Red State has a good article expanding consideration of the Sara Carter exclusive this week surrounding a recent DOJ and FBI admission to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence about the special counsel, Andrew Weissmann, “recreating” the original Woods File to support the June 29, 2017, Carter Page FISA application.
[Red State Here -AND- Sara Carter Here]
In essence the questions are: why would the special counsel need to re-create a file? And if so what would be the purpose behind “losing” their original?
However, CTH would add an overlaying question: What investigative event would precipitate the DOJ approaching the FBI to inquire about investigative “files” secured and handled by the special counsel?….. Such that the SSCI would need to be brought into the information pipeline recently.
Perhaps !
The 2018 timeline here is very specific. Both the Wood’s File (for Horowitz review) and the investigative file of SSA Brian Dugan (for Jessie Liu review) would have to be handled within a very similar special counsel time-frame. Questioning one could certainly lead to more sunlight upon the other. Perhaps time will tell.
It is hard, almost impossible for every day Americans to comprehend just how evil, how corrupt our FBI and Department of inJustice really is. The necrosis is endemic and morbid. 96% of all political contributions from the DOJ and State Department (No doubt the entirety of the US Govt. too) go to the DNC.
People like Andrew Weisman Mueller etc. are literally DEVILS from hell.
There is no fixing this corruption.
It is sickening.
These traitors – in another era, would have been hung by the neck till dead.
Today, they get gigs on MSNBC.
The left has taken control of the education system, all media and the government bureaucracy. They have been very successful with this strategy. Have sufficient numbers of American people figured this out and willing to fight back? The elites manipulating the strings have trillions at stake and are not going away voluntarily.
“96% of all political contributions from the DOJ and State Department”
Wow, where do you get this information? Is there a link you can share? It would be very valuable for me to share as a predicate in countering to those who laugh off all the Spygate stuff as unfounded conspiracy theory but are unable our unwilling to do the deep dive.
Looks like it is 97%.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2016/10/26/report-97-percent-doj-employee-political-donations-went-hillary-clinton/
Thanks!
…or CNN…
Agreed 100%
It’s pretty clear how the Woods File was lost.
There is a report that a woman on the night-time cleaning crew at the J. Edgar Hoover FBI building came across a large pile of electrons during her shift. She figured they were just random trash, so she swept them up and dumped them into her rolling trash bin. It’s highly likely . . . almost certain . . . that those loose electrons were the Woods File, somehow shaken loose from its computer storage . . . then innocently swept aside.
So . . . is that pile of electrons still together somewhere? Or have they been randomly scattered and thus irretrievable? It’s funny how electrons shake loose like that . . . but it DOES happen.
…they are in the bit bucket…
I it was in digital, there is a back-up somewhere. It most likely never existed.
Remember what Eric Snowden did? He had administrator clearance and thus could see, add, and change the database with no record of doing so. You can bet that Weissmann has a Woods File deepstate administrator. Or Weissmann bribed/blackmailed one.
Remember that James Comey allowed that access level to his buddy. Recent articles by Sundance reveal that Weissmann, who was running the DOJ for the figurehead Rosenstein, could do the same.
I am beginning to think that the ONLY way to “drain the swamp” is to pray for a 1,000 year die off…..the ONLY way……
The way to drain the swamp is to prosecute the criminals, it’s the only deterrent. As long as there are no repurcussions, the behavior will not change.
That is absolutely correct. There is no downside to being allowed to retire or be fired with full pensions. Some now have multimillion-dollar jobs with Fake News and the others mostly went to wealthy law firms for their rewards.
Certainly, Barr must know that if he does not put at least a dozen top-level DOJ and FBI criminals in prison this will occur during every election the Left has the presidency.
A lot of the blame also goes to Mitch McConnell who will not approve an honest Attorney General.
Bob, I know Snellville well…was a lawyer out that way…yes, Barr has EASY indictments. And Mitch is beyond filthy.
I suspect that Mitch made Barr promise not to go after Congress to get his nomination approved.
The contents of Gleeson’s amicus will reveal the deep states’s plan going forward. I’m sure in the least, it will contain inflammatory talking points for the Dems to spin more injustice and to give cover for all the coup players. Flynn will eventually win but not before talking points of a complete politicization is set in motion going into the November 3 election.
One thing is for sure, I would not want to be Bob “it’s not my purview” Mueller or Weisman right now in regards to the original missing Woods files.
Curious to see if they continue to rely on and build on the “public good” as an entity with standing. It’s collective and inclusive and probably even green.
Obviously a nefarious and malicious act by high level crazed administrators which had to be directed, known, and sanctioned from the highest levels. A lot of people had to be aware of this act, therefore Barr & Durham need someone to “talk.” From my experience of handling classified documents, every one was inventoried and signed for. If one went missing, then your ass went missing.
Correct. “The dog ate my homework” can’t cut it at this level – or any level past that of a good parent.
“The profile, dated August 1, 2016, quoted the 2009 EC regarding Page’s statements to the FBI about his contact with the other U.S. government agency.” (shipwrecked crew/IG Report)
2009
Further demonstrating the farcical and redundant nature of the Clinesmith episode.
The FBI had IN THEIR OWN EQUITIES from 2009 that Carter Page worked for the CIA
Shipwrecked crew lays out how FISA 3 (April renewal) was shaky at best and almost didn’t happen because it already was “going dark” (yielding little of value)
If 3 was shaky why renew 4?
Both of these were ultimately “invalidated”.
SD has brought up in relation to the invalidated CP FISAs 3 & 4 that Mueller is protecting evidence they gathered.
None of the potential evidence possibly gathered by a Carter Page FISA seems to even be remotely related to the cases Mueller ACTUALLY PROSECUTED.
I can think of only ONE reason they kept renewing: to spy on the TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.
“Case Agent 6 told us that although he reviewed the FISA collections when he was assigned to the Carter Page investigation in February 2017″
Find (SEQUESTER) those FISA collections and see what they are.
That’s what the FISC ordered Barr to do.
Find (SEQUESTER) those FISA collections and see what they are.
That’s what the FISC ordered Barr to do.
No, the FISC did not order Barr to sequester the info. On the contrary, the DOJ told the court that is what they were doing, and the court i.e. Judge Boasberg, ordered them to provide more info to him on how and why.
From the order signed January 7, 2020 by Boasberg writes:
“The government further reports that the FBI has agreed ”to sequester all collection the FBI acquired pursuant to the Court’s authorizations in the above-listed four docket numbers targeting [Carter] Page pending further review of the OIG Report and the outcome of related investigations and any litigation.” Id. at 19-20. The government has not described what steps are involved in such sequestration or when it will be completed. It has, however, undertaken to “provide an update to the Court when the FBI completes the sequestration and to “update the Court on the disposition of the sequestered collection at the conclusion of related investigations and any litigation.” Id at 20. To date, no such update has been received.”
to interpret that:
The DOJ told the FBI to sequester all info gathered under the four Carter Page FISA warrants, and told the judge they may use that info in investigations and anticipated litigation. Boasberg wants to know how the FBI will sequester the info, and when it will be complete. He complains, so far he has not received any updates.
There is no indication (to me) that Boasberg is on the side of truth and justice, and for all I know, is fishing around to find out what the DOJ is up to relative to investigations and possible prosecutions.
The DOJ suggested it but the FISC ordered it:
“In order for the Court to assess whether the handling and disposition of the information acquired pursuant to the above-captioned dockets comport with these provisions of FISA, IT IS
HEREBY ORDERED as follows:
1. By January 28, 2020, the government shall make a written submission regarding the FBI’s handling of information obtained pursuant to the above-captioned dockets…..etc.
HERE:https://www.fisc.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/FISC%20Declassifed%20Order%2016-1182%2017-52%2017-375%2017-679%20%20200123.pdf
Yes, and I interpret that as the Judge saying, “DOJ, you can’t use that information for any prosecutions.” (Meaning, going after the cabal). In other words, the DOJ sequestered the data, told the judge, and now the judge is saying, “You can’t use that info to prosecute anybody.” Except gussied up in “I need an explanation,” as opposed to a straight up order.
“an explanation of why the retention of such information in the manner intended by the government, and any contemplated use or disclosure of it, comport with the above-referenced provisions of FISA”
I guess it is evident I do not trust DC judges.
The only way even an iota of justice is dealt is if there is in person pressure from the people. But we are a 98 pound weakling versus the 300 pound Swamp. We lack organization and will.
We now have between 4 moths to 4 years of relative freedom, depending on the results of the election , the we are crushed.
Relative freedom? The government literally prohibited us from assembling to express our greviances for civil rights being taken. If they can suppress that, they can suppress anything because the Bill of Rights is just paper at that point. You can’t assert your rights if the very means of doing so is quashed. Didn’t Barr say the DOJ would safeguard liberties such as freedom to worship, etc.? Have we seen the DOJ do anything tangible in that regard?
What are you doing about the emergency powers being granted to the governments in your state?
This is a state and local battle. That is where you should be fighting.
I’m from Illinois. I kind of don’t know what to do at this point. I’ve tried tea party demonstrations, led liberty groups, and contacted reps but in the end our state leaders blow it all off and the urban vote from Chicago has overwhelmed us when we try to replace them.
Stand by for the Trump card to be played. He’ll sweep the field clear and finish his run virtually unopposed. DJT has made Susan Rice, Hillary and Cuomo radioactive. Slow Joe for the loss.
In essence the questions are: why would the special counsel need to re-create a file? And if so what would be the purpose behind “losing” their original?
You don’t re-create a file when it never existed. You fabricate a woods file to match your objective.
Also peculiar is the Special Counsel Office reportedly recreated the Woods file in 2018, well after the last Carter Page FISA warrant expired. They did this after Sessions was sent packing and probably after Barr was sworn in. In other words, they said, “heh, we better cover our tracks.”
And yes, I do not for a moment believe the Woods file was lost. They never generated one for any of the FISAs, then when it looked like someone might look into their operation, they tried to “make legal” (as much as possible) their crimes.
That was my thought. The file was not lost. It never existed to begin with, and was only
recreated post hoc.So who are the people that must be involved in order to create a woods file?
Some advice I saw somewhere 3 days ago….
Files do not go ‘missing’ unless 7th floor direct involvement.
Follow the logs.
Rules without enforcement mean nothing. Procedures without enforcement mean nothing. And, a promise to reform the FISA process without enforcement mean nothing.
No-one has or will confidence in the FBI, DOJ or the FISA procedure UNTIL NUMBER OF MAJOR PROSECUTIONS ARE DONE.
The Justice Office of Professional Responsibility ignored the woods procedure and the system for tracking the progress of the FISA warrant was ignored or filled with lies as it relates to the Carter Page FISA warrant. To say nothing of the management responsible for the chain of custody.
In the past, when the FBI has presented inaccuracies to the FISA court, it’s been viewed so seriously that it’s drawn the attention of the Department of Justice Office of Professional Responsibility, which investigates Justice Department attorneys accused of misconduct or crimes in their professional functions.
The Woods Procedures were named for the FBI official who drafted the rules as head of the Office of General Counsel’s National Security Law Unit, Michael Woods. In April 2001. these rules were established to “ensure accuracy with regard to … the facts supporting probable cause,” after the FBI had presented inaccurate information to the FISA court several times, with “[i]ncorrect information …repeated in subsequent and related FISA packages,” the FBI told Congress in August 2003. Under the Woods procedures, each and every fact presented in an FBI request to electronically spy on a U.S. citizen must be thoroughly vetted for accuracy, and presented to the court only if verified.
“There’s no dispute that at least some, if not a great deal, of information in the anti-Trump “Steele dossier” was unverified or false. Former FBI director James Comey testified as much himself before a Senate committee in June 2017. Comey repeatedly referred to “salacious” and “unverified” material in the dossier, which turned out to be paid political opposition research against Donald Trump funded first by Republicans, then by the Democratic National Committee and the Hillary Clinton campaign….Yet Comey allegedly signed three of the FISA applications on behalf of the FBI. Deputy Director Andrew McCabe reportedly signed one and former Attorney General Sally Yates, then-Acting Deputy Attorney General Dana Boente and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein each reportedly signed one or more…”
https://ethicsalarms.com/2018/02/07/the-woods-procedures/
It has all been right in front of our noses.
So this guy did not, do his job! Think he left on his own?
Jeff Ragsdale is the Director and Chief Counsel for the Office of Professional Responsibility
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Mr. Ragsdale served as the Principal Deputy Director and Deputy Counsel for the Office of Professional from September 2016 to May 2020. Before joining the Office of Professional Responsibility, Mr. Ragsdale served as an Assistant United States Attorney for the District of Columbia for 29 years, during which time he prosecuted cases and supervised attorneys in numerous litigation sections, including the Homicide, Violent Crime and Narcotics Trafficking, Federal Major Crimes, Felony Major Crimes, and Grand Jury Sections. Mr. Ragsdale also served as a state prosecutor in Virginia for five.
https://www.justice.gov/opr/meet-the-director-and-chief-counsel
Sorry to disappoint, but… Monday, May 18, 2020
Attorney General William P. Barr Will Appoint Jeffrey Ragsdale to Head Office of Professional Responsibility https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/attorney-general-william-p-barr-will-appoint-jeffrey-ragsdale-head-office-professional
Well, it’s likely Jeffrey Ragsdale will need to answer why he did not properly handle the FISA process. And, for that matter – Barr, too
Who are the people who can remove files that are supposed to be untouchable?
A group of people starting at the New York field office. And progressing up the chain of command to the FBI director and DOJ personnel.
All should be prosecuted. Now what are their names?
My question is did Collyer receive FISA’s with or wothout Woods files?
The Woods file are internal FBI documents, and are not provided to the FISA Court.
To prevent misuse of the FISA, the FBI is supposed to go through a procedure, and document their evidence in a Woods file. I guess the idea is to document everything, and have people sign off on it, before using that info to write a FISA application.
On the other hand, if you do not go through the procedure, and do not create a Woods file, that means you are cutting corners, or possibly just making it up. That is my guess as to what Strzok and his pals did. They never wrote one, and years later, the Special Counsel Office thought it wise to create one to cover their behinds.
True
And if a President orders surveillance through the AG, is there a FISA and Woods file necessary? I have read all of the comments. Some are noting this on the first two pages.
If so, that would mean Weissman was creating the Woods file to twist the origin.
Sidney Powell wrote in last night pretty much agreeing with others’ findings.
Horowitz tipped off Special Council the Woods file was missing…BTW, how could Horiwitz “overlook” all the declassified information that has recently been revealed…Surely, he saw the Flynn documents?
The sad thing is all we can do as everyday Americans is vote, and now that is apparently in question too. Washerman Shultz is already trying to affect that.
I’ll bet Bill Binney could find some answers in double quick time, where it had been moved to or who had tampered with it.
“Perhaps time will tell.”
Perhaps time will continue to kick the can ahead.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the DC sewer backs up this weekend – too many bricks being flushed.
Meanwhile, despite Kosovo-Serbia peace and the unfolding plan, last night’s PBS News Hour led with the Atlantic’s “anonymous people say Trump called America’s soldiers ‘suckers and losers,'” and Biden was asked, “How does that make you feel?” Whereupon he read his prepared statement. I don’t know how David Brooks, or any of Jim Lehrer’s mentees at PBS look at themselves in the mirror.
The DOJ contacted the same guy who worked for Hillary and he bleach-bitted the files. Call Paul Trombetta to the stand !
FTA: “… the Committee was told that the contents of the file had been “recreated” by the Robert Mueller’s Special Counsel office… through examining the application and determining what factual allegations would have required supporting documentation normally contained in a “Woods File”.”
Translation: “… the Committee was told that the contents of the file had been “invented” by the Robert Mueller’s Special Counsel office, because once Trump been elected instead of Hillary, despite the FBI’s best efforts, the Special Counsel was basically forced to start making shit up.”
Still waiting for Barr & Durham to undo a great injustice and clean out the Augean stables at FBI/DOJ.
We’ve been told that the DOJ was waiting until after Labor Day to announce any prosecutions so that judges could defer prosecutions since they would come within 60 days of the election. If that is true, then we should hear something Tuesday. I won’t hold my breath.
It’s this kind of dysfunctional government that makes a person want to live in a cabin on a hill in Idaho ( Ruby Ridge) and live off the grid.
Discussing that last night. Unfortunately can’t handle cold, kind of limits the choices.
Perhaps the Woods File was not lost. The problem is that there never was anything in the Woods File to lose. The FBI never tried to verify anything.
There is a comment somewhere in this thread that, Woods procedure is not needed for a Presidential FISA only FBI FISAs. I don’t know if that is correct but if Obama started the FISA and the Special Council made up the Wood file later to hide that fact, wouldn’t that be a fine can of snakeguts?
Nice to see SD giving props to SWCrew. Both have different approaches but each do a great job deconstructing ObamaGate and looking/finding the truth. We are all on the same side and want justice. SWCrew taps the brakes, SD is peddle to the metal. The prize is to see these Obama crooks in jail.
Get a real techie in there who can find out what happened. There are traces somewhere. DO IT NOW!
How bout Crowdstrike?
No, they can go f themselves.
I would bet that the real Woods file met the round file. The substitute Woods file was created to fit the required narrative.
More FBI “lost” documents. Are they sure their dog didn’t eat it?
https://twitter.com/paulsperry_/status/1301906313459490816?s=20
Opps, wrong “lost” document.
https://twitter.com/paulsperry_/status/1229859895345909767?s=20
has anybody thought to check Weissmann’s nose for the missing woods files?? sometimes the most obvious places are…
Red state blog still has a very, VERY long way to go before I will so much as read nine words they’ve tossed in a heap.
Sara Carter has once again been used. Red herring. One would think Carter would learn after a few times, but, no.
SWC is discredited, imo. Works too much from emotion.
Parallel construction has been going on for years and years, and Mueller approved of parallel construction when asked several years ago during a Congressional hearing.
Red herring.
Why the need for DOJ/FBI to involve SSCI?
Never seemed to be such a need during former SSCI member and former DNI Dan Coates term, which ended Aug 2019.
But a need exists now.
Now isn’t that odd?
Still thinking on that one. Why a need to involve Legislative branch with Executive branch? Kinda seems like a separation of powers issue, huh?
Or a need to “guide” new SSCI Chair Rubio down the straight and narrow path?
Who knows? Perhaps Sen Warner should contact Deripaska’s attorney.