The Sentencing of Michael Flynn Represents a Very Big Problem for AG Bill Barr…

For the past week CTH has been outlining some lengthy research, highlighting key issues to help understand the background of what is evident.  If you’ve followed along, in this outline the individual pieces will all come together.  Bill Barr has a very big problem…

Andrew McCabe cannot be prosecuted in 2020 for the same reason James Wolfe could not be prosecuted in 2018. When we understand why we realize the problem that Michael Flynn now represents to U.S. Attorney Bill Barr.

United States Attorney General Bill Barr was not around in 2017 or 2018 when the DOJ was faced with the issues resulting from an investigation of intelligence leaks and Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (SSCI) Security Director James Wolfe.

When the prosecution of SSCI Director James Wolfe was being considered, AG Jeff Sessions was recused; the Robert Mueller probe was ongoing; and as a consequence Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein and U.S. Attorney for DC Jessie Liu were decision-makers.

I’m not going to repeat all the issues, you can re-read them HERE; however, the baseline is that Wolfe could not be prosecuted without running the risk of collapsing key institutions of the U.S. government. The consequences of a Wolfe prosecution were beyond the capacity of Rod Rosenstein, or the DOJ to handle.  There would have been massive constitutional crises created and the literal definition of ‘sedition‘ was at the center of it.

Accepting the 2018 objectives from Rosenstein; and factually I doubt Jeff Sessions would have made a different decision even if he was not recused; when AG Barr takes the helm in February 2019 he is forced to carry-over those same objectives.

In essence, regardless of Bill Barr’s outlook or opinion of what took place, he had no alternative except to defend the previous decisions.  As a result Barr has no option except to protect Rod Rosenstein.

If former Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe was ever to be prosecuted the same issues that surfaced with James Wolfe would surface again.  The actions by DAG Rosenstein in 2017 merged with the objectives of Andrew McCabe at the same time. {SEE HERE}

It can be debated whether Rosenstein collaborated with McCabe purposefully, or whether he was blind to the prior year corrupt activity within the DOJ/FBI and fell into a trap.  It doesn’t really matter what Rosenstein’s 2017 motives were; the facts show Rosensteins’ actions facilitated the goals of McCabe and the corrupt actors within the DOJ/FBI.

Those actions had consequences, very serious consequences, and those consequences are what matters.

There is no way of prosecuting Andrew McCabe without putting Rod Rosenstein into the same crosshairs of consequence. {Go Deep} Rosenstein facilitated the FBI operations being run by Comey, McCabe, Baker, Strzok, Page, Clinesmith, Pientka and eventually culminating in Robert Mueller, Andrew Weissman et al.

When you truly understand this context you also understand why Joseph Pientka III has a blanket protective order over him.  The all-encompassing protective order is as much about preserving and protecting the institution of the DOJ as it is protecting the fulcrum of corrupt activity Supervisory Special Agent One, Joseph Pientka III, represents.

The DOJ had to throw a bag over Pientka or eliminate him.  Thankfully, and not surprisingly, they chose the former and now he’s under protection.

DAG Rosenstein could not prosecute James Wolfe without exposing ‘seditious‘ activity within the U.S. government itself.  Not pretend sedition or theoretical sedition, but an actual pre-planned subversive operation with forethought and malice.

Likewise AG Bill Barr cannot prosecute Andrew McCabe without exposing the same ‘seditious‘ activity; which also encompasses the activity of Rod Rosenstein.  Whether Barr wants to protect Rosenstein is moot; if Barr wants to protect the institutions from sunlight on two years of actual seditious activity, he has to protect Rosenstein.

It’s the underlying activity that cannot be allowed to surface; the institutions of government are not strong enough, nor are they set-up to handle, prosecutions that overlap all three branches of government. [ex. read former questions]

However, that said, now AG Bill Barr is facing a downstream and parallel issue within the prosecution of Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn.  How can Michael Flynn be sentenced for lying to the FBI when the DOJ is necessarily refusing to prosecute Andrew McCabe (at least what has been made public) for the exact same behavior?

Against this dynamic, the DOJ has two options: (Option A) go even harder at General Flynn using additional charges that are not as comparable to McCabe.  (Option B) find a way to drop the prosecution.

This dynamic is why the McCabe prosecution was not resolved in 2018.  This issue explains why there has been such a delay in the McCabe issue(s) since Bill Barr came into the picture in February 2019.

If Flynn just took the plea, everything would have been easier for the DOJ.  There would have been nothing to compare between the two, and time would have created distance to avoid any real comparison.  But Flynn reversed position and backed away from the plea.

So what do we see?

We see McCabe given an institutionally necessary free pass, and now Barr bringing in another federal prosecutor from St. Louis to reevaluate Flynn’s position.  The two options are again being debated: Crush Flynn on other matters; or drop it.

Take the totality of all these issues together.  Think about them for a while…

…Now do we see why AG Bill Barr needs President Trump to shut up?

Rod Rosenstein essentially protected James Wolfe because he saw no way the institutions of the U.S. government could survive the potential evidence in a trial.  Setting aside opinion on Rosenstein’s enabling of the sedition; enabling underpinning seditious activity; the decision makes sense.  [Consequences too big to jail]

Bill Barr is essentially protecting Andrew McCabe, and as a consequence Rod Rosenstein, out of a similar necessity.  From AG Barr’s perspective, there’s no way the institutions of government could survive the potential evidence at a McCabe trial; and McCabe would call Rosenstein as a defense witness.   [Consequences too big to jail]

At the heart of the matter, in the real activity that took place, there was a multi-branch seditious effort to remove President Donald J Trump.  From the perspective of those charged with the actual administration of justice – there is no way to put this in front of the American public and have the institutions survive.  What we are witnessing is a dance between increasingly narrowing rails and the DOJ trying to find an exit.

All of this 2020 angst is a downstream consequence of the 2018 decision not to prosecute James Wolfe; and the specific reason why they made that decision.

Those who framed the sedition recognize Bill Barr’s outlook on institutional preservation is an opportunity to weaponize against him. That is why four prosecutors could so easily defy his authority and set Barr up with the Roger Stone sentencing recommendation.

The Lawfare team know Bill Barr is trying to navigate away from exposing seditious  corruption the same Lawfare team helped facilitate.  The Lawfare group know Barr cannot prosecute McCabe; and they know exactly why. The Lawfare group can also see Barr protecting Rosenstein; and again, they know the reason why.

The corrupt crew saw what the DOJ and FBI did when they had the opportunity to expose it all in 2018.  DAG Rosenstein was afraid.

In 2020 AG Barr’s value for the institutions is also why AG Barr is afraid…

The seditious group filled the DOJ fire truck tanks with gasoline, and then they lit the House on fire.  General Flynn is trapped on the roof…. The neighborhood is shouting at fire Chief Barr “put out the fucking fire you idiots“, and wondering why everyone is just watching the House burn. Meanwhile, there’s several firefighters who know what’s in the tanks, and they are standing, smiling, hoses at the ready, cheering-on the angry shouts from the crowd…

Washington Post Article Here

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President Trump says: Point the compromised firehoses at the smiling firefighters while making them hold the Zippo’s… then watch what happens.

The only way I can see out of this mess; the one crack in the current lock box; is the FISA court order for the DOJ to present the identified downstream consequences from fraud upon the court.  The FISC might actually be the ladder truck here.  With the DOJ and FBI currently assembling the investigative consequences, ie. the sequestration material, Flynn’s current legal status might be identified as an outcropping of fraudulently obtained FISA warrants.

Let’s hope those on the sequestration mission can return the information prior to the flames reaching the roof…

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1,327 Responses to The Sentencing of Michael Flynn Represents a Very Big Problem for AG Bill Barr…

  1. Jerry Hodge says:

    Until now, our country has survived a civil war, 2 world wars, 4 presidential assassinations, a presidential resignation, 3 impeachments, and a Great Depression. We have been involved in two ongoing hot wars for 20 years and nobody, even the Vietnam draft age Baby Boomers, and hardly anyone is talking about it. I think the average American can handle the truth here and that we aren’t headed off the cliff.

    The 63 million Americans who voted for Trump more or less already see what has actually taken place during the past four years. The democrats who oppose Trump also probably recognize what has taken place but don’t care about the ramifications so long as Trump and his allies are the target.

    Widespread loss of confidence in the sincerity or effectiveness of these institutions is already out there. If justice is not rendered and restored by revealing the truth and holding people accountable (prison time), then confidence will only further decline. Then, we would only be headed for even more serious trouble.

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    • TMonroe says:

      The lack of faith in the institutions — already an issue from those strolling into the country with no expressed loyalty or buy-in required — is the thing that would collapse the government much more readily than exposing the corruption and allowing us to take corrective action.

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      • Les D says:

        Winner winner chicken dinner. 5 stars ***** TMonroe

        I’ve read Sundance’s post thoroughly. I love him but for once disagree. I’m 70, a lifelong Dem minus Hillary so didn’t vote. Hated Nixon, both of both Bush’s, and the GOP since I was little. Can’t undo my upbringing. But along came Trump and this DOJ/Media/Judicial abomination, worse then anything ever on US Soil other then the Civil War, Pearl and 9/11.

        I gather that his conclusion is our country and institutions “Can’t Handle the Truth” ala Jack, and sedition would follow. I think it’s a small possibility, but only if Uncle DOES NOT expose truth.

        I don’t believe the Republic will explode into a seditious meltdown if the institutions called DOJ/FBI, the Senate Intel Committee, many in the Judiciary, and add which ever else may be profoundly affected are exposed. His premise is we can’t risk it. Mine is if we eat it, history is doomed to repeat.

        The federal law against sedition can be found in the same statute which includes treason, 18 U.S.C. § 2384. According to the statute sedition occurs when two or more people:

        Conspire to overthrow or destroy by force the government or to level war against it; or

        Oppose by force the authority of the US and prevent by force the execution of any law;

        Speech is not included so we’re safe on this Board, so far haha, there need be acts in furtherance.

        As far as I could find, the only ever charged with sedition were the Hutaree militia, dismissed in 2010, I think on a pre-trial motion; only ever convicted were Puerto Ricans 2x over many years.

        I think the Republic for Which We Stand is completely primed after 2 years of smothering media and in fact ready for something severe to happen after the chips fall. Sundance predicts, wrongly IMHO, in various sentences that “the underlying activity cannot be allowed to surface; the institutions of government are not strong enough, nor are they set-up to handle prosecutions that overlap all three branches of government, it will result in a massive constitutional crises created underpinning sedition with consequences too big to jail, there is no way to put this in front of the American public and have the institutions survive.” Way out there my friend, way.

        There is a way. The American way. Indict them. A Washington D.C. jury will never convict one of them. Both sides will be pissed or happy, satisfied or dissatisfied but relieved it’s over knowing there was a reckoning that nobody is above getting at least prosecuted for the felonies committed by their treacherous abuse of law enforcement, and happy at least the bums gone.

        Seditous? By exposing Rosy, Pietenka, Wolfe, his bosses Intel Committee Senators Burr/Warner and the rest of the FBI/DOJ/CIA whose names we know better then our cousins by now, and prosecuting them is going to collapse the Republic into sedition? How? By Nancy muttering stuttering: “Remember the Alamo/DOJ”? Schumer whining “This is a Day that will live in infamy”? CNN et al fake news-ing that the Russians have landed in NJ and the Chinese in LA and they’re coming to take the WH?

        I totally agreed with Sundance’s: “At the heart of the matter, in the real activity that took place, there was a multi-branch seditious effort to remove President Donald J Trump.” Full stop on everything else.

        Can’t eat their felonious, gravest form of sedition based on an unrealistic fear.

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        • Les D says:

          And 5 stars also to Jerry Hodge

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        • Tl Howard says:

          Perhaps the worst thing that will happen if they are not brought to trial is that the media will grow even more powerful, knowing they can say whatever they want and get away with it.

          We are where we are today because the FCC, which controls the licenses of ABC, CBC, and NBC, and cable networks + entities which pretend they are journalistic one can print, broadcast anything they wish and suffer no repercussions.

          It CAN get even worse, without action.

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        • usmclt says:

          Les, I had the same thoughts as you, reading this article. I have a hard time believing that our institutions of government are so shallow and delicate as to be incapable of top to bottom house cleaning. It smacks of the “too big to fail” arguments in 2008. I didn’t believe it then and I don’t believe it now.

          Organizations such as Congress, DOJ, FBI, CIA, etc are merely groups of people. And when any organization becomes packed with corrupt people, there can be no other solution but to remove them, by force if necessary. And if they cannot be removed, then burn it down and start over. The Constitution provides a perfectly good template for the rebuilding process.

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          • Les D says:

            Agree, there has to a reckoning. Convicted felons now in the joint for non-violent or already did their time would have a right to thnik WTF? I go to the shithouse, they commit a more serious felony and they go to retirement or TV gigs.
            Until Bagpipes at least indicts even his first one, he’s part and parcel of them.

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        • Aeyrie says:

          Agreed, Les D. Indict and try them. All of them. Since the possible Sedition and Treason charges involve actors in multiple integral branches of the government the indictments and trials, of necessity, need to be removed from their purview and conducted by military tribunal. As Sundance so eloquently points out, they cannot try themselves.
          We as a nation can survive that. We are indeed begging for justice! What we cannot survive is not facing what is, looking it square in the eye and dealing with it. We cannot cheat Lady Justice of her day in court with the perpetrators of the coup. If the Rule of Law, our foundational and abiding principle, ceases to work with equity in our country then neither does the country. It will be only a matter of time before we devolve into anarchy and cease to be. For the sake of the survival of our proud nation we MUST try them and let the convictions fall where they may.

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        • formerdem says:

          I agree. We can, too, cope. We already know about the sedition. It isn’t, will we spot sedition or not. It’s, will we see it coped with, or not. I do trust Trump and if he wants to wait a bit, OK w me. But if not, also ok w me.

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        • James smith says:

          Right on…Bring it on. The American people can handle it.
          Among other things—mainly many,multiple, simultaneous prosecutions—this ought to result in the dismantling of the FBI & CIA. Gotta flush out the Augean Stables & entirely restructure the intelligence community.

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          • American Heritage says:

            The CIA is probably too treacherous to be allowed to exist as the entity it has become, exercising power rivaling that of the three main branches of government. Some mordant humorists say the USA is not a country that has a CIA; the CIA is an agency that has a country.

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      • Harvey says:

        “…Now do we see why AG Bill Barr needs President Trump to shut up?”

        After reading this article, I would encourage Trump to NEVER shut-up!

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      • lieutenantm says:

        First step is for Barr to end Flynn prosecution…….he does not need an outside review to do this. And this buys hm a bit of time to fine tune what the FISA supernova might do….and who it might do.

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      • As a man thinkth says:

        …someone needs to be worried about elimination of illegal VOTING…after all that is the deep states mission in this phase of the insurrection….To me, this issue is the total ambush that we all know lies at the end of the road…redistricting is rampant…while state attorneys file suit
        Against purging voters rolls…

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    • jmuniz1 says:

      Trump lanslide

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    • Delsa Winslow Amundson says:

      Someone once said, “The truth shall set you free”.
      AG Barr needs to set our Country and our Justice Department Fee by prosecuting the guilty, no matter who they are or where they are employed! We have to put out Justice System back on track.

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    • jwh49 says:

      I think that it may be best if the FINAL nail be postponed until AFTER Trump has won reelection. Hopefully/prayerfully we’ll retake the House and be better positioned to do what’s necessary without demoKKK-RAT obstruceion

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      • SILVERSTREAK says:

        Comment deleted by Admin…

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        • coltlending says:

          Er where’s the ModSquad…this cupcacke deserves to be launched from the tree for the CAPS alone much less the content of the post.

          The Treehouse has give a wide berth of commentary as long as I can recall and rightly so.

          But this IMHO is beyond the pale.

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        • I was with you until you slandered the Jewish people as part of this outrage. C’mon man, people are corrupt, why do you have to slice it as though it’s the Jews, the Irish, the Germans, the Mexicans… whomever. We’re all made of the same stuff. Shut up if you can’t stay on track.

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    • Emily Summer says:

      Yes, well the law is only for you and me…John Q Public. Too big to fail? Give me a break!

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    • twohawk says:

      They ask for it, they will get it.

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    • David Jowers says:

      We can handle the truth. We need bright sunlight and a magnifying glass.

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    • Jerry Hodge is exactly right. If Barr thinks hiding this will be better, he is sorely mistaken, and things will only get worse. America and it’s great citizens are so much tougher, smarter & God-fearing that anyone knows. This will be Barr’s “Come to Jesus moment.”

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    • SamFox says:

      Jerry Hodge, LIKE!
      Anyone reading books from earlier times like None Dare Call It Treason, publications like The Spotlight and members of patriot groups like the John Birch Society have been seeing a lot of what was going to take place in the US government for decades. We are not worried about govt agencies being ‘blown up’; so to speak, by investigations & prosecutions. And perps going to prison! We have been hoping for just that.

      When KAL 007 was shot down & patriot Larry McDonald was taken out, we saw that tragedy for what it was. A powerful international cabal that would stop at nothing to implement their one world government. Today it’s called it the deep state.
      We got the usual title of conspiracy nut job then.

      The link I leave is a small insight– SamFox

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    • golfsullivan3113 says:

      Our institutions would easily survive the truth. Given that about 60% of America already know the outline of what actually happened, if NOTHING happens. that is what could be unsurvivable. There is enough media, even if only 5-10%, that will not let this go. Social media is also far too powerful to hide this. If need be, Trump will unload all of this to his 125M+ followers/retweeters. It would be totally against his nature to simply let this pass. It cannot be hidden and Barr knows this. His quandary is deciding what he wants his legacy to be. He will be crushed by either side, so he might as well choose truth. That way, he will eventually be proven as having done the right thing. We will see what he chooses. I pray truth wins out. I suspect it will come down to Trump unleashing the full fury of hell on the whole bunch including Barr, Durham etc. Sad thing is, their only out before that happens is assassination. I hope the Secret Service likes Trump and is working triple overtime.

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    • dottygal says:

      Exactly. I want those a**h**** in prison! I can’t believe how much they have gotten away with and continue to get away with! Now HRC is talking about being Bloomberg’s running mate?! She should be in prison for life for all her crimes.

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  2. Bear in mind, if PDJT loses this fight against justice – we all lose.
    If the Dems win the White House, Senate and keep the House in the next election, PDJT will be “destroyed” like Ben Rhodes(?) alluded to.
    The country’s best chance right now is for PDJT to force AG Barr or his REPLACEMENT to move and move fast against the perps.

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    • dwpender says:

      H&HC — There are some things DJT can do and others he can’t, despite being our “Chief Executive.”

      The prerogative to declassify and publicly release is HIS.

      He cannot “force” indictments. Barr and every DOJ attorney many levels down would resign rather than follow any such orders.

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      • The DOJ, FBI, etc. will slow walk the release of the documents until after PDJT leaves office.

        LET the President force all the perps to resign or fire their asses. We need a good cleansing in the gubmint.

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        • Pokey says:

          If he fires everyone, he looks like he has something to hide to most Americans. He loses the election, or at least loses the House and Senate. We lose. If he fires only the ones he can prove broke the law we will never get the Swamp cleaned out. He cannot fire someone because he thinks they want to force him from office, because all of these scumbags are innocent until proven guilty with known facts. If he fires Andy McCabe and can support his decision with facts, those facts will also support firing all others implicated by those facts. In this situation, the media will slaughter him with the double standard bullshit. Trump can’t just fire everyone and expect to survive it. He can clean up the mess at the cost of us losing the best President of our lifetimes.

          This mess is not really resolvable in any event. Our country is toast and the left knows it and they want the end of the Republic so they can replace it with Global Collectivism, so no matter what, the lefties will have a pathway to their stupid dreams. We can only put stop this crap at the ballot box by winning so large that they can’t even cheat their way out of defeat. They may respond by fomenting a civil war.

          So, we have to hope our leaders in government attempt to reform themselves, and that pipe dream is hopeless. Bureaucrats never reform anything because they only know how to conform to their own administrative protocols. It is what they were taught to know as trainees in the civil services, and they never get taught anything else. That is why they spend all day at work just spinning their wheels, pouring coffee, and forming committees to address problems that will never be solved by committees.

          President Trump is on the right track in finding ways to shrink the Federal Bureaucracies, but that is all he can do about the DOJ. He has to let them try to clean up their own mess, and he knows they never will. This is why most lesser Presidents discover how much they like bloated Bureaucracies after being in office for a while.

          Sort of circular, eh? This is my way of trying to support this article by Sundance. But at some point, all of America knows that something has got to give and all we know about the result is that it won’t be pretty.

          Are we in charge of our own government? I don’t think so.

          Please God, if you are omniscient, save us from ourselves. If you are just a celestial gardener, and maybe not even omnipresent, I would say that you have missed the mark with this little garden right here and I hope this message somehow reaches you.

          There, I have demonstrated how all this crap just makes an old man dizzy. The older I get, the more I want to believe in the hereafter. I submit that most people do.

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      • Les D says:

        DWPender, I think as to all of this FBI/DoJ stuff relating to Operation Insurance Policy, didn’t PT surrender to AG Bagpipes all authority to declassify or not?

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        • TWOHAWK says:

          What it was, was PDJT declassified, but left it to Barr to make public.

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        • dwpender says:

          DJT’s May 23 EO increased Barr’s preexisting authority to declassify and release, which covered only DOJ/FBI documents and information. The EO ordered other agencies — State, CIA, IC, etc to provide whatever Barr asked for, and gave Barr the authority to declassify and release such documents as well.

          The EO did not surrender any of DJT’s power to declassify and publicly release documents and information.

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  3. Tazio Nuvolari says:

    Seems the problem here is, the swamp isn’t going to clean itself. So who do we turn to now?

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  4. jdintx says:

    Sorry, but I have no sympathy for Barr’s “dilemma”. Saying the country “couldn’t survive sedition in all three branches ‘” is,quite simply,hokum. It’s a defense of the guilty; we’re actually protecting the very institutions we looked to subvert. There is no substitute for the truth; exposures will only make our country stronger, proving we truly are a representative democracy,responsible to the governed. Protecting corrupt institutions only protects those causing the corruption..

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    • Zippy says:

      “Protecting corrupt institutions only protects those causing the corruption.”

      That’s exactly what you get when you expect the system to investigate, indict and prosecute itself. The press was supposed to serve the function of watchdog to prevent that, but they are now totally an arm of the very same system.

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    • TMonroe says:

      Yeah, there’s no dilemma, rather hard work and dealing with the pushback from cronies protecting their gains and standings.

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    • sturmudgeon says:

      jdintx: Exactly right! The “institutions” being ‘protected’ talk is just going to allow this crap to continue. IMO, the Patriots in this Country would be very happy to witness “corrections” take place… the sooner, the better, and NECESSARY.

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    • lieutenantm says:

      I like this point above all and I certainly agree.

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  5. revarmegeddontthunderbird says:

    When I was a kid our house burned down.
    I remember when the fire chief ordered the men out of the house for the fear of the whole building collapsing on them. Them he told them to let it burn.
    We rebuilt the house. It was a lot of hard work and sacrifice, but we did it and ended up with a stronger and safer home.

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  6. aumechanic says:

    They will go full force to remove President Trump, Barr and all the rest, their reputations and institutions of power are their gods.

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  7. Georgia says:

    With a straight face the DOJ and FBI prosecute “criminals” — we now know these hypocrites are nothing but criminals — along with DC Federal Judges involved in FISA fraud and otherwise — none of them have any moral authority to “prosecute” anybody! — What a loathesome lousy bunch of the lowest of the low they are — the Mainslime Media is actually worse than them even….

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  8. Max Tadpol says:

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    • California Joe says:

      AG Barr is more concerned with the reputation of corrupt DOJ and FBI officials who tried to frame the President of the United States for a crime that not only he didn’t commit but a crime that never even happened than the office of the United States President!

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      • One lesson from the book of Nehemiah, is that you can’t rebuild… until ALL the rubble is cleared. You can’t rebuild a structure, system, or institution, on a foundation of rubble (corruption). House cleaning is necessary. Exposure and prosecutions is the only way forward, even if by Military Tribunal. They won’t prosecute themselves. “He that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds be exposed.”

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  9. susanremer says:

    Short list of Events that Bill BArr was around for and did actively provide legal cover for the criminal SWAMPSTERS: Ruby Ridge, Iran-Contra, WMDs provided to Saddam during the Iraq/Iran 8 year war all at the direction of GHWBush & the same old same players. BArr is back on the job to make sure none of the SWAMPSTERS would face real justice (Epstein is not dead).
    Our right to effective self-defense and our right to express “unpopular thoughts and repugnant opinions” guaranteed by the 1st Amendment are under attack by William Barr/DOJ and will be further criminalized by Trump’s executive order powers — psychological predictive analysis in a dangerous tool in the hands of Govt, but that’s where we are at. The Blind Followers and Cheerleaders won’t mind at all because it was Trump who did it for “our own protection.”

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  10. Keith D. Rodebush says:

    Something we have all said at one time or another. The reason it will never be fully exposed is because numerous members of Congress from BOTH parties were inextricably involved. It will only be fully exposed through Martial Law and a military tribunal. Even then, if an Obama holdover fake general is put on the panel of judges you can kiss it all good-bye once again.

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  11. This is a government of the people, by the people, and for the people. This country was built by the hand of God through our wise founders. The institutions themselves may not survive, but so be it. We the people, guided by God, can rebuild new institutions.

    What the country cannot survive though, is to allow the cancer to infect and overwhelm everything it comes into contact with. That would truly be the end of our country. The only thing left would be a hollowed out shell of what this nation once was.

    We must bring those responsible for this to justice. The punishment must be severe and swift. Without it, we would be letting our enemies know that we are weak and have no stomach for defending ourselves. And then our demise would be quick, painful, and permanent.

    So we have only two choices. Both will involve difficult days ahead. One though will maintain our freedom. The other will bring about our enslavement. I know what my choice will be. What about you?

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    • lieutenantm says:

      can’t be topped:

      “This is a government of the people, by the people, and for the people. This country was built by the hand of God through our wise founders. The institutions themselves may not survive, but so be it. We the people, guided by God, can rebuild new institutions. “

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  12. dscuyamungue says:

    What a load of rationalizing crap. Why on Earth would protecting institutions so thoroughly corrupt and seditious be a good thing? It’s a cancerous growth that if left in place will kill the patient. Cut it out now and we’ll learn to live with the scars.

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    • lcsteel says:

      Sundance seems to claim that it is because – “It’s the underlying activity that cannot be allowed to surface; the institutions of government are not strong enough, nor are they set-up to handle, prosecutions that overlap all three branches of government.”

      I don’t agree with him.

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      • Pew-Anon says:

        I addition to what I posted just below, it should be pointed out that SD is not necessarily endorsing this view personally. SD is speaking from the perspective of Barr and other swamp-keepers. It is THEIR conviction that the “institutions” will not survive. But see below for my comment on the issue of “institutions”, which is what all the fuss seems to be about.

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        • lcsteel says:

          That may be how you view it but not me. I read it as it was written and provided a quote…there are more.

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        • Les D says:

          Pew-Anon, I agree. I did a long post on this today agreeing with you on Sundance’s piece being so way out there about Barr can’t do anything for fear of sedition. In retrospect I think it was so,so,so way out there, that Sundance was spoofing us.

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      • zorrorides says:

        Sundance is describing to us the thoughts of the main players inside government, those who could be tipped into acting against deep state and the coupists, and these are their rationalizations.

        Sundance stands firmly for America and our Constitution. He may feel the cabal will NOT back down now and take punishment plus decades of set-back: the circumstances now may be choosing to let them take full control over us, or oppose them with violence and war until one side is victor.

        And of course there may be variants. It’s future, and I guess we’ll see what happens, folks.

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        • lcsteel says:

          It sure read like it was Sundances thoughts as well. I hope it’s not,and think he should clarify it.

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          • jello333 says:

            This wouldn’t be the first time that Sundance has posted a jarring, in-your-face WARNING about something. On various subjects over the years, this has happened from time to time. I take it as a slap in the face to us (here) AND the “outside” world… WAKE UP! Read the plain meaning of the words, but also the WHY.

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            • Les D says:

              Jello, We all admire how hard he and his staff work and the goods he delivers almost daily, why we love him and CTH. But I read his piece four times closely. I don’t think there were any nuances and felt it was straight from him—but way, way out there on sedition tying Barr’s hands. I also read the posts in effect saying those like me are reading it wrong. Not too many dummies here, so I respect those posts.

              Maybe a clarification if he thinks those in my category didn’t get it or missed something.
              I thought later being retrospective of my early responsive post that maybe he was spoofing

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          • TWOHAWK says:

            I think it’s All SD’s thoughts, and those he is projecting on the subjects of the article.

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    • Pew-Anon says:

      I posited earlier that all the furor over this article has to do with what we assume SD means by the word “institutions”. Though I didn’t explicitly state it in my post, perhaps instead of the normative institutions we are all thinking of, SD is referring to the rogue surveillance apparatus that the Obama admin used with impunity and has probably existed since at least 9/11, Because that’s what all of this is ultimately about. Illegal surveillance. Not just by a few bad actors, but by an entire surveillance system on an institutional scale. The normative institutions will obviously survive a corruption purge and it is absurd to suggest otherwise. However the rogue surveillance institutions will not. This is the “Higher Calling” of which Comey spoke, and the technocratic foundation of Uniparty power going forward. From the perspective of swamp-keepers like Barr, it must be protected at any and all costs. From this perspective, SD’s assertions about institutional survivability make much more sense.

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      • steph_gray says:

        I’ve been reading here daily since mid-2016.

        I am of the opinion that sundance is speaking from the point of view of the “institution protectors” in this article, not from his personal point of view. He has done this sort of thing before. It’s something of an intellectual exercise.

        Perhaps he will step in at some point and enlighten us which way he really meant it, but until he does, that’s the take I’ll go with.

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  13. zozz1 says:

    Lock ’em up! Start at the top, and work right on down through every last coup plotter/participant/conspirator; lock ’em up. Let the chips fall where they may. Time to bring down the final curtain on this drama…

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    • fractionalexponent says:

      In 2017, DOJ had 118,110 positions and a budget request of $29 billion.

      The size of a small city, with an average income of $245,553.

      Mooching off us and using laws against us.

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  14. Heika says:

    I think this is a perfectly analysed summary of exactly what has happened.

    An indulgence on this.

    As I get older I often ponder times in my life where I did not back down over something due to justice, or truth vs pacifying to sustain the peace. As a young woman, I found it odd that people would do that, just shut up for the sake of not rocking the boat. I constantly got myself in the poop because of it. It felt like I was fighting from the day I was born because people chose to just lie or live with the deceptions if they knew the lies. I kicked, screamed and punched my way through my early life (metaphorically) feeling things were just not fair. I am sure many here understand this feeling, otherwise, why would we be here fighting for justice?

    More recently I ‘tried on’ zipping my mouth on an issue that could have caused fireworks in the family for the sake of my son (I never had before, I was always the one that stood for justice/rights and defended the weak even if they had been nasty to me) – and ‘it’ (the conflict) just went away. It was like magic.

    No one threatened to kill me or started up 20-year malicious rumours to put me down, they just went on their way oblivious to my ‘thoughts’. I was not scapegoated (as I always had been for all my life for speaking out). I was just a benign pleasant old woman who might get an invite to the next Christmas dinner because I shut my mouth. I was just a long-serving public servant if you will who would get invited to the Chrismas function, and given my gold watch after all. I would remain in the club.

    I was stunned. So this is how others had always been, this is why they chose the ‘low road’ of ‘doing nothing’. It was so much easier to just put it under the rug. Therefore evil exists.

    At nearly 60 I mused the strangeness of the world and how systems are preserved. Through lies.

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  15. rcogburn says:

    In September, McCabe’s lawyers put out a statement with a list of Obama officials ready to defend him in court. The Obama team immediately pushed back. They had to retract the statement and McCabe looked like an idiot for putting it out in the first place. At the time, it was hilarious – an embarrassing over reach.

    Based on SD’s analysis, it looks like the McCabe goofy statement wasn’t intended for us – it was intended for Bill Barr. Perhaps they were expecting those officials to push back, and were counting on it. It served the same purpose as James Wolfe threatening to subpoena the entire SSCI committee. McCabe’s threat: if you try to take me down, here’s who else will be implicated, and how I will take the institutions down with me.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/09/16/mccabes-lawyers-say-obamas-team-will-defend-him-obamas-team-say-what-huh/

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    • Paul Cohen says:

      This list reads as a good starting point for deep state scum who need to be PROSECUTED.

      The idea of any of them serving as “character witness” for any of the others is just so farcical.

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  16. zekness says:

    Public Safety Announcement:

    contained in this link is a list of former DOJ prosecutors who represent a real clear and present danger to the United States of America. You are warned to take notice of their movement, inspect their financial affairs in every way, where they eat, when they travel, shop and seek leisure time. You are cautioned to approach these people with a high alertness to any unusual behavior or conduct. These people represent the filth and scum of the darkest corridors of the corrupt anti-american, anti-constitution, godless deep state.

    Any actions towards exposing these individuals for misconduct, no matter how sleight or trivial, will be considered the highest priority and is considered action that is necessary to preserve the safety of your community, the society at large and a defense against these people who are challenging the very essential foundations of the rule of law and fair and objective justice system in the United States.

    Actions you may consider is to investigate every singel case and action in any lawful proceeding, investigation and association that is suspicious.

    You may refer any complains to your state attorney general and also to the US Attorney General’s office, as applicable.

    Furthermore, you are encouraged to ALSO take any action of recommendations to the local state attorney board and associations from which these people are licensed.

    In addition, you are empowered to write to every single paper and network and appeal to the editorial section such that a broader public set of facts are laid out to inform the public what misconduct or suspicious activities you have noticed and feel are worthy of notice that will lead to a formal investigation.

    You may also post these names in any social media and make any complaints known to any news blog or any other internet communication website that will publish/allow it.

    View at Medium.com

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  17. Bogeyfree says:

    So let’s recap all of the “incidents” that have occurred over the past 8-10 years and you tell me if truth and justice is paramount and if there isn’t a two tier system of justice within DC!

    1) Uranium One – No Crimes, No Indictments

    2) Hammer 47 Hard Drives – No Crimes, No Indictments

    3) Anwan Brothers – No Crimes, No Indictments

    4) HRC Unsecured Server & 33K Emails – No Crimes, No Indictments

    5) Wiener Laptop Email Contents – No Crimes, No Indictments (outside Wiener)

    6) DNC Server Hack – Alleged Crime, No Indictments

    7) Seth Rich murder – No arrests

    8) Fake Dossier and fraud on FISA Court 4 times – No Crimes, No Indictments

    9) Years of FISA Abuse – No Crimes, No Indictments

    10) Years of FIB Contractor Abuse – No Crimes, No Indictments

    11) Carter Page FISA Leak – No Crime for Leaking (just one count lying)

    12) Numerous other Classified Leaks – No Crimes, No Indictments

    13) Numerous referrals to DOJ – No Crimes, No Indictments

    14) Numerous Agents violating policy – No Crimes, No Indictments

    15) Ukraine WB fraud – No Crimes, No Indictments

    16) Insubordination by Military Officer – No Crimes, No Indictments

    17) Impeachment Fraud and made up narrative by House Leader – No Crimes, No Indictments

    18) Ukraine Money Laundering – No Crimes, No Indictments

    Seriously, look at this list and virtually NOTHING from our Government!

    I’m not sure it is even statistically possible but here it is.

    I think as more and more Americans see lists like these couple with the lists of their people who got a pass and our people who get indicted, they clearly see the bias and injustice.

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    • fractionalexponent says:

      From their inception,
      CIA thrives on regime change, foreign and domestic.
      FBI thrives on process crimes, imagined and invented.

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    • TrustyHaste says:

      Add Epstein murder to that list.

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    • glissmeister says:

      Respectfully, the underlying premise our political orthodoxy (oligarchy) keeps shilling in grand gestures of pathological codependence boils down to what Sundance identified above: “… the baseline is that Wolfe (or anyone else whose silence represents oligarchic best interests) could not be prosecuted without running the risk of collapsing key institutions of the U.S. government …”

      Where is the lie in this? There are several, but THE BIG LIE is the false presumption presupposing the status of the institutions as “not collapsed.”

      The Truth: We only have such episodes because our key institutions HAVE ALREADY COLLAPSED. Thus the rationalizations are as bogus as the lie is big.

      We face an orthodoxy within Congress and within the legal profession which behaves dangerously like a royal court presuming cryptic supremacy with implicit oligarch. Perhaps even more dangerously, seeks to practice and maintain power outside the scope, training and abilities of their credentials and professional disciplines.

      The Truth: People like Lindsay Graham, Chuck Schumer, and others spouting this non sense are merely opportunistic harvesters of a political nature. They are not growers, not builders, not healers. They are not creators. They are not engineers. They are parlor creatures, glorified clerks of broadly varying larcenous intent who entirely depend upon government for power and income. In their Dunning-Krueger world of confirmation bias, parlor poses and preening, they are as likely to be destroyers and predators upon innocence, good faith and transparent truth.

      They cannot even face the truth our key institutions have already collapsed and need to be restored by rebuilding them to Constitutional specifications.

      I am still appalled how Lindsay Graham and others are so breathtakingly incompetent they are unable to grasp and support the self-evident factual findings of William Binney regarding the conclusive non-hack on-premise download of the DNC files given to Wikileaks. Lindsay says that didn’t happen, that Binney is wrong. Lindsay says everybody knows the Russians did it.

      What Lindsay should say is: “I’m mostly ignorant about this technology stuff and I still need to speak with Mr. Binney, our former NSA Technical Director about what he has found.” This would be speaking truthfully. But Lindsay has so far refused speak truthfully and that is profoundly disappointing and certainly very troubling.

      This micro example of Lindsay Graham’s failure in re William Binney presents striking evidence that our institutions (under the influence and direction of the orthodoxy/oligarchy) have already substantially collapsed and desperately need Constitutional restoration.

      We face a crises of unremediated malignant bureaucracies that were created in the early 20th Century. These are not bedrock, but arbitrary institutional additions to our Constitutional government. These are but artifices of an obsolete organizational modality borne of the Edwardian era which still function in a weirdly Victorian fashion; provincial, priggish, riven with snobbery and self-serving condescension.

      Progressives are merely a distempered version of the priggish provincials. Communists and Socialists are products of the same Edwardian and Victorian eras.

      The Constitution is fine. It’s founding ideals are good and never more relevant. nOur Founders and Our Founding are rooted in the great ideas of The Enlightenment Era which predates those eras. Our nation has been built and has arisen despite the hostilities and predations of Edwardian and Victorian temperament and institutionalism. We need to more commonly recognize that dominant thinking of the 19th and 20th Century was anti-Enlightenment, anti-individual, anti-personal liberty and very anti-American, especially within our own government’s institutional culture.

      Our Bureaucracies were not formed with the same mission or institutional culture arising from Enlightenment thought that guided the founding of our nation or the thinking of those who did so. These are alien corporate constructs which were aberrant when formed which continue to evolved into pathological sepsis. They are now like Zombies roaming dangerously through the economy and politics of our nation, diminishing our Constitution, and killing both it and the American Dream with irony, duplicity and compounding tragedies across our modern American commons.

      This is way bigger than somebody did something bad. Much bigger than something is wrong and somebody needs to be punished. So much bigger than finding fault and getting even. Look at our schools. Look at our universities. Look at our major cities. Look at the FBI, CIA, DOJ and others.

      Our institutions are desperately sick. Our nation is strong and getting stronger, but our institutions are desperately sick. If we fail our duty to heal and correct the malignancies in our inherited Victorian-era schooling and government institutions, everything could be lost to the gangrenous duplicity, the normalization of bureaucratic disease and the creeping ennui of institutional malignancy and inculcated individual incompetence.

      These are not just problems of law and punishment, these are crises of Era, perverse momentum and failed assumptions. The enormity of the task before our VSGPDJT and his team cannot be understated. Forgive my rant but do give the underlying and historically driven issues more consideration; think more about the magnitude and the gravity of the underlying institutional problems and the desperate need for constructive, effective response. The “old” is not the problem. We are the problem.

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  18. richq11 says:

    Justice is more important than the seditious people that have subverted it. If Barr was to openly and honestly name and prosecute the individuals responsible the institutions of government would survive. The purpose of government, the DOJ specifically, is to uphold justice- if they fail to do so then the institutions are not worth saving. America can survive its fools and incompents, but it cannot survive without honesty in the DOJ.

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  19. sundance says:

    Um, for those who don’t understand research. Just because a person (me) explains the dynamic of what is taking place, doesn’t mean that person (me) agrees with any of the actions by the decision-makers.

    Quite the contrary.

    However, I must say it would have been nice to have some help in July, August, Sept., October, November and December 2018 when I was predicting exactly where we are today in 2020.

    As soon as the Wolfe indictment was unsealed, and as soon as the FISA application was declassified, I was sending the biggest warning flares I could assemble to warn what it meant.

    Few, wanted to listen. Most were more comfy with the Trusty Planner nonsense.

    That’s exactly why in the last half of 2018 I strongly tried to get everyone to realize the consequences of that July 30th, 2018, fork in the road….

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    • theasdgamer says:

      So, it seems that the upshot is that elections don’t matter any more. Deep State is supreme.

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    • lcsteel says:

      Thank you for clarifying it because it certainly read very differently to many of us.
      Unfortunately in 2018 I was still serving in in Afghanistan. I did however appreciate you bringing attention to the dropping of charges on Wolf to cover the senate committee corruption.

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    • Mongo Mere Pawn says:

      Agreed. It is just very hard to contemplate the real probability that there will be zilch accountability for an honest to goodness attempted coup in a country where the people are supposed to be sovereign and the law is supposed to be applied equally to all. The political class knows we know what happened, and I include both Democrats and Republicans in that awareness. Not only do they not care that we know, they rub our noses in it daily. Too often do I read and hear the sentiment “Burn it down!!” That is what should concern AG Barr and anyone left in DC who actually cares about our founding principles. Do you want a constitutional or banana republic? Unfortunately, too many of our betters are more than comfortable with the latter.

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    • Les D says:

      Thanks SD, a little clearer now, just seemed like it was your thoughts and not someone else’s. And thanks for your incredibly time consuming, detailed, informative posts, and this blog.

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  20. Joe Christopher Renaud says:

    So why should these completely corrupt public institutions be allowed to survive when all they will do is continue the crimes and corruption? Let them all burn down to ashes and then rebuild them from scratch.

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  21. Flight93Gal says:

    I suggest POTUS meet privately with Nunes, Radcliffe, Sydney Powell, Giuliani, Sundance, Bongino, Rush, Lou and Grassley ( Grassley’s recent tweets call out the two-tiered justice system so he may now be on the side of truth and justice). The purpose? To form a core team that develops a plan to declassify documents and identify criminal coup participation BY NAME…institutions be damned!!!

    We need champions in the Congress (Nunes) Senate (Grassley), DOJ (Powell is former but I will take it), Executive branch (Giuliani) TV and Radio Media (Rush and Lou) and Web (Sundance/Bongino) to work as a war room team, united in their messaging daily, to both call out this corruption and ultimately enable a grass roots campaign that pressures the DOJ to do the right thing while it leads the public to understand the truth, the whole truth and NOTHING but the truth!

    How awesome would this team be that represents an anti drive-by-media and anti seditious Congress perspective?

    ONWARD MAGA 2020!!!

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  22. RAM says:

    We’re accustomed to House and Senate Republicans failing to follow through when crimes are committed. Trey Gowdy and Lindsey Graham, to name but two, play this game. When the DOJ dodges its own responsibility, it’s just more of the same. John Roberts, too. The system they all connive to protect is the anti-Constitutional substitute for our Republic. President Trump needs more than tweets to put down this rebellion.

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  23. AJ. says:

    Trump needs some isolation. He should have never fired Bannon, Flynn, Gorka, etc…. He needs to start challenging McConnell

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  24. Andy1 says:

    An institution is not saved by ignoring and not prosecuting crimes committed by employees. Rather the institution is destroyed. If a police department has cops who are beating up blacks, the police department is not saved by protecting and failing to prosecute the criminal cops. On the contrary, the department is saved by strong administrative action and prosecutions of the guilty.

    Here, in the case of the DOJ/FBI/CIA, the consequences are much more weighty. At stake are the rule of law and the survival of the Republic. If these lawbreakers are not prosecuted, the stamp of approval will have been put on lawlessness. Kiss the rule of law and our Republic goodbye. Let’s not confuse protecting criminals with protecting an institution.

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  25. fractionalexponent says:

    1192 replies. Looks like you struck a nerve.

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  26. askeptic says:

    If the institution is this weak and corrupted, it must fall for the sake of saving the country, no matter who has to go to jail for their crimes.

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  27. Andy1 says:

    Here’s my view on the McCabe case. The dismissal of the case against him was a critical mistake. That case provided leverage over one of the most important participants in the coup plot and related crimes.

    The most important goal with regard to the coup plot is to accurately document what happened start to finish. To get the whole story, we need a few critical people who were at the nerve center of this plot to flip and confess and to lay out the whole story. These people are Strzok and Plientka, who can tell us what happened at the operational level, and McCabe who can tell us what happened at the higher echelons. It’s relatively unimportant that these three be prosecuted. It’s more important that they confess the truth, lay out the whole story, and identify the actions of more important participants like Comey, Brennan, WH personnel, Simpson, and of course Clinton..

    To get these three to flip, we need to bring charges against them which can then be used to secure their cooperation. We had charges against McCabe that could have been used for this very purpose, but dropped them. Mistake, imo. The charges should have been used as leverage.

    I guess what I’m saying is I’d rather sacrifice prosecutions of McCabe, Strzok, and Plientka if they would cooperate with prosecutors and tell the whole story and finger the big fish. We’re not going to get the whole story on the plot any other way, imo.

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  28. Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

    If this analysis is correct
    and I think it is
    Then it’s all over folks
    or
    Johnny get your gun..
    I think SD is right
    ” the institutions of government are not strong enough, nor are they set-up to handle, prosecutions that overlap all three branches of government.”

    Even if Barr wanted to correct.
    He can’t.
    Our govt could deal with SEDITION at it’s beginning.
    But not now.

    Time to reclaim my free time.
    Good luck to you all.

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  29. jim8737 says:

    There are not many in the political arena that can withstand the constant BS pressure from the Left and their sychophant presstitutes.

    That is why Trump was elected.

    Bill Barr should learn this lesson and grow a pair.

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  30. Bullfrog says:

    i disagree entirely. rip the bandaid off. our institutions may be damaged, but they’ll be damaged beyond repair without accountability. The American people (most anyway) are not so ignorant or stupid as to be unaware of whats going on. Nor are we too weak to deal with the fallout. Do we want our posterity to regard us as cowards and pansies? If the obvious, provable truth of this corruption is not bared for all to see, they will surely curse us for the yokes our fecklessness has put around their necks. And history to be written will rightly regard us with well deserved contempt.

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    • TrustyHaste says:

      And it is not the entire institution that would fall apart. A few people would be punished.

      If Barr does nothing, then trust is gone. He becomes part of the slimy swamp.

      I don’t think he wants this, but he is struggling with staying alive and getting the dept administrative state (deep state) to cooperate.

      Not easy. Just like Trump, he is one person. Powerful for sure, but reliant on others and surrounded by snakes.

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  31. Bannaghar. says:

    Be Not Afraid.

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  32. Mortimer says:

    Allowing the corruption to go unpunished is far worse than the damage to the institutions.

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  33. You Know I'm Right says:

    So much corruption the institutions will collapse if it is revealed? The government needs to be flushed if there’s that much systemic rot! That’s how we got here! What a ridiculous circular pile of doggie doo this reasoning is.

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  34. Mortimer says:

    Above all, it grinds me to see the Comeys and Brennans making snarky comments as they go unpunished.

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  35. TJ says:

    There is an even bigger picture here, than just a bunch of narcissistic and angry “Deep State” bureaucrats not getting their way, and who then committed the most egregious crimes found in all of US Law or recorded in US History. As well, this was not committed by one or two seditious actors. This was a small army, who had to have calculated they would not be caught, or the consequences may well include life in prison, and by law, death.

    But they were brazen. They knew they would not face consequences of because they were part of the ushering in something new and bigger.

    We have to be willing to come to grips with this “bigger picture”, understand it, and call it what it is, or we cannot really identify the REAL underlying motive for the “liberty ending” and “America sovereignty ending” crimes committed.

    It is not an accident, multiple intelligence entities (poc’s) from EU and WTO nations, were working in real conjunctive conspiracy with multiple US IC agencies and Obama, to stop a specific candidate from reaching POTUS, and then necessarily to eliminate the patriotic America and liberty loving POTUS. It really should be clear now, this election represented a severe break in an intentionally undisclosed decades old elitest effort and timeline, toward real enforceable global government.

    To lose the largest economy and most powerful military in the world, is to at least temporarily render enforceable subjugating global governance mute. Decades of left-wing indoctrination of American children and society into “climate change” and nationally destructive moral relevancy and hedonism, and decades of global governance loyalists within our DOD and IC, and decades of bureaucratic webbing and careful subordination of US Law, to constrain and kill the US Constitution — were and are at stake.

    What we are really dealing with hear, is an effort to correct the path, to put America back into subordination to the new system of enforceable authoritative global government. One which will necessarily eliminate our sovereignty and individual liberty.

    The goal has not at all been to protect our US Constitution. The goal has been to carry out Coup d’etat, to salvage NEW GLOBAL GOVERNMENT!

    It is ONLY from this context, we can fully understanding the motivation and extents of real sedition and treason, which has actually been committed, at the highest levels of our IC, DOJ, Executive Branch holdovers, and by at least VA (D) Sen. Mark Warner, probably NC (R) Burr, and up to 3 more current US Senators – SHIELDED BY GLOBAL MASS MEDIA — ALL to frame an innocent, Constitutionally elected President for crimes he did not commit, in order to eliminate him, and to install who they want —

    To knowingly NOT act to defend our Constitution, justice, *recourse for US Law, and election process, **IS TO IMMEDIATELY KILL THE CONSTITUTION AND LIBERTY, AND TO IMMEDIATELY SUBORDINATE AND SUBJUGATE THE ENTIRE POPULATION to the will of our new rulers and dictatorship!

    PERIOD !

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  36. Donzo says:

    So was Bill Barr prior to accepting the nomination truly unaware of the facts and the fix he would be in as the future AG or was his purpose to be the deep state fixer from the get-go? I don’t believe Barr was naive to what the small group was up to when most of the facts were already public knowledge as the subject of many best selling books. That leaves only two possibilities as far as I can figure: Either this consummate attorney with years of experience at the highest levels at the DOJ is a fool or he’s there to prevent exposure.

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  37. Bogeyfree says:

    Now that Sundance is showing many that the mission seems to have been ignore, deny and protect, then will we most likely see the spring/summer report summary confirming out of all of these incredible “incidents” there were no crimes, thus no indictments but a need for policy and training enhancements.

    Thus the media has a huge narrative leading into Nov and the DOJ can close the book saying they look and found nothing.

    So my question is what does PT do knowing this is their path and direction?

    1) Does PT sit tight and wait for post Nov and with a new AG try to over come the DOJ report from Spring Summer and reopen everything?

    2) Does PT try to head off this Spring/Summer report by declassifying everything and show it all to Americans and hopefully embarrassing Barr and Durham?

    3) Does PT appoint a Justice Czar (Sidney) to shadow Barr and Durham while also having full declass authority to read and review all documents, texts, emails and phone calls and share with PT.

    4) Fire Barr and elevate Rosen as the temporary/acting AG

    IMO #4 is problematic as it carries a huge narrative negative spin by the media.

    I personally like #3 and let the Czar uncover the truth by having declass authority and uncovering if there is any plan to ignore and bury everything because it is to big to expose.

    And if this is uncovered, then PT would have the necessary ammunition to fire Barr immediately and share the Why with all Americans plus this approach would end their Spring/Summer coming narrative of no there there.

    American would know and see the truth BEFORE Nov

    And IMO the first thing PT should order is a total new investigation into the Carter Page FISA Leak.

    So I’d like to encourage Sundance to do a thread called……..

    If ignore, deny and protect was the plan, what comes next and how does PT put them in Checkmate?

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    • Donzo says:

      If Barr doesn’t come through and the media is allowed to feed on “Trump’s debunked conspiracy theory”, then Trump’s sure thing in November isn’t so sure. The coup is for keeps in more ways than one.

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    • gda53 says:

      What is this ‘Spring/Summer report’ you speak of?

      If they’ve got you talking about a “report” now then all is lost! /s

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    • sabreman30 says:

      Wouldn’t number 3 cause Barr to resign? That would cause a major uproar.

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    • Ronald Wise says:

      If ever there was to be a CZAR appointed, we have to make sure their name is NOT listed in the ‘PLUM BOOK” otherwise they are a member of the ‘SENIOR EXECUTIVE SERVICE’ which is a Deep State holdover army from previous administrations meant to slow, stall and subvert any actions that would expose the machinations of the Deep State itself. You cannot expect criminals to serve justice on themselves.

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    • guest4ever says:

      “4) Fire Barr and elevate Rosen as the temporary/acting AG”

      I’d rather have Sidney Powell as the temporary/acting AG, thank you.

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  38. Lawrence L says:

    Will nobody rid us of these troublesome priests (traitors)? They have been playing this game for too many years now. I hate to break it to you, but we’re past the point where ballot results will stop them.

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  39. gda53 says:

    For a Deep State guy there to prevent exposure, Barr sure seems befuddled about how to go about his Deep State duties.

    Plus, he seems to have made a LOT of enemies who you’d think would just shut up let him get on with the coverup – from Lawfare, to 1,100 earnest ex-DOJ officials, to the MSM, to the Dem Senators & House Members, to the loony left (but I repeat myself).

    Is this all theatre, designed to confuse us? I highly doubt it – too far-fetched. Plus it would be the height of stupidity to rile up half the country, considering a considerable % of those same folk were blissfully unaware of the coup before Bill Barr opened his big mouth.

    Barr doesn’t strike me as a fool. So that can be eliminated.

    Still waiting for an explanation and/or reconciliation of Bill Barr’s words and actions that makes sense. Maybe Sundance has posted one, and I would truly be obliged if someone could point me there.

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    • Donzo says:

      Patriots here know where they stand and have a clear idea of what’s right and what’s wrong. The creatures who inhabit the swamp do not see the world as we do. For them it’s a world of opportunities and conveniences.

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  40. Elle says:

    Heh, heh…..

    “The Washington Post and New York Times happily reported that more than 1,100 former DOJ DC swamp creatures signed a letter calling for Attorney General Bill Barr’s resignation” ………

    “The letter acknowledges there is little chance the signatories’ criticism will lead to Barr’s departure, adding, “because we have little expectation he will do so, it falls to the Department’s career officials to…..”

    ” …. to resign in protest and to withdraw from cases that involve “misconduct.”…….”

    “The letter called on DOJ officials to follow the “heroic” example of the four Mueller prosecutors who resigned from Roger Stone’s case”…

    What’s not to like about this plan? Bwahhahahaaa

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/02/more-1100-ex-doj-officials-demand-barr-resign-call-for-current-doj-officials-to-rise-up-report-abuses-withdraw-from-cases-that-involve-misconduct/

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  41. Bluejay says:

    The wild card is Trump and nobody can play that card except Trump and he will. If the DOJ collapses it should rather than continue the rot. Trump will point out the whole time that an attempted coup and treason was narrowly stopped.

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  42. walt39 says:

    If DOJ is too corrupt to survive honest investigation of what it was trying to do for the last few years what’s the reason we WANT it to survive? Why not just let it burn down and build anew from the rubble?

    If such a corrupt institution survives what’s our future? Will we never again have either a corrupt president like Ofraud or a Republican like Trump as President?

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  43. Blase Bauer says:

    What a total cope out. That’s like saying the Banks are too big to fail. b.s. It needs to be taken down or else it will continue. To say otherwise your just a pathetic part of the problem.

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  44. paper doll says:

    The problem is everyone in D.C. sees President Trump as a temporary condition….and feel they only need to run out the clock , remove him and it’s back to business as usual. Sigh

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  45. Ralph says:

    I am old and see nothing like this in the past but I fully know that there can be no America if the corruption and people in these corrupt government institutions are not prosecuted by a real impartial method and convicted and PUNISHED!!! Let the cards fall and if it destroys those institutions then that will be the only way we the people can rebuild and America will survive.

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  46. Jerry Hodge, LIKE!
    Anyone reading books from earlier times like None Dare Call It Treason, publications like The Spotlight and members of patriot groups like the John Birch Society have been seeing a lot of what was going to take place in the US government for decades. We are not worried about govt agencies being ‘blown up’, so to speak, by investigations & prosecutions. And perps going to prison! We have been hoping for just that.

    When KAL 007 was shot down & patriot Larry McDonald was taken out, we saw that tragedy for what it was. A powerful international cabal that would stop at nothing to implement their one world government. Today it’s called it the deep state. All Larry did was call for the investigation of the ‘Federal’ Reserve.
    We got the usual title of conspiracy nut job then.

    The link I leave is a small insight– SamFox

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  47. libertydemandsmemory says:

    We shall stop depending on and waiting for our abusers to save us.

    Thief State predators destroy.

    Attorney General William P. Barr confesses his continuing allegiance to protecting and defending Criminal Institutions of America during a February 14, 2020, gaslighting, word-salad interview with ABC with twisted, illogical justifications for ignoring our Constitution of the United States.

    bondobarr protected and defended Criminal Institutions of America during Iran-Contra, too.

    One summary of bondobarr’s involvement in Iran-Contra states:

    “Barr was a key player in the Iran-Contra operation, if not the most important member of the apparatus, simultaneously managing the operation while also “fixing” the legal end, ensuring that all of the operatives could do their jobs without fear of exposure or arrest.”

    bondobarr is currently protecting coup d’etaters of the Thief State from indictments, prosecution, and punishment.

    In spite of bondobarr’s ongoing hopium push that something big is about to happen, in reality, inspire of abundant evidence of crimes, he has failed, continuously, for 369 days to indict even one traitor, seditionist, insurrectionist, obstructor of justice, or anyone who has failed to report treason.

    Instead of doing his job and revealing Truth, bondobarr protects his co-conspirators in organized crime, stonewalls de-classification and hides the crimes of coup d’etaters under darkness of redactions.

    Barr, “…As I, you know, said during my confirmation, I came in to serve as Attorney General. I am RESPONSIBLE for everything that happens in the department, but the thing I have most responsibility for are the issues that are brought to me for decision.”

    bondobarr is responsible for all the criminal activities in the Department of Injustice an FIB.

    His decision?

    bondobarr decided to protect and defend the Criminal Institutions of America, betraying his oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

    Barr, “…you know, I think attacking- for people to attack people here in the department or in the FBI in general terms is unfair and, you know, I think I came back into government because I love the department and I believe strongly in it as an INSTITUTION and I think we have great people here…”

    Barr betrays U.S. citizens, again.

    5 U.S. Code § 3331. Oath of office
    U.S. Code

    An individual, except the President, elected or appointed to an office of honor or profit in the civil service or uniformed services, shall take the following oath: “I, William P. Barr, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES

    [ NOT the Criminal Institutions of America ]

    against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, WITHOUT ANY MENTAL RESERVATION OR PURPOSE OF EVASION; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.” This section does not affect other oaths required by law.

    (Pub. L. 89–554, Sept. 6, 1966, 80 Stat. 424.)

    bondobarr, fixer for the Thief State of useless cheaters.

    betrayer bondobarr and other Thief State protectors will be the first to swing from Pennsylvania Avenue gallows.

    5:51am

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  48. libertydemandsmemory says:

    ONE crime = theft

    the useless cheaters of Thief State have stolen trillions of dollars of taxpayer money and trillions of dollars of wages and services and money spent on crappy goods and chemical warfare against us.

    That money belongs to US citizens.

    WTP demand reparations.

    What is the purpose of having money if it is stolen?

    predators are useless cheaters.

    —–

    My Father’s Mother and Father did not have a lot of money or things.

    They were blessed with integrity, gratitude, compassion, caring, empathy, willingness to work, honesty, kind hearts, and love.

    Over the years, helped an untold number of people in their small town and strangers.

    During depression times – while the Thief State was making major money grabs –
    my Grandparents would invite hobos into their home to share food and the spiritual gift of knowing someone cares.

    No government programs or reimbursement.

    It was the right thing to do, at that time.

    The right thing to do, now, is to recover our money and lost wages from the organized criminals and protectors of the Thief State.

    Reparations for everything stolen from us.

    predators of the Thief State are the primary cause of poverty, dis-ease, insecurity, dis-peace, maladies, starvation, drug addictions, alcohol addictions, discouragement, spiritual despair, foreclosures, bankruptcies, broken dreams, lack of integrity, abandonment of values, and homelessness.

    useless cheaters of the Thief State indulge in sin to cause human suffering then pack their pockets with blood money.

    predators’ solution to addiction and homelessness is to destroy lives and destroy temporary homes.

    the pre-meditation and mal-intent if useless cheaters are glaringly obvious.

    Thief State future claims of plausible deniability will be – implausible.

    What have the arrogant useless cheaters stolen from you and your family?

    6:46am

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  49. elmer says:

    I’m sorry – I’m not buying this “institutions too big – must be protected” thing.

    Why would anyone need to protect institutions that have been corrupted at the top?

    Why would the top corruptioneers need to go free?

    The way to protect the institutions is to expose the corruption and get rid of the corruptioneers.

    The other way simply propagates criminal activity, free of consequences, on the part of the government.

    Someone please lay out an explanation that makes sense.

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  50. rickb928 says:

    I can understand this argument. Its pretty much the same one I’ve been making. privately and in commentary, for two years.

    So, you know, when a coup like this is exposed in less institutional nations, the perps end up looking at the muzzle end of guns. We’re not ready for that, are we?

    Because, as often as not, when the ‘soft’ coup, the corruption and conspiracy and misuse of government one, fails, you’re left with the plotters not yet ready to give up. If we pursue ‘justice’, and burn it all down, do we provoke them to an actual ‘hard’ coup, with soldiers marching into the Oval Office and removing our lawful President, with members of Congress waving papers, and FBI agents holding handcuffs at the ready, and indeed, would it not turn into the Secret Service facing off against FBI agents in the White House?

    DO we think that’s fanciful, or do we believe the Left will just back down and wait for another chance to do this by manipulation of the institutions we need to be sound, the ones that we cannot, it seems, permit to be corrected? Can we permit these institutions to persist as they are? Can we survive this at all without radical reforms, and can those reforms be made peaceably?

    Because if this all just ‘goes away’, I expect the Left to come back and ‘do it right’. What would that look like? Courtrooms, the House floor, and deliberations, or would it be more intense?

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