Wyoming GOP representative Liz Cheney, a Decepticon of the highest tier, appears smugly on Fox News for an interview. As much as the interview itself is insufferable in its disconnect many people need to watch and accept.
Cheney ramps-up the attacks against President Trump and his supporters. Keep in mind that Trump holds more than 85% approval within the party, yet Cheney and the Decepticons just don’t care; they hate anyone who does not facilitate their power demand. They hate you.
They hate us.
Additionally, two-thirds of the republican house conference voted to keep Cheney in her position. There is no way to reconcile the disconnect between what the elected GOP are doing against the will of the majority unless you accept they just don’t care. Trumpet!
Chris Wallace, a gatekeeper for all things swamp, was gleeful to provide Cheney with the opportunity to attack Trump supporters. The interview is telling on many fronts, but how many republicans will finally accept their status? The GOP doesn’t care what you think about them… they are the second wing of the UniParty vulture.
Stop being a battered conservative and start accepting that two-thirds of the republican party do not want you in the room. Remind yourself of this example when the insufferable apologists try to tell you a third party is not needed. The republican party must be destroyed or we will continue the cycle of abuse.
Here’s the full interview:
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Bring on the battle…. The GOPe must be destroyed !
Trump starting a third party is exactly what I’m waiting for. I am absolutely done with the GOP.
Because of my contributions to support Presient Donald Trump, I have been inundated (50+ / day) with ‘surveys’, ‘memberships’, ‘gold cards’, ‘Are you with us?’ and other such rubbish from the RNC/GOP pleading for support, AKA, money. These always end up in the trash, but of late I have decided to send my thoughts and comments. In truth, these are probably ignored, but oh well.
Here is my ‘form’ response:
To Whom It May Concern,
Let me be clear –
If you want to keep and support Liz Cheney and her fellow RINO’s whom all voted to impeach President Trump, then please be advised that you will NEVER get a single dime from me ever again.
The only reason you have my email address is because I supported President Donald Trump. My money was NEVER meant to support the RNC or the slimy GOP/RINO’s – Romney, McConnell, Sasse, Collins, Murkowski et al, who slither around the DC swamp pretending to care about The United States of America, our revered Constitution or ‘the American people’ (their favorite term).
The reason this country is in such a mess is because of your absolute incompetence. That said, please take my ‘Membership status’ and stuff it.
What an absolute total disgrace you all are. Make no mistake: I will always stand with Donald John Trump.
Good riddance!
Liz may think she’s won this skirmish, but I suspect the Wyoming voters will have the last laugh. She had better start thinking about which lobbying firm or leftist organization she want to join post-Representative.
The way I see it, we have completely lost at the national level. We need to concentrate at the state and local level. On the national level, the mechanisms to get MAGA candidates on the ballot mean that RINOs dominate. Yes, we can and should support MAGA primary challengers where possible. But, we will initially only have limited success at the national level. On a local level, we have a much greater chance of successfully supporting MAGA candidates.
Here is how you go about starting a new political party in the US as per the FEC website. I urge everyone who is advocating this course of action to please read the requirements and see if you still think it is do-able in time for the 2022 elections that are already in progress. Not to mention that everyone is also working towards 2024 Presidential vote.
https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates-and-committees/registering-political-party/
F*kc these people. Let’s just get together and start our own new government.
Perhaps, in other words, can all 50 states secede from Washington DC?
Amen, brother Roscoe…
Isnt that what is happening?
Brilliant!
I love this idea!
DC long ago seceded from US in both senses of the term. They took blue states with them. We are what’s left.
If the Red states secede, Washington D.C. and the blue states will starve to death on their communism…
OTOH, too many vital shipping and military centers are located in blue states. People may want to think this through before jumping forward.
No need to hurry. “We’ll see what happens”, as Trump says. Let’s let events shape the approach. As long as we don’t support the R’s, we can wait on the rest.
I think we should stand aside for the 2022 election, much as we did in 2006, when Bush’s treachery led many of us to just say no, and Pelosi and Schumer took over Congress. She was gone 4 years later, when the Tea Party ousted her (although McConnell proceeded to squelch the Tea Party). There really is no reason to vote for a pure Uniparty candidate. And remember, it was the Blue Dog Democrats who blocked Bush’s amnesty bill, something none of the Uniparty types would have ever done. If Boehner was in charge, he’d have bullied that thing through, with McConnell’s help of course.
Good advice if you are a Dem. Are you?
Good advice if you reject the Uniparty, which you don’t apparently.
I do accept the uniparty exists.
I believe we must dismantle and separate it and restore the nation to an authentic 2-party system.
Technically if we create another party to COMPETE w/the R party, we will have created a 3 party system, merely spitting the power of Rs/Trump voters. We will leave the dangerous subversive DEM party in tact.
Why do you, personally, support giving unrestrained power exclusively to the Dem party?
Do you not believe it will destroy the Republic if given exclusive control of the US Govt and most/all state govts?
If you reject what I’ve said, please explain why and what/how YOU propose we save our country from a tyrannical DEM party?
You don’t seem to accept the existence of a Uniparty, because you keep making a distinction between parties. If you did accept it, you wouldn’t be making that distinction.
That distinction premises your argument, so we don’t have anything to argue.
You do know you’re writing in circles – chasing your own tale so to speak.
Perhaps you might explain your tale <sic>.
I believe that you have forgotten that if you start a new party,75 million new members will join.Most of them would be former:Republicans”That is what the DemocRATS do NOT want.They want you to remain in the Republican party, were they can control and manipulate you.Or perhaps you new that?…..
Unfortunately it will not be 75 million Trump voters shifting to a new party. Many only voted for Trump because he was better than Biden. Some would be happy with Mitt.
However there are people who never vote because they don’t think it will make a difference because the Uni-Party is so overwhelming. That is the ones to target in addition to Trump voters. Both combined would be more than the uni-party could compete against.
The problem is your numbers just don’t add up. When you split that 75 million – maybe just a fraction off the top while the Democratic Party doesn’t split at all. We loose they win in an historic landslide and they change the laws permanently. Divide and conquer!
Who is stating that the 75 million will be split. I am of the opinion that the 75 million will move en masse to a new party. With President Trump leading the movement, they will follow. This is how much faith I have in a great man. Those who remain in the current Republican Party will be few and far between.
This issue with Liz Cheney has cemented the determination of patriotic Americans to forge ahead with a rebranding of conservative values and the Constitutional Republic through the creation of a new party with members who ideologically are right of center.
This is not realistic.
75 million are not MAGA.
Whatever Pierre Delecto and Juan McCain got, they are Republicans who are staying no matter what. They will love Nimrata Randhawa.
60 million would stay. That leaves 15 million MAGA voters.
You are pulling numbers out of your…. hat.
There is no credible polling on record that could be used to predict the number or percentage of Republican voters who would join the new party.
Nor is there any polling that identifies the number or percentage of Democrat voters who voted for Trump in both or just in the 2020 election and would willingly change to the new party.
I ignore voters who voted Trump in 2016 but went blue in 2020. One must assume they became disillusioned with Trumps policies so are unlikely to follow him or his ideas to a third party.
If credible polling or analysis has been done on this topic, specifically post 2020 election fraud and its outcome, I’d be very interested in reading it.
We need a poll. Can we hire one and pool our resources to pay for it? Or could we get backing?
Well said and the truth of the matter. Starting the new party will not split the “Republican Party” – it will end it. The “Remainders” can go register Democrat and stop pretending.
Thanks to the spineless g.o.p., the dimocrats/commies just took over the “congress” and the presidency… They are changing the laws permanently…
Continuing to support the failed g.o.p. ain’t gonna fix the problem.
there is sanders faction in the dems party…they will leave party …
Kare508, I pose a question to you, and to all who make the arguments you do here, which are clearly heartfelt and thus shouldn’t be dismissed – how does supporting the national Republican party, as it’s currently constituted, NOT in effect support “dangerous subversive” elements? From where I sit, whether one votes Democrat or national Republican, the same swamp interests are advanced so I really don’t get the fear of a third party. Is it your position that enough Republicans will continue to be wedded to the way things are that the best a new party could achieve would be to divide the opposition to the statists? And do you minimize the appeal of Trump to working class Democrats and Independents who voted in large numbers for him in the last election?
The fear of what might happen will always be a brake against stepping off into the unknown, trusting that God is still in control. But isn’t that exactly the fear faced by our Founding Fathers? And would we be better off had they given in to that fear? If we can’t be bold now, when the globalists are willing to openly subvert a presidential election, and as they daily proceed to shred our Bill of Rights, what time, later, do you imagine will be more favorable? The hour is late for this country and maybe it’s already irredeemable. But we have to try.
But here you have assumed that we cannot take over the Repug Party over the next few years. If you don’t think we can do that, how do you think we will ever defeat the Democrap Party, who are a much larger group than the Uniparty Repugs?
You can’t take over the Republican Party.
This is not the first time this has been tried.
At most, 25 million of the 75 million Trump voters are MAGA voters. The rest are regular Republicans.
Heck, Pierre Delecto and Juan McCain each got 60 million. Those are not MAGA voters. W Bush got 62 million. Say 10 million of those are MAGA voters who held their nose.
Too many anti Democrats/anti MAGA people in the GOP to overcome them.
Nope, it’s just not true that only 25 million of Trump voters are MAGA voters.
Likely 65+ million are America First voters bc THAT is about being real, genuine patriots.
Our nation is hemorrhaging b/c Dems NEVER put America’s best interests FIRST. We should call the Dems the party of FOREIGN interests first. And, now we know for sure that most Rs have been betraying the nation … too.
McCain and Romney MERELY deceived R voters. We believed their lies like dems … still believe the lies of the Dem Party.
R voters only voted for those 2 schmucks–McCain & Romney because they DECEIVED us. BOTH would never have been R presidential candidates IF we had known the Truth about WHO they really are… and what they really believe.
They merely told us what they knew we needed to hear in order to get us to vote for them. They brought home enough “bacon” to get re-elected.
We did not realize they were selling-out America and the American people and our livelihoods… for their own personal profit.
I worked on both mens’ campaigns… and didn’t know the truth about them until I WITNESSES their shocking betrayal… not of Trump but of US, the American people.
They were supposed to put AMERICA’S best interest first when all along they disgracefully put their OWN interests b4 American. Both McCain & Romney betrayed … America and I am ashamed for both if them.
You are just not interested in reality or hard sciences Kare508.
Again, 60 MILLION PEOPLE VOTED FOR MCCAIN AND DELECTO!!! THESE ARE NOT ALL MAGA!!!
60 million is less than 65 million.
Also, who is this “we believed” McCain/Romney/Bush, etc? I voted for Buchanan. I wrote in Paul. I abstained.
The same of us never believed them.
Don’t lump us all in with you who were duped. Some of us have been reading Sobran, Buchanan, VDare, Lew Rockwell, antiwar.com, Chronicles, etc. since long before CTH. So we weren’t duped.
Only about ten million of the 60 million were duped. The rest are Republicans no matter what happens.
The fear of what “might” happen is not the issue. We already know what will happen. The Democratic candidate will win and change the rules of how anyone can vote – that is a fact. The Constitution means nothing to them and it’s right out there in front of all of us. Years ago, your plan may have worked but not under today’s significant movement by the Left within the Democratic Party. Sadly, it is already too late to do what you propose.
I do not oppose starting a 3rd party. I am just as disgusted and angry at the Rs as the rest of you.
A spokesman for PDT already said PT did not support a 3rd party but wanted to take control of the R party. IF he says later/soon that we have no choice but to create a 3rd party, I will follow Trump b/c I KNOW his primary goal is to save the republic. IF he thinks we can take over the R party, great. I am there too.
Mostly, I am playing devil’s advocate bc NOBODY here seems to be at all concerned about the elephant in the room– the extreme danger the fascist/marxist Dems pose to the country, especially if WE GIVE them unbridled control of both the federal & state govts.
Its ridiculous that… nobody seems to care… and NO ONE plots HOW we can…. destroy the DEM party just our own party… which is nuts… and it sometimes makes me wonder how many DEMS are posting comments here.
My question to you is HOW to you plan to destroy the DEM party that already has control of the exec and legislative branches of the US Govt… and they are destroying the US swiftly and its just been a few weeks.
It will have to be individual battles, EVERY R like Cheny must be defeated in the primary and EVERY Patriot like Gaetz, Jordan and many others supported.
No, it will have to be one collective battle, against the Uniparty.
You are with us or you are against us. Choose.
Taking on Liz Cheney’s sh*tty attitude is not the basis for a political movement. We need major policy differences with the Uniparty. Trump found one – the open southern border.
Many more big, motivating issues loom. Gun control, the destruction of the oil industry, Biden’s promised big tax increases. Many establishment types remain eager for war with Syria.
Even the appeal of Donald Trump will quickly fade. But bad policies inflicted by the Uniparty will create long-term fierce opposition.
It took the problem of slavery to birth the Republican Party. The Whigs couldn’t stir themselves to deal with even that.
Another policy difference looms, and will rear it’s ugly head in 12 to 18 months…..1.9 T in helicopter money and the eventual steamroller inflation….it will come. Furture GDP and production increases, let alone employment CANNOT support / offset 1.9 T in helicopter money….”Jimmy Carter” redux….JM Keynes lover the lot of them, high interest rates just around the bend.
This is the third party leader,
“Even the appeal of Donald Trump will quickly fade.”
Is that YOU, Mitch?
And that is different from the current status how?
They are already in control of the House, Senate, Executive branch and the major part of the Judiciary.
Again I ask…… if you are fearful that splitting the vote will turn control over to the Democrats…… I say WAKE UP!! They have already taken control WITH the GOPe helping them to do it.
It really is that simple. I’m with Sundance. MORE TRUMPETS
You don’t accept that the MAGA base is bringing in the old blue dog types and minorities who Smashed the Dems in the election.
So thoroughly did the MAGA BASE thrash the Dems they had to steal it at 4 in the morning.
A 3rd Party can win if the elections are fair.
The g.o.p. is dead… If we start a new Conservative party, it will be one of the parties in a 2 party system…
We reject the Uniparty candidate however, we also know that what is being proposed in order to defeat the GOP from the outside won’t work. You will end up ensuring in the next two elections the very thing “we all” fear the most and that is the complete takeover of the political system in the United States by the Democratic Socialists Party.
“If” as Sundance and those who support this suicide attempt believe we have a majority within the GOP then we “can” defeat the Uniparty candidate on the merits of our agenda. On the outside it would be Patriots Party 23%, GOP (Uniparty) 17% while the Democratic Candidate wins by a landslide with 46%.
I understand the sentiment but it won’t work – time and a countless number of elections has proven that.
You also fail to acknowledge the Uniparty, and still draw a distinction between these little letters of the alphabet, little D’s and R’s. And that is the only distinction to be dreawn here, those little letters. Sorry, but that lack of distinction means the entire construct has to go into the dumpster… all of them. They are as one.
They are your allies, and that’s fine. You can stick with your allies. But they are our enemies and will be treated accordingly, as you would treat any enemy.
We don’t have to wait for the next two elections ’cause the dims/commies have just completed a “complete takeover of the political system in the United States”…
With the commies in control of our elections, the next two (or more) elections will be a joke of the Nth degree of Magnitude…
Yet, you seem to think that the spineless g.o.p. is gonna fix the problem and save our butts…
So how much of the country do you want them to destroy railer and for how long? How much of your standard of living are you willing to lose? How much of your liberty are you willing to give up to prove to the American electorate the current crop of politicians from both parties are acting in their interests?
I think it’ll be quite evident by the end of the year, even to most dimwitted, that we cannot wait until 2024, much less 2022, to challenge these criminals.
The time is now! These people will always govern against the interests of the American people.
I say it’s far easier to move to, and shape, an existing party, than building one from the ground up. A party that is already listed on the ballot in all states. You need to hit a critical mass through accretion in the shortest amount of time by showing the masses that tens of millions of us have walked away from the Uniparty wings and join this new party. Build it and they will come.
[…] Our movement is about replacing a failed and corrupt political establishment with a new government controlled by you, the American People. There is nothing the political establishment will not do, and no lie they will not tell, to hold on to their prestige and power at your expense.
The Washington establishment, and the financial and media corporations that fund it, exists for only one reason: to protect and enrich itself. – Candidate Donald Trump October 13, 2016
It’s a Uniparty. You believe there’s something redeemable in it. I don’t. THERE IS NOTHING THERE. Everything you type is already here with it. The Uniparty has ensured so.
I think what railer’s advocating makes sense. This has less to do with the 2-party system or even a uniparty than it does with having been taken over by a hostile, globalist force. Anything premature will just get crushed, like we saw happen to us and DJT in recent months. They own the playing field, the refs, the scoreboard, and the stands right now, and we’re still outside without a viable plan to get in. Premature action would just be foolish and probably suicidal.
In fact, what Sundance is saying here is that we’re still so early in the process that the main thing that’s needed is cognitive, the acceptance of what’s happened and what it means. That has to happen before any kind of a plan can be drawn up.
The handwriting was on the wall during President Trump’s walk down the escalator, then his 4 years in office; then, the straw that broke the camel’s back – massive voter fraud to overturn an election that few said or did anything about.
Good article again Sundance. Thank you.
Battered wife is correct.Time for the America First Voters to Walk Away from the abusive GOPe. They hate America, our Constitution, conservatives and We the People.
But I would rather name our new party the Constitutional Republic party like our founders intended that our form of government be and not a democracy.
Yes, it is… but the way to overcome “battered wife syndrome” is to file a complaint against the batterer and see him prosecuted and hopefully incarcerated, removed from the power to harm you again, right?
Let’s… force the Rinos/R establishment to accept the R party BELONGS to the people. They are not our dictators, we are theirs, right?
If an employee betrays you and tries to steal/take your business from you … you do not permit them to do so… and just run off to create a new business to compete against the original business they stole from you, right?
The R party belongs to the power brokers and financial backers. Not the people.
The R party does not exist without voters/supporters.
Yes, our R elected officials (employees) have betrayed us (their employers)… but the answer — now that we know– is to fire them for insubordination and replace them with loyal, honest senators/reps (employees), right?
C. Bradley Thompson: “As long as Trump voters remain in a union with Democrat Marxists, the conservatives will be subjected to increasing levels of police state repression.”
“Our natural rights logic will never change the logic of Marxists because there is no common connection between the two forms of logic.”
“On every single Lockean principle, beginning with the priority of individual liberty, Marxists have a subversive alien view of American society.”
“What type of person is attracted to Marxism? He “who has the the moral depravity to inflict torture and repression on his enemies, just like all Marxists in history.”
If Sundance says that we need to form a new party, then we should believe him. After reading C. Bradley Thompson, I think we have no other choice! Our new party framework could be “built on state and national sovereignty.”
We as conservatives are dealing with two incompatible forms of logic. We must move to a new party or be forever enslaved by the Uni-party Marxists—-> Pub and Dem tyranny.
See clpnewsnetwork.com/2021/01/10/episode-65 Thanks to Ms. Vass.
Kare508, You speak with too much common sense, and knowledge of the situation. I could not agree with you any more on this third party train wreck. We just need to remove a large majority of the Republican Party ESPECIALLY the leadership in both chambers of Congress. To me, it is breath taking how many, once thought of rock solid, Republicans, have turned on a dime, into RINOs, traitors, backstabbers, or all of the above. President Trump was truly surrounded by closet RINOs, and had little chance of displaying, and executing his true potential from the start.
Based on the results from the last election, the R and D parties actually remain in the hands of those that count the votes. An election no longer appears to be related to voters and supporters, just like a dictatorship or totalitarian regime.
Perhaps it’s more important to be the group that counts the votes?
It also suggests that direct election of senators is not the best way forward as there is little incentive for a senator to act in the State’s interest. It is nearly impossible for the citizens of the State through its government to recall a senator for bad behavior.
You are wrong. The GOP exists because they have all the financial backing they need from the uber wealthy in the globalist banks and multinational corporations.
The GOP will simply buy the necessary votes from those who can manipulate vote totals via the rigged voting system in every subsequent election.
Unless enough key states can rid themselves of enough corrupt state officials to enable the voters to successfully reject the Dominion or similarly compromised voting machinery, I don’t see a clear path forward on a national level.
You are correct.
For the past 4 years I have been saying this, not forming a new party but completely taking over the Republican party and retiring the GOPe hand picked lackeys, BUT no one responded to that idea.
NOT ONE COMMENT of support for the America First voters to complete the takeover\makeover of the Republican party to make it go back to it’s roots of being the Voice and Action for the forgotten man\woman. That was for the slaves in the mid 1800s but it is for the Working Middle Class in the 21st century.
I still believe that the takeover should work better than a new party but why was there zero positive response to my 4 years of saying we need to go to our local and state Republican party meeting and take all of our AF friends with us to outnumber the right wing of the Uniparty and get this transformation complete?. We needed to retire their hand picked lackey in the primary with one and only ONE good AF candidate ( the GOPe loves multiple candidates to split the vote so their lackey can return to DC to protect the Swamp). Repeat until America First rules in all the state Houses and in both Houses in DC and the WH with a veto prof majority.
Not one single comment in support. Thank you for your suggestion, I hope your suggestion has more traction than mine has had for the past 4 years +.
I will always wonder if the America First voters would have become more active if there may have not been this Steal. But who knows.
Go for it, fight for it and do not back down.
I like this idea. just as socialist Bernie runs in D primaries proclaimed AF party members can run in R primaries. From local boards to national office. I believe the voters are there and just needing some guidance and reliable indicator of who is who.
With the Tea Party and Trump voters voted in candidates who talked a good game and then became turncoats.
I’m all for taking over the Republican Party, but how do we find candidates who won’t lie to us?
You have a point, but did you see how many newbies to the House, voted in under MAGA, turned tail and voted against our President and other new MAGA House members?
I say whether we stay in the Republican party or form a new one, there needs to be rules set up, that politicians sign, that states exactly what we expect them to do and if they break these rules, they are ousted immediately. One such rule should be…not trying to silence another MAGA member of Congress or the party.
We have been trying to ‘take over the Republican Party’ for decades. Even when our candidate, President Trump, won in a landslide, STILL the Uniparty congealed around Biden and kept the winner out. How much more influence do you think we have in the ‘Republican Party’? Before the ‘secret vote’, we were told over 100 House Republicans would vote to remove Cheney from her leadership position.
McCarthy, pz on his name, called for a secret vote to give cover to all of them who were afraid to go against the will of the people. Remaining in the Republicant Party only gives them more power AGAINST US.
Both wings of the uniparty are funded the same way. You can’t send a MAGA Rep into that system of control and hope they won’t be marginalized or worse switch to the uniparty. That is the lesson that PDJT showed us. He won office and stayed true to MAGA via the GOPe primary process because he was financially independent of it. One cannot serve two masters. Follow the money.
Long story short, if we fix the funding than which path we use to attain office is not as important. It would very well very from district to district and office to office. Whether its a MAGA true second party or MAGA via the GOPe primary doesn’t matter if they are ‘both’ funded via pro-MAGA sources and both paths result in victory.
Maybe the initial MAGA funding PAC does turn into a true 2nd party or it takes over the GOPe from within? Who knows at this point, does it matter? Victory over the uniparty is the objective is it not? Not grinding some axe against the uniparty that only hands them more power to them.
I viable strategy must not only put more MAGA Reps into office, but they need to remain outside of the control of the uniparty and thus have a better chance at ‘remaining’ MAGA while in office. Further if you let your emotions give yet more power to more communist’s then we lose all hope of restoring the Republic peacefully because we will lose what is left of an honest voting system and the bill of rights.
File a complaint with whom?
Prosecuted and judged by whom?
There are no patriots or strong supporters of the United States Constitution left within the DOJ upper tiers or among the federal judiciary who are uncorrupted and would represent our interests.
YOU ARE ALL RIGHT AND ALL WRONG – There is no reason why we cannot do both at the same time. Use the continued structure of the Republican Party to primary and replace Rinos while building a ground up third party beginning at the local level, then state level and finally the Federal level. A new third party that doesn’t just split the vote and is a contender at the Federal level will take a decade if not longer – Once a ground up third party gains enough support, the Republicans we vetted and ran to replace the Rinos switch and declare their allegiance to the new third party – its the only realistic way to get it done without forfeiting the country to the Dems/left and thereby destroying what we seek to save.
I was thinking the same thing about getting good AF candidates electe who would later switch to the new Constitutional Republic party. Yes a third party would take more than a decade but that would be a good bridge.
I’ve walked already….never felt better.
I walked away from the Republicans early last month. I know many people who I’ve talked to that said they are going to do it. I said it takes 5 minutes on-line and someone has to earn my vote to have me changing my registration so I can vote in the Primary. Who knows it might even be a Democrat!
The Democrats stole the 2020 presidential election with impunity. The courts and the state legislatures were OK with it. The Democrats can now install any presidential candidate they want to.
In any state with a large Democratic-controlled urban population, the Democrats can also install any Senatorial candidate and most House of Representatives candidates they want to.
Will either a MAGA-controlled Republican Party, or a third party that adopts MAGA principles — will either one of those outcomes matter in any future election?
True… so the #1 priority must be to restore authentic elections. Otherwise, neither the R party nor a 3rd party will matter.
Efforts are still underway to prove that PDJT won the 2020 election, and by a lot. This was no close 1960 or 2000 election. Trump won decisively.
Once proven– and it will be– WHAT is the proper REMEDY? The only acceptable and Constitutional remedy, IMO, is the restoration of the LAWFUL President (Trump) to the office of POTUS.
If you disagree, what do you believe the remedy should be?
OR… maybe you reject that the Truth about the 2020 election– that it was stolen from PDT and the American people — can occur at this late date. If so, why and what do you propose?
That’s my concern. Electoral fraud means no takeover of the GOP or a Third Party matter in the end. How do we cure that if there is no remedy available in the law?
I agree that it was stolen. I believe the Constitutional remedy is for enough swing states to decertify their bidet electors, and recertify with the Trump slate. I think there is time limit for this to happen.
It wasn’t done with impunity. It was done with the help of ALL others. The Republicans could have stopped it if they wanted to stop it. They didn’t. The judiciary could have stopped it if they wanted to stop it. They didn’t. And to those paying attention and knew to tune out the media, it was glaringly obvious what happened and the infuriating “no evidence” claims echoed louder than anything to proves otherwise.
While you could say “Democrats did this” that doesn’t explain Georgia quite so fully does it?
As the Time magazine article claiming the cabal’s efforts “reinforced” the election, it goes a long way to show what was done though it doesn’t go far enough to explain that it was China’s bribery which influenced it all to happen.
The “third party” known as the Republican party was born of just this sort of situation. I’m pretty sure a lot of people back then thought it was foolish to try as well. It took two presidential election cycles to get a Republican president.and the rest is history.
Today we have the insufferable uniparty and we have the same, if not stronger, drive to form a strong third party. The situation is ripe.
I’ve come to this bright understanding as well. Despite the horrible record of third party candidates there seems no other option. The UniParty must go.
The Uniparty consists of both Dems & Rs.
HOW do you propose we DESTROY… the very dangerous fascist/marxist dem party too… OR… do you want to leave the Dem party UNpunished? If so, why?
Well giving up won’t work so that is out. Flipping RINO and RAT seats to Communists won’t help either. I’m game for any viable options that aren’t part of the ‘solutions’ above that too many have advocated for.
Unlike Ronald Reagan, who claimed the Democrat Party left him, I left the Republican Party decades ago and re-registered as an Independent. I was fortunate the 3 states I lived in since I started voting in 1968 have been unrestricted so as an independent, I could vote in either primary. I have consistently voted for Republican candidates in the intervening years. Since Reagan left the scene, I held my nose and voted for Bush, Bush, Dole, Bush, Bush, McCain, and Romney (1988 – 2012). 2016 marked the first time since 1984, I voted FOR someone. I liked the experience. I liked it again in 2020. I believed Trump could win in spite of the fraud I expected would happen. I completely underestimated the level of fraud that was to be committed, and in the aftermath of the election was to be allowed to stand unchallenged (including the willful participation of some Republican politicians and election officials in that commission and cover-up). I have no intention of bothering to vote for the type of ticket the GOPe will run in 2024. First of all, such a ticket doesn’t have a chance of winning in the fraudulent system of voting that will be further entrenched by then, but that is not the primary reason. I voted for people like McCain and Romney, knowing they were not going to defeat 0bama. The real reason is that I get a horrible feeling in the pit of my stomach when I vote merely for the lesser evil. People like Elizabeth Cheney, who deny there was massive election fraud in 2020, are the problem, not the solution to getting this country’s election affairs in order.
That is you choice and you have the right, as a citizen, to choose not to vote… but… that is to choose to do nothing.
Ultimately, as Americans we will face 2 choices:
(1) accept our fate as the slaves of a leftist dictatorship, sacrifice our liberty; or
(2) fight.
You may just opt for #1 but if you opt for #2, how do you propose we… fight?
This apple has not fallen far from the tree. What would you expect from a daughter of a neocon, warmongering criminal?
It will take forever to bring a third party to a level of any significant influence… without Trump.
They also need to come to terms with what the criminal duopoly of the worthless major parties has put in place in EVERY state to make sure that no third party ever has a chance of challenging their oligarchy. Check out http://www.ballot-access.org. Richard Winger has been documenting their collusive crimespree for several decades now. Things are so bad that in the state of GA, NO third party candidate for the US House has been able to overcome the ridiculous ballot access hurdles since 1935!!!! Seriously. The GOP is filled from top to bottom with swamp rats that do the bidding of their Deep State handlers. Just ask anyone who got involved at a state and local level to try and assist Ron Paul or Rick Santorum about the crimes and collusion they witnessed, all to make sure that the Deep State candidates John McCain and Mitt Romney got the nominations. Pretending that political solutions will fix this is delusional. Continuing to play THEIR GAME, the rules of which THEY WRITE, is the wrong approach. Government exists ONLY with the consent of the governed. It has ALWAYS been that way. Withdraw your consent…and that includes playing their rigged voting game.
Wyoming state Senator Anthony Bouchard announced last Wednesday that he will challenge Cheney in 2022. I do not know anything about him, but is claiming to be a great Trump supporter. If Cheney can be primaried out, that’s great. But if she beats Bouchard, would it make sense for Wyoming voters to just vote for the crappy D candidate in order to rid us of Cheney? Would this strategy be useful in other states with squish GOPe candidates? Particularly for House races. I would hate to think of giving the Dems a 6 year Senate term just to get rid of all but the worst GOPe offenders.
I would have probably voted for anything that got rid of McConnell last election, if I lived in Kentucky. YMMV.
Yes vote for a toad if you can oust cheney. What good is she when she is trashing all of us? She will never work for the people.
There are few people on earth more evil than Cheney.
Yes, vote for a Dem if necessary to oust Cheney.
I despise this woman. I’m disgusted that she held her position of power and I know it’s all about backroom dealings and power brokering. I hope she finds herself on the trash heap of history, forgotten and broken.
Anyone that tells me I “should” do something has not put the effort into justifying their case. She can’t justify it.
I’m not anti new party. It may be the only way to save the country.
Bless Donald Trump for exposing the depth of the problems we face.
I had no idea that the inJustice Dept was so corrupted as are most of the other agencies.
A snarky hat tip to the Clintons, the Obamas, the Bidens and the Bushes. You folks did a stellar job of corrupting and selling out our country. May you all rot in hell.
I still believe a third party would just divide Conservatives, and allow Democrats to win elections from now on. The answer to the problem is clean out the career, the RINOs, the weak, and gutless cowards, that fill the Republican Party. It is up to the American People to do this much needed ” House Cleaning “, because they are the ones that keep reelecting this rabble. They need to send quality candidates to Washington, DC. People who are Constitutional Conservatives, with high moral standards, and who are NOT afraid to fight, who don
t mind getting in someone
s grill, and who will fight for the People. Those people are out there, we just need to find them, and send them to Washington.Are there groups popping up yet that are trying to amass the 80-100 million pissed of people in the US? We need to focus our anger onto things we can do in a concerted and coordinated effort to affect what we can where we can ASAP (no politicians please). With 80 million people on board we could have masks eliminated in no time by all agreeing to not wear them. Once this starts to take affect it’ll show who’s with us and who may be against us when you go to stores, restaurants (which we can also deem to re-open and frequent), etc. Then we go after the monopolies like Walmart, Amazon, You Tube Twitter FB. 80 million people not using or frequenting their services would put them all out of business or at least know we mean business. F the politics for now and focus on puttin a hurt on those pulling the strings. Politicians are great at dividing people by creating hot button issues that in reality affect our daily lives very little but are great to seperate into sides. We need to use our 80 million strong to organize and pick the best actions that obviously may be a bit of a sacrifice by shopping local, getting off FB etc but seems a small price to pay. It’s now time to make some sacrifices in creature comforts in order to save our country.
so how many dems voted for PDJT? (remember rally attendance stats?) how many million? 10’s of millions? does anybody know this yet??
so how many pussy clutcher, otherwise not bat shit left semi-conservative women, voted for joe?
add their subservient men? again… 8 digits?
if we do not know either number, how can we have this fixit debate?
I’ve been saying this for weeks. Setting up a new party will be a nightmare. But they have left us no choice.
Despite your urging, Sundance, I really couldn’t bring myself to listen to what she had to say, or to entertain the school-marmish posturing of Chris Wallace. It’s always the same anti-republican (small “r”) drivel, delivered in rehearsed somber tones, reaching for a mien of gravitas that the speaker doesn’t quite achieve and instead comes off as if he/she is channeling a scene from Mean Girls.
Enough is enough! Conservatives had decided before 2016 that the party was not to be redeemed because it was thoroughly corrupt. The coming of Trump paroled that determination. But now that they’ve stabbed him in the back, we can return to business as usual. Even Flavors of the Month like Dan Crenshaw have shown that he can’t see beyond his swampy environs after only a short time treading water in D.C. Let them crash and burn…
Okay Treepers, here are three places to start.
As Seneca pointed out upthread, there are two congressional seats in Louisiana that are going special elections on March 20th with the runoffs on March 24th. They are for CD-2 and CD-5. CD-2 is a New Orleans area seat and has 15 candidates running on the 20th. CD-5 is a Monroe and Mississippi state border seat and has 12 candidates running. There is plenty of work to do vetting the candidates then helping the one y’all deem to be “the guy”. Time is short.
Republican congressman Jim Wright in Texas (CD-6) has died. He had cancer, but had been in the hospital for two weeks fighting COVID. The map of his district is at this link.
https://wright.house.gov/about/our-district
Dig in and go!
Louisiana uses a majority vote system, so the winner is whoever can win with 50%+ of the vote. If no one get 50%, then top 2 go to a runoff.
In the CD-5 race, most of the R candidates do not even have websites up. The 2 that do are Julia Letlow (wife of the deceased congressman) and Chad Conerly. Letlow has an extensive higher education background which is troubling given the left lean in those positions. Conerly looks to be a good candidate – Air Force vet, Iraq War vet, farmer, finance background – but who knows….
Sounds like that would be a great place to start to at least try to get in some MAGA candidates. WHERE THE HELL ARE THE LOCAL GOP A-HOLES WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO BE RUNNING THINGS??
These local parties are RIPE to be taken over by MAGA Republicans.
Thank you.
If any non-Leftist groups in Louisiana could be persuaded to host a couple of town halls, that would be great. If the patriots who feel beaten up by the GOP are identifying as unaffiliated or Independent, these town halls would be their shots at microphones and audiences.
There is only one Dimm candidate. The hard part would be to avoid giving her half of the time while the other half is split 11 ways. If the Dimm is not included, the TV stations almost certainly would not carry the town hall or report on it except to the Dimm candidate’s benefit. There may be an issue with getting it onto Public Access if there is no Dimm. So invite the Dimm. There would be more participation on FB Live and YouTube too.
Make all of the candidates participate as individual candidates, not party candidates. Make them accept a ground rule that references to parties or in any way attempting to discuss their party affiliation would not be allowed. Make it clear that the items on the agenda are the ideas and plans for how that candidate would represent the district.
LAGOP has endorsed Letlow for CD-5, so that proves that she is not the worthy MAGA candidate
Louisiana CD-2 is a safe D district. Sheldon Vincent Sr is the only R running that has a link to a webpage (his personal LinkedIn bio). It looks like 2 LA Democrat state senators – Carter & Peterson – will battle this one out. If we wanted to screw with them, maybe we can identify and back some fringe freak candidate that will embarrass the D party. Might be better than the standard grifters that LA sends to Congress.
LAGOP has endorsed Claston Bernard for CD-2 (Claston Bernard)
Seems like a good guy but very doubtful he could win this race
Ha! I posted my reply without refreshing. Glad to see we are both looking at the same guy.
How about this guy?
Conservative
Articulate
Black
Athlete
Author (of course)
https://thehayride.com/2021/01/the-hayride-is-backing-claston-bernard-for-the-2nd-district-and-so-should-you/
Okay, you gonna start a new national party? Answer me these questions:
How
What
When
Where
If you don’t have any reasonable answers, then the David Schultz plan to Pirate Raid the hapless GOP (like Buccaneers ha ha) is the best plan.
https://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com/
TAKER OVER TO MAKE OVER.
Right the hell on! You get it. And thanks for the link. We need to spread this information around.
A third party is a losers way. We need to focus and organize to remove the subversive traitors from the GOP of which there seem to be no shortage.
People have to understand that Leftist subversives like Murkowski, Graham, McConnell, Cheney, have no problem pretending to be Republicans and subverting the Party from within.
Fortunately, the subversives couldn’t contain themselves and all identified themselves by voting with the DemoNazis for impeachment in the house and topping it by voting to maintain Cheney, the harridan, in a leadership position. Notice how Chris Wallace loves Cheney. The DemoNazis know who their subversives are.
The job ahead is: identify all RINO subversives and replace with solid conservative representatives. Take control of OUR Party.
A third party option can never succeed and will ensure the DemoNazis have an eternal boot stamping on our faces. Focus on the possible, not the impossible.
Will never happen. The Republican party held a SECRET BALLOT vote to keep that Cheney in place when, in public, we had the votes to remove her. This is when the Republic is no longer a Republic. We have no validation or verification of who voted for what. How much ELECTION FRAUD are we going to suffer? They will do things which will infuriate you and all of the rest of us. But unlike you, we are prepared to take ACTION against it.
We will have an impossible time trying to weed out the bad ones. Ted Cruz is a bad one. You didn’t list him. Why not? Probably because you don’t think he’s a bad one. I still remember his demonstrations of character in the 2016 primaries. I remember him with his teddy bears and soccer balls for illegal aliens as the discussion wasn’t about “Amnesty yes or no.” It was about “What FORM of amnesty.”
Principles do not change with the situation. They aren’t operating from principles. They are operating from the array of choices which may benefit themselves the most while risking the least. Not denying Cruz is an exceptional legal scholar. I deny that he is at all principled.
A third part option can never succeed? How did the Republican party happen along? Was it ALWAYS here? Learn history. Those were people who lived in very interesting times as well.
No politician ever completely votes his/her conscience without first checking to see which way the wind is blowing first. This is just a political reality.
3rd Party will only work if Trump does it or 100% backs whoever does it. If so, tens of millions of former R’s AND D’s will abandon their Parties and come over. The GOP would be dead overnight.
Run the numbers using the Just The News Poll: With a new political party – the Patriot Party would defeat the Republican Party candidate 23% to 17% HOWEVER, both would loose to the Democratic candidate who would receive 46% of the vote which = a Democratic Landslide of historic proportions which means our political philosophy would be dead in elections forever!
The problem with a 3rd party is that the RINO’s will switch over to the new party which solves nothing. We need to identify and vote out the RINO’s and replace them with new faces. Talk to candidates and get them to commit to the true republican agenda.
“There are but two parties now, traitors and patriots…” U.S. Grant
For myself, I will only support the Republican Party again if it adopts voter ID verification as its primary objective in all city, state, federal elections going forward. Without a level playing field there is no vote.
May I help this be clearer?
what does a Republican majority give you? right… now move on!
Paging Dinesh D’Souza!! Time to give up trying to keep the repubs together
Any supporter of “We the People” running in 2022 will need to win their primaries as a WtP candidate running against the republican establishment and win. If they can’t do that is there any chance a new party will change anything? It’s possible a new party can move away from democrat and republican alike and attract enough to be successful but not with the media the way it is.
Personally, until the legacy media is destroyed and reports fairly, I think a new party will be branded as a fringe group of lunatics by the MSM and low information voters will believe it. This is why strategy for 2022 should be about reform first, new party a close 2nd. Winning this way gives us both options. If a new party loses, there are no good options. And please stop with the socialist past patriot party talk. If we can’t come up with a new name, what good are we? “We the People” is not new but it surely describes any candidate running MAGA ideas as a subset of the republican party.
How’s come I can’t scroll back to the previous pages? This happens on many posts. I just hit 1, and it shows only 60 comments. When I was on page 8, it shows only 330 comments and I just can’t look at any of all of the many pages on this thread.
Any trick to view?
Democrats love this, but in the end a strong ‘Patriot Party’ can put forth some great candidates to displace career Republican politicians who have not served their voters in years. We can still vote for the Jim Jordan’s and Louie Gohmert’s in the General Elections.
I also think that the DNC and RNC are the same club members. They probably share money and get their swamp selected members elected. They will never allow anyone who is not part of the club to run for office ever again. They miscalculated the amount of cheating that needed to be done in 2016. Remember when Hillary would not concede until the next morning. They had to ensure all cheating was exhausted before she would concede.
Don’t contribute any money to RNC. Even Mitt’s niece has abandoned President Trump even though he was the reason for their success in fundraising.
With the Uni-Party so clearly aligned with so many varied interests that are collectively sucking on the public tit….just how long can this continue?
The little people who have no say, who work their jobs, pay their taxes, respect the law, live peaceably, fight our wars…are effectively modern-day serfs working to support Uni-Party elected officials at all levels of government and those that feed at the public troughs.
There’s another word for Serfs that is verboten these days….but Serf amounts to the same thing IMO.
IMO most elected officials with an R after their names are collectivists just like those with a D after their names.
So in 2022, the 20 Rino Republican Senate seats are going to ALL be replaced for 6 year terms.
Then, in 2024, 10 Rino Republican Senate seats will ALL be replaced for 6 year terms.
Then, in 2026, the remaining 20 Rino Republican Senate seats will ALL be replaced for 6 year terms.
Each of these election cyles, the Rino’s in the House (currently 212) have to be replaced AND kept in place since they serve two year terms.
Those are with ideal conditions (LOL), and fair and legal elections (dream on).
That’s a long ways down the road just to maintain a minority status in Congress with representation that we can only hope won’t be compromised and will have the continual backbone to stand up to the entire DC Swamp.
This is the timeline on the Federal level if everything goes to perfection, which it will not.. The elections for legislators on the state level is even more cumbersome and untimely.
In the mean time, what do you think the Swamp critters will be doing?
We have a LOT of work to be doing right now.
Instead we’re arguing about a third party that will never get off the ground.
Is the CTH doing another major upgrade. There are entire pages blank or with 1/2 of their comments missing. I wrote out a number of questions yesterday asking how the 3rd party would be constructed and on and on but the comment and replies are missing due to “tech problems” it seems.
Is strongly debating the idea of a 3rd Trump party this week the wisest idea when DJT’s facing an Impeachment trial with a jury of “opposition” Republicans deciding his fate or pretending to. He’s not actually in office anymore so any decision is probably unconstitutional.
I’m all for a 3rd party or a major hard fought campaign to primary every RINO and anti Trumpers in 2020 with Cheney at the top of the list. Whichever method will provide the best hope of defeating the Democrats and having a credible party is the one that should be chosen. But those here that don’t believe any discussion should take place as to how a 3rd party would be organized and accuse the questioners of being uninformed, ignorant fools that don’t know about the Uni-party corruption etc. is just hurting their own cause.
Should the 3rd party retain a fully organized official status or an unofficial status leading up to the 2020 primaries but also heavily fund primary candidates to depose every stinking Rino? And if the RINO wins unfairly due to local party shenanigans then the losing MAGA primary challenger can run against the Dem and the GOP candidate as the 3rd party candidate. Is that how the party should become official? I am still curious how the best of the GOP feel about a 3rd party. Would the fledgling party be able to entice any incumbents like Nunes, Jordan, Gaetz and any potential leader like DeSantis to it if Trump does not run? Or would the party have to oppose all of them as well?
Many millions of Americans are still routinely duped by the MSM, Big Tech and the Dem propaganda machine that constantly lie and demonize Trump. If a 3rd party goes against the GOP, then the corporate funded GOP would join the Dems, the MSM and Big Tech and their enormous propaganda machines in running negative ads etc against the 3rd party. If winning primary campaigns first is not a part of the 3rd party’s strategy then creeps like Cheney will be free to attack at will and maybe dupe enough voters to be re-elected. It’s more likely the Dem would win unless Biden’s destructive policies have finally diminished the Democrat numbers by themselves.
Note–Before I’m accused of being an idiot that doesn’t know about the Uni-party concept–I do. The Democrat party and the GOP party are separate parties officially, legally and de facto. But some members of both parties collude with each other to enrich themselves and betray their electorates.
If concerned Conservatives can not easily and gratifyingly depose a smug rogue hatchet wielding Congresswoman like Cheney who attacks the former leader of her own party and the 74 million that voted for him instead of attacking Democrat Biden’s destructive policies of open borders and all the others on behalf of her Wyoming constituents then there is no Conservative hope for America.
The MSM needs to be destroyed by the people, some how, some way. I believe that discussion will lead to true reform, be it the government, the parties, and the media itself. So, how can 75m people demean and diminish any unfair media, right in front of their noses? Dirty tricks and more James Okeefe type exposing will put these people on defense to the point they can’t be sure what they are reporting unless they actually investigate and report fairly. Increase the supply of fair media and decrease the demand for lazy corrupt media.
I don’t disagree, but I also don’t see a path forward for us to win as a third Party.
I know the control of the Repug Party is in the hands of the Uniparty back bench. But hopefully, we have time to change that in the next two election cycles. Vermin like Liz Cheney will have to be defeated and replaced by our candidates. No failures to challenge Uniparty Repugs in the primaries will be acceptable. If we are actually the majority of the Repug voters, we will prevail. We will have to force our will on the Senate Repugs over the 2022 and 2024 election cycles. The Repug Senate managers are going to wait to see what happens before they will either begin to work for our policy agenda in an effort to save themselves or will abandon the Party for the back benches of the Democrap coalition. If they abandon the Party, we will be the Party and we will be in as poor shape as we would be as members of a third party, so we have to succeed.
If we don’t succeed, we will be marginalized by the Uniparty Repugs and our fate will be much like the Libertarians, who seem to have accepted failure in every election since the 1970s, and remain as a small and ineffective group of purist political philosophers.
I used to believe in the two party system because in political arguments there is only yin and yang and nothing much else. Each Party must constantly focus on political issues and find voting constituencies to help them win. So they constantly shift their policy agendas around in an effort to gain each election cycle victory. Now that one Party has decided to weaponize the Bureaucracies and private Corporations to help them steal elections through fraud, we may never see a chance to turn the political tide, no matter how many voters we can legitimately claim. So, I am pessimistic about any way forward for our Republic. My only false hope is that enough Americans will notice that their country is being destroyed by Totalitarianism and decide they have had enough of these blood sucking parasites trying to control our lives. Fat chance, because a large percentage of Americans have never seemed to care who runs the Gubmint.
Sundance, if you want to show us a way back to becoming a Free Republic by becoming our own Party, please do so. Otherwise, don’t lead us down this path.
For all of you purists out there who know that your own ideas are all the best, these are only one person’s thoughts and he is willing to have his mind changed. Dismissing him with righteous indignation will not change his mind.
At first, you just have to focus on winning a few House seats amd 1 or 2 Senate seats. The idea is to provide the swing votes that can make a bill pass or fail. You leverage few votes into a very powerful position.
The other thing is to focus on local elections including school board where political party doesn’t make as much difference. Maybe a few state delegates, city attorneys, judges, etc. If Trump runs in 4 years, then all our candidates can hang on to his coattais.
Why is President Trump so quiet about all of the GOP RINO’s that totally screwed conservatives? What difference does it make? What are McConnell and Graham going to do to him that they have not already done? Why doesn’t he attack the uniparty in DC continue to expose their goal of becoming the ruling class how this nation is no longer being governed?
“Why is President Trump so quiet…”
The Impeachment scam, his banishment from Twitter, a broken Parler etc might have something to do with it. Why criticize your jury before the trial no matter how much of a sham it is?
The uniparty operates very much as a good cop bad cop trap. Both sides of the uniparty uses their office for personal enrichment and to satisfy their lust for power. The GOPe wing of RINOs and RATs keeps us voting for them over various social issues like the 2A, etc. That is the trade off. Vote for us Rinos or the Dems will take your firearms.
Ok, now imagine MAGA Reps (however they attain office) that votes for 2A protections ‘and’ is pro-MAGA because they are only funded by pro-MAGA? How does that not hold the line on social issues while also progressively orienting the GOPe away from anti-MAGA?
I understand the dislike of the GOP, but a right leaning 3rd party will split the right. A party that can draw true traditional old school liberals (who are on our side on most issues) and true conservatives (which are actually traditional liberals) could overcome both parties. Here’s theoretical ticket that could do just that: https://articlesofunity.org/candidates/
Perhaps Sundance could mirror T Jefferson and write a 2nd Declaration of Independence for us to rally around.
I know what you mean but it’s not “Stop being a battered conservative and start accepting that two-thirds of the republican party do not want you in the room.” It’s 2/3rds of the elected Republicans don’t want us. I think it’s likely more!
I know plenty of people who say they don’t vote, because it doesn’t make a difference. That all elected officials are the same. Trump starting a ‘People’s Party” or something inclusive and catch might get them to register and vote.
I can’t find Seneca’s post that has the FEC link on how to start a political party.
Until I see some serious organization, etc., this is all talk. I am as outraged as anyone, but I won’t jeopardize my local taxes voting third party unless there is some real meat to it. And I don’t know if third party can even be down to a local level. But it’s local and state level in which they farm candidates for national seats.
This is going to take some talent and leadership to get started.
“Until I see some serious organization…this is all talk.”
Unfortunately, some here will attack you for that reasonable comment or would have if you had posted much earlier.
I can’t send you the link from this device but it might be FEC dot com or something easy to look up.
The requirements are must reading for everyone who thinks another party is the way to go.
Honestly, I don’t think it’s remotely possible that it can be done especially before the upcoming elections which have already started.
If not now when.????
There is no defeating the Rinos. They are more comfortable as a minority party anyway.
They control the primaries, the candidates, and the money, You get a candidate and they will smoke hmm with oppo and the Ds go golly even the Rs think hes a homophobe, racist, jingoist, fascist dirtbag, and its over.
The Rinos party is for sale and we can not out bid China.
We need a new party with hard and fast rules about Graft, Family Foundations, Inside trading, We will never get those reforms in government without that as the platform of a party. I will guarantee that no other party will compete with you on that.
At some point we have to take this country back from these SOBs
Divorces are ugly, brutal, expensive,nand heart breaking. They leave children scared and confused. However if your spouse is abusing you and your children, then staying together for the children is continuing the abuse cycle for another generation.
So lets grab some garbage bags and takenwhat you can. Grab the kids and head out on to the mean streets. The fear of the devil you dont know is always greater then the devil you do.
Put another way suppose all your worst fears come true. We hit the road and we lose, we get beaten bad. That means all the Rinos and Democrates win. Duhhhh Devil we know sounds a lot like the Devil we dont, just without the mask.
The only way GOPe will die if 80 million of Trump supporters stop voting for any republicans and give money.
Everyone must stop and do this unanimously.
join
Doesn’t the constitution require the consent of the governed? Rather than secession, why not simply withdraw our consent? This can be formally done by states or individuals, IMO. I no longer consent to be governed by the DC Corporation.
The left wing took over the democrat party. Why can’t we take over the republican party? I will tell you, we waste our time arguing about ideology. We need to push an anti-corruption, anti-waste platform and push it hard. Will it really matter if we get rid of government programs because they fail their stated objectives? Or if we give rid of them because taxes are wrong?
As long as we get rid of them, it is all good.
Is it possible to recall her? If so, do it Wyoming! Immediately!
The GOP pins its hopes on her or us. It is that simple.
I think we give a go at Primary time, and see where go from there. But then again look how many voted to keep Cheney. She is finished in Wyoming though.