Last night Fox news host Tucker Carlson reported on a whistleblower contact from within the intelligence community who informed him the NSA was conducting electronic surveillance of his private communication (email and text messages). Tonight the NSA responded via Twitter:
Techno Fog spotted something most of us would also note {SEE HERE} the NSA statement is an obtuse non-denial. However, there’s a lot more in that statement that should alarm everyone. I don’t know if I can cover it all here; this is actually serendipitous for a larger framework article I have been working on. But here’s some top-line initial reactions.
First, notice the time of the tweet message. Exactly 8:00pm to coincide with the beginning of Tucker Carlson’s broadcast. That’s typical political operative snark, which wouldn’t be too surprising if it were not the fact this is from the National Security Agency.
Many people in/around the intelligence apparatus have noted and confirmed to me that most of the modern human resources, within the working analytical part of the intelligence apparatus, are immature, solitary and emotionally stunted individuals. Accepting things as they directly appear, this subtle snark is actual confirmation.
Second, “Tucker Carlson has never been an intelligence target of the agency“, is akin to the NSA previously saying the 17 Republican candidates in the 2016 presidential race were not “officially” targets of metadata surveillance; the extraction just happened because, well, it was rogue contractors from our partner agency (FBI) using the facilitation of the NSA database for their opposition research. Oh, well, if that’s all it was… and not official NSA conduct… then, well, okay, move along. Or something.
In essence, TechnoFog’s point is well taken: “there’s something else going on here,” indeed there is.
Third, don’t get too granular to the point where you cannot just see the exhibited political nature of the statement. Someone at a very high level of the NSA wanted to transmit this obtuse denial in order to give the media some framework for an Alinsky rebuttal along the lines of : right-wing ‘conspiracy theorists’ concoct wild accusation by lying about the world’s premier electronic data collection and intelligence operation. It’s the high-minded defense that appeals to an elitist world-view of being above the fray.
The peasants are revolting and our above reproach NSA institution will not be defamed on such matters. The New York Times, Washington Post and Politico will take that framework and run with it.
Fourth, the last paragraph is stunningly false to anyone who has watched the events of the last few years unfold within the intelligence apparatus writ large. “The NSA has a foreign intelligence mission“…. etc etc. Yes, technically and legally that’s accurate. However, if the NSA is exclusively a foreign intelligence mission, then why does the FBI need access to the NSA database in order to conduct surveillance domestically? Additionally, if the NSA is exclusively a foreign intelligence mission, then why would domestic law enforcement operations even be allowed access to that database? The entire NSA narrative in that paragraph is brutally false; obviously so.
Fifth, this is not about Tucker Carlson. This NSA response is directed to the claim by Tucker Carlson, but the NSA response itself is now the story here, not the Carlson claim. This response should alarm everyone. Personally, I would never expect the NSA to be so transparently political in any external communication. The visibility is indicative of a more politically bold agency. We’ve seen that bold ‘in-your-face’ approach a lot recently from the FBI, DOJ, DHS and Defense Department.
As said, I have much more on this subject that will be released in the near future… In the interim this NSA “tweet” only highlights the baseline that Americans need to accept.
There are now officially four branches of government. The modern and corrupt Intelligence Community, the proverbial “IC”, is the intelligence branch that supersedes the executive, legislative and judicial branches.
The Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches of government all defer to, and facilitate, the Intelligence branch.
The Intelligence Branch of government is a public-private partnership that includes governmental agencies and private sector technology groups, Big Tech. The partnership is funded in part by public taxpayer dollars and massive financial interests like BlackRock and Vanguard. The IC Branch is a partnership between the U.S. government and the private sector; that is why various elements within the Intelligence Branch use ‘contractors‘.
Imagine how much BlackRock and Vanguard would be willing to pay for access to the NSA database that collects the electronic data on every single transaction, communication, and record of every entity in the entire country. Imagine how much money BlackRock and Vanguard could make with access to every single bit of private information within the U.S. business world.
Now that you understand the value of the public-private partnership within the newest and most powerful branch of government, the Intelligence Branch; ask yourself this question:
…What would they do to protect it?
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Rereading and re-reading the last sentence can I ask what kind of admittance is that?
have they never scanned anyone in the USA.?
I wonder what Tom Fitton thinks of that outright falsehood? Can they be forced to admit to the US courts their innocence or malfeasance
uS courts
Surely Tommy Fitton, Farrell, and Orfanedes will soon pounce on this too. https://www.judicialwatch.org/is well aware of Carlson’s work as is he of theirs.
Imagine Blackrock negotiating an investment deal where they offer expanded business inside information to CCP investors by creating more digital business transactions – you know like if there was some way to keep everyone isolated from each other and using digital communication more instead of in person meetings and they had some high level authority to access the info….hmmmm I wonder what would accomplish that……
We’re now blessed with 4 corrupt branches of government. Wow!
We HAVE BEEN “blessed” with 4 branches for at least 4 decades…
Now it up to Tucker. The proof of burden is on the accuser. Getting hotter .. media just got their marching orders.
It’s not getting hotter unless the msm states it is. Hopefully Tucker will not drop this, he seems to be the only journalist out there, besides OAN, that has any guts.
NSA may not target a US citizen without “a rubber stamp from the FISA court” that explicitly authorizes the targeting.
As a cost saving measure, would it be better if the forms were printed pre-approved instead of using those old rubber stamps?
Indeed. That was my FIRST thought when hearing of this spying on Tucker. That the FISA Court must have signed off on the spying.
Why would the FISA Court sign off on this?
Well … because the POTUS cartel and their FBI lackeys have publicly declared that white supremacists are an imminent threat to the Nation. They’re all insurrectionists, who wish to topple the *cough* *cough* legitimate President.
And who more than Tucker Carlson is attacking CRT? Attacking the schools for teaching “white people are devils”. What could be more “white supremacist” than that … Right? Any white person who refuses to acknowledge their “white privilege” … is now defined as a “white supremacist” by our 17 Intelligence Agencies.
Therefore … the FISA has been weaponized against Tucker Carlson. To … save … America
You educated us very well on all of this, Sundance. This is nothing new
I can easily believe that the Spook Agencies illegally spy on any American they perceive to be their enemy. I’m sure they do this all the time given congressional oversight that is somewhere between lax and nonexistent.
What I don’t understand is how doing that to Tucker Carlson and then leaking the info would get Tucker taken off the air. What is he doing in his private work related communications that would have that effect?
If Tucker is using a computer or phone provided by Fox News Corp. then anyone in their IT department would have access to his emails, etc.
At this point how is it possible that someone like Tucker Carlson isn’t using an encryption app? You would have to be extremely naive to remain this vulnerable to hacking given such a high profile.
the seriousness of the charge is all that matters now. they (MSM)can rough up Tucker and make him look like a crazy white nationalist, and that’s all it will take. Fox will be ‘bombarded’ with angry calls and emails. And then one less voice. whether Tucker is guilty is of no consequence. re-read Sundance above; what will they do to keep all of that power they are amassing?
I don’t believe they target people in quite the way your sentence implies. I am of the opinion that they hoover up ALL the information they can about ALL of regardless of location and relationships with actual or imaginary national security threats. To the extent they “target” someone, it is in the sense that some has been identified as a person of interest and they comb through their databases looking for connections and evidence.
While the amount of data to be stored and indexed is huge, Google showed the way. And if you examine the question of national security from an amoral, no concern for the Constitution only concern for the survival of The State at all costs, it is the only logical way to proceed. Trying to chase the threat after it has been identified is a fools errand. Too many unknowns. Better to have all the data collected before hand and piece it together after you become aware of the target. That way you can also target accomplices and get the full scope of the conspiracy.
Yes, it is completely corrosive to a Constitutional Republic with protected rights. It is also inherent in the operation of any intelligence agency in the modern age. You couldn’t do it in the past because we didn’t have the technology/manpower. But we do now.
Sadly I haven’t the faintest of notions of how to reconcile the need for national intelligence with the continued existence of a free people. Do away with the deep state and the state is super-vulnerable to external enemies. Leave it in place and it falls to the deep state and we’re as lost as with external enemies.
Obviously you can’t see Mexico from your kitchen window.
A Reckoning approaches now with increasing velocity, but of course the normies remain oblivious to it all as do their overlord post-modern neo-marxists in concert with the increasingly exposed McConnell-McCarthy factions.
ALSO: Not to be missed is this morning’s Bannon’s Warroom interview with DARREN BEATTIE which I believe will tag as Episode 1060 when shortly posted to Rumble, https://thenationalpulse.com, and others. Additionally, Pete Navarro’s segment includes info about 3M (Minnesota Mining and Manufacturing) that may be new for some as it was for me. Also referenced is Rich Higgins memo exposing Trump WH serpents led by McMaster: https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/3922874/Political-Warfare.pdf. Rich Higgins is sick and can u$e help: https://www.gofundme.com/f/medical-help-for-rich-higgins/donate
Taking the NSA statement at face value, it would seem the NSA also has no idea what the NSA does.
That would be mildly entertaining, were it not so blatantly frightening.
When did “need to know” become “deliberately mislead?”
“Imagine how much BlackRock and Vanguard would be willing to pay for access to the NSA database that collects the electronic data on every single transaction, communication, and record of every entity in the entire country. Imagine how much money BlackRock and Vanguard could make with access to every single bit of private information within the U.S. business world.”
Now I understand the value of blockchain for everyone
NSA can’t possibly believe that this weaselly anonymous press release would cause anybody to conclude that Tucker was anything but completely correct. Was this a wink, wink? Or as you say, snark? Or are they so arrogant to believe that people still trust and believe them?
Having read through every comment on this thread, it is quite obvious that there are differing opinions on Fox News and Tucker Carlson. Is Tucker’s newest revelations about the NSA, FBI, etc. spying on him real, or is it and his network Fox just more “controlled opposition” as many believe? Who knows at this point in our present condition of corrupt insanity in our country?
It is hard for me to trust anything I see or hear on any so called “News” outlet, including local affiliates, because of all the bias, political leanings of staff, etc. Remember on thing, the “news” is nothing more than a scripted show with the on air content being shown is decided by managers, producers, editors and the likes. The on air personalities are nothing more than the script reading messenger.
Looking back on the “Russian Collusion” hoax, Foulchi Covid fiasco, Vannity “tick tocks”, election fraud in our faces, Bill Barr, John Durham scam, BLM/Antifa riots with nothing done about them, the so called Jan. 6 “insurrection BS, and many, many more, I can no longer trust anything at face value. I am skeptical/suspicious of everything put out there as a narrative or distraction from some bigger plan to destroy the Western civilization as we know it and turn us into peons for the NWO elites.
Also remember what that traitorous Chuck Schumer said of President Trump (that also applies to the rest of us). “Let me tell you: You take on the intelligence community — they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you.” It appears that the Decepticons, as Sundance has so artfully pointed out, are in full speed mode, to finish Obama’s plan of the (Marxist) “Fundamental Transformation of America”.
The real question is who can you really trust since we, the Constitutional loving American patriots, have been sold out over the last decades by the NWO elites to gain power and riches while we are spoon fed propaganda BS by the so called media? The latest example being the blatant stolen election, the back stabbing treatment of President Trump, the subtle destruction of the family and the continuing “insurrection, white supremacy and systemic racism narrative being shoved down out throats on every newscast, corporate advertisement on TV, TV “entertainment” shows, etc.
That Schumer quote.. the Swallwell quote about the govt having nukes in reference to the public. And now Biden saying the same thing; ‘you guys dont need AR15s and you cant resist anything we want you to do.. cause we got nukes, man’ … they aren’t shy anymore about threatening us.
Coalman, very well stated. I look at “news” with a jaundiced eye. Regarding Tucker, imo he’ll do and say what it takes to keep viewers, as will Fox, although he presents more interesting subjects than the rest of the media.
“Tucker Carlson has never been an intelligence target of the agency“,
That is probably the most outrageously disingenuous bit of deception in the statement. With two-hop FISA warrants, they can always keep their true targets secret. As if we didn’t already know that.
For example, when they wanted to go after Trump, they didn’t GO AFTER Trump. They just taped a microphone to Carter Page’s forehead and sent him into the campaign. They took all of Carter Page’s communications, then took all the communication records of everyone HE communicated with (the first hop), as well as all the communication records of everyone THEY communicated with (second hop). Page sends an email to Don, Jr., who sends an email to PDJT. They now have all of PDJT’s communications to peruse. But Trump (wink wink, giggle giggle, nudge nudge) was never “the target.” puhleeze
NSA standing in the middle of the room with powdered sugar all over its face, on its fingers, and jelly drips on its shoes: “You didn’t SEE me take the donut.” Bunch of middle schoolers.
So without a FISA warrant against TC…who was the “Carter P” to 2 hop into TC’s electronic communications?
We will never know who they had a FISA warrant on. They don’t exactly publish the names in the newspapers. But Carlson does investigative reporting that puts him and his staff in touch with a lot of people. If any person anyone on Tucker’s staff ever communicated with had a FISA on them, the NSA then had the staff member, and when the staff communicated with Tucker that gave them Tucker and all his records. And if you really want Tucker, it ain’t rocket science to mentally game out how to get to him in two hops.
See, the thing to keep in mind is that they aren’t going out and planting bugs. The NSA already has all communications of everyone. All of it. They already have it all. And they look at anything they please any time they please. All they are doing is coming up with a way to paper up a FISA warrant to legitimize the rummaging in the records that they’ve already done.
President Trump is vising the border right now. Can you not provide any video of that? Ignore the Crosby story, the deep state planned that in advance knowing President Trump is visiting the border today. They planned the Crosby DISTRACTION in advance, for all the shiny object people. I’m just wondering where he can see his visit?
“More will follow” — hopefully…
“They” said President Trump wasn’t a target either…
SD’s analysis of the demeanor of the “individuals ” behind this is spot on…it actually sums up g’ment employees…losers in the private sector, certainly diverse and jealous of anyone more successful than them…
Real question is “Who gave the order” to proceed?
NSA’s admitted “has never been” and “has never had any plans” are both past tense weasel words that don’t address their Current or Future plans regarding Tucker Carlson.
The NSA can still use the same technique they used to spy on Trump’s WH officials (Gorka, etc.), by claiming that their electronic comms (emails, etc.) were routed through a foreign connected server so NSA agents can then consider them to be Foreign based comms, even though they originated in the USA and therefore,.. these comms are subject to the NSA’s mission to monitor foreign based comms/intel.
Viola, circumvention of the law. ‘Too clever by half’,… Spies.
For those banking on the FISA court protecting American citizens, don’t hold your breath. Did anyone get prosecuted for violating President Trump’s rights in a FISA Court Fraud scandal that was a million times worse than WaterGate? Recall that Rosenstein got off scott-free for signing what the FBI knew was a warrant based on Fraud, by saying to Congress “I didn’t read the document.” Do you think that any of us wouldn’t be held accountable for signing a document? These people are crooks, through and through and they all cover for each other.
Recently read that The Hag likes to call the 800 Suicide Hotline,…. to place an order!
BLM/PantyFa has already been Sent to his residence to terrorize his wife and child,… while he was away from home. Such scum.
…but they said “…in an EMERGENCY…” Who declares said “emergency?” NSA? How clever; their own prosecutor, judge and jury.
Also feel there is insider help from FAUX to assist agencies and intimidate Carlson – (despite ratings he’s a thorn in their side).
There is an existing “health emergency”. And Tucker has not been shy to say that the virus came from the Wuhan lab. If I had to guess, this is what they will try to do – extract some stuff and put that out of context to say that Tucker (and others) were CREATING a conspiracy about the Wuhan lab.
Yes, we are critical of Mexico and other Nations, but look at ourselves. We cannot trust a soul in DC. What a sad thing. Many of us defended the Government for years, and years. Bush 1, Buch 2, the alphabet Agencies. Many of us defended it all.
Hard pill to swallow knowing your Government is not any better than your typical corrupt developing state.
Liars, hypocrites and racists. Nothing new there.
I wonder what Sharyl Attkinnson would say about this letter?!
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-is-heat-dome-pacific-northwest/
Beck talks to investigative reporter Sharyl Attkisson — who’s been spied on by the government herself — about why it’s more likely than not the government IS spying on individuals and WILL get away with it.
Edward Snowden. Every e mail, text, phone call, etc. is recorded by the NSA. Right Hillary.
…What would they do to protect it?
A:
“There is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control.”–President John F. Kennedy
Pres. Harry Truman, Dec. 23, 1963: “For some time I have been disturbed by the way CIA has been diverted from its original assignment. It has become an operational and at times a policy-making arm of the Government. This has led to trouble and may have compounded our difficulties in several explosive areas.
I, therefore, would like to see the CIA be restored to its original assignment as the intelligence arm of the President, and that whatever else it can properly perform in that special field—and that its operational duties be terminated or properly used elsewhere.
We have grown up as a nation, respected for our free institutions and for our ability to maintain a free and open society. There is something about the way the CIA has been functioning that is casting a shadow over our historic position and I feel that we need to correct it.”…….
The guy who founded the CIA 16 years earlier calls for it to be nearly abolished –exactly ONE MONTH TO THE DAY AFTER JFK’S ASSASSINATION.
Interesting…
Rest in the Vine: Truman’s True Letter In the Sand
The fundamental change.
We are so fk’d!
“Imagine how much BlackRock and Vanguard would be willing to pay for access to the NSA database…”
Reminds me of the Promis software theft.