Moments ago FISA Court Presiding Judge Rosemary Collyer responded to the requests from the House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes and House Judiciary Chairman Bob Goodlatte. (full pdf’s below – #1 and #2)
There are nuances in each response specific to the statutory roles of each Chairman and the specific requests made by each committee. Reflected in Judge Collyer’s responses is a need for careful consideration of each unique request.
♦House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes holds primary oversight authority over the aggregate Intelligence Community (IC). Chairman Nunes has requested the transcripts from the FISA Court during the DOJ/FBI Title-1 surveillance application over their target, U.S. person Carter Page.
♦House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte holds primary oversight authority over the Department of Justice -including the FISA court- and has requested the actual FISA Title-1 application as submitted by the DOJ/FBI for surveillance of Carter Page.
Judge Collyer responds to both legislative branch chairmen from the position of “never previously receiving such requests.” There are separation of power challenges, but also an understanding inherent in the response to Chairman Goodlatte of the unique statutory oversight his committee holds.
The Legislative Branch created the FISA Court system; however, the secret court resides in the Judicial Branch. Judge Collyer is taking both requests under consideration and asks both Chairmen to consider seeking relief from the Executive Branch with requests directly to the DOJ for the majority of the information they seek.
However, there is an underlying issue not being discussed within the communication – yet visible in the corner amid their engagement. That issue is the possibility the DOJ may have modified the FISA documents within its possession in an effort to hide from congress the trail of a conspiracy against a presidential candidate and an incoming administration.
In essence, the FISA documents held by the court *may not be* identical to the FISA documents released by the Department of Justice. Chairman Goodlatte is seeking to rule out that possibility.
Here are the responses.
To Chairman Nunes (seeking transcript):
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To Chairman Goodlatte (seeking documents):
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As a reminder (for context and discussion). The only people who have actually seen the FISA Title-1 Application are:
♦The officials in the DOJ and/or FBI who assembled it. Those people are unknown but presumed to be from the DOJ – National Security Division. (Possibly: John P Carlin, Mary McCord or similar).
♦The presiding FISC judge who approved the application. (Possibly: Judge Rudolph Contreras – though no concrete evidence therein).
♦The three congressional representatives who have viewed the application as presented by the DOJ for the construction of the various memos:
•HPSCI member Trey Gowdy;
•HPSCI ranking member Adam Schiff;
•and House Judiciary Chairman ¹Bob Goodlatte.
¹Chairman Goodlatte has viewed the FISA application as presented by the DOJ and is requesting to see the same application as presented by the FISA court.
The assumption is that laws were not broken.
But laws were broken.
We know this because the DNI released the 99 page FISC Memorandum/April 2017:
“FISC historically had discretion to publish its opinions, and in some cases it did so. However, Congress imposed new transparency requirements in the USA Freedom Act, seeking to make the court more publicly accountable. The Director of National Intelligence now must review each FISC order or opinion to determine whether it “includes a significant construction or interpretation of any provision of law.” Any orders that do must be made public “to greatest extent practicable,” although when “necessary to protect national security” it may be permissible for the ODNI to release a “summary of the decision.”
https://epic.org/privacy/surveillance/fisa/fisc/
Continuing to read about the USA Freedom Act…..
Unmasking: “The USA Freedom Act did not include significant changes to Section 702. However, Congress did prohibit introduction or disclosure of evidence obtained under government certifications or procedures found to be “deficient concerning any United States person,” and made clear that such improperly collected information shall not be “used or disclosed” in any other manner by the Federal government.”
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Congress could cut off funding for the entire Judicial branch unless they give up the documents. Remember the Golden Rule: He who has the gold rules.
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They wouldn’t even cut off Obamacare subsidies.
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No need.
Cut off funding for the Supreme Court – beginning specifically with Chief Justice Roberts – until he cleans out the FISA JUDGE CABAL for dereliction of duty that has endangered both our Bill of Rights protections and National Defense: They have clearly FAILED to VET the FISA WARRANT APPLICATIONS with the Due Diligence required by law.
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Supreme Court Justice John Roberts needs to step in and tell the judge to do the right thing and release the doc. He is probably the one who coerced the Judge to step down from prosecuting Mike Flynn since that judge was the one who had approved the FISA investigation of Flynn.
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I agree with you about cutting off funding, but of course Congress has authority over the courts if they pass a law defining what they want to do. Unfortunately, the Majority Party of the Senate has decided to abide by the 60 vote cloture blah blah, which I think they could get rid of, but instead they voluntarily choose to lose battles/decisions.
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The Nunes requests should have been sent to the DOJ – and the DOJ should BE FORCED TO WALK THE DOCUMENTS over to Congress IN 24 HOURS – or be held in contempt and sent to prison on the spot!
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If anyone has the app to unroll twitter threads @DaveNYviii has a great take on this https://twitter.com/DaveNYviii/status/964507838994419712
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DaveNYviii’s take is the same one I had after reading the judge’s letter. I got the impression that DOJ had told Nunes / Grassley that the court would object to them sharing. This judge just told everyone “no objection” and took that away. She’s the same judge who wrote the 99 page order jumping all over the govt for FISA abuse.
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To unroll twitter threads, just reply to any tweet in the thread with:
@threadreaderapp unroll
and you will receive the unrolled thread in a few minutes
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I seem to recall that today is the deadline day when certain documents were to be produced for someone (Goodlatte? Nunes?).
Perhaps someone can jog my memory as to what these were and who had requested them?
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Shocka! Nice response!
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He bought an AR15 a year ago and they were told about him 5 months ago. At minimum they should have cross checked gun purchases to see if he owned fire arms. And I don’t believe they could not identify who this person was. If that is the case, then we should completely disband the FBI because they are incompetent boobs!
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My suspicion is that the FBI were instigators in the Florida shooter event. Maybe some kind of false-flag event to take attention away for the shooting in front of the NSA building that morning. Remember the FBI also “knew” about the shooter at the Orlando night club. The FBI had mucho contact with this Muslim homophobic terrorist. Additionally, there has been speculation with regard to the Boston Marathon bomber, i.e., about what the FBI knew and when they knew it.
It is instructive to remember that the FBI doesn’t give a flip about American citizens. Shooters are just thinning out the deporables as it were. They are embroiled in their conspiracy to take down a sitting, democratically, constitutionally elected president─ President Donald John Trump. Therefore, the FBI must in the honored tradition of the Obama administration: “never let a crisis go to waste”.
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If he wasn’t on a no-buy list when he purchased a long-gun, too bad later on. That data is NOT stored, nor should it be. If you are not one a no-buy list (felon, domestic violence, terrorist, etc.), you have a constitutional right to walk out of the store with your purchase.
Once the crazy was on the FBI radar, that is when they should have acted, whether or not he had bought, or stolen, or found, or whatever, a firearm before he came to their notice.
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Judge Jeanine just said on Hannity that there are only 13 “Nikolas Cruz” in America, so yes, ID would have been easy.
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They didn’t want to find him ’cause that would mess up the, we need common sense gun laws, narrative, dontcha know?
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That’s exactly what I think. Same with Las Vegas.
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Protocols were not followed on purpose. Orders from their communist god Obama.
Part of the plan to destroy America.
I would not doubt it if the FBLie and ChitIA are on line pushing the buttons of Antifa, Black lives, etc and people like Cruz.
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In addition to this, someone posted a Daily Mail article with something like 39 different times police were called to his house. Violence, mental health, abuse etc. were reported.
The guy who reported the comment on his web site had the name back in September 2017, the FBI was told again the name on January 5th, and a 3rd time on Valentines Day – after he had killed and maimed. The guy who gave the tip in September was called within hours of the shootings.
I am being constantly reminded by folks in the FBI/DOJ and media that vast majority of the FBI are hardworking patriots. Where exactly can this vast majority be found? They aren’t down here in Florida (or DC) as near as I can tell.
Sorry to paint with a broad brush but this is just another terrible example of the incompetence that seems institutional in Comey’s FBI and jugears’ federal government in general – that continues to live on.
The swamp can not be drained fast enough for me.
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No more “-gates”. How about “FIS-abuse”?
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How about Greasygate? Still has the gate though and I know what you mean. We need something really catchy and sinister.
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Drudge says Mueller indicted 16 Russians…
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Suddenly I am hungry for a ham sandwich on Russian rye.
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And a side salad with Russian dressing
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*IF* true, it provides the Swamp a smoke screen and supports their narrative that Trump’s election was due to fraud.
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Yes, apparently in the muh Russia world it only takes 16 Russians to throw an American election.
Whatever fools……..why not start investigating Mexico and Canada for election manipulation. Because that would never happen….snicker. Idiots. It never ends with these fools.
Let me know when Russia has 11-20 million illegals voting here. Or La Raza and other Mexican political groups taking lobbying money from the Drug Cartels to sway our votes and politicians.
Whatever Mueller…..Bueller? Mueller? Bueller?
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Link goes to CNBC and shows headline……
Special counsel Mueller: Russians conducted ‘information warfare’ against US during election to help Donald Trump win.
Now ask yourself, do you really think the Russians wanted Trump. LOL They wanted a weak America with Obama & then Clinton.
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I noticed no Trump Russia collusion in those indictments.. Also it seems those Russians were supporting both Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump… I wonder if Mueller is going after Soros too..
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This is crazy. We get enough propaganda from within the US. A little bit from Russia isn’t a problem.
And what about Obama going to the UK and outright telling them if they voted for Brexit he’d send them to the “back of the queue”? How is that not interference?
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Because the entire world doesn’t believe a word out of Obama’s mouth. snicker.
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I guess the UK doesn’t have the same kind of foreign interference laws that we do? I would think they do, it’s not like they are back woods hicks, shoot we got a lot of our stuff from them!
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OK, have read the indictment document. These people were pretty egregious and deserve to be charged.
Looking forward to the new thread about this topic! Sundance is typing away as we speak …
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even worse he sent administration officials and spent TAXPAYER money against Bibi in the last Israeli elections…….(crickets)
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Chairman Goodlatte has viewed the FISA application as presented by the DOJ and is requesting to see the same application as presented by the FISA court.
Goodlatte is going to have to just spell it out then, tell Collyer he needs to see the FISC version of the application to ensure that it’s the same as the DOJ version. Either that or someone tell Collyer to visit this web site for some insight. 🙂
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It appears increasingly likely the Obama Justice Department and FBI produced two sets of FISA documents. The first would be the actual document to the FISA court that requested authorization for the Obama Regime spy on Trump Associates. The second document that was given to Congress was most probably a fake FISA request, intended to mislead.
These Obama shenanigans remind me of the Marc Rich case. Marc Rich was a wealthy donor to the Clinton’s and the Democratic Party. He owned several companies. He kept two sets of books, one that was phony and allowed him to pay lower taxes, and the other that was accurate. He was tried in court and convicted and fled to his Swiss compound. His former wife, Denise Rich and others lobbied for a pardon from Mr. Clinton. Money changed hands. Pres. Clinton pardoned Marc Rich on his last day in office. The pardon was O.K. By acting Attorney General Eric Holder.
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https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/Russians-Indicted-US-Election-Meddling-Mueller-474309733.htmhttps://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/Russians-Indicted-US-Election-Meddling-Mueller-474309733.html
“The indictment also said that those charged staged political rallies inside the United States, posing as Americans and U.S. grassroots group. Some of them communicated with “unwitting individuals associated with the Trump Campaign and with other political activists to seek to coordinate political activities.”
So is this the end? Is this how this whole thing dies? If it is there is going to be a lot of rendering of clothes and gnashing teeth.
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Yeah, 16 Russians. Meanwhile we have 11-20 million illegal aliens from Mexico here…..some of them voting. What a load of crap, eh?
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Noticed Mueller himself signed the indictments.
Much of it was old – even Wikipedia summarizes and no one was indicted before. This looks like a face saving indictment- see there were Russians – 16 total that they’ve known about, and did nothing, for several years.
Maybe they should indict the illegal aliens voting for and actively supporting the Democratic Party.
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that is DEMOCRAT Party……Democratic is an action and democracy is a process
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He’s proven that by inappropriately pawing children in front of their parents at swearing in ceremonies….
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As I noted on the open thread, there will be claims of international (esp Russia) election tamperimg until Texas goes blue and conservatives out of elections for decades…..then every election will be pristine as the wind driven snow.
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Russians may have interfered but I still can’t see how a Trump presidency is any benefit to Russians. No word about domestic groups like BLM and SEIU along with Soros groups causing violence during the election, especially against Trump.
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There’s plenty of foreign election influence with hillary and her foundations. Mueller just did a token indictment, looks like right out of Wikipedia on the companies, on a few already known Russian organizations- rather than open a hornets nest. But Rosenstein only referenced the Russians in the Special counsel investigation.
Recall PTrump tweet:
Dopey Prince @Alwaleed_Talal wants to control our U.S. politicians with daddy’s money. Can’t do it when I get elected. #Trump2016
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The Russians may well have interfered, but ON BEHALF OF THE KLINTOONS!!!
Seems Hildie &co. gave them some VERY strategic US ASSETS. And MuleBEAST was involved in that, too…
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Might as well be the Klingon’s…qaStaHvIS yln wo.
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I remember a while back (months ago) reading about ads that were leading people to SJW web sites. How is that pro-Trump and anti-Hillary?
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Document states that the interference was pro-Sanders and pro-Trump. There we go. It wasn’t really about Trump, it was just about preventing the mainstream candidates from being elected.
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Was pro-Stein too. But MSM will never mention Sanders and Stein, I’ll bet.
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I can’t find any evidence of a rally called “Florida goes Trump”. I have done a google search with dates restricted, from Jan 1 2016 through Dec 31 2016. Anyone else find anything? Were there any actual rallies?
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From page 23:
Defendants and their co-conspirators organized a rally in New York called “Trump is NOT my President” on or about Nov 12 2016.
Defendants and their co-conspirators organized a rally entitled “Charlotte Against Trump” on or about Nov 19 2016
Obviously this is not pro-Trump. It’s just pro-disruption. They were just trying to create mayhem.
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They were supporting Bernie, Stein, and Trump. Once elected, they conducted a “Trump is not my president” campaign. Seems to me their goal was to just cause political turmoil.
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Exactly. So we must not allow anyone to propagate the nonsense that they specifically wanted Trump to win. Now that I’ve read this document it’s very clear.
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Yes, and right off the bat the CNBC headline says these indicted Russians acted to help Trump.
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Expected but infuriating nevertheless. Who needs the Russians when our citizens are being dumbed down by propaganda from within the country?
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I had to turn Trish Reagan off. She was apoplectic that the Russians convinced everyone to be divided and angry. “Putin won!”, was her focal point.
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In that indictment document they listed the ads the Russians bought. I never saw one of them. I also never saw any calls for Trump rallies other than the ones Trump set up himself. I wish there were a way to measure exactly how much influence the Russian effort had.
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There is:
step 1 – pinch your thumb and forefinger together
step 2 – hold them up in front of your face where you can see
step 3 – open them about the thickness of a dime
There ya go
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It didn’t take any Russians to cause political turmoil. We see politicians do it to themselves daily.
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There are some inescapable facts not being said here.
The Russians have been working to influence our elections and disrupt our government for over 100 years, since the COINTERN was founded. By the way, the US does the same to their friends and enemies alike.
This internet stuff is not new but was public knowledge, even when it started. This is Mueller saving face and giving CNN and NBC spin material, which they have already started to use by reporting only Trump related data.
During public testimony; Clapper, Brennan and Comey all categorically stated Russian activities did not impact the election. Plus, Joe Biden (as President Pro-Temp of the Senate) essentially did the same when he shut down all protests by Democrats at the congressional session certifying the election results.
Speaking of Obama’s vaunted INTEL, DoJ and FBI leadership; how is it that it took over 3 years for this stuff to become know and action to be taken.
These social media ctivities did not prevent Hillary from traveling to battleground states, calling us “deplorables”, fixing the Democrat Primary, taking over $300 million from Arabian Peninsula Sources for her election, and conducting Operation Trump via the FBI and DoJ.
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I think the “FISA Court Presiding Judge Rosemary Collyer Responds to Chairman Nunes and Chairman Goodlatte Request for FISC Documents” is just starting.
This FISA Court should not exist and yet FBI Director Wray and Senators Charles Grassley of Iowa support it.
To this very clean terms. Would the Russian -Dossier conspiracy to over throw the setting President of the United States have existed with out the FISA Court?
Would millions of dollars have been wasted on investigations in order to clear the setting president from false accusations?
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Chairman Goodlatte, is one smart cookie.
“In essence, the FISA documents held by the court *may not be* identical to the FISA documents released by the Department of Justice. Chairman Goodlatte is seeking to rule out that possibility.”
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Collyer is playing stupid though. “You can get them from the DOJ, why don’t you just do that then?” Someone needs to spell it out for her. Granted it wasn’t spelled out in their letters to her.
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It is my understanding that the FISA warrants have been in existence for over 50 years. How many people, thought they could control the FISA process?
My friend, it’s impossible, you need only look at the most recent mess or the numbers showing us how many warrants were approved. Statistically impossible.
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I believe the FISA Act was established in either 1974 or 1978… my date recall is not perfect. So approximately 40 years. It was established so that the NSA could continue to operate, but provide “constitutional protections” to the American people. Even though the Patriot Act increased the scope of NSA activities, it did not fundamentally alter the FISA process. However, it seems the FISA process was fundamentally altered during the Obama administration [mass unmasking of US ID… by a State Departement (non-IC) Ambassador to the UN… why would such an official have authorization to conduct??]
I believe the entire FISA process is unconstitutional… a secret court, a secret judge, a secret hearing to secretly grant a secret warrant does not fit the 4th Amendment.
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Let me state that I do believe in the mission of the NSA, but not how it is carried out or organized. It should be organized under the US Navy (constitutionally permanent military) and operated solely as a military operation. No civilians, no “contractors”. Military court-martial for abuses. I also agree with another post – on another page, i think – that the FBI/ATF etc ought to be disbanded and all necessary federal law enforcement power be in the US Marshals Service. The Marshals could handle any necessary “FISA” issues, as our military should not be used against Americans. Furthermore, any legal action taken as a result of “FISA” surveillance should result in the immediate handing over of all “FISA” applications, etc. to the defense attorney.
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Or to expose the likelihood that they may not be identical.
I think Collyer is one smart cookie also. She is working this like all the other leads in the investigation of the “investigation.” Essentially Collyer is calling out the DOJ.
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I don’t read her response that way at all. She’s saying “get it from the DOJ”, and as Sundance pointed out a few have already read the DOJ’s version. It’s like she doesn’t want to give up the FISC version.
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By calling out the DOJ Collyer wants to see what version the DOJ releases. One of three things happen here:
DOJ releases same version, a different version or refuses to release any version.
Since the FISA application was originated in the executive branch PDJT can order release of all versions. This also leaves the FISC with the appearance of “impartiality”, not that I agree with it.
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But the DOJ has already made their version available to at at least three people, as Sundance mentions: Gowdy, Schiff, and Goodlatte. These people now need to see the FISC version.
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I repeat. Since the FISA application was originated in the executive branch PDJT can order release of all versions.
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Sorry, not trying to be argumentative, but just trying to align your point of view with what I read above.
The Legislative Branch created the FISA Court system; however, the secret court resides in the Judicial Branch.
That tells me that if anyone has oversight of FISC it’s the Supreme Court, or Roberts in particular. Goodlatte wants to see the document the court received and used in its decision-making. I don’t think Trump can order its release.
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Not a fan of National Review but the following is a quote from their story.
“Trump’s own FBI and Justice Department employees could easily let the Intelligence Committee examine any FISA applications derived from the dossier. Why doesn’t the president just order them to comply with Congress’s demand?”
and the link:
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/454493/steele-dossier-fbi-trump-should-disclose-warrant-applications
I contend Collyer refered Congress to the DOJ for this reason. Get the weight of the Executive Branch behind the release while maintaining the appearance of an impartial court.
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Then Collyer must not know that Goodlatte has already seen the application provided by the DOJ. I wrote below based on a prior Sundance thread Goodlatte never published his letter but let CNN see it and they reported some bits and pieces. If he didn’t tell her he specifically wants to see what the FISC has in its possession, it’s time to tell her.
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And once again here we are fighting for transparency. We want to see the actual documents, the facts. This is crazy! We should be the norm, not the exception. Everyone should be demanding evidence.
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Would thousands of American Citizens has their 4th amendment right infringed upon, if the FISA court did not exist?
Start making your own list.
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Not if the NSA also did not exist =)
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Kinds wordy way to say
“I refuse to answer on the grounds that I may incriminate myself.”
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You have no fear, from me.
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Looks like Bureau and Deep State are launching their CYA campaign. WashPost is reporting that the Special Counsel is indicting a Russian troll farm in St Petersburg (Russia, not Florida) for criminally interfering with the 2016 US presidential election.
https://www.justice.gov/file/1035477/download
Great, you think the trolls will voluntarily come from Russia to the US for being deposed? So now the toad brigade can say they have an indictment against Russians for criminal interference (PROOF the election was tampered with and possibly illegal) and when the Russians involved tell them to go pound sandski the media heralds can say that’s PROOF of their guilt!
Bureau can use this for lower case proof that even though there were some minor procedural errors in obtaining warrants they were the result of the short times between their first behind made aware of the illegal, criminal acts of the Russians in interfering with the election and Trump’s tainted election founded on the crimnal actions of…Russians. This is a really big potential pot ‘o mud to cloud the waters and allow the Bureau and its owners to slip out of the spotlight.
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They did break a lot of laws though. But the indictment document makes it crystal clear they were not pro-Trump, they were simply anti- the people they thought were going to win and pro-underdogs, and then when Trump won they turned on him. They just wanted to create mayhem. Don’t let anyone propagate the nonsense that they were pro-Trump. Grab some clear excerpts from the document to use as responses.
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I’m laughing at the absurdity of my comment. Why am I compelled to write something like that? The indictment was just made public, EVERYONE can read it. It’s full of facts, specifics. But facts will not be presented by the MSM to the lo-fo gullibles and the lo-fo gullibles won’t bother to spend 10 minutes enlightening themselves. How crazy is this?
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Doesn’t matter, by divorcing the Trump connection from this case they don’t get the ‘you’re out after Trump’ arguments while still connecting the Russian to the ‘stolen’ election. He’s automatically connected due to overs a year’s attempt by the DoJ to invalidate his election as ‘stolen’ by collusion with the Russians.
Again, the DoJ not being able to get those Russians here is just another handy piece of work, we have guilty Russians who won’t voluntarily come to the US and submit to DoJ play writing. Even a beginning bureaucratic puke could work that into the Death to the People’s Choice’ campaign. It HAD to be some nefarious goings-on or the true people’s choice and anointed POTESs would have won. When ya don’t have fire a lotta smoke will do.
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More correctly stated, “the Deep State within the Bureau. But I do agree it is a CYA or a justify Special WitchHunt wasting 13 months and million of dollars of taxpayer money. Also, as you say in more colorful language, covering up the massive corruption and allowing the enablers to “escape”.
Russian tampering has nothing to do with PDJT or his campaign but was conducted to compromise the integrity of the American Elections (create KAOS).
These Russian Nationalists may never see American Justice; however, There are still the traitorous Americans (i.e., DNC, Bozo and his clowns, Killery and her minions etc.) who may see American Justice.
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This isn’t supposed to be about ‘justice’, had Hillary won the whole Russian Hacker soap opera never would have happened, the main reason I see for this ongoing drumbeat of Trump smearing is to effect the midterms and so damage Trump in the publics’ minds that he’s dead in 2020. Punishment for upsetting the well-laid Internationalist/Prog coup is a close second.
I don’t think that anyone at DoJ, or their handlers, want to see any Russians brought to justice, they are far more useful in this ‘untouchable’ capacity. Having them here and touchable doesn’t give the mudslingers the ability to create false narratives about their evidence of collusion between Trump and the Evil Empire II.
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LOL maybe Mueller made a deal with Snowden… Freedom for 16 russians
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Once again DoJ manufactured evidence comes to the Fed’s rescue.
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Pro Tip: ANYTIME you see a woman with short hair and “spoon” glasses, you can safely bet the farm – she”s a moonbat “end justifies the means” liberal.
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I can’t help it. Every time I see the name Goodlatte, I want a coffee.
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You win the Internet for today, my friend. I have the SAME reaction! lolz.
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Revolution is the logical outcome.
The rot is too deep.
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I So Agree With This Statement, The Rot Is Too Deep, Revolution May Be The Solution, Especially If Dems Get Back In Power!!
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Not getting the Judges justification for withholding the FISC copy of the application since she must be aware that Chairman Goodlatte has SEEN the DOJ copy of the application.
“I expect that their handling of your requests will inform the Court as to how the Executive Branch perceives its interests and will assist us in our consideration of the full range of issues;”
Obfuscation is not a good look on you Judge Collyer. If they are the same what would the court be divulging beyond what has already been revealed? Nope. Dogs not huntin’.
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I had forgotten until I re-read Sundance’s Feb 7 article about Goodlatte’s letter that he did not publish the letter but did let CNN see it and they reported on it. https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/07/batter-up-chairman-goodlatte-requests-fisa-court-documents-from-presiding-judge-rosemary-collyer/
So depending on what was in the letter, Collyer might not be aware that he has already read the DOJ’s version of the application. If he didn’t, he’s going to have to spell it out for her.
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Besides, separation of powers… the Congressional committee chairperson did not request the executive branch copy, he specifically requested the judicial branch copy. Judicial branch, you cannot compel the executive to answer the request on your behalf.
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Yes Armadillo true. But he had ALREADY seen the DOJ copy of the application, therefore, requesting a copy of the same (assuming it is the same) from the judicial branch violates any separation as, ostensibly, he has already seen it. The idea hear is to compare what he saw from DOJ to what is in the possession of FISC to check for discrepancies. Surely you follow the logic.
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The best approach would be for the executive branch to ask the FISC to provide the documents directly to the committees. No separation concerns with such approach.
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Meanwhile, the Fake News is continuing to make up stuff:
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Did they miss the part about the pro-Bernie and pro-Jill Stein stuff? And the anti-Trump efforts after he won? 😉
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The FBI misses everything they don’t want to find out — like some whack job getting ready to shoot up a school. Oops missed that one. But did find a few Russians buying ads on Facebook. Now THAT is a crime! (sarc)
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and the church in Texas.
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The USA has evolved. A hundred years ago a Banana Republic brought out the guns when a coup was needed. In the 1970’s, however, the Lefties figured out it was a lot safer to take out the elected leader by impeachment. Now whenever a non Leftist wins, they bring out the special counsel (Watergate. Iran-Contra, Valerie Plame, Russian Collusion).
A lot safer that way. Nobody gets shot and they get what they’re after. Most of the time. Reagan was so likable they didn’t succeed with Iran-Contra, but they got Nixon and destroyed the Bush presidency so those were wins. Now they’re at it again. The question is when will the voters whose votes don’t count get fed up with it. I have no idea.
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Seems that if Muller was inditing someone other than POTUS he should also take The info on Steele et al to the Grand Jury
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Have to say, wouldn’t the irony of this BS plot and investigation that once the indictments and jail terms are handed out that these clowns, Comey, McCabe, Page, Strzok, Ohr and others will be ex-Cons will lose their right to vote in any election ever again. Karma man….love it…pass the brown bag with the Colt 45.
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I don’t recall learning about their support of Sanders and Stein prior to today. I also don’t recall learning about their efforts against Trump after the election prior to today. Is this news to everyone else too? It’s pretty hilarious. Too bad half of the country won’t learn of it because they’ll be getting their info from MSM.
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These were the nasty commenters on all the blogs putting down DJT and pushing Bernie.
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Wonder if Bernie paid them?
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You can read it all in Mueller’s indictments of the Russians. They were helping Bernie and Stein during the primary. They were helping Trump in the general. And they were undermining Trump after he won. Their aim wasn’t to help Trump, but to so discord.
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Increase your neighborhood ties and trust. If and when this all falls apart, your family and neighbors will be your first line of defense. The govt. won’t help you. Eventually the dam will break.
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Based on Mueller’s indictment of the Russians … can the illegals be indicted for attempting to influence the election while not being registered foreign agents?
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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/09/the-fisa-court-sends-a-message-to-the-executive-branch/62684/
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The document I’ve found is pdf.
THE BENCH, BAR AND PUBLIC:
The attached Rules ofProcedure for the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court supersede both the February 17, 2006 Rules ofProcedure and the May 5, 2006 Proceduresfor Review of Petitions Filed Pursuant to Section 501(f) ofthe Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of1978, As Amended These revised Rules ofProcedure are effective immediately.
John D. Bates Presiding Judge Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court
November 1,2010
From the document…
Rule 62. Release of Court Records.
(a) Publication of Opinions. The Judge who authored an order, opinion, or other decision may sua sponte or on motion by a party request that it be published. Upon such request, the Presiding Judge, after consulting with other Judges of the Court, may direct that an order, opinion or other decision be published. Before publication, the Court may, as appropriate, direct the Executive Branch to review the order, opinion, or other decision and redact it as necessary to ensure that properly classified information is appropriately protected pursuant to Executive Order 13526 (or its successor).
(b) Other Records. Except when an order, opinion, or other decision is published or provided to a party upon issuance, the Clerk may not release it, or other related record, without a Court order. Such records must be released in conformance with the security measures referenced in Rule 3.
(c) Provision of Court Records to Congress.
(1) By the Government. The government may provide copies of Court orders, opinions, decisions, or other Court records, to Congress, pursuant to 50 U.S.C. §§ 1871(a)(5), 1871(c), or 1881f(b)(l)(D), or any other statutory requirement, without prior motion to and order by the Court. The government, however, must contemporaneously notify the Court in writing whenever it provides copies of Court records to Congress and must include in the notice a list of the documents provided.
(2) By the Court. The Presiding Judge may provide copies of Court orders, opinions, decisions, or other Court records to Congress. Such disclosures must be made in conformance with the security measures referenced in Rule 3.
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All the evidence points in one direction, yet indictments go in the other. We can’t even arrest and extradite these peopke! The peopke demand justice, not BS. Patience is wearing thin. If the plan us to foment rebellion, it’s working.
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I don’t believe I have ever seen a woman rubbing her chin whiskers whilst contemplating something… Then again this is supposed to be the new heralded era we are told to embrace…
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According to the Internet, Mueller has stated Russia meddling began 12 months before the election…He has also apparently indicted 13 Russians for the crime! And, the FISA court has called on the DOJ to release the FISA/Trump dossier application…I smell a lot of backside covering!
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Started in 2014. And yet MSM will report that it’s been a pro-Trump effort lol
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Sessions Orders ‘IMMEDIATE REVIEW’ Of FBI, While FL. Gov. Calls For Director Wray’s Resignation,,
While Gowday worries about Rob Porter …
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Where are the REAL indictments? This can’t go on much longer without radicalizing citizens against obvious injustice. The sands of time are running low.
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I’ll be happy if Mueller can wrap up the witch hunt first. Then we can get down to some serious business.
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Explains the 5 Jan 2017 Comey, Rice, etc., meeting with Obama that no one mentioned before it was found in the 20 Jan 2017 email Rice sent to herself, the likely purpose of that email, and why Comey met with Trump about the dossier one day after the 5 Jan meeting. Amazing dot connecting here:
What Did Comey Tell President Trump about the Steele Dossier?
15 Feb 2018
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/456435/rice-email-reveals-plan-dont-tell-trump-hes-being-investigated
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Could this be let’s make a deal? If so I hope all it is is an exit for mueller but no deal on obama, lynch, yates, comey, brennen, clapper,, mccabe rosenstein et al and all the minors get some jail time too. There should be a speparte investigations of the clinton crime family.
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These indictments are make-work to keep Rosenstein and Muller in position. They will do everything they can to keep AG Sessions from getting involved. Globalist want a perpetual Investigation (can’t comment: its under investigation) to last the entire term of POTUS, like a ball and chain. If they can’t impeach and remove him they will attempt to hobble the MAGA agenda.
He will have to fire someone. How long is long enough, 2 years, 3 years?
I pray they fail.
We need another IKE’s Operation Wetback. Think he worried about detractors?
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At some point the Supreme Court should enjoin this.
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Pulled you from the bin…. 😦
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TrumpSoldier’s thread has the following explanation of Collyer’s response to Goodlatte’s request for the FISA documents:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/964507838994419712.html
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So…there is something else….who okay’d all the PROOF as being sufficient? Which crap judge or judges did this?
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one other thought…why would ANY judge self-incriminate themselves as being wicked like Obama and gang were wicked.
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I am just now reading this letter to Nunes.
“It may also be helpful for me to observe that, in a typical process of considering an application, we make no systematic record of questions we ask or responses the government gives.”
You bastards.
“All Sales Final.” A secret court with secret proceedings which are by design unavailable for later scrutiny. Ladies and Gentlemen, we are living in enemy occupied territory.
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4th Amendment was written specifically for 2 reasons: 1) You can’t grab my stuff, look at my stuff, or invade my stuff without a warrant. 2)NO SECRET PROCEEDINGS OR EVIDENCE.
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For those who are unsettled by Judge Collyer sending these letters, I remembered that part of the ‘Plan’ as set forth by Sundance is that communications about what the white hats are doing will be written and public..
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Hmmm. Sounds like FISA court has something to hide too. They’ve never been asked for these documents before so maybe they were shredded or changed thinking no one would ever see them. What is the record keeping policy? Where I worked we were told what documents were filed in what order and where to put them. We also were told what to put them in and what info had to be where on the box. They don’t want anyone to see them. Wow! How would we have found out things were so bad if not for these investigations? Thanks Republican leaders!
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¹Chairman Goodlatte has viewed the FISA application as presented by the DOJ and is requesting to see the same application as presented by the FISA court.
This sentence make no sense to me.
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It’s basically saying that there may be TWO versions of the FISA application. The one that was presented to the court by the DOJ, and presumably is full of lies to mislead the court. And a slightly different one that the DOJ has edited to make it look more legit, and will be the one they (the DOJ) hand over to anyone who asks for a copy. So the ONLY version of the application that we can assume is accurate and original is the one that is now in the hands of the FISA court.
In other words, Goodlatte does not trust the DOJ to give him an unedited version, and so wants the one directly from the FISA court too…. so that he, we, and the court itself can COMPARE the two.
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Did Judge Collyer just hint that she can’t give Nunes what he wants because of the IG/Huber investigation?
“The considerations involve…. its need to maintain the integrity of any ongoing law enforcement investigation’
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In my neck of the woods, Courts will often provide a certified copy of something which has been filed with the court. A white hat at the DOJ should request that the FISC provide certified copies of these filings directly to the committees, along with a copy to DOJ.
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