Sunday Talks: Defense Secretary Mark Esper -vs- Chris Wallace Debate Turkey, Syria, Kurds and Ultimately The Ottoman Empire and TheMuslim Brotherhood…

Defense Secretary Mark Esper discusses and defends President Trump’s smart decision to withdraw U.S. troops from Northern Syria in advance of Turkish forces launching an assault into Syria against Kurdish forces and the SDF.

The background here goes back to Turkish President Recep Ergodan, a gatekeeper between the middle-east and Europe; and his intention to use his ideological alignment with political Islam, via the Muslim Brotherhood, to recreate the Ottoman Empire.

Kaddaffi (Libya), Hosni Mubarak (Egypt), Abdullah Salah, and Ben Ali (Tunisia). “The Islamist Spring” Gatekeepers. 

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153 Responses to Sunday Talks: Defense Secretary Mark Esper -vs- Chris Wallace Debate Turkey, Syria, Kurds and Ultimately The Ottoman Empire and TheMuslim Brotherhood…

  1. Elric VIII says:

    What do you see when you examine the photograph of Erdogan walking down the stairs amid a colorful exposition of military regalia from the former Ottoman Empire? I see a megalomaniac in a suit and tie.

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    • mikeyboo says:

      And someone never to be trusted! What a ghastly mistake that Turkey was ever admitted to NATO.

      Liked by 14 people

      • bessie2003 says:

        This move by President Trump may be the perfect move for the other members of NATO to also come to that conclusion. Give him (Erdogen) enough rope and the other nations that make up NATO have to finally make a hard decision, since the U.S. is no longer going to be their fall guy.

        Our President is not only a very stable genius, but also a very strategic genius. From President Trump’s initial letting the world know he was pulling our troops out he indicated that what Turkey is doing they had already made up their mind to do it whether our troops were there or not.

        Am so very glad that President Trump made this move.

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      • litenmaus says:

        Totally agree mikey…..the idea that our government officials have allowed & trusted Turkey to assemble our American fighter jets and house our nuclear arsenals sends me into orbit. Sheer stupidity or malice.

        My hope is that perhaps PDJT will use Turkey’s behavior as a driving force to begin the dissolution of NATO.

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        • Susan Bolle says:

          Erdogan has already threatened to send millions of refugees into Europe if he is thwarted. Thinking that it will happen eventually regardless of whether or not there is opposition since he is funding all the moqu es that are being built in Europe.

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      • thedoc00 says:

        You cannot judge the admission of Turkey, 60 years ago. In fact such a statement shows a major lack of geo-historical perspective. These kinds of statements show a massive amount of shortsighted application of a current standard to judge times past. No argument that Turkey’s membership in NATO needs to be re-evaluated but be careful how you level uneducated comments as this one.

        Just for starters:
        At the time the Turkish Army contributed more troops to the Korean Conflict than any other Nation, except for the UK.

        At the time the only INTEL gathering posts available to “see” into the USSR were in Turkey.

        At the time, the only nation willing to host Nuclear tipped missiles that would reach the heartland of the USSR was Turkey, until the US was able to field dependable ICBM’s and SSBN’s.

        The EEU, now the EU, contributed to the downfall of the secular powers within Turkey by consistently refusing their entry application into the EEU thanks to Communist Greek objections and money as well as petty reasons that would have precluded all the other EEU members from joining if applied.

        Up to the election of Erdogan, Turkey was the next best friend the US had in the region next to Israel (who was also on very friendly terms with Turkey).

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        • thedoc00 says:

          Don’t even consider throwing out the Armenian Genocide issue.

          Just for starters, Nazis Germany eliminated over 6 million people. A large portion of those eliminated were willingly surrendered to the Nazis by all the EU members. Granted Germany is still self flagellating but not a single EU member (aside from Germany has apologized).

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          • ann says:

            Yes, docoo,
            Americans post war had no appetite to educate or examine the dark ethnic deeds done by European peoples during & extending into the post war. era.

            One could argue the only reason Western Europe did not resume their endless wars between their neighbors is either imposing the EU & Marshall Plan or the infighting between marxists, socialists and centrist democrats .

            Ethnic cleansing is NOT an anomaly,

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            • bah says:

              US has just ONE Border with an enemy, it is mexico. And your gigantic powerful country is nearly collapsing because of this.

              Endless wars in europe where to the fact that we have Russia, Mongolia, Asia minor and Africa around us.

              And every culture needed land to produce enought food for their people.

              It is easy to maintain a big country if you are surrounded by oceans and a patt between GB and US. And using all of the accomplishes europe fought for and invented.

              Endless wars are natural, and the US are learning this right now.

              Bah

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              • ann says:

                Bah,
                Endless wars, yes, my father explained that too!
                The way of human nature.
                Fresh thoughts you give me to process.

                Re Europe I don’t intend to be judgmental, sound all hi & mighty.
                If I was, apologies.

                Thanks Bah. 🌺

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              • ann says:

                PS. BAH,
                I don’t think of my country, US, as huge & powerful.
                never served , but read lots of military history to try to understand.

                This skew bled into my comments, I think. .

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          • PinotNoir says:

            Seventy five years ago. Get over it. Lots of genocides in history. An apology means nothing. If you don’t think genocide could happen in any modern country under similar circumstances you are not paying attention.

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            • thedoc00 says:

              You missed the point of the comment. The EEU, no w EU, was using all sorts of excuses to denigrate Turkey and the Armenian Genocide has been item 1 on the list for them and allot of other historical illiterates.

              The point being, the EU members have more than enough dirt in their histories to hav precluded their membership, let along Turkey’s.

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          • Susan Bolle says:

            Turks invaded Hungary, Austria and other Eastern European nations at one time before being driven out militarily by a multi-nation force.

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          • My elderly Armenian neighbor, whose father and uncle were the sole surviving members of their family (and young teenagers at that!) of the Turkish massacre of Armenians in the early years of the last century, would disagree with and passionately argue against your point.

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        • bruzedorange says:

          To add another then-and-now parallel to your well made points, thedoc00, Pakistan held similar importance during the early Cold War, hosting a vital U-2 base among other things.

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        • You were going well until you blamed the fall of secular turkey upon the EU and “Commie” Greece refusing to let Turkey into the EU. The sequence of events and the underlying analysis of Turkey is wrong. The reality is, Turkey was never ready to enter Europe. It’s a Moslem, non European country, with a long anti-Christian, and anti-European history. Despite its shared indo-European attributes with other European nations, it remains in essence an invading and conquering foreign nation upon the ruins of an earlier Christian European nation. Short of full scale religous and cultural conversion, Turkey could never and should never be part of the EU. Thank the Lord Jorge Bush’s mad dream of joining Turkey to the EU failed.

          First, Turkey has never been fully secular. The regime, yes, was at one time secular. But the majority of the population remained Moslem at heart. Second, Turkey’s secular regime was slowly dissolving under the increasing Islamic infiltration of the regime and growing rebirth of Moslem beliefs among the populace. The EU refused entry of Turkey into its ranks because it understood this key difference: Secular Christian Europe could never integrate with a Secular Moslem Turkey. Third, the refusal of the Bush Administration and the American government to activate what remained of its Deep State allies inside Turkey to overthrow ensured the collapse of secular forces amd victory of Islamic forces in Turkey.

          In short, foolish, shallow, short sighted leadership by the US ended up resulting in the Turkish government falling to Islamic forces. Thank God, D’Estaing and others succeeded in thwarting Turkey’s entry into EU. Had Bush’s dream succeeded, millions more of Moslem refugees would be wandering around Europe, more Islamic terrorism would be occurring, and war and conflict would be happening from the Atlantic to the Euphrates.

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      • Dave Radetsky says:

        If the politicians understood the Bible they would never have allowed Turkey into NATO. It’s clear that Turkey should not be seen as an ally.

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      • Elric VIII says:

        Note: The EU will not allow them to join. So, they are allied with the EU militarily, but not financially. That’s a recipe for mischief.

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      • Trevieze says:

        It’s odd, but the people I know in Turkey revere Erdogan. Just like the Germans in 1917.

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    • Juvenal says:

      I see a wannabe Turkish sultan who is actually more like Benito Mussolini.

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    • boogywstew says:

      It’s almost as if the Ottoman Empire was destined to be under the World’s feet?

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    • The Third Man says:

      A $600,000,000.00 palace constructed especially for yet another moslem Tamerlane. 2,000,000,000 Moslems worldwide. They’re everywhere including our US Congress. They took over our White House for 8 years. They infiltrated our CIA, installed a corrupt Moslem boss who presided over dozens of “intelligence” fails, which, in hindsight, were likely intentional. Erdogan hates America as do Tlaib, Omar, Obama, Brennan, Sarsour, Khan… No good will come of worldwide Islamia.🐪

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  2. Perot Conservative says:

    I agree, generally, with getting out of the Middle East. But the optics of this don’t look good.

    A military guest on the Journal Editorial Report says we should have maintained a safe zone and enforce a no fly zone.

    Solution: where are the punishing economic sanctions?

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    • Perot Conservative says:

      The guest was General Keane.

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    • icanhasbailout says:

      It is immoral to ask someone to put their life on the line for optics.

      If you’ve ever played a game of Diplomacy, and understand the general faction layout in the Middle East, you know this will resolve itself in short order as former enemies become allies once again in order to limit the reach of Turkey. Already we are seeing the Syrian government align with the Kurds, which they should, given that they are all citizens of Syria and the government has a responsibility to protect them.

      This will be a good case study. The US gets out of the way, existing tensions resolve themselves, new stable alignments are formed and we don’t have to be there to maintain them.

      These aren’t our fights and never were. Our real enemies are in the civil service.

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    • People say what it suits them to say. That doesn’t mean we don’t examine the inconsistencies or the implications of their comments. America is not the world’s policemen and we do not owe the world a tithe of young lives.
      The optics look fine to me. The Kurds are not our allies in a traditional or moral sense. They fought as mercenaries. Where is the bilateral treaty? There is no endpoint to their conflict and we are not going to solve a hundred year conflict by placing our soldiers like a finger in the dike.
      President Trump is stepping back and clarifying the situation. We can use economic pressure not American lives and that is what we should be doing. How many places in the world have conflict that America could help with? We would only sacrifice lives & resources interposing ourselves in every conflict even when the slaughter of innocents is horrific. Just think about Africa.

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      • You make a very good point growltigger.

        There are almost too many world conflicts to count.

        A short while ago the people of Venezuela who are trying to over throw their vicious dictator were begging for us to send in our military to help them.

        The protesters in Hong Kong were also crying out for the US to help them.

        Many of us here saw the signs written in English begging for help and displayed right out in front of the people who are all engaging in very worthwhile endeavors.

        But not a cause that our country needs to become involved in especially when we are sending our young men and women home in caskets or with life altering wounds.

        Now it is the Kurds.

        And there will be others, many others because that is what goes on in the world, especially the middle east.

        Wisely our President has said no every single time.

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        • Sherri Young says:

          What you see in Venezuela is what happens after the citizenry is disarmed.

          One of the very best signs that Trump is not a dictator is that he honors the 2nd Amendment.

          The Dimms are gun grabbers. So were the Nazis.

          Prepare to vote accordingly.

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          • The Nazi’s were gun grabbers and the Democrats are gun grabbers and the citizens of Hong Kong ( no guns) do not have much of a chance either.

            Pretty much all they have left is to cry out helplessly for a foreign country, the United States, to come in and help them.

            A sad situation but nothing we can do.

            The whole wide world is full of sad and very violent situations.

            As you say Sherrie Young, prepare to vote accordingly.

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    • Susan Bolle says:

      Erdogan has already said that any retaliation will result in millions of refugees allowed to leave Turkey and enter EU.

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  3. JackB says:

    It is good that Trump has ordered the withdrawal of US troops from Syria. The question is if the military will follow the order?

    The best thing for the Syrian Kurds would be to make a deal with Assad and get the battle hardy Syrian Army to protect them from Erdogan’s Turkish army and the Erdogan supported radical Islamist jihadists.

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  4. Old Dawg says:

    I see a man who doesn’t realize that his alligator mouth easily overloads his canary a$$ and he is clueless to that fact.

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    • frances says:

      Cizire News (a pro-YPG agency) is reporting that the Russians have declared a No Fly Zone over Manbij and Kobani. They have also published a map showing SAA control in the next 48 hours of a wide corridor up to Kobani and the SAA-controlled zone in Qaimiscli has grown in size back to what it was before the US pushed the SDF to reduce it. If they have then this is the time to close the border. This is looking increasingly like there was some pre-planning between the relevant parties – Syria, Russia, Turkey and the United States as well as the Kurds.

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    • Kristin DeBacco says:

      Wallace has 4 kids with his first wife and two stepchildren with his second wife.

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    • Kristin DeBacco says:

      From Wiki for what it is worth:
      On October 11, 2006, The Washington Post reported that Wallace had been a registered Democrat for more than two decades. Wallace explained his party affiliation as pragmatism, saying that being a Democrat is the only feasible means of participating in the political process in heavily Democratic Washington, DC. He maintained that he had voted for candidates from both major parties in the past.

      see, he is a pragmatist. But not in the last three years I would proffer.

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      • GB Bari says:

        Being a “pragmatist” in DC is tantamount to admitting he has no internal scruples or “guidance system” that indicates absolute right or wrong. He merely goes with the majority despite the fact that the policies they advocate are dangerously and existentially wrong (as they are now and have been for several decades) for America and its Constitution.

        Personally, I think Wallace is FOS. from what I’ve seen of and heard from him over the years, IMO he is a hard Left-winger to the core and always has been.

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      • icanhasbailout says:

        He’s been a pragmatist ever since the day Hillary found his FBI file.

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  5. Right to reply says:

    Wallace, is a vile bespectacled creature. I wonder how many shares he has in the war machine?

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  6. clulessgrandpa says:

    Economic warfare is much more destructive than a 50 soldiers. Why doesn’t Wallace send his kids over there?

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  7. Raptor says:

    Wallace seems so sure that by keeping 25-50 US ground forces as a “tripwire” would have stopped 15,000 Turkish troops and their artillery barrage.
    Why didn’t he volunteer to step in as a media “human shield”?

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    • Sherri Young says:

      Is “tripwire” the talking head word of the day?
      ===============
      The “wire” part of that term gave me a memory flash of the stories from WW1 about the infantrymen who fell forward onto wire when shot. Their brothers in arms were able to advance across the wire by stepping on / crawling on their bodies.

      No tripwires, please.

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  8. Jim in TN says:

    Why, it looks like those popular uprisings were strategically orchestrated.

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  9. The Boss says:

    My first impression of Sec. Esper after watching this video is rather favorable.

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  10. trapper says:

    I’m sorry, but I cannot listen to the whole thing. Wallace is just insufferable. However, it still comes down to some very simple propositions:

    The US went into Syria to defeat ISIS.
    ISIS was defeated.
    The Kurds have been running an insurgency against Turkey for centuries.
    The US cannot take the side of the Kurds against a NATO ally.

    We’re done there. Take all US military out of Syria as quickly as possible.
    Oh, and if the Turks decide to start their own war against Syria and Russia, which it appears to be their intention, they should not look to article 5 of the NATO treaty to save them when the Russians womp on them. They’re on their own.

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  11. mallardcove says:

    Let the middle eastern countries fight their own wars. This includes israel. Not our problem.

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    • boogywstew says:

      God will Bless the United States when we protect Israel.

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      • mallardcove says:

        Israel can fight its own wars. They have the money and resources. I am tired of getting involved in Israel’s matters. As a Christian myself I owe nothing to Israel at all. The Old Testament no longer applies. Why should I care about a country whose inhabitants reject Jesus?

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        • boogywstew says:

          “As a Christian myself I owe nothing to Israel at all.” (Shamefully ignorant statement.)

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        • Sherri Young says:

          Jesus did NOT say the Old Testament no longer applies.

          That may be doctrine in some Christian denominations, but it is not scriptural.

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        • Amy2 says:

          The Old Testament Law no longer applies to us as Christian (that was applied to Jesus on our behalf, and we are crucified;( dead people can’t break the law) however the promises of God, whether new or old testaments still apply.

          I don’t know if the boundaries MEN have drawn for Israel’s borders or the time frame are God’s plan, but what I do know is them recognizing the God of Israel as THE ONE TRUE GOD is one step away from them believing on His son, who is also God, and we should ALL care about that.

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        • Despicable Me says:

          Mallardcove – I don’t have time for a complete response to your comment, but “as a Christian” please prayerfully consider the following:

          “As a Christian, I owe nothing to Israel at all.”
          “The OT no longer applies.”

          Genesis 12:1 – Now the Lord said to Abram (later renamed Abraham by G-d), “Go forth from your country and from your relatives and your father’s house to the land I will show you.

          Genesis 12:3 – I (Yehovah) will bless those who bless you (Abraham/Israel); and the one who curses you I will curse. And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed. The last part of that verse is generally understood to refer to the promise of Messiah to both Jews and non-Jews (the nations).

          Genesis 12:5 – paraphrase – Abram, his wife Sarai (later renamed Sarah by G-d) and his nephew Lot set out and came into the land of Canaan.

          Genesis 12:7 – The Lord appeared to Abram and said, “To your descendants (the Jews…sons of Judah, son of Israel, son of Isaac, son of Abraham) I will give this land.”

          Genesis 17, 2 Samuel 23, 1 Chronicles 6, Psalm 105, Isaiah 55 and 61, Jeremiah 32 & 50, Ezekiel 16 and 37 all speak of G-d’s everlasting covenant with Israel. Just because Israel has broken Covenant with G-d doesn’t mean that G-d has broken His covenant with them. The covenant is always referred to as G-d’s covenant with Israel and not as Israel’s covenant with G-d. G-d asserts ownership of the covenant.

          In Luke 1, Zacharias (a priest and father of John the Baptist) prophesied over the birth of his son in a blessing to G-d that He would show mercy to our fathers, remember HIS holy covenant (the oath He had sworn to our (the Jews) father, Abraham).

          John 4:22 – Jesus (who was born, lived, died and resurrected in Israel as a Jew and will one day return and stand on the Mt Olives in Jerusalem) told the Samaritan woman at the well that “…salvation is from the Jews.”

          Psalm 122:6 commands that we pray for the peace of Jerusalem. Because of POTUS, Jerusalem is now recognized by the US as the capital of Israel.

          Matthew 2:6 – OT reference to Israel as “My (G-d’s) people.”

          Luke 1:16 – He (Yeshua or Jesus) will turn many of the sons of Israel back to the Lord their G-d.”

          Luke 2 – Simeon prophesies over the infant Jesus in the temple in Jerusalem that He (Jesus) will be “A light of revelation to the gentiles and the glory of Your people Israel.”

          The covenant G-d established with Israel in the OT is perpetual and G-d has not cut them off just because they have broken covenant with him (Romans 11)

          “Why should I care about a country whose inhabitants reject Jesus.”

          Not all inhabitants of Israel reject Jesus. According to Jews For Jesus, an estimated 20,000-30,000 messianic Jews reside in Israel. Based on Israel’s 2018 population that would equate to about .3% of the population.

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      • mallardcove says:

        They have enough money and resources to defend themselves without having to get involved.

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      • If Israel is still God’s chosen people, He will protect them against Assyria/Babylon 2.0.

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        • boogywstew says:

          We are “that” protection.

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          • Contrarymary says:

            Don’t think so, boogey. Forever, the world has been saying America has saved Israel. They say if it weren’t for the United States, Israel would be gone. GOD has his plan for Israel and when HE steps in to save Israel, the whole world will see that Israel’s heart has turned back to GOD and HE alone has saved HIS land.

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    • jrapdx says:

      When has Israel not fought its own wars? When has the US sent troops to fight for Israel? Answer to both questions: NEVER.

      Sure, the US has provided some arms to Israel, but it’s a two-way street. Israel has participated, put its own resources, into assisting US weapon systems development.

      In any case Israel hasn’t asked the US to assign military personnel for its benefit. In fact Israel has done a remarkably effective job defending itself, by itself, against numerous enemies in the region.

      Military defense of Israel has never involved the US, therefore I have no idea what you’re talking about.

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  12. Darrell Michael Richardson says:

    President Trump is exposing the mess that Obama created. I suspect Turkey’s days in NATO are now numbered as this moves forward. Several other highlights POTUS has helped move forward….the weakness of our other allies,the ineptness of NATO and UN,the treason comitted by Obama and his islamic partners,and the importance of the decisions President Trump made in making us energy independent and being able to allow Russia,China,Iran,and Turkey pick up the tab from the mess Obama created. Well done all around.

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    • The Boss says:

      I like where you’re going with your comment. I too see a lot of compounding benefits among the paradigm shifts that President Trump is force-feeding the world’s globalist pigs.

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    • “President Trump is exposing the mess that Obama [intentionally] created.” Everything Zero did was anti-American.

      Totally agree on everything else!

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    • mopar2016 says:

      NATO was created to protect Europe, it wasn’t created to protect the cult of islam.
      European countries are looking more and more like islam these days.
      Turkey doesn’t belong in NATO and I’m not sure if European countries do either.

      European countries don’t want to pay their fair share, and they haven’t for a long time.
      Revamp NATO or scrap the whole thing.

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  13. Sweet Old Bob says:

    Espers defense is about as good as the KC Chiefs’ …….

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    • Kristin DeBacco says:

      Esper has no conviction.

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      • ann says:

        Wallace uses preframed positional statements which are not fact based reality outside of the Beltway FP Bubble .
        Repetitively pounds on guests with patent untruthful assertions, demanding his Victim & viewers conform to truths as shaped for the political credibility of DC Establishment Creepdom..
        Hard to communicate, much less have objective respectful reciprocal discourse with entities girded in self righteous indignation.,

        Wallace sees outsiders as unruly schoolboys to crush for daring to mislead the Elite Guard’s ignorant subjects

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    • GB Bari says:

      Disagree. While KC is rebuilding their defense, Esper is officially new to the SecDef position but sufficiently experienced to have excellent situational awareness.

      SecDef Esper did as well as anyone could under the circumstances. He is literally announcing US strategy in anything he says on this or any network cable news program.
      So he cannot say much, especially to a jackazz like Wallace who repeatedly pressed SecDef Esper for strategy details. I think the new SecDef came out of the gate and walked through Wallace’s “gotcha” mine field pretty well.

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  14. labrat says:

    Notice how Trump is “allowing the slaughter of our bosom buddies”? Weasel Wallace turns my stomach.

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  15. montanamel says:

    Look…. We have, or our ancestors have, had to kick the muzzie’s out of Europe before… Same issue in WW-II, they all got a fair share of the azz kicking being passed out… So, we’ll have to do it again!

    But, thanks to Obamma, we’ll have to reverse the flow he set up to the tune of maybe 250,000 or so “back to their shores” from ours….the other half, we’ll bury here with pig guts and blood face down…or, how ever the dozer pushes them in the big hole!

    With them and their book…..there is no way to co-exist with our book or our civilization….they are incompatible, incorrigible, and unconvertible to being civil. The end.

    We beat them now, or we bet them later….but, we beat them in the end. After that attack up in Minn after the rally, I’d think there’d be fewer of them using up air today!… /sic/

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  16. Beverly says:

    This is one of those situations where all the options are lousy. It’s true that we don’t have any clear American aim in staying there. I have read about the Kurds and their PR was always that they were so much on our side but we heard that same story about the mujahideen in Afghanistan and look how that turned out. The bottom line is that they are all Muslims and they are all fighting each other constantly and the best solution is to quarantine the entire region and ship those who got out and started establishing beachheads in our countries back to that region.

    No one has the guts to do the second half but at least we can quarantine the region. I hope.

    Trump is just sick and tired of Americans being the world’s janissaries.

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  17. Neither the Insane Left (the Dem party following Obama/Soetoro) nor expansionist Islam (a.k.a. Islam) is amenable to dispassionate consideration of reality(ies). They are both “building” on a foundation of lies.

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    • Chimpy says:

      What does this have anything to do with this thread?

      Additionally, why should I click on that link and read the article? Is there a specific reason why you posted it here?

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      • wondering999 says:

        Upthread there was mention of Venezuela and Hong Kong.

        Ecuador is in our hemisphere so issues in Ecuador/Colombia ought to take some priority over the Middle East battles… this was the first place I read about unrest, and military intervention in Ecuador. The article says that Moreno’s new government “has pointed to attacks on the comptroller’s office, where documents related to a probe into the misuse of funds under Correa are stored…Correa…has called Moreno a sellout for turning to the right after being elected on a leftist platform”

        usual story of leftist government siphoning funds and provoking civil unrest for cover. Probably the post should have been in the general politics thread… but thanks anyway MarkW. Sounds like something the Treehouse might want to be aware of

        https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ecuador-protests-idUSKBN1WS0ND

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  18. Devil in the Blue Drapes says:

    Wallace: “I’m not sure I understand…”.

    That’s the first, albeit unintentional, honest comment from Chris Wallace.

    Wallace is further proof that anchors are nothing more than actors reading from their scripts.

    First he posits 50 troops were sufficient in “holding the line” between Turkey advancing on Syria. In the next breathe he suggests had we left them “policing” the area, there’s no way Turkey would advance.

    But hey Chris….it’s not your son over there, so let’s play Russian roulette and see what happens.

    I wish just ONE mouthpiece for the MIC would explain from which US state do the Kurds hail?

    Besides allowing the narrative “the Kurds fought and died along side US forces….” to go unchallenged, the counter FACT should be interjected, “US forces armed, trained and fought along side of the Kurds”.

    Let’s not get it twisted. The Kurds have long standing tribal issues w/Turkey AND Iraq. We’ve provided support in many forms for decades against both T/I.

    But this is the US military, not the Kurdish military. At some point BOTH sides (US & Kurds) need to accept that.

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  19. Lady in Red says:

    Just saw cryin’ Chuck Schumer walking through a street fair on the Upper West Side of Manhattan. Weird. He was definitely “working” as he was in a suit. Surrounded by fawning commies and he just kept repeating “we need to get rid of him” and something about Romney being the only respectable Republican followed up by he’s Mormon. He may have said it’s because he’s a Mormon. He sure looks and walks like he’s alot older than PDJT.

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  20. Loren says:

    Sorry CTH, but I will not watch Wallace! The man is insane.

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  21. ChampagneReady says:

    Wallace should be the next one out the door right behind Smith. He’s Fox’ version of Tapper.

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  22. One thing nobody talks about is that ever since PDJT’s trip to Saudi Arabia the GCC (Gulf Cooperation Council) has been doing most of the ground fighting in Syria.

    Turkye (i.e., Erdogan) sent out propaganda blaming Saudi Arabia for Kashoggi assuming room temperature. This was an attempt to weaken the SA/US alliance and subsequently the GCC involvement in Syria and the rest of the middle east.

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    • mikeyboo says:

      Adnan Khashoggi was a Muslim Brotherhood operative. No tears here.

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    • wondering999 says:

      Friend of a friend of a friend (someone who had worked for a long time in Saudi Arabia before retiring) offered an opinion that Khashoggi would have had many enemies in SA because of his reporting about the oil industry there, that caused powerful people to lose a LOT of money.

      This person did not think that Khashoggi’s murder was necessarily done on government orders. Me, I’d have no idea one way or the other, I know even less than Hunter Biden about energy businesses — but it was interesting information to consider.

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      • I have no Idea who was behind Khasoggi’s murder. What I do know is propaganda was spread by Turkiye to damage SA/US relations. Totally agree that the corrupt deep state in SA (Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal and minions) were in collusion with US deep state and oil.

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  23. @ChicagoBri says:

    All of the genius beltway denizens opining on what the USA must do – let them run for office on a platform of risking US lives for essentially nothing. As I’ve posted before, I’m all for a Kurdistan being birthed in the mideast – but they need to fight for their own freedom. The US government has spent us into bankruptcy, can’t protect it’s own border, and is beginning to lack constitutional legitimacy with legislative abandonment of our founding principles. In other work, Chris Wallace can pound sand.

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    • ann says:

      A harbinger of the arrogant blundering of our ME meddling ,
      With yet another euphemism of “ winning the peace “

      There is little peace in the Middle East. Not their heritage or way of life.
      Certainly not imposed by the West’s sticky fingered politicos nor troops.
      All the Neocon, Liberal FP establishment created was an immense destabilization, sectarian extremism , confessional butchery,

      depopulated zones , power vacuums and clan/ethnic/tribe reiest movements.

      Washington DC is wrapped in denial,of reality and ready to shovel our troops and treasure in to save their worthless faces. Nope.

      Bremner et al refused to consider zones, instead the US EU policy is to continue to impose a graft , a democratic nation model incompatible, indeed which dis empowers the peoples, their cultures , history and worldviews.

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    • margaretliberty says:

      I’m not sure that we should even be involved when the slaughter of innocents is going on unless we can bomb the guilty without killing the innocent and without the slaughter of our own troops.

      We are 23 Trillion in debt with unfunded liabilities, have huge problems at home. We are no longer the rich, fat country that can spend billions on other nations. They have full adults in all of those countries; let them solve their own problems or suffer the consequences of failure.

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    • NC Patriot says:

      Or let the war mongers in Congress declare war against a NATO ally! VSG is calling their bluff.

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  24. arze says:

    Rep. Ilhan Omar and Jackass Chris Wallace are on the same page, and it is not America First.

    Neither of them care about international law — that forbids another nation invading it.

    Congressman Omar advocated the destruction of Syria by Sunnite forces, which allied with the Kurds, that destroyed Christians and their homes and villages — to dismember that country.

    This duo is saying the Kurds — whom nobody put a gun to their head to occupy large swaths of Syrian territory that did not belong to them — that Kurds are more important than Turkey.

    Turkey, good or bad, is a member of NATO.

    And Syria, good or bad, is responsible for the people of that nation, not the Kurds, and certainly not the United States of America. As Pres. Trump says: that is for them to figure out, and for the US to get out and let them.

    As the US Sec. of Defense told the Jackass during this interview:
    “We are not going to war with Turkey, a long standing ally.”
    “That is not what we signed up for”

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  25. Mikgen says:

    An IMHO good piece on the US and the Kurds by Caroline Glick. She raises number of good reasons why the US will not and should not start a war with Turkey in favour of the Kurds.

    One may argue with the last part of her article where she does seem to forget that the long-term US policy of protecting the Saudi oil wells and the passage through the Hormuz straight was to maintain an important national interest with regards to energy imports. Given that the US now is self-sufficient with regards to energy production that interest may not be so important any longer.

    Trump did not betray the Kurds
    https://www.israelhayom.com/opinions/trump-did-not-betray-the-

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  26. mr. deacon says:

    Assad’s-Syria and the Kurds sitting on their real estate backed by U.S. forces. Russian backed Turkey and Iran want them out of the way so they can get a pipeline through there that is not controlled by Assad and so they send in ISIS. Obama screws around scratching his butt and picking his nose getting him and his BFF’s rich off bribes, kickbacks, payoffs, contracts, and to get a gazillion refugees out of Muslim Brotherhood Land into EU countries and U.S. so they can influence elections. Trump enters the picture. Shuts off Iran, Turkey, Russia, Muslim Brotherhood, Soros, and Obama and goes with the U.S./Israeli plan for pipelines to an independent Europe. Trump abandoned the Suez Canal, the Middle East, and the Persian Gulf. No sense hanging out with the dry cows. Tankers can cross the Atlantic, the Mediterranean, the Pacific, and anywhere else better than the close in Persian Gulf.

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  27. Raquel says:

    I have told my children for about ten years to keep their eyes on Turkey. It is key to the battle of Armageddon taking place. It may be years off, but a set up in Turkey has to take place. According to Ezekial 36, an army from the area of Russia, Serbia , Bosnia tries to invade Israel. In order to get there, they have to pass through Turkey.
    Also, all the letters calling churches to repentance that are recorded in the beginning of the book of Revelations, are written to churches in Turkey. This fact has to be significant.
    I see activity with Turkey as something of significance in end time prophecy. I remember Pat Robertson of the 700 Club talking about this many years ago. I have to admit that I am not an expert in this area, nor am I an ardent follower of the topic of end times prophecy. But this activity has captured my attention.

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    • donna kovacevic says:

      Correction Serbia does not have an army anymore thanks to Nato and bombing the hell out of it, therefore Serbia and Bosnia will not be part of them.

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  28. thedoc00 says:

    Missing from the discussion:
    1. President Trump has been publicly calling for a withdrawal from Syria and Afghanistan for the past year, after giving the DoD 1+ years to clean up the mess to justify any presence.
    2. The President has been pointedly telling the Kurds to align with Assad and Iraqi government.

    One would have to be totally deaf and dumb to ignore the warnings and clear signal that the US will not help form (or reform) Kurdistan.

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    • JoeMeek says:

      Additionally, why didn’t the Kurds just get out of the way? Why didn’t they just “strategically redeploy” to around 20-30 or so miles from the Turkish border? “Live to fight another day” / “discretion is the better part of valor ? They have vehicles and on could walk 20-30 miles in a day or so. If they are suicidal, that’s not our fault.

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  29. Kristin DeBacco says:

    YES Chris, YES, we are getting out of the ME, getting out of endless wars. You have an objection?? If so, put your warboots on and at the same time give your 4 kids some boots and go off to war. Go protect the border on Turkey. We’ll protect ours here in the USA.

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  30. zorg2 says:

    There will be a Kurdish bloodbath
    It will be our fault
    this is the stupidest decision that Trump could’ve made
    and I think the excuses being made for it very weak
    not impressed!

    And conservatives are clapping like seals!

    Has anybody noticed that we’re sending 2000 troops to Saudi Arabia, probably because Jared Kushner is pals with the Saudis?

    And conservatives complain about Biden and nepotism!
    .

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    • donna kovacevic says:

      zorg2 perhaps you and your friends along with anyone that thinks PDJT made a mistake take up arms and go and fight along with the Kurds. All these creeps sitting in their chairs and commenting on what should be done, need to lead by example. PDJT made the right choice and bring home the troops. God Bless PDJT.

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    • jrapdx says:

      And yet another one. Sure, as usual, it’s all Kushner’s fault. We all know President Trump is as dumb as a stump, just blindly following advice of the terrible people he’s surrounded himself with.

      Where have we heard this “narrative” before? Ah yes, the TROLCONs strike again.

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    • boogywstew says:

      So, General Zorg, when will you be leading the attack on Turkey? I see a fragging in your future.

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    • Amy2 says:

      Well get your enlistment papers filled out, or your child’s if you can convince him.

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    • JoeMeek says:

      If the Kurds are to stupid to get out of the way, that’s not Trump’s fault. All they had to do was move 20 or 30 miles. They could walk that far in a day and they have vehicles..

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  31. Brian L says:

    Chris Wallace DESPERATELY wants a war with Turkey.

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    • GB Bari says:

      Probably not.

      His multinational corporate bo$$e$ want the endless war$.

      Chris is merely reading the script as he is ordered to do. As a bonus, he gets to criticize President Trump in the process. THAT, I am certain, he thoroughly enjoys.

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  32. no-nonsense-nsncy says:

    I seldom ever read Yahoo aka ABC news but they have a headline right now that says that Sec Espen is breaking with the WH and going to cooperate with congress. I’m sure it is more fake news.

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  33. Darren says:

    Never forget that Antifa has been fighting with the Kurds their communist brothers. I say anyone Antifa sides with is not our friends.

    Turkey on the other hand is strategically important. We should avoid pushing them towards the Russia-China block if possible. No good will come from pushing them away from the west. Don’t let domestic politics blind you to long term strategic thinking.

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  34. Sherri Young says:

    On the Presidential thread a couple of weeks ago, I posted a video of an interview with a former Navy SEAL. During that interview, he spoke about the time when he was having to make his decision about renewing his contract to the 10-year mark and was being highly encouraged to do so. He agonized over leaving his team. Finally, he asked his commanding officer to tell him exactly why he and his team were supposed to hope to accomplish by fighting how they were fighting and where they were fighting. What was the goal?

    He was told that the answer was complex and was given a mishmash of goals and reasons, but no clear goal with a measurable outcome that would trigger leaving.

    He left the military.

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  35. Jimmy says:

    Hmm. I like the cut of Esper’s jib.

    Liked by 1 person

  36. Area Man says:

    Our treaty allies and John NoName’s allies our attacking our other allies and our own troops.

    Is that about it?

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  37. CNN_sucks says:

    OMG. Sky is falling under Chris Wallace. Why don’t he send his adult children in Syria and defend that country? Nobody is stopping him.

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  38. Apfelcobbler says:

    When would be the perfect window to leave the ME? Maybe … never.

    We do have proxies aligned, but having small pockets of US troops stationed without the ability to defend themselves was an inherently risky situation. In a sense, our troops had become sitting ducks serving as a trip wire to conflict. No more!

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  39. Somebody's Gramma says:

    I couldn’t listen to Wallace through the whole clip. What does he not understand about American blood and treasure? These endless wars have bled us dry and destroyed American lives!! Our meddling around the world combined with total corruption of our politicians is why we are spit upon. Trump is changing our trajectory. I am 1000000% behind him. May God bless his best efforts. Amen. One other thing, one poster mentioned something to the effect of Trump’s position causing the enemy inside our borders to attack. My thought is Good, let them identify themselves, may all the sleeper cells within our borders be identified and purged. We cannot be so afraid of repercussions that we don’t choose what is right for America. Amen.

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  40. frank field says:

    Is our beloved Trump passively building the obvious case that Turkey does not belong in NATO?

    This me thinks. Little help?

    Trump for Rushmore 🇺🇸😊🙏

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