AM LO and NAFTA – BIG Multinational Corporate Push To Support Mexican NAFTA Position During Critical Weekend…

U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer and the trade ministers from Canada and Mexico are not in Washington DC this weekend; however the trade staff from all three nations stayed in DC working to finalize agreement on NAFTA with increased urgency.

The nation pushing hardest to complete an agreement quickly is Mexico.  The Mexican national election is July 1st and the soft-Marxist Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador (AM LO) has increased his lead.  AM LO is now 22 points ahead of his next closest competitor. Lopez Obrador, a self-described Hugo Chavez ideologue, is guaranteed to win – and Mexico will become Venezuela 2.0 within five years.

The looming Mexican election, and the radical political departure therein, means if a deal is not made soon, there will be no deal.

Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador will likely nationalize large segments of the Mexican economy for more progressive wealth distribution…. Enter, quickly, and with a transparency in their desperation, the multinational corporations who have already invested hundreds of billions into Mexican ports, transportation infrastructure, raw material procurement contracts, manufacturing/processing and assembly facilities, and all around exploitation of NAFTA as a tariff-free, profit-driven, back-door to the U.S market…

Yes, as oft repeated, there are trillions at stake.

Despite the framing of the media, it is the multinational corporations driving the Mexican time-line now, not the current Mexican government or Mexican Economy Minister Ildefonso Guajardo.

The current heads of Mexican government are fully immersed in their overseas contingency operations; ie. finding safe homes and schools for their families -and their wealth- where stability can be more assured. It is the multinational corporations who cannot move their assets out of Mexico so easily – they are the ones driving the urgency behind the NAFTA talks.

MEXICO – The chief negotiators are scheduled to meet again Tuesday.

Ruiz said the three countries have agreed that the so-called sunset clause — proposed and pushed by the United States — will not automatically lead to the termination of NAFTA if it is not renegotiated every five years.

Instead, it will act as a review mechanism that allows a country to leave the agreement if it is not happy with the results, he said.

With respect to rules of origin as they apply to the automotive industry, probably the most important — and contentious — issue in the negotiations, analysts expect that the three countries will agree to set regional content levels between 70 and 75%.

That range is higher than the current 62.5% content level in order for a vehicle to qualify for tariff-free status but lower than the 85% the United States wanted.

“It’s not that Mexico has given in; what it has done in the face of the United States’ interests is to look for a formula that brings us closer to them,” Ruiz said.

The three countries have previously pledged to speed up the negotiations as much as possible to avoid clashing with domestic political processes.

However, the official campaign period for Mexico’s presidential election has already started and voters will go to the polls in 10 weeks.

On his way into a meeting yesterday, Guajardo told reporters “we are basically working very hard, but I think there’s still a lot of work to do.”

After the meeting, he said that the three countries will need to be flexible to get a new deal quickly, adding that it was unlikely an agreement that only focused on the auto industry would be announced because the aim of the talks is a wide-ranging agreement.

[…] a large business delegation will be present in the U.S. capital this weekend to support Mexico’s negotiating team.

“The whole team is flying . . . to be in Washington, we expect at least 150 to 200 business chamber representatives [to be there],” he said.  (read more)

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196 Responses to AM LO and NAFTA – BIG Multinational Corporate Push To Support Mexican NAFTA Position During Critical Weekend…

  1. Publius2016 says:

    Any American Media company would educate the American People!!! We only have Fake News instead!

    Liked by 10 people

  2. Publius2016 says:

    Why make a deal with Senor O??? O Canada is a disaster already!

    Liked by 8 people

    • Orville R. Bacher says:

      Not 1 Canadian in 10,000 knows Canada is but an assembly plant for Chinese parts shipped to the USA as “made in Canada” to circumvent the purpose of NAFTA. Canadian Media is 100% controlled and always, without exception, spouts lies to dumb down their special brand of sheep.
      Mexico is the same but on a larger scale.

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  3. milktrader says:

    Curious how this eventually plays out. Lotsa moving parts and disappearing chairs.

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  4. 4sure says:

    Don’t rush to sign a agreement for any reason. If the Marxist takes over, what good is a trade agreement when he can just say to heck w/it. If he nationalizes all the mfg. how can we have a
    fair trade agreement? The corps. deserve what they get for trying to screw Americans by fleeing to Mexico. I have no sympathy for them. I hope they lose their shirts.

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    • Sylvia Avery says:

      I don’t understand what anyone, except Mexico, hopes to gain by a renegotiated NAFTA when you look at what is coming? Why would the corporations want this agreement? I am honestly bewildered.

      Liked by 26 people

      • Perot Conservative says:

        +1

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      • Some Old Guy says:

        My question is more fundamental. Why should we expect a Marxist to play by the rules his predessesor hurriedly put in place just before his assumption? New NAFTA or not, I don’t necessarily think a revised Agreement survives midway past the new president’s term.

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        • pigletrios says:

          Ah….much the same as expecting Presidential Trump to adhere to the hastily crafted rules the last administration put into place before leaving office…all for bad reasons.

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      • Mike says:

        Mostly a feint. Trump “cooperates” while the Mexican oligarchy runs out their clock. This disarms or derails the howling jackals of NAFTA beneficiaries and allies while Trump is busy elsewhere.

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      • Sunshine says:

        Corporations don’t vote, it’s the people. And the people want everything for free. Their problem.

        Liked by 6 people

        • KBR says:

          Corporations just choose the candidates the people are allowed to vote for or against, and then count the votes or destroy the votes according to their willl/wills. The corporations also write the legislation and control the media.

          Liked by 2 people

          • Orygun says:

            Nice! You have accurately described our elections for nearly the last 50 years. People quit voting because there was no one to vote for. Corruptocrats or corruptocrat lite is not a choice.

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          • Farmkid says:

            Get real, do we really believe the GlobalistS will allow this guy to get elected, no there will be a “come to Jesus meeting” before he can take a breath, if he is allowed to take a breath. Out of o troll cartels and corrupt cops are so convenient.

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        • Orville R. Bacher says:

          Some people want everything for free, but some people know the value of work, and creating. The former are a group of sadsacks, and the latter are what makes this world turn.

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      • trialbytruth says:

        Sylvia if it was my business or shop the trucks and flat cars would have left there with my equipment months ago. Mexican real estate is cheap and so are the airport hanger style metal buildings that are a modern factory.

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    • chojun says:

      A “free” trade agreement is a two-edged sword. The moment anyone starts nationalizing industries, those companies that are foreign-based (from Mexico’s perspective) will get right out of dodge. Quickly the only thing that will be left are domestic corporations that are owned and run by an *extremely* corrupt government strongly influenced by cartels.

      A psycho socialist in Mexico might be a really good thing for the US in certain ways.

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      • Kristin says:

        Chojun: who will buy the foreign companies who want to leave? Or they will have to forfeit brick and mortar and bring everything else home….

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      • WSB says:

        I would love Lighthizer to add a clause about nationalizing industries as an immediate point of nullification of the agreement.

        That would be sweet to watch! Would give us a big reason for cocktail parties in 10 weeks!

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        • Sunshine says:

          Absolutely essential. Also, BUILD the WALL, now!

          Liked by 8 people

          • EWEatherwax says:

            Maybe we don’t need it, Sunshine. I mean, after all, if Mexico is to be turned into a socialist paradise, all the Mexicans here illegally will want to go home, and those still in Mexico will want to stay and enjoy the bounty of their new “fair” economic system. /sarc

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        • wheatietoo says:

          But the multinational corps would love that.
          It would give them protection.

          So why should we help them out that way?

          I hope we just get out of NAFTA altogether.
          It was a bad deal to begin with and it was designed to screw us.

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          • WSB says:

            It gives an ultimatum to a new fascist dictatorship in Mexico. Bigger than the multinationals.

            Amd teaches everyone a lesson.

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            • wheatietoo says:

              But we want those companies to relocate here in the US.

              So why would we want to protect their continued existence in Mexico?

              You’re advocating an ‘ultimatum’ that would not help us, at all.
              In fact…it would be contrary to our best interests.

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              • WSB says:

                No, it will never happen, that’s all.

                Dictators will never budge. This would just be Kabuki Theater. However, for the lofo people, they would see, “Trump TRIED.”

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              • Jedi9 says:

                That is a very good point, and I agree which IMO is better to wait things out. However, that being said and much to your point, everything negotiated at this point should be with the intent to incentivize companies to move back to the US. The Ford plant that is there is one such example where millions of investment dollars is at risk for them and moving back to US operations might be a way for them to recover what is obviously going to be a loss for bottom line. I just hope we don’t cave to the lobbyists by trying to reach a compromise. IMO, any compromise reached is one in which is designed to be deceptive on the part of the Globalists, therefore skepticism is warranted.

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      • blondegator says:

        They’re going to need a psycho to rid the country of the drug lords & drug culture. The only way to do that is by wiping out the Cartels and their families…..brutal and ugly, just like Duterte in the Philippines. There’s a history of that type of “pacification” in Mexican states, (Guerrero, for example), but it’s going to be a long and bloody war to get rid of the narcos. Columbia did it, Mexico can too, but it won’t be pretty.

        As long as Mexico is willing to put up with the drug trade, and the corruption that comes with it, they rightly should expect NO foreign capital, regardless of who’s in office. It’s that bad there now.

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    • rhinOC says:

      The corporations wanted NAFTA and probably paid a fraction in “donations” relative to what they’ve received in profit, so bad on them, but more so, I blame the politicians that wrote the laws not just allowing it, but encouraging it. Ross Perot is owed a major apology. A lot of politicians I have some respect for (Newt…looking at you) knew exactly where this was going to lead. A lot of us watching Perot on TV in that lengthy TV show he aired with his charts knew this would happen, but just like today, we were the unwashed, know-nothing rabble (now deplorable masses) that didn’t know what was good for us. “Hey….who wouldn’t want cheaper stuff after all?” Uh….people with no jobs or money or hope.

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    • WES says:

      Trump will likely take his time. Time is on his side. He doesn’t have to do anything to win. Trump really isn’t negotiating with the Mexicans anymore than he is negotiating with the Chinese! Trump is really negotiating with Wall Street and their big US corporations to bring jobs back to the US! These are the real enemies of the American people (not to mention Mexican and Canadian worker’s too)!

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    • cozette says:

      Advising the genius who wrote and rsuccessfully acticed the precepts in the international best seller The Art of the Deal for decades? Ok, but why?

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    • freedom says:

      I hope they lose their shirts, too! For so long Americans have paid a heavy price for the greed and disloyalty of corporations that got rich in America and then moved to ‘cheaper’ places. It has hurt our economy and hardworking Americans. God bless Trump, who is the first President to truly understand and try to fix this.

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  5. All Too Much says:

    What will multinationals do if there is no final agreement?

    Liked by 5 people

    • permiejack says:

      The multi nationals are in a lose lose proposition. Their only hope is to lower their costs as much as possible for the short term so they can make plans to move elsewhere (the US hopefully) before Obrador nationalizes them.

      Liked by 13 people

  6. Hillard says:

    Great overview. In that the US is very much in the drivers seat during these negotiations, let’s hope that any trade agreement which allows Mexico to continue to cater to China has at a minimum 25B upfront to build the Wall. Failure to do so will be a major mistake and a missed opportunity. The more Mexico becomes like it’s Central America neighbors the more critical the Wall will become

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  7. CirclinTheDrain says:

    Not sure any of this matters. As soon as nationalization starts Nafta is dead.

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  8. Sylvia Avery says:

    I’m sorry in advance. I do read this and try to understand and I do, sorta, sometimes. But this time I’m lost. Can anyone help me?

    1. Why would corporations WANT NAFTA wrapped up before the Marxist is elected? How will they benefit when Marxist Mexico nationalize/steals all that they have invested in down there? I’d be cutting my losses not looking to entangle myself further. I don’t get it.

    2. For that matter, why would the US want to finalize a trade agreement now with as Sundance says what will be Venezuala 2.0? Why would Mexico honor such an agreement under new management if they decided they didn’t want to?

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    • fleporeblog says:

      Here is why Sylvia!

      We already won with NAFTA! The longer the better. I wrote this the other day:

      Our President is literally destroying Mexico 🇲🇽 and Canada 🇨🇦 because of what he has done with Deregulation, Energy and Tax Reform! The profits Corporations have been announcing this week for the 1st Quarter of 2018 are astronomical. They can thank PDJT.

      The fact that there is uncertainty with NAFTA is the worst thing that can happen to Canada 🇨🇦 and Mexico 🇲🇽. Corporations are beginning the mass exodus out of both countries for the good old USA 🇺🇸. You have bodies floating on the beaches of Mexico 🇲🇽 and deaths in the teens on the same day in Cancun, Mexico. You have terrible conditions in Canada 🇨🇦 based on Corporate Taxes and Regulations.

      These two countries will beg and give our President everything and more to have NAFTA stay around.

      From the thread above:

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    • sundance says:

      Trade is about corporations, not countries per se.

      Corporations are positioning for leverage, the ability to control the outcomes of their prior investments.

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      • Sylvia Avery says:

        TY so much for answering. That makes sense.

        I keep forgetting most of the corporations are multinational now and really don’t have any loyalty to a country, and I get why they’d want to try to maneuver things to get the best position for their bottom line.

        It does seem to me like dancing with the devil, however. Obviously, I’m not cut out for corporate work. All I can see is warning signs flashing and trouble ahead; what I can’t see is how they hope to salvage something of their investment from this mess.

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        • fleporeblog says:

          Our President has ALL of them by the balls and is tightening his grip! When I say ALL of them I am talking about Canada 🇨🇦, Mexico 🇲🇽, CoC, Tom Donohoue, China 🇨🇳, REPUBLICANS and Multinational Corporations.

          Mexico is beyond desperate! That 75% will easily creep up to 80% of automobiles made in North America with 45% coming from the USA 🇺🇸 (we originally wanted 50%).

          Even though there won’t be a sunset provision that kills NAFTA every five years, any country can decide to walk away every five years.

          The Republicans thought they were going to be slick and never vote on NAFTA 2.0 because their corporate masters want the original. Our President is going to kill NAFTA the same day a new NAFTA is announced. He has the legal authority and RINOs would look like complete MORONS to take him to court with a new deal sitting in front of them.

          They will have a choice to either approve NAFTA 2.0 or live with NAFTA being gone never to return again! He truly is surrounded with KILLERS just like himself!

          From the article linked above:

          It could be called President Donald Trump’s version of “take it, or leave it.”

          As top-level ministers gathered in Washington toward the end of this week, the Trump administration has already been thinking about how to get a new NAFTA agreement through both chambers of Congress.

          One strategy that has seemed to gain favor is to force a congressional approval on the new NAFTA by withdrawing from the existing pact even before the new one is ready. The thinking is that Congress will have to approve whatever terms are in the new deal quickly, lest the U.S. is left hanging without an agreement with two of its largest trading partners.

          U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer is said to have advocated for such an approach, according to current and former administration officials.

          The strategy, which has been under consideration for months, figures that Congress may not act on the new agreement, preferring the status quo instead.

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      • Ditch Mitch says:

        SD, attempt to control outcomes. I go back to Cuba 1958-59. Then there was HRC.

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    • Ausonius says:

      Precisely: Socialists/Communists do not follow any treaties they sign, unless the treaty gives them an advantage over capitalist running dogs and/or it puts the evil capitalists at a disadvantage.

      How many millions of Mexicans will be attacking the Rio Grande – instead of living off garbage dumps a la Venezuela – when the Marxist starts running the country downhill? That is the real question for America right now!

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    • MaineCoon says:

      Wish I could help, but I’m not grasping everything. I’m assumimg the EU multinational corps will be on the losing end of the stick when product content is raised and product source back door is closed? Let’s wait until someone else clarifies.

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    • chojun says:

      See my post above.

      I think the simple answer is that it will allow these companies to more easily move into the US and Canada when the Mexican government becomes hostile to them.

      Liked by 8 people

      • Sylvia Avery says:

        Okay, that would seem like a good thing to try for if I were a multinational corp! Thanks!

        Liked by 2 people

      • Orygun says:

        VW has been in Mexico for years. It will be telling to see which way the Germans move VW. Most other German auto companies have built in the US.
        Might have to do some research on this

        I always thought it was funny that VW built a plant in Mexico instead of the US. They seemed to know all this globalist crapola was coming a long time ago.
        Perhaps, they had a seat at the globalist table.

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    • ristvan says:

      Sylvia, I spent near 40 years consulting to, then helping run, big corporate America. Been all over the world doing that, including China, Japan, and many many times to Mexico. I am as confused as you are.
      A true story that may clarify some of our confusion. Once, for a very large German client while I lived in Munich (and still fluent in German), we were ‘strategically auditing’ all overseas operations ‘businesses’. I personally drew Finland, Austria, Italy, Brazil, and Argentina. What follows is Italy only, in two parts. (Boy, have I got more funny stories on all the other countries, also.)
      1. We went to Italian subsidiary HQ, spent a day explaining the strategic ideas and ‘audit methods’, then left behind copies of the audit Frageboben (questionaire). Italy sent in over 100 completed questionaires, one per ‘business’, less than a month later. We ran them through our secret computer checking program looking for inconsistencies. There were NONE! Stunned, I flew to Italy to inquire how such perfection was possible. The national subsidiary CEO took me to a delightful lunch with wine, and confessed. “ You explained what you wanted. We Italians of the subsidiary know our businesses well. So, we held a Frageboden filling out Party one weekend and gave you exactly what you wanted. Now leave us alone, as we are quite profitable.” I caught the next plane back to Munich filled with admiration.
      2. One of the major Italian subsidiary businesses was underground electric grid cables (mainly used for medium/low voltage distribution). Very profitable. Was also a major business for the German parent. BUT, a huge difference. The German parent cable business was plastic coated, the semi-monopolistic Italian subsidiary underground cable business was rubber coated.?!?. So, the Italian CEO explained, ‘underground plastic cables deteriorate in strong sunlight south of the Alps dividing line, so we sell only rubber coated.’ Nod wink, clear antitrust violation— but this was Europe,and had gotten the absurd plastic/rubber distinction written into Italian law.

      So my Nafta confusion assumes there are many such ‘underground cable sunlight deterioration’ scenarios. Hope this helps. The Swamp is vast.

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      • Sylvia Avery says:

        Holy heck. Vast indeed!!

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        • WES says:

          Hi Sylvia: Ristvan is so right! Skullduggery is the name of the game! Local standards are often used to keep foreign competitors out of your market!

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          • piper567 says:

            WAS, Local standards varying I can understand, but the altering of basic laws of oxidation is an impressive feat, even for an Italian.
            I guess its that semi-monopolistic thingy…like the “content issues” USA has spotted in the NAFTA Treaty…where our past negotiators have been, well, semi-monopolistic.

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      • Jedi9 says:

        Your cable story is more or less symptomatic of the throw away society we live in. Keeping the supply and demand in production for years to come by making cheaper products essentially guarantees products to have an expiration date, thus creating a future market for their eventual replacement insures the companies producing such goods has a useful purpose in the future.

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    • John_in_IN says:

      Chrysler is already bailing out- moving some of their light duty truck assembly to Detroit.

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  9. Earl & Pearl Tourist says:

    No NAFTA, and build the wall 10’ higher. We do not need a Venezuela to the south, sucking ~$30B a year from us.

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  10. piper567 says:

    I’m pretty excited ab the prospect of these multi-nationals losing their shirts and coming completely unglued. I’m going to pull a Sylvia, and say I wouldn’t mind them becoming suicidal.
    I do so hope we bail on these people…even if so we can thoroughly enjoy their pi$$-poor ROI…cut off their source of sustained income.
    Now that I think ab it, I’m Really Excited ab it.
    What concerns me is any Congressional role in the termination of any signed Treaty…for we Know that lots of the money coming from these multi-nationals goes straight into the pockets of our “representatives”.
    Someone wish to fill in this detail?

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    • WES says:

      Piper: Big US corporations own all of the congressional critters so Congress will do everything in their power to keep all trade agreements that favour big US corporations in place! Now you know what Trump is up against! Now you know why no Trump nominations are being approved by Rep and Dems! Trump isn’t negotiating with foreign countries, he is negotiating with big crony US corporations who don’t give a sh*t about the average American!

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      • piper567 says:

        WES,
        what I meant was the Congressional role, as in, Do they have to ratify such a Treaty, I gather they do by reading here…I know the drill with NAFTA vs New NAFTA…
        My concern is with the terms of disengagement…
        If, at some point Mexico cheats, will the President be able to pull the Treaty, or does getting out have to go through some Congressional procedure?
        THAT worries me, ’cause for this Congress, that action would disappear down some black hole.

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        • Jedi9 says:

          I don’t think congress can do anything about it if Trump and Co. announce an exit from NAFTA. Any subsequent deal in order to address this issue after such announcement, and “a deal” meaning a bill introduced by congress will still need to be approved by the President which is certain to be vetoed. Even if congress overrode a Veto, The president still would have a huge advantage (leverage) over all of congress and the senate as they would risk being exposed for their complicity, risking further that no doubt will be impetus to rally the base like they never seen before. This maybe part of the Big Ugly that SD has many times referred to. IMO, this is good and it needs to happen, and I am hoping it goes down like this. Remember Andrew Jackson, and it becomes clear that history seems to eerily be repeating itself in some perspective.

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        • Janie M. says:

          piper, just had a thought… if U.S. manufacturers located in Mexico were to have their assets seized, a la Venuzuela, I wonder if that means those corporations would expect a federal bail-out (taxpyers on the hook) to partially recoup their losses. Don’t know what the qualifying criteria is for this.

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  11. AmericaFirst says:

    Act in haste, repent at leisure.

    This lowering to 75% of content is not very helpful for any American doing his/her best to try to buy an American-made car – not that there is such a thing.

    Really hard to feel sorry for these companies who rushed to move their companies out of the country so they could pay lower wages and still have access to the US market; I do my best not to patronize them already.

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    • WSB says:

      If I were a US multinational and saw Venezuela coming at my operation, I would start packing and paying my DC John or Hooker to approve the withdrawl.

      What are the multinationals doing in Caracas at the moment? Maybe I am seeing this all wrong, but if the infrastructure is moot because no one is getting paid, how are we doing?

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      • If I was really evil I would think “I can pay off the new communist President to leave me alone and structure laws to further my business ambitions. He will not want to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. ”
        “The people will be ever more desperate and will work longer hours cheaper. If I can move my product in the USA and get a slice of China’s pass through I will do very well.” The corporations that are staying must either know the bribery & corruption game very well &/or understand the strong arm approach. Soros & the Globalist are devoid of moral strictures, ruthless & remorseless.

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  12. RG. Getard says:

    Agreed. Being from MI I saw the way the corps. cut and ran, looks like a little karma. However I think the upcoming Mexican Election portends the urgency to have the wall constructed and a serious tightening of immigration enforcement. Venezuela is a case study of what can happen whe a country devolves into socialism.

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    • chojun says:

      The thing about Venezuela is that they’ve been socialist for quite a while. They began nationalizing when the oil value crashed and it put them into a death spiral because it looked foreign investment.

      Socialism literally won’t fail until it’s tried.

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  13. Ditch Mitch says:

    NAFTA is dead. Mex and Can are making ridiculous offers out of desperation (by the multinational corporations?). In particular Mexico is desperate. They need an agreement ASAP. Don’t know if an agreement would tilt the election; however, it could “protect” the multinational corporations interests (though I do not see that as protection). Think Cuba 1958-59.

    BTW, love the pic of the Mariachi band and selected “players”.

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  14. FL_GUY says:

    If the people of Mexico knows what happened to Venezuela, they are suicidal to think it would not happen to them under the same system. I guess that their media is making sure they DO NOT know about Venezuela.

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    • Ditch Mitch says:

      Remember most elections in SA are with gun in hand. Other people’s gun. Not really free elections, huh?

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    • WES says:

      Fl_Guy: MSM in Mexico and Canada are controlled by the left just like in the US!

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    • JPR224 says:

      It’s unfortunate to say this but all countries south of the border are absolutely idiotic when it comes to statecraft. They’ve all been dysfunctional in one way or several since the Spanish landed. Stability, a la Colombia, Surinam/Guyana and Panama seem to be the most they can achieve, with the recent glaring exception of Uruguay.

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  15. missilemom says:

    Either Canada and Mexico roll over, or there will be no deal. I almost see these negotiations as a blind date. Go on to practice for the real date…. dealing with China, Japan and South Korea. How would the US protect American companies from nationalization seizure? I don’t think they can if Socialists take power.

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  16. tonyE says:

    I wonder.

    Will the USA allow a Venezuela like Mexico next door?

    Or will the USA simply invade the top third of Mexico? I figure those Mexicans will greet us like Liberadores the second we bring out the toilet paper boxes. Might be much easier to fix the North of Mexico and keep the Mexicans in there while the rest of the county goes down the toilet (with no TP).

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    • TexasDude says:

      Top third of Mexico are poor hell holes controlled by drug cartels.

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    • Earl & Pearl Tourist says:

      How about the United States of “NORTH AMERICA”?
      Of course under our VSGPDJT…

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      • JPR224 says:

        That was the debate back in 1846, haha. And again in 1916 or so among US Army brass like then Col. George Patton when they were sent to punish Pancho Villa. Why not just annex the whole damn country? Problem is it’s worse now. The Great Trump Wall will have more in common with Hardian’s and China’s than anyone thought.

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    • Orygun says:

      By moving our industry down to Mexico and letting them invade our southern states maybe the goal all along has been to start a war between us and Mexico. Then having the UN step in and control everything using the Chinese as proxies.

      That would explain allowing the invasion from the South of people waving Mexican flags.

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  17. Canada entered a trade deal with Asia, who will use the new NAFTA as a back door into the US. I hate to be dense, but I don’t see the advantage of the US to revamp NAFTA at this point. The advantage goes to the multinational corporations who are paying $5.8 million/year/Congressman for lobbying. Congress is representing the multinationals, not their constituents, in pushing NAFTA. What does Lighthizer see that I am missing?

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    • permiejack says:

      Trumps ” the art of the deal”. What you don’t see is the squeezing of the multinationals. The favorable tax benefits of doing business IN America rather than Canada. You mention only Canada but Mexico is also part of Nafta and if you don’t see American benefits there I can’t help you.

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    • WES says:

      Jill: It boils down to Trump negotiating with big crony US corporations whether they are based in China, Mexico, or Canada. Apple represents about 5% of US/China trade deficit!

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  18. TexasDude says:

    Yo, Coca Cola, Ford, etc.

    Get ready to lose all your factories.

    They deserve it!

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  19. Its not much of a threat to say if we don’t reach a deal now, there is no deal after Mexico’s election
    No deal is the ideal place for US where US is out

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    • rhinOC says:

      I think you might be channeling President Trump. Our country has forgotten how to act like a (the only?) Superpower. We live alongside other countries, but it’s not our job to tie our hands behind our backs as has been done since ohhhhh….1963….or so. Our own Senators and Congress people have forgotten their intended powers. A lot of them have been slaves too. I want the best for people everywhere. Their leaders are the problem. Surely if anyone can understand that WE should be able to having been through the last 50+ years.

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  20. Ehlert says:

    The Wall; enforcement of our existing immigration laws; E-Verify; cut-off benefits to all non-citizens, etc. If Obrador is good for one thing, let’s hope his victory will stimulate the application of urgency to these matters. Time is of the Essence.
    Fortunately our man in the WH is on it.

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  21. NAFTA deal won’t protect corporations from Hugo-like leader

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  22. rhinOC says:

    I think it’s clear from the media that my responsibility as a US Citizen is to destroy the jobs of my fellow Middle Class workers that use both their minds and their hands. Surely just another 20 or 30 years of gigantic trade imbalances, immigration of those without skills to work at home and supporting hostile regimes won’t be that bad. It’s our duty. I suggest we outsource our defense to Russia and China as an indication of friendship too. Or blow them up. I get confused.

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  23. emet says:

    When Mexico nationalized their petroleum industry and created Pemex, they took the assets of US and Dutch companies. Tell the we want our stuff back, with interest. And they build the wall.

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  24. MontanaMel says:

    I, too, wondered about that possible partition/segregation concept… Where are the major/high tech multi-national plants in relation to that 1/3rd line location? I could see that happening very easily if say 60-70% of those new plants were in that northern zone… We’ll need more “walls” and taller walls…. AND…someone is going to have to “run the show” so that everyone up north gets fed at least 1700 calories daily…This would also provide a “buffer” between the USA and any “drugs/terrorists” coming our way, eh?… between say 100-200 miles of “hostile territory”, a few 10’s of millions of hungry and pissed off “residents” (who, once in charge, we could carefully vet and then arm – they can’t be armed in Mexico now)….and, then, our “wonderful walls…with snakes and auto fire drones between them… Where is George Lucas when you need him, eh?… (BTW: where are those silver mines down there, eh??? – that income could offset the welfare tab for food) Someone in the back of the room is waving both hands….WHAT about the UN, he says?? We simply say: What’s a UN – they left the building yesterday!…
    Check-6

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    • Maquis says:

      MultiNational Non/Anti-American Mammon Loyalists simply want us so deep in the stupid with them in Mexico that when Marx rolls in we will bail them out. Protection, fighting for return of assets or compensation on their behalf, even an invasion to put down the Socialist Chaos and take care of the feckless seditionists with big exposure down there.

      MultiNationals will try to convince us that we need them, need to protect them, even as they steal our jobs and our wealth and have given China a SuperHighway taking us to Hell. Screwing China alone makes killing NAFTA worthwhile. Eroding the value and raising the risks of screwing us over may prompt some to come home and be American, and maybe earn our patronage.

      I see this move by the MultiSmashables as dragging the American Taxpayer, and our Military, into a “Too Big to Fail” financial apocalypse. Hell, they may try to obtain guarantees of security, not from their stealing partners, not from the Chinese, but from our hides. I will be looking for such language when we get a look at it, if it doesn’t die a quick death soon.

      The Backstabbers of America want us as Human Shields against the Socialist Bloodbath to come. They want to chain Americans to the fate that they themselves earned, by screwing us.

      IT IS A TRAP.

      GBPDJT
      🇺🇸

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  25. There’s something odd with NAFTA. EU just negotiated a trade deal with Mexico. Why is any country in NAFTA permitted to negotiated a trade deal on their own. What’s the point of a trade block? EU negotiated as a block

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    • permiejack says:

      We are currently in Nafta and we have numerous trade deals throughout the world. We can negotiate them at any time as can any other country. If I’m wrong please correct me.

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    • i2choose says:

      That is what it should be, not what it is. Thus the loophole to screw the USA…. POTUS knows it, he will sort it out. Soon people will stop underestimating him.

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  26. Deplorable_Infidel says:

    “the multinational corporations who have already invested hundreds of billions into Mexican ports, transportation infrastructure, raw material procurement contracts, manufacturing/processing and assembly facilities, and all around exploitation of NAFTA as a tariff-free, profit-driven, back-door to the U.S market…”

    Screw ’em.

    I will not feel sorry for them if they lose it. All of it.

    They should have stayed in countries were their investments were safe. How many times since the dawn of the industrial age has that happened?

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    • Sylvia Avery says:

      I know, right? This is CLEARLY not an area where I have a lot of knowledge, but heck even I can remember being a school kid and learning about some sh*t hole country in South America where US companies (there were such things, then) had invested tons of money in oil exploration, development, refining…and everything was grins and giggles until the commies took over and “nationalized” the industry and they took it, and our companies were left with nada.

      I still remember that, even though the class was dull and I was busy day dreaming about how cute Robby was and drawing little hearts on my PeeChee…THAT somehow got through my head because I was so shocked. I couldn’t believe they could do that! It was obscene!

      If I can pull that out of my memory banks, you’d think these big deal corporate geniuses could as well. But I suppose they calculated the risk and reward on a spreadsheet and decided it was an acceptable risk. So, sucks to be you big multinational corp.

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      • Maquis says:

        They seem to think that raping us with NEW NAFTA will somehow make it all better…

        Pull out of NAFTA. Any future bilateral…with a 100% Shithole Mexico, just ain’t gonna happen. UNLESS, Trump inserts a clause that any Nationalization, or threats or open musings about such a prospect, will negate the deal and Mexico will be required to stand aside as we recover all the assets with the assistance of our Military, should we see fit to do so, and we will send back every single non-naturalized Mexican and every other flavor of Shithole Citizens. Greencards will be worthless, Citizen or GONE, forever.

        Then again, those cheap multi-national bastards could stand to lose a shirt or two… Get out NOW, Morons!

        You know, I think they know damn well what’s coming, and the MultiSeditionals simply want the US to be as stuck as they are. Get us fully invested and maybe we’ll send in our Military to bail them out when Marx rolls around.

        They are trying to hold us hostage to force our protection of their Non/Anti-American asses.

        We are to be their Human Shields.

        IT’S A TRAP!!!
        💀

        GBPDJT
        🇺🇸

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        • piper567 says:

          Maquis, with the negotiators we have now, I am not overly concerned ab the US being raped by the likes of Mexico or Canada.

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          • Maquis says:

            Piper, I suspect you are right, and surely hope so I’m gonna write a.note to PDJT right now just to air my thoughts about the insanity of tying our fate to those two treacherous losers.

            We need to be able to walk, at any time we choose, if Mexico facilitates the Chinese Invasion and goes all Marx on their own asses, and Canada opens the door to all the TPP opportunists.

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          • Orygun says:

            I think this will die on the vine when the Mexican government and Canadian government finish turning their countries into ungovernable heckholes. This trade agreement will die at that point with our blessing. I don’t think that President Trump really expected it to go anywhere but like all things he does was just using it to awaken us to what is really going on behind our backs.

            Most of what our President does is to focus us on the corruption and graft around us. NAFTA is a glaring example and our President has this.

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    • Black Irish Rose says:

      What sort of impact will these companies’ losses have on the US economy? Short term, I imagine another jolt to markets, but long term it will be a far better deal for all of us. Thoughts? I just want to be mentally prepared if/when my retirement funds and brokerage account take another hit this year as we right the terrible wrongs done to this country for decades by multinational corps., lobbyists, and our corrupt politicians…..Thanks in advance, Treepers

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      • WES says:

        Black: I seriously doubt very much will happen quickly. These big US crony corporations own people on both sides of the border! What they want is for NFTA-1 to remain in effect and that is what congressional critters Rep and Dem are trying to do too! What they want has never been in the interest of the average American/Canadian/Mexican. If Trump does negotiate a new NFTA-2 agreement he is hoping Congress will approve it verses letting NFTA-1 expire and ending up with no agreement at all! So really Trump is negotiating with the big crony US corporations not Mexico, Canada, or China!

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  27. Zippy says:

    “Lopez Obrador, a self-described Hugo Chavez ideologue, is guaranteed to win – and Mexico will become Venezuela 2.0 within five years.”

    Just imagine how vitally important border security will be then! Otherwise, WE will become Venezuela 3.0 after being flooded with Democrat voters.

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  28. MontanaMel says:

    Forgot:
    What’s stopping those multi nationals from boxing up those “new/high tech plants” and shipping them into storage in say El Paso (They’ll be lost out in the tank trails)…Wait for the chaff to fall back to earth and then figure out where to un-crate them… Which won’t be back in Mexico I’m betting!… Otherwise, they getting nationalized is on their own hook… Now, that is one annual stockholders’ meeting I’d like to make… (drawing and quartering is a lost art, eh?)…

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    • WSB says:

      I am not sure if there is a lame duck period after a Mexican election, but that is what I would be doing…

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    • WES says:

      Montana: Reality is most of these plants are quite specialized and require a lot of expertise to run. They often have just one market so for the socialist to try and take them over and run them pretty much equals shutting them down! What the socialist will do instead is to pass new laws to unionize the workers or take over (nationize) existing unions! Basically this begins a slow death. Worker’s often end up in worse shape because more and more of their wages start going to the government! Sound familiar!

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      • piper567 says:

        WES, it DOES sound familiar.
        Didn’t we just hear that the oil workers just recently abandoned the fields in Venezuela?

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      • Maquis says:

        Can’t really credit Socialists with being terribly forward looking… Every Communist Revolution focused first and foremost on liquidating the educated, the skilled workers and managers that knew how to run a particiular factory or process. Every time they had to start anew.

        It’s gonna be Hell down there no matter which way Hugo Lopez goes with his destructive bloodthirsty ideology.

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  29. rhinOC says:

    Still my hero! A president that personally went on a raid to save employees from being hostages in Iran? Nawww…who’d want a guy like that! The original Trump! Debate with Al Gore over NAFTA 1993. https://youtu.be/5XEziSYRqhU

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  30. This is why US need the wall quickly. Leftist Mexican will destroy their own country then try to move to US and destroy US by voting in more Leftist politicians

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  31. phoenixRising says:

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  32. The Devilbat says:

    Being a communist, Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador will simply revoke any and all new agreements. Any deal with Mexico is going to end up being a complete and utter waste of time.

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  33. bessie2003 says:

    I’m assuming that Mexico, Canada, as well as, given the stories that the EU based companies are busy negotiating deals for their business in Mexico, in such a hurry to see US re-up with NAFTA is (a) they believe that we are a stupid, and (b) that President Trump will be a 1 term President.

    Short sighted, not understanding the people who voted to MAGA; these are two promises I remain confident will be kept,

    that our HE- VSG PDJT – will indeed walk away from NAFTA and will Build The Wall, Locking ‘er up will just be icing on the cake.

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  34. Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador will likely nationalize large segments of the Mexican economy for more progressive wealth distribution…
    I am so unclear as to why we should sign any deal with Mexico now if Obrador will change everything once he gains power. To be like Chavez means he won’t honor any type of treaty.

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  35. Gary Ingle says:

    Our weak point in all of this is supply chain management. Disruptive supply chain means delays in delivery of US goods from both countries. All three countries know this and it ain’t just auto deliveries coming out of Mex\Can! It has to be slow walked or we suffer the same…

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  36. czarowniczy says:

    I’m seeing that the main player in the port and infrastructure building in Mexico is China. China’s building NAFTA ports in Mexico – the Punta Colonet one’s planned to replace the Long Beach porting (US labor is too expensive) and the ports in mainland Mexico are set to put containers on railroad cars that will zip into the US, hitting customs at San Antonio and zooming into major distribution centers to be built here for breakdown and rerouting. Mexican truckers will drive individual containers up along the Trans-Texas corridor to redistribution centers or even to end users, again undercutting US Teamster costs. Expected savings have been guestimated at up to 50% over US labor costs by using Mexican longshoremen and teamsters.
    What laughingly passes as the Mexican government’s having enough trouble dealing with the cartels who have just slightly less power than the federales but add Chinese who’ll be less than happy at their Mexican investments being diddled with…all sorta interesting possibilities. When those Mexican workers start gettin’ all uppity about Chinese business interersts depressing their wages to keep Chinese goods cheap in America…ahhhh, the delicious irony.
    We have a potential mess brewing down there that’s even bigger than the mess there now but that’s going to be someone else’s problem.

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  37. Paco Loco says:

    Costco and WalMart already invaded Mexico.

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  38. Maquis says:

    Kill it!

    We don’t need no steenking maquiadoras!

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  39. Rich Van Slooten says:

    One point that needs to be emphasized. Corps do not have any memory. Individuals only have memories. Corps will keep making the same mistakes as in the past because of short term $$ and no long term personnel. Check it out if you don’t think so. Corps do not teach their own history… esp where bad mistakes were made.

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  40. scott467 says:

    “Enter, quickly, and with a transparency in their desperation, the multinational corporations who have already invested hundreds of billions into Mexican ports, transportation infrastructure, raw material procurement contracts, manufacturing/processing and assembly facilities, and all around exploitation of NAFTA as a tariff-free, profit-driven, back-door to the U.S market…

    Yes, as oft repeated, there are trillions at stake.”

    ____________________

    Why do the multinational corporations care who wins?

    As long as it’s not somebody like Trump, i.e., so long as it’s just another corrupt politician, the globalist multinational / bankster / fraudster corporate octopus will just buy him off the same way they buy off nearly all of our political-class criminals.

    Why would they be worried?

    No doubt both Mexican candidates are already wholly owned puppets of the villain-class anyway.

    They’ll be just fine.

    The Mexican People who apparently are going to vote for this Obrador clown, on the other hand, won’t be fine.

    Not fine at all.

    Apparently they are content on committing national suicide, just as the Leftist lobotomy-class in our own country would do, given the opportunity.

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    • piper567 says:

      Scott,
      I am very interested in how it is that Nations are being identified so clearly as those who are willing to commit cultural suicide vs those who wish to live, and live free at that.
      I think this is a main theme in assessing much of what is going on right now, as we all can see.
      I believe this division will maybe result in some interesting National re-alignments over the next several decades.
      In addition, I actually believe we had a sneak peek into this ongoing battle when Trump spoke in Warsaw.
      There may eventually be no person alive who will be able to defend a socialistic model, even irrationally. But there just may also be a period of real revolution as these competitions continue to be more defined.

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      • KBR says:

        Nations “willing to commit cultural suicide” are nations without a second amendment.

        Even we who still have a 2nd amendment were well on the way to cultural suicide until PDJT stood up.

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  41. nm says:

    Walk away from it now, it won’t matter what they agree too: this Socialist will ruin what is left of that country….build that wall fast….he Is going to nationalize all their industry anyway, those multinationals are screwed unless they can bribe this fellow, like they do everybody else….

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  42. scarlettbr says:

    As others have commented, why would a marxist government abide by any agreement. If history tells us anything, Cuba is the perfect example, Companies and all private ownership in Cuba was quickly seized. Why would Mexico be any different?

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  43. Michael says:

    IMO the yellowstream media will be flooding the airwaves and interweb with endless video of starving mexicans demanding we let them all in in the name of humanity! Sooner of later if we are to have a country we must control our borders.

    A wall would be a great start but if AMLO Venezuelanizes Mexico it will come to war.

    American lives will be lost cleaning out Mexican corruption.

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    • JPR224 says:

      You’re spot on about that prediction. These marxist maggots only have two operating principals: Pity, Fear and Guilt Complexes. Everything they say or do hinges on one of these three. They will no doubt try to use MX’s implosion post Trump.

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  44. VeritasVincit says:

    Well, for what it’s worth I say, when all the dust settles we’ll get what The Donald wants. It may not necessarily be what WE want or expect, but it WILL be what The Donald wants. He’s been real good at thinking OUTTA THE BOX.

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