Unfortunately Every Investigative Trail Comes Back to the Dead End of FISA Abuse…

Way back when CTH first began the deep dive into the systems and processes that were deployed in the 2015/2016 election cycle we eventually came to the conclusion that everything of substance, within the larger intelligence abuses, revolved around DOJ and FBI abuses of the FISA process.

As an outcome of multiple research deep-dives we then focused on a specific foundational block of that usurpation, the fraudulent application presented to the FISA Court by officials within the FBI and DOJ-NSD (National Security Division).  The October 21st, 2016, application to the FISA Court for surveillance authority upon U.S. person Carter Page; and by extension the Donald Trump campaign.

Throughout all further inquiries this central component remains at the center of the issue.  Unlawful surveillance is the originating principal behind Operation Crossfire Hurricane; it is also the originating issue within the Peter Strzok “insurance policy”; additionally, it is the originating aspect to the Clinton/Steele dossier; etc. etc. the list is long.  Chase any of the corrupt threads back to their source of origin and you eventually come back to the surveillance authority within the FISA processes.

As an outcome of those concentric circles CTH continued to say: stay focused on the FISA fraud, and by extension the FISA application, and by extension the dossier.  Every outbound surveillance ripple can be traced back to the use of FBI and NSA databases to conduct unlawful surveillance of political opposition.  Not a scintilla of discovery within the past two years modifies that reality.

Why is that important?  Here’s where things get FUBAR.   FISA is a process, and when used appropriately, within all guidelines, is essentially a surveillance tool.  However, it is a tool that is entirely subject to the honor of the user.  If the user is corrupt, or holds corrupt intent, the tool easily becomes a weapon.  That’s what happened in 2015, 2016 and likely long before that.  The weaponization is so easy to initiate that NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers admitted the intelligence community could not adequately prevent it.  So Rogers went about eliminating massive aspects to it, completely.

NSA and FBI database surveillance and monitoring is like HAL 9000.  The only way to ensure it does not become weaponized is to deconstruct it; remove some of the functions that are available to users.  The elimination of FISA-702(17) “About Queries”, was one such deconstruction.  Removing the (17) “about” search option entirely was the only way to stop human beings from using the tool.  However, that said, it only takes another presidential election, and a new NSA director, and the system can be reactivated once again.

The movement of the U.S. Cyber Command, literally into another combatant command, essentially merging NSA into a functional branch of the U.S. military, is clear evidence that people like Admiral Mike Rogers took action, in hindsight, knowing the Obama administration weaponized data collection, a function of government, for political benefit. Now, in hindsight, the action they took in May of this year all begins to make sense.

I don’t know House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes, and I hold no insight into his thinking; however, looking at what actions were taken in the 2017 FISA re-authorization legislation it looks to me like he has structured this reality into the program.  How?  By timing the next FISA reauthorization to coincide with the 2020 Presidential Election.

Right now all of the administrators, the key-holders, of the Intelligence Apparatus database are honorable and generally safe; meaning they are trustworthy.  ODNI Dan Coats, through his action specifically related to the FISA process, has exemplified this.  Former NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers definitely showcased his trustworthiness on these intensely precarious issues.  Mike Pompeo and now Gina Haspel also appear solid on this issue.  We must, ‘trust’…. but demand verification and transparency.

However, all it takes is one Presidential election and the switch can easily be flipped back toward weaponizing those systems.  All it takes is political operative like John Brennan, James Clapper, James Comey and Eric Holder to reappear and reconstitute the system to allow weaponized political abuse/targeting.  Really, and scarily, it is that simple.

So long as the current process of data collection remains a part of the intelligence gathering operations within the institutions of government – every vote you make for the office of the President will ultimately be a vote for who you, as an individual, trust to have ownership of your most sensitive information.  So long as we accept this level of surveillance gathering, every election decision from now until the end of time is ultimately an election with a consequence that the victor could weaponize that information to enhance ideological power.

All of that said, this backdrop lies at the heart of the testimony recently given by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.   I could write 10,000 words on this specific segment, but it is not my intention to drag everyone through hours of nuance [Jeff, from Marketswork has a strong play-by-play] just watch the last two minutes:


Let me cut to the chase.  Rod Rosenstein told congress the physical content of the FISA renewal application he signed does not align with the briefing explanation, from DOJ officials, that accompanied the signing.

…We sit down with a team of attorneys from the Department of Justice. All of whom review that and provide a briefing for us for what’s in it. And I’ve reviewed that one in some detail, and I can tell you the information about that doesn’t match with my understanding of the one that I signed, but I think it’s appropriate to let the Inspector General complete that investigation. These are serious allegations. I don’t do the investigation — I’m not the affiant. I’m reviewing the finished product, sir.

I’m not a Rosenstein apologist, and I’m not trying to convince you of his motives or intents. My personal opinion of Rosenstein (just to frame reference), is that he’s a coward. He’s kicking a MASSIVE problem over to Inspector General Michael Horowitz because he is afraid of it.  Rosenstein doesn’t want to be ‘that guy‘ who confronts deep state corruption of this scale…. so he insufferably shirks that responsibility over to the IG.  In my opinion, that makes him a coward; then again, it could be more accurate to say it makes him a bureaucrat – he is.

However, focus on the substance, not the insufferable parseltongue.  First, the public information about the FISA application is: the Nunes memo; the Schiff memo; and the Grassley memo. All direct sourced from the actual application.  Second, all members of the House and Senate intelligence committee have been allowed access to the “full and unredacted” FISA application since April 6th, 2018.  So there is no way for Rosenstein to hide behind the customary opaque nature of this specific FISA issue to congress. In short, he can’t lie about it.

Deputy AG Rosenstein is essentially saying he was mislead by “a team of attorneys from the Department of Justice.”  That’s a fanciful way of saying the DOJ-NSD briefing officials lied to him about the content of the reauthorization application.

OK, so in response we might initially say: ‘well if they lied to you, then prosecute them damnit’…. and our voices would be righteous.   However, the weasels have an out that President Obama helped create….

Remember the Susan Rice, James Comey, James Clapper and Loretta Lynch meeting in the Oval Office that Rice wrote down in her inauguration day memo-to-self?   Remember the “by the book” instructions.

Well, it would be “by the book” for the DOJ-NSD officials to lie to the Deputy AG about a counterintelligence operation, if the Deputy AG was within linear authority to the subject or target of the counterintelligence operation.  They are allowed to lie to him.

Setting aside the inherent malicious motive of the usurping officials within the DOJ-NSD during this entire aspect of their “insurance policy” deployment; the DOJ-NSD was investigating Trump; Rosenstein was an appointee of the Trump administration…. under this construct, and accepting this is a counterintelligence operation of the U.S. government unto itself; and accepting that President Trump could ask Rosenstein at any time about the underlying nature of the investigation; the DOJ-NSD lying to Rosenstein is reconciled/allowed  under the “by the book” permissions.

Yes. Anger. Me too.   But that doesn’t change the dynamic.

The 2015/2016 FISA abuse, search-engine surveillance and the underlying sketchy FISA application against Carter Page, is the lynchpin to the entire unlawful enterprise.  In the bigger picture, what happened is also dangerous as heck.  That’s the reason why Chairman Devin Nunes and Chairman Goodlatte keep chasing the story behind it.

However, even when chasing the story behind the FISA issues – what you discover is the FISA process itself is based on opaque fraud that is almost impossible to hold accountable.

The FISA surveillance system inside the intelligence apparatus is unaccountable by construct and design.  The users, and in these examples the ‘abusers’, of the surveillance system are essentially protected by the scale, scope and structure of the process.

The institutional nature of the system, the “by-the-book” per se’, is why Rosenstein now kicks the FISA can to IG Horowitz.   The “by-the-book” also protects the corruption contained within it. The system is, in essence, set up to protect itself. The only way to eliminate the protections is to eliminate the underlying process and stop collecting information.  That’s almost impossible to see happening.

As a consequence, there will likely be some prosecutions; but they will not be for the institutionally corrupt behavior we can clearly see.  Those who engaged in leaking stories to the media will be prosecuted for the leaking.  Beyond that aspect there is not likely to be any technical way to prosecute those who can hide behind the system.

Think of it another way….. I don’t mean to raise blood pressure, but taking new information and applying it to historic reference leads to this:

Many of those DOJ-NSD officials who participated in the Rosenstein briefing, or assembled the underlying briefing material, left after the time-period in question (June 2017).  Additionally, almost all of the FBI officials left, retired, resigned after this time-period.  There was also massive exit of all of corrupt support officials from inside the DOJ-NSD and FBI when the Page/Strzok text messages surfaced (December 2017) and the evidence of the political operation became public.

However, as all of these *inside* officials left the DOJ and FBI, another entire set of *outside* DOJ and FBI officials replaced them; and the originating counterintelligence operation was rebranded and handed over to Robert Mueller.

The inside government usurpation operation became an outside government usurpation operation, essentially using contract agents hired by the inside group prior to exit.  The remaining fragments of the ‘insurance policy‘ are in the hands of Robert Mueller’s team.

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710 Responses to Unfortunately Every Investigative Trail Comes Back to the Dead End of FISA Abuse…

  1. Summer says:

    Just repeal the Patriot Act and abolish FISC and a lot of problems will be solved. No, we don’t need to tolerate this monumentally unconstitutional crap. The whole thing was constructed under the pretense of enhancing national security and preventing terrorist acts (yeah, right) but the real goal has always been to spy on the political opponents.

    We live in a Police State and the only solution is to dismantle it. If the best way to go about it is to fight fire with fire — by overwhelming the system with an army of Special Counsels wielding unlimited power — so be it. Or go straight to another civil war.

    Liked by 6 people

    • Laura Nonamaker says:

      The problem is that they have been listening to citizens conversations since the 1970s; and you want them to stop now!?! I do too. But, Nunes keeps saying these agencies need these capabilities to chase terrorists. At this point, I want proof they actually catch terrorists with this tool. They didn’t prevent Las Vegas, San Bernardino, Orlando, Parkland, etc.

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    • Bugsdaddy says:

      YES. Thank You. I have been saying this since that infernal “Patriot” Act was first proposed. In my very humble opinion, it is an unconstitutional usurpation of the rights and privileges of all citizens of the US. It is and was a “lazy mans” way to try to do what was already allowed, but without the oversight, checks or balances provided by in prior law.

      All it has done is open up huge cans of worms, only a few of which we are seeing evidenced here with the FISA abuses.

      The whole streamlining the information flow meme was and is a crock of shit.

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    • De Oppresso Libre says:

      While I agree wholeheartedly with your desire to reset the chessboard, I am afraid the toothpaste is already out of the tube…..now that the “government,” or the collection of crooks, conmen, and ambitious swindlers that we currently have holding elected office, have the ability to monitor and collect any and all electronic communications of the great unwashed masses, they will never give up that ability regardless of what they say, or whichever court orders them to, or whatever laws are passed to prevent them from doing so. We are in a new era of police state tactics, and I am afraid it will take very drastic, and aggressive measures to return to the liberty and freedom that we so innocently, trustingly, and ultimately, very foolishly took for granted. One of our Founding Fathers, I cannot remember which one, commented that our new Republic, may God save, was something very unique and special in the history of mankind, “…if we can keep it.” I believe it was Ben Franklin, but if that is not correct, I am sure there’s an extremely knowledgeable Treeper out there who can set me straight. MAGA!


    • zimbalistjunior says:

      the problem is based in political correctness. if the patriot act rules would simply state that we relax constitutional privacy rights when we suspect a muslim terrorist connection, but we do not do so in other situations (and definitely not re. political opponent situation) 90 percent of americans would stand up and exclaim, yes that is an act we can support.

      but since we must be p.c. and since technology has rapidly advanced since act was enacted, we are left in ridiculous situation we are in today.


      • Laura Nonamaker says:

        Once data is collected, if someone wants it badly enough they will find a way to obtain it. What we have seen with the FISA fiasco is that the FBI did not follow the constitution, the law or its own processes and procedures for accessing data of civilians. There is NO procedural, process, legal fix to this EXCEPT making the data collection illegal.


    • TomJ says:

      Sessions knows about all of this. His silence is telling. He is as much if not more of a coward than Rosenstein. For Sessions to sit back and let this charade continue is an insult on the office of AG.

      You do have to give it to the Dems to have gotten away with this Treason for as long as they have. There are too few people like Nunez and Rogers around. Most of the politicians are either corrupt or cowards. Otherwise, this would have been exposed and prosecutions would have been started by now.

      What Sessions has allowed to happen is to continue on with a corrupt DOJ. You have a DOJ staff going to a Anti Trump rally with no repercussions, You have Jordan after asking riveting questions of Rosenstein being attacked now for something 20 years ago by very spurious people, and now you have Gowdy being attacked after his demand to close the Mueller witch hunt.

      If this is not shut down pretty soon you will see wide spread civil unrest. The public has had enough. But unfortunately I see no end in site. .


  2. I know it’s easy for all of us to get down when looking at appearances, even Sundance who is so knowledgeable, but PDJT does not do things for no reason. I keep thinking about the EO he signed at the end of last year and all of the sealed indictments/reference to military tribunals in the alternative media that I follow. This is the way to bypass all of these corrupt careerists and they won’t even have the crutch of the corrupt media to help them, because those tribunals will be closed to “journalists.” There is a lot to consider here as far as timing is concerned. I think our VSG will act at exactly the right time and in exactly the right manner, as he has done since he took this job.

    Liked by 3 people

    • Donzo says:

      Yes, closed to journalists, but imagine the field day they would have leveling charges of a military takeover. I live in SF and these liberals only believe what they want to believe. Facts are what they want them to be and with tribunals the LSM would be fed the raw meat it needs to whip the dogs into an absolute frenzy. One could arguable counter that such a news scenario wouldn’t be much different than what we are currently experiencing from the left-wing cabal of the LSM and Dems, but tribunals are a very high risk elevation of the conflict that could taint a constitutional outcome within the justice system.

      Liked by 3 people

      • rocketride says:

        Let the mainscream mediocrities and the LoFos shrill all they want! If they start a civil war, they will not win it. 300M weapons, trillions of rounds of ammunition and the agricultural land (remarkably little of any of that in their hands) says so.


  3. magatrump says:

    It is all up to our President Trump. He has the power to declassify all of the evidence. He has the power to fire Rosenstein and Sessions and Wray any time he wants to. He has the power to give a prime time speech explaining all of this corruption. He could even remove Muller if he wanted to.
    Trust in President Trump. Thank God President Trump was elected President or we would have found out none of this. Pray Pray Pray for justice.

    Liked by 2 people

    • De Oppresso Libre says:

      Trust is literally all that we have left, short of widespread, albeit sporadic, vigilante justice. I hope President Trump’s gut instinct tells him how demoralizing these traitor’s escape from justice, AGAIN, will affect his supporters. While I am an unwavering proponent of participating in our political system, I am concerned that there will be a negative impact upon those who were being motivated solely upon administering “justice” to the deep state traitors, and will now stay home after becoming demoralized. We are still winning on so many issues, and I am very, very impressed with President Trump’s work ethic, persistence, and determination. He has accomplished more in his short time in office than any president I can recall; he represents America very well and we should all be proud of him. But, TRAITORS have been exposed…..not just criminals, thieves, extortionists, liars, but TRAITORS. While very few will agree with me publicly, I know that you do within the secure thoughts of your own conscience(s) – TRAITORS must be judged harshly, and both have their ability to damage our Republic, may God save, any further permanently removed, and also be held to account for their treason against their countrymen.


      • Donzo says:

        I will totally agree with you publicly and while it is easy to do so in words I would gladly stake my life on saving this republic from the likes of the deep state.


  4. gustafus21 says:

    Why do the gophers always play Charlie Brown to lefty Lucy? Bath house Barry introduced Ugandan style governance, to what had already been debased by the Clinton/bush crime families.

    It all seems so hopeless. DC is just as debased as Mexico City

    Liked by 2 people

    • thinkthinkthink says:

      And so we pray. For justice. For righteousness. For a powerful move of the Holy Spirit on the hearts of those trapped in the blind hate fomented by the enemy of their souls.

      And we turn our eyes upward to behold Him who is glorious in perfection.

      And if we need to, we pray with the words of the man in the scriptures whose son was in the grip of demon possesion, “Lord, I believe. Help my unbelief.”

      Liked by 1 person

      • Idahoboy says:

        Thank you for your insight. This is a corrupted world. To think otherwise is to ignore what has been revealed to us. We need to keep the faith because there is a very good possibility that nothing will come from any of this. The swamp is in control of the world. They are smart and they are wicked. Only faith in the all mighty God will help us to prevail.


    • De Oppresso Libre says:

      Evidently, there are just as many perverts, thieves, and traitors on the right as the left, and it appears that the decision has been made that the system is “too big to fail.” Short of President Trump, AG Sessions, and several honest members of Congress holding a prime time presser to explain to the American people the extent and scope of the debauchery infesting our federal government, there will be no thorough accounting for the guilty. Perhaps karma will intervene, but most likely many of the traitors will have to wait until they face God, and have to make an account of their lives with their own tongues, before they finally receive the justice they have so richly earned.


  5. Don’t focus on the abuse of the FISA application process.

    Focus on the FBI allowing Fusion-GPS to run around that process, months earlier (prior to April 18, 2016), knowing that Fusion-GPS was specifically mining for data damaging to Trump, and was working for Hillary and the DNC. That shows the FBI and DOJ (in the person of Bruce Ohr, who met with Christopher Steele, the author of the infamous dossier) were acting as political agents of the Democrats, against Trump. Committing treason.

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  6. Tim Holden says:

    Most of these are defensive moves by the Deep State. They can be countered. With but a few variants what has to be done is known. The question is when to do what must be done? My guess would be that some moves will occur prior to the midterms, and the powerful moves will occur once the midterms have been won. The President is wily, and he has shown great restraint.

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  7. From the Washington Times, another collusion story but this time it’s between the FBI and the Associated Press and other assorted Trump hating media types.


    Liked by 2 people

  8. Another Scott says:

    And that’s why the Mueller investigation should be stopped. Not allowed to conclude, just pull the plug and the rug out from under them as soon as possible. The people behind it are truly bad guys and the whole special counsel investigation is a slap in the face to you and me.


  9. JenniferVerner says:

    So when is Mueller going away?


  10. dawndoe says:

    So Nunes is a black hat now? Or have I misunderstood?


  11. TTConductor says:

    All of this still leaves me wondering exactly what has caused such a stark shift in Sundance’s (and our collective) point of view. This notion of by-the-book has been out there for some time. I honestly don’t understand its ramifications. I don’t understand how lying on a FISA request could be conceived as a viable, even acceptable practice. Sorry, I’m not connecting the dots. Seems like too many things haven’t gone the way people thought they might and now there is doubt. If I was only picking up this narrative now, as opposed to the reading I’ve done here for the last 6-8 months, I would think that The Big Ugly was a pipe dream that never stood a chance. Thoughts?


  12. sysconfig says:

    He stops only when the same people used him as a gofer boy to hand carry Uranium to the Russians. Think about that… He can’t stop for the same reason Rosenstein kicks the can up the road rather than face the Deep State..which does not play by the rules..
    Looks like we won’t get the closure we want. But maybe we can prevent wwiii. Nunes knows the names of the contractors and people that violated/abused the 702s. Frome Comeys pal in cColumbia. designated as specia employee Fusion..and hopefully Crowdstrike.. Nail Crowdstrike..and we won’t need to see any server. Nail Crowdstrike and you essentially take down the Russian Narrative, along with the Atlantic Council and CFR..they are the front office of the Deep state…..and end the very Mueller Investigation, which bases its investigation from that flashpoint.
    Nunes has the names..they should be released.before NSA erases everything, like the CIA erased the torture tapes.
    It will stop the madness of scrutinizing and lambasting people for being in the same room with a Russian. This isn’t just crazy libs..it is the neocons and neo libs..in office and their think tanks like Billy Crystal..
    If Nunes outs them.and I’m right..maybe some good will come out of this. Frmr Ambassador to Moscow..Jack Matlock came out with a fabulous piece on what a shoddy and deceptive con, blessed by the Gang of eight and the likes of Sen Warner and Richard Burr really was. and proves Sundances point on the politicization of the intell…we have 2 years left to clean it up..


  13. cali says:

    @Sundance: Thank you because it is a thought provoking reality that causes me to recommend that the deep state must be dismantled. In particular the CIA needs to be dismantled rolling our the NSA as the only entity to be used for future intelligence, FISA et al discontinuing the complete apparatus that enabled this hostile takeover of our government by foreign agents or Manchurian candidate and his marry band of foreign agents – down to every office within our government including the ‘gang of eight in the oversight of intelligence and national security related measures’. Even that gang of eight were complicit in the espionage against our president here and abroad.

    Sundance look it that way: How is it that these same entities involved the preventing president trump from winning the election is the same entity(ies) intentionally placing a Manchurian candidate in our white house. If that weren’t enough how is it even conceivable that this Manchurian candidate was able to bring with him and place another 34 foreign agents that could NOT pass their background check nor could they get a security clearance required for the many national and military security positions they were placed in?

    Obama the Manchurian candidate aka as Barry Soberkhah’s records were hidden from the American people. His BC was a forgery yet despite all that he was placed as were his other 34 making up the gang for 8 years into our government.

    Enabled by these same people and individuals involved in the destruction of our president they operated under our noses. So how is that even possible? Next you have the 5EYES alliance who’s purpose is the operation and sharing of intelligence using official channel to exchange intelligence with each affecting anything that could be construed as keeping our country and theirs save.

    Even the 5EYES countries and agents from Germany, Switzerland, Ukraine and Italy helped these same individuals who attempted to prevent the election of resident Trump and then participated in the coup that followed after their op preventing the election failed.

    Finally it is our military patriots who prevented exactly what they could not achieve in both their ops against president Trump. Their plan on election night was to rig the result and call the result fraud. Unknown to many but not to our patriots in the military command Obama and HRC et were in the process of declaring the election of president Trump a fraught that same night he won.

    It took a phone call by our military command to Obama to sternly warn him that if he would continue on their plan that night our military command stood at the ready to do the unthinkable!
    Think about that!

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    • Bobster says:

      do you have any proof whatsoever of the allegations that you make in your last paragraph? if so, please share them with us. thanx.


  14. TomJ says:

    Trump is far from doing nothing. Sessions has put him in a difficult situation. Remember, there are many Republicans that would like to see Trump out also.

    Trump has to walk a fine line here. They have nothing on him. So he has chosen to tough it out rather then taking an aggressive approach that would increase the probability of his removal.

    So far he has done a great job of walking this tight rope. He has increased his support nationwide, He is actively campaigning for MAGA republicans, and he is essentially putting the Dems into positions that will not bode well for them in November.

    Anyone else but Trump would have folded by now. But it still remains that the entire thorn in Trump’s side is Sessions. To allow a special counsel to begin with and then to allow it to continue when finding out the facts and the nature of the SC team is really remarkable.

    You might as well have Lynch or Holder as AG right now the way the AG office is acting. If Trump goes down it will be Sessions that did him in. And if the country goes down , Sessions will be the primary person responsible. Trump performed a miracle in 2016 saving the country but Sessions has for whatever reason put that in jeopardy.

    Liked by 1 person

  15. Sedanka says:

    Thanks for checking in from the Bush era. “Genuine conservative background” LOL. Trump has an actual business background – that’s real life experience – which crushes lifelong political careerists of ANY stripe.

    Liked by 2 people

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  17. rocketride says:

    “The 2015/2016 FISA abuse, search-engine surveillance and the underlying sketchy FISA application against Carter Page, is the lynchpin to the entire unlawful enterprise. In the bigger picture, what happened is also dangerous as heck. That’s the reason why Chairman Devin Nunes and Chairman Goodlatte keep chasing the story behind it.”

    Nice misspelling there. I context, I hope it was deliberate.


  18. Aaron says:

    This a great site with fantastic analysis and reviews. Thank you for doing what you do.

    I did notice the word “public” was left out of Rosenstein’s testimony, which changes the context a bit. Rosey is still a corrupt little weasel incapable of taking responsibility for anything.

    “And I’ve reviewed that one in some detail, and I can tell you the *public* information about that doesn’t match with my understanding of the one that I signed…”


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