As we work through bugs associated with CTH 2.0 launch, consider this a thread to provide information, report user issues, ideas and concerns. Please read the information provided below as it might answer many questions in advance.
Today, December 2nd, was our official eviction date as established by WordPress/Automattic two weeks ago. Considering the scale of moving 11 years worth of data (56,000 articles, massive media file, 7.2 million comment library), the tech team did a great job.
That said, we anticipated some issues, are encountering others, and we are carefully working through a checklist.
First, we wanted to migrate the data and site in the least disruptive way to the CTH community that provided continuity and familiarity.
Despite the tech issues with the disconnect from WP/Automattic servers to our own proprietary server system, that overarching goal was achieved. Now we are getting into the weeds.
First, some background so everyone can understand the big picture issues. Obviously WordPress/Automattic wanted us gone; however, in hindsight the unspoken purpose and motive behind our eviction is now making a lot more sense.
Based on insider information, there were two distinct issues that merged; sunlight upon them is against the interests of massive multi-billion dollar organizations, but at CTH the truth has no agenda, so here’s the inside explanation as it appears.

♦ Ideology – As they said in their notification to deplatform, the “content” of CTH was against the terms of WordPress/Automattic. This is not really a surprise as Big Tech looks for any obtuse or obscure reason to silence voices that are not in political alignment with their goals. The decision by WP/Automattic is not surprising even if they would never publicly admit it. Quite simply, this battle has been going on for years and now it is at an inflection point. Alternates to the grip of Big Tech are starting to emerge, slowly.
♦ Business – In addition to the ideological nature of the motive, there is another element which has gained significant clarity in the past few weeks. Our CTH community did something WP/Automattic never expected… we were too successful.
The scale of the CTH reader and commenting community literally was/is a rebel alliance reeking havoc inside a host network that didn’t like our voice. Simultaneously, we were chewing up massive amounts of their server space and capacity. This is very interesting.
According to insiders who have reached out and shared their opinion, what CTH evolved into is far more than a simple blogging community. Essentially the metaphor provided is this: “you took a blog platform and built a mini FaceBook social media enterprise within it.” The CTH community, our extended global family of ragtag misfits, was/is using CTH as a network of like-minded friends to share and discuss information.
You might say well, isn’t that what a blogging community is all about… and the answer eleven years ago was a simple: yes. However, our assembly became much, much, much larger than a simple community.
The scale of having up to 25,000 simultaneous users is way beyond a simple blogging platform. CTH became a social media enterprise. Discussions, information sharing, networking and contact with each-other is what social media was all about.
The FaceBook social media model is essentially operating in our site. That’s an awesome outcome, but one WP/Automattic did not expect. In essence CTH hijacked the platform to create a social network.
All of that engagement costs the host (WP/Automattic) server space and massive amounts of bandwidth. Despite my paying for their hosting services (business plan), we were essentially living cheap, almost rent free, inside their platform. Once we realized this was also an element of concern, some prior work by WP/Automattic to control CTH made sense.
There is an interesting conversation happening in the coffee shops of Big Tech about this issue… WordPress/Automattic can never admit the unique financial problem that CTH created for them.
The business model for WP/Automattic is to sell the potential outcome of exactly what we achieved. WP/Automattic pitches their business plan by saying you can build a blogging community and share your voice.
Well, we took them up on that offer ten years ago and we built the biggest community within their system; a massive community. We did exactly what the marketing people at WP/Automattic say is possible… except we did it bigger than they ever imagined. Our success at achieving the scale of community created a problem they can never admit.
If WordPress/Automattic were to be honest now about the financial impact of users -like CTH- achieving success, they would be undercutting the entire marketing/advertising plan of their hosting platform.
The honest sales approach from WP/Automattic would be to say: we can provide you a platform, up until you achieve significant success; and then, it is in our financial interests, for you to leave. Obviously WP/Automattic would never sell their product if they were honest… so they look for reasons, any reasons, to control or eliminate the community. THAT appears to have been a big part of what drove their decision.
It was not a surprise that WP/Automattic kicked-us out immediately after they went into the market to get more money to expand operations. CTH was costing them money, perhaps a lot of money. As a consequence not only were they hosting a voice against their ideological interests, that voice was so big it was costing them money. Combine both factors and you get the insufferable excuse “your content” is against our interests.
Believe me, this financial ‘cost to host‘ issue is a big topic in the background of conversations in the tech industry. The hypocrisy of selling a product they do not really want to see succeed is a very interesting conversation. Sunlight upon this motive in the world of tech is kinda funny. The Automattic members can never allow this to be widely known; but the people within the machinery know exactly what the issues are.
♦ So, what does that mean to CTH 2.0? Well, we have a big server network hosting us right now – and it ain’t cheap (by a long shot). To give you an idea of how unique this situation is, they cannot even calculate the cost until they see the results over the next month or so.
This is uncharted territory. Our commenting community, specifically the number of simultaneous users, is essentially like a mini Facebook inside their server network. No-one has any idea how to manage this outside of pre-existing social media platforms that generate millions/billions in upfront revenue and construct proprietary and dedicated server farms.
It’s a good problem.. so everyone says.
It’s a good problem from the perspective of those who would love to monetize our network/community. However, that is not the purpose of our assembly.
To the extent our community will need money to securely exist and thrive safely, publicly and with privacy protections on an independent platform, that is ok. However, the true value in our community is our fellowship and the search for the truth.
♦ To the DETAILS:
The comment restoration function was a significant hurdle for a variety of reasons previously explained. One of the issues moving forward is the type of software that drives the comment function. We are trying to use the most private system possible that also provides security. The WordPress/Automattic system used a combination of proprietary creation and a system called JetPack.
Jetpack has some functional issues and is inherently connected to the comment function. When JetPack was uninstalled, it impacted the comment platform; that is why “likes” and the familiar embed Wavy avatars were lost. We are looking for alternate options that we can add to the site to restore those features and also add an edit button (if possible) to the comments. In the interim if you register a gravatar with your email address your custom avatar will follow you.
There is a comment system that most platforms are using called Disqus. If you let Disqus run ads in the comment space they provide the comment software free. However, Disqus does track users and I am not too happy with the privacy aspect. That would be a last resort, and only if they will set-up a custom privacy component.
If you are having issues with the comment feature or site access, feel free to provide feedback below and we will attempt to compile and/or assist as we move forward.
Love to all,
~ Sundance

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posting is really hit or miss.
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Post #3- seems that first and second not showing… trying again
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I think what would help many here is a refresher course on how to post. Many do not know that being hosted on a dedicated blogging site and being now at a hosted server are very different.
Show examples for creating external links. Some comment modules recognize html tags (ie <img src= ), others only forum tags (ie [href= ~~), and so on.
Also, explain that hosted or referenced image locations are different. For example, I could link to an image already on my own hosted site with
or forum code [image=”https://www.krown-products.net/CommonBanners/KPLoriginal-468×80.jpg”] … would be really helpful to know what format works for these pages. Some formats works and others won’t.Most people don’t have their own site and unless there is an upload feature, they could only use the url to an image from someone else’s website. Are you going to host images here? I think it would be helpful.
I added my site address to the Reply form and think it will make my screen name a link to my 3D model site just to check. These pointers would be good as you get the site smoothed out.
Furthermore, let everyone that accesses TCTH via phone or tablet, that there has to be a CSS (page style) header developed to reformat the blog/comments to fit a phone screen. I am sure once the bugs/features are finalized, a CSS will be available and automatically display properly based on browser/device these pages are viewed.
Hope this information is helpful.
Unable to use image tags the display images.
Also, website link (on screen name) opens over this page, but really should open in a new window. Ie Target= _new
Just an FYI
Is there a way to format the site to my phone?
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YAY I’m back!!! It’s good to be home.
Beautifully done, Sundance.
We need your voice, and our ability to be with each other.
Much work ahead.
Sundance/AdRem/Stella
I think what would help many here is a refresher course on how to post. Many do not know that being hosted on a dedicated blogging site and being now at a hosted server are very different.
Show examples for creating external links. Some comment modules recognize html tags (ie img src= ), others only forum tags (ie bracketed), and so on.
Also, explain that hosted or referenced image locations are different. For example, I could link to an image already on my own hosted site with (lesser sign)img src=”image url”(greater sign) or forum code (left bracket)image=”image url”(right bracket) … would be really helpful to know what format works for these pages. Some formats work and others won’t.
Most people don’t have their own site and unless there is an upload feature, they could only use the url to an image from someone else’s website. Are you going to host images here? I think it would be helpful.
I added my site address to the Reply form and think it will make my screen name a link to my 3D model site just to check. These pointers would be good as you get the site smoothed out.
Furthermore, let everyone that accesses TCTH via phone or tablet, that there has to be a CSS (page style) header developed to reformat the blog/comments to fit a phone screen. I am sure once the bugs/features are finalized, a CSS will be available and automatically display properly based on browser/device these pages are viewed.
Hope this information is helpful.
Is there a way to format the site to mobile?
I also want to see the site again in mobile format.
Is there a way to format the site for a mobile phone?
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Copy and pasted from image right click>Copy image location.
Can we get an ala-cart menu?
For instance: I really miss the link to home page at the bottom of each page, and a link to previous and next page of respective article at the bottom would be great. Can I order that for a $50 donation?
Congratulations Sundance and crew.
You have accomplished so much in such a short amount of time.
It’s really amazing!
I’m sure all the little kinks will get worked out in time.
Just so happy to read posts and comments again.
Thanks for all you do, Sundance.
This seems the proper place to add this thought that has been rattling around in my skull:
I really DONT miss the like button. When I post, I am contributing to the greater cause. And generally, I dont give a F what people think of me.
But, even I get a little of the endorphine rush off getting 27 likes for a very clever comment on a hot topic. That is not our purpose or reason here though.
I say, good riddance to the LIKE button. If you LIKE my comment so much that you provide supplimental research to my comment, that is a much stronger and valuable praise.
You really shouldn’t look at it like that, especially here. Think of it more as a ‘I found this post useful/helpful’
As I scroll through comments, I read more thoroughly a comment with more ‘Likes’, but that’s just me.
Yeah, I can see that too.
Yesterday I posted a test comment, which posted fine. Later, I re-checked comments in the presidential forum and they hadn’t advanced in hours, which seemed odd. A few hours later, all the comments were backfilled (like Biden votes). Later on, it was back to suspended animation, with posts stuck at 514 for hours.
Could be something I’m doing, I suppose–definitely NOT a tech guy!
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Hey all, so happy Sundance and The Treehouse are back! Thankyou Sundance for all of your hard work!
Amazing job Sundance.
Thank you from this Washington State Patriot.
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I too miss the notification bell for when someone replies to a comment. I also miss the “like” feature, and of course like Sundance mentioned, an “edit” feature would be nice for those occasional mistakes made during posting a comment. Other than that, it’s so nice be “Home” again.
Testing again. Sorry about that!
1…2…3 Trying to again thanks.
This is a special place. Glad to have a hangout again.
God Bless Treepers
Congratulations to Sundance & Co. for this achievement.
I’m having a couple problems with the new site.
It does not show, when reading comments the ‘next page’ forward link. ‘older comments’ do show, but it’s kinda wonky if a post has 4 pages of comments, to have to read them last page 1st, then 3rd page, 2nd page, & 1st page.
Another thing I always relied on was the link to the home page at the bottom of each page. Now I have to scroll all the way to the top to get back to the home page.
1 more thing I’ve noticed. You don’t have your header banner linked to your home page. (many times I’ve been lazy and would just click the picture to get back to the home page)
Thank you CTH Team! Go Truth!
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I comment rarely, around once or twice a year, have for maybe 3 years and each time I have gone into moderation and appear to stay there more often than not. Wondering if you could let me know what I am doing incorrectly so that my name and address is retained. I am from Australia if that makes any difference.
Howdy, my last email notification was “November 30th – 2020 Presidential Politics – Trump Administration Day #1411”. How do I get email notifications back?
1st kudos, thanks, and prayers for SD and everyone helping to make this work! The world is a better place with TCTH shining the light of truth!
Miss the mobile site format. Miss the “like” function. An up or down vote function would be an improvement if workable. Especially with trolls coming out of the woodwork. The WP dashboard to track responses to our comments was nice, but not high priority. Gotta keep looking forward not back! God bless and keep us every one!
Testing…. job well done by Sundance and Team.
CTH, this is just to say that even from here in continental Europe, CTH is my first stop in the mornings to get proper news about the USA rather than what the media are spouting. Very glad to know you are getting your new site working. Best wishes..
I just love reading comments from our overseas readers. A great perspective usually.
I am posting from overseas, so always behind my VPN. I am not sure your system will allow this so I count this as a test post. Hope it works.
It did.
Hooray!! It worked. And with my avatar, no less!!
It’s December 3 2:07am ET and I do not see your December 3 posts for the Open Thread or the President Trump thread on either my iPhone or PC. I’ve observed more problems on my iPhone. For most of today I was stuck at your website version as of a little after 9 AM ET. Then late afternoon I reached a current version of the website. That version showed additional comments a little more than an hour later which greatly encouraged me. However about an hour after that I was back at this morning’s version of the website. I have to assume at this point it’s not my phone or computer since I am seeing current data at times. I wish you success. You must be pulling out your hair. Thanks for all of your hard work.
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WP decided that my username doesn’t exist anymore, which is fine. I’ve posted twice without them. (I think)!
I’m super happy that the transfers were successful. I’m happy CTH is back on board without losing so much valuable information.
I’m not checking in so much because I need 2 hands with my phone (to view horizontally, then stretch the sentences out)… I liked (USED) the moblie option. This has been a disappointment because Sundance has often researched a subject/ topic & Treepers run with it and provide links and/ or just thoughts. I’ve gained a lot of information/ direction from the CTH community.
It’s a drag to avoid reading more because it’s too small of a font now.
I’ll take a look at my computer aspect next. It just isn’t how I’ve attained information for the last years.
Praying.
I was slammed here by a poster called spren, then both ad REM and menagerie piled on.
I was just giving my experience on the posting debacle. Not to criticism them on their efforts to get things right.
So, now Sundance has acknowledged that. I’m tired of these knee jerk reactions. The site has problems and as I have said repeatedly, it needs to get it sorted. I am confident they know this, but this message is proof my concerns are not just me.
Will @spren ever apologise? No way. That is how this blog rolls. It’s like the CCP bots who post attacks, just because they can on our social media.
We love you, A2, and value your insight from your far away branch. Embrace that, and ignore the trolls.
I read every comment made by A2. He is a stalwart of CTH. Thousands read without ever commenting. I haven’t posted a comment until yesterday after perhaps three years. I read every day, several times a day. Many people do.
The story about Automattic’s dilemma was amusing yet somewhat creepy, like hearing a story about a dog trying to give birth to a pony.
Testing image posting using html tags:
Attempt at a straight embedded HTML IMG tag:
Nope. S/W guys would need to give us an escape character. Is probably more an issue of what is filtered when forming the post data record.
Will email subscriptions be automatically restored in the future? Or will we need to subscribe again?
Testing. If this works, it’s great to be back!
I’m a huge fan. Come to CTH several times a day. Bless your heart and thank God you’re here.
Are you the same KAG from CFP? Jut ask N.
On the old CTH at the bottom of each page was a “Last Refuge” link that I found useful.
Would it be possible to reinstate that link?
There are lots of options for how sites use Disqus. You might look at how ZDNet.com & RedState.com are using it for instance. But, take your time to evaluate all available options.
As for the overall site look on mobile now, looks like it defaults to desktop view. It makes it easier to see other information in sidebar, and you need to expand the article to read comfortably. And typing this now, is very small print, which can’t be expanded without going off screen. It’s workable, so not complaining.
Folks pining for the WP features they miss are tone deaf? It seems somewhat disingenuous to be asking SD to somehow cobb together a system to make it work like WP.
Age old issue but, does anyone actually read the entirety of his posts? Most of these “issues” he has discussed.
I know I will get flamed because “he asked us what we wanted” but if you read his words requests like “Will email subscriptions be automatically restored in the future? Or will we need to subscribe again?” would not be necessary (he covered this). Oh well, new day and same old same old.
Thought maybe the absence of the site and possible jeopardy would cause folks to actually read SD’s words but doesn’t seem like it. Read the post title and start posting away.
PS I love the site and could care less about the minutia as at least, I can get SD’s take on current events.
Thank you for this. So many questions would be answered if people would read the posts.
I can’t figure out how to register to comment. I have never commented before so I wasn’t previously registered with WordPress. How do I do it with CTH2.0?
Discus would be much better. It’s almost universal and although it has limitations it has useful editing features.
Go to WordPress to register with them if you want, otherwise you’ll have to type in your email and screen name when you comment.
Hi Menagerie… this is way better than WordPress, IMO
Can’t seem to be able to download the mobile site on my Android.
Can anyone tell me how to do this (and not see the desktop site)?
Thanks
Just tried to post but it did not appear
Seems to be a distinct lagtime between submitting posts until they appear.