As we work through bugs associated with CTH 2.0 launch, consider this a thread to provide information, report user issues, ideas and concerns. Please read the information provided below as it might answer many questions in advance.
Today, December 2nd, was our official eviction date as established by WordPress/Automattic two weeks ago. Considering the scale of moving 11 years worth of data (56,000 articles, massive media file, 7.2 million comment library), the tech team did a great job.
That said, we anticipated some issues, are encountering others, and we are carefully working through a checklist.
First, we wanted to migrate the data and site in the least disruptive way to the CTH community that provided continuity and familiarity.
Despite the tech issues with the disconnect from WP/Automattic servers to our own proprietary server system, that overarching goal was achieved. Now we are getting into the weeds.
First, some background so everyone can understand the big picture issues. Obviously WordPress/Automattic wanted us gone; however, in hindsight the unspoken purpose and motive behind our eviction is now making a lot more sense.
Based on insider information, there were two distinct issues that merged; sunlight upon them is against the interests of massive multi-billion dollar organizations, but at CTH the truth has no agenda, so here’s the inside explanation as it appears.

♦ Ideology – As they said in their notification to deplatform, the “content” of CTH was against the terms of WordPress/Automattic. This is not really a surprise as Big Tech looks for any obtuse or obscure reason to silence voices that are not in political alignment with their goals. The decision by WP/Automattic is not surprising even if they would never publicly admit it. Quite simply, this battle has been going on for years and now it is at an inflection point. Alternates to the grip of Big Tech are starting to emerge, slowly.
♦ Business – In addition to the ideological nature of the motive, there is another element which has gained significant clarity in the past few weeks. Our CTH community did something WP/Automattic never expected… we were too successful.
The scale of the CTH reader and commenting community literally was/is a rebel alliance reeking havoc inside a host network that didn’t like our voice. Simultaneously, we were chewing up massive amounts of their server space and capacity. This is very interesting.
According to insiders who have reached out and shared their opinion, what CTH evolved into is far more than a simple blogging community. Essentially the metaphor provided is this: “you took a blog platform and built a mini FaceBook social media enterprise within it.” The CTH community, our extended global family of ragtag misfits, was/is using CTH as a network of like-minded friends to share and discuss information.
You might say well, isn’t that what a blogging community is all about… and the answer eleven years ago was a simple: yes. However, our assembly became much, much, much larger than a simple community.
The scale of having up to 25,000 simultaneous users is way beyond a simple blogging platform. CTH became a social media enterprise. Discussions, information sharing, networking and contact with each-other is what social media was all about.
The FaceBook social media model is essentially operating in our site. That’s an awesome outcome, but one WP/Automattic did not expect. In essence CTH hijacked the platform to create a social network.
All of that engagement costs the host (WP/Automattic) server space and massive amounts of bandwidth. Despite my paying for their hosting services (business plan), we were essentially living cheap, almost rent free, inside their platform. Once we realized this was also an element of concern, some prior work by WP/Automattic to control CTH made sense.
There is an interesting conversation happening in the coffee shops of Big Tech about this issue… WordPress/Automattic can never admit the unique financial problem that CTH created for them.
The business model for WP/Automattic is to sell the potential outcome of exactly what we achieved. WP/Automattic pitches their business plan by saying you can build a blogging community and share your voice.
Well, we took them up on that offer ten years ago and we built the biggest community within their system; a massive community. We did exactly what the marketing people at WP/Automattic say is possible… except we did it bigger than they ever imagined. Our success at achieving the scale of community created a problem they can never admit.
If WordPress/Automattic were to be honest now about the financial impact of users -like CTH- achieving success, they would be undercutting the entire marketing/advertising plan of their hosting platform.
The honest sales approach from WP/Automattic would be to say: we can provide you a platform, up until you achieve significant success; and then, it is in our financial interests, for you to leave. Obviously WP/Automattic would never sell their product if they were honest… so they look for reasons, any reasons, to control or eliminate the community. THAT appears to have been a big part of what drove their decision.
It was not a surprise that WP/Automattic kicked-us out immediately after they went into the market to get more money to expand operations. CTH was costing them money, perhaps a lot of money. As a consequence not only were they hosting a voice against their ideological interests, that voice was so big it was costing them money. Combine both factors and you get the insufferable excuse “your content” is against our interests.
Believe me, this financial ‘cost to host‘ issue is a big topic in the background of conversations in the tech industry. The hypocrisy of selling a product they do not really want to see succeed is a very interesting conversation. Sunlight upon this motive in the world of tech is kinda funny. The Automattic members can never allow this to be widely known; but the people within the machinery know exactly what the issues are.
♦ So, what does that mean to CTH 2.0? Well, we have a big server network hosting us right now – and it ain’t cheap (by a long shot). To give you an idea of how unique this situation is, they cannot even calculate the cost until they see the results over the next month or so.
This is uncharted territory. Our commenting community, specifically the number of simultaneous users, is essentially like a mini Facebook inside their server network. No-one has any idea how to manage this outside of pre-existing social media platforms that generate millions/billions in upfront revenue and construct proprietary and dedicated server farms.
It’s a good problem.. so everyone says.
It’s a good problem from the perspective of those who would love to monetize our network/community. However, that is not the purpose of our assembly.
To the extent our community will need money to securely exist and thrive safely, publicly and with privacy protections on an independent platform, that is ok. However, the true value in our community is our fellowship and the search for the truth.
♦ To the DETAILS:
The comment restoration function was a significant hurdle for a variety of reasons previously explained. One of the issues moving forward is the type of software that drives the comment function. We are trying to use the most private system possible that also provides security. The WordPress/Automattic system used a combination of proprietary creation and a system called JetPack.
Jetpack has some functional issues and is inherently connected to the comment function. When JetPack was uninstalled, it impacted the comment platform; that is why “likes” and the familiar embed Wavy avatars were lost. We are looking for alternate options that we can add to the site to restore those features and also add an edit button (if possible) to the comments. In the interim if you register a gravatar with your email address your custom avatar will follow you.
There is a comment system that most platforms are using called Disqus. If you let Disqus run ads in the comment space they provide the comment software free. However, Disqus does track users and I am not too happy with the privacy aspect. That would be a last resort, and only if they will set-up a custom privacy component.
If you are having issues with the comment feature or site access, feel free to provide feedback below and we will attempt to compile and/or assist as we move forward.
Love to all,
~ Sundance

Be assured that whatever, and however you work thru all of this minefield, WE THE PEOPLE” will continue to read,think about and act on the information you present. Your track record for presenting the TRUTH is impeccable. Let us know how we can help.
In for the long haul,
Molon Labe
So true Neil Streech.
Perhaps instead of donating to Rona and her RINO’s we can give some of that money to Sundance and the Treehouse.
I think that is a great idea. I would sign up for a subscription service to CTH.
Ditto.
And I am VERY frugal.
I didn’t realize how much I rely on the CTH for my daily news until it was unavailable.
Thankful for CTH 2.0 and all those that labored to bring us this vital resource.
me too..where else do you go for news?
OANN, Epoch Times, Whatfinger.
CTH is definitely the go to.
I watch Lou Dobbs – only on streaming since I dumped cable.
Like. There’s no place like the treehouse.
I was able to comment earlier, but paging to older comments doesn’t register all. I page back one and it says 67 comments and shows 3, then page back another page it might say 147 comments but show 2, etc. Never the full collection.
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Can’t wait for the mobile version too!
I have not read all of the comments, but has this been addressed?? I am mobile only.
Also mobile only, really miss that format. I hope it will be available for the new site soon. Is the Donate function on the new site set up? Still with PayPal?
I’m able to read comments… 1000% better than before as I was seeing zero comments before 🙂 Life is good!
This is great! Thank you Sundance!
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I am having a problem paging back to older comments and then forward to newer comments.
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I am so happy I finally found everyone!
Will ‘liking’ posts come back eventually?
There are php developers out there who can build you custom plugins for all this stuff you need.
And this makes total sense, sever costs must have been astronomical and they had to dedicate people to deal with this site. Wonder how many you red-pilled?
Comment pagination is not working correctly.
Yes if you back there is maybe one comment and if you go back more than one page you can’t move forward to newer comments and it’s a dead end.
I agree. I have seen a variety of number of posts on the same blog piece. Sometimes I get stuck on say ‘441’ when I have just seen it over 700. I also have to clear cache and cookies, turn machine totally off, turn on again and enter
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/12/02 or whatever date. Still don’t know if this reply will post. Am I missing a special login function that I should be doing first just to post a comment? I can’t see where that is. I might get the Helen Keller award for being obtuse.
Should this comment post, then all is well and happy to be here with this community.
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I can understand the page to previous comments being small.
Smaller bites means faster response.
Ahhhh. No more CTH withdrawal.
I glad you made it back Sundance. Great new site
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Congratulations Sundance!
Hope this works on my end. Not a fan of Discus…..however.
Missed You and my friends here and hope it isn’t server
requirements that destroy it.
As of the last few days, I am no longer receiving CTH E-mails.
The new site seems to work very well. It was/is a little slow from time to time in posting a comment. At first it didn’t seem to recognize me but I was just persistent and now everything seems to be normal. I think I will wait a few days before I try the avatar change. New bookmark works fine. I think it is a very smooth transfer of a lot of information.
Is the mobile website version no longer available? If so, please advise how to access using iPhone. Thank you.
*If it is available…(not If so…)
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Am I in the right place?
Yes you are, hop on a branch.
Can you hear me now
It would be nice to get the “like” button back…but I would try to stay away from Disqus
Disqus is a cesspool…spam, troll, breitbart style personal attacks, etc
Agree 100% with you!
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Thank you for all your hard work, Sundance!
Testing to see if this works.
This post is a test.
My comments don’t seem to be appearing. Does anyone see this comment?
yes, I see it, Hardwicke
Yes, I see your comment.
It’s now showing up for me as well. It took hours for some reason.
We see it in the South!
Of course I realize you’re working through the process and know it takes time, but I’m curious about a few things…
Will the “feature thing” that shows replies / likes to our individual posts be back?
Will there be a new log in for this new site or will our old WordPress information continue to work? (or has that been done already and our old info has been transferred to here)
Will the “like” feature be back, and can we finally have an edit feature?
Oh, and thank you for all the hard work in getting this site up and working
How do I get an avatar or upload a picture I wish to use for it?
I have been on here at CTH since it started 11 years ago but have never been able to comment as word press wouldn’t allow it. I tried and tried and tried setting up an account but it never worked for me. Now I can comment. Yay!!! Love this place.
Testing, thank you everyone for all your hard work!
1-Most of the time when trying to post and hitting the post comment button it just says submitting and goes no further and received a failed submission (code) but showed no code.
2- all day long I’ve had to clear cookies and cache every time I’ve attempted to post.
3-can’t reply to anyone’s comment
4-have had to clear cache and cookies to get the latest post to appear otherwise it would go to the Presidential post.
5- the Sidney Powell and Lin Wood rally feed was horrible and continued freezing (RSB issues) ?
6-when attempting to post my own pictures it goes to WP website.
Loud and clear.. but not sure if this is 2.0 or old site.
Wonder if the old server (WordPress) will ride in on the tailwind?
Does anyone know?
This is new site.
How do I get the emails when a new post is made? I don’t see anywhere to sign up; or is this coming and I just need to be patient?
Not a comment feature or site access, a suggestion that is very minor and at the bottom of the priority list.
On old site, I could click on the top brickwall banner and go “home”, regardless of where I was within the site. I did find the Home tab after that click-by-habit didn’t work. Lol. Like I said, not a priority.
What is more important, I can read and comment no problem. Posting images in a comment still needs to be figured out (by me, not your problem!)
I’m on a laptop Windows 10 on Firefox, if that is needed information. I rarely access from any other device.
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Comments work OK on desktop but on phone not so good. Navigation (older/newer comments) not showing correctly, many comments not displayed and number of comments in headers varying page-to-page.
As pointed out by many, the CTH “mobile experience” is suboptimal, looks like desktop site, nearly impossible (or a pain) reading article text, comments, etc. (I’m guessing “mobile” parts of prior CSS are missing, need to be revised for new site?…)
Working well! Thanks for the extraordinary effort Sundance and team!
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Good to hear from you Sundance. And on all of the deeper issues behind your the WordPress server move. The CTH is crossing the Rubicon.
I am still having problems finding the new site. Sometimes it’s available and sometimes it takes me back to yesterday’s posts. I’ve cleared the cookies, etc. each time and it’s a roll of the dice if I can locate it.
We trust you will get er done.
I’m relieved to see Treepers commenting. That’s great.
Hope that “like” and “edit” is in the future.
I’m old and still learning. Best to you and yours.
Does anyone know if there is a newer post than this?
There is not. The way to be sure is to go to Sundance’s twitter. He tweets each new article on there.
Growing pains at this point but will be back soon.
Yy4u checking in
Yes there is. 🙁
Every time I log on everything is different. Sometimes the latest articles show up, sometimes they don’t. Sometimes I can see the comments, sometimes (like right now) I can’t. Posting this just to see if the comments will now show up for me.
And by the way, the only way I got to this article this time around was going through Sundance’s twitter link…..
Cheers to all! It’s a grand adventure!
Having the exact same issues Larry. Up until about a half hour ago I was able to see the latest articles and the comments.
Came back again a few minutes ago and the newest article appearing was the 12/2 Presidential thread and could not see comments.
Also went through Sundance’s twitter to get back to this article. Initially once again could not see comments until I clicked on a comment under Recent Comments and then comments appeared.
It’s all good! Sundance and team have done an amazing job getting everything moved over to the new platform in record time.
I’m so grateful for this site…..I live some of my Best Life right here on this Treehouse.
Same here. Everything looks good at one point, then not updating the next. I keep checking twitter to see latest posts because it seems to take half a day or so for the website to update for me.
Same here.
Having the same issues.
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