BIG – Report: U.S. Attorney Durham "Administrative Review" is now "A Criminal Investigation"…

This would appear to be one of the few positive indicators that AG Bill Barr and U.S. Attorney John Durham are indeed doing more than bondo.  The New York Times is reporting the Durham “review” has now officially moved into a full “criminal investigation”.  [All emphasis mine]

WASHINGTON — For more than two years, President Trump has repeatedly attacked the Russia investigation, portraying it as a hoax and illegal even months after the special counsel closed it. Now, Mr. Trump’s own Justice Department has opened a criminal investigation into how it all began.

Justice Department officials have shifted an administrative review of the Russia investigation closely overseen by Attorney General William P. Barr to a criminal inquiry, according to two people familiar with the matter. The move gives the prosecutor running it, John H. Durham, the power to subpoena for witness testimony and documents, to impanel a grand jury and to file criminal charges.

My initial question was/is: does this mean the *interviews* with John Brennan and James Clapper were predicated on a shift into a criminal investigation?  If yes, is that reality the baseline for the New York Times changing the reporting?

[…]  The move also creates an unusual situation in which the Justice Department is conducting a criminal investigation into itself.

Mr. Barr’s reliance on Mr. Durham, a widely respected and veteran prosecutor who has investigated C.I.A. torture and broken up Mafia rings, could help insulate the attorney general from accusations that he is doing the president’s bidding and putting politics above justice.

It was not clear what potential crime Mr. Durham is investigating, nor when the criminal investigation was prompted. A Justice Department spokeswoman declined to comment.

[…] Federal investigators need only a “reasonable indication” that a crime has been committed to open an investigation, a much lower standard than the probable cause required to obtain search warrants. However, “there must be an objective, factual basis for initiating the investigation; a mere hunch is insufficient,” according to Justice Department guidelines.

When Mr. Barr appointed Mr. Durham, the United States attorney in Connecticut, to lead the review, he had only the power to voluntarily question people and examine government files.

[…] Mr. Barr began the administrative review of the Russia investigation in May, saying that he had conversations with intelligence and law enforcement officials that led him to believe that the F.B.I. acted improperly, if not unlawfully.

The F.B.I. opened the investigation in late July 2016, code-named Crossfire Hurricane, after receiving information from the Australian government that a Trump campaign adviser had been approached with an offer of stolen emails that could damage Hillary Clinton’s campaign.

F.B.I. agents discovered the offer shortly after stolen Democratic emails were released, and the events, along with ties between other Trump advisers and Russia, set off fears that the Trump campaign was conspiring with Russia’s interference.

FBI agents “discovered the offer“?  Interesting use of words within the article by an outlet who sells the position of the DOJ and FBI.  The “offer” was from Joseph Mifsud, who we know is not a Russian intelligence operative, but rather now appears to be a western intelligence operative under the guiding control of the CIA.   The “discovery” part was the report of that activity by Australian diplomat Alexander Downer.
So what the New York Times is outlining here, is the CIA ran an operation using Mifsud to place information into Papadopoulos, a classic set-up, and the FBI is now claiming they had no idea the CIA was the originating intelligence apparatus for that information. Very interesting…. aligns with the FBI defensive framework from last week.

[…] The F.B.I. did not use information from the C.I.A. in opening the Russia investigation, former American officials said. But agents’ views on Russia’s election interference operation crystallized by mid-August, after the C.I.A. director at the time, John O. Brennan, shared intelligence with Mr. Comey about it.

Well the claim: “The F.B.I. did not use information from the C.I.A. in opening the Russia investigation” is demonstrably false.  The CIA produced an “electronic communication” (EC) to the FBI which officially launched the premise of operation “crossfire hurricane’.  That EC has never been released, though it has been seen by congressional investigators.  So whoever this “former American official” is, is lying.

[…]  The C.I.A. did contribute heavily to the intelligence community’s assessment in early 2017 that Russia interfered in the 2016 election and tried to tip it in Mr. Trump’s favor, and law enforcement officials later used those findings to bolster their application for a wiretap on a Trump campaign adviser, Carter Page.

As we have researched and outlined the CIA was the driving force behind the January 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment (ICA) and Peter Strzok was one of the primary authors.   Additionally, how could the January 2017 ICA be used to bolster the application for the Carter Page FISA, when the FISA warrant was granted on October 21st, 2016?  Perhaps the New York Times is intentionally trying to conflate the ‘second renewal”?

Mr. Barr is closely managing the Durham investigation, even traveling to Italy to seek help from officials there to run down an unfounded conspiracy that is at the heart of conservatives’ attacks on the Russia investigation — that the Italian government helped set up the Trump campaign adviser who was told in 2016 that the Russians had damaging information that could hurt Clinton’s campaign.

But Italy’s intelligence services told Mr. Barr that they played no such role in the events leading to the Russia investigation, Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte of Italy said in a news conference on Wednesday. Mr. Barr has also contacted government officials in Britain and Australia about their roles in the early stages of the Russia investigation.

So the Italian intelligence apparatus played no “official” role; which again would bolster the likelihood the CIA was the driving entity behind Joseph Mifsud.

[…]  Mr. Durham has also asked whether C.I.A. officials might have somehow tricked the F.B.I. into opening the Russia investigation.

Mr. Durham has indicated he wants to interview former officials who ran the C.I.A. in 2016 but has yet to question either Mr. Brennan or James R. Clapper Jr., the former director of national intelligence.

The “tricked” by the CIA angle is a position seemingly outlined in many of the media defense articles on behalf of the FBI.

[…] Some C.I.A. officials have retained criminal lawyers in anticipation of being interviewed. It was not clear whether Mr. Durham was scrutinizing other former top intelligence officials. Adm. Michael S. Rogers, the former director of the National Security Agency, declined to say whether he had spoken with Mr. Durham’s investigators.

Mr. Durham also has yet to question many of the former F.B.I. officials involved in opening the Russia investigation.

I’d put that response from Admiral Mike Rogers in the affirmative side of the ledger; and again it’s good news the “small group” has yet to be interviewed.

[…] As Mr. Durham’s investigation moves forward, the Justice Department inspector general is wrapping up his own inquiry into aspects of the F.B.I.’s conduct in the early days of the Russia investigation. Among other things, the inspector general, Michael E. Horowitz, is scrutinizing the application for a warrant to wiretap Mr. Page.

Mr. Barr has not said whether Mr. Durham’s investigation grew out of the inspector general’s findings or something that prosecutors unearthed while doing interviews or reviewing documents. But the inspector general’s findings, which are expected to be made public in coming weeks, could contribute to the public’s understanding of why Mr. Durham might want to investigate national security officials’ activities in 2016.

Though the inspector general’s report deals with sensitive information, Mr. Horowitz anticipates that little of it will be blacked out when he releases the document publicly, he wrote in a letter sent to lawmakers on Thursday and obtained by The New York Times.  (read full article)

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694 Responses to BIG – Report: U.S. Attorney Durham "Administrative Review" is now "A Criminal Investigation"…

  1. littleanniefannie says:

    Zippo please

    • Grassleysgirl/Breitbartista says:

      Is it possible that this has been an “investigation” as opposed to an “inquiry” since it’s inception? Is the public entitled to be apprised of this info ?
      We certainly aren’t entitled to view any of Schiffs “Impeachment Inquiry scif ‘depositions.
      And another thing…Did a DOJ spokesman come out to announce this or is this leak to the NYTs, the official announcement ?

    • KJinCton says:

      What’s the difference between a Hippo and a Zippo?
      One is very heavy….the other is a little lighter.
      Just thought I would start this off with a smile on everyone’s face because this update from Sundance definitely put a smile on mine!

    • VoteAllIncumbantsOut says:

      The judge order Jeff younger to take down his site so those not familiar read it and down load docs quickly before it is dissolved.

    • Pa Hermit says:

      Brings new meaning to an Obama quote: “Not a “smidgen” of corruption.

  2. farrier105 says:

    Sounds like Barr and Durham were investigators, subject to being called to testify and be cross examined at trial. There shall be demands for their recusal from any criminal action against any indicted suspects. There is a good chance that recusals will be announced without any demands being made.
    I warned you all about this.

    • Dekester says:

      Naw..wishful thinking on your part.
      God bless PDJT

      • farrier105 says:

        No, that is not wishful thinking on my part, but an observation based upon actual EXPERIENCE in the field.

        • margarite1 says:

          Are you saying what they’re saying about Schiff – that he’s a fact witness?
          I don’t understand why a prosecutor can’t gather evidence. Obviously I’m not a lawyer but I’ve had to deal with more that I would have liked.

    • Perot Conservative says:

      Please explain. I never expected Barr in court.
      I’m sure Durham is well aware of all of this.
      Hence heavy hitter prosecuting attorney Nora R. Dannehy.

      • farrier105 says:

        If Barr and/or Durham PERSONALLY obtained any evidence, whether physical evidence or testimonial evidence, they are INVESTIGATORS. Investigators are FACT WITNESSES. Fact witnesses cannot run investigations, at least not for Republican Administrations.
        Now, if reporters have their descriptions of Barr and Durham gathering this evidence WRONG, and they maintained distance from actual evidence gathering, they do not have to recuse.
        However, if the descriptions of Barr and/or Durham contacting Italian, British, and Australian government officals, and obtaining any documentary and/or testimonial evidence from them, then they are INVESTIGATORS, and therefore, FACT WITNESSES.
        We will find that out shortly. You’ll hear the howls from the Democrats in no time.

        • Prosecutors obtain evidence all the time without recusal or self-testifying. There’s the ‘independent source’ rule.

        • coolmamie says:

          Ludicrous. Those from whom they received the evidence would testify directly.

        • fred5678 says:

          No experience in LE, but hard to believe the Barr/Durham party didn’t bring a half-dozen actual investigators/interviewers to do the actual interviewing while Barr/Durham spoke to their opposites in Italian government.

          • margarite1 says:

            I have to believe that Barr/Durham know the rules and have acted accordingly.
            The idiot Schiff is probably trying to protect himself from being exposed for corruption so he’s willing to risk defying rules…nothing new for that bunch.

        • Shirley U. Geste says:

          I don’t understand. Investigators gather evidence. That’s what “investigation” means. Sure, they become fact witnesses if it comes to a trial. That’s how evicdence is presented.
          What has recusal to do with it? Barr and Durham aren’t going to be running any trials.

        • 1riot1ranger says:

          Is this Farrier105 on Prosecutions? State your statute or case citations.

        • Grassleysgirl/Breitbartista says:

          Gowdy’s recent ‘change of status? He might be the man for the job..

        • Newhere says:

          Farrier105 you are making a very subtle point here that others appear to be missing.
          Assuming I get it, let me try to make it more obvious: think about all the criminal TV dramas; why do cops take the stand and TESTIFY about evidence (i.e., answer questions about gathering it, chain of custody, etc.)? It’s because they’re FACT WITNESSES. This is Farrier’s point. In our criminal system, the person who actually obtains the evidence — the investigator — becomes a witness as to that evidence. They aren’t a witness because they have any involvement in the wrongdoing; they are a witness because they have relevant factual testimony about the evidence.
          Part of the confusion here may be what happened with acting AG Rosenstein, where he was conflicted and technically should have recused in the Mueller investigation because he played in part in Comey’s firing. Critics pointed out he was a potential witness (or even a subject) in potential obstruction of justice. In that case, Rosenstein was implicated in the events subject to investigation. He was like a guy who wittingly or unwittingly drove a get-away car; he actually was a player in the investigated activity itself.
          What Farrier’s talking about here is different, but the upshot is the same: a potential need to recuse. Go back to the TV dramas, e.g. Law & Order:
          “In the criminal justice system, the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups: the police who investigate crime and the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders.”
          The cops don’t prosecute. They investigate (gather evidence) and testify. Meaning if you’re investigating (gathering evidence) you are subject to being called about that evidence, ie, FACT WITNESS.
          That is Farrier’s point.
          I hope the reporting is wrong. Hopefully, AG Barr and prosecutor Durham traveled for discussions with high-level officials to facilitate the gathering of evidence; hopefully agents did the actual gathering. This could easily be misreported. It’s highly unlikely they’d make an unforced error, stakes being what they are, so I guess it’s a matter of trust.

          • farrier105 says:

            I’m under moderation with everything I go to post now. Thanks for your explanation as it is exactly what I was trying to say.
            I’m done doing anything else in here but reading. No more need for moderation.

    • Perot Conservative says:

      Nora R. Dannehy

    • margarite1 says:

      Boy..according to you we shouldn’t even bother…we’re all going to die anyway.

      • farrier105 says:

        When did I write anything like we are all going to die? Please address what I wrote. Show me where it is wrong. This is a legal matter that should have no room for emotionalism.

    • smartyjones1 says:

      I see kindergarten inviting you back. You may wish to be quiet about your less than stellar legal analysis.
      AG Barr and US Attorney John Durham are working to look into the law and upholding it.
      They will not be witnesses anywhere except in make-believe DNC Media comment sections.

      • farrier105 says:

        If they gathered evidence as investigators, they could be. Sarah Carter just described some of their activities as reflecting evidence gathering. Potentially, they are witnesses IF THIS REPORTING IS ACCURATE. That is the law, like it or not.

        • Blinduser says:


          • farrier105 says:

            What is this Rolcon business? What kind of acronym is that?

            • JIM COMEY IS A WEASEL_DOUG says:

              ROLCON is a acronym used by Shareblue/Muddled Madders to their minions who play the role of conservatives on I-net forums. An internal email was revealed from Muddled Madders harkening the ROLCONS to do their thing on a new media story.
              My own suspicion is that many of the Eyesores and “nothing is ever gonna happen” crowd are ROLCONS. JMHO

          • cboldt says:

            Yep. The line between prosecutor and investigator is personnal and very fact specific. Also, the general rule can be and is pierced.
            Lots of legal generalists giving technically accurate generalities, and all of it misleading and incomplete. For all we know, Durham has investigators at his beck and call, and Durham is not personally an investigator.

        • Jim in TN says:

          Prosecutors are often involved in gathering evidence.
          And Barr won’t be prosecuting anything. That is what U.S. Attorneys are for.

        • NYMinuteman says:

          Federal prosecutors almost always gather evidence – interviewing witnesses is gathering evidence. I believe you are mistaken.
          Now, if they went into the field and took fingerprints or searched a house, that might be different. But interviewing material witnesses and gathering information does not make them material witnesses themselves.

        • 1riot1ranger says:

          What law are you talking about? Farrier’s law? Be specific, because we have enough hot air already

    • coolmamie says:

      What am I missing? At what trial would Barr and Durham be called to testify? Why on earth would either of them recuse?

      • farrier105 says:

        Anyone indicted as a result of any of the evidence they PERSONALLY GATHERED in the Review. If they were directly involved in obtaining evidence against anyone who is indicted, there will be calls for them to recuse.

        • coolmamie says:

          If Loretta didn’t recuse after the tarmac meeting, and Schiff didn’t recuse after lying about the “whistleblower,” then nobody HAS to recuse. Ever.

          • farrier105 says:

            I know you would like to believe that, but if Durham, for example, interviewed someone who alleged a suspect committed a violation. Durham would have to be available for cross-examination at trial. It isn’t that complicated. Someone else would have to proceed with the criminal investigation and prosecution, that’s all. No one will get off because of it.

        • Perot Conservative says:

          Hence, tiger Nora R. Dannehy

          • farrier105 says:

            That is what would happen. Maybe Nora would run the prosecution, that’s all. No one WALKS because of this. Someone other than Durham will have to present the case at trial, that’s all.

          • farrier105 says:

            Who are you?
            A few days ago I warned about this problem on another thread since the media keeps talking about Durham and Barr interviewing witnesses and gathering evidence that could be used in a prosecution. This in no way implies that there can be no prosecution of any violations found in the REVIEW work. It just means Durham and Barr can’t prosecute it if they gathered evidence for trial, that’s all. They do have more than one prosecutor to try cases.

        • CarolinaKat says:

          Then all prosecutors and investigators would need to recuse from any case they work on. That’s not the law.

          • farrier105 says:

            Investigators do not recuse. They appear as witnesses if called to explain the investigative workproduct they produced, whether physical evidence, testimonial evidence, etc.
            Prosecutors running the case cannot act as investigators since they would be subject to the same need to testify to efficacy of the evidence they produced. Prosecutors cannot be investigators since they would be called to testify to the work they did in producing the evidence.
            After a defense attorney questions the prosecutor for his work as an investigator, who is going to cross-examine the prosecutor?

        • 1riot1ranger says:

          Why don’t you give us an example

      • tav144 says:

        Chain of custody. Yes.
        He makes a valid point.
        I have to believe Barr has the foresight to have taken this into account.
        Perhaps Special Counsel or Special Assistant US Attorney will handle it.

    • ?Gunny66 says:

      Who are you?
      Exactly when did you “warn” us?
      Give me a break…..

    • Perot Conservative says:

      Please explain. I never expected Barr in a court room.
      Hence, tiger Nora R. Dannehy.

      • farrier105 says:

        Explain, Please.

        • JC says:

          Hi, farrier105. “Rolcon” is the term for “role-playing conservative” as in marching orders to leftist trolls to impersonate conservatives.
          I’ve seen and appreciated your posts before, and I do not believe you are trolling here. I am not an attorney so cannot speak to your assertions. Perhaps other attorneys here at the Treehouse can respond to your posts so we can learn more about the legalities of all of this.
          Thank you for posting.

        • Louisiana Tea Rose says:

          They are calling u a troll

    • California Joe says:

      It doesn’t work that way! When any federal prosecutor meets with or interviews any potential witnesses or actual witnesses they have a federal agent present so they aren’t witnesses and can’t be called to testify. I know because I’ve been in a hundred or more of those witness interviews along with federal prosecutors and they were the ones actually prosecuting the case at trial. In every trial the federal prosecutors “pre” the witnesses they are going to use. It’s standard practice.

      • farrier105 says:

        Are you talking about after the indictment is executed and the trial is about to begin, or when the actual field investigation is being done that produces PROBABLE CAUSE?

      • farrier105 says:

        I never had a USA or AUSA along on any field interview in the probable cause phase of any investigation. I can’t recall anyone else ever experiencing that. Fact witnesses are fact witnesses. They can be called to testify. You conduct an interview. You ask questions, you’re an investigator. Investigators are fact witnesses. This is Schiff’s problem with the Whistleblower and why he has to deny having prior contact with the WB. He gets removed from running the hearings.

    • Freepetta says:

      Nice to see such a positive outlook NOT!!
      How about being thankful that someone is finally doing something?
      Btw Barr and Durham won’t be called to testify!! They are prosecutors who are investigating GRAVE corruption, obstruction of justice, perjury, sedition and traitorous acts against the people of the US.
      Get a grip please.

      • farrier105 says:

        There’s nothing negative about it. It only controls who can/cannot prosecute the case. Fact witnesses do not prosecute the case. It doesn’t mean nothing is going to be done.
        Look, this is what is being objected to about how Schiff handled the fake Whistleblower. If Schiff handled that WB in any way, he is in a position of having to RECUSE HIMSELF from handling the impeachment hearings in his committee. That has been discussed in here at length. This would be the same situation if Durham gathered evidence of any kind, documents, testimony, etc., he would be in the same position as Schiff. That’s just a fact. I can’t help it if you don’t want to think about it. Someone else would have to handle the criminal trial, which shouldn’t be a real problem.

        • Chip Doctor says:

          Ok. You might have a legal point (I don’t know), but the way you wrote your original post was chicken little “they have to recuse, they have to recuse. Sessions recuse recuse panic panic”.
          Just explain that this means that Nora might be the lead prosecutor. In your later posts you assert that it does not mean that nothing will be done.
          There is enough outrage here….no need to create more where not needed. Chill out. ?

        • Joebkonobi says:

          Does not seem to have stopped Schiff. . . Poor example.

        • mtk says:

          Ok I’ll bite, AG Barr and Mr Durham’s investigative fact witiness is Rudy.
          There I put a nice Bow on it.
          With all that is going on with Inquiry, notice the abject silence on a story line narrative that should be writting itself in the MSM to futher the Impeachment Putsch.
          Optically it appears Rudy is lined up with corrupt dealings with Ukraine, with two plus already arrested. Rudy going off on National TV spouting off on this and that, waving papers in peoples faces and etc.
          Yet, no major MSM headlines making OpEd connections to favor Rep. Schiff ‘star chamber’.
          IMHO… The MSM is running from it, the reason may simply be Rudy delivered the damning goods, and MSM knows it.
          Easiest way to enter into witiness protection, cop to a crime, and then turn States evidence.

      • Newhere says:

        Look this is a basic, valid point. It’s simple Law & Order stuff — normally the police investigate then take the stand and testify; prosecutors prosecute.
        That’s all Farrier’s saying here. Do we know exactly how it’s being run? NO. And Farrier’s not saying we do; he or she is just pointing out the implication of what’s being reported, ie that Durham and Barr are investigating, which if true is a typical police/agent function and puts them in a position to testify about the evidence gathered, and thus not to prosecute.
        We’ll find out. Maybe someone else we’ll prosecute.
        Troll accusations are really unhelpful, and frankly I’d rather suffer actual trolls than have commenters constantly calling each other out. (And I don’t mean just this comment specifically, but several in this thread)

    • Don’t you think they know how to handle a criminal investigation, especially Durham? Also, I believe it says they used FBI/DOJ investigators. So, I would not worry about whether they are investigators….they aren’t stupid.

    • L4grasshopper says:

      Utter tripe.

      • Rhoda R says:

        Not tripe. But I find it difficult to believe that neither Barr nor Durham considered this. We’re knee jerking our response because the left wants Barr and Durham out of the picture like they got Sessions out of the picture, but I don’t think this is the kind of recusal that Farrier is talking about.

    • WRB says:

      This sounds goofy.

    • Linda K. says:

      We’ll get Sidney Powell to help out. How would that be?

    • JL says:

      Was Robert Meuller an investigator? Was his recusal necessary?
      The Attorney General is not a prosecutor. If Rod Rosenstein and Mueller weren’t required to recuse, then Barr isn’t either.
      And specifically, if Special Prosecutor Robert Mueller, didn’t have to recuse after conducting the special counsel *investigation*, then Barr doesn’t need to either.

    • Alex Pazzo says:

      The NY AG already is demanding Barr’s recusal

  3. surakvulcan says:

    As you ponder your reactions to this news, remember these words: “statute of limitations”.

    • littleanniefannie says:

      I’m not sure sedition has a statute of limitations. Ristvan has the answers to that question.

    • Perot Conservative says:

      Previous legal beagles have stated a cause of action for Conspiracy stretches out the SOL to the date of the last act of a member of the group.

    • MitchSteel says:

      How long are we talking?

    • Darrell Michael Richardson says:

      There is NO statute of limitations on treason. Full stop.

      • gnome says:

        Treason is defined in the Constitution. This whole thing doesn’t come anywhere near meeting that description.
        Why do you people constantly ignore everone who tells you that? Why don’t you ever look up the Constitution for yourselves if you don’t believe it? It isn’t that hard to do and it would raise the level of discussion exponentially.
        Full stop!

        • WSB says:

          So, I have never been able to square this section:
          Section 3.
          Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
          This section seems to say that treason is levying war (small w) against the United States of America. If another country takes part in attempting to remove a sitting US President, that may not be declaring war… but is that levying war? And would any US citizens be aiding and comforting enemies by paying money to them for said seditious acts of taking down a sitting government? And will we not have more than one witness to this coordinated attempt to remove a sitting President?
          I would love to understand this a bit better.

          • hokkoda says:

            The US Code defines Treason very narrowly.
            If you scroll through the subsequent sections, you’ll find “Seditious conspiracy”…sedition… is much closer to what we see with the attempted coup. I don’t expect Barr/Durham to try and take this route. They’re going to go after things that are much easier to prove like conspiracy to defraud, falsifying official documents, lying to the court, conspiracy against rights (4th Amendment violations), etc. That stuff has real teeth and stays out of the politics by a wide margin because it doesn’t matter what their politics were…you cannot lie on a warrant application sworn out to a Federal judge (or any other judge for that matter). You cannot spy on US citizens without a legal warrant. They’re going to go after stuff that is a-political. If they go after anyone for seditious conspiracy it’s because they dig up communications records showing that Brennan, Comey, Clapper, Strzok conspired to overturn the results of the 2016 election. Lacking that, they’ll stick to the laws that have the sharpest teeth.

            • WSB says:

              Wel, glad to hear that. Does US Code supercede the original Constitution?

              • hokkoda says:

                The US Code represents the laws Congress passes which are necessary and proper for executing the duties vested by the Constitution in the government of the United States. For example, treason is defined in the Constitution, but Congress passes laws necessary and proper to define the relevant punishment for treason. The USC narrowly defines treason as an act of war just like the Constitution does. But the USC expands on this to cover other seditious activities not specified by the Constitution as treason, but which are threats to the civil order. e.g. Misprison of treason (being aware of treason but not reporting it), seditious conspiracy, rebellion, etc.

                • WSB says:

                  So, what is an act of war? Asymmetrical?
                  And a question of precedent could be presented to SCOTUS. And they are just an opinion…right? The weakest branch of Government?

                  • hokkoda says:

                    I would encourage you to research cases where the government has tried people for treason. Lots of resources out there, and it’ll help you see how the threads extend to wartime, rebellion, etc. There haven’t been any cases since the post WW2 period.

                    • WSB says:

                      Our Judicial system does not have a great track record in being reflective of our Constitution, so my questioning is an earnest one.
                      Many pieces of the Constitution have been run over…why not this one?

        • WSB says:

          PS…this does not even refer to ‘countries’ levying war…only enemies.

        • hokkoda says:

          Well, I think people co-mingle “seditious conspiracy” and “treason”. Treason is an act of war. Seditious conspiracy is plotting the overthrow of the government, inciting rebellion, etc. Would the AG pursue Seditious Conspiracy charges? I doubt it, mainly because you want something you can win at trial. Much easier to get people on falsifying warrants, illegal surveillance, conspiracy against rights, obstruction of justice, perjury, etc.
          Anyway, I use the term sedition.

    • Look up the words “ know or should have known” with regard to the tolling of the statute of limitations.

    • Joebkonobi says:

      I would imagine Barr & Durham are well aware of the SoL involved and have planned accordingly.
      Lots of corruptorats scurrying around tonight. Maybe even a lot nervous Nellies (pun intended).
      Prayers answered.

  4. Merkin Muffley says:

    I think Brennan walked into a room and saw 23 people looking at him, and realized this is serious.

  5. beaujest says:

    With all the talented and honorable people in America how did these crooked clowns end up in charge ?

    • chuckyschmucky says:

      Barack Obama.

    • jus wundrin says:

      We the people elected those who either appointed them, or turned a blind eye.

    • Globalism. Money. Evil.

    • The most corrupt rose to the top. It’s the deep state way of doing things.

    • hokkoda says:

      The Government Party SELECTS for the kinds of skills you abhor. People who have integrity are weeded out early in their careers. People with a certain “moral flexibility” make it further. Once they get to about GS-14, it’s a game of survival. If you can get away with rigging contracts, leaking grand jury testimony, skirting the law to get something done, etc. you survive and make it to the SES level (like Comey, Brennan, etc.).
      It’s not that our government is clean and somehow dirty people get through. It’s that our government is dirty and self-selects for dirty. That’s how we wound up with a government run by marginally intelligent kleptocrats who somehow always seem to get away with lawlessness.
      There are good people in government, don’t get me wrong, but they keep their heads down and stay out of the fray. You have to make a choice if you’re going to work for the government. You’re not going to change it. So, you can either learn to play the game, you can keep your head down and keep quiet, or you can leave.

    • JL says:

      I’m going to offer a different opinion.
      It’s the media’s fault. A democracy cannot survive without a media that primarily functions as a neutral critic of those in power.
      Andrew Breitbart famously said that politics is downstream from culture. He was absolutely correct.
      Without the media rooting out corruption from those that are corrupt, and instead doing the bidding of the corrupt and conspiring to frame the innocent, there is no mechanism to enforce the law. There is no political pressure to correct the cancer. It is, in fact, encouraged to spread,
      How many times was the Obama admin caught spying? Weaponizing government agencies against political enemies? The media is aware of all of these instances.
      They put them on page A20, and gave them seconds of coverage.
      It’s their fault.

  6. Perot Conservative says:

    A few days ago I asked if Barr was the REAL DEAL? Is Durham the REAL DEAL?
    I laid out 7-8 positive steps that lead to an answer of YES.
    One of our resident legal experts, Ristvan, agreed with my logic, he said their are more facts, but yes, he agreed they’re the REAL DEAL. Ristvan also predicted things would move fast.
    This is another step towards to BIG UGLY!!!
    Guess: he and his team probably already have subpoenas at hand.
    (P.S. Reports Ryan and Romney shopping a ‘President Pence’ Senate pitch.)

    • Little Berkeley Conservative says:

      Ryan and Delecto can get into the wiener mobile, ride down the pacific coast highway and off a steep cliff.
      Thelma and Louise part deux

    • Given this news, I’d say that Nancy has about 48 hours to get her Articles of Impeachment signed, dated and sent to the Senate for trial, where, given today’s Senate vote, they will be dismissed within an hour of their arrival.
      Still worth a try, though, Nancy!

    • Newhere says:

      My favorite word here is FAST.
      My hope is that news announcements lag actual events.
      Would make sense for that to be the case, when pursuing crimes of this magnitude, and dealing with targets that have such vast resources both to insulate themselves and run countermeasures. It’s not like targets are in the dark …. but you may try to keep them from knowing exactly when they’re getting that knock on the door.

      • JL says:

        In the Durham investigation, there is about a 2 week lag time.
        Look at when they collected Mifsud’s phones, and how long it took the media to put 2 and 2 together.

  7. DebbieSemms says:

    I will believe it when I see a high level arrest and not a moment before.

  8. littleanniefannie says:

    Let the cover-up and finger pointing begin! Obama warned about the circular firing squad. Wonder if he has a bullet proof vest??
    Wonder if Nazi Puh-lose-ee will be supportive of this squad too?

  9. lansdalechip says:

    Velly interesting.
    I’m willing to wager the Pucker Factor has gone dramatically upward in many parts of DC and it ain’t because of the World Series wagering. In fact, it looks like a lot of folks may soon be worrying about some bets they made in the past. :))

  10. Revenant says:

    Good news! We needed some.

  11. Brenda Purington says:

    Cautiously hopeful!?

    • Anita Keller says:

      Too many times we have been disappointed. Seems like the communist dems can do all the crimes to their heart’s desire and never do any time.

  12. xcontra says:

    This data is from NYT, so I read it as (a) potentially complete falsehood, and (b) servicing Weasel Boy Comey et al. I will wait for indictments!

    • Sugarhillhardrock says:

      Good point, Ex!

    • GB Bari says:

      By now we should all realize that *any* NYT article concerning President Trump or any of his allies or supporters is either complete fiction or factual fiction.
      Factual fiction is still a total fabrication but it has actual facts (such as actual quotes or parts of actual quotes) inserted at strategic places in the story where those facts are almost always taken out of original context and put into fictional context.
      Either way, the reader draws completely erroneous conclusions from reading any NYT article unless the reader is already aware of the REAL facts BEFORE they read
      But when alert people declare the article entirely fiction (which it almost always is), the authors will immediately point to one of two of the strategically included facts and declare the charge entirely baseless.

    • JL says:

      It’s not a complete falsehood.
      It’s the truth cloaked in a narrative constructed with lies.
      The NYTimes can be very useful, but you have to read it with a propaganda filter and a critical eye.

  13. Reserved55 says:

    Thread from Shem Horne with his commentary.

  14. barnabusduke says:

    Hot Damn!!! 🙂

  15. California Joe says:

    AG Barr and Durham would not have opened a criminal investigation if they intended to deep six everything! So, this is very good news.

  16. The Akh says:

    Apoplectic lefty heads sizzling all over right now. They think Barr is just creating a distraction from the “impeachment”. They also think this is a conspiracy plot to grab power and to frame our “intelligence” agencies for revenge.
    I worry about that level of delusion.

    • PInky1920 says:

      That is some serious delusion; like at least a tab or two of 1960’s style hallucinogenics; like Charles Manson level crazy.

    • Matthew LeBlanc says:

      This is good. The more they entrench the less they can retreat.

    • TarsTarkas says:

      Akh: I don’t think you’ve seen anything yet. The outright lying and fabrication is just starting. From now on every accusation will be considered true, every denial guilt, every refusal to deny guilt, absence of evidence will be construed a successful cover-up, every action taken will be justified as necessary to save all that was, all that is, and all that will ever be, in every universe.

    • Grassleysgirl/Breitbartista says:

      Projection!! That is exactly what the “Impeachment Inquiry(Star Chamber, Russian KGB Depositions) are…. A huge DISTRACTION.

    • SAM-TruthFreedomLiberty says:

      If they’re only coming in now then they’re no White Hats but turncoats.
      What are the chances they got wind of the FISA report?
      First FISA, then Flynn exonerated and then Durham..
      Once Flynn walks free all hell will break loose. That would also mean Stone off and possibly any other Mueller cases.

  17. Old Dawg says:

    I’ll believe it when and only when charges are brought! Show me a perp walking and I’ll get on board. Until then…I’m from Missouri. Show me.

  18. gjgrak says:

    I am a longtime lurker. I read the following article entitled “Mittens, The Deep State, And The Ongoing Coup Against POTUS” on, which I found to be an incredible read that I thought the CTHers might find interesting as well. I have not seen it posted here (and sorry if it already was), so here you go:

  19. bulwarker says:

    Never forget, these are (first and foremost) self-serving individuals. If the reporting is accurate then it won’t be long until they turn on each other for the sweetheart deal.

  20. OlderAndWiser says:

    This is great news!
    Though I wonder if the switch to criminal investigation was done a while ago. Also wonder if a grand jury has already been convened. The Times does an awful job on the timelines (as Sundance showed) and is backing the FBI over the CIA. Would love to see Brennan finally get his due.

  21. lawton says:

    Brennan refused to talk I bet and they have the goods on him.

  22. Reserved55 says:

    And the Fake News questions why Rudy is doing his own, and not the DOJ, investigation into the origination of Crossfire Hurricane.

  23. litlbit2 says:

    In the process it will be wonderful to learn when MSM Networks and which print publications knew this was a scam. The date they knew, who ordered their denial or whatever in order to continue the electorate indoctrination/coverup for continuation of the swamp agenda of the last many, many years.

  24. Mark P Lampton says:

    The desperation of the impeachment effort is starting to make sense.
    Those responsible for the Russia investigation desperately need the electorate to believe that President Trump asked Ukraine to investigate one or more Bidens, rather than asking them to aid US Attorney Durham’s investigation into the origins of the Russia interference allegations and Operation Crossfire Hurricane.
    Mr. Durham’s investigation, which unlike Mueller’s has rarely or ever leaked since it’s launch in March 2019, just leaked that his office is now running a criminal investigation. We can therefore be certain that either Mr. Durham or AG Barr just authorized someone in the DOJ to announce that they have called the flop in this round of hold ’em. We also know that AG Barr has promised to return the DOJ to its historical norms, meaning that any indictments that could affect the Democratic nomination process must be issued no later than 60 days before the 2020 Iowa Caucus–presumably this leak would not have been authorized if Mr. Durham doesn’t think his office will be ready to file its first indictments by December 5th, which just so happens to coincide with the deadline the Washington Post is saying Speaker Pelosi is looking at for an impeachment vote. This also gives reason to hope that the continued delay of the IG report is deliberate so that its release can be delivered a day or two before any indictments.
    Pardon me for mixing metaphors, but this is an all out sprint race to see who can discredit whose investigation before the other shoe drops. Mr. Durham seems to have a solid case that the allegations that Mr. Trump conspired with Russian officials–and perhaps even the underlying allegation that Russia hacked the DNC in 2016–were based largely on false reports from the UK, Australia, Italy, and Ukraine, and that the FBI and CIA leadership knew these reports were false at the time they launched the investigation.
    The obvious defense that will be mounted by any indicted FBI and CIA officials–assuming the FBI guys don’t go with the CIA tricked us angle–and all the Democratic politicians and DC press denizens that repeated these allegations, is going to be that 2016 reports were accurate and that the current Ukrainian government is making all this up in order to keep getting much needed military aid from the United States. Whoever wins, this is going to be fun to watch–and to think the major networks usually do sweeps week in September…

  25. Whenever I hear of someone described as “widely respected” in Washington circles…I automatically feel we are hosed. I’d much rather hear that Durham was “universally despised” by D.C. swampers.

  26. JoeMeek says:

    Groundhogs Day deja vu all over again.

  27. delighteddeplorable says:

    This is some ride we’re on with VVVSGPDJT. Despondency to elation so fast it causes whiplash, and this news is fantastic. Can’t wait to see what happens next. As always, thank you, Sundance, for your hard work.
    Our Lion has this and he also has millions of staunch supporters. Hallelujah!

  28. RedBallExpress says:

    Mr. Durham, a widely respected and veteran prosecutor who has broken up Mafia rings:
    Anyone want to bet the mafia is not involved?

  29. SAM-TruthFreedomLiberty says:

    The NYT not NAMING George Papadopoulos is a conscious decision when talking about “a Trump staffer”!
    What are they fearing? That people dig deeper or that there’s some legal ramification with it?

    • JL says:

      It’s all about keeping the Collusion Cult in the dark.
      If they are given too much information, they might wake up and realize they are being lied to. Then they’d have no reason to vote for Democrats.

  30. lemontree says:

    If Durham’s investigation has now become a criminal investigation, would the IG report info be held up again? I sure hope not.

  31. California Joe says:

    Question??? Will this make the Schiff “witnesses” think twice about testifying under oath before the House Committee???

    • TarsTarkas says:

      Jessie Liu and her allies would need to be removed first.

      • Beau Geste says:

        Amen. You mean the same jessie liu who declines to prosecute mccabe, the awans, wolfe, FBI agents, especially when the crimes involve congress and sneaky release of classified info?

  32. neilmdunn says:

    So many people could and should be taken down = convicted–>prison. Criminal investigation = Durham’s, Barr’s, and Our last stand for Justice?

  33. JoeMeek says:

    CIA Delende. Christus Vincit. Deus Vult.
    FBI Delende. Christus Vincit. Deus Vult.

  34. Playing devils advocate here.
    I’m sure it’s no coincidence that this announcement comes on the same day Horowitz is giving everyone a heads up as to the imminent release of his report…and that it’s going to be “heavy”.
    Could it be that the IG report is going to be so disturbing (to those who haven’t been following all this for nearly three years now) that Barr / Durham don’t want to get caught with their pants down and are preemptively announcing their going the criminal route? If so, it could be interpreted as a move to avoid the appearance of foot-dragging by the DOJ or a sign that this thing is really being taken seriously….in any event, we’re getting closer to the point where we’ll know for sure.

    • Zephyrbreeze says:

      There are no coincidences.

    • L4grasshopper says:

      The coincidence is a positive. The IG activity and what Durham is doing we’re always going to have lots of overlap and interdependencies. Perhaps the IG activity was kept open as long as the Durham activity was still an inquiry. Now that facts are likely known, and Durham transitions to formal criminal investigation, the IG Report is wrapped up.

    • hokkoda says:

      I’m going to go back to something I wrote the other day…that the IG Report Delay is driven by whatever Durham/Barr uncovered in Italy combined with their upcoming interrogation of Brennan. If the IG Report is the roadmap Durham is following, then it makes sense to hold it back until after they depose Brennan.
      Being super-cynical, I have been thinking for days now that the IG Report delays are so that the DS could gut it. Grassley broke that dam loose with his tweet, and so we get a flood of announcements today (not on a Friday at 6pm) that the IG Report is finished, will have few if any redactions, that there’s a criminal probe underway, and that the IG Report is the roadmap for the probe.
      That’s Barr telling Grassley to calm down, this is not going to get swept under the rug.

      • JL says:

        That wasn’t the only instance,
        I have a feeling Horowitz basically had to start over after he interviewed Steele in June:
        “That wasn’t my crappy intel! Glenn Simpson made me do it!”
        Imagine how much that screwed everything up.

        • hokkoda says:

          Steele upended the investigation, but not enough to definitively say criminal charges or improper predication. Mifsud gave them evidence of illegal conduct, that the entire investigation was a sham.

  35. H.R. says:

    You don’t give Attorney Durham powers like that (subpoena, grand jury, bring charges) unless you expect that he will be needing to use them.
    Here’s my one citizen’s vote of approval.

    • Jim in TN says:

      It is funny, I feel like I have been hearing that Durham had grand jury and subpoena powers for as long as he was appointed. But then we heard the same things about Hoser from Utah. Hoser did nothing. Maybe this time it is for real.

      • Beau Geste says:

        How could it possibly take this long to authorize a grand jury for indictments, with all the evidence publicly available? Until now, durham has had no more authority than horowitz? no subpoena authority? wtf?

        • hokkoda says:

          Procedure. They have to have credible evidence of a crime. Not beyond a reasonable doubt like you need for a conviction, but there has to be evidence that a crime was committed. Until then, it’s an administrative review and Durham can only review existing documents and request interviews. Whatever happened in Italy broke the dam. Hence the criminal probe. Hence the fake impeachment stuff.

          • Rhoda R says:

            The big question here is: When did the investigation transition to an investigation? Read the NYT and it sounds like it was just recently but it sure doesn’t feel like a recent decision.

            • hokkoda says:

              I would say sometime in Aug/Sep right about when the IG Report was first delivered. It probably contains multiple criminal referrals, and not for piddly stuff like leaking to the press. The other thing I look at is this interview Brennan is giving on MSNBC in early October. I was watching it, and he stated that he had an interview coming up with Durham, then he trashed the investigation as “bizarre” and stated he couldn’t understand the legal basis for it. That’s probably when he was being contacted by Durham and told “interview…or be subpoenaed”.
              But I would peg it to the IG Report getting sent to Barr. There has been reporting for awhile now that the IG Report and Durham’s investigation are hand-in-glove connected. And now we’re hearing that the IG Report is sort of the roadmap for Durham’s investigation.
              Oh, and when did the fake impeachment thing suddenly pop? Late September…total smokescreen.

        • JL says:

          Because they’re acting based on facts and evidence, and operating cautiously while obey DOJ policy and procedure.
          Unlike the DOJ of the last three years that was conducting a coup, and made things up or outright lied to get what they needed.

  36. pucecatt says:

    I wonder if these so called witnesses to this Ukraine hoax will take a pause in light of this news ? If they are smart they will stop lying and scatter like the rats they are ..

  37. SAM-TruthFreedomLiberty says:

    WHEW! We’re already deep in enemy territory!
    They’re trying to blame it on the CIA trying to isolate the case and sink it there.
    I expect more and more of such fail safe’s to be called as we go along.
    Culminating in Team Hillary vs. Team Obama? (Crooked is already preparing for that in teasing a run where she could say it’s not OK to investigate a candidate)

  38. hokkoda says:

    The Times uses a few words everyone here will immediately understand the meaning of:
    – unfounded, which in Official Government Party lingo means “founded”
    – conspiracy theory, which in the same OGP dictionary means “crap, they’re on to us”
    All good news. I do enjoy the media when they claim confusion about the crimes being investigated by Durham. Perjury, for certain. Obstruction of justice. Conspiracy against rights. Falsifying warrants/documents in a Federal investigation, Tampering with evidence. Illegal surveillance of US persons. Misappropriation of resources. Sedition.
    You know, all the usual stuff wrapped in a cozy layer called “Conspiracy to _______”.

  39. OK, criminal investigation began… Now, if this follows a typical deep state cover-up pattern, the next thing you’ll hear about will be IMMUNITY deals being given out to key players.

  40. jus wundrin says:

    As far as I know, there havent been any leaks coming from the Barr/Durham investigation. Thats got be driving the fascist progs up the wall…..and probably a reason why these investigations receive paltry notice from the MSM.
    Are orange jumpers just around the corner?

  41. Mac says:

    What we have here is ANOTHER RUMOR that an actual serious investigation is underway. In the first place, the DOJ does not have the authority to investigate anything that it wants. It has to have, at least, reasonable suspicion that a crime has been committed or that foreign power is attempting to perpetrate illegal action against the US [the predicate for a counter intelligence investigation]. This makes any investigation of this type a criminal investigation. In this case we have Durham and Barr directly involved in the actual investigative effort. So, what does this mean?
    It puts Barr and Durham not only in direct control of the investigation, but it eliminates other people having access to their findings. Could this be to prevent leaks? Almost assuredly. However, it also means that the only source for any evidence produced by the Barr/Durham investigation is Barr and Durham.
    In a previous thread, I put forth the idea that there was a faction of the Establishment which was using Barr to pressure another faction of the Establishment to stop attacking Trump. At the beginning of the week, the Get Trump faction was still actively pursuing impeachment. Since the we have seen two significant developments. There has been a Republican mini-rebellion expressing support for Trump and the “leak” that certain people are being viewed as suspects and that the Durham investigation is a criminal investigation. Duuuh. Everyone in DC, or having served in the government, knew who was in the cross hairs and that this is a criminal investigation weeks, if not months, ago. This is a pressure play. Now, not only does the DC Establishment know who is at risk, but the whole country knows it. The Lay-off Trump faction has just twisted the screw again.The ball is now back in the Get Trump factions court. We’ll have to see what their next move is.
    But, none of this means that any action will be taken against anyone or, if it is, that it will actually sweep up most of the people involved or all of the most powerful. While interesting, I would not see this as anything other than an escalation in an internecine power struggle.

    • cboldt says:

      Intriguing, but also promising. Esclation in this case was initiated by Barr. That is not done by a side that plans to back down.
      Not saying the end legal result is indictments, just that the pot is being stirred, and the public will becoime even more agitated, as it should.

    • Tseg says:

      Like watching snails make love.

    • YvonneMarie says:

      A power struggle between the United States Republic & the world.

    • SAM-TruthFreedomLiberty says:

      Now try to fit Durham into your story 😉
      The nearest thing I could find is his investigation into Bush era interrogation practices, appointed by Holder, ending it basically without a result.. for good or bad reasons.

    • Ray Runge says:

      So Mac, just a matter of heightened tensions without change in advantage?.
      Apoplectic actions sponsored by Adam Schiff with out a wisp of POTUS wrong doing would seem that the opposition is working over time to contrive Trump’s crime.

      • Mac says:

        The GT faction has the short term advantage, as the LOT faction has to use information and leverage which will not compromise the entire Establishment. Trump does not have any real allies within the government, so he is limited to what pressure can be brought to bear by appealing to the public. So, it will all boil down to who is willing to go the farthest to gain their goals. It is kind of like watching two football teams trade goals. Who will take the most chances to be one up at the end of the game and will they be successful?
        Remember, that there is still two other player involved. partisan members of the public. Fortunately they have not really gotten involved, yet. Let’s hope that they do not have to.

    • romy911 says:

      Interesting. I can see how that’s been happening, the back and forth. We should prepare & not be surprised by a punch back from the “Get Trump” faction.

    • Mac says:

      Okay, let me flesh my analysis out a bit.
      Originally, you had three groups of players; Trump, the Establishment and a counter establishment [which was people like Bannen and others]. Trump wanted to pursue his economic agenda. The Establishment wanted to protect their interests and remove Trump. And the third faction saw Trump as a way to settle old scores and gain power for themselves. The counter Establishment group was rapidly swept to the side, when Trump realized that they were more interested in feathering their own nests than in advancing his agenda. This left the Establishment and Trump. Now, two and a half years into the Trump Administration, one or more more moderate factions in the Establishment have come to the conclusion that the point of diminishing returns has been reached or passed in the effort to remove Trump. And, this has set up an internecine war within the Establishment. Trump is a third combatant, not related to either of the other two groups.
      Now, the Establishment, none of it, can really afford to have the dirty laundry of the political establishment aired in public. So, the Lay-Off trump faction is trying to stop the Get Trump faction’s actions without burning down the whole house. The Get Trump faction is desperate to protect itself and its interests and seems to be willing to burn down the house, if necessary. Trump just wants to be left alone to do his job. So, the LOT faction gets Trump to install Barr, who breezes through the Senate confirmation [which should tell you something right there]. Barr is the fixer and he has three jobs. The first is to keep Trump from doing what he usually does and jump into the fight with both feet. The second is to put pressure on the GT faction to back off. And the third job is to control the direction and results of the DOJ’s “investigation” and the dissemination of information and resulting actions such as indictments. The biggest danger to the Establishment, at this point is that Trump will take all the information, which the obsessive little government trolls have compiled in the course of their activities, and give it to the public. Once the genie is out of the bottle, there is no telling what will happen. As for Durham, he was assigned the investigation by Barr. It is unlikely that Barr would have given that assignment to an independent operator. And unthinkable that he would have given it to a member or supporter of the Get Trump faction.
      Make no mistake, outside of the Trumps, there are NO people in any position of power, in DC, who are not part of or beholding to the Establishment in one way or another. At the moment, part of the Establishment is working to protect Trump, in order to protect themselves. The other faction is still pushing for Trump’s removal, again to protect themselves. And, now, Trump has gone full junkyard dog on them. Tensions increase as each faction pushes against the others. Remember, Trump is a pragmatist who care for the country more than ideology. He will ally himself with the Lay-Off Trump faction, but I doubt that he trusts them. He just wants to be allowed to pursue his economic MAGA agenda within normal political channels. So, everyone is going to continue ramping up their activities, until somebody blinks and backs off. Who will it be?
      That is my current take on the situation. We’ll have to see what happens between now and Thanksgiving.

      • WSB says:

        I have a similar hypothesis.
        The day of Papa Bush’s funeral, PT met the family at the VP’s home. I believe at that meeting, the Bush family made a deal of a truce with President Trump. Let the Bushes off, never expose Papa Bush’s entanglements (JFK assassination, etc.), and they would allow Barr to go after the Obama/Clinton wing of the mob.
        Hence, here we are.

      • ABN says:

        Here are a couple of points based on your most interesting analysis:
        Mae: “The biggest danger to the Establishment, at this point is that Trump will take all the information, which the obsessive little government trolls have compiled in the course of their activities, and give it to the public.”
        This is huge. Add to it, PDJT has had his own investigation running at the same time. Both of these factors add enormous pressure on Barr/Durham.
        Mae: “Make no mistake, outside of the Trumps, there are NO people in any position of power, in DC, who are not part of or beholding to the Establishment in one way or another.”
        Key here is “…in DC.” PDJT has power outside of DC in the military, Military Intel, many rank-and-file LE including IC, the information discussed just above, US citizens, etc. Also, there must be many in DC who want to see an overhaul.
        Time and again we see PDJT making moves that bear fruit only months later. Your analysis is valuable and worth considering, but I remain optimistic that even if they are corrupt, Barr/Durham are all but forced to let much, if not all of it, out.

  42. pristach says:

    When the Times writes this garbage, who or what are they exactly targeting?
    It cannot be the general public. Nor can it be their rabid, leftist base.
    It must all be considered as signal to whomever must assume a defensive position. The crafting of this work is so painfully, dutifully obfuscating.
    They must pay well.

    • DeWalt says:

      Remember years ago it was revealed that many Journalist were actually CIA operatives writing propaganda.So, with that in mind, reread your comment.

      • WhiteBoard says:

        their propaganda worked on me – they literally wrote :
        “Mr. Barr is closely managing the Durham investigation, even traveling to Italy to seek help from officials there to run down an unfounded conspiracy that is at the heart of conservatives’ attacks on the Russia investigation — that the Italian government helped set up the Trump campaign adviser ”
        i thought Misfud was Italian Intel! Its sick these people are sick!
        so lets me see if i have this right…. Admiral Rogers in April 2016 shut down Database access (via ending Comeys footnote 69 Collyer Report memorandum for contractor access) and following that – these fake entrapments of Brennen’s spys began to get legal access to this database again (via FISAs)? and the fool FISA judges signed off on it and didnt know until 2017? or 2018, 2019, it didnt end according to the next judge’s FISA abuse report!
        i think the database has been wiretapped and is being accessed by outside entities.

      • WSB says:

        So true, DeWalt! Not many know…Cronkite and meny others. Yes!

    • daylight58 says:

      I believe that somewhat saw Johnny B. at Reagan National with a one-way ticket to Niger and a whole lot of baggage.

  43. coolmamie says:

    Was not it announced after Labor Day that the IG report had been delivered to Barr? If so, was it sent back for a rewrite?
    Additions? Delections?
    Or am I mistaken that it was delivered at all?

  44. Thrawlbrauna says:

    Good god. My headlines list just blew up. It’s all “A Criminal Investigation” literally EVERYWHERE! It’s going to be a good Friday!

  45. Lee Moore says:

    I wonder if Gina Haspel has been interviewed yet.

    • Gort says:

      She was running CIA London when all the dirty work went down.
      I always wondered why she had that “deer in the headlights” look (like Glen Simpson) when she took over CIA Central. Warner and Burr would have never let her run the CIA if she wasn’t dirty.
      I’m sure Durham is saving her interview for among the last — when he knows the answer to all the questions he will ask her.

  46. Earl says:

    A criminal investigation should have been started years ago. The moment it became known that FBI officials discussed an “insurance policy” against the election and taking office of a candidate for election to the presidency, a grand jury should have been immediately empanelled, the FBI officials placed under oath and warrants and subpoenas obtained for communications of all relevant persons before such records could be purged.
    Sundance has been outlining the scheme here for years. Entire books have been written by numerous authors, such as Greg Jarrett, Dan Bongino, George Papadapoulos and others. Some are onto their second book outlining the scheme.
    And only now, as we prepare to enter the election cycle, is any resort made to criminal investigatory tools to get to the bottom of it?

  47. pucecatt says:

    Did anybody catch Lindsay Graham’s reaction to the news about this now shifting to a criminal investigation? He seemed to ignore it completely and even looked a little nervous or at a loss of words ..

    • The Akh says:

      Where? Link or what show? I think Clapper was just on CNN when Cooper asked him about it. It would be fun to collect clips of initial reactions of these fools.

    • margarite1 says:

      Seems to me he has the power to do more than a resolution.

      • Rhoda R says:

        But does he have the willingness? I wonder how much he knew or was involved in the McCain shenanigans.

    • WRB says:

      Lindsey Graham’s reaction
      I interpreted that to mean he already knew, but the info was not for release. He seemed to like it when Hannity referenced the NY Times story…he was able to respond to a newspaper report without letting on that he had inside info.
      After all, Lindsey is head of the Judiciary Committee, and would be deeply interested in Barr and Durham’s activities.

  48. I really don’t pay any attention to the New York Times and their obvious spin – except to think that [its founder …] Adolph Ochs is probably spinning in his grave right now. What matters to me is that this investigation has formally and carefully progressed to criminal.
    Barr, Durham, and the others are playing their cards just as the master negotiator himself, PDJT, would do. Durham began with his kid gloves on, asking polite questions (all over the world), until now he concludes that he can justify taking those gloves off. It just might be time for every Member of Congress who isn’t a first-timer to “lawyer up.” And I daresay that Obama and Biden had better be doing the same.
    Because: when the American People voted to “drain the swamp™,” what they really meant was “law enforcement.” That must be very clearly understood. The People knew that their sacred temple had been turned into a den of thieves, and they elected a President who was bearing a whip. (As, very recently, so did the Ukranians …) Yes, I cannot help but notice that, all over the world, now, “official crime as usual” has fallen out of favor . . . and the posses are gathering.

  49. rmnewt says:

    The premise that “stolen emails that could damage Hillary Clinton’s campaign” equates to Russian interference is a preposterous supposition unless there are criminal or other condemning information that is in fact true within those emails. Hillary said it was just yoga and Chelsea wedding info so what would be damaging. Someone/everyone needs to push back on the MSM to explain how getting Hillary’s emails is interference. Those emails by default were public documents that were lost. It would seem that if Russia or anyone else found them we should only thank them!

  50. ARW says:

    What do you want to bet it turned criminal sometime in early August.

  51. foodog says:

    So, if per Sundance explanation in past, the NYT is primarily the leaker – speaker for FBI when CYA is needed- then perhaps the most recent high-level investigative travel to Italy is the indication that some fruit was obtained.
    I look forward to Pravda on the Potomac, oops I mean Bezos Blog, err I meant to say WAPOO to see what Brennan and Clapper and Rice’s spin is….
    PS: Sundance given Gina Haspel was reportedly a protege of Brennan, I guess its no wonder she has been pretty quiet lately. I still haven’t forgotten how Mike Morell rolled over for Ben Rhodes to censor CIAs own assessment that AQ was involved, and change that to “A youtube did it” so Rice could spend a week on teh talkies lying to America saying same…just so The One would not look foolish “AQ is JV we have them on the run” just prior to the 2012 debates with Mittens.
    Now we hear that people in Langley are lawyering up…
    Pressure is on.

  52. Sporty says:

    How much did Misfuds phones play in this?

    • cboldt says:

      LOL. The MSM will spin this as Trump out of control, ordering Barr to go after political enemise. Trump interfereing in 202 election, and the beat goes on.
      The press tune won’t change at all with indictments either. The press is pure propaganda, and everybody knows it.

      • Zimbalistjunior says:

        The press as usual will express actual feelings of shock surprise and dismay at first.
        Then at 6 am tomorrow the war room of the bens wittes and Rhodes will have figured out the talking points to respond.
        By tomorrow this whole story will be discounted, and the entire mass media will speak in one confident voice again.
        But who cares. In the end this will come down to Barr choosing the appropriate winning legal strategy.

      • mortgagesforthemasses says:

        One could probably make a RICO case that included the MSM. It’s pretty obvious many of them are active participants in the coup.
        A look at Fusion GPS bank records would be a good place to start, and then work your way out. Who did they pay in the MSM to spread the lies, and who paid Fusion GPS?

      • Boknows says:

        The Fakestream media is done.
        They have lied for years. Enough of the majority of people have ‘woke’.
        The more they spin, the guiltier they look. The democraps will have no choice to turn on each other. Even if they have been under threat not to turn, eventually the pressure will be too great.
        I believe more than one Democrat will think about their family who they may never see again because of the sentence they may face. They will feel the shame of crime and not want to face their children except for occasional visits in prison, missing out on their lives.
        Once one wants to talk, that person will be finally safe under witness protection. They will understand fully how them telling the truth against other wrongdoers will set them free from not only the mental anguish they feel now, but the freedom to be with their families living with dignity. Others will join them in speaking the truth against the wrong-doers, and the house of cards falls hard.
        Very hard.
        So to the players in the Deep State, you have a choice:
        Tell the truth and live in safety to enjoy your family with dignity, or…
        …risk the shame your children will have in their eyes when they look at you for the rest of your life in prison.
        The truth will set you free.

    • Durham looks so mean, if I were a kid Trick-or-Treating I think I’d pass-by his house. I bet Clapper, Comey and Brennan would too. Ha-ha-ha.

  53. ARW says:

    Question for the legal beagles. Say, DOJ interviewed Flynn recently and Powell represented him. Perhaps they mentioned blackberrys. Is it ok for her to then use this information in her discovery requests in front of Sullivan?

    • Wethal says:

      Yes, if they contain exonerating material, the government would be required to hand the info over under Brady v. Maryland. That’s what Powell is already fighting for – Brady material the feds held back before Flynn’s guilty plea.

    • cboldt says:

      Defense can use any information legally obtained, at any time, including after conviction.

  54. 300 says:

    I see this as a smoke screen to appease the peasants. Hey we looked, we say no evidence of intent so let’s get back to the status quo. Nothing to see here folks, move along

  55. Wethal says:

    So now Durham has a grand jury and subpoena power. And presumably the power to carefully and selectively grant immunity. I’d say mid-level people like LIsa Page and Bruce Ohr, who were high enough up to know what a lot of was going on but who were not the leaders of the operations. Perhaps the mysterious Mr. Pientka, Strzk’s partner, and who apparently is still employed by the FBI.

  56. Carrie says:

    Buckled in and ready for the howls from the left as they try to besmirch Barr and Durham. I guess I wouldn’t be surprised if this wasn’t criminal already for a while. Unlike other investigations (cough, Mueller, sputter), it appears to be leak proof and ready to be put in the water to set sail soon…

  57. FYI
    Today is two years to the day the news broke – thanks to Devin Nunes – that the “dossier” was commissioned by Hillary & her DNC.
    “The wheels of justice turn slowly, but grind exceedingly fine”

  58. Paul Gallant says:

    If the “Big Ugly” MOAB’s is to come it would have to be immediately after the release of the IG report would it not? Prevent the Rats from scurrying back in their holes.

  59. Michael Hennessy says:

    “It was not clear what potential crime Mr. Durham is investigating,”
    It’s clear to everybody except the millennial ignoramuses at the NYT!
    That’s a riot!

  60. trapper says:

    “So the Italian intelligence apparatus played no “official” role; which again would bolster the likelihood the CIA was the driving entity behind Joseph Mifsud.”
    A quibble, if I may. The agency which must not be named consists of thousands of clandestine agents, analysts, tech folks, and legions of support staff, scattered all over the globe, each on his/her assigned duty, almost none of which would have had any knowledge or involvement in this treasonous mess. One could also correctly state the same of the DOJ and the FBI.
    We may have our own views as to the degree of competence or corruption of any of these government agencies generally, but as regards Crossfire Hurricane, the EC that is claimed to have begun it, and participation in it, the scope of this investigation must be stay focused on the corruption and questionable competence (we know about it, after all – not very clandestine) of a discreet handful of individuals across these agencies.
    Durham is the bird dog on this, and he can follow a limited number of scent trails. Keeping focused will yield results. Follow the scent, identify the specific targets, and flush them. The agency was not the driving entity. Certain specific persons were. Track them.

  61. MarkJ says:

    Consider the NYT story a de facto announcement that Democrats/progs should assume DEFCON 1 posture. They’re freaking out…and understandably so.

  62. Johnny Boost says:

    Well they’d better move quickly because time is running out.

  63. Tseg says:

    Trump need only look to see what admins have a NYT on their desk in the morning to know who to keep an eye on.

    • Mr. Morris says:

      Yes, Peesident Trump today cancelled White House subscriptions to the New York Times and Jeff Bezos Washington Post.

      • Mr. Morris says:

        Bad typing. President Trump cancelled White House subscriptions to the N.Y. Times and Washington Post.

  64. burginthorn says:

    Let me be the first to say it. THANK YOU JESUS! Prayers answered, promises kept.

  65. beach lover says:

    I know we have been burned before, but I really think this is what we have been praying for, Treepers. It is finally happening.

  66. cboldt says:

    Where is the Whistleblower, and why did he or she write such a fictitious and incorrect account of my phone call with the Ukrainian President? Why did the IG allow this to happen? Who is the so-called Informant (Schiff?) who was so inaccurate? A giant Scam!

  67. Carrie says:

    Did someone in the Senate get an early heads up about it being turned into a criminal investigation- and then- just like that- Mitch gets some illusory vote condemning the kangaroo court in the House to save their backsides? The Senate is famous for waiting in order to choose/agree with the winning side (right or wrong be dammed).

    • Rhoda R says:

      If they are depending on that resolution to save their backsides they are even dumber than I thought.

  68. jnearen2013 says:

    We’ll see. Skeptical to say the least. Hope it at least pickers Brennan’s ass. Among others.

  69. jambo says:

    Busy few days.
    April 18th 2016 – Admiral Rogers blocks access to the NSA database.
    April 18th 2016 – Russia allegedly cyberattacks the DNC servers
    April 19th 2016 – Mary Jacoby (Mrs Glen ‘Fusion’ Simpson’) visits the White House
    April unknown – DNC hires Fusion
    April 26th 2016 – Mifsud tells Papadop about the emails.
    April 28th 2016 – DNC ‘discovers’ ‘intrusion’
    May 6th 2016 – Strzok goes to London
    May 10th 2016 – Papadop/Downer meeting
    Busy few days.

    • felipe says:

      I’m curious about an aspect here I haven’t seen addressed in this thread…
      “The F.B.I. opened the investigation in late July 2016, code-named Crossfire Hurricane, after receiving information from the Australian government that a Trump campaign adviser had been approached with an offer of stolen emails that could damage Hillary Clinton’s campaign.”
      If I’m not mistaken, I don’t recall any push-pull activity specifically regarding “stolen e-mails” except that apparently aborted attempt (originating from Italy) to get Hillary emails inserted into someone’s (Papadopoulis’?) computer. I thought the push from Misfud and female accomplice was just “dirt” on HRC.

  70. Liberty Forge says:

    Still working thru the comments, so this may have already been addressed — but! — to perhaps add some clarity to the situation —
    At some point, the CIA “infiltrated” the FBI.
    Think about that for a moment.
    For example, Peter Strzok is actually a CIA agent who infiltrated the FBI. He is both CIA & FBI — along with many others.
    Now, do things make more sense?
    (Do I know this first hand? Absolutely not.)

  71. Here’s a KILLER summation of research from multiple sources that ties ROMNEY in:

  72. fred5678 says:

    I will be paying careful attention to the “small group” and their fellow conspirators to see who appears on CNN,MSNBC, etc.and book tour stops. If anyone suddenly disappears from these appearances, maybe a criminal lawyer whispered in their ear to lay low.

  73. RobD says:

    Elections have consequences!!
    I thank God everyday I voted for President Trump!

  74. Freepetta says:

    I don’t know where some people with “experience in the field” don’t understand the legal system at all.
    Prosecutors for example the Attorney General or US Attorneys don’t testify. They investigate criminal activity sometimes by way of grand juries.
    People like farrier105 have zero experience “in the field” and don’t know ? from Shinola.
    A little advice to you farrier, you have no clue who may be here. If I were you I’d stop throwing out “facts” on subjects that you obviously ? know nothing about.

  75. Zorro says:

    Now, now, how does news honor our recently deceased comrade Chairman of White House Oversight? What about decorum?

  76. Newhere says:

    Two unrelated things:
    Is it possible these announcements about the posture of Durham’s investigation lag the actual timing? I.e., it’s been a criminal investigation for a while now?
    And second, here’s a sort of big-picture thought to throw in the mix. If it turns out all of this gets hung around the CIA’s neck, and FBI/DOJ squeak by with only some humiliation, it’s not a *terrible* outcome. And that’s bracketing (for the moment) any accountability for Obama officials, just looking at the three-letter agencies.
    Do I want or hope that *anyone* gets any slack on this? NO. And that is an emphatic no. But when the continuum is white-wash vs. total transparency and accountability, with a heavy historical precedent toward the former — we’re not in the worst shape if we get 85-90% transparency and accountability placed squarely at the feet of the CIA. But that is IF — and a big if — we get some real reform out of it. Destroying it entirely would be nice (dare to dream!).
    But here’s a key distinction: It’s one thing for the FBI/DOJ to get a pass because of the “Outrage Trap” defense — i.e., the excuse of “oh my goodness look what Russia did, of course we had to cut corners! we just love America so much and acted to protect the Republic!” — that would be a travesty as Sundance long has warned; but it’s another thing if FBI/DOJ takes a little bit of cover from the notion they were tricked or played by our very own CIA. The latter doesn’t sugar-coat what actually happened (i.e., fake Russia set-up); it just lets the public blame the CIA more than the FBI/DOJ.
    Again — that’s not the outcome I *want.* But it’s an outcome the NYT frame is starting to set up, and which I at least can acknowledge isn’t as bad a white wash as usual. Maybe it’s a tiny bone tossed to the institutionalists, because, and this is critical: We really do need the FBI/DOJ! We need domestic law enforcement. We don’t need the CIA. If the CIA gets thrown under the bus to save the domestic agencies, isn’t that at least better? Full truth is what we want, but if we’re prioritizing here, I’d be glad to see the CIA get discredited entirely, IF it actually might yield some real reform.
    NOT if the CIA gets skewered, fires a few people, promises to do better and carries on. Then it’s pitchforks.
    Anyway, I think this can only be a good development. How good, time will tell. At least I think we can start to more confidently say we’re now debating the nature and degree of transparency and accountability — and not will it happen at all. That, at least, is a good thing.

    • The top 12 at the FBI are either gone or will soon be and should be CHARGED if they did anything illegal. In addition, the 50 plus agents who accepted gifts from the media should be FIRED at the least and charged if what they did is illegal. Maybe, just maybe that would be enough to restore integrity within the agency. Rosenstein, et al at the DOJ should be strung up. As far as the CIA goes – I don’t know. Let someone else opine on it.

  77. Monadnock says:

    Well, well.
    Hopefully we’re about to transition from “Orange Man Bad!” to a lot of Bad Men Wearing Orange.
    That sound you hear is the palms of my hands rubbing together. 🙂

  78. Jason Ross says:

    It only seems fair that Republicans spend a solid week frothing at mouth, urging that U.S. Attorney John Durham be placed into protective services because they envision partisan snipers on the rooftops.

  79. mark says:

    in the meantime….there have been no indictments and and Judge has ordered DOJ to either indict McCabe by November 15 or terminate their investigation against him.

  80. Brant says:

    I wonder if our guys amped up protestations in the basement are to give honest protests but also they’ve been told to keep the frenzy elevated to distract the low info dim base while the real work is being done.

  81. jbrickley says:

    One subpoena, two subpoenaes, three subpoenaes – four
    Five subpoenaes, six subpoenaes, seven subpoenaes – more
    Eight subpoenaes, nine subpoenaes, ten subpoenaes – all
    One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten
    One subpoena, two subpoenaes, three subpoenaes – four
    Five subpoenaes, six subpoenaes, seven subpoenaes – more
    Eight subpoenaes, nine subpoenaes, ten subpoenaes – all

  82. Sporty says:

    I said earlier Trump would beat the impeachment to to punch. Here goes. Thank you Mr President. Gods Speed.

  83. For Eyes says:

    Now Barr needs to be impeached.
    If they can stuff up out of thin air on Trump, why not Barr too?

  84. Perot Conservative says:

    A quickie I posted at The Hill to smack their anti Trump, conspiracy thinking haze.
    SpyGate finally investigated and prosecuted. A few points.
    1. Mifsud a western intelligence asset.
    2. George Papadalolous a “useful idiot” used to dirty up the Trump campaign. Why were senior government and intelligence officials like Downer, Mifsud, and Halper cozying up to him? Set. Up.
    3. They even used an American CIA (?) honeypot, Azra Turk?
    4. John Brennan contradicts himself. Opps!
    5. Page-Strzok texts.
    6. Constant breaking of FBI, DOJ, NSA and CIA protocol when: 1) whitewashing Hillary Clinton; 2) impeding candidate Trump; and then 3) trying to frame President Trump and cover up SpyGate.
    7. Illegal NSA database access by the Obama Administration at an alarming rate. (Judge Collyer.)
    8. The Incurious Media. MSM covers their lies, omits facts, and promotes their defense.
    9. 100x bigger than Watergate.
    10. Are we s nation of laws, or do we have 2 tracks of justice?

    • WhiteBoard says:

      but the database was mildly legal through a comey special ! memo
      footnote 69 Collyler Report FISA – The improper access granted to the ___ contractors was apparently in place _____ ___ and seems to have been the result of deliberate decision making. ________ Compliance Report at 92-93 ____ access to FBI systems was the subject of an interagency memorandum of understantding entered into _____ ……”no notice of this practice was given to the FISC until 2016.

      • WhiteBoard says:

        i got it!! finally!
        the FISA was sought out to make all the previously obtained 702 data legal! (retroactively),.,,,,
        AND, if DURHAM proves it was obtained illegallly, then all the 702 SEARCHES become illegal AGAIN.
        ? am i right, or does the FISA sign off make it immortally legal for all the previous query abuse in the FBI systems????

        • YeahYouRight says:

          This is what SD has been saying is the purpose of the FISA.
          I just can’t believe Durham’s investigation only *just* became a criminal matter! Can *finally* subpoena and summon grand jury!
          Wasn’t this where we were already? I can’t be the only one. SD also thought reporters were conflating Mueller’s powers to see material with Durham’s.
          What a disappointing story.

        • Eagle Soars says:

          Fruit of the poisoned tree

        • mazziflol says:

          Illegal before or illegal after… At this point what difference does it make? Doubtful any meaning heads will roll.

    • California Joe says:

      However, “there must be an objective, factual basis for initiating the investigation; a mere hunch is insufficient,” according to Justice Department guidelines. I guess that DOJ guideline didn’t apply to Comey, McCabe and Mueller’s attempt to frame President Trump for a crime that not only he didn’t commit but a crime that never even happened!

    • Truthfilter says:

      It’s a leftist sewer at the Hill. It’s the same commenters every time. Usually there are around 60-70 of them who descend upon the comment threads and feed off of each other while attacking pro-Trump folks with so much hateful, juvenile vitriol that Hell itself is jealous. It’s either one of David Brock’s operations or those people are federal employees who are directly threatened by Barr/Durham. I have wondered if Peter Strzok and Andy McCabe are not sometimes among them. They are so angry and bitter.

  85. MAGADJT says:

    Sick of all the talking heads on our side that keep saying the House needs to conduct the impeachment inquiry “the right way” or to put it “in the light of day”. This thing is a sham regardless if it is public OR private! There shouldn’t be any kind of impeachment inquiry against POTUS period.

    • Zorro says:

      Yes, I want to hear the “c” word coup more often. I’m also tired that countries like Ukraine are somehow “entitled” to foreign aid on their schedule.

      • Pale rider says:

        Zorrow, think ‘kick backs’ then you have your answer. All foreign ha ha ‘help’ is an excuse to enrich the privileged with our American dollars. I’d say ‘tax dollars’ but that just isn’t the case because we just print it up now.
        Let’s say your name is say Biden, you go to the Ukraine and offer up billions then you tell them what to buy and who to buy it from and by the way hire my son and fire any obstructions. So you see American bleeding heart foreign aid is thieves in our government. President Trump announced he does not like any foreign aid and rightly so. I suspect this coup is going to come apart like the challenger space shuttle pretty quick wh n this gets to rolling real good.

      • donna kovacevic says:

        How stupid is America giving that corrupt country Ukraine aid and sending arms to them. Good Lord everyone around the globe knows and has known for decades that Ukraine is corrupt. Crimea belonged to Russia and people wanted it that way, therefore the fighting by Ukraine was nothing more than getting more aid from US Germany France etc all the while the politicians were enriching themselves on all sides, while the poor people suffered and continue to this day. My opinion due to the history Ukraine will continue its BS and there is not one thing Zelinsky can do about it. They too have deep state rich oligarchs that dictate how things will be done.

        • Pale rider says:

          But but but, Ukraine needs our ‘cooompassion’
          NO there is a pattern here we are missing.
          These countries are sought out and made unstable by our corrupt depts in Washington because they are used to launder our dollars into the hands of the criminals in Washington. We need to see this Trump is pointing it out for ‘us’. These people are evil to the core folks.

    • Linda K. says:

      Schiff just came out and said the criminal investigation is retribution.

      • Greg1 says:

        Smells like……….fear.
        He can’t make that claim since he doesn’t know what the evidence is, by the way. Schiff calling the criminal investigation “retribution” is in itself retribution.

      • Tl Howard says:

        Sure, Schiff, even though Barr told you and the public up front that he was going to investigate the spying on Donald Trump and asses what the predicate was. Eff you, you bug-eyed, pencil-necked, effete, lying POS.

      • Zorro says:

        Retribution for his criminal activities? Or did he leave out that part.

      • Julia Adams says:

        Schiff and Nadler both are calling this retribution but it won’t fly. The whole point of the House Democrats investigations and cries for impeachment were entirely for this moment in time. Let them moan and grown.

      • CharterOakie says:

        Schiffhead: go back to your SCHIFF-SCIF schiffshow.

      • GP says:

        Hi Linda-and that’s just the start of the DOJ “protecting the President” BS…all of which will culminate in the appointment of another $50 million tax-payer funded Special Council (SC)

    • inspectorudy says:

      These same delusional people were the same ones who said to let Mueller complete his investigation because he was impartial! The entire Russian hoax was fiction to begin with, and the Ukraine nonsense is too. The bottom line is that ALL foreign aid is a quid pro quo. Do any of you think that our country just gives a boatload of money to some tinhorn dictator to spend as he sees fit? Of course not! It is all directed to a certain project or program and everyone knows it. This travesty needs to be stopped now!

    • MelH says:

      It boggles my mind that even the President treats the impeachment inquiry as if it is really happening. Is he forgetting he said it was illegitimate until voted upon by the House. it being illegitimate should make it a non-entity, not worth the time to storm it or comment on it or Tweet about it. It doesn’t exist! Treat it as such, instead of just complaining about it.

      • dallasdan says:

        “It boggles my mind that even the President treats the impeachment inquiry as if it is really happening.”
        IMO, he knows it’s real and it’s very likely coming. He is consistently prescient, and he has watched for months his Repub. support in the Senate erode. It’s the Deep State’s last chance to remove him prior to the election, and they are all-in to try it, public perception be damned.

        • Risa says:

          With all due respect, there has never been enough Repub support for PDJT in the Senate to consider what we are observing to be “erosion”.

          • dallasdan says:

            Than you for your kind preface. I happily accept that my opinion has no greater intrinsic merit than that of anyone else.
            I agree with you. However, I think a retrospective assessment of RINO activity in recent months indicates that the latency of the opposition to the President has diminished significantly and has become increasingly obvious. The President’s tweets clearly reflect his awareness of and anger regarding the behavior.

        • MelH says:

          Support in ther Senate eroding? Why? I thought we all knew who the RINOS were, from the beginning. More have been added?

  86. T2020 says:

    What a steaming pile of Schiff the deep state traitors have created. Clapper and Friend, and Clinton and Pelosi had better wear their brown pantsuits.

  87. franz dorn says:

    Unseal the old McCabe Indictment. Unseal the new McCabe indictment.
    Announce that McCabe will face two trials in separate juridictions.
    Arrest one of Schiff’s aids. Charge him with a misdameanor

    • gnome says:

      Comment of the Month!

    • Gort says:

      Don’t forget to arrest everybody at 6am with a SWAT team and a boat load of Navy SEALS (even if you have to bring the water).
      Strip search everybody’s wives and threaten to prosecute their relatives!

    • Some old guy says:

      If they were to go “full Weissman” on McCabe, maybe they could begin probing his wife’s campaign contributions et. al. Oh the irony of McCabe facing a similar conundrum that he helped engineer for Flynn.

  88. Louisiana Tea Rose says:

    “….I’ll hit them back so hard, they’ve never been hit like that…”
    They will NEVER say he didn’t warn them.

  89. Eagle Soars says:

    Am I mis-remembering? Wasn’t Strzok the FBI’s liason to the CIA?

  90. Gary Lacey says:

    There is going to be wringing of hands, weeping and gnashing of teeth in Democrat land and whilst their tears will flow like a raging river, my tears will be those of joy…..justice has finally come to the wicked, the corrupt, the treacherous.
    Time has finally come to pop the popcorn and sit back and watch CNN, MSNBC and gloat

  91. jeans2nd says:

    Well, well, well, DOJ/FBI strikes first, huh?
    Let’s wait and see what WaPo/CIA/ has to say.
    The Times looks to be around DEFCON 2.4375
    If all works out the way it should, WaPo should come in around DEFCON 2.0625

  92. Richie says:

    This is a good sign too folks. Pure Desperation
    NYC Bar Trying to Obstruct Justice….
    NYC Bar Calls For AG Barr to Recuse Himself From ‘Ukraine-Related Matters’ – Including Ukrainian Involvement in 2016 Election, Biden Crime Family

  93. Bogeyfree says:

    So which of these did Durham uncover……..
    1) who the real author of the Dossier was?
    2) that Mifsud was always a western agent?
    3) The Russians didn’t provide Wikileaks with the DNC emails?
    Also now with subpoena power just how big will this list be and who are the most likely top 25?

    • As a man thinkth says:

      How about….who killed Seth Rich?

    • California Joe says:

      Mifsud was training FBI agents in Washington DC and giving conference seminars to Congressional staff. How the hell was he a Russian agent?

    • Linda K. says:

      Durham knows who Josef was talking to and on what dates. Possible text messages.

    • steph_gray says:

      The answer to 1) is Glen Simpson, working for Fusion GPS (that company Mueller never heard of), paid by Hilliary, wrote the dossier – in 2007, as part of a plot to use against John McCain. The dossier was based on Glen’s original “movie script.”
      Simpson’s wife even went so far as to brag that her husband wrote it.
      Later on I think they got Christopher Steele to scribble a grocery list into the margins and doodle some body parts on the closing page. (Actually I’m making that part up, but I’m sure his contribution was not exactly critical!)

  94. cboldt says:

    Schiff and Nadler playing the “Barr/Durham are MAGA plants” card.
    Somebody woke up Mockingboird before 4 am

  95. pucecatt says:

    Schiff and No Nads Nadler just released a statement about this news .. they are calling it retribution and that Barr has lost all credibility .. lol ?

    • Zy says:

      Retribution for what? The coup?

    • Right on cue. That’ s exactly why they manufactured WhistleBoy the Prequel.

    • gnome says:

      OK – so now the development of those charges for obstruction of justice, based on the Mueller guidelines, can begin.

    • My idea is that the Dems hurried to launch their impeachment “inquiry” as a preemptive measure when they heard that Durham and Barr were delving into dangerous and disturbing places that could cause them to lose everything.
      Now they can just say that the orange criminal is just desperate to save his skin by launching investigations into old and disproven right wing conspiracy theories.
      Jeff Sessions wasted 2 years not investigating and now we are behind in the media propaganda story.
      I think the outcome might depend on how much influence the media still has over the general population.

      • H.R. says:

        Not much. They are preaching to the choir and the half the choir has already gone home after rehearsal.
        Now if this was playing out on HGTV, it might be a different story.

    • mopar2016 says:

      If Barr has no credibility then why are they insisting that he recuse?
      These clowns asked him to recuse back in February and he turned them down.
      Barr is getting too close to their crimes, that’s why they’re talking that recuse BS.
      You can never trust any of em, but I don’t think Barr is like Sessions when it comes to pressure to recuse.

  96. Athena the Warrior says:

    Legal investigations are supposed to be done quietly not the clown show of getting in front of the media at every opportunity.

  97. Bogeyfree says:

    The very first person if I were Durham, to subpoena and question would be HRC. Her statement needs to be on the record BEFORE she declares for the race IMO.

    • Louisiana Tea Rose says:

      I said the same thing to the hubster last night, it would be a tarp for shielding her, or like an inoculation to keep the law at bay.

    • QCM says:

      If we are FINALLY a country of laws again, and I PRAY that is the case, then an investigation once launched will go where the evidence takes it and take down all involved.
      There is no exemption in the criminal code for people announcing a candidacy to avoid prosecution.
      If you think there is, commit a felony, announce your candidacy, and turn yourself in.
      Instant immunity, right? /s

  98. “The move also creates an unusual situation in which the Justice Department is conducting a criminal investigation into itself.”
    As opposed to the routine, workaday situation in which the Justice Department wiretaps and frames a presidential candidate and then a President for the last five years.
    The WeaselBlower Impeachme ntFraud was specifically constructed for this day that they all knew was coming.
    It was timed to break just before this Durham news and manufactured to specs to say President Trump was illegitimately using prosecutorial power on his opponents in Ukraine–and now with the Durham Probe as well. You see how that works?

    • Notice the Times doesn’t claim the same thing for Britain and Australia. Those retiring Intel Chiefs were given medals by Barry for helping to wiretap Donald Trump,
      Just like King George used Hessians to prolong his reign over Americans,

    • GP says:

      Stand-by for another Special Counsel-I’d bet $5k if I could find a bookie to take the bet.

  99. Blind no Longer says:

    HOLY SHEEEIT…that Strzok Page text message is Flynn GOLD!!! I believe we are about to see the flames from the Deep State- DC all over the country!!!!

    • cboldt says:

      Yep. Big shit here. FBI is in the business of manufacturing criminal for poltical effect.
      Not the usual FBI manufacturing crinminals just to make the FBI look good.

    • EnoughIsEnough says:

      302’s should never, EVER again be allowed after the corruption exposed regarding General Flynn. Every interview should be recorded. General Flynn and his family have endured unimaginable pain. I hope those responsible for framing an innocent man experience the same outcome that they tried to inflict on him.

    • beachbum31 says:

      the greaseball worm wapo/morning joe lacky Ignatius needs to be charged as an accessory

  100. “even traveling to Italy to seek help from officials there to run down an unfounded conspiracy that is at the heart of conservatives’ attacks on the Russia investigation — that the Italian government helped set up the Trump campaign adviser”
    Bullshit strawman. That’s not at the “heart” of anything. Mifsud was an American government asset, not Italian. The Times is trying to discredit the charge by “debunking” something we never claimed.
    That’s why they’re #ProfessionalLiars.

  101. burnett044 says:

    years ago before the telly…we had radio…and many of those old shows had the cliff hanger..
    ya know, tune in next week for another exciting adventure…
    so stay tuned.

  102. Bill says:

    Is it possible that the reason for the delay in the IG report is that some of the IC folks that had spoken with Horowitz already and given fake stories, decided they better come back to Horowitz after the review period of the report began because they had subsequently been interviewed by Durham whom used information from the IG report (,before others saw it) as his basis for his questions. Therefore all the agents that lied to Horowitz (figuring they’d only get a “decline to prosecute”) wanted to come back and correct statements as to not be charged with perjury?

    • Perot Conservative says:

      Possible. That was already stated 6 or more months back. When Barr and Durham were selected, Whistleblowers came forward, and some who had been interviewed came back with revised recollections supposedly bc they knew serious people were at hand.

  103. islandpalmtrees says:

    Will the little talked about MOU be the tie that insures both the FBI and CIA leadership get prosecuted? To say this differently, they have enough on each other, to hang the other because of this MOU.

  104. Bogeyfree says:

    “The move also creates an unusual situation in which the Justice Department is conducting a criminal investigation into itself.”
    Remind again, who was the AG before Bill Barr??

  105. Perot Conservative says:

    A few points I posted to The Hill in a burst of passion.
    1. Mifsud a western intelligence asset.
    2. George Papadalolous a “useful idiot” used to dirty up the Trump campaign. Why were senior government and intelligence officials like Downer, Mifsud, and Halper cozying up to him? Set. Up.
    3. They even used an American CIA (?) honeypot, Azra Turk?
    4. John Brennan contradicts himself. Opps!
    5. Page-Strzok texts.
    6. Constant breaking of FBI, DOJ, NSA and CIA protocol when: 1) whitewashing Hillary Clinton; 2) impeding candidate Trump; and then 3) trying to frame President Trump and cover up SpyGate.
    7. Illegal NSA database access by the Obama Administration at an alarming rate. (Judge Collyer.)
    8. The Incurious Media. MSM covers their lies, omits facts, and promotes their defense.
    9. 100x bigger than Watergate.
    10. Are we s nation of laws, or do we have 2 tracks of justice?

  106. Zy says:

    As others have pointed out, there’s already a lot of “retribution” talk coming from the Democommies. We need to laugh at them and ask is impeachment retribution for Trump winning the election and his achievements in office?

  107. QCM says:

    “Mr. Durham has indicated he wants to interview former officials who ran the C.I.A. in 2016 but has yet to question either Mr. Brennan or James R. Clapper Jr., the former director of national intelligence.”
    Brennan and Clapper better put their $h!++!ng pants on, because there is about to be a WHOLE LOT of pants $h!tt!ng going on!!!

    • Bill says:

      What’s funny is, you can tell by many of Clappers interviews, he’s not a man that can handle pressure. He’s going to crack like Humpty Dumpty. Remember I posted this. Clapper will crack with ease. Just rewatch the interview where accidentally calls what they did “spying” and then corrects himself. And this was before Barr was appointed if memory serves me. Clapper got very flustered and you could tell he was the type that can’t hold up under questioning. I’ve seen it a million times. He’s weak. I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets arkancided before he’s questioned.

  108. mr.piddles says:

    What’s hilarious about the progression of this whole thing, starting with Barr’s “I think there was spying” comment, is The Media’s desperate dismissal of this as a “debunked conspiracy theory”… usually with a “Fox News” thrown in here or there.
    So the Attorney General Of The United States Of America investigates “debunked conspiracy theories”, then. As that the narrative? And yet, to my knowledge, none of these Media Co-Conspirators have asked the AG directly to comment on this assertion? I mean, if the Attorney General Of The United States Of America was ACTUALLY investigating a “debunked conspiracy theory”… I WOULD WANT TO FIND OUT WHY.
    Now… how could The Media possibly spin this latest New York Times Back-Fill Spin Cycle? Should be entertaining.
    I don’t watch Chuck Todd on Sundays. Wouldn’t even consider it, TBH. But… mmm… I just might have to tune in this week. I think Sleepy Eyes is gonna be Glassy Eyed… maybe even Teary Eyed. Definitely jittery and otherwise visibly agitated. He’ll probably snap at one of his conservative interviewees. “Get Kellyanne on! GET HER ON!!!”

    • cboldt says:

      They — the press — they just lie with a straight face. Todd’s reaction is predictable as sunrise. Barr is doing Trump’s bidding, baseless accusations, etc.

  109. Truthfilter says:

    Running for President is a shield. They can always claim that PDT is going after his political opponents as long as they keep Biden at or near the top. Ukraine shenanigans must hold the keys to everything we want to know. HRC, Crowdstrike, the server, etc.
    No wonder Hillary is talking about running.

    • LIG says:

      I was thinking her “Russians” everywhere talk might be her insanity defense like Mueller – her mind is fading, foggy, not too clear. Sad.

  110. Lawrence says:

    The whole impeachment effort seems to me to have been a predictable. The Dems and media were much too invested in the Russia thing to admit they were wrong. Really they were not JUST wrong though. They were in on the conspiracy. But they need to divert the public’s attention.
    Now we have another instance of their complaining that “we can’t have” exactly what they themselves did. But the Collyer opinion should be seen as ample evidence that Barr and Durham are proceeding on the basis of real and very good predication.
    Our democracy depends on getting to the truth – the Dems be damned.

    • Bill says:

      I was thinking about this yesterday. I can already see it, when the truth comes out and Brennan is nailed for treason, all the rest will do a mea culpa and say he fooled us all. They will sell the sob story to their fickle base and many will accept
      It. And the commies that survive will live to fight another day.
      It is imperative that EVERY complicit actor in this coup is taken down. ALL
      OF THEM. CNN, MSNBC, FOX…ALL OF THEM. And the bureaucrats of course. But I’m more referring to the “media” that thinks they are immune. That’s how they hide. They leave their positions in the IC and take media jobs in order to protect them. So when the hammer of justice comes for them they can spin it as a totalitarian over throw.

  111. teabag14 says:

    When I see indictments, perp walks, prosecutions, convictions, and prison sentences I may consider the slim possibility that it is not too late to save our Republic. We all know so much about what is really going on, right? And yet the only people controlling the narrative and running roughshod all over our Constitution are those we keep being promised will be brought to justice. OK. I’m game. Expose them without recourse. Indict them. Prosecute them. Sentence them. Put them in prison. Is there any other alternative really? So if there are no indictments, prosecutions, sentences – like there have not been thus far – then what? Then what? What comes next?

    • Jimmy says:

      Afterwards we need to reduce and limit the size of the federal government to the Constitution’s limits. Otherwise, the criminal network will be back within one generation.

    • jeans2nd says:

      The replies to Nadler’s tweet are roflmbo funny – panic, woe-is-us, anger, defeat.

    • Garavaglia says:

      Boring. Is that the best tweet Lawfare could conjure up? Weak.

    • H.R. says:

      Nope, Schifty and NoNads, not political retribution; criminal prosecution.
      There are enough people that understand the difference.
      If you actually had any evidence against President Trump, there would be no secret hearings and we’d already be well into an impeachment.
      Aside from the Grand Jury hearings, the criminal prosecutions will be public.
      See the difference, guys?

    • SAM-TruthFreedomLiberty says:
      Notice, no attacks on Durham anywhere! Will be very hard to slander Durham.
      I bet Durham will step infront of cameras if the DOJ announces something.

    • mac says:

      Let’s see how that sentence sounds when properly and honestly written: “If the Department of Justice has been used as a tool of political retribution and to help President Obama promote his HRC-supporting political narrative for the 2016 election, failure on the part of the current Attorney General, as head of the Department of Justice, to investigate and prosecute all those involved in such malfeasance will mean the rule of law suffers even more irreparable damage.”
      Yep. I like that one much better. I’d pay a thousand dollars apiece to be the person who locks Schiff and Hillary into their cells in the Colorado Supermax for the first time.

    • Do stop thinking about tomorrow says:

      Now who is attacking the investigators? Under the Fat Jerry rule of obstruction that’s call what?

  112. BigTalkers says:

    Din’ do nuttin’..
    Don’ no nuttin!’

  113. QCM says:

    “Adm. Michael S. Rogers, the former director of the National Security Agency, declined to say whether he had spoken with Mr. Durham’s investigators”
    When this is over, and the dust settles, I hope my great-grandchildren are fortunate enough to go to Adm. Michael S. Rogers High School

  114. Barnestormer says:

    Now that a clear “proceeding” is underway, this might be a good time for some folks who were so liberal with their accusations of obstruction to get some sound legal advice on the actual statutes.

  115. dufrst says:

    Praying that someone we don’t expect is a double agent (Rosenstein? Mueller?) working with Barr to fully unravel this conspiracy against the United States!
    I know wishful thinking but I still believe without one of the conspirators turning that the arrest won’t happen.

    • Dutchman says:

      A # of the small group, by their actions, have sent VERY clear messages, for all to see, that they will NOT take the fall, for any higher ups.
      Comey and McCabe in particular, Stroxz as well. “Take care of me, or else!” And,…SO FAR many have acted, to try to protect them, in order to protect themselves.
      A landslide starts with one little pebble.
      And then its musical chairs; no one wants to be left without a plea deal, once the music stops.
      Thats how it happens,…if it happens.

  116. hokkoda says:

    Fox reporting that the FISA report will “illuminate” why Durham’s investigation is now a criminal probe. Therefore, the Horowitz report contains criminal referrals, and DOJ is not going to “decline to prosecute”.
    Timing of this news is intended to squash the idea that the DS is going to gut the report. Grassley’s tweet had a big impact.

  117. Magabear says:

    The Mamet Principle is strong with these NYT reporters. “Whatever is the basis for this criminal probe”? ?
    These leftists truly live in a bubble. Anything that doesn’t comport with their self delusional narrative must be a conspiracy (oh my!).
    I’m liking where Barr/Durham are headed. Put me in the optimist group. ?

  118. k4jjj says:

    “The Punisher” is coming. They all know it.
    It’s gonna hurt.
    There is no turning back now. It’s too high, too wide and too deep.
    “The Punisher” is gonna open a big ol’ can of it.

  119. Bluto says:

    Durham is a Federal Prosecutor. It is likely this has been a criminal investigation since the beginning. He has likely even impaneled a grand jury some time ago. He has always had the authority to issue subpoenas and compel testimony. Just because the NYT just reported it does not mean this is when it happened.

  120. Don McAro says:

    Anyone notice this? ” Now, Mr. Trump’s own Justice Department has opened a criminal investigation into how it all began.”
    They are making it seem like this investigation just started this evening….Of course to make it look like it Barrs response to the impeachment….
    Simply amazing

  121. alliwantissometruth says:

    Everything that comes out will be framed as the President trying to stop the investigations of him by the righteous democrats
    That’s why it’s imperative to show irrefutable, in your face evidence of outrageous corruption and criminality that cannot possibly be explained away as a concerned government undertaking investigations to expose so called election interference
    This is now a street fight, and they better be prepared to fight bare knuckles, no rules and dirty as they need to be
    No more worrying about what the democrats and media will say. You fight to take down and destroy your opponent
    You don’t spar with a powerful behemoth, you hit it with shots that count
    Kick it’s knee cap and dislodge it, and when it buckles over from the pain, bring up a powerful knee shot into it’s nose and shatter it. A quick kick to the nuts followed by a few vicious left/right combos to the head and face will soon bring it down
    That’s how you fight a street fight, and all of the evidence that points to the absolute obvious are the fists and feet they need in this fight
    Our side is supposed to be in power. Use it and start knocking people out

    • Dutchman says:

      While I may have a different set of tactics, depending on scenario, (a shot to the throat, to break hyoid bone, followed with a palm thrust under jaw, to break neck for instance) I fully agree the object is to TAKE YOUR OPPONENT DOWN. As quickly and completely as possible. Down in such a way you are assured they won’t be getting up again,….ever.

      • alliwantissometruth says:

        Dutch, I was referring to an everyday street fight, the kind I encountered growing up on the mean streets of Chicago. Killing your opponent wasn’t the goal
        But I concur, this festering, oozing blob of outrageous entitled corruption and usurpation must have the life snuffed out of it if we’re to regain our God given right to a representative Constitutional Republic

        • Dutchman says:

          Well, so was I, LOL. You put them down, quick and permanent. With no chance of them seeking revenge later on.
          We’re in agreement on strategy, and tactics are adjusted to situation. ‘S’all good.

  122. Zy says:

    Remember during “Mueller Time” the DOJ was sacrosanct, above reproach. Now not so much. These Democommies change their positions more often than they change their underwear.

  123. woohoowee says:

    “Fireworks!”, Sundance! Fireworks 🙂

  124. Bogeyfree says:

    With what we are seeing, it’s possible Barr and Durham have a bead on….
    The Ring Leaders who designed and ordered the coup
    The henchmen who carried out the day to day of this frame job

    • Zorro says:

      Twofers are good.

    • Dutchman says:

      The Ring leaders are the leadership of Congress, both faces of the Uniparty.
      Would they agree to confirm the appointment of an A.G. unless they KNEW said appointee wasn’t going to persue the investigation, wherever it led?
      Look how easily Graham and McConnell shot down Ratcliff, as DNI.
      If they thought Barr was a threat, they would have shut him down as easily.

      • Perot Conservative says:

        So if Barr wanted to bury it, why hire Durham, Nora, and why turn it into a criminal investigation? Why fly to Italy 2 times, and the UK?
        Though a Laura Ingraham guest noted Durham launched a criminal investigation before, and came up with nothing.

        • Dutchman says:

          Thats how you do an ‘exoneration’ cover up. You launch an investigation, drag it out for as long as possible,..(till people have ‘moved on’) and then announce no wrongdoing.
          Its an old trick of buerocracies everywhere.
          In the army, if there is a screw up, paint it olive drab green. If it STILL stands out,as a,screw up;
          paint it RED; makes it look like its SUPPOSED to be that way.
          If its a person, and court martialing them would reflect poorly on their superiors, PROMOTE them. Then, 6 months later transfer them.

  125. McCabe recently said all his Intel buddies would back him up. He didn’t say “…or else.” Not out loud, anyway.
    Wolfe was able to get off easy by threatening to expose senators. sundance says these guys will play the same card, Will they demand the senators impeach? Nah–that wouldn’t save them anyway.

  126. Elric VIII says:

    HOO-WEE! It’s hard to keep up with the comments, but things are happening fast. We all need to contact our Representatives and Senators and let them know where we stand.

  127. GTOGUY says:

    There are a lot of folks on here who are smarter than me, but just going back to the very first interview that Bill Barr did on the MSM he said that he thought when he first came on he would get the answers to all of his questions as to what went on in 2016. He told the reporter that after asking some simple questions, he got answers that either made no sense, or let to many more questions. That right there told me that this would be a lengthy criminal investigation. Barr has been a litigator and Attorney General before and has taken down drug cartels. He knew right away that this was a criimnal enterprise and a Coup de’ tat in progress when he joined the Trump Administration. Brennan and Clapper are in for some real pain. Maybe some others too.

    • mrsqt says:

      I agree with everything you said…. That’s how I remember it, and I remember it well. Although it’s been extremely frustrating, I don’t believe we’ve waited in vain. I do believe once the truth is known, those responsible for trying destroy President Trump will see their own legacies, careers, and lives destroyed. THAT more than anything else is what I want.
      They are basically on life support at this point. We have been waiting patiently for this. The right time… That time is now!
      They are barely hanging while we are just getting started.
      No, I do not believe we have waited in vain.

  128. jambo says:

    Massive Flynn drop can be found here if people have time to spare.

  129. Julia Adams says:

    Someone ought to remind Nadler and Schiff that the DOJ doesn’t act independent or only to the liking of House Democrats. The DOJ is part of the executive branch and they know that. The statements from these two idiots are ridiculous but watch for them to start issuing subpoenas to Barr and Durham as countermeasures

    • hokkoda says:

      The obvious retort is “Well, now we know why you guys rushed headlong into an impeachment based on a phony whistleblower: to try and give your friends cover.”

    • Revenant says:

      I thought I heard Nadler and Schiff say repeatedly, over and over, that “no-one is above the law.”
      Sounds like they should approve of Durham’s investigation.

    • wlbeattie says:

      Here is my tweet based on the interesting choice of words.
      Trump won – why would he seek “revenge”.
      He didn’t chase up on jailing Hillary .. so what happened that he would seek revenge using the DOJ.
      I’m not expecting an answer from any #Dem – because IMO they’d incriminate themselves.

      • mr.piddles says:

        Good question, Will. But don’t hold your breath waiting for a reply… they’re not thinking that far ahead.

      • Jederman says:

        The “revenge” angle is an infantile, shallow and expected response. No doubt pre-planned and in the hopper should it be needed.
        But it all goes away and is forgotten when the perps (receivers of the alleged revenge) are found guilty. There is no longer any point to the revenge angle.
        Regarding the independence of the DoJ, nadler knows all too well about that after witnessing the complete shutdown of every congressional investigation of the demonstrated and provable corruption of obama. All done the chicago way, lace the key positions in doj with corrupt and self righteous fellow travelers.

      • ceeleejay says:

        “Revenge” is just more projection by the Left as THEY are in it for revenge.

    • GP says:

      Hi Julia-I see this as the DOJ saying to the Dems “Look we’re not fond of Trump either, but this “illegal” impeachment quest is a bridge too far-because it is in fact a coup attempt.”
      So, the DOJ will see your impeachment attempt and raise the stakes to “everyone goes to jail. As an aside, the DOJ has a long, long history of putting ANYONE we wnat in jail, guilty or not”
      My prediction in all this is:
      The Dems drop the impeachment farce
      The DOJ will agree th Dem assertion that it cannot investigate itself and another long-drawn out Special Council (SC) is appointed
      Say bye-bye to another 50 million tax payer dollars for the SC…which when it FINALLY issues the SC report (somewhere around August 2020) it will make Trump look as bad as possible ans none of the bad guys go to jail

  130. Dee Paul Deje says:

    Don’t 5 of those six have the most punchable faces you’ve ever seen, save Brian Stelter and that other news guy, Rachel Maddow?

  131. Laurie Walker says:

    The NYT is is a mouthpiece of the parallel government. It’s also a lying rag that has to retract their lying on a daily basis. I hope this “news” is true, but if it’s another lie, it’s another dispiriting of Trump supporters.

    • James says:

      Yes indeed. My starting point is to now assume that the substance of any article from the NYT, or WAPO or its ilk is a straight up lie. At best the article is going to be completely biased. Even if it is close to the truth, you have to be be very suspicious of the timing.

    • Jay Currie says:

      Critically, one part of a parallel government, namely the FBI/DOJ. WaPo carries the water for the IC side of the parallel government.
      When the two streams cross, watch out.

  132. Bogeyfree says:

    So who will Flynn possibly sue first and in the end how many people will he put into possible bankruptcy?
    I hope he gets millions upon millions upon millions!

    • Blind no Longer says:

      Me too! And most of all I hope he gets to go before a congressional hearing and spill his guts about everything he knows and just exactly why the Deep State/Obama tried to screw him!!! Wouldn’t that be something!!!! Better than money!

    • cboldt says:

      Malicious prosecution damages goes to the government. The living breathing human is merely fired and maybe disbarred.

    • EnoughIsEnough says:

      I would love to see him get rich by draining the personal bank accounts of every single corrupt individual who tried to frame him. And put a lien on every one of their assets for good measure. Hopefully these crooks will be housed at the Federal Penitentiary, and no longer enjoying the freedom that they were willing to callously steal from General Flynn without a second thought.

  133. Bogeyfree says:

    Can PT put Flynn back in place the minute the Judge dismisses his case?

    • Ronnie Reagan says:

      I do hope that every patriot (who has been damaged emotionally and financially by all of the Deep State’s incredible crimes in their attempts to harm President Trump) is able to recover at least what it cost them in dollars.
      And that they can recover many times that amount for what it has cost them and their families in excruciatingly emotional torture for a number of years now.
      Oh, and that every Deep State activist goes to prison for life (or hangs for treason).
      Here’s looking at you, Barack and Hill . . . .

    • bullseye500yards says:

      President Trump should fire Fey Wray and make Flynn the new Director of the FBI to give the organization some credibility.

  134. Blind no Longer says:

    I don’t think I can sleep tonight!! Can hardly contain my excitement…it’s like being ringside at a heavyweight boxing match with a crooked referee, who finally gets knocked out by the boxer who he’s been screwing with bad calls for 9 rounds!!!

  135. Davenh says:

    We’ve come to take our country back. President Trump has done a great service for us by creating the conditions that expose the deep state treachery. I believe Steve Bannon once said concerning how it would be difficult to take our government back from the deep state “you don’t think they will just hand it back to you because we’ve won the election. No we will have to rip it out of their hands”, not an exact quote there btw. This will be ugly, messy and by no means guaranteed successful. The corruption is so pervasive and institutional that I believe the upheaval may well exceed anything that any one of us can imagine. I take heart in the fact that this nation has somehow someway been blessed by divine providence. I pray we still have enough of that to carry us through the epic shitstorm about to be unleashed.

  136. nyt gives pause. They are LIARS so how would we know anything after hearing from that fishwrapper ?

  137. foo says:

    The question:
    Will this be wrapped up before October 2020?
    Allowing this to extend beyond the election would be a republic-ending travesty.

    • cboldt says:

      Depends on your criteria for “wrapped up.”
      If you mean all the croiminal appeals are final, no.

    • Perot Conservative says:

      Someone here offered indictments would need to drop within 2 months to avoid stepping on some traditional cut off date in an election year. Correct?
      Does this mean we have 12 months of near Limbo?

      • jeff montanye says:

        can you imagine the dems stopping the impeachment work if still in progress, i.e. before a senate vote? even if trump won the vote they’d still probably keep trying something. they mostly all have apparently terminal cases of trump derangement syndrome.

    • Kleen says:

      Flynn’s case is about to explode on their pathetic faces. This month.
      That alone will be over and done soon.
      He will be a free, rich man serving in Trump’s administration, in the name of Jesus!

    • California Joe says:

      Certainly not the whole deal but there should be arrests pretty soon, a few months at the most, of the lower level conspirators like Strzok, Page and McCabe as well as some loose cannons like Samantha Power. The bigger fish like Comey, Brennan, Clapper and Lynch will take more time. Keep in mind that Durham wouldn’t need any grand jury subpoenas to access any FBI, DOJ and CIA records including email accounts and text messages. A mere letter from Durham to the agency head is all thats needed so the investigation can be pretty well advanced before it was advanced to a criminal investigation.

  138. Kleen says:

    Yesterday, being on the side of justice was a miserable place to be. Nothing but injustice.
    Today, there’s no place I rather be. What a great place to be.

    • Bogeyfree says:

      Try reading the Sidney brief!
      Not only does it exonerate Flynn but will possibly help Durham and Barr prosecute those who designed, directed and conducted this Russia Collusion frame job or as most IMO will be calling it soon, a coup on a sitting President!


      Non-sense. From Sundance, Bongino, and many many more (Including Sperry!!) have exposed to MILLIONS of Americans the absolutely putrid federal police state and their media allies.
      Our VSGPOTUS has been exposed to far more slander and spying than any of us ever imagined could happen in our country. Sperry, Mollie Hemingway, Sara Carter, John Solomon, Margot Cleveland and far too many to mention have provided us FACTS to fight against the EVIL that is the Deep State, Demonrats, and Pravda Media.
      That aint nothin’!!!

    • Jaap Titulaer says:

      Hey, I missed that! Shadow banning again?
      Anyways, here’s another:
      “STILL must put out drafts of report to witnesses for their review”
      Now that is odd. I mean if not via this IG review, how did Flynn’s defense team get the to see some of the evidence that Flynn’s prosecutors (SC holdovers) are still withholding?

    • joshashland says:

      Jim Jordan was questioning James Baker w attorney present October 3,,2018
      Bakers attorney stopped him from answering a question about Steele Dossier and
      David Corn. Attorney cited reason “there is an ongoing criminal investigation ”
      Jim Jordan asked ; Huber?
      Response was “Durham, Durham……October 2018
      Durham was investigating before Sessions left.
      Read the transcript on twitter.

  139. Abolition Man says:

    It seems quite clear that the whole “shampeachment” effort is a blatant attempt to dirty up President Trump and cast doubt on any forthcoming criminal investigations by Barr or Durham. This also serves the purpose of acting as the DemoKKKratic presidential campaign since they know that NONE of their candidates can win against President Trump unless his rising approval can be destroyed. If the media has to start doing their job and report the level of corruption the DemoKKKrats have fallen to the election will be a landslide for VSGPT!
    This is why they are willing to say anything, spread any uncorroborated lie and even make stuff up! They have to destroy President Trump or their whole pay-to-play scheme with U.S. payers acting as an ATM machine for the crooks in both parties falls apart and they and their kids might have to get real jobs. Oh, the horrors!
    Stand firm in your resolution; these evil criminals are close to being exposed to the world as THE MOST corrupt group of officials our country has ever seen! Pray for our president and his allies and the patience to see this fight through to the rebirth of our great nation!

  140. Bogeyfree says:

    The Lord sent us two incredible Angels….
    President Trump
    Sidney Powell


    To all the “nothings gonna happen to anyone” and “wake me up when someone is in handcuffs”, you’ve said your piece. Now go away.
    F-off ROLCONS!!!
    You, and your douchebag CIA,FBI, State Dept hack traitors are about to be exposed!!!

  142. Derek D. says:

    For the many millions of us who put our lives on the line defending this country for decades, maybe, just maybe we’re going to see some vindication for all our years of service. In my case, living away from family for years, flying 24hr missions during the Cold War, numerous trips to Southeast Asia. etc.. Most of us would do it all again in a heartbeat. I have no doubt that the Lord is watching over our POTUS, and all of us must do likewise.

    • Rick L says:

      Thanks Derek aside from the vindication you seek, it was worth it since my family and I appreciate greatly people like you,

  143. MR52 says:

    Just remember who is reporting this!!!!! NYT wants you to think a certain way.

    • joshashland says:

      NYT …ugh
      Durham has been conducting a criminal investigation for over a yeat!
      He was outed when Baker’s lawyer refused to let him answer because of criminal investigation by Prosecutor Durham 10/03/2018.

  144. Raised on Reagan says:

    It will be interesting to see how Judge Sullivan handles Sydney Powell’s request for dismissal of charges against General Flynn.
    What’s the timeframe for the next court date?

  145. FBI agents “discovered the offer“?

    Yes. The agents came to work in the morning, had coffee, chatted by the water cooler, and when they finally opened the dispatches they discovered that Mifsud made an offer to Papadopoulos he was instructed to make.
    Isn’t that how today’s FBI discovers things?

  146. FBI agents “discovered the offer“?

    Yes. The agents came to work in the morning, had coffee, chatted by the water cooler, and when they finally opened the dispatches they discovered that Mifsud made an offer to Papadopoulos he was instructed to make.
    Isn’t that how today’s FBI discovers things?

  147. Julia Adams says:

    Just thinking out loud tonight…how is it that the New York Times was able to report this story? One day after the NY Bar Association demanded AG recuse himself from anything with respect to the Ukraine? Seriously. How did the Times get this story? Who’s their source? Was it leaked? What if this story is not true, instead planted, but an attempt to flush out the Durham investigations and pressure Barr to recuse? I am skeptical only because we’ve been burned before on stories like this.
    A quick glance at the timeline suggests a couple of things (in my opinion)
    1. My guess is Michael Bromwich is somehow behind this. He’s representing McCabe and has been pressuring Jessie Liu by email and through the media.
    2. The Schiff statement came out too quickly. Pre-prepared?
    3. On the heels of yesterday’s “storming” of Schiff’s SCIF, this story appears. Coincidence or Countermeasure?
    4. Has there been an official announcement by the DOJ in this regard?

    • gda53 says:

      FBI are the designated NYT leakers. WP is CIA. And so on. Sundance gave the list of which Agency leaks to which ‘news’ outlet.

    • butch cassidy says:

      I would say that those who were reviewing the I G report, those who are named in, knew where it was headed and they were the ones who leaked it. Hell the I G report might have said it recommends a criminal investigation.

  148. letty bromenschenkel says:

    “Bondo” brilliant…
    have to say ::: the biggest bonus in visiting here is your
    incredible writing skills… the best in the Political networks.

  149. letty bromenschenkel says:

    someone published a note that Mifsud has vanished again.
    aliens keep abducting him.

    • mr.piddles says:

      If you’ve never been to Mifsud Resort And Spa, you don’t know what you’re missing. Vveerrrrry relaxing.
      If his spontaneous evaporation is true… I would imagine a few people would want him dead, given his central role in the whole deal. Not so much “shut him up”, but to “send a message”. Seems Barr/Durham went to Italy to focus on the Mifsud Angle, and if you’re going right into #RussiaGateHQ, they probably obtained signed testimony.

  150. Louisiana Tea Rose says:

    —wonder what Mueller, Weissman, McCabe, Comey, Baker, and Yates are doin tonight? Having a beverage with Burr and Warner?
    —where is Obama? VJ? Lynch? Brennan? Clapper? Rice? Sammie Jo? Betcha they’ve got those passports ready to go
    —curious whose bank accounts are freezing up tonight?
    —hope Chick-fil-a and Dominos are stocking up, you guys are gonna rack up some bucks over the next few months…and they’re gonna need a lot more toilet paper in the Capitol building
    —heard a rumor Nancy threw herself onto Elijah’s human humidor sitting in the rotunda, screaming, “ELI, TAKE ME WITH YOU!!!” as Capitol Police pried her off the lid…one officer reached down to the floor to pick up some candy that fell out of her clothes, then realized it wasn’t chocolate.
    —Jeff Zucker and Shep spotted at a bar, waiting for Napolitano to show up.
    —strange silence from Trump Twitter, but I can feel him smiling all the way down here in Ozark/Trump country.

  151. beachbum31 says:

    Maddow CANNOT BELIEVE the Russian ‘meddling’ DID NOT happen.!
    EPIC. at least she left her SCUMBAG script for tonight. Her former DOJ guest refuses to question Durams integrity. huh

    • Louisiana Tea Rose says:

      Now would be a great time to start watching some MSM “news” coverage. Never know just how entertaining it’s gonna get.
      Hey, they don’t call crawfish “mudbugs” for nothing, and them things back up fast like nobody’ business…time for a crawfish boil.
      Trump’s coming, and he’s bringing some kinda cold fish.

    • Mikey likes it! says:

      You leave Geraldo’s brother alone, meanie!

  152. wxobserver says:

    One thing that previously puzzled me now starts to make sense. Maybe. Papa-D says than in January 2017, the FBI asked him to wear a wire against Mifsud. If the FBI knew Mifsud was a friendly working to setup Papa-D, why would they ask Papa-D to wear a wire? This makes no sense…unless at that time the FBI didn’t know Mifsud was working for western interests (e.g. Brennan). Shortly thereafter, the FBI appears to lose interest in Mifsud…maybe because they learned what he was up to.
    If this is true, the next question is: Who within the FBI was in the dark about Mifsud? Was it just the lower level agents, or did that lack of knowledge go all the way to the top?

  153. USA First! says:

    It’s about time!

  154. CM-TX says:

    Not surprised…
    (The Left relies on Word Games in plain sight)
    I posted the following comment in June. (SD had posted Boyd’s letter to Nadler). Letter was in response to an inquiry about Spygate…
    | Heads up: [refer to Boyd’s letter]
    See “(Department)” above, it’d be redundant in it’s placement if it wasn’t meant to imply something of significance, aka: (??).
    My guess it means “internal Dept.”… as in this is being conducted by a particular Dept of insiders, within the DOJ.
    ie., Don’t worry, the clean-up crew has got this contained.
    Calling it a “Review”, & not an “investigation” is telling in itself.
    Remember also, there’s a HUGE difference for anything labeled a “MATTER.” As in it goes nowhere, & is meant to be covered-up.
    So see where “… and certain related matters” is followed by “(Review)”. It’s unnecessary. Unless, it’s offering some added assurance that pertains to.
    ie., These issues are considered as “matters,” & will ONLY be “Reviewed”.
    Don’t be surprised when this “Review” results in a REPORT only. One that’ll attempt to minimize & justify their crimes, while hiding the TRUTH.
    Thanks, Boyd ? |

  155. Troublemaker10 says:

    I wonder how serious the crimes being investigated are?
    Dem strategist are trying to spin this as nothing but a political vengeance act by Trump (with Barr and Durham acting on Trump’s behalf), but they are downplaying this and saying it is likely nothing except process crimes (lying, etc)…not serious crimes.
    The Dems seem very panicky to me though.

  156. jello333 says:

    I haven’t read the comment section yet, so someone else may have already noted this. But a little while ago I checked at Daily Kos to see their take. (Yeah, despite the fact that I’ve been banned there for years, and I now despise the place and most of it’s people, I still peak in now and then to watch them whine. 🙂 ) Some of them are in their typical TDS mode, and are in disbelief that Barr and Durham would be doing this considering Trump is THIS close to being impeached, and that it’s just an amateurish distraction. On the other hand, a lot of people are telling the others to NOT just brush this off… that it’s got the potential of being really bad news for the anti-Trump side. In fact, a few of them even noted — quite seriously — that Obama himself could even be in trouble.
    So just in general, the needle on the Nervous Meter at that site inched up quite a bit today.

  157. Linda says:

    Don’t know if this is the proper place to put this, but it’s very interesting and pertinent, I think, in regards to all the Ukraine dealings.
    “As network emerges through Schiff hearings, NYT decrees ‘Deep State’ now a compliment, By J.E. Dyer October 24, 2019” in
    Talks about a LOT of connections, and is written by a retired Naval Intelligence officer.

    • Troublemaker10 says:

      Major point from above article:
      “It can’t help looking a bit pointed when witness after witness for Schiff’s Ukraine-themed impeachment campaign ended up working Ukraine in the last three years, and keeps having the same network of connections to Spygate figures. Even the most resistant mind at some point will conclude that there’s a real network here, and it’s a lot of people who know each other professionally, have been working in government and “civil society” institutions for years, and are now showing up one by one to try to take out Donald Trump, the duly elected president.”

  158. beachbum31 says:

    the new ‘they never thought she’d lose’ should be ‘how did Mueller not know’.

  159. Troublemaker10 says:

    Flash from the past (May 2019). Remember this?
    SpyGate Shake-Up: Prime Minister of Italy Fires Top Officials from Italian Intel Agencies
    In a surprise move Wednesday, Giuseppe Conte, the prime minister of Italy, fired the top management of three Italian intelligence agencies.
    The move is being seen as the Conte government’s response to the previous government’s coordinated surveillance activity with U.S. intelligence officials during the 2016 U.S. election.

  160. Marygrace Powers says:

    How ridiculous Strzok/Page sound in their “stupid soap opera bubble”…
    “I LOVE you soooooo much LISA…”
    “NO Peter I LOVE YOU soon much ….”
    Total arrogant IDIOTS!
    Fast forward when REALITY sets in …..
    Page to Strzok… “DO NOT EVER CONTACT ME AGAIN.” YUGE LOL … Hope they FRY.

  161. DB says:

    Could this be the reason why Comey has thus far escaped prosecution – they were waiting for the investigation to transition into a criminal investigation?
    Should Komrade Comey be worried/lawyering up now? I do hope so.

  162. gda53 says:

    Chris Hahn was absolutely off his meds tonight interrupting Mollie H. constantly as she methodically laid out exactly what this meant. She finally told him to ‘shut up’ in polite Mollietalk.
    Panic reigns supreme!

    • Troublemaker10 says:

      Indeed! I noticed that also. Hahn is always an arse, but he seemed extremely panicky. He also tried to say Durham’s criminal investigation was process crimes (not real crimes). Painted Barr and Durham as doing vengeance political hit jobs (Nader and Schiff talking points).

    • joeknuckles says:

      Chris Hahn needs his ass kicked.

  163. Moe Grimm says:

    I hope for the best, but for cause expect the worst. When I see the first (FIRST) set of indictments maybe I’ll be a believer. This vaunted Horowitz ‘report’ I expect to be as his first where he took 560+ pgs of Famous But Incompetent (Sean Kimber Hannity’s “rank ‘n file”), and others, who committed documented Felonies and Misdemeanors. Horowitz conclusion? I just pissed in your ear and want you to believe it’s only raining. Fk that. Fk him. And Fk all his kindred ilk Orcs on the Potomac who suck like the parasites they are from the good and kind Heartland’s blood – including Burr, Romney, McConnell, Sasse, Graham, Portman, ad infinitum. And every coward like them including every filthy stinking streak yellow corrupt thieving massively corrupt fraudulent sweaty hand d-‘rat in the “house”. Do any of these serpents Co-me, Brennan, Clapper, 0bamaclinton et al. several with CNNMSLSD contracts look worried to anyone here? There’s a 59+ year old reason they do not.
    The only actions I’m aware of is the Dept. of Just-Us declining to prosecute much of it detailed here by Mark himself. To date in several instances at that. More yet, and though I love this President and his family, especially his young son Barron who’s heard his parents heinously slandered even murdered in effigy beginning at 11 YEARS OLD. I pray for this young man every night, his parents, family, and this most noble nation ever written to human history. For all his father has promised and then accomplished – all with a shiv at his spine 24x7x365 for over three (3) years. There is no voting our way out of this. The normies are on deck to absorb the rudest of awakenings. A reckoning is excessively past due among ongoing moronic spectacles such as republicans storming the d’rats in the “sciff” while ordering in fast food and otherwise doing absolutely nothing to effectively support PDT. True Morons. Those failing to prepare for what’s coming and beyond are Fools. This isn’t the 60’s and early 70’s. This time we’re in Deep. What the rebuild looks like is just as important. Big surprises for many when the music finally stops. And it will.

    • GP says:

      Hi Moe-I have to agree-the only way out of real, rubber meeting the road, for real revolt will be for both sides to back down. The Dems give up the impeachment farce, DOJ agrees not to prosecute anyone and the Dems try to steal the 2020 election. Both sides are out of moves.

  164. RAC says:

    ” The “tricked” by the CIA angle ” fits well with Comeys sanctimonious bleating, but it won’t work.
    The FBI have all the stuff without the redactions, they know, knew from the outset what went on.
    If they were honest brokers they’d have come clean straight away and not subjected PDJT to 3+ years of false attacks.

    • Kaco says:

      More hope from this report that something is actually being done now. But they better not throw one agency under the bus to try to salvage another. The FBI is equally guilty, Sundance has already connected those dots.

  165. JAS says:

    Bag lady’s most lucid moment: “we’re all gonna hang from nooses”

  166. Merkin Muffley says:

    This is going to be the greatest propaganda battle since the Cold War.

  167. Mad Max says:

    Brennan wasn’t very creative with operational coding.
    Maltese Professor Mifsud and Crossfire Hurricane? Really?
    If anything happens to Mifsud, they’ll be putting up another star at Langley.

  168. Bogeyfree says:

    The Anatomy of Counterintelligence
    The essentials of organizing a counterintelligence service.
    In their own manual and procedures it says…….
    “The chief of the service must have direct access to the chief executive.”
    Hmmm……Very Interesting!

  169. Conservative_302 says:

    Many great things have happened lately. Barrs speech on religious liberty. Thomas’s religious speech at Hillsdale. Now Sidney Powell’s motion to dismiss. Durham investigation turning into a criminal investigation. I feel very blessed. I pray for Trumps safety and God’s favor every night. Despite all the evil Trump, Powell and so many have been fighting, he is winning with the grace of God. I feel truly blessed. Thank you Sundance for doing such an incredible job. I have no doubt you have God’s favor, too. Praise be to God for saving us from such terrible evil

  170. Henry chance says:

    Under the laws pertaining to”6 ways to Sunday”
    They can apply idioms for idiots and tell Schiff and Nadler to take a hike. nothin’ from nobody because this “matter” is under criminal investigation.

  171. Carrie says:

    I’m hearing this investigation goes back to one year before Comey’s appointment! What significance do you make of that timeline my fellow Treepers?

  172. concernedcitizen says:

    It will be interesting to see how Brennan responds to the charge that the FBI was duped by the CIA.
    If Brennan pushes back, it means that the circular firing squad is taking aim. If so, Barr/Durham can give the Bureau of Prisons a heads up to get the cells ready at Leavenworth.

    • More Likely they’ll be sent to Guantanamo to face a Military Tribunal. Plenty of cells there, but some will only be needed temporarily. I hear they ordered some new rope.

      • cattastrophe says:

        We no longer have a justice system that metes out the correct judgement for treason. We have a coddling sissified idea of justice for those trying to destroy our country from within and in my opinion that’s why it’s no longer a rarity.

  173. Stan W. says:

    That NY Times article presents/contrives classic alibi’s for the Trump-haters. Then, in effect, it scolds the President and his supporters for, “failing to put this behind you.” It’s one of the worst examples of riding the corruption bandwagon. Good for the President in banning the Times and the Washington Compost from the White House.

  174. Kevin Failoni says:

    Obama ordered the whole thing. Brennan had Misfud plant phony information into the Trump campaign and the FBI willingly used it to frame Trump.

  175. Dagnabbit, I’ll get you, wascally wifi and non-editable wordpress…
    Watch Judge Nap FISA splain here at 7:00 agin….

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