As we work through bugs associated with CTH 2.0 launch, consider this a thread to provide information, report user issues, ideas and concerns. Please read the information provided below as it might answer many questions in advance.
Today, December 2nd, was our official eviction date as established by WordPress/Automattic two weeks ago. Considering the scale of moving 11 years worth of data (56,000 articles, massive media file, 7.2 million comment library), the tech team did a great job.
That said, we anticipated some issues, are encountering others, and we are carefully working through a checklist.
First, we wanted to migrate the data and site in the least disruptive way to the CTH community that provided continuity and familiarity.
Despite the tech issues with the disconnect from WP/Automattic servers to our own proprietary server system, that overarching goal was achieved. Now we are getting into the weeds.
First, some background so everyone can understand the big picture issues. Obviously WordPress/Automattic wanted us gone; however, in hindsight the unspoken purpose and motive behind our eviction is now making a lot more sense.
Based on insider information, there were two distinct issues that merged; sunlight upon them is against the interests of massive multi-billion dollar organizations, but at CTH the truth has no agenda, so here’s the inside explanation as it appears.

♦ Ideology – As they said in their notification to deplatform, the “content” of CTH was against the terms of WordPress/Automattic. This is not really a surprise as Big Tech looks for any obtuse or obscure reason to silence voices that are not in political alignment with their goals. The decision by WP/Automattic is not surprising even if they would never publicly admit it. Quite simply, this battle has been going on for years and now it is at an inflection point. Alternates to the grip of Big Tech are starting to emerge, slowly.
♦ Business – In addition to the ideological nature of the motive, there is another element which has gained significant clarity in the past few weeks. Our CTH community did something WP/Automattic never expected… we were too successful.
The scale of the CTH reader and commenting community literally was/is a rebel alliance reeking havoc inside a host network that didn’t like our voice. Simultaneously, we were chewing up massive amounts of their server space and capacity. This is very interesting.
According to insiders who have reached out and shared their opinion, what CTH evolved into is far more than a simple blogging community. Essentially the metaphor provided is this: “you took a blog platform and built a mini FaceBook social media enterprise within it.” The CTH community, our extended global family of ragtag misfits, was/is using CTH as a network of like-minded friends to share and discuss information.
You might say well, isn’t that what a blogging community is all about… and the answer eleven years ago was a simple: yes. However, our assembly became much, much, much larger than a simple community.
The scale of having up to 25,000 simultaneous users is way beyond a simple blogging platform. CTH became a social media enterprise. Discussions, information sharing, networking and contact with each-other is what social media was all about.
The FaceBook social media model is essentially operating in our site. That’s an awesome outcome, but one WP/Automattic did not expect. In essence CTH hijacked the platform to create a social network.
All of that engagement costs the host (WP/Automattic) server space and massive amounts of bandwidth. Despite my paying for their hosting services (business plan), we were essentially living cheap, almost rent free, inside their platform. Once we realized this was also an element of concern, some prior work by WP/Automattic to control CTH made sense.
There is an interesting conversation happening in the coffee shops of Big Tech about this issue… WordPress/Automattic can never admit the unique financial problem that CTH created for them.
The business model for WP/Automattic is to sell the potential outcome of exactly what we achieved. WP/Automattic pitches their business plan by saying you can build a blogging community and share your voice.
Well, we took them up on that offer ten years ago and we built the biggest community within their system; a massive community. We did exactly what the marketing people at WP/Automattic say is possible… except we did it bigger than they ever imagined. Our success at achieving the scale of community created a problem they can never admit.
If WordPress/Automattic were to be honest now about the financial impact of users -like CTH- achieving success, they would be undercutting the entire marketing/advertising plan of their hosting platform.
The honest sales approach from WP/Automattic would be to say: we can provide you a platform, up until you achieve significant success; and then, it is in our financial interests, for you to leave. Obviously WP/Automattic would never sell their product if they were honest… so they look for reasons, any reasons, to control or eliminate the community. THAT appears to have been a big part of what drove their decision.
It was not a surprise that WP/Automattic kicked-us out immediately after they went into the market to get more money to expand operations. CTH was costing them money, perhaps a lot of money. As a consequence not only were they hosting a voice against their ideological interests, that voice was so big it was costing them money. Combine both factors and you get the insufferable excuse “your content” is against our interests.
Believe me, this financial ‘cost to host‘ issue is a big topic in the background of conversations in the tech industry. The hypocrisy of selling a product they do not really want to see succeed is a very interesting conversation. Sunlight upon this motive in the world of tech is kinda funny. The Automattic members can never allow this to be widely known; but the people within the machinery know exactly what the issues are.
♦ So, what does that mean to CTH 2.0? Well, we have a big server network hosting us right now – and it ain’t cheap (by a long shot). To give you an idea of how unique this situation is, they cannot even calculate the cost until they see the results over the next month or so.
This is uncharted territory. Our commenting community, specifically the number of simultaneous users, is essentially like a mini Facebook inside their server network. No-one has any idea how to manage this outside of pre-existing social media platforms that generate millions/billions in upfront revenue and construct proprietary and dedicated server farms.
It’s a good problem.. so everyone says.
It’s a good problem from the perspective of those who would love to monetize our network/community. However, that is not the purpose of our assembly.
To the extent our community will need money to securely exist and thrive safely, publicly and with privacy protections on an independent platform, that is ok. However, the true value in our community is our fellowship and the search for the truth.
♦ To the DETAILS:
The comment restoration function was a significant hurdle for a variety of reasons previously explained. One of the issues moving forward is the type of software that drives the comment function. We are trying to use the most private system possible that also provides security. The WordPress/Automattic system used a combination of proprietary creation and a system called JetPack.
Jetpack has some functional issues and is inherently connected to the comment function. When JetPack was uninstalled, it impacted the comment platform; that is why “likes” and the familiar embed Wavy avatars were lost. We are looking for alternate options that we can add to the site to restore those features and also add an edit button (if possible) to the comments. In the interim if you register a gravatar with your email address your custom avatar will follow you.
There is a comment system that most platforms are using called Disqus. If you let Disqus run ads in the comment space they provide the comment software free. However, Disqus does track users and I am not too happy with the privacy aspect. That would be a last resort, and only if they will set-up a custom privacy component.
If you are having issues with the comment feature or site access, feel free to provide feedback below and we will attempt to compile and/or assist as we move forward.
Love to all,
~ Sundance

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Test – hi all. Great to be back!
Uh oh – how do I change my sign in name to what it used to be?
When you sign in use your user name in the Name box.
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Sundance broke WordPress/Automattic!
Ironic that “the content” other WP blogs have doesn’t make them the biggest by a long shot, but the Truth with No Agenda via Sundance does.
That Big Tech coffeehouse convo is worth considering. What might the margin differential by ideology be? Leftist talk radio never made a dime. Cable and satellite have Must Carry, so they are artificial. Parler and Gab must be doing well. But the sewer at Twitter? Foreign investors. Gotta be hemoraging cash.
The Left is wasting and laundering a lot of money in desperate attempts to keep a grip on that fistful of sand. Slipping right thru their fingers…
Uh oh. How do I change my sign in name?
Learned there were 70-million comments the past 10-years. How can I find my past comment I posted even a week ago?
“How can I find my past comment I posted even a week ago?”
Keep a log/journal as you comment in a word processor. Record date and URL of your comment. There is a date and time under your “user name”. Right click that and select “copy link location”. Your comment’s hyperlink will look like this:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/12/02/cth-2-0-site-status-update-information-user-issue-reporting-thread/comment-page-6/#comment-7296119
Copy and paste that link into your log/journal, along with a sentence or two from your post that best describes the comment. You will need that in the future to find it without clicking each link.
You can do what D_I suggests, but there’s an even simpler way.
Just make a subfolder somewhere in your browser’s bookmark list, and save bookmarks of all your posts to it. The date under your user name on each comment contains a link to that comment, so on a PC, just mouse over that date, right click, and choose whatever context menu item says “bookmark this link”.
In your case for this post, it’s the gray text that says “December 2, 2020 at 9:07 pm “
Nice work Sundance. Proud to be a member of a blog that disrupts Big Tech. Maybe the model you describe is why Twitter has to sensor conservatives. Doesn’t match their ideology so can’t let it get too popular and takeover the narrative.
The only tech issue I have is with the iPhone/android version. Print is too small to read. I assume it is because it is just a condensed version of the PC version. Thanks for the diligent work in working out the bugs and Godspeed. No doubt the ongoing liberal craziness will ensure more and more members and the political leverage that comes with it. Stop The Steal and MAGA!
Sundance mentioned that they will updating the templates/UX to fix the small text etc.
In the meantime, maybe reader view on your phone’s browser? Works on iPhone Aafari.
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Ok. now I get it.
I have to go to gravatar and login there first.
Then I can fill in the screen name and email on CTH2.0 comment form.
Then post a comment.
All is well here!
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OK, just checking in with a test.
Still trying at this point but expect to be back to normal soon,
I am going to have to resubscribe?
I have not received any blog updates via email 🙁
email updates not yet set up.
There are privacy issues I am not conceding on.
“privacy issues I am not conceding on.”
Thank you.
It has been so many days. I have missed every one
God Bless
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How do you change the image of your posting icon to a custom photo?
If you read towards the end of sundance post, he shares how to do so with a link.
It is in the post (towards the end)
“In the interim if you register a gravatar with your email address your custom avatar will follow you.”
https://en.gravatar.com
My other reply did post as a response
My only complaint is on my android device I’m looking at the PC website version.
Welcome back.
No mobile site on iPhone either.
How do you find past comments I have made?
It is in the post
“In the interim if you register a gravatar with your email address your custom avatar will follow you.”
https://en.gravatar.com
Yy4u checking in.
Night of launch could not. Kept getting a request to prove I wasnt a robot with no link.
Then comments were turned off.
Posted above as a reply which may or may not be there so am posting here to see if it shows up
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Thank you for all your hard work. I would be lost without this site. It is my refuge where I feel at home. Regarding the high cost of maintaining this site, would it be appropriate to make a yearly donation? Perhaps that is what we could all do to help you. ?
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Working out the bugs. Patience is a much required attribute during all this. It is getting better. In the meantime I will be in the watch tower……….
You guys have done a great job!
Just checking in…
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seems some new fields to fill in but I will click the ‘save’ box
The only thing I have noticed so far (not related to this site) is when you post links to articles here on Twitter, it has gibberish formatting characters in the post title e.g.:
CTH 2.0 Site Status Update, Information, User Issue Reporting Thread…
The … text shows up in the Twitter post. You are probably aware, and it’s a small issue but figured I would chime in with that. Thank you.
I have no complaints. I miss the little “bell” notification that someone has responded to a comment or “liked” a comment, but if I have to forfeit that, there is no long term harm. I am thrilled the content is here and we are able to share comments. One baby step for man, one giant step for mankind as I see it. I am not tech savvy so perhaps others are getting the bell notification. If so, please help me navigate. Thanks to everyone for your patience with people like me.
I have only been able to access on iPhone only I am not able to access new site on computer even though I have repeatedly clear cache and history. Hoping in time that will be resolved.
Different results on different platforms. On Win 10, still having problems with accessing the current stream after entering https://www.theconservativetreehouse.com. It seems to resolve to a not-most-recent post, lately the UPDATE: with the apology. I can always get the current posts by going through SD’s Twitter posts.
On m iPhone, I was having the same problem as the above, but seem to have solved it (for now) my deleting CTH from my “favorites” list and re-establishing it after manually entering the site URL.
On my iPad, it seeems to be working fine at this time.
Comments are variable. Sometimes I see an invitation to leave a comment. This usually works, and also reveals the previous comments which heretofore were hidden. Other times no comments are visible but appear after I click the entry listing the number of comments. This also reveals a comment entry dialog.
Keep up the good work! Blessing your efforts!
On your iphone, are you able to view the “mobile version”? I can only view the “desktop version”.????
So happy to be back in the Treehouse again! Was getting anxious for a while. Thank you Sundance, ad rems & all tech peeps who made this transition happen. Things will get better & better on this site. God bless all
Completely agree! The funny thing is, while the treehouse was moving, we were having dead and too close to the house trees on our land cleared. They finished today, thank God for both!
Thanks Sundance.
Here are a couple of small things
1. Page Refresh is needed to get current posts. I am guessing that it is a server or edge server issue. Cached pages may need a shorter reset cycle.
I appear to be back to real time, and no longer stuck at 930 am. Also the upload speed is instant, no delay at all like it was weeks, months and years ago.
Added the sign in remembers me, so there is that also.
Lol, we got to big for the britches they decided we were allowed to wear. Great job patriots! 🙂
Tweet embed test with blockquote and href tags… I think Tweet and YouTube embeds in comments are a WP dot com thing. Might be a plugin to do it, not sure.
I skipped the script tag, but will test again with the full embed chunk… I see now that the script tag refers to widgets.js, which does the embedding. Wouldn’t expect the script tag to not get filtered…
Thanks Sundance and all Treepers. I appreciate your company
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Psst….I swapped our your username for you RL name.
Bless you, Ad rem!
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For those that rarely comment, it’s nice to only have to provide a Name and Email address in order to do so.
For those of us that want the extra Bells & Whistles, it seems we should have to set-up a CTH 2.0 account so that again we could login and use the extra features. It seems to me that extra features which drive up costs should be paid for by those that use them. In essences an account would be a subscription and if it is not renewed, then the extra features, used by that account, and the associated costs, go away with it leaving only the comments in place and an inactive account which could be reactivated with a renewed subscription.
Features I’d pay for, depending on the Subscription cost:
– Ability to import a jpeg to use as an avatar.
– A reply notice and a way to unfollow old comments.
– A way to find old comments even if not replied to.
– An easy way to privately contact other subscribers with an easy way to accept/decline contact requests.
– Ability to donate within a subscription with lots of options for how and when recurring donations occur and stop such as date or when subscription lapses.
Hopefully these are the type of features the number crunchers are working on. Thanks them for me.
No need to reply to me since I’ll not be able to find this comment once I post it.
If I shine your shoes could I earn extra credit?
Not sure if the logistics would make sense, I only have one pair that takes polish and haven’t worn them in years. Then there is travel or shipped costs that need to be considered.
Shining shoes was one of the first ways I earned money as a child so I’m not opposed. However, you’re not inquiring about earning money, you’re asking about extra credit so I need more information before I can give you a meaningful answer.
As a side note; I figured out that I can bookmark a comment right after I post it and that way I can find it later.
“Whoosh!”
Exactly! That’s what I said and was hoping you’d tell me what went over my head.
My reply posted to TheBigHarry at 5:01 pm EST
Your comment can be found again. After clicking on “Post Comment” button, go to the address bar at top of page and copy/paste the address to a Word Document as your reference sheet. Your comment has its own tracking number at the end of the address.
When I want to refer to a previous post, I click on the address saved within my Word Document and it takes me to my comment. Or you can copy/paste the address from your Word Doc to a new tab and pull up your post that way, too.
If you hover over your date/time stamp under your name, you’ll see down in the left hand side of your screen where the address for your post displays. But again, you have to copy/paste it from the address bar.
I usually keep a copy of my comment along with its address to help me remember which comment said what at a glance.
Hope this helps.
Thanks P, I put a “CTH Comments” folder on my bookmark bar and now save (bookmark) my comments there right after I make them. Then I can manage them and go back to them at any time to look for replies.
Thank you for this site.
I’m so glad our community isn’t lost! Change isn’t always easy, but we are willing to work thru it together.
Thank you Sundance for going the extra mile to keep our community of treepers together!
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Grateful to have our Treehouse back. My only wish is to have the mobile version back. I only see the PC version on my IPhone, which is so small writing for my eyes, I have to keep expanding to read…rambling, sorry. Please, a version for mobile devices..
Amen! Hope it is addressed soon.??
Mobile version in the works…
Thank you! I figured it was coming, but had not seen it addressed. I thought there might be something I was or was not doing correctly.????
Thanks, Sundance, for the heads up.
No rush at all. Take your time.
God Bless the USA.
Glad things are sorting themselves out as time moves along. I can’t begin to imagine all the work and coordination involved.
Congratulations to one and all.
I am able to sign in and comment on my
Phone but not on my laptop. Idk why. I emptied the cache and cookies on the computer. Thanks for any help.
On my end, it appeared seamless. Great job!!
I do miss that notification bell to follow conversations.
Other than that, and the like feature everything else seems to be working well, using desktop, Chrome browser. Even figured out how to bring over my avatar, and updated it to boot! This dog learned a new trick!
Hoping Disqus isn’t the answer, but really –
What A Fantastic Job Sundance and All the moderators and techs behind the scenes have done. With only a 2 week notice no less! Huge! Have to put this in the Win column!
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Right after you make a comment bookmark it and then you can return to it later. You don’t get a notification bell, but you will have control of which comments you want to follow and discard those you don’t.
Good idea, TheBigHarry. I made a special folder within my bookmarks just for CTH. Thanks.
You’re welcome 7Deelta, It’s not prefect, but works for now until team CTH finds a solution.
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Not a fan of disqus
Disqus does not let you use the words “Soros” or, “kill”, irrespective of the context.
Actually, I think that’s a Breitbart thing, not Disqus, as I’m pretty sure I posted his accurately spelled name on TGP.
“Dis us”
I like Disqus. Never had an issue as a Disqus user. Love CTH!
Also not a fan of Disquis. They want to take over! I suspect they are owned by the Google owner, intrusive as all get out!
My registered avatar didn’t print, but that’s okay. I am not wedded to mine or that of anyone else. I would like not to have to add an e-mail address but suspect Disquis would always require that because they aim to rule the world. I own the domain I gave as my email address, so I can make that a one-way only that Disquis won’t be able to access. You can do the same, by having your own domain, but it is not free, to say the least.
Good to be back