President Trump Highlights Climbing Arc of Flynn Story…

CTH noted yesterday that things in/around the Michael Flynn investigation could get very interesting…. not because of what is visible, but rather because of what is likely to surface.

Today, President Trump draws attention to Michael Flynn being under DOJ/FBI investigation during 2016; AND specifically, that candidate Trump and President-elect Trump was never notified of the potential issues:

The backstory issues within the Flynn case may soon surface; so it’s worth a few minutes to describe where this could be heading. Specifically, how a series of data-points are coming together and building toward a strong probability Flynn was under a FISA surveillance warrant during a key part of the 2016 election campaign.

By now everyone is aware General Michael Flynn was under FBI investigation throughout a significant portion of 2016.  There are strong indications Flynn was under surveillance even as far back as early to mid 2015.

Yesterday when Judge Sullivan instructed the DOJ to turn over recordings and transcripts of the Flynn-Kislyak phone call, there was a part of Sullivan’s order that indicated his suspicion there was more than just a singular record of a December 29th, 2016, intercept.

You will note that Judge Sullivan requested: …“and the transcripts of any other audio recordings of Mr. Flynn, including, but not limited to, contacts with Russian officials.”

As many are aware, there is a trail of evidence that suggests, strongly suggests, Flynn was subject to an FBI FISA Title-1 surveillance warrant as a result of his being a target in the 2016 counterintelligence operation.  Now, if there was ongoing FISA-authorized surveillance, think about the problem Judge Sullivan’s request would present to the DOJ.

In essence, the DOJ is required to deliver evidence of more than just the one Flynn-Kislyak call.  As a result of the way Sullivan framed the judicial request, the DOJ would end up having to produce evidence that would outline a time-line of Flynn’s surveillance.  As a problematic consequence the DOJ would be proving a FISA warrant existed.

Guess what happened today…  the Sullivan order was modified:

Taken in combination, here’s what seems likely.

It is a fact Flynn was a target under the pre-existing 2016 counterintelligence operation conducted by the FBI.  The HPSCI report and the Mueller report clearly identify this issue.  This is not in doubt.  It is demonstrably true.  However, what has not yet surfaced is that Flynn was under a FISA Title-1 surveillance warrant during 2016.

It’s likely that during the key election time-frame, the last five months of 2016 (Aug-Dec), a FISA warrant authorized by Judge Rudolph Contreras was present.  The timing here will be important, because it’s almost guaranteed that when President-elect Donald Trump selected Michael Flynn to be his National Security Advisor he had no idea Flynn was under a counterintelligence investigation.

Additionally, there were three FISA applications denied in 2016.  This is exceptionally rare.  It has always looked like the FBI unit was trying to gain surveillance on a key official, possibly Flynn, while getting pushback from the FISA court. {Go Deep} <-IMPORTANT

The stunning evidence of malicious DOJ and FBI political intent would be evident because no-one in the DOJ or FBI informed President-elect Trump his key national security selection was an issue.   This is one big example of what current Attorney General William Barr seems to be indicating.  There is no valid reason why the incoming President would not be notified of the potential compromise and the inherent issues.  This looks like where the arc of the Flynn story is going.  This is what could surface soon.

Remember, on a professional and somewhat personal level, Michael Flynn and Obama’s National Security Advisor Susan Rice were friends.  This angle of Flynn being under Title-1 surveillance would explain why Rice specifically was doing so much unmasking of intelligence information toward the end of 2016.  This is also likely a key part of what Devin Nunes saw at the White House SCIF in March 2017.

I also suspect FBI Director James Comey has made specific notations about the Flynn FISA in his memos.  You might remember in the David Archey declarations to the court, about the Comey memos, he was specific in his late 2017 reasoning why the Comey Memos must remain sealed and redacted:

To this day the FBI is still fighting to keep the Comey memo content hidden and away from public review.

Judge Sullivan has now extended the DOJ deadline for filing a response to his request until May 31st.  It will be very interesting to see exactly what happens.

With AG William Barr making inquires, and with the FBI’s inability to explain to AG Barr what was going on, the potential for the DOJ and FBI to be in conflict is very real.  We know the disposition to hide information is still inherent within the FBI due to their recent attempts to hide evidence of FBI corruption within the Kavalec State Department memos.

FBI Director Chris Wray, FBI Deputy Director David Bowditch, and more specifically FBI chief legal counsel Dana Boente are in the cross-hairs of these issues.  They, along with the corrupt Washington Field Office FBI investigators, appear to be working against the interests of U.S. Attorney General Bill Barr; and thanks to Judge Sullivan these background schemes and plots are likely to be exposed.

Interesting times….


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346 Responses to President Trump Highlights Climbing Arc of Flynn Story…

  1. Troublemaker10 says:

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      • iconoclast says:

        They wanted to set up Flynn so they could bust him and indict him and send him to jail, thereby maligning the new President Trump. Then they could boast that Trump’s nominee was corrupt, as evidence that Trump was corrupt.

        These people are evil. May they go down hard.

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        • Linda K. says:

          Flynn was only charged with lying to the FBI…He hasn’t been sentenced….Judge Sullivan said Flynn was a traitor and could expect a full sentence, even though he had pled. It doesn’t hang together. Was Flynn setting up Trump?Why didn’t anyone warn Trump, in a real serious manner, if Flynn was under surveilance?

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          • Alison Wilson says:

            I have, for so very long, wondered about the judge’s comments to Flynn. My gut tells me that the judge did what he did to shock Flynn into withdrawing his plea if he thought he was going to get a full sentence. That would have resulted in a trial with evidence needing to be produced. Evidence…..what a tricky thing. Even if it is sealed from the public, the judge gets to see it.
            Sullivan is no fool. He knows that Flynn was railroaded and he wants to throw the case out and find the Mueller lawyers in breach of ethics.

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            • chipin8511 says:

              Sullivan is a democrat appointed by Clinton he may turn out to be a patriot?

              Emmet Sullivan – Ballotpedia
              Emmet G. Sullivan is a federal judge for the United States District Court for the District of Columbia. He joined the court in 1994 after being nominated by Bill Clinton.


          • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

            Judge Sullivan said Flynn was a traitor

            Just to be clear…..
            Sullivan did not say this because he believed it.
            Sullivan KNOWS the case against Flynn is fraudulent and he was telling the Mueller prosecutors that he KNOWS IT.

            “Hey….if Flynn’s “lie” in a ginned up FBI interview about a phone call that YOU ALREADY HAD A TRANSCRIPT OF was so serious it prompted…..
            the first DOJ action using the Logan Act in 200 years……
            shouldn’t he have been charged with treason instead of “lying”????”

            Sullivan effectively turned a “0 days 18 USC 1001” sentence to a “hanging offense”
            The shocked Mueller prosecutors tucked tail and postponed sentencing….
            YET AGAIN….
            as a result of it.

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            • Greg says:

              WordPress refuses to let me like your post………..*Like*

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              • jebg46 says:

                Are you following the Treehouse? And logged into WordPress? These last few days I’ve had problems too. resetting the screen didn’t work. I just had to close TCT, and shut iPad off, then came back here. Problem solved.


            • Linda K. says:

              Krashman, I may be simple, but if a Federal Judge called me a traitor, I would expect that he meant it.I would also know what he was referring to and a process crime of perjury does not make a traitor.
              It just seems to me that if I was in intell and they sent me into Trump’s campaign to gain his trust, and spy on him all the while, I would be a traitor.
              I would also not expect my Spook bosses to out me by telling Trump I was under suspicion of collusion and a FISA order, which is exactly what did not happen.
              I like to think Flynn was set up and not a mole, but I just had this idea when I read Flynn was friends with Susan Rice and she was unmasking like crazy.

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              • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

                if a Federal Judge called me a traitor, I would expect that he meant it.

                Sullivan was NOT calling Flynn a traitor to Trump…..but the United States as in:
                Why Mr. Mueller are you NOT charging Gen Flynn with TREASON because that is what Flynn’s “lying” would be to cover.

                It got the exact response Sullivan expected it would…..

                After 18 months and FINALLY a sentencing hearing……

                The Mueller team RAN AWAY

                A prosecutor can say whatever he wants but the ONLY version that counts is
                1) Indictment
                2) Declination

                A judge can say anything he wants from the bench (see Judge Ellis’s comments in Manafort trial in EDVA: “C’mon man….”)

                But what ONLY matters are his RULINGS.

                Benedict was George’s “friend” and
                Judas was Jesus’s.


        • The Phantom Stranger says:

          It was also crucial from Obama’s perspective to block Flynn from serving on the National Security Council. As an insider that worked during the Obama administration, Flynn would have known exactly which NSC workers couldn’t be trusted in a Trump adminstration. Flynn would have been able to point out all the bad apples working on the NSC working for partisan interests. Flynn would have been very effective at naming everyone on it in favor of the Iran deal.

          They badly wanted to destroy Flynn for a variety of reasons, only some of which involved humiliating Donald Trump.


      • 3rdday61 says:


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    • mj_inOC says:

      …plus, a Zero Admn effort to destroy patriot Gen Flynn

      Evil Zero Admn will reap Seven-fold … pray, LORD, sooner than later.

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      • chipin8511 says:

        Flynn got compromised and knew too much they dangled greed and they had him out front selling the IRAN deal bigly

        Emmet Sullivan – Ballotpedia
        Emmet G. Sullivan is a federal judge for the United States District Court for the District of Columbia. He joined the court in 1994 after being nominated by Bill Clinton.


    • Dave says:

      I suspect that the main reason General Flynn was illegally spied upon was his strong support of the FBI agent who filed a sexual harassment claim against fired Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe. General Flynn’s illegal surveillance by McCabe was just payback, in my opinion.


  2. Carson Napier says:

    “There are strong indications Flynn was under surveillance even as far back as early to mid 2015.”

    Then we must have had a government a lot like that of Nazi Germany back then. I sure hope we never have another President like a scum who would do that ever again.

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  3. mtk says:

    Oh it is so much uglier than you can even begin to image.

    Liked by 9 people

  4. jackphatz says:

    Although Flynn’s Wiki has changed a bit it’s basically all here. He pizzed off Obama.

    According to what Flynn had stated in one final interview as DIA director, he felt like a lone voice in thinking that the United States was less safe from the threat of Islamic terrorism in 2014 than it was prior to the 9/11 attacks; he went on to believe that he was pressed into retirement for questioning the Obama administration’s public narrative that Al Qaeda was close to defeat.[41] Journalist Seymour Hersh wrote that “Flynn confirmed [to Hersh] that his agency had sent a constant stream of classified warnings … about the dire consequences of toppling [Syrian President] Assad.” Flynn recounted that his agency was producing intelligence reports indicating that radical Islamists were the main force in the Syrian insurgency and “that Turkey was looking the other way when it came to the growth of the Islamic State inside Syria”. According to Flynn, these reports “got enormous pushback from the Obama administration,” who he felt “did not want to hear the truth”. According to former DIA official, W. Patrick Lang: “Flynn incurred the wrath of the White House by insisting on telling the truth about Syria … they shoved him out. He wouldn’t shut up.”[42] In an interview with Al Jazeera, Flynn criticized the Obama administration for its delay in supporting the opposition in Syria, thereby allowing for the growth of Al-Nusra and other extremist forces: “when you don’t get in and help somebody, they’re gonna find other means to achieve their goals” and that “we should have done more earlier on in this effort, you know, than we did.”

    Of course, there is more at Wikipedia but since even I noticed a change of wording from the first time I read it I would not trust much of what’s there now. I wasn’t surprised to see what had happened to him knowing that Trump was not supposed to win and O’s people probably needed him to be muted.

    The Satanic Keystone Cops!

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    • Ozwitch says:

      He also pizzed off Andrew McCabe, whom Robyn Gritz accused of sexual abuse. Flynn stood behind her and went to bat on her behalf. That’s the “f*k Flynn, f*k Trump” origin.

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      • chipin8511 says:

        Mccabe never was trained as a law enforcement guy he was trained as an entrapment guy for political reasons been on the Clinton payroll for over 20 years even had a house nears hers in Chappaquiddick as was Comey and Mule-face all fixes and criminals. Mueller is even bigger criminal than Comey you just dont know it yet. The whole Mueller team are criminals.


        • Lady Sid says:

          Please, it’s Chappaqua–NOT the scene of Kennedy mischief nearly 50 yrs ago. It’s a pleasant suburb in Westchester County NY, north of the county seat White Plains.


    • gawntrail says:

      So. Flynn pushed back on O’s ‘everything is hunkey-dorey’ narrative. Also, obviously had the straight dope on our foreign policy gaffes during the Obama years. I can see why that whole gang wanted Flynn and other truth seeking and speaking Patriots destroyed.

      The lid is going to be blown off the incompetence.

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      • 2zymos says:

        Its NOT “gaffes” and NOT “incompetence”!!
        This is what Flynn knows and has evidence of — intent, intent…

        Plus it goes even deeper on the bad side than “the intent” to arm, support, and fund terrorism.
        Flynn was a liability to Obama from way back and the threat he represented was multiplied when he was clearly an advisor to Trump.
        Don’t kid yourself –Flynn knew he was under “watch/surveillance/spied on” the whole time. Who he told, and when he told them, he was a watched/marked man is to be determined and a major plot line that will likely remain undercover for a long time.
        Robyn Graitz and her story, her time as FBI liaison to CIA, and her looking into Levison’s “disappearance” in Iran will be factor in all of “this” at some point in the future. Flynn had MAJOR contact with McCabe and JTTF fbi/cia terrorism hunters and knows many of the players really well… better than he wanted to know because that knowledge created huge problems for Flynn and for the survival of our constitutional republic.

        You can start unraveling this knot better by understanding that:
        1 Brennan was THE major force in covering obama’s real identity and the purpose he was installed in WH: Flynn likely discovered Brennan’s fingerprints at crime scenes and perhaps the info Brennan was trying to bury/fog/destroy.
        2 Flynn knew (largely not-totally, and in some cases in detail) how much, how often, in what ways, and why Brennan fed disinformation into the intel system as compared to the DIA info and the DIA was plugged into NSA and other national level data gathering and data analysis.
        3. Flynn was a “leader of men” who enjoyed loyalty and respect deep into the intel system. If there was any “independent” cells woking the obama-enigma-plus-otherstuff problem… Flynn would have been the one assembling the re$ource$ and manpower for any efforts.
        4. Circumstantial evidence is overwhelming that Trump had a huge overwatch and likely warnings of what was underway arrayed against him from as early as 2011 (when he forced obama’s hand on the presentation of the forged BC) — if not even earlier than that.

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        • jbowen82 says:

          There is no way that General Flynn, former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, did not know that his phone call with the Russian ambassador rom Costa Rica was monitored by both the NSA and its Russian counterpart. Probably the Chinese too. Think about that.


        • chipin8511 says:

          Flynn was greeded up and the IRAN deal stood to make some nice cash he pushed it hard.


    • OSP says:

      re. Wikipedia…edits can be submitted by anyone, however they must be approved by mostly leftist volunteer editors. I have been successful in having edits to Wiki items approved, only to be deleted or changed soon thereafter.

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  5. CA M says:

    OK. That’s it. This whole secret court/ secret spying/ keeping it from even the Commander -in-Chief has GOT TO GO. It is blatantly unconstitutional. No freakin’ more, No more. This cannot happen again and all these clowns go to Gitmo.

    Liked by 9 people

    • PBR says:

      The continuation of the FISA court came for a vote while all this corruption was beginning to come out. Trey Gowdy even mentioned it in a House hearing. Something like: “we are getting ready to re-approve the FISA court and need to know if it is something we can in confidence do, or if it is being used against private American individuals”. But they voted anyway. I won’t forgive them for that.

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  6. The Gipper Lives says:

    Obama’s #1 domestic policy goal was to communize America by suppressing the economy and then putting everybody on government assistance. But his #1 foreign policy goal was to rescue the Mullahs, give them cash and a path to nukes. If you recall, Hillary bashed him in 2008 for being willing to talk to the Iranians without pre-conditions. That tells me she knew he was already conspiring with them before he was even elected. She was listening. Obama had to wait until re-election to enact his Reverse Iranian Rescue. And that was when Flynn crossed him, earning the Counter-Intelligence frame-up he still lives with today.

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  7. –“FBI Director CHRIS WRAY, FBI Deputy Director DAVID BOWDITCH, and more specifically FBI chief legal counsel DANA BOENTE are in the “cross-hairs” of these issues. They, along with the CORRUPT Washington Field Office FBI investigators, appear to be (working against the interests) of U.S. Attorney General Bill Barr; and thanks to Judge Emmet G. Sullivan these background schemes and plots are likely to be exposed.”–
    ~Now you know–WHY–the very interesting FNC “America’s Newsroom” host Bill Hemmer Interview with A.G. Bill Barr is making the above mentioned CRIMINALS Very-Nervous.~

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  8. Do any of my fellow Treepers remember a CTH post way back when President-elect Trump was putting his Cabinet appointments together and Sundance expressed some misgivings about Lt. General Michael Flynn? On election day, he published a pro Turkey op-ed at The Hill.

    So was Flynn under FISA Title-1 surveillance then? What was the Obama Administration up to?

    Here’s his op-ed:

    And this from Axios:

    “August 9: Michael Flynn signs a contract with a Dutch firm, Inovo BV, which is owned by a Turkish man with close ties to Ankara. Flynn was promised $600K in exchange for three months of work for the Turkish government.”

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  9. I’m overwhelmed. Wake me up when its over…………..

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  10. James W wilson says:

    You must remember that President Obama was a Muslim, he was taught at a young age, also was mentored by communists all around him, but until we come to grips with checking his background we will never know the whole story, anyone who questions this is labeled a racist, however if you look at what kind of scrutiny our current President has been subjected to, why can’t we have the same standards for the previous administration, amazing

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  11. Chuck C says:

    Good thing that 0bamma let all those terrorists out of Gitmo. More room for clinton, 0bamma and the growing list of traitors.

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  12. “Safe Seat” NJ democrat Sen. Bob Menéndez had the temerity to criticize 0bama for wanting to normalize relations with the Communist Castro Bros.

    Joe Arpaio insisted on enforcing our immigration laws in defiance of 0bama’s stand down directives and then questioned his Americanism.

    Dinesh D’Souza produced a scholarly work exposing 0bama’s third world inclinations and disdain for Western Civilization & Culture.

    Gen. Michael Flynn very vocally predicted the debacle 0bama’s precipitous military withdrawal from Iraq would create.

    Aside from exposing AND PUBLICLY EMBARRASSING 0bama as the anti-American scoundrel he was, what else do these folks have in common?


    Answer……..They were all targeted for for prosecution by our federal “justice” system under 0bama.


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    • Dutchman says:

      In reading your post, it ALMOST sems like Obama had a, well,…..ENEMIES list?
      Lol, MAJOR /S

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    • H. Hawke says:

      I wouldn’t include Menendez in the same category as Flynn, Arpaio and Dinesh.

      Menendez is a sleazy corrupt SOB.

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      • Yes, but he – dirtball that he is – publicly called out 0bama.
        Menéndez represents a large population of anti-Castro Cubans in Hudson County, NJ.
        He stood up for his constituents and was punished for it because he went against the 0bama agenda.

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        • H. Hawke says:

          Hmmmmm . . .I need to research that.


        • Bill says:

          I could have sworn Mendez spoke out in support of Israel and Bibi speaking in front of congress. Then almost the next day is when he was arrested. Either way, the swiftness with which he was indicted after standing up to Obama jumped out of the TV screen to me. I mean, if we are looking for evidence that Obama was abusing the NSA spy software that should be the instance we use as exhibit A. I couldn’t believe nobody else picked up on that. They weren’t even trying to hide the corruption in that case. It’s like they figured it was so blatant that people would have no choice but to laugh it off as a coincidence. Brilliant when you consider the amount of political clout Obama had as the first black president. The PC culture made that POS beyond reproach. Thank you God for Donald Trump. He’s the only person on earth that could have stood up to this cabal. And I’m not kidding. MAGA

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    • 13wasylyna says:

      Dont forget what happened to Paula Deen when she revealed that Michelle Obama ate more during the commercial breaks than any other guest she had ever had…..and voila….her career was decimated because of a 20 yr old comment.

      Liked by 2 people

      • slowcobra says:

        Wow, I didnt know that was the reason!!! I won’t say what my 97yo friend calls B.O.’s wife. But in private it’s what I call her, too.


      • donna kovacevic says:

        Don’t forget what happened to Joan Rivers after her comment Michelle Obama was a tranny. Not long after she was dead.

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  13. Ospreyzone says:

    William Barr – “The explanations just don’t hang together.”
    (…but the perpetrators will.)

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  14. lawton says:

    This discussion quickly led into another area—an Oct. 18, 2016, email from Strzok containing the subject line “Re: Dragon FISA.”

    Page quickly noted that she could not discuss the matter in an unclassified setting—but would be able to discuss the matter with congressional investigators in a classified setting.

    That is definitely not Page and is either a FISA on Flynn or Paps. I remember some text they had where Page or Strzok was saying they liked a name for something saying it wasn’t too military sounding. Dragon FISA may be Flynn after all.

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  15. zephyrbreeze says:

    Michael Ledeen who has written 35 books, on terrorism and national security issues, states emphatically that Flynn was the real target because as DIA he wanted to know where the money was going on projects that had been CANCELED and the money then disappeared.

    Make No Mistake: The Mueller Investigation Was All About Flynn
    Michael Ledeen

    “What, then, was it all about? I think I know. It was all about General Flynn. I think it began on the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan, when Flynn changed the way we did intelligence against the likes of Zarqawi, bin Laden, the Taliban, and their allies.

    “General Flynn saw that our battlefield intelligence was too slow. We collected information from the Middle East and sent it back to Washington, where men with stars on their shoulders and others at the civilian intel agencies chewed it over, decided what to do, and sent instructions back to the war zone. By the time all that happened, the battlefield had changed. Flynn short-circuited this cumbersome bureaucratic procedure and moved the whole enterprise to the war itself. The new methods were light years faster. Intel went to local analysts, new actions were ordered from men on the battlefield (Flynn famously didn’t care about rank or status) and the war shifted in our favor.

    “This earned him a following among some who worked for or with him, but it also gained him the enmity of those who had been cut out of “the chain of command.” By the time he was made head of DIA, Flynn had a real problem with the intelligence community, first because he had marginalized them, and for another reason: Flynn was determined to do a full-scale analysis of the (many) secret missions that had not been carried out over the years, and he wanted an accounting of the considerable funds allocated for them.

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  16. H. Hawke says:

    While many here (including myself) fervently hope justice will prevail for POTUS and the country re: Russiagate, the demonrats and the RINOS are vigorously opposing every move POTUS makes.

    No support on immigration from any direction.

    RINOS Linda and Mitch oppose POTUS plans, throwing in with the demonrats.

    Meanwhile 1G a day released by DHS which is now outsourcing to private contractors and dumping illegals across the country.

    IMO, that is the REAL danger. At the rate of 1 million a year, by 2020 demonrats could have an additional 2-3 million MORE votes from many states.

    POTUS could win the battle and lose the war.

    I sometimes wonder if he bet the ranch on clearing his name as a reelection strategy.

    Will it work? I’m not so sure. Demonrats and RINOS are basically united in their quest to overturn him.

    Some R’s pretend to be outraged by Spygate but they don’t really give a d@mn.

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  17. ABN says:

    Sundance – I do not understand this sentence: “This angle of Flynn being under Title-1 surveillance would explain why Rice specifically was doing so much unmasking of intelligence information toward the end of 2016.”

    Does this mean that Rice was unmasking a lot because Flynn being under surveillance gave her the opportunity? Or does it mean to hide Flynn surveillance, or excuse it, by flooding out unmasked intel? Or something else?

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  18. Max De says:

    I would like to know the basis of any 2015 or 2016 Flynn FISA. It have no doubt the dc slop will try use flynn fisa to cover the other actions of the cia, doj and fbi in spying on the trump campaign. It would not necessarily be illegal not to tell Trump about any Flynn FISA in 2015-2016.

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  19. @ChicagoBri says:

    Sundance, maybe it’s just me, but I wish you would preface (at least once per story) that this illegal spying was done by the Obama administration. Not by rogue characters, but by the Obama administration.

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  20. Hmmm... says:

    I seem to remember a WaPo article that was surprisingly candid about this. Can’t remember the source but somewhere there is a very explicit description of events that included in it the open CI into Flynn and how it was almost closed but for the contact with the Russians.

    Also, after listening to the McCarthy interview with Byron York it would seem that the 2 hop rule would have covered Flynn which would also explain why there is so much smoke around the unmasking issue regarding Flynn specifically. The way he talks about it really made me think that he had Flynn in mind when he was discussing these issues.

    We will know in less than a month but having done as much looking as I can into the FISA reporting that is out there I think we are going to find that there are fewer of them than expected. Only two pop up in the texts and I think there are only two. Dragon and Crossfire. No idea what Dragon was about but I suspect it has to do with Alfa Bank and the NRA. We have pretty good indications that Flynn was in one of the failed FISAs but I suspect that is why Page was targeted alone because of the push back they received by using the more well known Trump campaign figures in their earlier attempts.

    Btw, McCarthy sounded like a Treehouse regular in that interview bringing up the NSA stuff. Some great info in it yet it ended with York and McCarthy once again giving the FBI the benefit of the doubt on some things.


    • mr.piddles says:

      PapaD insists he was being surveilled as far back as 2015 because of his role as a energy consultant, ties to Israel, etc. I wouldn’t be surprised if they had a FISA out on him at some point, in addition to the human source connections.


      • Hmmm... says:

        His comments were what caused me to take a much closer look. I think he’s just wrong on this. He knows that he is mentioned in FISA documents but the circumstances for why he knows this are what lead me to believe he is wrong. He says he was contacted by ABC news and the NYTimes who told him they had information about him from a FISA warrant. The key is this is precisely the time when we suspect Wolfe leaked the Page FISA to these agencies. It has been mentioned by Nunes and Gowdy that Pap makes an appearance in the Page FISA therefore combining those facts leads me to believe that his appearance in a FISA is actually only in the Page FISA and not a separate (approved) one. I do believe he was in one of the previous failed FISA attempts however.

        I also believe he was targeted by a CI as early as 2015 so I think he is right about that. I just think that they were using other methods for both him and Flynn in late 2015/early 2016 and not a FISA warrant. The FISA court pushed back pretty hard by issuing rare denials in the summer of 2016 which is why I think they backed off using primary Trump campaign figures and targeted Page (with a touch of Pap included). We’ll find out soon enough though so it doesn’t matter a whole lot at this point I suppose.


        • Hmmm... says:

          And by precisely the same time as the Wolfe leak I mean the very day WaPo came out with the confirmation article that Page had a FISA warrant on him. This being public gave ABC and NYTimes the cover to bring this up with Pap. If it is indeed the Page FISA that they are talking about then it is really a huge deal in that it confirms almost conclusively that Sundance’s theory that Wolfe texted the entire unredacted FISA and that these news agencies have had this since April 2017.


        • jbowen82 says:

          Remember, outside the US no FISA warrant is needed.


  21. Putting On Its Shoes says:

    Good quote by Barr:

    “It’s a very unusual situation to have opposition research like that, especially one that, on its face, had a number of clear mistakes and in a somewhat jejune analysis,” Barr said. “And to, and to use that, take it to conduct counterintelligence against an American political campaign is a strange—would be a strange development.”

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  22. William Ripskull says:

    I’ve always suspected the Obama administration was spying on any and all who opposed it, or even that was a potentially threat to it, including General Patraeus and the conservative members of the SCOTUS, particularly Justice Roberts. Obama was not just the worst President in American history, he was also the most corrupt.

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    • Redzone says:

      Come on Ripskull. Obama and Biden have told us that one thing they are most proud of is no scandals in the 8 years of BHO. Your comment doesn’t square with their fact.


  23. mr.piddles says:

    Please fire Christopher Wray. <EOT>


  24. Bob, Esq. says:

    Did Sundance put a bounty on The Carter Page FISA Warrant application? What do you win if you can conclusively prove it was fraud on the court based on the unredacted portions alone?

    “In order to demonstrate fraud on the court, [it must be established] by clear and convincing evidence that the offending party has acted knowingly in an attempt to hinder the fact finder’s fair adjudication of the case…. A court must be persuaded that the fraudulent conduct, which may include proof of fabrication of evidence, perjury, and falsification of documents concerns issues that are central to the truth-finding process. Essentially, fraud upon the court requires a showing that a party has sentiently set in motion some unconscionable scheme calculated to interfere with the judicial system’s ability impartially to adjudicate a matter by improperly influencing the trier or unfairly hampering the presentation of the opposing party’s claim or defense. ” CDR Créances S.A.S. v. Cohen, 23 N.Y.3d 307 (2014) (Adopting federal rule)

    I didn’t spot it till last March.


    • mr.piddles says:

      “unfairly hampering the presentation of the opposing party’s claim or defense”

      Well, that doesn’t apply. FISA target has no “defense” or representation.

      As to the other stuff: I can’t imagine that Comey’s own public claims that The Dossier, a central component to the FISA Application, was “salacious and unverified”. So much for the “high bar” for FISA Applications. The Applicants clearly misled the FISC that the content of The Dossier was legitimate cause to grant a FISA Warrant.

      “Carter W. Page is an agent of a foreign power”… or maybe he wasn’t… whatevs.


      • Bob, Esq. says:

        I’m talking about how James Baker “sentiently set in motion some unconscionable scheme calculated to interfere with the judicial system’s ability impartially to adjudicate” the matter.

        “Mr. FISA himself” committed fraud on the court.

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      • jbowen82 says:

        Everyone knew exactly what was going on. The FISA judges and the people who worked in their chambers knew that the real target was Donald Trump. The court was not fooled or misled by the application. They never even looked at it. They just needed the paperwork to be properly prepared.

        Of course, NOW they’re going to CYA by saying they were fooled by the lack of exculpatory evidence, and if the DOJ had been honest, the warrants would never have been granted. But that’s BS. So long as the forms were filled out correctly, they would have taken something written in crayon that just said “Orange Man bad. Orange Man advisor is spy.”


    • Mr. T. says:

      See Woods Rules. The FISA court has much stricter rules. There is no defense present in the court so the prosecution must present the defense as well and not mislead.

      Easy call. They misled. Why are the FISA Judges not acting?

      Are they blind? I know justice is blind but it shouldn’t be taken literally.


      • Bob, Esq. says:

        Proving fraud on the court requires solid evidence of intent to deceive. Even if you catch a fraud red-handed, he’ll slip through your grasp like an eel if he’s not logically precluded from raising the defenses of mistake and misunderstanding. Accordingly, catching a fraud requires cutting off all lines of retreat by showing he did exactly what he intended to do.

        I can prove that James Baker and the FBI/DOJ committed fraud on the court per se. No other interpretation possible. And it’s hidden in plain sight; embarrassingly so.

        That’s what I’d like to run by Sundance; via email preferably.

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        • jbowen82 says:

          There is another explanation. The court was complicit in letting itself be “misled.” It really didn’t matter what was in the application, so long as it was facially sufficient. The FISC knew exactly what was going on, and that the real target was Donald Trump, and they supported it.

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        • Redzone says:

          Why don’t you just lay out your analysis? No reason to side step the details.


  25. CopperTop says:

    Has anyone considered that Fusion fed the Flynn narrative to Rubio on their first round of 2015 opposition research that actually began with his campaign looking Trump?


  26. Pyrthroes says:

    From this, we gather that L/Gen. Flynn was a results-oriented bronco-buster in Brennan-Clapper-Comey’s OK Corral, meaning that his strangely obscured FISA surveillance was a disgruntled IC ploy to “rid (themselves) of this turbulent priest” (qv).

    With luck, Pres. Trump will reprise this whole rotten episode, vindicate and pardon Flynn while mandating financial restitution for the Police State evil this sterling character has suffered.

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  27. Kelly says:

    Just a thought with interest about gen.
    Flynn’s security clearance renewal by
    the Obama administration .. in 2016?
    That is not something to put question
    Into your mind as you put together your
    Administration. Mixed message for whose
    Benefit ?….


  28. MDNA I says:



  29. Dim Osmab says:

    “First we f… Flynn, than we f… Trump” makes more and more sense now…

    For me defensive briefing is the key, there are clear rules about that, and Comey broke them.

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  30. Liberache's Ghost says:

    I’m frankly perplexed why this article and its data gets so little attention:

    EXCLUSIVE: Michael Flynn Was a Keystone in the CIA/Five-Eyes Plot to Frame Donald Trump

    It makes perfect sense to me, and aligns all the data discussed here. If Flynn was a plant/mole inside Trump’s campaign, that explains fully why the Intelligence Community executives would have hidden from Trump the fact that Flynn was “under investigation.” Because the “investigation” was really just an excuse for monitoring Flynn, with Flynn’s full knowledge.

    And Flynn intentionally had the Kislyak conversation, and withheld it from Pence, to create the trap.

    Well, at least we’ll know more once the documents are made public.


  31. Conservative_302 says:

    Can some explain further about why Rice did a ridiculous amount of unmaskings? From above, SD says this was possibly due to a title 1 on Flynn. What output does this produce? Is it surveillance information, but the names of people are redacted? If is, then, I get it. Thanks in advance.


    • Newhere says:

      I believe the answer to your question is YES, but hopefully someone will confirm and shed more light.

      I could only being to understand by going back to the FISA statute — here’s a little refresher which hopefully helps (but again, I’m still not totally sure what SD meant, so clarity appreciated!)

      Let’s start with the baseline. FISA provides rules and procedures for surveillance of any and all FOREIGN persons anywhere, and no identity protections are required. The data is collected and stored in the NSA database.

      All of the issues re FISA have to do with “incidental” or intentional collection of the data of U.S. persons. Another thing to keep straight: the purpose of FISA is always *only* counterintelligence. It’s supposedly not a criminal investigatory tool (borrowing NSA data for criminal investigatory purposes is another huge topic, also relevant to Spygate, but not the point here). Only the FBI counterintel division and DOJ national security division (and formerly their CONTRACTORS) can use FISA to obtain foreign intelligence.

      What’s critical: FISA doesn’t prevent or *stop* the collection of the data of U.S. persons — it only puts restrictions on how it can be shared or used. When surveillance of foreign persons “incidentally” collects the data of U.S. persons (e.g., a U.S. person communicating with a non-U.S. person), it is not destroyed, it’s stored in the NSA database. However, before the raw data from the NSA data base can be packaged for intelligence community “consumers” (i.e., officials within the Administration or IC) the identity of any domestic person must be concealed (i.e., “masked”).

      Procedures for surveillance of foreign persons outside the United States is provided under title VII section 702, so it’s referred to as “Section 702” FISA surveillance. This is the most common use of FISA. Authorization need only be obtained annually and need not be specific to individual targets. Until recently, we suspected that Flynn’s December talk with Kislyak was picked up by section 702 FISA surveillance covering Kislyak.

      But the other type of FISA surveillance is called FISA Title I or “FISA I” because it falls under the part of the statute. The difference is that FISA I surveillance targets a U.S. person within the United States. The U.S. person must be shown to be acting as a foreign agent. FISA I was obtained for Carter Page and now we suspect evidently Flynn. It is supposed to be used rarely and in extraordinary circumstances, requiring a lot of sign-offs up to the attorney general. Another thing about FISA Title I — it allows “two hops”, meaning it grants access not just to the targets data, but to all of the targets contacts (one hop) and all of those persons contacts (hop 2). And, it’s not time-limited; literally ALL past data can be collected.

      Still — and I think this is key — even FISA Title I surveillance has the SAME masking requirements as Section 702 (formerly called “minimization requirements”). However, I do not know if that includes a requirement to mask the identity of the actual target; and I also don’t know if it requires masking everyone captured in the two hops (presumably yes).

      Which gets to Rice’s unmasking requests. To recap SD’s current thesis: Flynn communications were not gathered “incidentally” under section 702; in fact he was a target under FISA title I, perhaps even since 2015. It would be helpful to know (1) does *every* U.S. person have to be masked under FISA I surveillance, including the target and all the hops? and (2) does SD mean that a Flynn FISA I warrant explains Rice’s increase in unmasking requests because a warrant specifically on Flynn would rake in a lot more interesting data connected to U.S. persons, and Trump in particular? That seems to be the implication (or at least, I can’t think of whatever else SD means). And why does it matter that they were personal acquaintances or “friends”?


  32. Jersey Joe says:

    My sources confirm there were FISA warrants on Flynn, Page, Manafort, Stone, Gate, PapaD.
    Shultz reports in addition to the above there were 6 others FISA warrants not confirmed yet against the Team Trump.

    Judge Sullivan smells a rat, wants to see all recorded conversations, thinks the FBI is lying.

    This WAPO article is complete garbage.

    How do they hide the warrants? The same way FBI Director Wray tried to hide the State Department Steele memo. The warrants were classified and held close.


    Halper(CIA) and Azra Turk (CIA) sent PapaD to see Misfud (MI6) at Link University (CIA) to plant “russians have hillary’s email story”.

    Then Australian diplomat Downer was sent by the Clinton campaign to meet PapaD in London to extract the false email story. (FYI Downer bundled $25mil for Clinton foundation.) Downer passes it on to Australian intel to keep the ball rolling. The NYT claims PapaD started the Russian Collusion CI investigation. They omitted the fact it was a set up and reflected poorly on the democratic party the machinations of Comey, Brennan, and Clapper.

    Also: Bill Priestap (FBI/CI Chief) has turned state’s evidence. He confirms that BHO had HRC’s emails in WH since Dec 2012.

    The Best is yet to come. Thank you all.


  33. thedoc00 says:

    Something commenters and forget is that Flynn worked for the Obama White House as National Security Advisor 2012-2014. After having the privilege of hearing General Flynn speak during those days, it was wonder he lasted as long as he did in that post. He was supposed be window dressing to help justify the strategic disasters being committed, during that time period, by the Obama administration as they pissed away the tactical-operational advantage gained by the US in Iraq and Africa (during the closing days of the Bush Administration). The Obama administration went to great lengths to wreck the command structure of the US Military and destroy careers to establish a fully loyal and politically pliant command structure. They badly misjudged General Flynn, who was initially targeted for revenged based destruction by Obama and his now pliant military command structure. That he ended up as part of the plot to take down Candidate/President Trump was strictly a coincidence of timing.

    Candidate Trump was likely drawn to General Flynn due to shared understanding of the global situation and required remedies. President Trump’s tweet is square on the mark and is a rhetorical statement as opposed to being a question as he fully understands the role of General Flynn, as a pawn, in the coup attempt.


    • Deplorable_Infidel says:

      ” The Obama administration went to great lengths to wreck the command structure of the US Military and destroy careers to establish a fully loyal and politically pliant command structure.”

      At the time, about the only one sounding the alarm about what was taking place was Dr. Michael Savage, on his radio show.


    • Newhere says:

      Thanks for this post. Last sentence is key. SD’s thesis makes sense. But even assuming it’s true, we just don’t have enough information to know what is going on with Flynn, and how exactly he fits into the bigger picture. Until we do, it’s always possible to be surprised; that said, from what we know of his past, and his specific past actions, it would mark an absolute, fundamental break from past patterns of behavior and evidence of character for Flynn to join in ANY illegal plot to target a political campaign; least of which Trump’s; or to start lobbying for a foreign power (especially when contemplating an imminent return to public office). It’s not bias to look at context and past behavior as a basis to suspect many of the accusations swirling around Flynn are simply false, even if we don’t know precisely what’s true.


  34. Newhere says:

    So I just saw the Gaetz text message thing. How the hell are Rep. Gaetz’s and Gen. Flynn’s text messages — as recent as Feb. 2019 — being monitored and leaked??

    Why did Gaetz “confirm” anything about it? (Evidently he confirmed that he didn’t reply)

    And will someone commenting on this in the press please point out that there isn’t anything illegal much less scandalous about a Mueller target texting broad, general support to Trump allies that are pushing back!! This is just beyond the pale. Mueller ruined people’s lives for 2 years. And in the process created a “narrative” that his targets must be muzzled …. a stigma that probably will never wear off.

    Any notion that the 2016 Red Scare and the prolonged Mueller investigation will be fixed or neutralized by a proper Spygate investigation is just wrong. This years-long debacle has set a baseline for a Police State. TDS hasn’t just made people crazy, it’s made them welcome and even demand a police state.


  35. Rick says:

    It is a shame that Jeff Sessions wasted so much time as AG.
    If Barrel had been there from the start, things would be so much different.


  36. Linda K. says:

    `Yes, Krashman, I understand Sullivan meant Flynn was a “traitor” to the United States not just Trump, but the original FBI agents(Strzok) did not think Flynn was lying. Mueller pressed that charge. It was a process crime.
    So Flynn and Trump liked each other, is that what you mean by the comparison to Jesus and Judas? Benedict Arnold and George Washington? That makes my point.
    It seems in politics, you can’t trust anyone.
    Flynn was looking to make money with his Turkish dealings as well. I am surprised he was friendly with Susan Rice. She is a very bold liar, as we witnessed during her Benghazi statements. The CIA and FBI were using spies on PapaD and Carter Paige, you think they wouldn’t try to get someone close to Trump?
    I don’t get why Sullivan would unload on Flynn.Flynn is a distinguished military man with a great career. Possibly he wanted him to go to trial and force discovery on the government. But there may be more to this than we originally thought..


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