Gordon Chang on 2019 G20: “The Meeting of All Meetings”….

Author of ‘The Coming Collapse of China’, Gordon Chang, appears on Fox Business to discuss the mounting U.S. trade tensions with China, the fallout from the protests against Carrie Lam in Hong Kong, and the announced visit by Xi to North Korea.

Chang also sees the visit by China’s Chairman Xi Jinping to North Korea as a strategic and purposeful moment for Beijing; an attempt to find footing against the overwhelming economic punishment being delivered by U.S. President Donald Trump.

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104 Responses to Gordon Chang on 2019 G20: “The Meeting of All Meetings”….

  1. PBR says:

    Things are going well.

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    • USTerminator says:

      When China panics then you know you are in a right path. There is story of China technological collapse start with Huawei ban. Semiconductor driving every things technologically and China semi industrial is depending on US and Japan bleeding edge equipments. Sale ban will drive a dagger into China2025 heart. Beijing did not see it coming and now they are hyper panic.

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      • margarite1 says:

        Why are we figuring they are in a panic and not plotting revenge?

        Although…they’ve been screwing their customers and the customers are sick of it so that isn’t a great position for them. They need us more than we need them.

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        • USTerminator says:

          Actually very easy to detect China panic. I’ve been in China on business many times, have many Chinese co-workers. When thing goes well during the Bush and Obama years, Chinese government is generally ignoring the US. They know they are catching up quick and happy to be low profile while they take the West to the cleaner. Sundance calls their panda face. Now they are obsessed with everything Trump, because they know they are losing and nothing they can do about it. Kind of the feeling that they know they already saw their best days and now Trump is just taking away from them. For the first time I saw the helplessness in the Chinese friends I know. That is why they are panic because they are no longer control their own destiny.

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          • whizzbang says:

            I suspect we have a troll here. For a start, English is not his 1st or even 2nd language.
            Treepers, I have lurked here for a very long time, commented very seldom but have observed much.

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            • USTerminator says:

              whizzbang, I am not sure that I even want to reply to your unfounded comment here. First of all, Does anyone need to be speaking English as 1st language to comment here to be not a troll? If you have issue with my comment the speak it out and discuss it why just accuse someone pointlessly. BTW, I am very much American than 3/4 of people live in USA and almost all of people live in DC. Chill out brother!!!!

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      • Pyrthroes says:

        Mao’s 1949 mainland takeover from Chiang Kai-shek’s corrupt and feckless Kuomintang proved the immediate prelude to Stalinist Russia’s instigation of the Korean Conflict (a “police action”, never a declared war; flush with espionage-acquired nukes, Stalin went full monty).

        By our Rule-of-72 time-frame, old-style (meaning essentially non-tech) chronological-demographic patterns comprise two 36-year eras overlapping some three 22-year cohorts (inspiring fathers, overshadowed sons, failed grandsons).

        On this remarkably consistent basis –Soviet Russia persisted 36 years to Stalin’s death in 1954, then another 36 years to USSR deliquesence in 1991’s “Putsch of Fools”– Mao’s Regime is due to meet hubristic Nemesis about end-2021, coinciding with global post-Postwar headwinds early in Trump’s second term. Most times, but not always, these socio-cultural inflection-points end “not with a bang, but a whimper” (T.S. Eliot, 1925).

        Having just received Hsi’s marching orders in Peking over four days last Spring, Kim Jong-un now faces an apparent course-correction. Whether Hsi proves bellicose or conciliatory, who can tell?– but we do know, as ye ole Trump Administration chuckles in its beard, that
        Red Dragon for all its fearsome aspect is dysgenic, rotten-to-the-core.

        Piss-ant U.S. media will no more grant Trump credit for any Hsi concessions than deal with democidal Socialism’s wretched mess in Venezuela, converting that sorry country to a steaming garbage dump. But, hey– glowering press-lords [Jeff-o], TV’s coiffured blondes spouting PCBS inanities, have played only day-care pinochle from Tea Party days on.

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        • 6x47 says:

          “Piss-ant U.S. media” is a perfect descriptor. They are like the howling Yahoos of Jonathan Swift’s “Gulliver’s Travels:” Poop flinging monkeys driven by emotion and bereft of logic, reason, or knowledge.

          They don’t even understand what’s going on, obsessed as they are with their short-sighted navel gazing.

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  2. clulessgrandpa says:

    It truly is sad that none of this is covered by the MSM. This is huge, not just for the US, but the whole world.

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    • grlangworth says:

      But I never get tired of the “Unexpectedly” admissions…

      Liked by 6 people

    • jc says:

      Why it’s almost like the MSM is owned by China. Or just does everything China wants. Every time. But it’s all just a coincidence. Nothing to see here. Move along.

      Liked by 14 people

      • JoAnn Leichliter says:

        They had the same vision problem with the old Soviet Union; everything was hunky-dory–until it wasn’t. And that was just ideological bias. This time a large segment of the “ruling elite” have a huge financial stake. China will be the greatest up and coming economic powerhouse ever known to man–until it isn’t.

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      • Kate says:

        jc, not just the MSM but a great many of our politicians whose names have been exposed by Sundance in various articles written, plus relatives and friends of these people who have business dealings with the Chinese government. As they say the swamp is deep and putrid.

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      • mariner says:

        China is part of the globalist cabal.

        That means the MSM works for China more than for Americans.

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        • TarsTarkas says:

          It’s the other way around. The Empire sees the globalist ‘cabal’ as working for them, albeit unintentionally. They know all about foolish ‘capitalists’ selling them the rope that will be used to hang them’. That rope trick never worked for POTUS 45.

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          • truthseeker39525 says:

            The Lamestreams and the ‘Rats are for the Chicoms what the Bolsheviks used to call ‘Useful Idiots’.
            The only question in my mind is….
            Are the Lamestreams a subsidiary of the ‘Rats, or
            Are the ‘Rats a subsidiary of the Lamestreams?

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    • The_Real Bob W. says:

      Indeed. Thank you Sundance!!!

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    • todayistheday99 says:

      Who cares what the MSM says. They are anti-american globalists that are financially positioned against the US. They might as well have their studios located in Mexico City, Brussels and Beijing.

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    • MaineCoon says:

      CoC has gone silent too. Tom D is in total shock.

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    • clulessgrandpa says:

      China is already colluding with the Dems in the 2020 election. Tariffs on Ag products, hitting Trump country. Notice that Hollywood has not been tariffed.

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    • AdamSelene says:

      They don’t understand it. The people on TV are not dumb, but they are not that smart. They’re people with 115 IQs thinking they understand the moves of people with 150+ IQs. They do not.

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      • nofreelunch says:

        Personally Adam, I don’t think it’s so much IQ as common sense. President Trump has more common sense than all the MSM talking heads combined.

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  3. bocephusrex says:

    The MSM will praise China and trash POTUS—no matter what happens. We know these meatpuppets like the back of our hand–which is what I’d like to deliver to all of them-

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  4. OhNoYouDont says:

    @ 2:04 – Gordon Chang on China “This is an economy that is in severe trouble. They need the US market desperately right now, Neil”

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    • RayC says:

      China is a giant tick. They have been sucking the life blood from our economy for years. President Frontline has finally come to our service.
      The World economy would struggle without our markets. We might slow down, but would survive without theirs.

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    • huecowacko says:

      Chang’s book was written in the early 90s, so, assuming collapse, does his prediction still get credit? Ans: Not unless he foresaw the Trump Presidency.

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  5. TC Comics says:

    Sorry, but why does anyone listen to Gordon Chang any more? He’s been talking about the imminent collapse of China for 3 decades. I lived in Hong Kong and then Beijing during the ’90’s and 00’s and he was omnipresent then talking about the same imminent demise. Meanwhile China was exploding in growth.

    He may be right now, like a stopped clock. There must be some better talking head that Fox can find on China, preferably someone with actual business experience there?

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    • lfhbrave says:

      Gordon Chang is right this time because of Trump.

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    • SwampRatTerrier says:

      Being early doesn’t mean you’re wrong does it?

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    • TarsTarkas says:

      The date of the collapse kept getting repeatedly postponed because of the continued transfusions of wealth and intellectual capitol by willing and short-sighed politicians and businessmen. That’s been cut off. A major part of MAGA was to first get the American economy firing on more cylinders than it had been for a long time, start encouraging manufacturing to come home, then once things were going good, attack the source of the wealth leak and stopper it. This particular strategy couldn’t have worked prior to Trump’s election even had 44 wanted it to (he didn’t of course) because the economy was so weak.

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      • desperatelyseekingmelania says:

        Shame this stance couldn’t have been taken during the booming US economy of the ’90s. But then there’s never been a president more in the Chi-coms pocket than the one who was in the WH at that time. I can forgive US leadership for not getting more aggressive during the harder economic times that came in the next decade. Not as if we were in a position to get tough in 2009.

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    • margarite1 says:

      China didn’t collapse because the rats and the GOPe sold us out.

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    • Petrel says:

      The geriatric – kleptocratic situation of China may be much like that of the Soviet Union from 1960 through 1990. Continual infusions of western cash and grain seemingly postponed the end. But that end happened, despite the infusions, when everyone outside of the privileged “nomenclatura” ceased to believe in Marxism.

      Long before Gorbachev, the KGB was telling the Kremlin that the brightest university students were studying science and everything other than marxist “sociology” and “economics.” The only youth studying these subjects were prepping for careers as communist bureaucrats !

      President Trump and his friends effectively wrote a treatise to free the Chinese economy of geriatric – kleptocratic control. That the Politburo rejected this plan should cause no surprise. But have no doubt, the Trump treatise is available in that so called “closed society” and will gradually erode the Politburo’s legitimacy.

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    • Deb says:

      His predictions would have held up and been proven correct but for the globalist administrations who decided to prop up China by exporting our manufacturing base. Remember when Bush II said we had to transition to a “service economy?” I do, my husband had just graduated from college with an engineering degree and was being told that industry was going to be leaving the US, so he needed to learn to computer programming.

      And then Obama continued the decline by touting it as the “new normal.”

      Having an American First president who uses economic common sense has made all the difference.

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    • L. E. Joiner says:

      I expect Gordon Chang was right all along about the inherent fragility of the Chinese economy, but underestimated how long they could rely on the American globalists to keep them solvent and growing. Just a hunch; I’m no expert, but it’s been pretty clear that, like the old Soviet Union, there were inherent problems with a country that was pouring tons of money into a military buildup without the resources and infrastructure to support it. /LEJ

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  6. rmramerica says:

    The damage realized to China may be irreconcilable at this point. Regardless of what happens now. International business entities will always have to consider/weigh the enormous risks of investing or operating out of China. The costs of at any time the geopolitical situation turning, within months, and their years of investing could be destroyed. Trump may not be unable to stop what has begun. Money and businesses are already realigning their interests. The Chi-Coms are f…ed? They just don’t know it yet.

    The curtain has been pulled back and the fragility of the Chinese economy, the “one belt, one road” gambit is now seen as merely an attempt to camouflage the inherent weaknesses of their economy and the Chinese reliance on others for their economic survival. Xi Jinping has now become politically very vulnerable. A short life-time for a life-time ruler.

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    • Dutchman says:

      The dragon has turned out to be a PAPER dragon huge and fearsome in appearance, until you realise its only artfully painted,…..PAPER!

      CONmunism, remember? Its a CON!

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      • Just spitballing here… I’ve read Xi is a grade school dropout, nearly illiterate, poor public speaker. Now that all may be untrue. But assuming it is true, does China save face by destroying his legacy and changing all stragedy? (I just like typing strategy that way)

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        • Speaking Truth to Groupthink says:

          That description of Xi sounds a lot like Stalin. If history doesn’t repeat, but has a tendency to rhyme, then China could be entering a pretty ugly phase.

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    • noswamp says:

      RMR,
      You are on to something, when Xi threatened multinationals with criminal and civil penalties if they closed shop in China, I think everyone got it.Time to get out, even at a loss!! Even those 600 CEO’s writing to Trump are doing it for show at this point. The only dead enders are those part of the CoC that owe their loyalties more to the globalists than to America.

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    • AdamSelene says:

      That is an excellent point. Pretend you’re a multinational corporation looking for an Asian manufacturing base. China’s steeling your technology and threatening you. Vietnam and India are not. Trump removes all tariffs from China. Do you want to set up shop in Vietnam or India, or China?

      That said, the thing that bothers me about all of this is, yes, I’m all for sticking it to China…but I still want those factories back in the US. How about we keep the tariffs on China, and slap some on everybody else, too?

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  7. Bert Darrell says:

    IMHO, North Korea is currently a worn out bargaining chip. The cat is out of the bag and only PDJT can put it back where it was, if and when Beijing decides to change and play by the rules of fair trade that they have always abused by cheating and corrupting their “partners”..

    Ms. Carrie Lam will be out, as Mr. Chang pointed out, and Mr. Xi will be out as well unless he decides to join the rest of the world rather than trying to own it.

    If, instead, Mr. Xi persist in buying politicians the world over he will quickly find out that the latter become extremely unaffordable when the buyer’s economy is crumbling.

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    • NurseSusy says:

      Part of draining the swamp is cutting off the money flow to the globalist/eGOP/Dem politicians.

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    • Dutchman says:

      Bert,
      IMHO close but no cigar. Norks were always a PHONY ‘bargaining chip’, PDJT just exposed the truth of it, as he does so well.
      There will be NO DEAL. There can be NO DEAL. China can not POSSIBLY agree to PDJT’s terms, with enforcement, and PDJT will agree to nothing less.

      And yeah, as Nurse Susy says below, and you say, and as I have said in a long post, cutting off the $ is the way to drain the swamp.

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  8. ristvan says:

    Nice wrap for non-Treepers.

    Xi has effectively lost on Hong Kong extradition, only a matter of time.
    Xi reneged on the trade deal (in my opinion only because of Politbureau pressure) and china is now paying the consequences. Xi can only come back to the table after Politbureau relents.
    Xi will learn from Kim that Kim cannot hold out much longer against strict sanctions. Yet Xi is not in a position to provide relief: his own food supply is precarious after African Swine Flu and his US farm sanctions. Breaking the US led NoKo sanctions guarantees his US trade situation gets worse fast. So Xi will ‘give up’ NoKo to get PDJT to easy up (no additional 300 billion tariffed). in my opinion why the trip this week announced unusually as suoer important.
    Xi meets with PDJT at G20, maybe loses face. Doesn’t meet with PDJT, hit with more sanctions per PDJT promise. Xi’s call. My guess is they will meet privately, NOT in a formal BiLat. Stupid not to do that muddle thru. PDJT: ‘Why not listen?’ Xi: we gotta talk.

    The CCP Politbureau needs to understand what Xi likely already does. Xi has lived in US. The rest have not.

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    • mj_inOC says:

      How many more Rep. Amish’s are there w Family companies in China?

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    • MVW says:

      “So Xi will ‘give up’ NoKo to get PDJT to easy up (no additional 300 billion tariffed).”

      A good bet that that will be put forward by Xi along with the personal plea to give Xi more time to convince his overseers to reverse course.

      Yet, this is just another delay tactic. Trump will see through this like freshly Windex’d glass. Trump might just, instead, offer only 150 billion immediate addition to the tariffed load for NOKO deal, and no promise what will happen or when to the remaining 150 billion depending on Xi’s real success.

      My opinion of course… 🙂

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      • Ray Runge says:

        Alteration of NoKo’s current nuke status is not worth circumventing the requirements of a reciprocal comprehensive trade deal. IMO, confusing a NoKo solution with a trade deal is, in effect, kicking the can down the road. Too many issues that need to be addressed become a “we will do this later” status.

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      • Dutchman says:

        If Xi does ‘offer’ to ‘give up’ Nork, pressure of sanctions is the only thing that will insure Xi truly ‘honors’ deal.

        And, while ‘freeing’and de-nuclearising Nork is ‘nice’, the whole Nork as nuke threat was all an elaborate illusion, anyway.

        The goal is CHINA, and CCP control. Nork is just a step in that process.
        Why make concessions to you for giving me what I already have?

        “What ELSE ya got, Xi?”

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    • WES says:

      Ristvan: The problem with being a communist dictator is the fear of running out of other people’s money!

      The power struggle in China sort of boils down to the old diehard communists seeing the glass as half full and the more pragmatic communists seeing the glass as half empty!

      Right now their glass is suddenly and unexpectedly draining rapidly before their very eyes!

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      • bessie2003 says:

        Plus there’s always someone behind the scenes waiting for their chance to become the next Emperor for life. Xi’s got it coming at him from all sides. I imagine that our VSG of a President utilizes his decades of deals to find a way for Xi to personally save face while still giving up using NK as China’s hostage/puppet.

        Important days ahead. Prayers continue.

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    • clulessgrandpa says:

      What I love seeing here is how Trump has found the leverage to “motivate” these countries. “Get them by the balls and their hearts and minds will follow.” Classic.And never firing a shot………………so far.

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    • TarsTarkas says:

      I disagree on the extradition law. Lam may be out for failing the Emperor, but the law will be rammed through in the dead of night when no one’s paying attention, and multiple bank accounts will be frozen, perhaps even ahead of time. Xi is very very hungry for cash to placate his restless underlings. I expect the first real test of the Big Brother Social Media score will be in Hongkong because right now that’s the most restive Han possession and needs to be put under his thumb pronto.
      I disagree also about the Politboro being the ones to make the final call on the trade agreement. Xi spent the opening years of his reign terrorizing them. But both of these statements are just my opinion. Yours should carry much further weight than mine due to your greater experience and knowledge.

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      • David A says:

        Perhaps, yet two million protesters can and will bring cash from Hong Kong to a screaming halt. The timing of the protests is very fortunate. The Trump tarrif move on Mexico was also timed well. ( communicating to China, this guy is serious)

        IMV the NK deal has more leverage then P Trump is given credit for, as a peaceful Korea can be an economic boom for many in the region, including China. If Xi can save face as the hero who brought this about, well all I can say is that were I in his shoes, I would jump at a second chance to not see my nation of billions go to hell.

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    • Dutchman says:

      ristvan,
      I respect your greater familiarity with China, etc. My take is Xi NEVER intended to agree to the terms, because PDJT’s terms, with compliance enforcement, are an anathema to CCP rule, no matter who is in charge.

      And, while Xi may be more familiar,with the U.S. than his politoburo, he, like many, totally underestimated PDJT; he thought he could use Panda mask, and like previous leaders PDJT would fall in line.

      Or, crossfire mueller muh Russia ploy would work. Hubris, it’ll get you every time.

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  9. Adam says:

    Are you forecasting the collapse of the Chinese Communist regime? I remember watching on CNN (!) in 1989 as East Germans were allowed to pass through Hungary to Austria. The Hungarians suddenly had no fear of the Soviet army. That was the beginning of the end.

    Of course, the Chinese have vastly more “social control”. They still have fear. That said, when these systems go down, it happens fast.

    BTW, if it happened, Trump would be Reagan, only more so.

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    • SwampRatTerrier says:

      Wait until China’s “Google” gets cut off,
      and
      they lose their Facebook!

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      • noswamp says:

        Swamprat,
        There are local Chinese equivalencies of these already in place. No loss for the Chinese there. But to Google and Facebook of course but they knew the risks and continue to try to appease China. Xi already has place strict controls and censorship on social media. Say the wrong thing and people are at your door to arrest you. He has initiated block watch citizen brigade where on every block of China people are there to watch you. They do nothing but watch and observe and report back to the political police.
        Very Mao’esq.

        He has been tightening the screws for years. Imprisoning local Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, just this year alone, as well as Muslims and Catholics(the underground ones-would you believe this). Of course, Russia does this on a smaller scale as well, mostly with respect to Jehovah’s Witnesses, but Americans don’t know what is going on. Now that the corporations know the real China, I think its time to cash in their chips and head out the doors. No deal will be made at the G20 between Xi and Trump. Hong Kong and the threat by Xi against foreign corporations was the last straw. The China casino is closed.

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    • WES says:

      Adam: Your comment reminds me of Ernest Hemingway’s saying about going broke! First slowly and then all of a sudden!

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  10. SHV says:

    “Yet Xi is not in a position to provide relief: his own food supply is precarious after African Swine Flu ..”
    ******
    The next and biggest(?) shoe to drop on China’s food supply….the extent the damage/disaster should become evident in 2 months when the major corn and grain crops of Northern China are hit.

    “Caterpillar’s devastating march across China spurs hunt for native predator”

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-01867-3

    IMO, if this subject get published in “Nature”, it likely a big deal. Nature is one of/the “premier” international science journal.

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  11. Nagothm says:

    One of the massive Achilles heels that China suffers from is their total lack of innovation. They copy, force the handover of, and out and out steal technological know how. Their footprint in the tech industry currently is massive but with the speed that tech is replaced their footprint will be minuscule in a few years. The president forcing the changing of manufacturing supply lines out of Chinese control will make them nearly obsolete tech wise within half a decade, barring some unforeseen change.

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  12. GB Bari says:

    Something I don’t see addressed in the discussions of China’s impending (or likely or possible) capitulation to President Trumps demands (via the negotiated trade agreement) is the reluctance of the rest of Chinas leadership to go along. With such a large country there has to be a significant amount of cultural and political inertia to overcome in order to change direction even slightly.

    Does the CCP do whatever Xi recommends or is there going to be a power struggle within before any deal can be made with the US or NK. Just curious.

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  13. Kent says:

    …were it not for the wealth exfiltrated by the US Chamber of Commerce to communist china and the technology stolen over at least four decades by the bribers and spies in our universities, corporations and Congress they would have nothing to attack us WITH…if not for the USA they wouldn’t have two grains of rice to rub together…….

    They were offered a hand up and they chose to bite the hand…

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  14. sarasotosfan says:

    I wonder what curses sound like in Xi’s dialect. He may curse in English though.

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  15. Petrel says:

    An obtuse Chinese Politburo of 2019 is in a comparable situation as the nationalists in Japan, Italy and Germany circa 1938. None of these leaders had ever visited, or had any inkling of US economic and industrial capacity — and why should they have had, since this capacity was largely based on American agriculture / mining / drilling, with production largely sold within the US market?

    After WWII, leadership in those countries visited the industrial acres of factory floor in the Mid-west, Texas, California and returned saying “How could we have made such a mistake?”

    Equally the Chinese Politburo, which benefitted from the widespread betrayal by America’s industrialists over 39 years, have no sense that President Trump awakened America’s blue and white collar labor in 2016. Compounding this blindness, the Politburo’s agents of influence — the CoC, Business Roundtable, Koke Brothers et al — and multitudinous purchased think-tanks / journals, eg National Review — while still very wealthy, have lost enormous influence. In fact the reputation of these entities is shattered. Nobody believes that the NR is anything other than a scam, that the writings of “Free Trade” Libertarians are anything other than a smokescreen.

    As a consequence, these shills have become very cautious — claiming that the new Tariffs are a very bad sales tax, when the price of imported goods is falling and will fall yet further as importers substitute Chinese products with that of other countries, including America.

    Perhaps Congressional adoption of the new trade agreement with Mexico and Canada — hopefully this summer — may assist President XI in his sales pitch to the Chinese Politburo that the salad days of 1980 though 2019 are over.

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    • You make an interesting point Petrel about the leaders of Japan, Germany and Italy before WWII misjudging America.

      The Americans that the leaders of these three countries were familiar with back then were mostly college students that they had rubbed shoulders with in their own college days when they came here as foreign students.

      College students who were not exactly ambitious or hard working.

      They had no idea what the “real” America was like.

      I have always wondered myself if the Chinese were making the same mistake and judging America on their limited exposure of their own experience as foreign students and with our own weak and petty elected officials.

      The Chinese are finally going to meet the “real” Americans.

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      • Coldeadhands says:

        The Chinese didn’t realize it but they’ve got their first meeting of “real” Americans in the person of Donald J Trump. They had been led to believe that the Cult of Free Trade was representative of “real” Americans…🤭 whoopsie!

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        • David A says:

          The cult of free trade? The cult of SJW – ” useless idiot” self-hating statists, is, lMV, what they came to see America as. They were happy to take advantage of the 0, and they deeply disrespected him at the same time.

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          • Coldeadhands says:

            SJW is not close to comprehensive enough. Globalist is more like it. Stateless advocates of economics to the exclusion of national interest, including Constitutional in our case.

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    • Dutchman says:

      Should we start thinking of Xi as the Chinese Gorbachav?

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    • GB Bari says:

      It’s kind of tough to imagine the Chinese Politburo being ignorant of US politics, economics, and current trends in both areas, since we and they live in the age of the internet.

      Also given the magnitude of spying by the Chinese, I’m more inclined to believe they know everything, but are as yet unwilling to accept any outcome that doesn’t give China a clear advantage over the U.S.

      PDJT likely knows that all too well, hence his multi-pronged strategy to box them in economically in order to help them reach a different conclusion; one at least acceptable to the U.S.

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    • desperatelyseekingmelania says:

      One miscalculation that it’s very easy for foreign intel assessments to make is to assume that what’s on American MSM is representative of American sentiment. Perhaps only now, too late, they are beginning to learn.

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  16. SHV says:

    China’s manufacturing/supply lines in trouble, China’s Ag sector/food supply potentially in trouble, Hong Kong sticks its finger in Xi’s eye and China’s access to foreign capital via Hong Kong potentially in trouble, etc……

    Has Emperor Xi lost the mandate of Heaven (Tian Ming)?

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    • TarsTarkas says:

      We may see very soon. If he is replaced hopefully that man will be willing to see reason instead of being combative. An rally the flag attack on a neighbor (or a proxy neighbor (S Korea) would be a disaster for the world.

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  17. Michael Hennessy says:

    Poor Neil was hoping Chang would say China is still in the driver’s seat. That was the answer his Chamber of Commerce buddies were looking for.

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  18. OhNoYouDont says:

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  19. Evelyn says:

    Mark Twain said that history doesn’t repeat itself, but it rhymes.

    Isaiah 45 for POTUS 45

    “This is what the Lord says to his anointed,
    to Cyrus, whose right hand I take hold of
    to subdue nations before him
    and to strip kings of their armor,
    to open doors before him
    so that gates will not be shut:
    2
    I will go before you
    and will level the mountains;
    I will break down gates of bronze
    and cut through bars of iron.
    3
    I will give you hidden treasures,
    riches stored in secret places,
    so that you may know that I am the Lord,
    the God of Israel, who summons you by name.
    4
    For the sake of Jacob my servant,
    of Israel my chosen,
    I summon you by name
    and bestow on you a title of honor,
    though you do not acknowledge me.
    5
    I am the Lord, and there is no other;
    apart from me there is no God.
    I will strengthen you,
    though you have not acknowledged me,
    6
    so that from the rising of the sun
    to the place of its setting
    people may know there is none besides me.
    I am the Lord, and there is no other.
    7
    I form the light and create darkness,
    I bring prosperity and create disaster;
    I, the Lord, do all these things.

    8
    “You heavens above, rain down my righteousness;
    let the clouds shower it down.
    Let the earth open wide,
    let salvation spring up,
    let righteousness flourish with it;
    I, the Lord, have created it.

    9
    “Woe to those who quarrel with their Maker,
    those who are nothing but potsherds
    among the potsherds on the ground.
    Does the clay say to the potter,
    ‘What are you making?’
    Does your work say,
    ‘The potter has no hands’?
    10
    Woe to the one who says to a father,
    ‘What have you begotten?’
    or to a mother,
    ‘What have you brought to birth?’

    11
    “This is what the Lord says—
    the Holy One of Israel, and its Maker:
    Concerning things to come,
    do you question me about my children,
    or give me orders about the work of my hands?
    12
    It is I who made the earth
    and created mankind on it.
    My own hands stretched out the heavens;
    I marshaled their starry hosts.
    13
    I will raise up Cyrus in my righteousness:
    I will make all his ways straight.
    He will rebuild my city
    and set my exiles free,
    but not for a price or reward,
    says the Lord Almighty.”

    14 This is what the Lord says:

    “The products of Egypt and the merchandise of Cush,
    and those tall Sabeans—
    they will come over to you
    and will be yours;
    they will trudge behind you,
    coming over to you in chains.
    They will bow down before you
    and plead with you, saying,
    ‘Surely God is with you, and there is no other;
    there is no other god.’”

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  20. Democrats have a network of people led by John Kerry who are working with foreign leaders including the Chinese to subvert Trump.

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    • bessie2003 says:

      My hope is that the Dems keep it up yelling about foreign interference in US law, elections, policy, etc. and so what’s a President Trump to do but to accept what the Dems keep on calling for – and arrest Kerry, Brennan, (one can only hope Obama), for their continuing interference with U.S. foreign policy?

      That will shut the Dems up right quick!

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    • desperatelyseekingmelania says:

      Problem with that is Kerry et al can’t anticipate Trump any better than the Chi-Coms can

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  21. Query says:

    “Face” is everything in China, personal and national and for the Politburo.
    If push turns to shove economically for China, a patriotic war / military action beckons for distraction of the masses. I don’t see how that can end well for China or Xi. Xi presiding over the Great Leap Backwards must keep him awake at nights. President for life might have been a little premature.

    Not to worry Xi, the Don will always leave you a way out, ie. saving face with plausible deniability.

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  22. Esther says:

    Today is a huge news day. More emails that directly implicate members of congress have been dropped. Xi is going to N Korea with very little power of persuasion, his coffers are empty for his own people, his food supply is short for his own people, and Xi is under public international rebuke by Hong Kong and Taiwan for the entire world to see. Kim is not going to choose serfdom to China over freedom and wealth from Trump, because he is looking at the news too, and knows how weak Xi really is right now.
    Xi is mainly putting on a show. By now Xi knows he does not have as much sway as he used to with US Congress as the declass is dropping and exposing his allies/puppets in congress who have their own battles to face at home. It really is an avalanche of information crushing down on the Dems, and people are finding out about it even though the MSM including Fox refuse to cover it.

    Its been a long time coming, but ‘O Lordy Lord”, Its a great time to be alive.

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  23. GSparrow says:

    As sundance wrote in a previous article today, “Caution is the word of the day.”

    It’s possible Xi Jinping (if he’s a madman) will turn bellicose and demand KIm restart his missile and nuclear weapons’ tests, but it is not likely.

    After the embarrassing “temporary” retreat in Hong Kong and the bad world press, a genuine breakthrough in N. Korea’s denuclearization program would re-establish Xi’s rational, peacemaker Panda status to the world rather than the fire breathing irrational Dragon and bully of Hong Kong.

    I hope this is the case.

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  24. Ezgoer says:

    China’s ace in the hole will be Democrats’ massive vote manufacturing fraud to defeat Trump in 2020. Then Dems will reverse all the progress Trump made on trade. Sad but very possible.

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    • desperatelyseekingmelania says:

      Somebody’s paying for this flood of illegals trying to turn Texas blue, which if current trends hold it someday will. Could even be next year, who knows, Cruz didn’t beat Beto by very much.

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      • Speaking Truth to Groupthink says:

        China controls much of Africa. Would Chinese agents be bankrolling & sending Congolese and Angolans from an ebola hotzone on a quick flight into Mexico and on to the US, hoping to create a healthcare crisis/pr nightmare for Trump? These “refugees” are showing up with wads of 100 dollar bills, new clothes, ….not the standard appearance of a refugee.

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  25. A2 says:

    Gordon’s prediction, and many others’ may turn out to be right

    Jason Burack
    @JasonEBurack
    If you aren’t a hardcore brainwashed goldbug or CCP apologist, you may find this new #China podcast I did today interesting. China’s #DollarShortage & #tradewar causing a food crisis that’s much worse than reported according to one of my good China sources

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    • Query says:

      Jason’s source might need a rethink.
      Running out of dollars to buy food?
      China holds US$ 1.2 TRILLION in US Treasuries, notes etc.
      The Chinese govt can use these dollars any way it wants.

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      • A2 says:

        All sources and economists have highlighted this problem. B&R is funded and repaid with USD, as are most of China’s other economic deals. That is why the move to use Yuan trade deals.

        Those T bills are held for the same reason and unless they want to draw down those reserves by selling they have a cash flow problem. Those T bills are what back their entire financial system.

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        • A2 says:

          Jason sources, highlight the food problem. If you had actually listened to the podcast it was prefaced by all the articles that have been published on the problem. I’ve posted almost all of them here as they have come out.

          I find it interesting that you did not twig on Bloomberg’s new fund to bail out the Chinese by using cash in the MSCI to buy Chinese stocks and securities to inject USD inflows to the very crippled Chinese economy.

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        • Query says:

          “Those T bills are what back their entire financial system.”

          Indeed. But if there are genuine civil disturbance problems due to food shortages China will use its vast $US reserves to fix that at the speed of light. The alternative of food riots horrifies the Party and will be avoided at all costs. $20 billion a year to subsidise food is a rounding error vs their Treasury holdings. Using that to prop up commerce is another matter entirely. Jason seems to be conflating feeding China with business activity.

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          • A2 says:

            Relisten. There is a lot of evidence there. just a google away. I am not going to feed you info.
            I’ve been there done it. If China is forced to liquidise their main stay assert that is linked to their own currency. Cash flow will bring the house of cards down. There are not enough pigs in the world, outside of the US that can supply their very tragic shortfall.

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            • Query says:

              Please try and concentrate.
              China can fix any food problem with its Treasury $s, a minimal expenditure of capital.
              It’s not a difficult concept.
              You will find what happens in food markets is that other proteins substitute for shortages.

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  26. L. E. Joiner says:

    I wonder if Xi might be willing to give up China’s North Korean puppet for a neutral, non-nuclear, unified Korea. And I wonder if President Trump might not find that an appealing prospect. A unified Korean market might be a way of compensating China for the shrinking US market under Mr Trump’s tariff policies, and also enable XI to save face as a high-level peacemaker. /LEJ

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  27. spren says:

    Whenever Gordon Chang appears on Fox I change the channel or mute the volume. This is especially true if it is Neil Cavuto on the hosting side. Chang has been singing the same song for a couple of decades and eventually China’s collapse is likely to occur.

    Economies built upon and relying upon central control are doomed to failure. Remember back in the 1980s how we were going to be economically overcome by Japan? They subsidized all of their export products so they could be dumped into the US below cost. Obviously, although working for a time, it didn’t work out in the long term. Japan’s economy suffered and has been in flat-line territory for decades now. In all of these centrally-controlled economies, inevitably the piper will be paid and the chickens will come home to roost.

    China’s paper-tiger economy has been based upon double-digit growth every year (artificially sustained) and that is now coming to an end. They won’t go down without a fight. I think we are in very dangerous waters and this makes me think of when we put restrictions on the flow of oil to Japan in the couple of years prior to Pearl Harbor. China and Xi have for too much to lose so I would be leary of them just as you would a cornered rat.

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