I can say with absolute certainty this announcement will bring out the biggest PA state legal battle between political activists, lawfare, media, Big Tech and local government. Quite simply the Philadelphia area cannot allow a forensic audit because the action they took is easy to uncover.
Pennsylvania State Senator, Chairman of the PA Intergovernmental Operations Committee, Doug Mastriano has announced the intent of the legislative committee to conduct a forensic audit of three counties. Two Republican-controlled counties, Tioga and York counties, confirmed receiving letters Wednesday, as did the Democratic bastion of Philadelphia, the state’s largest and most politically corrupt city; the epicenter of PA corruption.
Within the announcement Mastriano stated “There is nothing to fear if there is nothing to hide. Those who have concerns about the integrity of the 2020 and 2021 election will have those concerns investigated and hopefully addressed. Those who think that there was zero voter fraud, no irregularities, and that the elections were conducted perfectly will have the chance to be vindicated.” This epic legal battle is going to be far uglier than Maricopa County (AZ), Antrim County (MI) or Fulton County (GA).
State Senator Doug Mastriano – “A forensic investigation of our election results and processes for the 2020 General Election and the 2021 Primary will go a long way to restore trust in our system. Voting is the fundamental right of all citizens. We should continually look for ways to improve the voting process to ensure every voice is heard.
Today, as Chair of the Intergovernmental Operations Committee, I issued letters to several counties requesting information and materials needed to conduct a forensic investigation of the 2020 General Election and the 2021 Primary.
We have asked these counties to respond by July 31st with a plan to comply. The counties represent different geographical regions of Pennsylvania and differing political makeups. Some are Republican while others are Democrat, which means that this will be a balanced investigation.
The Intergovernmental Operations Committee is a standing committee of the Pennsylvania State Senate with oversight and investigatory responsibilities regarding activities relating to or conducted between two or more governments or levels of government, including the administration of elections across the Commonwealth. As set forth in Pennsylvania Senate Rule 14 (d), each standing committee is empowered with the authority to inspect and investigate the books, records, papers, documents, data, operation, and physical plant of any public agency in this Commonwealth, including county boards of elections.
This is necessary as millions of Pennsylvanians have serious doubts about the accuracy of the 2020 General Election. A January poll from Muhlenberg University showed that 40% of Pennsylvania voters are not confident that the results of the 2020 Election accurately reflected how Pennsylvanians voted. Discounting or mocking their concerns is neither an answer nor proper in this constitutional republic.
During debate on election reform a couple weeks ago, some of my colleagues regrettably dismissed these poll numbers as an inconvenient truth and went on to assert that the only reason there is distrust in our election process was because of the “conspiracy theories and lies” from those they disagree with politically. This sort of ad hominen attack does nothing to address the concerns of millions of voters.
The case for a forensic investigation of the 2020 general election is evident to any unbiased observer.
This was the first election in Pennsylvania with “mass” mail-in voting. In 2020, there were 2.7 million ballots cast by mail and absentee compared to about 263,000 absentee ballots cast in 2016. Many of these ballots were counted at offsite locations with little outside observation or oversight. Furthermore, mail ballots without signature verification were permitted to be counted across the Commonwealth. And, of course, all of this transpired in the midst of Covid-19 where uncertainty and fear impacted the conduct of the election.
Additionally, in the weeks leading up to the election, the Department of State repeatedly altered the manner in which Pennsylvania’s election was conducted. Those who voted in person were held to a higher standard than those who mailed in their ballots. Signatures required for mail-in ballots were rendered meaningless as the PA Supreme Court ruled that ballots could not be rejected based on an analysis of the voter’s signature.
On September 17th, the PA Supreme Court ruled that counties had to count ballots received up to three days after Election Day. A week before the election, the Department of State told the U.S. Supreme Court that ballots received after 8 p.m. on November 3rd would be segregated. But the department changed the rules two days before the election and directed counties to canvass those ballots upon receipt. The U.S. Supreme Court had to step in and order the counties to segregate the ballots.
Just hours before the polls opened on November 3, the department changed the rules again by providing late guidance on how to help voters whose mail-in or absentee ballots were incorrectly completed. The “guidance” resulted in inconsistent application across the Commonwealth. Some counties contacted voters as directed while others did not. There was no basis for that guidance in current or case law.
It would defy logic to assume that an election with the kinds of drastic changes we saw in 2020 was run perfectly with zero errors or fraud.
Governor Wolf and the Secretary of State refused to conduct any type of thorough investigation despite the concerns of millions of our citizens in the aftermath of the election and hundreds of affidavits alleging firsthand fraud, irregularities, and illegal behavior witnessed at polling places. (read more)
What’s the end game of the audits–assuming they’re permitted to continue? The other side knows they cheated, and they know we know. They’re OK with it. Are you expecting the other side to feel ashamed and then join us?Our side already overwhelmingly chose Trump again in 2020. We don’t get to control the Establishment again simply because we demonstrate they cheated(i.e. none of the institutions like SCOTUS will care.)
Do we use physical force to impose our will? With what army?
Do the red and blue states break apart and form two separate nations?
Will this be the start of our second civil war?
My guess is we do nothing that rocks the boat. “Commissions” will look into election integrity.
In my opinion, the only way is to have the media talking about it all day, exposing the fraud and the people involved all day every day.
For example; Imagine if the MSM was shaming Bill Barr for pretending to be outraged over mail in ballot fraud one day and then after the election say there was no fraud?
Imagine if the MSM was highlighting Mitch McConnells role as a Uniparty backstabbing traitor every day?
After Bill Clinton’s impeachment and subsequent agreement with the Senate to drop the case he realized how powerful the press is. This power must be controlled to continue to get away with criminal activities as just controlling the DOJ is not enough.
Clinton got together with George Soros and created Media Matters and put a drug addict in charge who would follow instructions. MM has been responsible for much of the lies, projections, and slanders which so many of the press read in unison every day.
That imagining is fiction.
They do it to us everyday because they control the media.
During the Clinton admin We the People were still listening to the Media. I bought my first Computer during the Clinton Admin. I remember the old Clinton Crimes Facebook blog. Now the media may be a tidal wave of noise but it has not got the influence it had. I learned very early you listen to the media and then know the truth is the opposite of what they say.
Imagine if the 30% of our population who only listen to MSM, stopped.
Spoken like a troll who is terrified the truth be told regardless of where it goes…. there is the elite and there’s the little guy. Telling and exposing truth is noble in and of itself.
What a maroon.
What’s up doc?
he’s a shade of deep red??
Why attack someone who is being perfectly civil?
While I don’t agree with the reasoning behind his comment I find your comment offensive.
Well now, I wouldn’t be so hasty to jump on AJ’s case, because the odds are he/she is spot-on in spite of Whatevs ‘Eddie Haskell’ subtlety. What are the chances someone would ask such a perfectly civil question, and then proceed to touch upon every one of the talking points, without missing a step?
Give up, the Republic is too far gone. Demoralize- Check
Bait 1, lash out in anger. Insurrection- Check
Bait 2, start another Civil War. CW2- Check
Bait 3, take up arms with intent to overthrow the Gov. 2A – Check
Bait 4, separate red and blue states- secede from the Union- Check
Lincoln said, if he could preserve the Union without freeing a single slave, he would do it. If the Red states think the globalists are just going to let them go their merry way and live in peace, they haven’t been paying attention. They have made it abundantly clear that there nothing they won’t enjoy doing. to bring about their New World Order.
AJ is right, and Mastriano’s statement couldn’t have been any clearer. so the odds of Whatevs innocently trying to understand the forensic audits, appear to be mathematically impossible.
PS. I don’t know how I managed to flag my own post, but I stand by my assessment and have no desire to have my post removed.
Good analysis and description! Don’t know, however, if Whatevs is really on the Soros team, or just ‘naive!’
I say this because, although he frames the matter as either X or Y, there would, in reality, be many intermediate steps along the path of verifying 2020 election results that could produce very positive results without such dangerous and extreme action as he cites. But suspicious cat is always on the case of any funny business here at CTH. Hope he is well paid and well fed!!
Calm down, sparky. A modicum of skepticism is warranted.
Nobody who hangs out here are fazed by the lack of action from our public officials, but why would you shit on these audits? Talk about misplaced skepticism. The results will spur a new litmus test. All GOPers beware, cause its gonna be ugly for you.
Well, the world is still uncertain or denying that there was fraud.
The more they try to stop the audits, the more the world becomes aware of the fraud. What’s to fear from a genuine audit if you didn’t cheat?
Some of the people I (used to?) respect the most say there couldn’t have been fraud – Jordan Peterson for instance.
Now perhaps that’s because he was basically ‘non compos mentis’ during pretty much the whole of 2020 because of his weird illness, but if their are enough audits leading to incontrovertible proof, then he and many other important voices will be forced to join the party.
Lots of people were ‘non compos mentis’ because they just did not want to LOOK.
So there’s that. For just ONE thing.
THIS>>>>”What’s to fear from a genuine audit if you didn’t cheat?” needs to be our constant refrain and mantra. Drum it in ceaselessly. Remember that the left used/uses the same refrain in regard to Trump’s taxes—“what’s to fear, if he’s not hiding anything?” Revealing tax data is not a requirement of any President, but election law is….well…LAW, and so this refrain should be pummeled into the mind of the public.
Yeah, it’s hard to say. The most important thing is to know the truth, there is no foundation without it. That goes for both sides – if the truth is they didn’t win, the foundation beneath them has crumbled. They have control of the levers of power, but there will not be a foundation beneath them. What does it matter? I believe it matters but we don’t know in what ways that might play out and there may be outside collaborators as well, or at least the interests of some foreign countries will be impacted.
If fraud is shown to be the reason for Biden victories in several states, in theory, I believe a Writ of Quo Warranto could be pursued to basically nullify the results of the election for those that were incorrectly awarded their positions. That basically asserts that they are in a position that they were not elected to, and so they are immediately removed. The implications of this are hard to fathom, and courts don’t like to make moves that have big implications, so although this would be the correct move, it may not be actually possible.
Outside of the above, I hear in some states, people are possibly moving to convene grand juries without involvement from the DA and to start prosecuting people involved in fraud. This won’t help remove a president or vice president, as they would need to be impeached and removed first I think.
It’s possible that a number of Congresspersons were not lawfully elected to their seats. I think they can be removed, and potentially the makeup of Congress could be changed in a way that could help. Also, note that in this case, some of the Senators that voted to certify the electors on Jan 6 were not lawfully holding a seat in Congress – is their certification valid then?
Whenever you’re feeling like hope is short, just drop a note to your state legislators demanding a full forensic audit. Send it to Republicans, Democrats, everyone so they all get the message that the “Big Lie” narrative is totally busted. They all thought after the Biden installation, eventually people would move on and the pressure would ease. Don’t let it ease, ramp it up. Tell your friends to ramp it up. Populist Revolt has quick links to your state legislators to make it very easy.
https://populistrevolt.com
Thank you!
And when the truth finally comes out about the election, all those that lied to conceal it, deny it, argue that fraud never happened or just say No….they need to be treated as to what they are….. “GUILTY OF TREASON”.
We all know what happened.
Nothing else will suffice in my book.
The Left love to lie about reformation by burning down our cities, tearing down our statues, destroying Federal property and assaulting and KILLING Trump supporters including ASHLEY BABBITT! But it is they that do it and the lying PRAVDA keep lockstep with their every move.
YES, SAY HER NAME ASHLEY BABBITT, ASHLEY BABBITT,ASHLEY BABBITT,ASHLEY BABBITT ASHLEY BABBITT!
THE SCUM OF DC KILLED A WHITE UNARMED WOMAN IN COLD BLOOD. SHE HAD NO WEAPON AND THE ONLY FUKING CHARGE THEY COULD HAVE USED WAS “trespassing”.
WHO SHOT ASHLEY BABBITT? said our REAL PRESIDENT?
Where’s our so-called Congress? Ask the Commie bastard Mitch the Bitch McTurtle.
May he suffer more pain here on our earthly plane than even HELL can induce.
Good stuff. However, regarding the need for impeachment, would that apply in this case? If it’s proven they didn’t win the election then Biden and Harris aren’t actually even president and VP to begin with are they?
Correct! Although do-over elections and/or removals from office are rare, they have occurred. Some have even been cited by commenters here at CTH (one such case in PA, in particular, was cited by Doug Mastriano during the initial PA Senate hearings in which one state senator was apparently replaced by the actual winner ).
Your comment about impeachments is absolutely correct, i.e. if election officials were derelict or criminally liable, the candidate is not, ipso facto, considered complicit. The same also applies to legal jeopardy. Whoever has fingerprints all over any evidence of fraud will have to answer. Everyone else will simply play stupid, and Biden, as usual, will just stammer out his angry denials about any involvement.
If a laptop full of incriminating evidence isn’t enough to interest authorities, what might other (albeit convincing) evidence of fraud elicit from from the monsters in power? My guess is nothing, and Biden will walk, no matter what.
Re a removal from office of His Slowness, the President, there has been so much throughout our history that merely bears only the imprimatur of judicial decisions and rulings. In our constitutional framework, that is sufficient regarding any remedy in the event fraud can be proven to the point that the current occupant would be replaced by the actual winner.
My guess is that a judicial ruling might mandate another presidential election (other officeholders and losing candidates would need to sue separately), at the conclusion of which all normal constitutional requirements (electoral college vote etc) would simply follow afterward, with all details concerning timelines etc to be determined judicially, but guided by the Constitution (we hope!).
I really don’t believe that our framework needs to declare a constitutional stalemate when so often judicial fiat has been the prime determinant of so many other constitutional imperatives. Therefore, all subsequent action would be carried out by the executive branch pursuant to specific court orders, with fine detail also determined by the court, or possibly left to the legislature to determine if so ordered by the Court.
In conclusion, the much repeated canard about ‘there being nothing to do at this stage’ is pure nonsense. But we’re in the Age of Nonsense, and many courts have also proven to be Courts of Nonsense, which is very fitting for our tragic era.
We stand and fight or the Republic is no longer.
Strongly-worded letters
This is not the way forward.
This is a distraction.
Election law needs to be changed (duh!)
Deconstructing the election fraud of 2020 is proving that the sky is blue.
The GOP-led PA legislature passed an election reform law, which DEM Gov Wolf -just today – promptly VETOED.
Sarcasm
Why does election law need to change when the idea of a stolen election is a hoax? The whole GOP does not believe the sky is blue…. did you get the memo?
Dems will deny as long as possible, then admit they cheated (but not enough to change anything), then they will blame a few sacrificial bad apples (who will get a slap on the wrist and be allowed to continue cheating in all elections thereafter).
And of course they will blame GOP for not passing HR1.
You are wrong.
Public opinion matters.
It matters greatly.
The public armed with evidence of fraud, is much much harder to manipulate, via a bought and paid for Globalist “media”.
A truthfully informed citizenry, is an army.
An army of information war fighters.
This. A government and the laws that it imposes are only as legitimate as the citizenry accepts them as legitimate. Should the audits show the massive fraud obvious to many from the start, the federal government will lose all credibility and the media will be unable to assist.
A constitutional crisis is about to unfold. I am of the same belief as Sundance, the coming civil war will be through extreme federalism. It will also lead to quite the economic disaster.
The seriousness will also create a national security risk as countries around the world will also not recognize a functional US government.
Tough times are ahead but it may be the only way to cleanse us of the cancerous corruption destroying this exceptional nation.
Well said! Bravo!
The traditional middle class must organize and fight back. Not physically in the streets but economically. Selective use of boycotts to bring financial pressure to bear on big (leftist run) corporations. Without that, it’s just griping that will be ignored.
Expose the fraud.
Overturn the election results by voting to nullify (like a judge overturning an election) the “certified” electors.
Delegitimize Biden.
Pass legislation (does not require Governor or PA Supreme Court approval) that specifically targets how the fraud was carried out … in all states, not just PA.
Forensic audits in WI, GA, VA, and dozens of Red states where votes were likely also shifted to Biden.
Win 70+ seats in the Senate, win the House, appoint Trump as Speaker of the House, impeach and remove Biden, Trump becomes President.
But it all has to start with the Public gaining full awareness of the fraud. It has to be that.
I understand and share some of that opinion however, if what we know to be true is proven in Arizona, Georgia and Pennsylvania right out in front of us all there will be no hiding of those facts no matter how hard Big Tech and the propaganda-wing of the Democratic Party tries. At a minimum it will totally undermine Biden or Harris’s ability to function. SCOTUS will also be rendered useless as they will not be able to punt either especially once it is also disclosed via the forensic analysis of the “Packets” of documented movement of millions of votes from Trump to Biden.
Most people only look at the top of the ticket – Trump vs. Biden however, many other races were also affected. In the Senate alone 1 seat in Arizona, 2 others in Georgia and more than likely 1 in Michigan overturning the Senate as well. Same situation with the House of Representatives – you can bet with millions of votes being moved – not counting the fraud that will be uncovered by the audits Republicans would have a majority there as well.
Yes, there will be huge political turmoil – as there should be if we are more than likely than not to be proven – Correct and if so, it will be the Democratic Party that is shown to be the REAL insurrectionists not only through foreign interference but also massive fraud! I SAY BRING IT ON! We must fight this fight if we are to hand our children and grand children true LIBERTY that so many others have fought and died for.
Can a non-elected President, and Senators govern the country? I think not. Every other office would also come into question. IMO, that would nullify the US government entirely, or at least any trust in it.
Answres:
Yes
No army needed
No
Yes
The endgame is threefold, assuming the audits don’t confirm the election result, which would be it’s own comfort even if it portends ill about the American electorate. Should the audits show his victories in AZ, GA, or PA to be illegitimate:
1.)Strip Joe Biden and his party of any pretense of legitimacy. They are, and will remain, usurpers.
2.)Force the GOP’s hand. “Choose you, this day, whom you will serve.” Enough with failure theater. Best way to deal with the big enemy in Washington is to first destroy the little enemy who pretends to be your friend. We cannot keep voting for these people and expecting anything other than Boehner-Ryan style sellouts.
3.) Use this information as the basis for election security reforms such as voter ID, banning ballot harvesting, tightening chain of custody requirements, limiting the vote to a single day, and limiting mail voting to individually-requested absentee ballot with signature witness and address verification. Among other things.
Trump will not, I believe, be “reinstalled” as president under any circumstances unless it’s by the voters in 2024.
I fear that you are correct. The MSM will look the other way, or publish a lie that invalidates the audit. No one will actually DO anything. Sad, but that is the world we are living in.
End game is people like myself can feel like my vote is being counted and not canceled by a machine or ‘extra’ ballot copied by the opposite party. End game is the 2022 election to decimate the HOUSE and SENATE of Democrats that were NOT elected. End game is sending all this to the Supreme Court and watching them try to wiggle out of giving those folks, including the true POTUS their day in court and owning up to the fact the 2020 election was a sham. No one can find a precedent set where a recount found wrong for the actual winner did not ultimately put the real winner in office.
Arizona led the way. There is a path. The 22 states that came to see our audit, left impressed and inspired. Now gang way!
Braveheart ~ William Wallace ~ YouTube
President Donald J. Trump: “Our Best Days Are Yet to Come” ~ YouTube
OK. Let’s put it as an analogy just so you can appreciate the Constitutional crisis that will arise once the massive voter fraud is proven, and it is certified that President Trump Won. When you steal a car and get caught, does the justice system allow you to keep the car? When you perpetrate a brilliant diamond/art heist, but get caught are you allowed to keep your haul? When Madoff embezzled millions and got caught was he allowed to keep the money? When you take something that is not rightfully yours, such as Biden/Kamala taking the WH are they entitled to keep it? When other politicians recently were proven to have cheated [or at least not won] they have been removed and the rightful winner installed. Has not happened in the Presidency but we are here and it will have to be adjudicated by any appropriate means. A fraud in the WH cannot stand or we don’t have a country. There are provisions in the U.S. Constitution such as the 14thA that will allow for it. There is the military that could step in as a bridge until the rightful President assumes power, there is Congress, and there is SCOTUS. But one way or another it will get rectified. Why? Because “We The People” will DEMAND it. And it is We The People who get to decide the presidency in our Constitutional Republic-and no one else.
There’s precedent to de-certify election results for down ticket ballots specifically the Senate. This is important for AZ, GA, and MI. We hold the senate. With regards to the Presidency there is no precedent, but there is nothing in the constitution that states you can’t reinstate once the correct count proves the other guy won. The more we ground and pound, the more we bypass msm and the more normal citizens realize what happened. That means 2022 and 2024 is a landslide.
Audits are our first step and I certainly HOPE they are allowed to continue. A fight from the local level is all we have left. If WE (the people) do not stand up and say “enough is enough” the powers that be will just continue on. Not Trump nor Superman nor anyone else is just going put it all right. It is important to demonstrate that we know what is going on.
Not sure what the answer is, but time is running out. Any kind of fight is better than nothing. It may escalate to something that we despise, but the only other option is slavery. Time to accept reality.
Justice will prevail, no thanks to ANY sitting justices!
Allegheny County (Pittsburgh) is a must audit! Allegheny County is as corrupt as Philadelphia County! Both Counties are run totally by Democrats!
I like the approach, the corruption likely to be exposed in Philadelphia will provide more motivation to do the rest – but I like the “red” counties being looked at as well. We’ve seen in MI and NH that there is lots of vote-shaving in red areas where it’s harder to notice. So in those areas, maybe Trump won 68% of the vote, but they shave or swap some so that he still wins but only by 62%. People don’t really notice that but across the whole state it adds up and reduces the effort required to steal the big cities.
Yes absolutely the red counties. However, the blue counties may also have voted for PDJT’S.
Not all Democrats are stark raving mad. A full forensic audit could be very enlightening.
Especially when the general population finds out that most politicians are the same coin, only a different side.
I’m betting that Philadelphia finds some way to refuse to cooperate with a forensic audit, and finds judges who back them up.
How can we support this brave man? I guess letters are a good start…
https://populistrevolt.com has quick links to write the letters/e-mails. I know I post this a lot but I want to maximize the actions people take. The politicians thought it would all blow over but the opposite seems to be happening. Ramp it up!
I sent him a “Thank you”note earlier. I hope he gets it. ??
The group Audit the Vote PA has been instrumental in applying pressure, collecting signatures on an audit petition, and generally rallying people to contact their representatives and demand action. They made it clear this issue wasn’t going to be swept under the rug, and I believe that pressure has kept things slowly moving forward.
The legal battle will rival the Battle of Helms’s Deep and the judicial branch will tie themselves in knots with bizarre interpretations of the law to avoid the repercussions of the truth.
Quite a day between this audit news and President Trump’s lawsuit announcement.
Even Inspector Clouseau could find Fraud in Philly
The audits will expose the truth. But will justice prevail? The corruptocrats have been acting with near impunity for so long that I fear they will run out the clock and get away with it. Nothing happened of any significance in regards to the Russia collusion hoax which was completely set up by our own government agencies with foreign help. Even the FISA court was corrupt by their inaction to punish the people involved. The media, big tech, multi nationals were all in to destroy Trump. Something big is going to happen and we the people aren’t going to come out on top.
The dems sent over 100 lawyers here to AZ to try to stop our audit.
The biggest obstacle in PA as oposed to AZ is corrupt courts including the PA Supreme Court.
I also wonder why Pittsburgh is not on the list.
The courts in Pa are incessant with family members, union dogs, bully politicians and thugs.
I salute any one that holds this corrupt state to the fire.
https://yorkdems.org/
AND, there’s EVEN MORE WINNING today! A federal judge told the DIMs to go pound sand on their fight against the new GA election laws.
That may also portend well for the fight against MLB for moving the All Star Game out of GA.
Mastriano is on OAN now.
Wisconsin patriots needed.
Pressure needed for a forensic audit.
From Seth Keshel’s Telegram:
Seth Keshel
Highly frustrating that there is so little energy in Wisconsin to audit what was a 100,000+ vote Trump state.
IMO, if anyone has the relationships in St. Croix County, we can easily prove extensive cheating. Probably the lowest hanging fruit of them all.
Most of the judges in PA courts are Democrats appointed by Democrats. The State Supreme Court is majority Democrat and is openly partisan and woke. All the decisions will go against the Republicans. Don’t expect much.
“Don’t expect much?”
Says you.
Another GRRRRRREAT MAGA day!
Arizona has been standing out as the LEADER of the forensic audits…. and doing a great job ………
But today, Pennsylvania has just become the FIRST FOLLOWER!!!!!!!
“Pennsylvania State Senator, Chairman of the PA Intergovernmental Operations Committee, Doug Mastriano has announced the intent of the legislative committee to conduct a forensic audit of three counties.”
It is the coup plotters worst nightmare …… the commie, demo, GOPe, globalist, media coup-ies are facing the fact that there are more of us than there are of them.
The MAGAers have the numerical, economic, moral, intellect and armed majorities.
If you are MAGA, you will be on the winning side……if you are not MAGA, sorry coup-ie.
Yep. I don’t think PA does this unless they think or know that AZ found something important. It’s not worth the political capital to pursue a meaningless audit if the AZ audit is a dry well.
It’s also noteworthy that blue states like Colorado, having toured the AZ audit, have issued proclamations saying they will not allow forensic audits in their states.
JMO, the Colorado politicians who toured the Arizona audit were very impressed and supportive….. the proclamation issuer was a different guy….. so the jury is still out ….
Just a reminder, many of the blue politicians were elected with crooked votes in 2020, so they won’t be thrilled with doing an audit that will kick them out of office….. crooks are not known for turning themselves in.
Colorado Secretary of State (Democrat) issued the statement/order. Must have been a GOP delegation that toured.
In any case, CO could not withstand an audit of the mail in voting. We get 3-4 ballots sent to our house…me, wife, two kids over 18 with addresses in the state.
I could easily fill them all out and turn in and nobody would know. That sort of thing is probably commonplace.
The AZ audit is a force of such magnitude that is will fill up a thousand dry wells.
Jenna Ellis, is that you?
Let’s hope you’re right!
They just got PA voters to strip Wolf of his COVID emergency powers. They could take the same approach with PA Courts by having the voters order the courts to step aside and allow the audit.
Also, as bureaucratic as PA is, I wouldn’t be surprised if the PA Senate has full authority to order audits if those audits are in support of pending legislation. The courts have no jurisdiction over what legislation the PA Legislature can consider, or the information they require to evaluate election reform legislation.
Pure separation of powers issue.
Hokkoda,
Very good points.
Awesome, keep it coming. Force Lawfare to spread themselves thinner than eye shadow on an Amish girl.
lol
This is smart strategy, and very much what I’ve been saying. Auditing Philly goes without question. But, they need to audit “red” counties too, because it is good optics AND there is a lot of suspicion that vote margins in red counties were screwed with too. Not just vote printing for Biden in blue areas, but reducing Trump’s margin of victory in red areas.
I’d bet that this is why Colorado is trying to ban audits. It’s not just that they’re rigging the vote in Denver. They’re likely reducing vote margins in deep-red counties like El Paso and Douglas counties. There’s no way Trump went from 20-points to 10-points in EPC. I think they are trying to steal elections by letting Repubs “win” by 10% instead of 15% and shifting votes elsewhere.
Who’s gonna question/challenge a 10-15 point win? Nobody. It’s long been a strategy to increase your votes where you’re strong and depress turnout where your opponent is strong.
I think mail in voting and electronic voting allows them to achieve that end.
Hokkoda,
Again, very good points ………
Feel like Snoopy tonight. Its a dark and stormy night here in PA. Of course I am thrilled that Senator Doug Mastriano has started this audit. I subscribed to his newsletter today.
But there is much pain coming for all who live here., and anyone else on the planet who likes to watch.
Mostly the exposure of the poisonous snakes who “rule” PA. Someone wrote a comment, why not Pittsburgh? I say it is because Philly is a cesspool. They have crafted the “art” of the underground. Go see the movie Spotlight. Or the movie Philadelphia (I think its called). Pittsburgh, in my opine is just a novice at treachery.
There is a deep darkness to Philly. They have a great sandwich named after the city though, ” Philly Steak and Cheese.”
I am actually kind of frightened to see how this will all unwind. But I am very grateful that I have the hunters, fishermen, and the Amish between me and Philly.
Bruce Springsteen
Philadelphia
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Oops. Spotlight was the Boston Globe.
I was impressed with Mastriano when he worked with Guiliani to do a hearing with other PA legislators about the election fraud. He has been sounding the alarm about it for some time. This article was an interesting read — seems he is considering running for governor of PA, and is pro-Trump MAGA.
https://www.mcall.com/news/pennsylvania/mc-nws-pa-mastriano-giuliani-20210514-bhnhg3odrngv3cilr3xq2oxnmy-story.html
Thanks for the article linderella. The typewriters and social media are painting Mastriano with a broad, black Sharpie pen. He has no right to exist I guess, even though he was elected to the office he holds.
Lions and eagles, or sheep and mice.
We will soon see which the MAGA movement chooses to be when the Junta shows its fangs, as it must.
It is disturbing enough that accepting The Big Lie is even an option.
I guess the reason why the Republican counties of Tioga and York were included here is that they will willingly comply with the request, which will make Philly look suspect when they refuse to comply.
But I wish the collar counties around Philly were included in this too. Lots of cheating went on in Montgomery county and Deleware county too.
My biggest question is… So?
What’s going to happen?
The Left will not give up their stolen booty
The GOP does not have enough testicular fortitude to challenge it
The US Supreme Court has already said there is “no standing” to challenge the steal
There is not enough political clout to pass Legislation in enough States to ensure it doesn’t happen again
No, I am not a pessimist…don’t confuse it with being a realist
If ANYTHING at all is to be done about the Stolen Election, it is up to WE THE PEOPLE to do it
“it is up to WE THE PEOPLE to do it”
Great…… contact your state senator and congressman and demand YOUR state do a forensic audit on the 2020 fraudulent election, IN 2021.
In the short term, we have to assert our legitimate rights at the State and local levels. If we won the elections, we are the majority and should start acting like the majority, not an accepting abused spouse. People who have ensconced themselves in positions of of power by fraud should be removed by their constituencies. By whatever means are most practicable.
The most fundamental purpose and function of the government is to carry out the will of the majority while respecting the rights of the minority.
On a longer horizon, , we need to halt the failed experiment of long Senate and Congressional terms. Six year Senate terms and two year House terms are a radical design feature inserted into the Constitution of 1787. Some delegates wanted longer or even lifetime appointments which would guarantee the ascendancy of a new Aristocracy. No business owner can be away for that long and go back to resume it after such a long time.
Annual elections were the standard ever since the 1628 founding of the Massachusetts Bay Colony, and are rightly termed the Palladium of our Liberties and mitigate the harm of of fraudulent elections.
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Here’s what John Adams wrote about Annual Elections. We don’t need to re-invent the wheel.:
III. Thoughts on Government, April 1776
In the present exigency of American affairs, when by an act of Parliament we are put out of the royal protection, and consequently discharged from our allegiance; and it has become necessary to assume government for our immediate security, the Governor, Lieutenant-Governor, Secretary, Treasurer, Commissary, Attorney-General, should be chosen by joint Ballot, of both Houses. And these and all other elections, especially of Representatives, and Councillors, should be annual, there not being in the whole circle of the sciences, a maxim more infallible than this, “Where annual elections end, there slavery begins.”
These great men, in this respect, should be, once a year
“Like bubbles on the sea of matter borne, They rise, they break, and to that sea return.”
This will teach them the great political virtues of humility, patience, and moderation, without which every man in power becomes a ravenous beast of prey.
https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Adams/06-04-02-0026-0004
Unfortunately, they’ll just drag this out for as long as they can, so in the end nothing will come of it.
“nothing will come of it.”
Says you.
JMO, it is the coup plotters worst nightmare …… the commie, demo, GOPe, globalist, media coup-ies are shivering in fear in their little muddy silos in the swamp at the thought that Pennsylvania has joined Arizona in a forensic audit.
“Election Process”.
One would assume audits would be mandatory.
For the benefit of the State where one alleged faulty jurisdiction could not override other legally submitted jurisdictions.
For the benefit of other States in Federal elections where key States effect national elections.
And on a very simple level, one illegal vote cancels a legal vote.
And yet our SC has “standing” issues…..
“And yet our SC has “standing” issues”
We have bribery and blackmail “issues” with the not-so-supreme-court.
Agree. Not impressed. Supreme Court is to Court as Taco Supreme is to Taco.
Prior to the election, many pollsters would state publicly, Trump would need to be beat Biden by 10% in Pennsylvania to make up for the shenanigans in Philadelphia.
So it’s not just a 2020 mail in voter issue.
There is a history going back to Obama’s first victory.
Shredders & incinerators go ‘Brrrrrr’ and keyboards into console ports go ‘clickety-clack’.
Seriously, what steps are taken to insure that what any audit team is getting is what they should be getting?
Physical custody of ballots & connected topology is paramount.
“Shredders & incinerators go ‘Brrrrrr’ and keyboards into console ports go ‘clickety-clack’”
Yup, and if something disappears, that leaves a hole… forensic audits find holes too……recounts don’t..
In fact, people covering things up normally leave more evidence than before they did it…..
AND, they have committed another crime in doing so……..
We need more lumber and rope.
This is a great shot across the bow of the democrat machine in PA, my home state for 50+ years. Cheating in Philly is legendary, everyone knows that. Choosing Tioga and York counties as the Republican examples is confusing to me. In my mind, Allegheny County (Pittsburgh area) would be the best place to conduct the audit. Enough votes would be found there to overturn the PA results. The Philly machine will be pushing back against this Senator Mastriano, surely you must know that. We are in our 3rd month in Maricopa County’s audit and it is still underway. Philly will take 2 or 3 times longer as it has never been a Republican controlled city/county.
Sundance is correct. This is an existential threat to Dem power in PA — they cannot win statewide elections without Philadelphia cheating. Every Dem weapon, every dirty trick, every resource of DoJ, FBI, NSA, and corrupt State and local LE and judges will be coming at Doug Mastriano. He is a courageous man.
This is shock everyone…the truth is out!
https://www.auditthevotepa.com/
I remember some elections in Philadelphia where there were ZERO republican votes, which is statistically impossible.
Audits should be sold as a benefit to taxpayers, because they are! They will find discrepancies that can be fixed to improve the process and lower the cost to taxpayers. Finding things that cause lawsuits will benefit taxpayers by saving money on legal fees. Finding problems with elections will allow new methods and processes to be implemented that will allow elections departments to need less people, again saving taxpayers money. If fraud is found, changes can be made to make sure that no one can swing elections one way or another. Without a true audit, none of these things are possible.
If audits could be shown to save money, time, and stress on taxpayers, why wouldn’t you do it? One election lawsuit can cost much more than any audit and cause uncertainty, anger, division, and lack of trust in government. Why wouldn’t you do a genuine audit if they are proven to be a benefit?
The Arizona senate agreed to pay $150,000 for the audit. Even if that were to double, one major lawsuit could easily cost more and if elections could be held with a handful less employees for a net savings, what reason is there to avoid saving those dollars?
Would you trust your bank if they refused to do audits? Would you go to a restaurant or health clinic that refused to do reviews of health and safety rules? Would you buy a car or home that has not been inspected to be sure everything works? What would an America be like without the final review of a Supreme Court on our laws? Would you feel safe flying in an airplane without safety checks and audits of maintenance?
If you answered no to any of these questions then you are in favor of genuine election audits. Sold!
Even putting aside the obvious fraud in this election and who coordinated to perpetrate it; it is a perfectly reasonable thing in our system that the opposing party seeks to hold the self-serving party accountable. A check to the party’s dominance is the other party having an interest in countering their “victories.” Only the truly deluded or partisan can pretend that the 2020 election made any sense at all. Of course it can be very valuable to go along with the oligarchy and correspondingly dangerous to oppose it. This is plain to see with the abuses heaped on opponents of the regime. As always, the hysterical and fascistic overreaction to even the simplest inquiries reveal the mendacity of the “winners.”
Send that feeble, mealy-mouthed squatter back to his basement. Better yet one of those Biden cages at the boarder.
Every thing the biden cheaters did should come to light with this audit! So. On with the show!!
Only when indictments are handed down, and people face consequences for the fraud will this prove to bare fruit. They must be held accountable, and if so, this will reverberate across the nation onto other states such as WI, MI, GA, and AZ.