The FBI spied on the inner circle of candidate Donald Trump’s campaign staff in 2016 and during the first 8 months of his administration. Even though Carter Page was the named target of the search warrant, 2-hop spying allowed the FBI to spy on all the people he contacted. John Spiropoulos explains how:
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The Steele Dossier, an outcome of the Fusion contract, contained two purposes: (1) the cover-story and justification for the pre-existing surveillance operation (protect Obama); and (2) facilitate the FBI counterintelligence operation against the Trump campaign (assist Clinton).
An insurance policy would be needed. The Steele Dossier becomes the investigative virus the FBI wanted inside the system. To get the virus into official status, they used the FISA application as the delivery method and injected it into Carter Page.
The FBI already knew Carter Page; essentially Carter Page was irrelevant, what they needed was the FISA warrant and the Dossier in the system {Go Deep}. This also explains all of the issues with the FISA application “Woods File” being created ex post facto.
Senator Johnson’s FISA timeline, citing page 62 of the IG report, states categorically that FBI HQ ordered the New York Field Office to open a Foreign Agent Registration Act (FARA) investigation of Carter Page on April 1, 2016, and that the NYFO did so on April 6, 2016.
Since Carter Page’s alleged Russian agent status (“an agent of a foreign government”) is the critical predicate for the original and three renewal FISA applications [core of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation], how can Crossfire Hurricane team maintain they did not open investigation until July 31, 2016?
Carter Page joined the Trump campaign March 21, 2016, eleven days before the order, and ten days after the Buryakov press release identified him to the Russians as the (undercover employee) UCE responsible for burning three of their SVR agents.
Not only is it incredibly unlikely that Page — who was still on the witness list for Buryakov’s prosecution until his sentencing on May 25, 2016 — was thought an appropriate subject for recruitment by the Russians, even after associating with the Trump campaign… but even if he was, the opening of the April 6, 2016, FARA investigation by the NYFO almost four months before Crossfire Hurricane “officially” opened meant the FBI’s investigation into a Trump campaign associate began long before they say it did.
Add to that reality the fact the FARA order likely came from FBI HQ via Bill Priestap, and there is no way the FBI could credibly believe a UCE they knew responsible for burning three SVR agents had been recruited by the same SVR due to his recent association with the Trump campaign. It was all smoke and mirrors.
The Obama intelligence community needed Fusion GPS to give them a plausible justification for already existing Trump surveillance and spy operations. Fusion-GPS gave them that justification and evidence for a FISA warrant with the Steele Dossier. The Dossier was used to create the FISA application. The Dossier was used as a replacement for a valid Woods File.
Ultimately that’s why the Steele Dossier was so important; without it, the FBI would not have a tool that Mueller needed to continue the investigation of President Trump.
In essence by renewing the FISA application, despite them knowing the underlying dossier was junk, the 2017 FBI was keeping the surveillance gateway open for Team Mueller to exploit later on.
Thanks. This is an important report. Not many in the public know about, or understand, the Two-Hop Rule.
Another aspect is that it is retroactive, as I understand—meaning they also get to go back in time and get info on anybody caught up in the Two-Hop Net—back to before any investigation even started.
This is where US Attorney Bash investigating “unmaskings” from Jan 2016-Jan2017 could become important.
Were Obama administration officials unmasking retroactive comms collected as a result of the Carter Page FISA.
This is what NUNES seemed to indicate in his press conference after his “midnight run” to the WH in Mar 2017:
Unmasking of Trump campaign & transition personnel communications collected “legally”, having nothing to do with Russia.
What ever happened to Joseph diGenova and Victoria Toensing?
Rick – you have a splendid question. – crickets!
Until they go on WMAL next Monday and tells us indictments are coming tomorrow (or the next day)….
Maybe Joe is embarrassed for being so wrong so often. Maybe Victoria doesn’t like the association for the same reasons.
The ONLY thing Joe would be guilty of, like most of us, is expecting the DOJ to do their clear and obvious job and uphold their clear and obvious duty.
In the grand scheme of things, his voice has been FAR more helpful than harmful, and he should keep going.
Joe comes on with radio talk hosts, Mary and Vince about current events on the Mall. Here is the Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOOShIao9nM
Joe and Victoria know too much and have become persona non grata with the MSM.
He’s on Howie Carr a lot too.
To the OP, Richie, and Shelley Childs – yep, I hear him on Howie Carr. I appreciate DiGenova’s explanations on how things ‘should’ work, but regarding what is coming down the pike, he’s only blowing hot air.
I recall they were involved in some capacity with Ukrainians connected to the guy Rudy Giuliani was representing who got indicted. I don’t know if those matters are related to their lack of media appearances but dealing with Ukrainians can be tricky given the interest law enforcement has in them,
In addition to WMAL and Howie Carr as others have pointed out, DiG and Toensing are on regularly with Dr Sebastian Gorka on Gorka’s America First radio show.
Joe and Victoria are talking the big talk in various interviews about deep state actors being in deep legal trouble when we know deep inside our hearts that no one is going to be held accountable outside of being fired or being named in some report. Why should these seditious snakes really care about being fired if they can then write a book and rake in the profits off of their sedition.
That’s why we should stop even whispering the thought that they might get off and keep pressing for them to face public hangings after they’re convicted.
If you project weakness, the Democrats/RINO Deep Staters will simply walk all over you.
Stop it. All of you need to stop. Be fierce!!
DEMAND JUSTICE when you don’t expect it.
CALL OUT LIES when people think you a fool for doing so.
PRAY TO GOD when half the country doesn’t think He exists.
Stop being a defeatist. And not just you. I’ve been guilty of it myself. But this is not how evil works. Evil takes an inch at a time until we squash it. And if we keep repeating an inch at a time, evil never will get squashed.
Be brave. Keep your reservations to yourself, pretty please, and with all due respect. Be brave. Have faith. You’re ON THE SIDE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Things are moving it seems. I’m glad Sundance is giving a refresher on this for all those that have started new here lately. He pulls together the importance of FISA, the dossier, and most importantly to me…the timing. They lied about when it started….why?
Sundance goes through that timeline with all the details in other posts. They are claiming a start date based on when they think they can defend doing the spying. They were spying on thousands of people, Trump and all the republican candidates, for years prior using FBI contractors. That backdoor got shut down by an NSA internal audit that found the abuse (see Sundance’s posts on FISA and Mike Rodgers testimony). So they needed a way to “legally” get, hold, and use the information that they already had on Team Trump. And if Trump won a way to cover their butt for having that information from spying on team Trump. That was the “insurance policy in case Trump won” which was the Steele Dossier (replacing the Woods file) to get a FISA warrant on page.
If we know it, the President knows it. So President Trump has to win in a landslide to cancel out the mail in voting scheme promoted by Bloomberg and Soros. BTW, has Barr-zini challenged any blue state governors in the courts or is Tom Fitton doing all his work for him ?
Barr-zini , Wray, Mille, and Esper, are fired soon after the election.
Trump takes an active role in Durham investigation and gets results.
The major risk between now and election, Barr-zini pulls a Comey stating after reviewing all the evidence we are not confident in getting convictions in subjects involved in SPY Gate.
Pull a Comey, aka “no reasonable prosecutor…”
How many spy movies have been created over the years? Every twist and turn imaginable written into plots, but eventually we get down to the good guys versus the bad guys (or gals, take your pick). Where are we now with this Trump “problem” that has been in play since The Donald walked down that escalator?
General Flynn is still neutered. President Trump has keep his fingers off the investigation by Barr’s people. Senator McConnell doesn’t speak much about the attacks leveled against the President. Chief Justice Roberts has said little if anything about the conning of his FISA court by others…in the Obama administration.
Where is common sense? Didn’t Obama show everyone listening and watching how to lie on a constant basis? Didn’t he show us what a “fawning” press looks like? What about that face of John Brennan?
Do you really think Brennan has not looked in his mirror and knows all about his facial look? What breed of dog does his face remind you? And Comey…super tall, supper arrogant…just another super narcissist. Look at the other players in this evil comedy. How would you like to be LIsa Page’s husband? Staying for the kids or is there some untold realities that perhaps the Falwell family might explain?
Wingman Holder, or dear Lois Lerner…this list goes on and on, Susan Rice…still out there spitting lies after lies. Then there is HIllary, the angry old stab you in the back nasty piece of work. Can you really blame Bill for his side action?
Yea, this is our movie, we have been watching it for four years…will it end? Guess who is laughing and has been laughing since this game plan was created?
Yea, the bad guys! So, the real question is: When all is said and done, when every rock and leaf has been turned over…what are you going to do about it, this attempt to overthrow an elected President?
Will there be justice? Look straight into Barr’s eyes for the answer and no one else’s.
What do you see?
Nothing, absolutely nothing.
A reflection of Vicki Weaver’s face.
Took me a minute to search my memory on Vicki Weaver. Ruby Ridge, FBI sharpshooter, death for those who wanted to be left alone. Justice (somewhat) with the help of lawyer Gerry Spence came later but as always the dead family members would never return.
So called extreme right wingers get the FBI sharpshooter treatment.
Extreme left wingers get to play and play in democrat controlled cities where a few go about killing others, injuring many, destroying much, creating havoc into the millions where taxpayers are expected to foot the bill.
And who comes out of the woodwork today? Bill Ayers, mad bomber, great friend of Obama’s (perhaps his personal ghost writer), who states that this is now a civil war in many ways…he is again so happy!
I don’t think Barr can even recall the face of Mrs. Weaver.
He’s having dinner this weekend with the Muellers at their favorite country club.
I hear the crab fingers are out of this world–so fresh and delicious!
I see the Movie Seven Days in May..which JFK had a hand in ….become a real live event..with a cast of hundreds..as Brennan didn’t build by himself..everyone from CIA to Pentagon chipped in personnel like Halper..and or resources..Cui Bono..they all did..whats missing are the oligarchs beholden to Pentagon for their wealth..the Core..of the Deep State..Pray for our President and his men and women..
Somebody who really doesn’t give a rat’s ash about this country. Or his President.
You’re right . But public humiliation counts . The Trump administration has been relentless in undoing all of the Obama – Biden – Clinton – Bush agendas . He has been making them all toxic . Not to mention watching leading Dems melt down in public . And now his enemies have made Pres. Trump into the anti BLM antifa riots champion . His enemies have cried ” Wolf ! ” too many times . The contrast is now too obvious .Soon the entire country will realize why the usual suspects were so eager to demonize and demolish Trump and Flynn .Remember what candidate Trump said about Hilary ? You would be in jail . Think about Pres. Trump saying that about his political enemies on this year’s campaign .
POTUS Trump has had to live with constant insults to his character, his love of America and his efforts to rebuild the lives of so many forgotten Americans. At the lowest, these scum were trying to set the stage for charges of Treason and humiliation beyond belief. They should all be found and charged. POTUS needs the shouts of all his supporters yelling, ‘We love you!’ This should be our collective mantra every rallie he leads. He needs to hear from us.
The impact not often mentioned is the constant attacks that intimidate many good people from working in the administration. Another reason PDJT needs to steamroller the Democrats! I wish he would start making the message explicit that we need a landslide in Congressional races too!
I see a man who has looked into Robert Mueller’s eyes and Rod Rosenstein’s eyes and found that these two bastards are still worthy to be his buddies.
As most of the public has.
I see a man who knows how to suffer fools patiently, until the right time.
I wonder if Carter Page’s lawsuit can be used to pry out the hidden October 2017 scope memo?
Nope. Manafort’s legal team tried and all Mueller had to do was “say” he had written and verbal secret orders from Rotten Rod….the judge considered that sufficient proof.
Carter Page’s attorneys will get the same response.
In fact, I would be pleasantly surprised if an “original” copy of anything written by Rotten Rod to Mueller still exists or can be “found”. After we just learned their phones (and likely all I/T in my opinion) have been wiped clean.
That was the AUG 2 Scope memo not the October memo.
Manafort argued:
If Mueller is doing a RUSSIA COLLUSION investigation,
under what authority can he prosecute UKRAINIAN FINANCIAL crimes?
Judge Ellis agreed.
The AUG 2 scope memo was eventually given to the judge in a highly redacted form.
This was unacceptable.
They eventually disclosed the unredacted copy of the AUG 2 memo, in camera, ex parte:
which revealed that indeed, RR had given Mueller jurisdiction over Manafort’s Ukrainian shenanigans.
Judge Ellis cynical and bemused had no choice but rule against Manafort’s motion.
He quipped:
“You don’t really care about Mr. Manafort’s bank fraud, You really care about what information he might give you about Mr. Trump and what might lead to his impeachment or prosecution.”
Who introduced Carter Page to the Trump campaign?
Great question, Roni
Or Manafort for that matter and why did the FBI not warn Trump like they did McCain?
Of course the FBI that will find dirt when there is none, is not going to warn of dirt when there is.
Reince Priebus suggested that Manafort be brought in to secure the delegates at the convention to nominate Trump. If you recall there was talk about getting delegates to nominate anyone but Trump. That was Manafort’s sole purpose in the Trump campaign, and once the nomination was accomplished he was dismissed shortly thereafter.
The DOJ knew Manafort’s past issues, which they previously declined to prosecute. The SC prosecuted him in order to flip him against trump, or get Trump to engage and charge him with obstruction. Arresting Manafort in the middle of the morning, sending an assault force with CNN to arrest Stone, and violating attorney-client privilege by taking protected communications from Cohen were provocations to get Trump to respond so they could accuse him of obstruction of justice.
Perhaps the only redeeming thing I can think of Rosenstein ever doing was telling Trump not to declassify documents while the SC was active or it would be considered obstruction of justice by the SC. As pissed as we all were at the time, that was their objective and Trump didn’t take the bait.
Remarkable – President Trump releasing evidence of DOJ/FBI crime is “obstruction of justice”
Hillary’s ‘team’ destroying subpoenaed email files is OK, not ‘obstruction of justice’.
Mueller-weissman’s ‘team’ destroying their phone records is not ‘obstruction of justice’.
BARR SAYS, WITHOUT ANY EMBARRASSMENT, “EQUAL JUSTICE FOR ALL”
Good question. Given Page’s CIA connection, it seems likely some CIA folks working under Brennan’s direction made the suggestions or even connection between Page and someone in the campaign.
I do not know if that has ever been resolved. Two competing stories…one, Sam Clovis and two, Ed Cox. It seems Page was from McCain’s 2008 campaign.
https://dailycaller.com/2017/03/03/exclusive-who-brought-carter-page-onto-the-trump-campaign/
https://dailycaller.com/2017/05/30/nixons-son-in-law-explains-why-he-referred-carter-page-to-trump-campaign/
I question the information in the bordered report section up top.
Why would Carter Page identify himself to a Russian minister and officials at the UN when there was an active ongoing prosecution? This makes absolutely no sense.
To me, the entire Carter Page story is sketchy.
I thought the same thing! Makes no sense – Russians like to “off” people who are spies that burn their agents. They must keep up agents moral. Page plays the dumb duffus, as an agent still protecting his cover. Like “I am going to sue them, myself as lawyer.” Yea right. Then crickets. Supposedly he hired now a big name lawyer. Still crickets! Guy is as phony as a $3 dollar bill.
I also have my doubts about Popadopolos. Worked on the Carson campaign. Then goes to work at London Law group which Misfud controlled, meets his future wife (or handler), then gets on another campaign of an “outsider, like Carson.” In and out of the campaign, like Carter Page. Both low level nobodies. Session was the “senior” foreign policy advisor. See a pattern here?
On PapaD and Mifsud
@HansMahncke on Twitter has done the most thorough research on this that I’ve come across
Long summary (post-release of the Mifsud 302) but worth it:
HERE:
Papo and Page don’t ring true even remotely. They were involved in the plot until they got burned. Now they’re fussin like grandpa but no substance.
The alternative theory is, “Who cares?”
If Brennan started this mess, he was in a key position to identify CIA assets and sources who were working for Trump. As soon as one got close, Brennan sprang the trap.
My internal jury is out. The evil was numerous levels higher than Page, even if he was an unsuspecting participant.
Why did Page Volunteer for the Trump Campaign?
Within 10 days of him signing on, the FBI went to snooping. I still don’t believe that was a coincidence.
Carter page must have been a mole. He started on the Trump campaign march 21, then on April 6 the FBI got a FISA on him….? What a coincidink
I think Page was CIA. I have watched most of his interviews and there is one when he is on Hannity. Where Hannity asks him about his ties to US Intelligence and Page just kinda of grinned and ducked the question.
I still think he was a plant.
Good point, it seems consistent with Brennan’s MO to have Page’s CIA handler or other people behind the scenes overtly or discretely make a connection for Page to join the campaign.
I think that Page is just tip-toeing around potential booby traps . He knows that he was set up . He just doesn’t everyone who was involved with the set-up ( yet ) . So he is very cautious .
Absolutely–I’ve been pushing this fact for two years. It’s not just possible, or even plausible, it probable beyond any reasonable doubt. Everything we know about CP points to him as a co-conspirator–everything. This man is a criminal who needs to always be included in the top echelon of the traitor-group.
Life in Prison.
Opened in April a FARA investigation (unregistered agent of a foreign power) NOT a FISA.
Geez, I thought we came to that conclusion about two years ago!
You might be right, however given the behavior of the CIA, DOJ, and FBI he may have been cautioned by his attorney to not ‘reveal’ something that he could later be prosecuted for under a different administration.
“See, he obstructed the investigation of Schiff, Barr, Durham, the Senate, the House, or Jim Comey, who’s probably working on his next blockbuster book deal.” I’m not sure you want to serve up a low-hanging curveball to the deep state.
We KNOW page was CIA- Kevin Clinesmith was indicted for falsifying a document regarding this ( ie he said Page was NOT CIA when he knew he was)
I think Peter Paul Strzok II Is CIA also.
Clinesmith changed the email on Page but he knew they would never prosecute him. They wanted a target, that’s all.
Or rather than a mole he could have just been an unwitting trojan horse that Brennan’s CIA guys pushed in front of the Team Trump gate (when they were scrambling to fill their staff).
@Tiffthis this is the best post ever makes it simple for all to see thru the DeepState clumsy cloud of deceit
Carter page must have been a mole. He started on the Trump campaign march 21, then on April 6 the FBI got a FISA on him….?
April 6 the FBI opened a FARA INVESTIGATION out of NYFO.
However you may be right that they ALSO got a FISA on CP as part of THAT investigation.
“The DRAGON FISA” referred to in Peter Strzok email has never been identified nor has the investigation simply referred to as “DRAGON” (in the Danchenko EC).
The Carter Page NYFO investigation eventually got rolled up under the Crossfire-Hurricane investigation on August 10, 2016.
Soros
I’ve been waiting for this. When President Trump says treason, I think he means it. He’s not really a turn the other cheek guy when somebody’s done him really wrong. We dispatched Timothy McVeigh pretty quickly. It can be done again.
It’s a bad look when the President (Chief federal law enforcement officer) labels something treason then there’s no consequences to speak of. That’s been the case for several years now.
“Not only is is incredibly unlikely that Page — who was still on the witness list for Buryakov’s prosecution until his sentencing on May 25, 2016 — was thought an appropriate subject for recruitment by the Russians, even after associating with the Trump campaign… but even if he was, the opening of the April 6, 2016, FARA investigation by the NYFO almost four months before Crossfire Hurricane “officially” opened meant the FBI’s investigation into a Trump campaign associate began long before they say it did”
Does this have any revelence –
James Comey’s Daughter Maurene On NY Posse To Take Trump Down
Here’s article written in 2019 – she was working there since 2015 –
https://canadafreepress.com/article/james-comeys-daughter-maurene-on-ny-posse-to-take-trump-down
I guess the greatest chance of Turd-bag Comey catching any legal jeopardy is if Trump stays in office, so it would seem consistent that spawn of Turd would be anti-Trump.
Prior to 9/1+, four FBI field offices reported arab/flight school issues, ordered by HQ to stand down. On Aug 16, 2001 the Minneapolis FBI field office arrested hijacker #20, ordered by HG not to investigate. On Sept 4, 2001 mole Mueller was sworn as FBI dictator. Mueller covered up 9/1+ and the 2001 anthrax attack. Agent Coleen Rowley explains
Wiki/Zacarias_Moussaoul
I think what is missed in all this is, the most powerful intelligence agencies in the world spent the best part of three years spying on Donald Trump with the objective of digging up damaging dirt that could be used against the President by Democrats. They came up with…bupkus, nada, zip, zero, nothing.
You can’t find dirt on an New York DEVELOPER? Yes, that would seem to be completely impossible.
But they did find “dirt”:
Donald Trump likes hot women.
A “crime” I also admit to be GUILTY AS CHARGED.
An old white, accomplished, very heterosexual male? (who doesn’t shave his head and have tats all over his face?)
PDJT is the hated target of the truly ‘woke’.
Trump’s girls were prettier than Clinton’s. Just sayin.
And Trump’s girls consented.
I am sure the dirty cops in FBI and CIA could not believe Trump was clean either. So, they made something up.
That’s not been missed. What’s been missed is the (supposed) most powerful law enforcer in the world, Trump, has executed zero consequences and his supporters give him a pass with a plethora of excuses.
I know the wheels turn slowly, but are they turning? PDT has already told the world what happened, and who did it repeatedly for over a year. He told the world they wiretapped Trump Tower in 2017 not long after he assumed office. Here we are nearly 4 years later.
Two or more scales of justice. Sorry, B2. Still not seeing your single scale.
TBait – ” wiretapped Trump Tower in 2017″. From the Whistleblower who turn over the hard drives in 2014.
Not quite right. Brennan and Clapper used THE HAMMER to spy on Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts, Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, 159 Article III judges, FISA Court Presiding Judge Reggie Walton, members of Congress, Wall Street executives, Rudy Giuliani, Lt. General Michael Flynn, Donald Trump, Trump Tower, multiple Trump businesses, and members of the Trump family, according to Montgomery. Montgomery asserted that Brennan spied on Donald Trump because the CIA feared Trump. According to The Whistleblower Tapes, Brennan and Clapper wiretapped Donald Trump “a zillion times.”
The 2017 Wiretapping was of the Executive Dining Room, where DJT told the Time Mag folks, “Finding Gold In the Walls”. But it wasn’t really AU (chem for gold) but A/V.
The video is an excellent dissection of the vast dragnet created by FISA 2 hop surveillance and the certainly hundreds of people in Trump’s circle whose private communications were subject to collection. I think we are entitled to know who had access to this data and whether there are reports or summaries made and who saw them. The Captain America crowd keeping America safe ought to stop and consider the utility of such data in a world where everyone assumes their electronic communications are subject to monitoring. Does monitoring them still help keep us safe?
Still nothing from John Carlin. Why??
He is still mourning the death of his brother hasn’t come out of his home for years ever since George died
SO GLAD to see someone talking about and explaining the two-hop rule! It irritates me to no end that the media, all of them, pretend they don’t know about this and do not share it with their viewing audience.
Full Measure Episode 24: March 13, 2016 (P1)
by Sharyl Attkisson
“ON THIS EPISODE OF FULL MEASURE:
Long before Apple and the FBI, one of America’s spy agencies asked a telephone company to cooperate on a classified project that involved unspecified surveillance of private customers. Find out what happened when Qwest communications, a major phone company out west bucked the powerful spy agency and what it portends for Apple’s circumstances.
Full Measure sits down with Arkansas Senator Tom Cotton, an outspoken advocate in the FBI drive to force Apple’s Decryption.
Some flights these days look more like petting zoos than planes. But are all the so-called service animals on-board really legitimate? Full Measure contributing correspondent Joce Sterman put the system to a test by registering a rather unique animal.
This presidential election cycle proves anything is possible in politics.
In this edition of Campaign Incredible, we look at the week that proved why we should expect the unexpected.”
Part 2, the Tom Cotton interview for all you Tom Cotton fans.
FULL MEASURE: January 12, 2020 – I Spy
by Sharyl Attkisson
“We begin with an examination of one of the worst abuses of government power that could happen in our society. Illegal spying on U.S. citizens. Amid findings about egregious violations by our intelligence community, there’s a criminal investigation. And the court that approves surveillance on U.S. citizens has instructed the FBI to implement new safeguards as of this week. As our intelligence agencies face what may be their biggest scrutiny in decades, we examine how we got here.”
FTA, “ As our intelligence agencies face what may be their biggest scrutiny in decades, ” I would add the biggest scrutiny in decades is too small. Way too small…..
I agree!
I hope they come out with a report that flatly, once and for all, debunks the 17 intelligence agencies b.s. TRUMP should turn that into a commercial.
Also, NO ONE has touched the NSD.
WHERE IS THE FULL AUDIT OF THE NSD?????
The one place Sally Yates quarantined.
FULL MEASURE: March 31, 2019 – Being Carter Page
by Sharyl Attkisson
“At the very beginning of the Trump-Russia story, there was Carter Page. During the 2016 presidential campaign, the US intelligence community portrayed him as a ‘hot lead.’ A spy. The main link to collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. In the end, Special Counsel Robert Mueller didn’t charge Carter Page with anything. Today, Page speaks with us and reveals incredible details that may make you question much of what the American public was told over the past two years.”
Only time I’ve heard “TWO-HOP” brought up in any official way
HJC SEPT 2019 FISA REAUTHORIZATION HEARING.
Congressman Andy Biggs questions put ACTUAL NUMBERS to the sheer quantity of records that can be collected as a result of “two-hop”
SEE 1:58:00 mark
It irritates me to no end that the media, all of them, pretend they don’t know about this and do not share it with their viewing audience.
Especially since many of them would be the 2nd hop on the warrant once they talked to anyone who had contact with Page – like Steve Bannon. How many pundit shows did he go on? Was Bannon talking to any other guests in the Green Room?
A Republican really needs to point that out when they’re on one of the pundit shows.
What I want to know is what was done with all the data captured by tapping phones, texts, and emails? What was the flow of that surveillance data and in what form was it transmitted to third parties? How was it disseminated? Who was it funneled to? I want a list of names! We now know what the FBI did but who got their spying records and what did the recipients do with them? It’s like we only got half of the puzzle put together! Just wondering.
That is also what a judge ordered them to provide. We have seen hide nor hair so far of this list.
What I want to know is what was done with all the data captured by tapping phones, texts, and emails? What was the flow of that surveillance data and in what form was it transmitted to third parties? How was it disseminated? Who was it funneled to? I want a list of names!
Nunes had the same questions WAY BACK on Mar 22 2017
Perhaps US Attorney John Bash will answer your questions more specifically in his unmasking investigation.
as soon as Bash finishes his training module from professor Huber, on “how to stall and hide evidence 101”.
Well I was so frustrated I sent John Spiropoulos a copy of my above post via a twitter message and this was his response!
“Only the crooks know what happened to all of it. I presume that Durham could find out if it was necessary to prove a case. But nothing has leaked out yet. Rep. Nunes has seen some of the information and said so publicly in March 2017. But he did not name names because all of the information was classified and still is. -John.”
Thank you John Spiropoulos!
Amazing there are so few leaks that hurt the deep state? Yet the leak gate is wide open when it comes to hurting President Trump or his administration! So then I did this knowing nothing will happen but I felt better!
https://twitter.com/rrtodd_/status/1304425461137707011?s=20
Thank you for your efforts in emailing and posting the response.
I am waiting for a response to an email I sent last night to Mr. Aldenberg.
Hey Bubby, to you and all Treepers, feel free to ask me questions about any of my videos but, remember, Sundance has waaaayyyy more knowledge and sources about all of this than I do.
And while I’d like the same answers you’re looking for, my gut tells me most people (Treepers excluded, of course) don’t really know or understand the invasive nature
of 2-hop spying. As I related to Sundance, this video is really meant for all of your friends, family and colleagues who might be open to facts. Send them the link. You might change a mind and a vote. More “basic” videos coming soon.
To give credit where credit is due, Sheryl Attkisson has done very good work on this subject.. And, in fact, I excerpted the Sidney Powell sound clip from one of Sharyl’s programs.
Thanks, John! I deeply appreciate your effort to make these topics widely portable, accessible, and simple to understand for the average Joe.
Wikipedia on Carter Page –
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carter_Page
Senate Intelligence Committee findings
The Republican-controlled Committee released its final report on 2016 Russian election interference in August 2020, finding that despite problems with the FISA warrant requests used to surveil him, the FBI was justified in its counterintelligence concerns about Page. The Committee found Page evasive and his “responses to basic questions were meandering, avoidant and involved several long diversions.” The Committee found that although Page’s role in the campaign was insignificant, Russia may have thought he was more important than he actually was.[101]
Of course, he was CIA
Note: there has never been an in depth look at who Page is. His family, parents, their back ground. His businesses. IN detail!! That’s what investigative reporters do!! Crickets from the left or right!
Never trust Wikipedia for factual information ESPECIALLY when it’s political .
Or any of the below , all on Wikileaks list of sources that regularly collude with the DNC.
Cnn, Msnbc,Abc,Cbs, Nbc, HuffPost, NYT, WashPost, The AP, BuzzFeed, Politico, NewsWeek, The Hill, Rolling Stone, Sky News, USA Today, Time, Snopes, LA Times, Reuters, BBC, Boston Globe, Vox, The Miami Herald, Mother Jones,Wikipedia. HLN Yahoo, MSN, Factcheck.or, NY Daily News, Vice, Univision, Politifact, People, PBS, NPR, New Yorker, Wall Street Journal, Daily Beast, Bloomberg, Aurn, National Journal, BI ,
from the cheap seats; the swamp drain plug is starting to pop thanks again SUNDANCE for all the work you and TOM FITTON have done!!
Dan Bongino always called it a three hop rule. Is this former Secret Service agent who stated he had utilized such tactics himself wrong?
Should have googled first… there are tons of stories discussing the three hop rule. Apparently it’s pretty well known.
Google doesn’t link to “Real news sites” they ONLY link to the below sites.
Cnn, Msnbc,Abc,Cbs, Nbc, HuffPost, NYT, WashPost, The AP, BuzzFeed, Politico, NewsWeek, The Hill, Rolling Stone, Sky News, USA Today, Time, Snopes, LA Times, Reuters, BBC, Boston Globe, Vox, The Miami Herald, Mother Jones,Wikipedia. HLN Yahoo, MSN, Factcheck.or, NY Daily News, Vice, Univision, Politifact, People, PBS, NPR, New Yorker, Wall Street Journal, Daily Beast, Bloomberg, Aurn, National Journal, BI ,
It WAS the THREE-HOP Rule.
(If you watch the movie “SNOWDEN” you will see it referenced that way)
Under Obama Administration was (supposedly) limited to “TWO-HOP” Rule.
But after what has come out in the last 4 years…..
it’s probably more like the “TEN-HOP” rule in practice.
It’s called a chain link. I get 3-hops from Page . If one of those rises to a level of complicity, I can get 3-hops from him! And on, and on.
IG Horowitz claims Carter Page was the only FISA
But if they got FISAs on Manafort, Flynn, and PapaD as well…..that’s a big chain!
There is also the matter of the still unidentified DRAGON FISA Strzok referred to in a email.
KVS — The IG Report had strange phraseology on other FISA’s. “We were unable to discover [other FISA warrants] …. ” The wording struck me as quite odd at the time. It was far from a definitive declaration that there WERE no other warrants.
Same here.
Horowitz also said
“Accordingly, we have today initiated an OIG audit that will further examine the FBI’s compliance with the Woods Procedures in FISA applications that target U.S. persons
in both counterintelligence and counterterrorism investigations.”
Question is could the FBI hide FISA applications to exclude them from that review?
According to Horowitz’s Wood’s Review the answer is YES.
“As an initial step in our audit, over the past 2 months, we visited 8 FBI field offices of varying sizes and reviewed a judgmentally selected sample of 29 applications relating to U.S. Persons and involving both counterintelligence and counterterrorism investigations. This sample was
selected from a dataset provided by the FBI that contained more than
700 applications relating to U.S. Persons submitted by those 8 field offices over
a 5-year period. ”
Crossfire-Hurricane was a “HQ Special” and any additional FISAs on Trump folk would have emanated from the Hoover Bldg.
HERE:https://fas.org/irp/agency/doj/oig/fbi-woods.pdf
Does anyone have an update on this Sundance article from last January?
DOJ Admits Two FISA Applications Lacked Cause – FISA Court Requests Information on Consequences: What Other Prosecutions Relied on the Invalid Warrants?
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/01/23/doj-admits-two-fisa-applications-lacked-cause-fisa-court-requests-information-on-consequences-what-other-prosecutions-relied-on-the-invalid-warrants/
The FBI has agreed to “sequester” all information and evidence received as an outcome of all the FISA warrants issued against Carter Page. Meaning, all material, in any court proceeding or subsequent secondary warrant on another target, application, filing, motion, prosecution or downstream use of the information gathered and obtained; the FBI will now assemble all materials, from any location, that stemmed from the Carter Page FISA warrants.
In essence, the FBI will now look and retrieve any evidence that stemmed as an outcome of the Carter Page FISA warrant. Some of this material *may* (perhaps likely) will be in the Special Counsel Mueller investigation.
[ie. a proverbial search for the fruit of a poisonous tree. Where is it?]
Once the sequestration has taken place, the DOJ will then be able to determine to the court what collateral impacts they have identified.
The DOJ has yet to inform the court how exactly they plan to do this, or when they anticipate to have completed the task. However, the FBI has agreed to undertake this sequestration for ALL of the FISA applications, not just the two renewals they now admit are invalid.
I wonder if any of that is connected to the DOJ withdrawal from the Flynn case? You know, the case the judge wants to prosecute all by himself?
FBI to the FISA Court:
“We’ll get back to you on the sequestration of all the ‘fruit of the poisonous tree,’ as soon as we’ve completed our analysis of the legitimacy of Obama’s birth certificate.”
Exactly.
I was just hoping that it would not take as long as it is taking for the FBI to release all of the files on the JFK assassination. However I’m beginning to doubt that the FBI will include this info on secretly replacing the windshield of JFK’s limo because of a bullet hole.
That is really interesting, Woodward.
Many years ago I read a fairly substantial amount about the JFK assassination, but I don’t remember reading anything about the bullet hole in the windshield.
Kind of an important piece of information I’d say.
However, the hole in my memory is fairly substantial these days so I probably just allowed it to pass through the sieve.
What evidence? They have had 4 years to hide or destroy most of the evidence. Just yesterday, 17 phones wiped clean by the FBI. I want that to be investigated.
Some of this material *may* (perhaps likely) will be in the Special Counsel Mueller investigation.
[ie. a proverbial search for the fruit of a poisonous tree. Where is it?]
Here’s the issue from the “fruit of the poisonous tree” angle.
What info obtained as a result of the Carter Page FISA was actually
USED IN ANY OF MUELLER’S PROSECUTIONS?
Carter Page-No prosecution
Manafort/Rick Gates-Old Ukrainian Financial Crimes
PapaD-Lying to FBI
Flynn
FIG (Rafiekian)
Roger Stone-Lying to Congress
26 “Russians”
I don’t see ANY EVIDENCE that could have come from the CP FISA that would be useful in ANY of these prosecutions.
I think MUELLER was using the CP FISA to
simply spy on the Trump Administration
to eventually attempt an obstruction of justice case and leak info for political damage.
IOW: I don’t think they will find any “poisoned” evidence…..
just day-to-day Trump Administration communications.
US Attorney JENSEN review of Flynn was probably one result of the “sequestration” order.
Jensen got many if not all the EXHIBITS included in the DOJ’s Motion to Dismiss the Flynn case..
Many of them are marked: “DOJSCO”
HERE:https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6883959-Flynn-Govt-Motion-to-Dismiss.html#document/p1
Rep. Zeklin stated: “McCabe did in fact testify under oath that there would not have been a FISA warrant if not for the dossier.”
Sundance said, “It seems likely the Mueller probe did use the Page warrant, as former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe and former DOJ Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein authorized the June 29, 2017,final renewal AFTER the special counsel was in place. That renewal has been admitted as invalid. There could be considerable consequences.
Without the Steele dossier allegations of Russian collusion and the FISAs, did Rosenstein have probable cause to appoint a special counsel to investigate crimes? Senator Graham states that “the legal foundation for Mueller’s appointment is crumbling… Without the dossier there is no [FISA] warrant…. The legal justification to appoint Mueller does not exist… The entire Mueller investigation was illegitimate to begin with.”
We don’t know what “evidence” Mueller and the FBI obtained from spying on President Trump and associates’ emails, phone calls, etc because of being “2 hops” from Carter Page. But without the FISAs, what probable cause did Mueller have to spy on and prosecute President Trump’s associates?
The Steele dossier indicated that Paul Manafort was Trump’s master spy colluding with the Russians. Without the Steele dossier being used for the FISA, what probable cause did Mueller have to investigate Paul Manafort, General Flynn, and the other Trump associates?
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/05/04/federal-judge-catches-robert-mueller-using-preexisting-fisa-title-1-warrant-against-paul-manafort-instead-of-title-3-authority/
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/05/03/important-michael-caputo-explains-how-clinton-mueller-legal-attack-dogs-used-the-fisa-title-one-surveillance-warrant/
Surely there is some poisonous fruit in there.
Caution: gonna get nit picky;
Fruit of the poisonous tree is a legal metaphor used to describe EVIDENCE that is obtained illegally.
In this case that would be evidence collected as a result of the Carter Page FISA and how that evidence was used.
We already know the prosecutions Mueller made and NONE of the evidence in those appears to be from Carter Page’s FISA surveillance…..1 hop, 2 hop or 10 hops.
What you’re referring to in your (excellent!) write up is
PREDICATION for the investigations themselves.
And yeah….PapaD bar tale and Steele Dossier are both rotten fruit.
More importantly, Mueller knew this on day one.
And that may ultimately be the angle….
It doesn’t matter WHAT Mueller collected from the Carter Page’s FISA because he should have shut down on May 18, 2017 and not collected anything at all
This remains very, very frustrating for me. I’ve been asking for three years . . . what did the FBI/Mueller actually do with the FISA warrants? Did they “tap” phones? Did they “wire” individuals? Did they follow people? And if so . . . most important . . . whom did they tap, wire, and follow? Is anyone ever going to reveal evidence of what type of spy operations actually took place?
Even Sundance does not answer these questions. For the umpteenth time . . . what did FBI/Mueller ACTUALLY DO with those warrants? Where are the unclassified details? Why haven’t we seen anything at all?
At a minimum, we DO know the answers to much of that.
With the scope memos, they were able to then start prosecuting members of Trump’s team for very old crimes that had nothing to do with Muh Rusha Clooshun.
Those prosecutions – PapaD, Page, Manafort, Cohen, and Stone gave the liberal talking heads LOTS of ammo to beat on Trump.
It’s clear what the SC did. It’s been plastered all over the news for years now.
What ELSE they did still remains a question. But once they had the clearance to go investigate pretty much anything they wanted, well, you can read about their results.
My guess: 1) insider trading with info gained from illegal and unconstitutional wiretaps ($$$). 2). Dig up political dirt to share with a complicit liberal (fake news) media in order to give the House to dems in 2018. 3) Find personal dirt on Federal judges, perhaps SCOTUS AND members of the legislature in order to threaten, bribe and extort favorable decisions and votes. 4) Unknown….but the potential for mischief, corruption and abuse is almost unlimited.
With all due respect, that’s not what I was referring to. We’ve never been told anything like “on October 3rd Eric Trump was followed to a restaurant where his conversation with Reince Priebus was recorded” . . . or “on December 16th President Trump’s meeting with Sean Spicer was secretly videotaped.”
We’ve never been told any sort of details like that. Those sort of revelations would be explosive. They have to be known, but we’ve never been told any of it. And that’s the frustrating part for me. What did the traitors ACTUALLY DO with their ill-gotten warrants?
In addition, how much surveillance was done ‘off the books’ with no FISA? Just like there is no original 302 on LTG Flynn. Like there were missing original Woods files on FISA requests? Who’s to know there if there was electronic, in-person surveillance on other individuals with no supporting FISA for the explicit purpose to keep surveillance activity under the table?
Remember, Trump has seen it all. He knows, and that is good reason to hope for ‘the best’. The most investigated citizen in American History, and therefore, probably THE CLEANEST. They have to make up lies about him! Can you name anyone who could stand such probing? Trump is a Leader beyond out yet comprehension.
Remember, Trump has seen it all.
Unfortunately, he has not “seen it all”.
(Not sure why people believe this)
Doubtful Dana Boente advised Wray to turn over “all” to POTUS or if POTUS even asked.
The newly released FOIA on the SCO’s phones being “accidentally wiped” is just one example of some of the “all” that will never be seen.,,,,and why it won’t.
But I’d guess that Grenell and Ratcliffe have been more willing to share with POTUS
And POTUS knows more than he’s sharing with us.
For the umpteenth time . . . what did FBI/Mueller ACTUALLY DO with those warrants?
You can ask TRumpteeth times
but you’re asking a question that HAS NO COMPLETE ANSWER.
First of all the EXACT TECHNICAL NATURE and TYPES of surveillance done on CP is mostly REDACTED in the FISA application and the Horowitz report.
We do know they got emails, texts and phone RECORDS and used CHS’s
UNKNOWN:
Wiretapping his phone (listening in)
Infiltrations into physical residences, offices, electronic devices (keylogging)
Exfiltrations of Carter Page property
Bugging
Physical surveillance
Now if you examine MUELLER’s actual PROSECUTIONS….
it seems that they USED NOTHING that could have even possibly come as a result of surveilling Carter Page.
So the answer may be very simple:
Mueller was simply using the Carter Page FISA to CONTINUE SPYING on the
TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.
To eventually prosecute an obstruction of justice case (ala Nixon’s tapes) or to leak “damaging material” to Trump’s enemies.
Thanks, Krash . . . that’s a little more detail and insight about their M.O. . . . but I’d still like to know the specifics: exactly whom did they spy on, when, where, and how. It’s very frustrating not knowing ANY of those details after all this time.
.but I’d still like to know the specifics: exactly whom did they spy on, when, where, and how.
So Barr is very clear about what happened. Before and after election.
Nobody in jail yet.
If someone was in jail for it, it would be unusual. If you look at past cases where the Gov investigates itself, like Hillary, IRS, Fast and Furious, 9/11, Iraq war WMDs, Podesta, Wolf, McCabe, Comey etc…. ALL walked free, and when crimes were too obvious to ignore they go with the “it was a honest mistake” excuse, “didn’t intend” and that’s that! End of the investigation. Dies there, stays there and we move on.
So, if you expect anything different here I would love to know what changed?
I see the same swamp, same pattern for the last 3 years. Nothing new. Wray, Haspel… they shouldn’t be leading anything yet they are. Clinesmith made a mistake, honest one, he admitted to making a mistake. It’s the same BS over and over.
Strozk is o tv unleashing the next narrative, They were overworked FBI agents!!!! Ohhhhhh, so tired so overworked they make mistakes. Got it!
Overworked by having too many extramarital affairs at the same time they were investigating. WHATEVA! Strokz and Page must have been super exhausted.
RICO statute prosecutions: tie them all together in their conspiracy–showing patterns of conduct, such as 10 of them “accidentally wiping their cellphones clean”, etc. Barr would be wrong to tell Kristin or Sundance or Chris Wallace what they are doing. Just wait till they are all arrested early one Sunday morning and charged with Sedition.
Then we’ll all feel mo betta.
So, what do we think of E.W. “Bill” Priestap these days?
Seems like he intimately knew who Carter Page was, yet still allowed Page to be subject to a FISA.
I have to just wonder if Priestap got his nuts caught in a vise a year or two back.
Good question….hard to tell.
Bill Priestep is a good example of how hard this case is.
Realclearinvestigations article describes Gaeta’s testimony to SSCI
HERE:https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2020/09/09/supposedly_reliable_steele_acted_crazy_his_american_handler_says_peoples_ears_were_bleeding_at_the_fbi_125142.html
According to Gaeta (Steele’s handler) he interviewed Steele after the Mother Jones article. Steele admitted he was the source and then went “Coo Coo for Cocoa Puffs”
“Priestap decided that Steele had to be closed immediately.”
Gaeta explained to senators just how serious and irrevocable a break it was to “close” a source: ”Once he’s closed, nobody is allowed – we can’t talk to him.”
However after the election, Priestep reverses course and describes Steele as a reliable source and champions the inclusion of the Steele Dossier in the ICA.
Bruce Ohr is allowed to continue to back channel Steele info into the Bureau (Priestep HAD to know this)
But then you got Priestep’s notes on Flynn where he appears to NOT be on board (or he’s simply creating a document to cover his ass)
“What is our goal here?…..”
So you got evidence of Priestep both going along and NOT going along.
Note: Jensen interviewed Priestep on May 5 2020 after Jensen found all the Flynn documents that were withheld.
Good info, thanks!
Did you see in one of the prior CTH articles where it was saying that Priestap was teh main agent running Carter Page back in 2014 or so (with Mueller as FBI Director)? So, Priestap had to know Page was a source.
No I hadn’t seen that.
But the FBI knew for sure that Page was a source for the CIA.
They had in their own equities an EC from 2009 stating so.
IG Report pg 94
“According to the EC documenting NYFO’s June 2009. interview with Page, Page told NYFO agents that he knew and kept in regular contact with Intelligence Officer 1 and provided him with a copy of a non-public annual report from an American company. The EC stated that Page “immediately advised [the agents] that due to his work and overseas experiences, he has been questioned by and provides information to representatives of [another U.S.government agency] on an ongoing basis.”
Yeah, I’ve seen that.
What I’m talking about is Priestap having been directly invovled with, or ‘running’ Page. Which, to me, would really be de-nutting any talk of them not knowing how bogus the FISA was….in other words, one of the ‘small group’ had run Page.
Maybe the evidence was on someone’s cell phone…….
Quick search shows Priestep working out of NYFO CI division from 2006 for “several years”.
Could be that 2009 EC crossed his desk.
But I don’t recall seeing anything about Priestep directly running Page.
Would love a link if you know of one!
At this point, the Deep State desperately needs to create and reinforce the narrative that, at worst, the FBI and DOJ were bungling and incompetent, but their heart was in the right place. This is the only avenue left for them to enable all the coup conspirators to skate on real criminal charges. Expect a constant stream of media articles to push this storyline going forward.
But the simple truth is that this was a criminal conspiracy from the start, and it was implemented by persons in a position of trust operating at the highest levels of the Federal Government, and these conspirators included elected members of both political parties as well as the nation’s highest law enforcement officials. That is no trivial level of treason. And if that stain is not expunged, the rule of law is officially dead and buried. And it will be time for 1776 style revolution all over again.
Maranatha
Wp**** doesn’t like your post but I do.
the Deep State desperately needs to create and reinforce the narrative that, at worst, the FBI and DOJ were bungling and incompetent, but their heart was in the right place.This is the only avenue left for them to enable all the coup conspirators to skate on real criminal charges.
Actually there is another avenue left they might try:
Echo Gens. Mattis, Kelly and many other high military officials:
“We had to take ‘COLLECTIVE ACTION’ to save America from the Orange Satan”
This spying should render Joe Biden ineligible to ever hold a government office ever again.
Great Video!
In seven minutes so many people who do not have the time to follow as closely as I would want, with all that has-and is-happening, this is a great video that sums it up for them in a clear manner that they can understand.
I have already forwarded…….
Thanks John for the great video-and Sundance for posting it. Now…if we could just have it go viral….facebook, etc.
Add Eric Trump’s picture to the graphic, and draw a line that connects Bannon and the other first hop group to the MSM, and one can quickly see how just one FISA quickly infects the entire political-media-financial complex of the DC beltway culture. Add a couple more FISAs and factor in that many of those groups are married to each other and the scale of the surveillance really hits home.
9/11/2001 was a very bad day for all of us. The subsequent haste in which the Patriot Act was conceived and passed by Congress was a terrible mistake that was inevitably used as a political weapon by our first anti-American President. I blame everything that was done on Barack Obama because only Barack Obama could have stopped it from happening. He didn’t and worse, he used his Government culprits to conceal his own involvement.
Obama is a Shiite Muslim Communist and a Globalist tool, and he always has been. Our country will finally be shed of Obama and his SMCG gang once the Democraps reap what they have sowed in November. I am fired up for election day and we have to undue the Patriot Act if we can’t prosecute all of the thousands of people who have been involved in violating the intent of that law.
I discussed the Patriot Act with a devout Democrat, when it was passed, and we agreed that politicians could not be trusted to use it only for finding and thwarting terrorists. It was a bad law, but I was around in those days and I understood why the politicians were panicked enough to pass it. It was another sad chapter in the undermining of our Constitution, and even a Democrat could be worried about it back then. Revisionist history will not even be fair to the victims of 9/11. Maybe New Yorkers will at least remember that when they go to re-elect their despicable leaders.
There should be documentation of all of the TASKING that was requested using the Page FISA warrant as authority.
That is: any action to, for example, search for and copy any communication between anyone that the 2 hop rule allowed would have had to have been documented somewhere. Like: “Agent X, go find every email you can between Steve Miller and Don Trump, Jr.”
If Barr/Durham are not doing this….then they are grossly derelict in their responsibility.
Sure doesn’t appear that evidence resulting from any of those taskings was used by Mueller in any of his prosecutions.
Weird, this Spiropoulous has the same haircut and head shape as Sundance, based on the reflection in the DC hotel room window.
Ha. Ha. Ha. I wish I knew half as much as Sundance. But at least I’m better looking and no Treeper can prove otherwise, LOL.
My guess, John, is you’re a LOT older than you look but, you pay somebody BIG BUCKS to do your hair and makeup.
They do SUPER QUALITY work!
And thanks for the excellent video! Please keep them coming so we Treepers can share them and shake some people awake!
Every article that lays out more and more proof of Democrat/FBI collusion to facilitate their failed coup, like this article, just establishes more proof that Barr is a corrupt scammer and that he’s covering for the swamp.
They in fact no longer need a “one hop”
“We Known” will not even put the facts
“We Know” our in the clear!
So what have the “D C Swamp” to fear?”
“Telling Each Other We Know”
I’m sure that scared hired killers !
Question for Treepers:
If we assume that the FBI (or sub-contractors) had all of this information on the Trump campaign (through the 2-hop rule) we ought to be able to start detecting “finger prints” of it. In World War II, the Allies were reading the German Enigma, but they always disguised that, and the Germans never caught on, always attributing some reverse to “bad luck” or random chance.
The only place I have seen a possible “tell-tale” sign of this is when Christopher Steel claimed that Trump’s lawyer, Michael Cohen was in Prague, when it turned out to be another Michael Cohen. This could indicate Steel was being fed information from an NSA database.
So, does anyone know of any sources (videos or articles) where someone tries to do this? Such a person would need to be looking at instances of “strange coincidences” or “lucky breaks” for Weissmann et al… that just seem too fortuitous for chance. I am guessing this information had to be used, but where ??? And after we put all of the pieces together, of who said what to who, it seems that the next logical step would be to look at how all of this surveillance was exploited.
Anyone?
The only place I have seen a possible “tell-tale” sign of this is when Christopher Steel claimed that Trump’s lawyer, Michael Cohen was in Prague, when it turned out to be another Michael Cohen. This could indicate Steel was being fed information from an NSA database.
I agree.
Doesn’t appear this would have come from the “outside contractors”.
Rogers says he shut down the contractor access in APRIL 2016.
The Cohen in Prague story occurs AUGUST/SEPTEMBER 2016.
But as we saw in the just released FISC order from Dec 2019
FBI guys themselves STILL routinely use the NSA database as their playground as do other “authorized” entities.
I don’t see anything in the Steele Dossier myself that necessarily indicates information that could only have come from the NSA Database.
Most of it was public information covered in bullshit sauce.
Some thoughts on why mueller-weissman destroyed their phone evidence:
My guess is that they were in regular communication with:
carter page
lawfare schemers and Trump haters
schiff, nadler, feinstein, warner and other dem seditionists
paul ryan, mitch mcconnell, burr, and other GOPe Trump haters
corrupt judges
corrupt ukraine schemers from the former government recently thrown out of power
obama and his gang rice, powers, comey, mccabe, priestap, Liu, et al
hillary and her ‘team’
state department schemers
the vindemans and their cohorts
co-conspiring ‘journalists’ they ‘leaked’ to
Even if the mueller SCO phone records are destroyed, calls with these people (and their staff) could still have been reconstructed. But I’d bet there has been no effort whatsoever to do so. Dereliction of duty.
If they used the phones and the calls went through the phone system the calls are in the big black data base in Utah!
They knew this when they made every call
My guess this “the phones have been cleaned is just to mis direct from the fact they used phones not issued by Govt
Some form of throw down phones
Several of those emails by the asset management agents indicate the service provider was Verizon and suspicion that they were using third party secure communication apps.
“Both numbers did have data usage so it could mean that if any messages were sent , it could have been through some type of app but we would not know for sure from our end.”
HERE:https://www.justice.gov/oip/foia-library/general_topics/communications_strzok_and_page_09_04_20/download
those ‘throwaway’ phones are tracked from the physical location of the SCO offices.
Cell phones can be tracked inside the Pentagon, and everywhere the phones went. This would include meetings with ‘journalists’, lawfare, schiff/nadler staff.
Again, rotten rosenstein/horowitz apparently didn’t order phone evidence maintenance despite knowing what was done earlier to wipe page/strozk phones, and certainly didn’t track the burned government phones or any throwaway phones emanating from the SCO offices.
It is almost as if the DOJ/FBI is part of the coup conspiracy….
The NSA should have all the Mueller SCUM’s texts, calls, tweets, etc.etc… Just run some good ol’ 702 About queries on their cell phones tel numbers and then they can blackmail and extort them! Simple
Is it just me or does the picture of Meisler look like a lost Tibetan monk?
Boiled down to a low gravy:
The good guys (Barr and co.) want to maintain the integrity of the FIB, CIA and DOJ, while rooting out the bad guys. However, the bad guys could give a sht about burning down the agencie; because they are under intense pressure to remove the rogue (Trump) while keeping American citizens in the dark. None of this crap could happen without Barry Soetoro’s imprimatur.
Boiled down to a low gravy:
The good guys (Barr and co.) want to maintain the integrity of the FIB, CIA and DOJ, while rooting out the bad guys. However, the bad guys could give a sht about burning down the agencie; because they are under intense pressure to remove the rogue (Trump) while keeping American citizens in the dark. None of this crap could happen without Barry Soetoro’s imprimatur.
(Barr and co.) only want to maintain the appearance of integrity of the FIB, CIA …..while keeping American citizens in the dark.
‘fixed it’, as they say.
Boiled down to a low gravy:
The good guys (Barr and co.) want to maintain the integrity of the FIB, CIA and DOJ, while rooting out the bad guys. However, the bad guys could give a sht about burning down the agencie; because they are under intense pressure to remove the rogue (Trump) while keeping American citizens in the dark. None of this crap could happen without Barry Soetoro’s imprimatur.
Now for the BIG question!
We all know, they spied on Carter Page and 16,000 other people. It’s one thing to have tons of raw data. It’s another thing to understand Accounting information. It’s another thing to understand the Law. They needed a great many coordinators, in order to get this information into the right hands.
And, most importantly they needed a massive budget in order to pay for it.
Therefore, from a practical stand point, they needed a huge number of support personnel for their spying operation!
And, someone to direct all of these people at specific targets!
All of these people are security risks because they know part of the truth.
Who Are They? Who paid them? Where do they work?
The Deep State Again
Reported Anti-Trump Prosecutor Nora Dannehy Resigns from Durham Probe Over Alleged Election Pressure by Barr
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/reported-anti-trump-prosecutor-nora-dannehy-resigns-durham-probe/
Top aide to US Attorney John Durham resigns from DOJ amid probe into Russia investigation
A DOJ source confirmed Friday that the federal prosecutor, Norah Dannehy, has resigned
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/top-aide-john-durham-resigns-doj-russia-probe
The BIG question. Referenced above
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/09/11/understanding-the-fbis-two-hop-fisa-surveillance-of-the-trump-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-8761879
The PRISM program to tap into the databases of the Internet service providers such as Yahoo and Google found in the foot note 69 below.. And, companies like SAIC and Like Booz to analyze it. Reference article below for more detail.
And, here is foot note 69 for your reference?w=584&zoom=2
It looks like all can be read but the portion directly after [apparently in place], if right?
Access granted to [Prism] contractors
[Inspector General] compliance report in 2009 declared
CTH believes that redacted date is 2012
[CIA] access to FBI systems was the subject of an inter-agency memorandum of understanding enter into in [2012.
Meet the contractors analyzing your private data
Private companies are getting rich probing your personal information for the government. Call it Digital Blackwater 123
TIM SHORROCK
JUNE 10, 2013
The Narus devices can’t pick up everything, however, because large amounts of traffic (such as domestic calls and Internet messages) don’t go through the switches. That’s why NSA apparently decided in 2006 to create the PRISM program to tap into the databases of the Internet service providers such as Yahoo and Google, Binney says. “Even though there’s so many Narus devices collecting on the Net, they don’t get it all,” he explained. “So if they go to the ISPs with a court order, they fill in the gaps from the collection on Narus.”
***But once the data is downloaded, it has to be analyzed. And that’s where Booz and the other contractors that surround the NSA come in.***
Another major presence at NSA’s Business Park is SAIC. Like Booz, it stands like a private colossus across the whole intelligence industry. Of its 42,000 employees, more than 20,000 hold U.S. government security clearances, making it one of the largest private intelligence services in the world. “SAIC provides a full suite of intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) and cybersecurity solutions across a broad spectrum of national security programs,” it claims on its website.
https://www.salon.com/2013/06/10/digital_blackwater_meet_the_contractors_who_analyze_your_personal_data/
We’ve all read the analyses on when Durham would start dropping bombshells:
“There’s no question that if Biden is elected, everything Durham has done at that point will be canceled out,” Swecker explained, adding that Biden would replace Barr and possibly even Durham. But by putting indictments and reports “into the public arena” before the election, Durham would put a Biden administration in the position of either taking further action or closing down his probe.”
–Chris Swecker, Durham friend and ex-Assistant FBI Director
“Swecker, who’s also a former prosecutor, anticipates Durham will deliver criminal charges, a written report or some combination of the two around the first week in September, if not sooner. “He must get his work done and out to the public by Labor Day,” he said. “That way he avoids any accusations that he was trying to impact the election.”
And the same insider Swecker also said: Indictments of the CIA boss, James Comey and James Clapper are not expected. “It’s hard to prove criminal intent at their level, and unless there’s a smoking gun, like an email or text, they’ll probably get off with a damning report about their activities.”
Well folks, it’s past Labor Day…just sayin’
So who are the Prism contractors referenced above
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/09/11/understanding-the-fbis-two-hop-fisa-surveillance-of-the-trump-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-8761939
Facebook, Google and seven other major Internet companies are allowing the National Security Agency direct access to a wealth of users’ data, according to a repoPRISMrt.
PRISM, the program involves the NSA accessing the emails, documents, photographs and other sensitive data of users from all nine involved companies, according to a PowerPoint presentation obtained by The Washington Post and The Guardian. The PowerPoint was provided by a whistleblower in the intelligence services.
https://mashable.com/2013/06/06/prism-tech-companies-data-mining/#vP5Mr4hNRZqR
Access granted to [Prism] contractors *from foot note 69*
So when SAIC and Booz finished analyzing the information, it was send to it’s customers.
Most likely the 17 IC members. To include the Military, CIA and FBI.
The more one reads Sundance, if you had any previous doubts about the corruption in the USA Justice Department! At this late stage and all the evidence exposed does anyone believe AG Bill Barr is anything other than the enabler for the Swamp! Another Bush Dynasty Puppet? Then we got ……….DURHAM we shall see what happens before November 3, 2020.
Nothing of real consequence will happen to any of the perps before, on, or after November 3.
It’s mid-September and we’re still waiting for Barr’s long ago promised action by spring.
Barr won’t be AG forever. He should be prosecuted not only for covering up the coup conspiracy, but for enabling the conspirators’ ongoing efforts.