Huawei Executive Requests Bail in Canada, Pending Extradition to U.S…

The issues appear multifaceted. In a Canadian court lawyers for Chinese company Huawei CFO, Meng Wanzhou, are arguing for bail while she awaits extradition to the United States for violations on Iran sanctions.

There’s an element to this entire story that appears suspicious. President Trump was intentionally kept out of the loop; and that reality could infer that U.S. (deep state) actors were/are leveraging the Huawei matter as a poison pill against Trump’s trade reset with China.

Years ago such a possibility might be dismissed as conspiracy theory. However, today, knowing how far the administrative state has gone to disrupt the Trump presidency, such a concerted deep state scheme with Canada seems entirely plausible.

VANCOUVER (Reuters) – A Canadian provincial court on Monday weighed whether to grant bail to a top executive of one of the world’s biggest telecommunications companies, Huawei Technologies, while she awaits a ruling on extradition to the United States.

U.S. prosecutors want Chief Financial Officer Meng Wanzhou to be extradited to face accusations she misled multinational banks about Huawei’s control of a company operating in Iran, putting the banks at risk of violating U.S. sanctions which would incur severe penalties, court documents said.

[…] Meng’s lawyers argue that while she awaits the extradition ruling, she should be allowed to live in one of her two multi-million-dollar Vancouver homes and travel through the area as long as she is accompanied at all times by drivers and minders from a security firm. She would also wear a global positioning system (GPS) bracelet at all times, her lawyers said.

[…] At one point the judge asked why Meng had avoided travel to the United States since 2017 if not to avoid arrest. Her lawyer David Martin cited a “hostile” climate toward Huawei in the United States.

“I ask the court to ask itself, what motive could she possibly have to flee?” Martin said, arguing the evidence against her was not overwhelming. “If she were to flee, or breach order in any way … it doesn’t overstate things to say she would embarrass China itself.” (Read More)

We cannot discount any motives here, because remember: there are trillions at stake.

If there is validity to a Machievellian DC scheme to block President Trump’s global trade reset with China, via antagonism through Meng Wanzhou, we would be naive not to notice such an action holds almost identical fingerprints to the Turkish Kashoggi matter and the effort to disrupt President Trump’s agreements with Saudi’s MbS.

At the 30,000 foot level – in both issues of conflict (Wanzhou and Kashoggi) Iran is the principle benefactor.  In the realm of geopolitical influence and power struggles – – Who supported the Iran deal and who opposed it?

Additionally, and structurally beyond refute, Wall Street and the multinational global alliance (World Bank and IMF) have an interest in blocking President Trump from restructuring global economic systems through his trade agreements.

Could it be the Kashoggi matter and the Wanzhou matter are similarly framed?

We should at least entertain the plausibility.

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172 Responses to Huawei Executive Requests Bail in Canada, Pending Extradition to U.S…

  1. queenslandkel says:

    Opening the can of worms – she has used 7 different passports for different visits to the USA and Canada

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/the-many-passports-of-arrested-huawei-cfo-meng-wanzhou_2734066.html

    Very murky

    Liked by 10 people

    • GB Bari says:

      Seems that China simply refuses to respect US law. The multiple passport scheme (even using multiple names) for so many officials from China should set off alarm bells everywhere but this is the first I have read anything that mentions it.

      Our travel security & passport database system must be updated to include mandatory requirements for all ten fingerprints plus facial recognition at every foreign embassy and every domestic port of entry. Database storage costs are cheap enough and network bandwidths are high enough to support that easily.

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      • swampratterrier says:

        That criminal fraud is SOP for Communist China I’m sure.

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      • Ristvan says:

        Well, the multiple,passport thing is more complicated than at first glance. i was issued two by the US. First, long page, was the usual for heavy international travelers and used twice to go to Israel.
        Second was short page, because was going to Saudi Arabia once on similar private business. SA would at that time refuse to admit (even after an embassy approved visa) anyone who had previously been admitted per passport visa stamps to Israel.
        Dunno about semidiplomatic passports (Jared Kushner) today.

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        • emet says:

          If Ms Meng has an A1, 2, 3 or G 1,2,3 or 4 US visa she is not going to be printed. Americans may have several regular passports, plus official and diplomatic ones. I would assume that some passports are issued with aliases, depending on operational requirements. Throw in dual citizenship, passports purchased from other countries for exampleVenezuela, and you have a real hot mess.

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    • swampratterrier says:

      This will backfire on the Freak State.

      She will be Führer Trudeau’s worst nightmare.

      Liked by 6 people

      • fleporeblog says:

        China 🇨🇳 is in absolutely no position to play games because they know that our President and his Killers smell the blood in the water. They have until March 1st or else. Their economy is teetering as we speak. They have close to 250% debt to GDP. Their GDP rate has begun to shrink and it will only get worse. Corporations are in the business of making money and they are seeing all the signs on the horizon.

        Our President and his Killers can easily destroy them and their economy. Not only will the tariffs take a chunk out of the economy but the incentive for corporations to leave is a far greater concern because they will never go back.

        From the article linked above:

        Fifteen years ago in California, a tall technology geek named Steve Mushero started writing a book that predicted the American dream might soon “be found only in China.” Before long, Mr. Mushero moved himself to Shanghai and launched a firm that Amazon.com Inc. and Alibaba Group Holding Ltd. certified as a partner to serve the world’s biggest internet market.

        These days, the tech pioneer has hit a wall. He’s heading back to Silicon Valley where he sees deeper demand for his know-how in cloud computing. “The future’s…

        SD is right that China 🇨🇳 is the holy grail that holds together Globalism, NWO, CoC, Lobbyists, Democrats, RINOs, MSM etc. If China 🇨🇳 is destroyed, everything that they have done for the past 30 years vanishes.

        Folks the Chinese over the past six months have seen all of their games destroyed by the Atomic Sledgehammer of Truth! Ole Xi will have to decide in the very near future whether he wants to really give in to our demands or whether he wants to destroy his paper economy. He CAN’T stop 🛑 both!

        There is a cause and effect to our GDP and theirs. By squeezing them with tariffs of 25% on the first $250 billion on March 1 (since the 90 day window commenced on that Saturday meeting in Argentina 🇦🇷) and 25% on the remaining $267 billion, PDJT is swinging our GDP up and killing China’s GDP.

        Let’s look at the math:

        USA 🇺🇸 Tariffs on China:

        $250 billion x 25% tariffs = $62.5 billion dollars to our Government

        $267 billion x 25% tariffs = $66.75 billion dollars to our Government

        China 🇨🇳 Tariffs on USA:

        $110 billion x 25% tariffs = $27.5 billion dollars to their Government

        $40 billion x (THAT IS ALL THEY HAVE LEFT) 25% tariffs = $10 billion dollars to their Government

        That totals $129.25 billion dollars in tariffs for our Government versus $37.5 billion dollars to their Government.

        That shrinks the trade deficit by $91.75 billion dollars a year.

        Our President is absolutely right that WE CAN’T LOSE!

        Xi knows HE CAN’T WIN!

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        • michaelh says:

          My opinion: WATCH CLOSELY what Lindsey Graham says publicly about Huawei. That will be the Senate’s talking points, and will probably put out a clear flag to Treepers about who and what is behind this.

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      • NME666 says:

        I have to wonder who orchestrated this mess for McTurd. Or is he that stupid (rhetorical question) that he went along because he was helping “get” Trump. My beer and popcorn supply is topped up:-)))

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  2. rf121 says:

    Swamp draining is going to require bigger equipment.

    Liked by 8 people

    • tanfords says:

      You are misreading this.

      She is not a big Swamp donor.

      Actually what happened is President Trump’s Cabinet fukked him big time.

      They knew about this and kept it from him thus burning him with the Chinese and in the process they F’d the American people.

      Remember that virtually his entire Cabinet are Globalist never Trumpers who don’t want jobs coming back to the US and who are pro China.

      This gives China the upper hand. Not only does Trump look like a moron who can’t even control his own people to Xi, but now Trump has to focus on that instead of the negotiation issues of tarrifs, jobs, investments, NK, etc.

      Trump has to pray that Justin from Canada gives him a reacher and grants her bail so that she can flee Canada.

      Bad situation for our President and bad situation for the American people.

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    • Paqul Killinger says:

      This once again reverts to “Who is in control of the US Dept of Justice?”

      Did the AG know of this arrest in advance? And, if so, did he brief the White House?

      If not, is there a de facto Administrative State operating Independently of the Executive, which would effectively comprise a 4TH BRANCH OF GOVT..?

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  3. chojun says:

    Huawei is almost certainly an extreme flight risk. If the Canadians grant bail then she’d return to China immediately.

    I also have to imagine that the timing of this was done so as to cause an extreme amount of political pressure on Canada. They are the ones who signed begrudgingly to the USMCA and are set to lose a lot of income from China due to the closure of rules of origin loopholes in NAFTA.

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    • billygoat65 says:

      I think you’re on to something there Sensei.

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      • michaelh says:

        Was talking about this with a friend last night who asked me about the Huawei situation and I had all the same concerns as SD posted above.

        A lot of possible bad actors in this mix:

        Canada, for USMCA motives, Iran sanctions motives

        FBI -and- DOJ, deep state motives

        Huawei, internal motives

        China, disruption motives, trigger bad faith with U.S.

        Iran, heck where do we even start. 2 counts of sanctions violation. Trying to disrupt a trade reset. Trying to build pressure in Congress for their own motivations. Leverage on China.

        Corrupt Congress, especially Uniparty Senate – they haven’t played into this story. Yet. Keep an eye open – I expect a number of comments from ranking Senators as this unfolds. Must pay close attention to the messaging. I suspect direct connections will be the same actors pushing for sanctions on KSA as speak out on Huawei. If nothing else, these are BIG DEALS and the big club can pull the levers to make sure the monies flow where they want – both can be leveraged to reward their interests.

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    • WSB says:

      Canad did it, yes.

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  4. Fred Kiehl says:

    She is truly a flight risk, and if she gets back to China there will be no way to get her back.

    Liked by 1 person

  5. Elric VIII says:

    Curiouser and curiouser.
    Who signed the warrant for arrest and extradition?
    Was it under seal or otherwise kept under wraps for a reason?

    Liked by 3 people

  6. Sporty says:

    What’s the odds the COC was behind this mess? It benefits them no?

    Liked by 1 person

  7. emet says:

    If she fled, it would not embarass China. They would say she outsmarted those silly gwei lo’s.

    Liked by 1 person

  8. Alleycats says:

    There really are no more conspiracy theories, this is the current reality. The Deep State actors have no limit to what they’ll attempt in their quest. I don’t discount your suspicions one bit.

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  9. buanadha says:

    I have to agree, the most likely scenario is that people conspired to use this as a weapon against Trump and his negotiations to reset the trade with China. A few years ago, I would have thought that crazy.. now, it’s just the most likely scenario.

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  10. Paco Loco says:

    Huawei owns the 4G and coming 5G cellular telephone “switch” market. I expect this will go the way of ZTE, another Chinese telecom manufacturer, with big fines being paid to the US Treasury. This is all about the Iran boycott of key IT and industrial products. China and Iran are big trading partners.

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  11. JoAnn Leichliter says:

    So it would have been just seell to let her waltz off into the sunset, regardless? Yeah, right.

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  12. Reposted from earlier thread:

    1. The “faux outrage” over POTUS not getting updated on the Huawei CFO’s arrest was a Deep State-M$M attempted hit to undermine President Trump, the trade deal and the Administration: Epic fail.

    2. Bolton correctly kept it to himself.
    • Clearly President Trump did not need to know it, as the agreement to negotiate a deal was a massive win.
    • If POTUS had known it, it would have been difficult to deny that he had any hand in it.

    3. There will be no deal after 90 days, because China hasn’t concluded it’s on an irreversible decline without it.
    • Our Trade Deficit will need to be eliminated in large part first.
    • China will need to begin experiencing severe penalties for IP Theft as well.

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    • GB Bari says:

      Hmm. Ref. your #3; unless I am recalling incorrectly, you and Fleporeblog are making opposite predictions.

      This will be interesting to see how it plays out because both of you are pretty good and optimistic in your forward forecasts.

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    • Curry Worsham says:

      Plausible deniability.

      Liked by 2 people

    • swampratterrier says:

      Agree 100%.

      Epic Fail for the Freak State.

      Liked by 5 people

    • 🍺Gunny66 says:

      I agree. As Sundance noted on a recent post. Now is not the time to go after the crooks.
      That can be done at any time he pleases.

      The most important aspect now is the economy. A trade agreement with China would cripple the Globalists.

      Bolton did exactly the correct thing. He protected the President.

      The President must continue to deny he knew anything about this.
      If, need be, it was his disruptive Law Enforcement Agencies who were at fault. There surely is enough evidence of that.

      If the deal with China does not come to fruition we lose billions, the Globalists win.

      The President must leave this one alone. Just like the Turkish issue. He saved us billions in that one. Because he left it alone.

      They are trying to trap him. Get with Xi……explain to him he’s got nothing to do with it and let the lawyers fight it out.

      The China Trade deal is more important and once done will last for years.

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      • The incredible thing, Gunny, is China’s bleeding us at the rate of $90 Billion a MONTH between the Trade Deficit and the IP Theft.

        That’s nearly a WALL a WEEK and the Congressional Cabal are active Co-Conspirators.

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        • 🍺Gunny66 says:

          I understand that and I am not saying she should go unpunished. But for now the President should keeps his hands off of that. Let the lawyers handle it.

          And I understand the drain on the economy, but the President has also started taking care of that with his talks with Xi at the G20.

          But again, we have been absorbing that deficit with China for years and now the President gave Xi…….. ninety days

          Because now the President has Xi basically “boxed in”

          If Xi does not fix all the issues regarding trade, the 25% tariffs go into effect and the Chinese economy basically collapses.

          And, if he agrees to the Trade deal, the US and China win, but the Globalists lose billions on the set up they have on importing. cheap goods to America from China.

          That is why the Globalists want to fight the trade deal any way possible.

          Trade deal good for China and US…….bad for Globalists.

          Actually I think they would rather see China’s economy collapse and then go to war. They would make more money…

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          • I anticipate that even when we’ve got an agreed deal (well beyond the March 1 deadline for higher tariffs), President Trump will LEAVE whatever level of active tariffs we have in place UNTIL Congress has approved the deal. I want a front-row seat for THAT drama.

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      • TarsTarkas says:

        Unlike some of Trump’s earlier picks (Tillerson is a good example) Bolton knows how to be a good soldier and not embarrass the bass or try to run his own foreign or economic policy. He stated as much early on.

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  13. Curry Worsham says:

    Wouldn’t this mean that the Deep State can be UPSTREAM of what POTUS is doing with China and the Middle East?

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  14. nccosmiccurmudgeon says:

    Sundance ended the article with: “Could it be the Kashoggi matter and the Wanzhou matter are similarly framed?
    We should at least entertain the plausibility.”

    I would change the word plausibility to probability.

    As I said in an earlier post on this subject, this was an “ambush”. The President, so far, has not practiced that kind of deception. He tells “you” what he is going to do, and goes about doing it. But does provide “you” a way “out” (face saving) of the impending doom.

    This is a very dangerous move by the “Justice” Department. And yet one more blatant example of undermining the President.

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    • Curry Worsham says:

      “The President, so far, has not practiced that kind of deception. ”
      Are you sure about that?

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    • WSB says:

      Steven Mosher was interviewed by Stuart Varney on Fox Business today, Steven studied elite business practices in China, who believes this situation forces the Chinese to make a deal more quickly. Mosher believes this situation is actually better for the US deal.

      Watch at the 30:00 mark.

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LWtiy7jtCXY

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      • Jake says:

        Isn’t this a classic Dragon move while wearing the Panda mask? I thought that’s what SD has been preaching. Trump knows the Panda and Dragon moves. Looks to me like he’s using them here.

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        • WSB says:

          Take a look at a Chinese business operator. Look at the video. Steven makes very critical points with respect to the Chinese mind.

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        • Larry says:

          I agree this is a Dragon move. Everyone talks about Donald “not knowing”. What about Xi? Why would Xi not know the details of the arrest when everyone met for dinner? Did the Chinese withhold information from Xi? Or, did he not care? If Xi knew and did not care, that is a story to pursue.

          I suspect Chinese domestic politics are tied up in all of this. I suspect the arrest is simply a move to hit a ball down the third base line and everyone wants to watch it roll.

          I don’t see a foul ball. This is a base hit that is moving the men around the bases.

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      • G. Combs says:

        Steven Mosher… The Mosh pup from WUWT???

        NOT a guy I would at all trust! At least not when it comes to Climate and Socialism. He is very good at bafflegab.

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        • WSB says:

          He made some very good points that this one arrest might actually thrust China into a position of action, just because they would need to save face. I took that at face value.

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  15. Publius2016 says:

    once again, why PRISON? this is white collar procedural crime if that…usually lots of money is put up to end the “inquiry”…definite ulterior motives from many possible beneficiaries including President Xi himself…sometimes China or Russia are part of Deep State…

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    • Deplorable_Vespucciland says:

      The stated public reason for her arrest is possibly incomplete. Good old Alex Jones is claiming that the cellphone behemouth has planted backdoor technology in all their devices which allows the manufacturer to access user data at any time…

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      • 🍺Gunny66 says:

        Again, something smells bad in this one. Give it time….

        I think it is a trap……and it seems somewhat disorganized.

        Chill a little while……The China trade deal is too important to be concerned with this one now.

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        • litlbit2 says:

          Exactly, shucks some in China could possibly be joining the deep state, both now know things will not be the same as 2015. If it comes out the two were teaming up Xi has another mountain to climb.

          I do not believe POTUS is factoring it in yet. When he does the CoC is not looking good.

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          • WSB says:

            I tend to believe China owns the Deep State.

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            • 🍺Gunny66 says:

              Ha…….WSB……..”Brevity is the soul of wit”

              The Chinese are not dumb when it comes to money. None of them are. They have been doing this for centuries and they always have…… in any deal….

              “A secret. Hidden inside a riddle. Hidden inside another secret.

              If we we do win in this trade war, Chinese also know it was winning for them………

              Because as WSB stated…….. it means nothing to them

              Because the Chinese are the Deep State

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      • Publius2016 says:

        thats the joke…CFO or CEO cant put “backdoors” in phones…thats totally beyond their capacity…they may know like Jobs or Zuckerberg, but its not them only…my guess is this is about control of “private company”

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  16. Mark L. says:

    So many conspiracies, so little time.

    Liked by 3 people

  17. Vor Daj says:

    Once upon a time the DOJ and FBI fought organized crime, then the DOJ and FBI became organized crime, and along with the CIA, the most powerful organized crime operation this nation has ever know, and even Diogenes, with a lantern the size of the planet Jupiter, likely could not find an honest man in the whole sorry lot of them. At some point either they die or America dies. Truly, ‘In the end, there can be only one”.

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  18. MVW says:

    Trump turned around and used the Kashoggi scandal as leverage to get the Saudis to lower the price of oil.

    What will Trump do with this latest Globalist idiocy?

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    • Vor Daj says:

      Either he destroys them or they will destroy him. The royalist deep state is playing for keeps.

      Liked by 2 people

    • GB Bari says:

      If PDJT is consistent (which he almost always is) he will figure out how to turn it into leverage for U.S. negotiating advantage against China, Canada, any other countruies who knew about her shady dealing but kept it secret, and the Deep State.

      I agree with Sundance that we simply don’t yet know enough as to how this materialized and the entire background on it. Lots of facts missing so conclusions are as yet purely speculative.

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      • USTerminator says:

        She will be extradited to US but Trump will do Xi favor and let her go with a big fine on Huawei. This is giving the face saving and respect that China needs to do a trade deal.

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      • Mike says:

        The idea, regardless of relation to the Communist Party, a woman employed at Chinese company would compromise a trade deal or embarrass Trump is silly.

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  19. drljr says:

    If she did commit any real crimes she would rather be tried and convicted here in the US. China tends to execute people who commit economic crimes or sentence them to real serious sentences. Think about that.

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  20. benifranlkin says:

    I am thinking if the Deep State did this they unwittingly did Trump a favor….the Chinese are spying thieves in bed with every bad actor in the world. Apart from renegotiating the trade deals, cutting Chinese chicanery off at the pass has got to get done as well.

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  21. Deplorable_Infidel says:

    I figure the DOJ is planning on convicting her, so that might force PDJT to issue a pardon. Regardless, it keeps the spotlight off HRC’s crimes and the DOJ can tout “we are doing our job”.
    Until the next school shooter comes along and advertises for a month or two and the FBI does not stop them.

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  22. Justice Warrior says:

    Wow! Trump has to get tough with these bastards!

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  23. All Too Much says:

    China won’t mind waiting for Trump to lose power. Six years is a blip on the Chinese outlook.
    The COC and the rest of the globalist cabal is letting China know things will go back to pre-Trump normal when Trump loses power, however that happens. And the US will go back to sending its wealth to the world.

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  24. emet says:

    An old story. Judge William Orrick Jr, China, heroin smuggling. What could gi wrong? Treepers are familiar with Judge William Orrick III (injunction against suspending funding to sanctuary cities , etc), but his father was also an activist-fool. In 1988 US Customs SFO CET (contraband enforcement team) intercepted goldfish full of heroin coming from China. DEA subsequently arrested the importers, and the DEA and DOJ, relying on our strong (at the time) relationship with Chinese law enforcement, convinced them to deliver Mr. Wang Zong Xiao (the mastermind) to the US to be a witness. Judge Orrick threw the case out (or something along those lines), and granted asylum to Mr. Wang! The Chinese government was understandably upset, because they wanted to put Mr Wang on trial. Anyway, for many years after, there was basically no cooperation. Mr Wang, who had gone into “business” in California, was eventually (2003) hacked to death in Queens.

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  25. Ristvan says:

    Allow me to contribute some personal (you are free to disbelieve, because I am not free to prove otherwise) knowldge here.
    Huawei is in telecomm circles infamous. Most of the core technology was stolen from Cisco, Nortel, and the like. Including millions of lines of complex router/switch/node code. As a quasi official Chinese gov entity, they also built in many spying trapdoors against their own citizens telecomms—hence the very real US and Japan verboten concerns. All true.
    This arrested lady (daughter of founder) has been on the Huawei radar for years, much easier to prove her sins than IP theft where you have to expose the IP. Her arrest is a very powerful IP theft trade message to Xi and China. That PDJT did not know at the time is a PLUS—we have enduring laws, not POTUS whims. And Lighthizer gave them exactly 90 days to surrender, or else.
    My guess is the Huawei CFO lady does not see bail for 90 days.

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    • V.I.G. says:

      ^^^this right here^^^

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    • bessie2003 says:

      Agree with this.

      This situation gives China the added ability to ‘prove’ to US negotiators that they, China, are serious in keeping the personal commitment made by Xi to Trump. It would add to China’s story that “this time” China is serious about changing its ways by being able to say ‘see, we too want any lawbreakers, even if our own, to know they must stop”.

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    • Deplorable_Infidel says:

      “That PDJT did not know at the time is a PLUS—we have enduring laws, not POTUS whims”

      Reading down the thread here, I was thinking the same thing. The POTUS does not need to be informed of every decision DOJ makes (lawfully). Perhaps some former occupiers of the WH liked to micro-manage things, according to some famous texts that have come to light the past year or two.

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    • Prairieboy says:

      Ristvan, agree 100%. Well said.

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    • sDee says:

      I can confirm your IP “theft” point. I experienced it with Chinese projects in other software systems mostly IT, embedded, and manufacturing. I had no direct experience with Huawei, but it was well known and discussed over beers at the end of the day.

      I put the quote marks on “theft “because little is done to prevent it. It was expected that Western companies look away from the Chinese IP theft in order to to secure/retain market access and “globalist ” capital funding. American executives look the other way.

      Jeff Immelt is the poster boy. He even gave the Chinese aircraft turbine technology.

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  26. Sentient says:

    She has the right under Canadian law to have the nature of the charge(s) kept private, which she has done. It has been reported that she had violated sanctions against Iran. Has China even agreed to those sanctions?

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  27. evergreen says:

    9th Circuit places hold on executive order, Trump says, let the legal process play out.
    Person of interest extradited in conformance with law, Trump will say, let legal process play out.
    China wants to rip off U.S. intellectual property, Trump says, let the legal process play out.

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  28. V.I.G. says:

    Nothing to do with Iran and EVERYTHING to do woth Semiconductors.

    This one by TCTH, is way off. You see, China has no way to execute on its 2030 plan, in regards to world domination in tech, with out semiconductor plants in China. 6 in the world, 3 in the USoA.

    Huawei was arrested because she is an absolute threat. Her father was a threat and head of Chinese Intelligence.

    This has absolutely zero to do with Iran.

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    • Jake says:

      Probably a little to do with Iran since the cheating by Huawei on sanctions isn’t speeding things along like the President would like… I agree there’s more to it than Iran though.

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  29. RAC says:

    I’d read this earlier on today, as Sundance mentions Khashoggi I’ll leave it here, make of it what you will.
    http://12160.info/profiles/blogs/breaking-news-khashoggi-case-a-massive-psyop-concocted-by-cia-mi6

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  30. California Joe says:

    Rosenstein definitely knew of the arrest and knew that President Trump was meeting with Xi so why didn’t he call the President and tell him personally? This should be grounds to fire Rosenstein! No?

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  31. Caius Lowell says:

    There are a lot of recent Deep State shenanigans in which Iran bono, especially the murder in Turkey. One has to wonder about the deeper relationship between Obama, Hillary, McCain, ValJar, Huma, and Iran. I have feelings and suspicions, but I don’t *REALLY* understand the politics, and more importantly, the payments. I think there was a kickback from Iran to Obama because he was just so dead-set at pushing money at them.

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  32. Normally Quiet Observer says:

    I was concerned about this the very day I read it happened … DURING the G20 … am I the only one who thought of that right up front? Too obvious!

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  33. Dutchman says:

    Sometimes a cigar,….
    Is JUST a Cigar.
    The D.C. swamp is a Machiavellian place, murky, most of the action occuring below the water,….

    Recognising the possibility, (of a deepstate manuever to undercut DJT) is just that; ONE possible explanation.

    China and the Globalists DON’T benefit, by NOT getting a deal, and since deep state are in globalists pockets, difficult for me to see this as an extension of Kashoggi.

    Need time, to see how this ‘plays out’, and as asked above, who’s fingerprints are on the arrest warrant?

    DJT will find a way to turn this to his advantage, THAT you can take to the bank.

    And yeah, I come down on thinking China isn’t ready to deal,……yet. Way too soon, given that to truly agree to POTUS’s terms, and live up to them, is to agree to slit their own throat.

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  34. Ziiggii says:

    If true this would point to confirmation that the CoC and Deep State/UniParty are in league together….🤔.

    Just taking the next logical step!

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  35. CornPicker says:

    It toes the party line very closely, for example, regarding the persecution of Falun Gong, a peaceful mind-body-spirit practice similar in some ways to Buddhism. In cooperating with that persecution, Huawei has developed tools that should be of concern to everyone around the world, not just the practitioners of Falun Gong in China.
    ^
    https://www.theepochtimes.com/with-persecution-of-falun-gong-huawei-develops-tools-of-repression_2735336.html/amp

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  36. Franklin says:

    This could be a reverse sting by the Chinese. Who tipped Canadian authorities she was changing planes in Vancouver? Xi could also have been testing Trump’s negotiating skills. But at the same Xi could be tightening his control over Huawei without a direct confrontation of the companies leadership.

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  37. zozz1 says:

    Desperation and adrenaline can cause people to make mistakes…very big mistakes. If the Deep State swamp rats think they are closing in on Trump, they may take bigger and bigger risks. Time and time again the anti-Trumpers have thought they were on the verge of “getting him”, yet each time, they have failed and embarrassed themselves. I suspect that our VSG will find a way to turn this into a big win with Xi. Let his enemies bray and gloat….it ain’t over yet….

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  38. I never liked John Bolton. I think Trump should be careful with him.

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    • fragemall says:

      I like John Bolton very much and President Trump is careful with everyone. Sessions and Priebus taught him a good lesson.

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      • Dutchman says:

        Re: John Bolton, I like him some, as well.
        Suspect VSG does, too, and hired him so they can stand together, on the dock, waving good bye.

        For those singing the parties over, “reports of my demise are premature”, in fact, we’re barely one quarter thru the first act, and its just starting to get interesting.

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  39. mr.piddles says:

    In the realm of geopolitical influence and power struggles – – Who supported the Iran deal and who opposed it?

    (Sep/Oct timeframe)
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-nuclear-eu/as-u-s-sanctions-near-europe-fails-to-protect-iran-deal-idUSKCN1M41UO

    “The European Union has failed to design a workable legal shield for its companies in Iran to beat the global reach of the U.S. financial system and defy President Trump, the diplomats say.

    Instead, Europe is engaging with Russia and China to show that it is at least searching for ways to ensure Tehran gets some benefits from its oil sales so Iranian President Hassan Rouhani has a reason to keep to the accord, according to seven European officials and diplomats.”

    Has Europe had success with this post-November 4th?

    And what is the OBSESSION with Iran? Is everybody just anti-israel, anti-Saudi Arabia, and thinks the future of the Middle East points to Tehran? I don’t see it as a stable country… why all the interest?

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    • mr.piddles says:

      Sorry. First line should have been quoted.

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    • Dutchman says:

      Iran destabilises the middle east, creating millions of,…..REFUGEES, who flock to western nations.

      The “Arab Spring” also drove refugees out of the middle east, and Africa, into Europe.

      Quo buono: WHO benefits?

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      • mr.piddles says:

        Well… exactly! Who in their right mind wants a part of THAT action? I mean, Europe sees a potentially untapped market, so they drop a lot of coin in there, establish some relationships, whatever. So it doesn’t work out in the end, but what the heck are you doing getting involved in the first place?!?!? I mean: Iran gets the World’s Leading State Sponsor Of Terrorism Award. Who wants to be associated with that?

        No “untapped market” could be worth that amount of trouble.

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  40. cripto says:

    No conspiracy. This was in the works for over a year. Lighthizer’s statement is correct, and China seems to feel the same. Separate matters. The Ministry of Truth has banned all mentions and discussion on social media.

    Here is an excellent article, re: US-China trade talks.

    “China tries to walk a tightrope as nationalist backlash over Huawei case threatens to derail US trade talks
    Government continues to urge US and Canada to release Sabrina Meng Wanzhou, but Beijing does not want to imperil the current talks to resolve the trade war with Washington”
    PUBLISHED : Monday, 10 December, 2018, 10:33pm
    UPDATED : Tuesday, 11 December, 2018, 10:23am
    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/2177327/china-tries-walk-tightrope-nationalist-backlash-over-huawei

    (Btw, sd, Meng is her surname, Wanzhou her given name).

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    • mr.piddles says:

      “China tries to walk a tightrope as nationalist backlash over Huawei case threatens to derail US trade talks”

      Why risk it? Why even take the chance that it could have otherwise blown up (relatively speaking)?

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      • cripto says:

        Read the article. Ledes are deceptive. And stop tagging me.

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        • mr.piddles says:

          “Tagging”? What does that mean?

          Also, I’m not sure why “Why risk it?” isn’t a reasonable question to ask. The article can say all it wants that “[China] refrained from drawing a direct link between the case and the continuing trade negotiations with the US”, that does not preclude the action exposing unnecessary risk to trade negotiations.

          Did everybody know in advance what China’s reaction would be?

          No.

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          • cripto says:

            Read the article.

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            • mr.piddles says:

              I did. The arrest was unnecessary when it was carried out. If she’s a bargaining chip now, then she was before she was arrested. If Huawei was a bargaining chip before, then they still are now. No need for the possibility of an international diplomatic kerfuffle over an arrest. The U.S. has the upper hand without the arrest.

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              • cripto says:

                No. She was transiting through Canada. That was the opportune moment. She has avoided the risks for months. The US and Canada were on the same page.

                If you understand time differences between the US and Buenos Aires, Both China and the US delegation meeting for dinner, did not know. By the time China made its statement at the G20 they did know. Did not make a difference. So there is that.
                Try to keep up.

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                • mr.piddles says:

                  “She was transiting through Canada. That was the opportune moment.”

                  Well, if that was the basis for the arrest, then I am more convinced than ever that it was a hairbrained and/or dubious decision to arrest the woman AT THIS TIME.

                  Think of it this way: in the grand scheme of trade and geopolitical wrangling between the U.S. and China right now (i.e. since the “trade war” began, and until it wraps up in the near future), exactly WHAT value does Wanzhou represent, and to whom? Seems to me this arrest was short-term thinking if the only reason was “well, she was on a list, so we just wanted to check a name off on a list”.

                  If this is about Huawei, then you already have that problem being addressed in other, more meaningful and valuable ways. And you can continue to do so into the future. If it’s about Iran sanctions… who gives a crap about Iran sanctions (right now). Iran sanctions is a sideshow at the moment.

                  Anyway. We’ll have to agree to disagree on this one. At this point, I can’t be convinced that the arrest had to happen right now, and that the benefit of executing the arrest right now outweighed the risk of significant negative consequences.

                  Cheers.

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  41. Craig from Scotland says:

    Very difficult to read this one. I’m siding with Sir Sundance views on this but I also think the case will land flat as the issue has been brought up before. Messy situation though.

    Here is a Reuters article form January 31, 2013 mentioning the same subject matter:-

    https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-huawei-skycom/exclusive-huawei-cfo-linked-to-firm-that-offered-hp-gear-to-iran-idUSBRE90U0CC20130131
    January 31, 2013
    Exclusive: Huawei CFO linked to firm that offered HP gear to Iran

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    • Dutchman says:

      Craig from S;
      Not sure SD has taken a position. He has simply said this is ONE possibility, that must be aknowledged.
      Much as his suggesting that certain unsourcable leaks MIGHT be black hats
      (Page strox texts, etc).
      He wasn’t positing it as believing it, just recognising it as possible. Believe shown false, IMHO, by the way.

      Similarly, hes throwing this out as a possibility, a theory which we can now test, to see if we can refute or confirm.

      Does this a lot, ‘crowdsourcing’, to get a lot of grey matter focused on it, like linking a lot of computers, to get a supercomputer.

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  42. 4EDouglas says:

    China is a house of cards. Our lion and his wolverines are about to pull the joker out of the deck..

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  43. mtk says:

    On the flip side of bad optics…
    Can you just imagine the up roar if the swamp had definate knowledge that PDJT knew of the impending arrest!
    The MSM is trying to create connect the dots hysteria over Meng Wanzhou arrest. However, the biggest take away is what if the arrest failed through some action that tipped off Meng.

    There are not fonts big enough for the headlines the MSM would be screaming right now.

    Bravo SoS Mike, for reading the politics correctly and protecting the Office. Because as sure as the Sun shines, if PDJT knew of the impending arrest, Meng would have been tipped off.

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    • mtk says:

      By tipped off… I most definately mean the swamp would have tipped off Meng.

      The fact that the arrest occured means MAGA is winning. To burn MSM proceived and created bridges proves that MAGA is going to go to the ends of Earth to enforce Iran sanctions is very telling to any and all.

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  44. “Hello Whitaker – Trump here. On my desk at nine o’clock tomorrow morning I want the names of the people who ordered her arrest on that specific date. And I want the names of the people in your chain of command that approved the date and time. By close of business tomorrow I also want copies of your letters of termination to them. Or, have your letter of resignation there instead. Hey – good week of football, eh? Have a nice day.”

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  45. Doppler says:

    I think there’s another possibility for deep state/globalist involvement: by manipulating this particular arrest on this particular day, there’s a potential trap for Trump in his reaction: a re-purposing of the failing “obstruction of justice” narrative. If not obstructing justice in blocking investigations into Russian involvement in the 2016 elections, why not President Trump obstructs justice in bringing China to pay for violations for whatever the charges are against the Huawei CFO? Depending on what President Trump does in response, and what his motives are, could the insurance policy initiative be pulled from the jaws of defeat by new allegations that he interfered in this lawful investigation for political purposes, namely to avoid totally screwing up the world economy by launching a destructive trade war, which would lose him the 2020 election? This handily allows the deep state globalists to also take other actions to sow discord between the US and China: note the escalating naval tension in the South China Sea, e.g.

    There are so many variations possible when your enemies control DOJ, the CIA, much of the defense contracting establishment, the global banking industry, the think tanks, the media, our allies, and academia.

    As to getting to yes, I know Sundance looks at these issues as zero sum, but I think there’s a plus sum/negative some aspect here. If the US and China reach accord in 90 days, it will benefit both countries, and the global economy. If they do not, both countries’ growth will be negatively impacted, as will the global economy.

    In a sense, getting to yes on this deal – a restructuring of trade between the world’s two largest economies, based on Trump’s nationalism principals – will sound the deathknell of the NWO globalist Marxist nonsense that has enjoyed hegemon these many years, and they know it (see Merkel’s complaint that Trump has single-handedly dismantled the NWO!). So this 90 days is crucial, and anything can happen at any level. And should be expected.

    Pray for our leaders, the nation, and the world.

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  46. Dutchman says:

    Doppler;
    What you suggest in your opening paragraphs would be typical projection, given the Iran deal and operation cassandra, and as desperate as the opposition is, certainly a possibility.

    I disagree regarding the 90 window. The US (VSGDJT) are in no hurry, 90 days or two years, we only benefit the longer this plays out.
    CHINA is the one under enormous and steadily increading pressure to make a deal.
    This whole arrest may be an excuse for China, to avoid negotiating, cause as much as China is under pressure to negotiate, THATS how much China doesn’t WANT to. An excuse to get all offended, and BLAME the U.S. for torpedoeing the negotiations, is a way to at least temporarily put of negotiating, while not taking the blame.

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    • Doppler says:

      “Benefiting” from collecting tariffs, as the second largest economy increases its boycotts on us, does not compare with how we will succeed when barriers fall on both sides.

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  47. railer says:

    All due respect to our host, but it’s difficult to see any conspiracy here. Canada and Trudeau aren’t that clever or bold, to go out on a limb. They got burned a while back when they foolishly did so with Saudi Arabia, and got spanked, and the US stood by and let it happen. This time, I believe Trump agreed with them to do this for him. China is clearly pissed off over this arrest, and Canada wouldn’t do this without the US being behind it, and not some shady Deep Staters, but the president himself, who’s the only one who can make that stick.

    Trump has the final hammer on this gal, not Deep State. He can let her go, or not. Deep State wouldn’t trigger something that Trump can undo at will. The muzzie bro’ hood guy in Turkey wasn’t under Trump’s purview or locus of control, so was available for Deep State skullduggery and may have been, but this gal’s situation is completely in Trump’s hands it would appear.

    Trump wanted to send a message, and gave the go ahead on this gal’s arrest. Never mind the Bolton cover story, that was worked out beforehand no doubt, to give Trump distance and negotiating triangulation.

    Deep State seems to want a surrender to the Chinese, not confrontation. It’s Russia they want confrontation with, not China. They have no motivation to provoke the Chinese. I don’t see them involved here, and I do see Trump offering up one of his classic provocations, against the grain, against all common wisdom, jarring in its impact, but minimal in its real cost to anybody, and easily resolved given smooth negotiation. It’s a real eye opener, hitting the Chinese on multiple levels: Iran sanctions, IP theft, Canada transshipments, those US citizens China is holding hostage, and whatever else Trump is concerned with. It works too well in his interests for it not to be of his hand.

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  48. Jim in TN says:

    The thing that bothers me about the Khashoggi death is that Turkey seemed to be watching in real time, not figuring things out after the fact. To watch in real time, you need advance notice. It was the Saudis who seemed to be creating stories after the fact to try and get out of trouble and the Turks who were releasing tidbits to counter the Saudi stories.

    I still wonder why you would order an execution to be carried out in your embassy in a hostile country. But if you did, you would not give that country advance notice. But if you were going to make lots of trouble for your current crown prince, telling the Turks would be on your checklist.

    So that is something both matters have in common. Government employees doing Embarrassing things in foreign countries. Things that thwart the leaders prodfress.

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  49. RJones says:

    I love hating on the deep state as much as anyone here, but this sure looks like retaliation for Chinese arrests of US Nationals and folks like the head of Interpol. We need a protocol everyone agrees to in making arrests. I think we now have the attention of Chinese on this matter.

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  50. montanamel says:

    Someone needs to check some “rice bowls” over there in China…
    Are any of them missing “part” of their daily rice?
    How “hungry” are the little-feet getting on the streets of Tech-cities?…not the villages, just the cities?
    Could 90 days look like “Mana from heaven” from their view point?…
    AND…the ruling class sure as heck doesn’t want anything to upset the apple cart, eh?…
    Check-6

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