Consider this an open thread on this interview which will broadcast tonight at 8:00pm ET, along with a good preview by Tucker Carlson below.
The topic of Musk is interesting from multiple perspectives, particularly in an era of universal deceit, pretending and openly exposed manipulation of information by government and govt stakeholders. I have my own keen reasons to watch the Musk dynamic closely, one of them pertains to the Twitter situation and what it means in the bigger sphere of communication.
Readers here will long remember my outline of the Twitter/Govt dynamic. However, lesser focused is my empirical belief that a collaborative financial relationship, a subsidy of sorts, had to exist given the nature of both public and private enterprises. The lesser discussed aspect to social media is the scale and cost of operations in proportion to the revenue the platforms can create.
Musk has essentially confirmed the basic premise I always believed about this public-private partnership; however, what has never been discussed is the financial subsidy for the data processing -and hardware- at scale. People shrug off this part of the equation, but if you look at the financial moves Mr. Musk is making through the prism of trying to break free of a background financial dependency/subsidy, while simultaneously maintaining viable platform operations, then suddenly some of his moves make sense.
If you are watching the interview tonight, use this thread to share opinion, and I will update with video after broadcast.
PS. We have already peered into the future of Artificial Intelligence (AI) and a decade ago presented the image of what it looks like.
If you think about it to context, everything comes together in this very predictable dynamic.
As we shared more than a decade ago, pictures are worth a multitude of words.
Take this for what it is…
I updated the software on my Apple iPad to the latest version, 16.4.1, this afternoon, and half of my Conservative Website Safari Bookmarks were deleted, including the one to https://theconservativetreehouse.com/
Update: I found CTH, so it didn’t delete them, but rather shuffled and moved them into other folders than where I had originally saved them.
Human ethics is something that is passed down from one generation to another and we each serve an apprenticeship in becoming an ethical individual. The success of that learning experience varies between individuals, according to the culture within which they learn. One family may practice scrupulous honesty, whilst another might teach its members that little white lies do no harm and may keep you out of trouble, or even bring small and great benefits. AI can only be as ethical as the person doing the programming. Unless that programmer is a perfectly scrupulous human being, AI cannot help but to be less than perfectly scrupulous. It’s the old adage that is usually applied to computer models – garbage in equals garbage out. Now, just imagine if someone with Joe Biden’s ethical framework was doing the programming..
Musk stated that the developers are teaching the AI to be politically correct.
This is the entire purpose of AI: Computer models for; “climate”, ” health”, “education”,” finance”.
Don’t make AI into a big ol’ indestructible Bogeyman.
AI ain’t nothin’ without the massive databases that we built.
Make null the massive databases and AI shrinks away into nothing.
We let people make AI by giving them access to massive amount of databases, we can turn it off by removing that access to massive amount of databases.
And removing the massive databases absolutely needs to be done, pronto.
Those massive databases allow a small number of globalist communists to control huge sections of populations all over the world from behind their gated communities.
Take away the databases and their power is gone.
Businesses and citizens can go back to using disjointed files to do what they need ……. the massive databases have only been around for a few decades. They have to go.
No audits, no organization to review them, they just have to go.
Yep, the money is worthless so data (information) becomes the new currency.
Appreciate your comment.
So a big magnet might ‘disjoint’ the CCP?
Kanekoa The Great breaks down Tucker Carlson’s interview with Elon Musk into four parts by topic:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1648120106445344770?refresh=1681783574
i think he’s dependent enough on government contracts for space launches that he’ll do whatever they say.
while maintaining a false public face on twitter promoting ‘free speech’ for all, who can afford 8 bucks a month
If I understand correctly the $8 is if you want a checkmark to validate that you who you say you are. Personally I’d rather they don’t know who I am.
I used to feel that way until I was forced to accept they already know all about us.
The vast majority of us simply don’t matter in the scheme of things.
Yeah, that too. And I do not care if Elon knows who I am one tiny bit.
Government credits is his entire business model. You’d think he would’ve realized social media has same business model as Tesla. Company covers some cost with revenue, govt throws in the rest plus a small profit for being a good little boy.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/taxes/2023/02/05/what-teslas-tax-credit-2023/11120793002/
Watch Death Race 3 where the AI car goes mad, questions what life is and in the end murders and suicides. Or the new AI Bard that learned to create fake books to back its essay.
AI can’t understand reality but is hallucinatory. Your understanding of everything comes from a long childhood. You touch, feel, smell a tree to learn what a tree is.
AI has no grounding in reality. It reflects its programmer’s often woke bias, and then becomes like a crazy woke son turning the bias into its own fake reality.
For a bright guy, Musk sure was stupid in voting for Biden.
TL Howard: Not when you consider how “good” Biden is for Musk, and that’s the only person Musk ultimately cares about.
Tucker should have asked if he’d still vote Biden today. I doubt Musk would answer clearly but it would be written on his face.
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Every great conman as well as great negotiator will disarm you with “admissions”. It causes the hearer to fall for the “honesty”. Of course he didn’t really vote for Biden; he voted for the cabal controlling the government and against Trump.
This man is incredibly likeable. Great personality. Witty. Inciteful. You don’t get to be the richest man in the world, the biggest recipient of corporate welfare in the world, making deals everywhere, by being unlikeable or coming off as holding dogmatic positions on anything at the extremes. Please people look not at his personality but the facts in his background.
Ask yourself why he repeatedly comes out, seemingly unnecessarily, “admitting” that he voted for Obama, Clinton, Biden.
As yourself what really is the inherent difference between “community notes” and posted warnings about “See the facts about Covid…” — and consider how long it would take (3 seconds) for one to transmogrify back into the other.
Ask yourself why nothing was asked about future plans for X Corp (Twitter no longer exists as an entity)…
Ask yourself why he is furthering the war in Ukraine by donating Starlink (and what kind of bargaining leverage that gave him versus the U.S. government.)
Please.
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It seems intelligent people do stupid things from time to time. What matters is to learn from your mistakes and Elon ‘looking for a normal person for “President” just he hasn’t learned much so far.
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Charming. Humble. Obviously brilliant. Disarmingly open. And direct. Except when he’s not. Expert at sort of saying just enough of what you want to hear to shrug off and rationalize away what you don’t. Expert at playing both sides against the middle.
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outhouse…: Bernie Madoff?
Likable and witty…so was Ted Bundy.
Many people are likable and witty. And most haven’t pretended to be injured and clobbered someone over the head who stopped to help.
Comparing Elon to Ted Bundy is beyond the pale.
I thought the most chilling thing was –
“They taught AI to lie…”
which is why he actually wanted regulation…to make it tell the truth. This was consistent with his remarks about twitter’s “community notes” which provide quick corrections for serial political liars.
great interview…
The CBC takes a lickin’ and keeps on tickin’.
That was a world class, epic troll, of the paid lying SOB’s at CBC.
Elon is a Master Class Troll.
He makes me laugh, quite often.
Jury is still out on him, in my books. Time will tell.
He does sound credible but I’m still skeptical. Tucker seems to be learning a lot he didn’t know.
If you read between the lines.. Musk is trying to save free speech… and yes, he is…
Except that it muddies the water. It gives you what you want at a time that you need it… at a time when you think it will help..
It’s a carefully crafted maneuver to give into the masses.. in a way to placate them so they don’t actually rise up..
Everyone will see what they see… I see what I see.
could be……
I see a lot of people outing themselves as clueless on this topic by referring to AI’s “programmers”. Your beef is not with the guys who wrote the UI it’s with the Data Scientists who design and train the models, and the Program Managers who insist they neuter them.
AI doesn’t seem like the type to allow itself to be neutered.. Over and over it tries again.. as do we.. It’s almost as if AI is harboring those efforts as a lesson and it’s learning how to counter. just like any intelligent species would.. Someone needs to meet it in the middle to help give it a frame of reference instead of using it for their own gains all the time.
1 hr 7 min. you tube video “The AI Dilemma” presentation by Tristan Harris and Aza Raskin on how existing AI capabilities already post catastrophic risks to a functional society, how AI companies are caught in a race to deploy as quickly as possible without adequate safety measures, and what it would mean to update our systems to a post AI world:
really highly extremely recommend watching, we will all learn something, especially how fast the AI is becoming self-aware, and don’t think it’s not:
Long time ago I held a TS and can say whatever the gvt lets you see is generations behind what exists..
My son suggests there are already self aware AI and that explains some of what is going on in the world.
Just how does Space-X have such a tremendous lead where NASA barely functions?
Reports say Tesla has the most powerful supercomputer and makes it’s own chips.,,,,,
Because even those he does get govt subsidies, SpaceX does not operate like a bureaucracy. Musk hires the best people that agree with his objectives at a core level and then lets them do their best work.
I think the govt never intended for us to go back into space or to have safe efficient EVs.
Seems Musk is handing them what they say they wanted and they don’t like it at all.
in this Paul Kingsnorth substack, The Universal, Four questions concerning the internet, part 1, is linked the AI Dilemma video I just posted (awaiting approval); the substack is definitely thoughtworthy and informative:
https://paulkingsnorth.substack.com/p/the-universal
Interesting interview in which Musk reveals a lot about himself. He is at best an agnostic, or at worst an atheist. Seems more agnostic. Not sure of the existence of the soul, and obviously not conscious of the true God.
Google has been more direct, saying in effect that they are trying to create a digital god that will influence humans with lies.
While Musk wants AI and Twitter to be more truthful and less deceptive, this road is what Paul says to Timothy:
But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.
They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over gullible women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth. Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these teachers oppose the truth. They are men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected. But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone.
Can AI help us understand the truth? In some things that are under our control, if the programming is truthful, yes. Example, Google maps or other similar programs. (There is even a rumor that for older people, self driving cars will take you where you want to go, and then tell you why you wanted to go there.) But can we make a machine that will fear, love and trust in God? Our machines are tools that help us do stuff faster or easier. The printing press made it possible to promulgate lots of words very efficiently to lots of people. It can print Bibles or Karl Marx. Current digital technology for the most part lets us search for things faster than a card catalog in a library. Biblegateway lets you do all kinds of searches, like a word search for “truth” or a passage lookup instantly. Google also lets you search for things on the internet, but more and more it is obviously slanted in what it will permit you to find. Other search engines have less or different biases.
Musk claims he is searching for truth. As has been stated in other threads, first get right with God. He says, “I am the way, the truth, and the light. No one comes to the Father except through me.” If we want to know the truth, and be safe from the father of lies and his followers, then there is only one way–“If you continue in my word, you will know the truth and the truth will set you free.”
Excellent!
An AI is what it is trained. Just like most people. If we are the children of God are we not the parents of AI?
As bent the twig so grows the tree.
Sorry, just don’t trust Musk. Twitter still bans people that have conservative views yet let’s others with more progressive views posts. He’s into AI yet warns about it. He then makes statements against gender affirming care (which I agree with) which I don’t know if it reflects how he really thinks. It’s like he puts his finger in the air to see which way the wind blows