There has been considerable debate and discussion about the next steps for President Trump in contesting the election outcome. According to media reporting on the discussions it appears the White House is listening to several opinions including a group containing Sidney Powell (outside campaign) and a group led by Rudy Giuliani (inside campaign).
Despite the common objective amid the two groups, there have been some stories written by media intended to diminish and/or marginalize the ongoing effort. In this interview with Rudy Giuliani, President Trump’s campaign lawyer outlines the formal approach underway by the inside campaign team. [The audio/visual isn’t great but it works]
https://youtu.be/XK1CwcIPpck
In addition to the information provided by Giuliani, there are three distinct data-points that could align in favor of supporting President Trump’s ongoing effort:
- Acceptance by the Supreme Court of the request by the Trump campaign to hear arguments against the Pennsylvania election outcome.
- A pending DNI report by John Ratcliffe outlining foreign influence in the election.
- The outcome of the Georgia run-off election on January 5th.
If the Supreme Court agrees to hear the campaign case; and if the DNI report can show foreign interference connection to the election; and if the Georgia run-off holds momentum toward the GOP; then it is more likely a Senator will object on January 6th to the certification of the electors and request a roll-call vote in the House and Senate.
These three positive outcomes would align with congressional meetings reported today within the White House.
Everything above tracks with the known direction of the preferred “inside group”, and their advice toward President Trump.
However, the independent “outside group” containing: Attorney Sidney Powell, Attorney Lin Wood, Lt. General Michael Flynn, and now former CEO Patrick Byrne, appear to be advising for a more forceful approach with use of the 2018 executive order safeguarding against foreign interference in the election.
The narrative engineering media have accused the outside group of attempting to stimulate interest in use of the U.S. military via the Insurrection Act.
(Politico) […] But that hasn’t stopped the act from becoming a buzzword and cure-all for prominent MAGA figures like Sidney Powell and Lin Wood, two prominent pro-Trump attorneys leading efforts to overturn the 2020 election, and even one North Carolina state lawmaker. Others like Michael Flynn, Trump’s first national security adviser who was recently pardoned for lying to the FBI, have made adjacent calls for Trump to impose martial law.
The ideas have circulated in pro-Trump outlets and were being discussed over the weekend among the thousands of MAGA protesters who descended on state capitols and the Supreme Court to falsely claim Trump had won the election. (more)
In essence the DC media is attempting to isolate, ridicule and marginalize the entire effort of both groups by weaponizing a dictator Trump narrative open to use of the military via the Insurrection Act or Martial Law.
Into this fray any meeting with President Trump by the outside group is being weaponized by anti-Trump media. President Trump was pushing back against this narrative effort by media over the weekend:
It is important to remember the White House counsel would be providing legal advice from the position of “The Office of the Presidency.” The White House counsel’s job is to uphold the concentric circles of legal protection that surround President Trump or any U.S. President. There are some topics of conversation that White House counsel would not allow to take place inside the oval office.
The distinction between White House counsel (Pat Cipollone) and Trump Campaign counsel (Rudy Giuliani) is the former looks out for the “office” while the latter looks out for the political interests. The distinctions are narrow, but the distinctions are very real.
The difference between the two sets of advisors is a distinction the media enjoy exploiting to give the appearance of division. This creates friction and leads to turmoil. The DC media know this game well, and any time there is a republican president in office they use this marginalization and isolation narrative to stir up trouble.
As a direct outcome The New York Times published an article on Saturday morning attempting to create division and pushing a narrative intended to create trouble amid two aligned groups: Inside Campaign group and Outside Campaign group.
NEW YORK TIMES – President Trump on Friday discussed making Sidney Powell, who as a lawyer for his campaign team unleashed a series of conspiracy theories about a Venezuelan plot to rig voting machines in the United States, a special counsel investigating voter fraud, according to two people briefed on the discussion.
It was unclear if Mr. Trump will move ahead with such a plan.
Most of his advisers opposed the idea, two of the people briefed on the discussion said, including Rudolph W. Giuliani, the president’s personal lawyer, who in recent days sought to have the Department of Homeland Security join the campaign’s efforts to overturn Mr. Trump’s loss in the election. (more)
The larger goal by DC media is to isolate President Trump by fracturing his base of support. The outside group (Powell, Wood, Flynn, Byrne) are fighting a different type of confrontational battle, while the inside group (Giuliani, Ellis et al) are attempting to bridge their legal effort with congressional and political support.
[NOTE: White House counsel is between both groups protecting “The Office”]
Obviously the MAGA community supports both approaches. However, to no-one’s surprise the approach of the more confrontational outside group feeds a yearning for justice amid a 2020 election outcome that is filled with evidence of fraud and injustice.
Unfortunately, for whatever reason, one of the outside group, Patrick Byrne, went on Twitter on Sunday and kicked-up a hornets nest of division which plays directly into the hands of the DC media who thrive on the division narrative.
While Mr. Byrne may have the best intentions in mind, saying President Trump is “lied to” by his advisors is not the best approach. Byrne may believe the confrontational strategy of the outside group is a better plan, and he may forcefully advocate for that approach, but going public with the content of an oval office meeting is never a good idea.
The content or context of a meeting in the Oval Office should always be kept private, and outlining conflict for the purpose of position advocacy never ends well.
The public airing of internal debate (or conflict) only leads to the principle officer (President Trump) having to draw distinct lines amid participants. Internal conflict made public only fuels the division narrative.
If Patrick Byrne feels the president is not being served by his advisors, apparently he had four-and-a-half hours to make that exact point. There is no value in taking an antagonistic approach public, and again it only feeds division…. which is what the media are seeking to exploit.
The conflict narrative is worsened by Mr. Byrne going onto Newsmax [SEE HERE] and podcasts [SEE HERE] to keep pushing his message that President Trump is not being served…. Byrne also gave interviews to Epoch Times:
— Patrick Byrne (@PatrickByrne) December 22, 2020
At a certain point enough purposeful animosity is simply enough. No doubt the most gleeful group watching Byrne at work are the same media who can take a backseat and appreciate the division of President Trump’s base of support.
There is a certain predictability to all of this:
- Wednesday Night – Michael Flynn recommended (Newsmax) impounding Dominion machines by order of President Trump; and noted military possibilities.
- Thursday – The DC media stirred up the controversy around the insurrection act by painting Trump supporters as unstable. Joint Chief’s General Milley said the military would not engage in any political effort.
- Friday – Sidney Powell and Patrick Byrne meet with President Trump in the Oval Office.
- Saturday – The New York Times framed the Powell/Byrne meeting as a radical effort to remain president.
- Saturday night – President Trump pushed-back against the Martial Law narrative.
- Sunday Patrick Byrne criticizes the White House advisory group, President Trump’s Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, and the office of White House counsel.
Notice the fuel for division is from the outside group. What happens next is predictable:
- Monday (tonight) sensing the president is being boxed into a division narrative; which ultimately weakens him and fractures the base of support; President Trump’s campaign lawyer Rudy Giuliani has no other option other than to push back against Sidney Powell and Patrick Byrne.
The bottom line is people within the MAGA community must resist the urge to fracture and divide based on differing opinion of approaches. Everyone wants the same goal and nerves are on edge among patriots who have poured their heart and soul into supporting President Trump amid the face of four years of overwhelming adversity.
President Trump loves this country and is not a quitter amid adversity. No-one loves this nation more than President Trump and his base of supporters. Everyone wants the best possible outcome.
Bottom line: Let Trump be Trump!
Breathe…
Byrne said the White House lawyers were pressing Trump to concede. Anyone doing that is specifically NOT protecting the office of the presidency. Anyone doing that is thinking only of his or her next job and afraid of being part of a team that fought hard and still lost. I’m very glad Byrne called them out. It needed to happen. If they don’t want to fight for fairness in our election, they should resign.
You hit the nail on the head. So frustrating to watch AOC and the Left’s calls for communist-style political purges be effective. If you’ve ever seen the movie Election, think the Tracey Flick character. DC is full of these type A personality, ambitious schemers who only care about their advancement.
That Byrne said it does not make it true. It may be his interpretation that what Meadows and WH Counsel advocate are tantamount to concession.
IDK Byrne. He did not vote for the President and his judgment is suspect.
Let Powell be Powell and let Rudi be Rudi and don’t fracture the base.
Breathe. Best advice I’ve heard all month.
Flynn confirmed on Twitter and Powell retweet his first tweet about the meeting.
https://twitter.com/GenFlynn/status/1341364461102379008?s=20
In the Meeting Flynn stood up and ask the swamp creatures who thinks the President won the election- not a single one answered- they all looked at their shoes. That tells me Byrne is right.
Why does ANYONE trust this Cipollone guy? Why does he get the benefit of the doubt but Byrne get suspicion? Hmmm?
https://twitter.com/EmeraldRobinson/status/1341080402358919169?s=19
All of this is bringing me back to Sundance’s summer post about a mole in the White House who was close to the President, had his trust, but was not helping him.
If I recall correctly, Sundance mentioned that the mole had been there from the beginning.
As the White House attorney, seems that would be true…
This rings true to me. Makes sense.
steph_gray, how did you install your atlas shrugging avatar? I’ve tried … can’t do it.
Because the guy telling Trump not to fire Wray and Barr is somehow better than the guy who spilled the beans about betrayal in POTUS inner circle?
Because the guy who didn’t vote for Trump but wants to save the republic is sowing more discord than the AG who says no vote fraud and no problem with Hunters laptop.
I have all the respect in the world for Sundance but this take on Byrne and Trump’s inner circle is way off the mark.
Tough to disagree with this logic. One look at Cipillones resume tells me all I need to know.
Would you have ever bet against Tiger Woods in his prime? Me neither.
President Trump, our Lion, is in his prime now! Would be a mistake to vote against him, especially now. He is his own best counsel.
Peter Rabbit
Apples and oranges.
Byrne is a libertarian. He never votes for either the dem or republican. His wanting to help President Trump is the principle of the matter and he says so in the interview. He says the consent of the governed and our vote are the last 2 vestiages of freedom remaining. We are about to lose both. He wants to help President Trump and Americans. Cipollone wants President Trump to concede. Who does that serve?
You actually believe that BS?
Yes
I’m also glad that Byrne called them out, but I agree with Sundance that it was not helpful to go public and give the left more to divide us.
Trump can take whichever path he chooses. Results are all that matter. In taking this path Trump surely understands Byrne is a fraud/deep state plant with exceptionally questionable motives. Also, why the F is Patrick Byrne in the decision mix anyway? Who put him there?
Byrne wouldn’t be there unless PDJT wanted him there.
The reasson he was there was to give information regarding the statistical analysis on how the fraud occurred. The Overstock CEO is a tech guru, so he is knowledgeable about the subject of cyber fraud. I answered your silly questions you fool.
The question wasn’t silly and no need for insults. I have the same question. Byrne being a “tech guru” sounds good, but there are a million tech gurus out there. I haven’t heard Byrne was part of any forensic audit or investigation. So the question remains. Why is Byrne part of this cadre? It feels like a plant, which was my first thought when he came out with his story originally. Him coming out of that meeting spitting divisive fire only serves to back up that thought. Prove me wrong without insulting me. These are honest questions that deserve sincere thought, It’s not like Trump hasn’t let snakes in to his inner circle before.
Byrne has presumably been paying for the tech gurus to do the best analysis of the election anomalies.
This is a good thing.
The question is pertinent, thanks for posting.
It is one thing to provide tech info. It is quite another to be involved in a strategy meeting. Something is askew.
Byrne has been involved in finding election fraud for many years. 2020 has not been the first -I believe him.
(snicker)
I see the mutt genes are emerging again.
If Patrick Byrne had put a report like Peter Navarro did maybe he’d have more cred. Navarro’s report was excellent.
Sidney trusts him, I bet.
Better question…. your accusation that Byrne is a deep state plant is based on what?
Well this headline seeking Byrne came out and alleged the FBI was using him as a “spy” to pursue a romantic relationship with Maria Butina and then when this story went nowhere this fraud then disappears to South America. Yawn
Maybe Byrne is there bc President Trump likes to get divergent sides on an issue and hear them battle it out. How many times has he said that is his way to sift viewpoints of advisors.
that is quite possible.
“it aint ova till its ova ” Yogi Berra (10 world series rings) ,all New Yorkers know this and TRUMP is a New Yorker
If the supreme court
if the DNI
if the Georgia runoff
I just don’t think that’s gonna happen, too many ifs.
OK do you Treepers think the election was stolen?
We KNOW the election was stolen. Any THINKING person knows this. We just don’t KNOW who all the players are yet. Common sense is all you need to have to figure this one out.
Thank you peace now since we all agree it was stolen, I would proffer that it was stolen by the Legislative judicial and part of the executive branches of our government.. do you think that the legislative judicial or part of the executive branch is going to give it back once they have it? In my mind there’s only one way to take it back.
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”
No doubt whatsoever it was stolen right before our eyes, and they flipped us the bird while they were doing it. Rather brazen to be honest. We will see if any of the spineless jellyfish in DC who represent, themselves, not us, stand up and be counted when it counts….I am betting they fold like a deck of cards. That’s when we have to have a long talk about what the future holds and are we willing to accept anymore demands stuffed down our collective throats….could get interesting for sure….in the meantime, gotta let it play out.
Yes, “gotta let it play out”
We need to realize that the President and Patriots assisting him MUST have devised a brilliant strategy to literally save the Republic from catastrophe and collapse.
If they r just “winging it” then we have already lost, which IS what appears to be true. No question the Republic & the Constitution hang by a thread.
WHY did PT ask us to come to DC on jan 6 and describe that event as being “a wild time?”
A concession speech is not a “wild” time. Only a surprise victory would produce a… “wild time.”
Yep. January 6th will determine the answer to Ben’s famous quote about keeping the republic. Did we?
Who doesn’t? Even many dems acknowledge it now.
First, they laugh at you,
Then they ignore you.
Then they fight you,
Then you win…
Fortunately for Gandhi, he was dealing with the British who at least had a basic decency. The socialists/communists (Germany, Russia, China, whoever) would have simply killed them all
Our opponents are socialist/communist/oligarchists and have no basic decency.
It’s hard to judge at this distance who is serving the president’s interest–and who is serving their own. So, all I will say is this; anyone advising or encouraging the president to concede is ill-serving him and We the People.
However, if Trump must leave office, he must do so only after directly informing the American people of all he knows about the fraudulent election. The American people deserve at least that much.
Yes to par 1.
No to par 2. PT cannot leave office knowing that he, in fact, won this election. And he has declared he won multiple times.
If he walks out, then he becomes complicit in the overthrow of the elected govt of the USA.
Obama arrogantly quipped, publically, that if PT refuses to leave, we can always send in the Navy Seals to extract him.
Of course, our Special Forces now report directly to him… per recent structure change… so such a confrontation would be both interesting… and terrifying to witness.
What should our role be at such a moment?
Target the guys advancing on the white house. Quite simple.
He can’t just walk away from MAGA. It’s not going to happen. Never bet against him.
You are correct on both parts. I believe he won’t be complicit is the worst happens….could get really interesting…I would be counting on him finding a method to bare all the governments dirty secrets, both demonrats and socialists republicans included, to ensure it’s all laid bare for all to see! I am counting on it….
“If he walks out, then he becomes…” d.e.a.d (and his entire family)
He has already made a speech from the White House about a lot of it and exactly how many networks actually aired it? That’s the problem. The MSM is blocking him from getting the word out. Even now, there are millions of Americans who know nothing about the steal.
To everyone here,read my lips.If the DemocRATS manage to steal the election,there will NEVER be another meaningful election again.NEVER.So pull up your”Big Boy”pants,arm your self and get ready for the fight of your life.Or get ready to live on your knees,FOREVER.
I think both approaches can be useful. Seizing the voting machines and analyzing them serves 2 purposes. It gets them out of the Georgia run off. Showing samples from the swing states and other states the machine fraud is systemic will boost congress critters contesting the votes for Jan 6.
When is he going to seize the voting machines? Who is going to seize the voting machines? What ever happened to the server we supposedly took hold of in Germany? Where are those countries that General Flynn said were watching the elections? Have the Governor and SOS of Georgia been arrested like Lin Wood said they would be? Is that EO Trump signed in 2016 ever going to be implemented? The clock is running out and nothing is getting done.
Only question is why the Dominion machines haven’t been impounded yet?
Like, why weren’t they impounded the next day? (11/4)
Is this all just smoke and mirrors, putting up the appearance of a fight to keep the base (us) in line and on the hook?
“C’mon, we must keep up the fight. The election was stolen, we must fight to save the…
Senate/House/President. Think ’22…
I say, Spit or get off the pot. NOW!!!
If you have evidence, release it already. My guess, it’s all just supposition, or we would have seen the proof. There would be no question at this point.
It’s all hanging on three “if’s.”
B TW, who is going to PAY for THIS stimulus? Half the country has been forced out of work.
Interest rates going back to zero again? Negative interest?
There isn’t an agency under his control that has jurisdiction, from what I can see and from what’s been reported. The DOJ isn’t going to do it. DHS can’t do it. The military can’t do it unless he calls martial law and, from all reports, that’s not going to happen either.
I’ve been asking since Sep 12, 2018, when EO 13848 was signed – who is going to enforce it? Sanctions and asset seizure is easy enough, State and Treasury. Arresting people and meting out justice? Unclear.
I’m a bit surprised that Byrne is in on these meetings.
But, seeing as he is in on these meetings, I would be less prone to question his actions post meeting.
Why? Why wouldn’t you question why he’s there? Especially after he comes out firing as soon as he’s leaving the meeting. And what was up with all his social media posts documenting that he was there in the first place? Who does that? Why would you do that? We don’t see endless selfies from anyone else that was in that meeting. And we don’t see anyone else coming out of those meeting and stirring the pot either. His presence is sketchy at best.
That’s why I said I’m surprised he is in on these meetings.
If Trump didn’t like what Byrne said, he would have posted a correction. He had no problem doing that with Pompeo this week.
The majority of advisors telling Trump to fight on are only concerned with the Georgia runoff. Most of them already have a foot out the door.
Rudy and Ellis have done a great job of getting the idea that fraud occurred into the public mainstream. But everyone has to see smoking gun evidence before they accept it. Powell maintains it exists, and she’s assembled quite a case, but it hasn’t been proven definitively and a lot of that is Republican opposition from McConnell who forbade senators from challenging Biden electors to Kemp in Georgia and Doucey in Arizona who have certified their elections.
Trump has had a significant legal win in Wisconsin, yet he’s complaining about Brian Hagedorn on Twitter. The Antrim County report was a bombshell, but nobody knows about it… or the Pennsylvania case, which is Trump’s first petition directly to SCOTUS. There’s a messaging problem coming out of the White House. No coherent argument is being made except for someone to overturn an election, and nobody is just going to take that heat — not SCOTUS, not legislatures, not Pence or McConnell.
Sure, the path pursued by Phil Kline and Matt Braynard makes more sense and is less controversial. It also should have been done over the summer if Brad Parscale wasn’t a crackhead. At this stage in the game, it isn’t going to change anything. Neither is Rudy arguing that Democrats went around state legislatures. The attitude of the courts is quit bothering us with that and tell them to get it together. Write some better laws for the next pandemic. Powell, Wood and Byrne are right. You have to prove coordination and widespread fraud, that the machines were corrupt, the officials broke the law and there was foreign interference. This isn’t John Eastman arguing the Equal Protection Clause. These people are comfortable litigating national opinion, whether it’s a colorful spook like Byrne or suing CNN for slander or exonerating Trump’s National Security Advisor when the whole campaign was accused WITHOUT EVIDENCE of treason. Marquess of Queensbury rules won’t do here, and they aren’t why anyone supports Trump. If the shoe were on the other foot, the left would be burning down cities again.
The Arizona Senate Judiciary subpoenaed all the Dominion machines and ballot scans in Maricopa County, and the election board just sued them. They completely disregarded the order, and now it’s Christmas. Next time you hear anything about this, it will be January 6. Two weeks later they’ll be swearing in Biden. The election was almost two months ago. You need those machines, and they won’t give them to you. US Marshals should have impounded them months ago where there weren’t recounts underway. It’s better to ask forgiveness than permission, and the Insurrection Act is warranted with everything we’ve seen in these blue states.
The real problem seems to be a difference of opinion, and that can’t be helped. Many Republicans, most of them in the Beltway, want to go back to life before Trump. It’s lazy and simplistic, but it’s politics. Biden is a known quantity to them. Trump needs fighters if he is to prevail, and time is running out quickly.
If the shoe were on the other foot, the left would be burning down cities again.
I hear they’re having a bonfire in DC on January 6th.
IMHO, Patrick Byrne did not go rouge. He was responding to what was LEAKED to the NYT. That was Trumps call.
Exactly. What’s the downside?
Cue clutched pearls…..
Agreed.
Do a dive on Byrne the Overstock guy. Forbes. Russian spy honeypot, Butina. NRA
Are you anti-gun? Why pick on the NRA, they are the heros protecting our Second Amendment rights, you troll.
Look squirrel Patrick Byrne said this. Look another squirrel Rudy said this. Look there’s another squirrel over there Sydney’s been meeting with the president the last 3 days.
The truth is the 2020 presidential election was stolen. We all know how it was stolen why it was stolen & where it was stolen. The simple question is are we going to let it be stolen
Someone needs to get a message to the president to fight this and not try to hope for Jan. 6 . The enemy knows the rules better than we do so don’t let it get that far. If he declared martial law, then would the Jan 5 run off in georgig be necessary? Vans of dems are traveling around neighborhoods voting people then and there. How can that be happening? Georgia legislature needs to stand up around the few of those who are fighting the fraud. Many other legislators are just in hiding and not answering emails or calls or even posting a position statement. Don’t let it get that far. Do it now. Someone needs to get him a message of just how many patriots are supporting him and waiting for him to do something. He need to declare his faith in God more publicly and let people know he is praying and going to act. Our entire future is in the balance. Don’t just let time creep by wishing and hoping that some Washington senators or representatives will suddenly stand and do the right thing. Stop hoping and wishing the SC will do the right thing. Stop listening to the White House advisors. Listen to the public. Listen to Gen Flynn. Listen to Sydney Powell. Listen to his base. We are waiting Mr. President and praying for you. Don’t wait and let this fraud happen. Pray and give God the credit for a miracle. Someone please get a message to him to tell him just how many people support him and are waiting for him to act. Let him know that we don’t want to go down in defeat due to lack of action or effort. May God bless him and us and give us a reprieve from this coming darkness. Then let us turn from our evil and do right.
Reportedly an attorney has suggested that Vice President Pence can refuse to accept the electoral votes of the contested states either in December or January and just count those accepted, thereby giving Pres. Trump the second term. Then, will those affected sue? If so, then they must prove the legitimacy of the votes in those states. That is when the evidence will be revealed. Is this at all feasible? Or realistic? Or anything? It sounds good to me, if VP Pence wants to be the VP for the next 4 years and is willing to stand up and be the hero/villain of this historical Constitutional crisis and save our Republic.
Pence will be the last one to surface in this fight, just isn’t sure on which side he is on. It’s highly unlikely he would refuse to accept the EC on Jan. 6.
Not happening.
Steward Rhodes on Mike Admas Natural News for December 22 (use duckduckgo to find it) interview today points out caveat on that so don’t hope for it.
Um…..I think President Trump knows & works alright within the bunker drama. If the media/deep state did not really believe that they are committing election crimes they would be going absolutely ballistic by this time with Trump not conceding.
Absolutely. Harris still retaining her seat is another signal. She will never do that before being sworn in which ain’t happening.
The guy poured millions of dollars and months of personal work in uncovering election fraud through Dominion. He and Sidney are heroes.
I am 1,000% on his and Sidney Powell’s side. We need to stop pussyfooting around. Treason has been committed on a huge scale and part of the President’s job is to ensure justice is done. Insurrection Act has been invoked 20 times in the history of the United States.
It is time to take gloves off.
I believe Article III describes treason as waging war against our country, aiding the enemy, etc…etc…..
IF it were to be prosecuted on the federal level, I believe the charge would be sedition, and not treason…though, if they declare war against us, which they might just do, it could get interesting…..
You are correct.
Call a spade a spade. I agree. The traitors need to be publicly called out. Nancy is protecting Swalwell because she has been doing the same thing for over thirty years. Everyone in Congress is bought and paid for. Bar none.
They all get paid well. Most leave office financially set for life. What a job if you can get it.
Thank you and well said!
It still seems strange to me that the SCOTUS could “decide whether or not to” hear an argument – either from a campaign, or from a US State that literally has no other court to go to – when the locus of that argument is that (US Const.; Art. II; Sec. 1; Cls. 2,4) has been unlawfully “set aside” by state actors having no authority to do so.
Is the United States Constitution “the Supreme Law of the Land” all the time, or only when non-elected judges want it to be?
If a judge has the right to “utter” law, as Kings do, and if Governors and public health officials can imprison people in their own homes on pain of fine and arrest, then what we are left with as a nation is the very same tyranny which led to our nation being formed in the first place. It simply means that “the due process of law” is gone, as is the consent of the governed.
If you once lose “free and fair Presidential elections that are beyond question,” you never get it back. Just ask the Venezuelans …
“But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever.” – John Adams
I found an even better quote: (emphasis added)
“We should be unfaithful to ourselves if we should ever lose sight of the danger to our Liberties if anything partial or extraneous should infect the purity of our free, fair, virtuous, and independent elections. If an election is to be determined by a majority of a single vote, and that can be procured by a party through artifice or corruption, the Government may be the choice of a party for its own ends, not of the nation for the national good.”
– John Adams
POTUS actually has only one choice. Go hardcore now (finally) or go home.
Thank you. The election was stolen, full stop. It’s got to be taken back by force
Thank you.
https://twitter.com/EmeraldRobinson/status/1341080402358919169?s=20
Cipollone, according to Wikipedia – He was a law clerk for Judge Danny Boggs of the United States Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit from 1991–1992, and served as an assistant to Attorney General William P. Barr from 1992–1993.[6]
Cipollone was a partner at the law firm Kirkland & Ellis, and prior to taking over as White House Counsel was a partner at Stein, Mitchell, Cipollone, Beato & Missner, where he practiced commercial litigation.[7] His clients included President Donald Trump, Radio Ingraham LLC, and Sony Entertainment.[8]
Kirkland & Ellis= King & Spalding
Don’t get on an elevator with anyone
from either firm. When they fart it’s
swampgas.
Radio Ingraham LLC =
Trump needs to fire Cipollone….NOW…then have Barr and Wray clean out their desks, temporarily suspend their security clearances, and show them the door immediately! All three cannot be trusted!
Considering how our enemy is playing this game I wouldn’t expect the legal proper way through known historical paths to get us anywhere but a good show with hope that will fail at the end as planned.
Considering how Atrium county inspection of voting machines turned out and how AZ is now refusing access. I think there is some there there if we can get the equipment to inspect. DOJ/FBI routes are blocked by enemy control the courts are slow limited so that leaves the mil option. Out of the box and not good PR but its what we got.
I say go with it not martial law but some raids seizing the voting machines for inspection YES. Hell even a taking over the GA records to do a real freekin signature audit would be a good route also.
After the proof can be shown the rest of the insurrection act can be used to take enemy players off the field.
Norms were thrown out the window when our enemy literally burnt the rule book changing laws illegally, denying observers, and outright coordinated mass multi state FRAUD.
This isn’t queens rules anymore this is terrordome two man enter one man leave.
Completely agree. Democrats don’t want elections anymore. They don’t try to win with ideas anymore. They created the cancel culture for a reason. It is the communist way. Either use US marshals, military or homeland security to seize those machines and present the information to the American public. Biden only won less than 500 counties out of 3000 with a ton of voter fraud. The American public is on Trump side and he needs to use it.
US Marshals are appointed by the President. That is the organization that will be in charge, not the military.
Spot on Daniel. Part of one arm of the DOJ…. 🙂
Rush has been saying that for over a year now, the D RATS don’t want elections. And this past election proved it. I still say that Trump cannot let this happen. #1 if it is left to stand, then elections are over for this country. #2- If Biden gets in, they will destroy Trump and his family forever. So whatever Trump has in his bag of tricks he better start using them soon. And don’t forget, Fatboy Barr leaves office Wed. so can Trump name Sidney as Special Prosecutor?
I agree…feel like the Rudy’s way will fail but he needs to continue on; but so far Sydney has been more successful, so she must continue on. Why can’t both ways go on; why does POTUS or anyone on his team care what the press says about anything.
Please realize that so many of the good people of Georgia are loyal Trump supporters, but they cannot get the legislature to act. Most of the legislators would not even sign a petition to call the legislature into session without the governor calling for it. They are disgusted but ruled by Atlanta, unfortunately.
Steady Troops steady. This is Presidents Trumps style…letting opposing factions within his organization duke it out giving the external appearance of complete disarray. The enemy gloat and attempt to use it against him.They expose themselves and are overconfident. “ALL WARFARE IS BASED ON DECEPTION “.
All of these options are on the list and should be debated. In the comments section, President Trump supporters don’t have the slightest problem with martial law, or even all out war. The media isn’t separating us. The MSM has been pushing the dictator lie about PDJT, since the beginning. He has gone out of his way to squelch that argument. The point is, it’s a threat to the Democrats, and it is no bluff.
Joe Biden, can not and will not be our President.
That old adage comes to mind “loose lips sink ships”.
I have a feeling that January 6th is our last best hope. We all can do our part by
encouraging our congress critters to support the President and CHALLENGE the electors from the stolen states.
The only way to encourage Congress Critters ( Lindsey) is to be on the ground in Washington DC on Jan 6th. We all can see how well our Phone calls to Congress Critters for a common sense budget worked.
so is PT just toying with the press?he’s a new yorker,he knows the press all too well.could he purposefully be releasing this info,drip,drip drip.i still feel something is gonna hit the fan this weekend,24th declared fed holiday all offices shut down except for essential employee’s,good time for some raids if the buildings just have skeleton crews.AND barr’s last day is tomorrow.
I said it will be XMAS EVE, when all hell breaks loose. The D RATS will be all coked up, smoked up and drunk, never figuring Trump would do anything that day. That could be Trump’s crossing the Delaware moment in history along side Washington.
Wouldn’t that be a Xmas to remember and tell to your grand kids.
Thank you Sundance, this explanation is needed and we should support Trump and not devide. Demorats are great at sticking together and thats how they trimph, they devide the enemy but stick together. Lets not give them a win, lets stick together behind president Trump!
i would offer a bit of advice to Byrne. His continued openness on the WH meeting is weakening the effort to position the cyber team as an expert authority on election platform corruption. Even justified loose cannons cause unintended effects…
Yes
Who cares what the rags say. Trump is like a juggler with a bunch of pins in the air and knows exactly what his next move is. The enemy doesn’t have a clue.
The Constitution assumes the law will be followed by honest stewards. At some point we will uncover one of those hard to find needles in the haystack.
Pence is acting as a steward or judge and has the authority to judge whether the votes submitted are legal or not. This is how he defends and protects the Constitution and the Republic. If we find he is corrupt, then the law will deal with him at some point.
Only corrupted machines vote for democrats. No one in their right mind would. They are the party of corruption, lies, death, and deceit. They have to be stopped and made lawful or cease to exist.
The inside group needs to explain why we should stick to a strategy that is clearly failing and ignores the obvious fact that the US justice system is thoroughly and irredeemably corrupt. The outside group needs to explain why their strategy will not turn into a nationwide bloodbath and civil war – and why Joe Biden would not still be inaugurated because we already know from the inside group that there is no legal path to victory.
The courts and institutions of government/media are in a do-loop.
Is impounding and taking possession of the Dominion machines important? Yes, it would help.
Is it absolutely necessary to prove computer fraud? No.
Recall, the legal team has legal affidavits from IT experts that can explain how the steal happened.
They have outside analysis to show the statistical anomalies and prove the mathematical impossibilities (Example: Navarro Report & Patrick Byrne).
They will have shortly DNI Ratcliffe report on foreign interference and likely this report will incorporate the DOD intelligence gathering (the “Kraken”).
All of that bundled and shared with legislators is very compelling.
Would it be helpful to have a joint congressional hearing broadcast Nationally with PDJT Legal Team sharing this compelling data to Congress & Senate prior to January 6? Yes. Am I holding out hope that will happen? Absolutely not.
Those discussions will likely need to be strategic meetings to key GOP congress and senate.
About that ODNI report…
12/14 Ratcliffe: “It will be earth shattering.”
12/22 Ratcliffe: *crickets*
I’ve still not found an answer as to why Patrick Byrne is involved in this to begin with. He’s not a lawyer or gov’t worker so why is he in that meeting? I see no reason for him to be involved. And since he came out that meeting firing, once can only assume he’s there to disrupt, he’s agitprop. Prove me wrong.
This is not Byrne’s first rodeo….
Overstock.com’s former CEO last night claimed the FBI duped him in the ‘biggest scandal in American history’ and asked him to rekindle a relationship with a Russian agent.
He may have some credibility but he seems to go off half cocked in his approach.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7385913/Overstock-CEO-Patrick-Byrne-claims-duped-political-espionage.html
your question has been answered multiple times in various threads on this site including this one.
I am easily confused by too much information and have to do a “summary” to keep myself sane and centered. Here is my (current) summary of the reported fraud, completed with the help of the website ‘Every Legal Vote’:
https://everylegalvote.com/phd
VOTER Fraud PhD
1. Stopping the Count
2. Mail-in Ballots
3. No Witnesses Allowed
4. Too Many Voters
5. Changing The Vote
6. Imbalanced Votes
7. Dead People Voting
8. Ballot Mishandling
9. Statistical Analysis
a. Negative Vote count
b. Statistical analysis points out key election flaws
c. Population Percentages
d. Ballot Percentages
10. Media Fraud
11. Voter turnout close to 100%
12. Digital manipulation of ballots
13. Voting machines and software ‘glitches’
I hope this might be of value to the present discussion of the current legal election process.
Sundance has a way of cutting to the chase scene when complicated issues need to be explained. For my “deep dive” on current affairs, there is no place better than CTH. My daily news source is CFP. Sundance and the CTH are where I get my analysis of “what the hell just happened.”
He is adept at developing a ‘problem statement’…….from a 40000 foot view…. it’s an art
Why is Byrne in these meetings? Did Sidney Powell bring him? What for? Then he goes on an interview extravaganza. Surprised he didn’t make it to CNN! Are we to trust what Byrne says? What’s said in the Oval Office stays in the Oval Office.
How did we every wind up with a “public” servant (actually, many) who is “counsel” to the “Office of the Presidency” (whatever that means)?
It sounds to me like a lawyer without a client, who in effect represents nobody (an overall oxymoron). Where exactly does such a supposed function fit within our Constitutional system? Of course, it doesn’t fit at all.
Alleged agents of the “Office of the President” are among the many contenders for the dubious “deepest of the Deep State” distinction.
Poor Rudy. All the other lawyers laugh and call him names – unfortunately for good reasons. He really needs to retire and stay off TV.
Poor Tom, we laugh at you and call you “troll” – fortunately there are other places for you to comment. Try twitchy!
Twitchy is hilarious. Also truthful. Tom needs to go back to Daily Kos.
As I have said before, Antrim County Michigan did a forensic audit of their Dominion system and they found a 68% error rate. The law allows 1 error in 250,000 ballots! That 68% of errors had to be adjudicated by a person. There is NO AUDIT TRAIL of who or how they adjudicated those ballots. There was a race “flipped” in that county (this fact was redacted from the report by who knows?) ALL Dominion systems should have such an audit done on them IF there are any questions raised in those races. As the auditor said, these machines were DESGNED to change votes, and STEAL elections. I hope to H someone at the Whitehouse KNOWS this information.
Maybe they have found the guts in some Reps and Senators to make the House vote! That would be the quickest way, as each state delegation only gets 1 vote. The Republicans control the delegations so Trump would win. Maybe that’s why the “big surprise” is coming. That way they don’t have to rely on the supreme phony Roberts court.
An addition to the comment below. Rep Matt Gates of FL, and Senator Tom Cotton come to mind a people with enough guts to make this happen.
According to Rudy Giuliani on War Room this morning, President Trump is the calmest man in the room.
Team Trump is shoulder to the wheel, nose to the grindstone, working the State Legislatures. The SCOTUS case on Pennsylvania would be a bonus, the State Legislatures are the main show. Constitutional, grass-roots. We have low-hanging fruit in:
The Peter Navarro report shows the six basic irregularities that were coordinated across at least six states and is getting significant traction in the right places.
If you live in any of the above states – read the Navarro report call your Reps, call your State Senators, tell them you have their back, courage is contagious, recitfy those irregular (which means unlawful) Electors with a set of honest-vote Electors.
Unless there is some sort of Big Play that nets a huge number of bad actors, given how seemingly Herculean a task it is to even get evidence of election fraud heard (six+ weeks and counting and still no Discovery in any Court) and how well organized the steal and cover-up has been, I am beginning to doubt there is any point to a second term. Again, if he cannot net and jail a large number of bad actors, they will remain in place. The Establishment remains and will have won no matter who is in the WH.
So this is about much more than finding a way to win the Election somehow. The Establishment/Resistance has to be broken.
Sorry, but although hope springs eternal, truly, up to now I just don’t see it happening.
Just spit balling here
First, it is surprising the Byrne, with his history, is in high level meetings. Second it is surprising that he would state the case is weak.
That said, all major players agree that the machines need to be audited.
Martial law is not being considered to gain access to the machines. Jenna has suggested that the Insurrection Act would also not apply.
A special counsel could audit the machines
Trump cannot appoint a special council, that is done by the AG. The current AG and his successor will not appoint one.
Recess appointments normally take 10 days. In times of national calamity all that is required is 4 days for a recess appt. We have 4-day recess coming up.
Trump could appoint a new AG this weekend who in turn could appoint a special council, who in turn could audit the machines, which in turn could invalidate the electors.
If McConnell goes into recess…
If so, Sydney Powell for AG…
he won’t, BUT I believe the president can make temporary appts in some circumstances…
It has become apparent for some time, that the courts do not want to get in the middle of things. While there can be objections raised in Congress on the 6th, can this really stop it? Can Congress (Pence) really decide which set of electors to “recognize” from the contested states? If it comes down to a vote in Congress at the “objection” stage, you can bet not all republicans will support the objection (the club).
The only way, I see it, is that the legislatures in the respective contested states must formally recognize the Trump electors. So far there has been talk for weeks, but no real action. Some state republican legislative leaders say that they need to be “in session.” I believe that is an excuse as the US Constitution gives them full authority. They can put themselves into session for this purpose if they wanted.
In their minds, they must get rid of the outsider, no matter what or how, so that things can go back to “normal.” The state legislatures is where something will really happen, or not. Either way, we now know who is who – who is UniParty, and who is not. We need to put pressure on these state legislatures.
I don’t put much in what Byrne says. He has dubious credibility.
President Trump needs to revoke Biden’s security clearance and then get him under 270 EC votes by reminding states that certifying fraud is a serious felony with National Security implications if it leads to theft by conversion of a national election.
If you can’t cook stay out of the kitchen. Also F*#k the press.
A wounded lion is a very dangerous animal!
Our lion is still clawing, still roaring and still fighting the fight! I wouldn’t be counting the drapes yet Biden!
Amid the “chaos” is when our lion sees things the best and wins! MAGA!!
Everyone wondering what Patrick Byrne was doing there… you’re going to find out a lot more in the coming months that this election had a lot to do with blockchain. I’ll leave it at that.
Byrne has had his own group of hackers monitoring the election since 2018. DOJ has also been prosecuting fraud since then, and Byrne has cooperated with the FBI before. It’s not unreasonable that he has the president’s ear.
Coming months? We have less than a month before the communist take over.
After that, speak the truth and get arrested like Bannon, PapaD…
Chad Pergram getting info from Kristin Fisher, who is deep state/deep media.
I cannot imagine that anyone still serving in the WH would be advising Donald Trump to concede defeat. There is NO upside to that! Someone is purposely obfuscating the situation.
What a joke.They are talking about the Georgia run-off.Why bother with any more of this BS.Any election now will be more FRAUD.The mere fact that the election would be counted by the same machines used to CHEAT at the last election should give pause.And just WHY haven’t these machines been confiscated by know?AND just why hasn’t anyone mentioned something about these same machines being connected to the internet which is illegal in itself?That alone would make this whole thing null and void.