NAFTA Round Six Continues – Canada and Mexico Hope To Manipulate Their Way To Round Seven…

Round six of NAFTA renegotiation talks continue today as Canada and Mexico claim cautious optimism that a round seven will take place.  This round of talks is scheduled to continue through Monday and end with a much anticipated a joint press conference between Ildefonso Guajardo (Mex), Chrystia Freeland (Can) and U.S. Trade Rep. Robert Lighthizer.   There were seven rounds initially scheduled.

Canada and Mexico are trying to close less important, and less controversial, trade chapters in an effort to give the illusion of progress and frame a political narrative that lends itself toward continuing to talk; ie. round seven.

However, if there’s no significant progress on the larger issues it’s doubtful Lighthizer will find value in endless words that amount to nothing.

Canada and Mexico have been lobbying U.S. politicians hard to retain their parasitic trade positions.  Additionally, a significant number of Washington DC politicians are willing to take massive bribes from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce lobbyists and support the export of American economic jobs and wealth.   This is another key UniParty indulgence issue.

Big Corporate Agriculture (Big AG), the consortium of massive multinational agriculture companies who hold stakes in the entire continent, are pushing hard to keep their “controlled market” dominance in place, and is attempting to stoke fears using false claims about farms and negative trade impacts to farmers.  Pure nonsense.

The three major sticking points remain (there are more, but these are the best known):

1) Rules of Origin; 2) Conflict Resolution; and 3) Sunset Provisions for renegotiation.

  • Rules of Origin – Team U.S.A. wants car North American auto manufacturers to use at least 60% parts from within North America.
  • Team CanaMex wants to use fully assembled auto parts from China and Asia to assemble cars in Mexico and Canada and sell them as American made automobiles.

 

  • Conflict Resolution.  Team U.S.A. wants an independent panel to deal with trade disputes, comprised of officials in relationship to the size of each economy.
  • Team CanaMex (the parasites) want to be able to override any U.S. objections to their manufacturing outcomes.  They demand equality in voting. The U.S. is the host.

 

  • Sunset:  Team U.S.A. wants the NAFTA agreement revisited, reviewed and renegotiated if needed, every five years. Some manufacturing sectors entirely change.  [Example e-Commerce didn’t even exist when NAFTA was created, 25 years ago.]
  • Team CanaMex says no way.  Whatever final trade deal is decided, is put upon the U.S. to deal with forever regardless of any changes in any sector.

It’s all smoke and mirrors at this point.  Hopefully, Lighthizer will show up on Monday and simply say ‘enough, we’re done’.

End NAFTA and do bi-lateral trade deals where the size and scale of the U.S. market -our leverage- determines a more favorable outcome for the U.S. against both Canada and Mexico.  Enough with these silly games.

(Via Reuters) […] During the sixth round, Canada raised what it called creative ways of meeting U.S. demands for higher North American content in autos, a sunset clause that would allow one party to quit the treaty after five years, and major changes to existing conflict resolution mechanisms.

“I think we have demonstrated we have engaged on most of the big issues,” Verheul said in his remarks to Reuters. “We’ve made progress on some of the smaller ones, so I think (it was) not a bad week.”

The Mexican official said that Canada’s proposals on rules of origin for autos, the sunset clause and conflict resolution mechanism were “positive, in as much as they are an attempt to move things forward.”

Speaking separately, a second Canadian government source said Ottawa was cautiously optimistic about the round, given that the U.S. side had not summarily rejected the proposals for compromise.  (read more)

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259 Responses to NAFTA Round Six Continues – Canada and Mexico Hope To Manipulate Their Way To Round Seven…

  1. I’m figuring Big AG wants to get in on the marijuana market. I wonder how that will effect things?

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    • ecmarsh says:

      There is something with Ritalin, Fluoride, and Dope smoking. Because, I never met a dope smoker that wasn’t a liberal (communist.)

      I never heard of Alzheimer’s until foam rubber pillows and aluminum cookware.
      These are just some of my observations.

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      • lastinillinois says:

        I am intrigued by your observations.

        Got any more?

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        • Joshua2415 says:

          Well, peanut allergies is one that gets me. Where the hell did that come from? No one I knew was allergic to peanuts, and went through the first 40 or so years of my life without hearing word one about it. I’m assuming that we screwed up the food chain somehow with GMO modified crops, but I’m open for other suggestions.

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          • Andie G says:

            I have wondered that myself. I never knew anyone with a peanut nor almost any other allergy, except for one person that was allergic to bee stings.

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            • ladypenquin says:

              Agree. Peanut allergies were unheard of when most of us were young, now it’s a dire situation throughout our food supply. Why?

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              • Coldeadhands says:

                Here’s the new American Academy of Pediatrics advisory on introducing at risk babies to peanuts so as to mitigate onset of dangerous allergy.

                https://www.aap.org/en-us/about-the-aap/aap-press-room/pages/AAP-Joins-in-Interim-Guidance-on-Introduction-of-Peanuts-for-High-Risk-Infants.aspx

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              • Patrick Blasz says:

                And peculiar that people with peanut allergies don’t seem allergic to peas or beans (legumes all) but do seem allergic to nuts to which peanuts are wholly unrelated.

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              • Coldnorth says:

                Hi ladypenquin. Our daughter had a coworker who’s son has a bad peanut allergy. Her Dr indicated to her that he believed it to be from a change, many years ago, in the inoculations that kids get a ton of now, to peanut oil being used as a carrier. I read it somewhere a long time ago as well. Kind of makes sense in the “what changed realm”, just thought I would mention it. Have a Great Rest of The Weekend!

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                • georgiafl says:

                  THIS^^^ makes the most sense of any explanation for the sudden appearance of peanut allergies.

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                • Donna in Oregon says:

                  I read a lot about the way they give shots to kids now. It happens to more boys than girls and also the manufacturers mix them up, put 3 in one. etc. to save $$.

                  In order to fix the problem, you have to find a doctor that will give one shot at a time. One doctor said that it was “child abuse” to give a child 3 separate shots rather than 1. The drug companies also put different drugs in it (mercury, some said anti-freeze).

                  I digress. Before a shot, ask to see the box, read and google all the ingredients, check the date, the lot number, just like you would any other medicine. Then make your decision.

                  I have thought for years that this autism stuff is caused by environmental/chemical stuff getting into the kids.

                  You really have to fight with the medical and drug community because (God complex) big bucks. If you want to destroy the marijuana business let Monsanto takeover. They ruined our food supply with GMO’s. But the FDA says it’s fine, Monsanto said they tested GMO’s and surprise! GMO’s are “safe”…..

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                • Coldnorth says:

                  Hi Donna. We agree on everything that you wrote. Autism was another thing that worried me, a lot! After first Grandson was born, much to the consternation of my better half, I had to broach the vaccination issue with our Daughter. She was a little upset with me…BUT…guess who followed your advice, she thankfully did.
                  She is no dummy and in her efforts to perhaps one up me, which is fine by me, she became a hawk on this vaccination stuff. (the peanut thing helped too). I think she stumped one Dr when she asked him what was in this vaccine and why and said she would not go ahead with it until we all know what it is.
                  Monsanto and the like scare the crap out of me. It seems they have high-end staff populate the Administration of the FDA and USDA and return to the “Company” when finished at these regulatory agencies….way too convenient. Obama s approving the Monsanto Act where they cannot be held liable did it for me….Autism thing also scares me, immensely. Got three Grandkids and I may be a little over protective but better to speak now. This is a time where ” I should have” is not acceptable.
                  Thank you for the reply and really look forward sharing with you again. Please take care!

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            • Joshua2415 says:

              As a kid, I had a good friend who was allergic to cat hair. It made him sneeze, but it wasn’t like that was to kill him! Nowadays they won’t even let schools fry chicken in peanut oil because it could send a kid to the hospital? There is a story in this somewhere, but seems like you and I might be the only ones curious about it.
              I think I’ll make myself a peanut butter sandwich.

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              • I know what you mean Joshua2415.

                One of my brothers was allergic to tomatoes when we were kids.

                He would turn red and swell up but eating them did not endanger his life.

                What I do not understand is the alive one minute dead the next aspect of these allergies.

                It seems like one tiny little whiff of a peanut will kill a kid now days.

                I do not mean to be insensitive but as you say things have really changed.

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                • kp3ace says:

                  Could it possibly have anything to do with the synthetic materials added to our food supply?
                  Folic acid vs folate would be a good example.

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                • kp3ace says:

                  There was a documentary done a while back (don’t remember when) about plastics in our blood and the diseases that began to show up.

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                • I honestly do not know kp3ace.

                  People eat and feed their children so differently than when I was growing up.

                  So few cook any more.

                  A lot are eating out at fast food places or heating up frozen and packaged dinners in the microwave.

                  Raising a family that way might make a lot of difference on the health of every one.

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          • jakee308 says:

            I suspect that also. There is also a food additive connection with obesity. Didn’t exist all that much prior to about the ’80’s or so. I may be wrong on the timing but there has to be a reason why so many people got fat so quickly and we aren’t really eating that much.

            It’s in the food we eat somehow. Maybe the good gut bacteria they say will keep people from being so fat are annihilated by some food additive and no one of course has done the research because MONEY.

            Also could be the over use of antibiotics. I know my first fat spurt took place after taking tetracycline for a tooth infection.

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            • Patrick Blasz says:

              “. . . there has to be a reason why so many people got fat so quickly and we aren’t really eating that much.”

              Two things: first, cheap and abundant snack foods; second, cheap and abundant carbohydrates (almost all snack foods, starches, and high fructose corn syrup) and, well three things actually, thirdly, oversized portions. Avoid all of these.

              Three little words will help anyone shed pounds and live a healthier life, ‘reduce caloric intake’. Easier said than done of course. To do it requires cutting back on carbohydrates in the form of starches and high fructose corn syrup. Substitute lots of leafy green vegetables for the potato and pasta. Finally, the fats consumed should be high in monounsaturates. These are olive, avocado, grape seed and rape seed (Canola) oils. All are excellent oils.

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              • Patrick Blasz says:

                The protein consumed should be lean and about 4 oz. The size of a deck of cards is a good rule of thumb. Fish, chicken, lean pork, lean beef (not choice or prime grade) and veal.

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              • anthony earl says:

                its sad that you can eat crappy food so cheap and to eat healthy costs more.

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              • I have never fluctuated more than an inch on waist my whole life. I eat what I want, of course diet variety has improved as I get older, but still stop for junk snacks when doing lots of driving. Burger King is my soul food that requires an occasional stop.
                Want to know what the secret is; food is FUEL, only eat to replace what is spent. Non-energy, thoughtless day, eat little, when using lot of energy, eat more, body let’s me know.
                Rare occasions only need popcorn for dinner. Few listen to their body instead we try to force it and that doesn’t work, anyone who deals with a compulsion knows, the more one tries to demands results the harder it becomes. What I enjoy most is a fruitful, oatmeal breakfast, small late lunch depending on urge, knowing a rotated, balanced, supper is on the horizon, follow Catholic suggestions, fish on Fridays etc. Eat until full, not over fill, and eat early not to carry working stomach to bed. 3 variable meals divided into 8 hours, that’s it that’s all, and basically eat what I want.

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              • Southern Son says:

                The little words.
                I thought you were goin’ to say;
                Push chair back.

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              • Donna in Oregon says:

                It’s GMO’s. When Monsanto developed GMO’s they created virus that had not been tested on the body before.

                Now all the talk about gut health and microbes for depression and basically general health….now juxtapose that over introducing GMO viruses (plural, as in many) into your stomach, which is where your food goes. Don’t even get me started on that stoopid Food Pyramid they taught us in school…..

                I think GMO’s can affect DNA. Notice how all the health gurus are telling people their mitochondrial dna must be healthy in order to enjoy good health. Ever heard that one before we ingested GMO’s? Nope.

                The answers by the scientific community are all about money, I watched some Health and Science Senate committee hearing on CSPAN and it came out that the flu can be contacted from chicken farms and their families which spread to towns/cities. So we get flu from animals. The Ebola virus comes from bush meat and bat poop. So essentially all this “disease” comes from 3rd World countries with animal/cleanliness issues.

                Notice one Obama let in all the South American kids that these deadly flu viruses started. Some kids were paralyzed. They know exactly where the virus comes from because of it’s DNA, and they can track where in the world it came from. In Latin America they had research (that Americans paid for, of course) that proved it. Did ya hear that on the news???? NOPE!

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            • David GERKEN says:

              MSG. I don’t when it started being consumed at high levels. I heard they feed it to rats to get them fat though.

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          • ForGodandCountry says:

            GMO modified crops

            Not intended to help the food supply….intended to TAINT the food supply and cause health issues. Why?

            Increase Big Pharma sales, among other populace control reasons.

            Don’t think so? Just look at all the radically increased rates of problems (allergies, etc) that are so prevalent today vs. just 50 years ago.

            PEOPLE SIMPLY DO NOT APPRECIATE THE LEVEL OF EVIL FACING THE WORLD THROUGH THESE BIG COMPANIES!

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            • Patrick Blasz says:

              Genetic modifications are not all bad and should not be feared out of ignorance. Take for instance grain corn, not the sweet stuff slathered in butter and salt, is all genetically modified for several reason. The modern corn plant is bred to be much more efficient at photo synthesis as well as pest resistant. Yields are astonishing in historical terms.

              This is a complicated subject and the people visiting the CTH are known to be astute and inquiring. That means do your homework before commenting.

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              • David GERKEN says:

                GMO is not the problem. It’s the toxic herbicides they can use once the plants is GMO’d that are the problems. That’s important to distinguish.

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                • ForGodandCountry says:

                  David, that’s true, but that doesn’t cover it all.

                  Bt corn is a variant of maize that has been genetically altered to express one or more proteins from the bacterium 𝘉𝘢𝘤𝘪𝘭𝘭𝘶𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘶𝘳𝘪𝘯𝘨𝘪𝘦𝘯𝘴𝘪𝘴. The protein is poisonous to certain insect pests and is widely used in organic gardening.

                  Studies are showing these new proteins are also poisonous to humans, despite Monsanto’s studies that say otherwise (and, after all, what would you expect Monsanto’s studies to say?).

                  And Patrick, no, it’s not just feed corn (for cows, etc) that is being GMO’d. Human food stock in both wheat and corn are being GMO’d as well. Genetic modifications are NOT proven safe, huge debate continues to rage over it, and what is most clear is that they should not simply be accepted out of ignorance or a desire just to make more $$.

                  Monsanto is a very sick and evil company, and if you don’t know why that is it simply shows you aren’t very astute or inquiring.

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                • Farmdeplorable says:

                  More chemicals are used to produce non-gmo products than gmo. Soybeans are sprayed three times to control weeds and pest to one trip for gmo.

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              • Patrick Blasz says:

                In response to ForGodandCountry, who said: “And Patrick, no, it’s not just feed corn (for cows, etc) that is being GMO’d. Human food stock in both wheat and corn are being GMO’d as well. Genetic modifications are NOT proven safe, huge debate continues to rage over it, and what is most clear is that they should not simply be accepted out of ignorance or a desire just to make more $$.”

                There are only to styles of corn grown, sweet corn and grain corn also known as field corn. Sweet corn is a specialty product that is eaten as a vegetable by humans and accounts for about 1% of corn production. Grain corn, is far more important to the human diet. Those tortillas and corn chips as well as the corn flakes are all grain corn, the same corn that is consumed as animal feed. It is also grain corn that is made into high fructose corn syrup. Finally, popcorn is specialty product that is less than 1% of corn production.

                You also referenced Monsanto studies and what would you expect from Monsanto studies. Please understand that in the field known as toxicological pathology the studies are “sponsored” by the interested party and are then peer-reviewed by other unrelated board certified pathologists. All of this is gov’t regulated.

                Again I say, This is a complicated subject and the people visiting the CTH are known to be astute and inquiring. That means do your homework before commenting.

                One last point, ever since Gregor Mendel noticed a differences in peas, people have been fiddling with their food. From a Wikipedia article I found this under Genetically Modified Food: There is a scientific consensus[5][6][7][8] that currently available food derived from GM crops poses no greater risk to human health than conventional food,[9][10][11][12][13] but that each GM food needs to be tested on a case-by-case basis before introduction.[14][15][16]

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              • Donna in Oregon says:

                It will become less complicated once the FDA and an independent 3rd party tests GMO’s. To rely on Monsanto to prove the safety of their own money-maker is stoopid….and that is EXACTLY what has happened.

                Buy non-GMO and prepare your own food (not prepared stuff) so you can live long enough to say “I told ya so”…..

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          • Paul says:

            Peanut oil used as an emulsifier in vaccines, perhaps?

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            • Remington..... says:

              I don’t know Paul. What I can tell you is that I use is for my Kung Pao chicken – which includes peanuts. Delicious….

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            • Donna in Oregon says:

              You have to read the label. Also, we need to know what country it was manufactured in. I hear the Chinese aren’t too careful with what they put in their stuff (like dog food for instance).

              It’s cheaper for a reason…..

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          • dayallaxeded says:

            Before then, kids with peanut allergies probably died very young and perhaps without even a good understanding of why.

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          • modsquad says:

            They use peanut oil as a base adherent in vaccines.

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            • Lindenlee says:

              Did you mean “adjuvant”? Adjuvants are the problem, not the antigen itself. Adjuvants supposedly intensify the effects of the antigen itself, and therefore, less of the actual antigen is needed, maybe as little as 10%. Big profit booster for the drug manufacturer. This was the big problem with using squalene as one in the Gulf War vaccines.

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          • Proud Deplorable says:

            Maybe because in the old days kids with severe peanut allergies died as toddlers. If the death cerificate (when there even was one) said “unknown natural causes” or “heart failure from unknown causes” or “sudden respiratory failure”, it would be difficult for anybody to point to peanuts as a contributing factor. Maybe it sometimes was a factor, though.

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          • I’ve read it has something to do with how vaccines are made. Same with egg allergies.

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          • flawesttexas says:

            Peanut allergies were unheard of when I was in school, too

            I wonder if peanut allergy folks have problems with nitrogen? Peanuts help replenish nitrogen in poor soil.

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          • LarryInMt says:

            Simple answer – severely allergic folks used to die quickly in their youth. Our medicines are extending the lifespan of our weak and polluting the mechanism which cleans our genetic pool – a quick death. Harsh but true

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          • Jenny R. says:

            I think it has something to do with kids not being allowed to play outside and get dirty, but that’s just a personal opinion.
            About pot smokers: I’ve known plenty that were kinda libertarian/conservative…certainly not moral majority types, obviously, but definitely did not like liberals at all.

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          • Mary Wilson says:

            Peanut oil is a common ingredient in children’s immunization. Inject a protein directly into an immature immune system and the immune system will over-react.

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        • Minnie says:

          No link here but I firmly believe multiple ailments appeared upon the introduction of soy into our diets.

          Particularly baby soy formula.

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          • Coldeadhands says:

            Yep and it can be a challenge finding soy free formula.
            Non fermented soy is the problem. Soy sauce, traditional fermented tofu not at issue.
            https://www.naturalnewsblogs.com/dark-side-soy-truth-revealed/

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          • RedBallExpress says:

            Definitely. I am a dairy farmer and raise all our calves which receive real milk for at least 6 weeks. Most progressive but foolish farmers feed the industry and university endorsed soy based “milk replacer” to save costs etc. In our 70 cow herd I have not had a sick calf in over a year and have lost only 1 calf in 7 years. The diary experts author books on treating sick calves and consider a 5% loss acceptable. It bothers me greatly but I might as well talk to a wall as try to convince my neighbors to try it. It is drilled right into them by brainwashed professors that save pennys on paper and lose dollars in the barn.

            Hard to figure out that a mothers milk is best for her offspring isn’t it?

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            • Patrick Blasz says:

              RedBallExpress, an interesting comment indeed. Do you know if soy milk is used as feed for “milk feed veal”? That would be alarming if “soy milk” is used for this purpose.

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              • Patrick Blasz says:

                meant to say “milk fed veal”. Too bad WordPress doesn’t allow editing.

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                • RedBallExpress says:

                  I really don’t know. Most milk replacer is made from Palm oil or Soy or other products including some dairy. The amounts vary depending on price. I just don’t know anything about veal. I will say most farmers try there best but they have been taught to feed milk replacer. I love calves!

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      • MAGADJT says:

        Yeah. They just called the symptoms of what we now know as alzheimer’s by other names before foam rubber pillows and aluminum cookware.

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        • Alzheimer’s is characterized by a specific protein in the brain. That protein is now understood to be an anti-microbial. Perhaps there is an issue with an immune system gone wrong or failing to fight infections. Melatonin supports immune function. The pineal gland perceives radio frequency radiation (RFR) as “light” and therefore the increasing levels of RFR is likely suppressing melatonin production which could be one of the factors involved.

          Do you know any elderly people that do not have a cordless phone system sitting by the side of their bed?

          “A major difference between the older cordless phone and the DECT cordless phones is that the DECT phone’s base station continuously emits pulsing microwave radiation at full power as long as the base station/charger is plugged into the 240 VAC wall socket. This means that the base station, usually placed on a bedside table, or on a work desk, is broadcasting a 2.4. or 5.8 GHz transmission (in Australia) regardless of whether the handset is charging in the base station cradle or being used 300 meters away. In a situation where a sleeper is about half a meter away from a typical DECT phone placed on a bed side table, he or she is constantly being exposed to a pulsing microwave signal with an electrical field strength of about 6.5 Volts per meter (V/m) – the max. limit of the meter.”

          from:
          Medical warnings needed on DECT cordless phone use
          JACNEM, Vol. 25 No. 2 August 2006
          https://www.emfacts.com/download/dect.pdf

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          • Donna in Oregon says:

            You can listen to cordless phone conversations on a scanner. This was the beginning of law enforcement listening without a warrant, or nosy neighbors…

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            • After I realized the sleep disturbance issue (and other problems) I ran wires to wall jacks in every room of my house.

              Wired phones aren’t as convenient, but for some reason I am more relaxed using them.

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      • booger71 says:

        At least you didn’t mention non stick cookware.

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      • Carrie2 says:

        ecmarsh, odd that people worried about aluminum and no one my family ever has had dementia even at age 89. Canniabis lowers the ability to think and enslaves just like every other drug whether by prescription, on the street, alcohol in excess, and definitely cannabis. We still have plenty of these 60’s cannabis smokers still around like zombies.
        Foam in a bed is off gassing from foal or gel and these can affect the body, but that in pillows is a different type and as a researcher have never seen any problems. Most chemicals today in cleaning products and foods are truly deleterious to the human body.

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        • Elizabeth Carter says:

          There were many people in their 80’s and 90’s in our family. One even made it to 100. None had dementia or Alzheimers. I really think it may be a reaction to a lot of the drugs older people take for blood pressure, cholesterol and other medications.
          Another thing that I think may have an impact is that so many people watch TV instead of interacting with people. There is nothing on TV worth remembering and they lose their ability to retain information.
          I do know that it is not a normal part of growing old.

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        • ecmarsh says:

          I just threw in the pillows and aluminum cookware for thought.
          I do know but, when I came back from “This Man’s War” in 72. Culpeper Virginia had been invaded with dope smoking, drug using, hippies (as they called themselves.) Nobody knew where they came from, they just showed up. After being back home about 5 years, I picked up my young family and left my ancestral home. Brothers and sister left right after. Only time we went back was to see mom and dad. After they pasted none of us ever went back home.
          There are so many wonderful and later, melancholia stories I could tell about my home. 45 years later I still miss what northern Virginia was.

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      • billrla says:

        Just end all pretentions and declare California a northern suburb of Mexico City. And make ice hockey America’s official sport. At least the Canadian players will stand for our national anthem.

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        • NC PATRIOT says:

          Most Canadian AND American hockey teams also have players from Finland, Sweden, Russia, the Czek Republic, Slovakia etc. They also will always stand. They tend to have strong national pride and respect each other’s anthems. You will not see a hockey player take a knee. Plus the NHL (National Hockey League) has these expectations of their players, as well.

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      • Matthew LeBlanc says:

        I would guess your pot observation has more to do with liberals are more likely to break the law than a conservative. Just a hunch.

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      • Sunshine says:

        I relate all the problems to chemicals in our food chain and our environment.

        Before the Monsanto era, kids were normal and allergies were unknown. Look at the high number of autism cases we now have and people with fertility problems.

        When they show up at your house dressed in hazmat suits to spray your home and your lawn, and you can’t walk on your grass nor open your windows for three days, there is a problem.

        The same for our food, either pesticided produce or chemical preservatives. Then, they brainwash us with chemical Febreeze everywhere and to top it off, why not light a chemical-scented candle…

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        • CirclinTheDrain says:

          Slightly disagree…I had very bad allergies starting in 1967-tested allergic to literally everything. Multiple bouts with severe sinus infections, multiple sinus surgeries, very restricted diet, lots of pneumonia and bronchitis. What finally solved it? At age 17 I left my family for a year and lived in Germany. Every single allergy I had went away, practically over night. When I returned home, they all came back. What did we discover was the cause? The family dogs were hypersenstizing me to everything. Left the dogs behind to go to college in NC and I was allergy free again.

          Lesson here is- I believe there are a lot of people like me who develop allergies based on a particular trigger. Remove that and a lot of other things resolve. What should we remove ? Xenoestrogens, gmo crops, glyphosate and other herbicides/pesticides that are known carcinogens, chemicals in everything we eat and on the clothes we wear, the furniture in our homes, and a lot of building products of the buildings where we spend our days.

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      • Snow White says:

        And flu shots and other vaccines full of aluminum, polysorbate 80, formaldehyde, aborted babies dna, animal dna, eggs, peanut oil, etc. Just read the ingredients in vaccines and flu shot, and see why elderly get Alzeihmers.

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        • NC PATRIOT says:

          And I will toss this in also—-we have far more processed foods, containing all sorts of additives, flavorings, colorings and preservatives, than we did 30-40 years ago. Read the ingredients on your processed foods, too.

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        • Donna in Oregon says:

          I have never had a flu shot in my life. I refuse them. I don’t trust these people to remain diligent. Oh, I should mention…..I don’t get the flu. Is it because I don’t get the shot? IDK. I don’t just automatically trust government or institutions to be honest or careful with my life.

          Seems the medical and pharmaceutical communities run off the rails for a buck once they start trying to force stuff on people. Trust but verify. I think flu shots are crap.

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      • Liz says:

        If you honestly care I know many conservative marijuana users including a highly driven business owner. They are more discrete than liberals and most are medical. This kind of blind categorization makes use look bad. I live in Utah and more than 70% favor legalizing mefical. We have only about 30% liberals

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      • Gary says:

        How about Parkinson’s disease as a result of 70s and 80s cocaine culture.

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      • cozette says:

        I smoke marijuana and started my political life cheering for Goldwater. I have always resisted communism. I supported Trump before he declared his candidacy and told everyone that if he ran he would win. I know MANY people who smoke marijuana who hate communism and love President Trump. Just like ALL people who drink aren’t alike, neither are people who smoke.

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        • ecmarsh says:

          I was just making a personal observation on what seems to be a touchy subject.
          I grew up with Reefer Madness (movie), or take acid and you stair at the sun and burn your eyes out, or you would wash your face on the burner of a cook stove.
          Always figure I have enough issues without adding (the pleasures?) of being doped up.

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    • Jenny R. says:

      https://www.statista.com/statistics/587568/estimated-medical-marijuana-market-size-canada/
      They will want to keep their investments in the Canadian pot industry open I’m sure.
      Mexico at this point is not the place for investment — unless you are a cartel member, but I think they’ve moved on to other drugs..like fentanyl.
      The thing to explore is the current amount of Chinese investment and control of US Big Ag companies…it’s higher than most think. And that’s nothing compared to their investment/control in Canadian resource industries 😉
      For myself, I could care less about the medical Maryjane stuff…but a potential hemp industry in this country could really make some money (lots of things you can make from hemp; stuff grows great here too).

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    • thedoc00 says:

      An interesting parallel story to consider with respect to your marijuana comment. When corn fed Gasohol hoax started, We were on a road trip across PA, OH and NY. We saw corn grown in places where nothing or other food crops or vineyards had grown before. People were planting corn to cash in on the federal money because it was so good to do so. Recall there were actually famines and bread shortages caused by the corn growing craze. The Marijuana craze will even be worse in my opinion once the haze sets in…and the demand goes through the roof.

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      • dayallaxeded says:

        MJ demand will never go “through the roof.” Those who want to use it now do. It’s extremely easy to get and penalties are nil in most of the U.S., if there’s any real enforcement at all. This prohibition is just that but is even less effective and more irrational than the 18th Amendment was. Was MJ demand/use “through the roof” when it wasn’t illegal? No, and it grew wild all over the place. My great uncle told me stories of clearing fallow fields when sharecropping in north Lousyana–some of the hands would gather up the wacky weed and others would avoid it and those who used it. That was ca.1920s.

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      • Jenny R. says:

        Highly unlikely, as the type of hemp used for hemp oil and hemp fiber isn’t the same stuff as what they are smoking now.
        Heck, probably be the best thing that could ever happen for all the little teenie boppers to get their first experience with weed be getting sick as a dog from smoking ditch weed — might make them think twice before blazing up again!
        And it’s a crop that grows well here, can be turned into livestock or human food, and isn’t overly hard on the soil, so potentially a valuable rotation crop. So at least, unlike corn, it wouldn’t require as much chemical application due to not depleting the soil or being so fragile in the face of invasive weeds or insects…which is probably why the farm chemical lobby, think Monsanto, would really be against it.

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    • oljw00 says:

      I don’t think Jeff will actually go after states…rather Congress is being challenged to do this the RIGHT way and change the law.

      It’s an intentional distraction. This is why no action has been taken – nor will it.

      My two cents.

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  2. MICHAEL DO says:

    Rule of origin must be 80% from NAFTA countries or no deal. On anything and not just Auto. Automatically 50% tariff imposed immediate in escrow account until conflict resolution finalized. Take it or leave it.

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    • MICHAEL DO says:

      If you try to cheat. You can but then we will bankrupt you !!!

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    • thedoc00 says:

      Your 80% figure is an interesting number as the EU, India and many other “free trade” country demand very similar percentages, under their national content and industry protection regulations or policies.

      Facinating how only the US is attacked for attempting to protect its workers and critical industries, as a protectionist.

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      • Michael Do says:

        The 80% is the number to determine if the car qualified for “Made in USA” label back in Reagan ‘80 era. The Japanese auto makers got around auto quota by building cars in US with Japan made components. US rules that minimum of 80% US content by cost for any car that wants to classify/label as “Made in USA” and forced Honda to make engines and transmissions in Maryville and Liberty OH. Good old days.

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  3. covfefe999 says:

    I was just remembering on a Davos panel with Wilbur Ross was the CEO of Cargill. Big Ag. He thought NAFTA was good. I’m so glad Ross was present to provide necessary balance. Ross was awesome on that panel, wasn’t allowing anyone to mis-state anything.

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    • MAGADJT says:

      I noticed that too. He was trying to paint a picture of armageddon for farmers if NAFTA was blown up. How could that be? The US can well produce enough agricultural products without a complicated trade system. Our agricultural resource is one of God’s blessings for the United States.

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      • Gil says:

        CA industry that I love so much. It was always fun to pass the fields and fugure out what was growing…except cauliflower! Peeyew!

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      • our government cuts checks to farmers to NOT plant certain crops. A farmer friend who farms several thousand acres of prime farmland in Mississippi told me that with the phenomenal yields they get with modern farm techniques that the Mississippi Delta could literally feed the entire world. But for the US government, they would.

        Now if only Live Aid would show up, do a show and point out their anti-capitalist farm policies actually get in the way of helping the poor…… I regress…

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    • covfefe999, good you mention that. For those who did not get to watch it, you should (watch it at 1.5 times the speed and it will be down to 40 minutes from 60 minutes) watch it. Especially the (beginning) segment that covfefe mentions. By the time you reach the end of the video you will find it interesting that the same CEO is literally nodding his head in agreement to everything that Mr. Ross says – you figure it out yourself whether you should listen to the CEO at the beginning of the segment or look at him through the course of the discussion where he is nodding in yes, to determine if President Trump’s policies are in the right direction?

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    • Lindenlee says:

      Subsidized Big Ag in the US killed the small subsistence farmer in MX. They can’t compete with the subsidies, used to be able to grow a little, sell a little, plant a little and feed their families and their livestock. All gone,and their and bought cheap b6 BigmAg in MX. And their kids are on the Beast coming north.

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  4. Sylvia Avery says:

    Well, it has taken us six talks to get the pronoun usage agreed upon and a comprehensive list of 67 genders. This is important stuff! With that out of the way, the country of origin is important and so it the sunset provision. I don’t like what Canada and Mexico want. Hit the buzzer. Get ’em outta here. Let’s bury this monster called NAFTA and move on.

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    • AM says:

      But..but..somebody in Canada and Mexico might not like us. What if Justin Trudeau absolute refuses to let us know where he get his socks from???

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      • Carrie2 says:

        AM, both nations don’t like us, just our money, honey. They have corrupt leaders in both and both are socialist countries, altho with the cartels it is more of a communist nation is Mexico, and with Trudeau, it seem to be going the same way. They need us but we do not need them. Our president knows the games and what we have and what we need, and these two countries just don’t get it as always run by politicians and non-thinking ones at that. A business man makes a huge difference and we needed Trump to MAGA.

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      • yucki says:

        America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests.
        – Henry Kissenger (If you'll excuse the expression…)

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      • mopar2016 says:

        Yes what would we do without socialism?

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    • piper567 says:

      Sylvia, well put.
      At the time I was unable to process the fact that one of Canada’s negotiators was concerned ab trans people…I was incredulous.
      At that point, I was thinking we did not need this caca, and was pretty sure we would present the truth, take it or leave it.
      I understand the International value of these negotiations, but see them as only a façade.
      I hope and pray the Wolverines share my pt of view.

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      • woodstuff says:

        These talks, frivolous as they are, help the administration against the firey darts that the press and libtards will surely throw when NAFTA is in the rear view mirror. “We made a fair offer and they refused”

        Besides, our President and Wolverines are providing us with free entertainment. What more could anyone want?

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        • AM says:

          Yes, I think the goal actually is to get Canada and Mexico to walk away, so Trump can shrug his shoulders and say “I tried”. Talking like this is relatively cheap

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  5. alliwantissometruth says:

    “it’s doubtful Lighthizer will find value in endless words that amount to nothing”

    Bingo! Right there, that’s the crux of the matter. Our entire “trade policy” is nothing more than a con job that survives on meaningless platitudes spoken by paid puppets

    The worlds entire political conversation is nothing more than a script written by the elites to soothe the masses

    Trump walks in & essentially says, “excuse me, go f*** yourselves”, America last is over”

    My gosh, how we haven’t been paying attention

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  6. Curry Worsham says:

    Take this deal and shove it!

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  7. milktrader says:

    NAFTA is dead.

    Time to bury the corpse because it stinks.

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  8. fleporeblog says:

    What is holding our country and economy back is the IMPORTS that we are reliant upon. Notice in the 4th Quarter and for the 2017 year, there was an increase (acceleration) of imports which is subtracted from our GDP totals. Our President and his Killers absolutely understand that this was the plan of GHB, Bill Clinton, GWB and BHO. NAFTA and China becoming part of the WTO are the two creatures that was born and nurtured by these POS.

    Realistically, a goal of 3% GDP for the 2018 year is what we should all aim for. The idea of 4% or 5% is not realistic at this time. The reason being, our need for imports. We saw Chrysler announce they are closing a factory in Mexico and expanding their factory in Michigan. Campbell Soup is closing their factory in Toronto, Canada and bringing their entire operation back to the US. Samsung and LG are opening new factories in SC and TN this year. Mazda and Toyota are expanding their production in the US with their factory in Alabama.

    If the Mexicans and Canadians don’t agree to our terms with NAFTA, we need to get the hell out of there immediately. This will cause many new announcements of companies coming BACK to the US. Putting these tariffs on solar panels and washing machines may effect the price by $50 but it allows Whirlpool and other US companies an opportunity to compete. Our President will be announcing massive tariffs on steel and aluminum within the next 90 days. Once again it will cost US consumers some additional money but it will bring our steel and aluminum companies back to life.

    Everything I described will truly have AMERICA BACK AND BETTER THAN EVER! Cutting our need on imports has a multiplier effect. Our GDP by 2019 and 2020 will be closing in if not at 4% Annual GDP. By the time our President walks away in January 20, 2025, 5%+ GDP will become the new normal because factories will once again be up and booming like they did before NAFTA and China’s introduction into the WTO.

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    • starfcker says:

      Yes, Fle. Nice summary

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    • Jenny R. says:

      Not just industrial…our ag finishing industry (think grain mills, lumber mills, all of that), have taken a real beating thanks to deals made with the Chinese (essentially our grain and forage gets shipped to them; they take their cut; and then they mill, very substandard often tainted, livestock and human food product materials (processed grains and the like) back to us for our livestock and human’s consumption. Same with lumber etc. (Canada is finding out about this, and it will clobber then lumber milling industry) — the Chinese demand that the raw material get exported to them because the finished product doesn’t meet their importation standards, they take their cut of the raw material, then they actually sell back finished product to the country that exported the raw product to them.
      It’s a clever game, but for the life of me I can’t see how anybody couldn’t see the shell game in it from a mile away (they don’t hide it)…except….a lot of these companies actively searched out investment from China, got it, and now the Chinese own controlling interests.
      In other words, American (and Canadian and Mexican) companies made truly horrid deals with the Chinese…for quick and dirty lucre in their personal bank accounts.

      Same thing is happening to our colleges.

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      • Carrie2 says:

        Jenny, what has bothered me for years how past presidents and Congresses have allowed so many countries come in and buy up land, buildings, banks, apartments, etc., etc. Money definitely was the object, but now these countries won’t have the benefits of past years any more. They will have to craft better products to sell here, ditto Mexico, if they want our money spent with them. The Chinese love great products and are beginning to know and enjoy more of the high life with more of their middle class they now have and will want to import them from here. While I lived years in Mexico, you had “coyotes”, people who would come to the States and buy items they know would sell well in Mexico to those with MONEY. They have good seamstresses but it was better clothing with a tag name on it. Ditto food items. You can be sure the politicians and riches Mexicans are dealing with the cartels. Sadly, Mexico has never had respect for its citizens and urging and helping them to rise, so it wound up having to be with bribes, stealing, etc.

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      • ecmarsh says:

        Speaking of milling.
        80 to 90% of the oats and oat products we eat are shipped from Canada and milled in the US.
        Hows come?
        Oats grow on scrub land. They are very cheap per bushel but command a high margin after (complicated) processing.
        If your land can’t grow nothing else you grow oats. Canada grows lots of oats.

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        • RedBallExpress says:

          Canada has a cooler and much better climate than the U.S. for oats. Oats used to be swathed in rows and dried in the sun for a few days before combining. The combine separates the straw and grain. Oats have a short harvest window and are extremely difficult to harvest during wet weather so this only works for less than a 1000 acres.

          On the monster farms of Canada today they spray Monsanto’s weed killer “Roundup” on Oats and Wheat a few weeks before harvest to ripen it and kill the green weeds. The combine cuts and separates the standing dry plants. It is legal in Canada and almost a necessity with the size of their farms.

          Your cheerios and bread are laced with Roundup that was sprayed directly onto the ripening grain shortly before harvest. Eat up!

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        • Jenny R. says:

          Oats and barley do grow better up there — so in that regard I’d like to see bilateral trade with Canada because my horses’ feed is getting expensive again! But no NAFTA…it’s a rotten deal.

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    • highdezertgator says:

      We buy too damn much stuff!
      Our pile of stuff is covered with a house!
      George Carlin – Stuff

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    • jonhabart says:

      Sundance had a nice article about 4th quarter GDP today, it appears that the recent report which estimated 2.6% GDP growth acknowledged incomplete data and used a -1.9% adjustment to fill the gap. Final 4th quarter GDP numbers come out February 28th and will likely between 3.5% to 4.0%. At the rate that the economy has been growing quarter after quarter I believe that 2018 annual GDP could exceed 4.0%.

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    • Watch for Wilburine and Light Sabre to strategically withdraw from NAFTA as the Trade Shot heard round the world that brought Manufacturing Plants flooding back to America.

      Flep nailed it:
      “If the Mexicans and Canadians don’t agree to our terms with NAFTA, we need to get the hell out of there immediately. This will cause many new announcements of companies coming BACK to the US.”

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    • Little Annie’s Fannie says:

      NC used to be the furniture capital of the world. NAFTA took that title away. Quality furniture used to be the norm, now you order and it comes in a ready-to-assemble box.
      How many other industries/states have lost due to NAFTA?

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    • Lindenlee says:

      U less thoses same companies make sure those lottery visas,and th3 H1Bs for “highly skilled workers” get to come in and the companies hire THEM instead of Americans. Think about it.

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  9. rf121 says:

    With SOTU Tuesday I think all the big news, such as a pull out of NAFTA would come after that. Unless POTUS decides to throw it in during his speech. That would be a real splody head moment.

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    • parteagirl says:

      Nice thought! Trump will be his natural showman self and deliver the news for the most favorable impact. I bet there’ll be a lot of standing on one side of the aisle and a lot of sitting on hands on the other at the State of the Union.

      Trump’s scheduled to visit the wall prototypes on Tuesday morning, too. Can’t wait!

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      • Minnie says:

        Thank you, I did not know about the visit to the Wall prototypes.

        👍

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      • Carrie2 says:

        And one of the walls has been tested by special military men and found not to be easy to get over it but one barely made it and we are talking here about strong, muscle built, military and not the people nor even cartels can get over and with vision to see the other side. It will get built or we will take matters into our own hands and see that Congress does what has to be done or else. Ditto in removing DACA, dreamers, no amnesty of any kind, no chain families down to 5th generation because all are criminals covering up one or more aliens and so no need to break up a family and just ship them all over to wherever, no anchor babies and repeal/close down Amendment 14 which was specially for blacks and no one else. All criminals removed and never ever should try and get back because we will have very handy armed Border Guards awaiting them. Time to clean out the riffraff from our country and save Billions of dollars we will use to build and complete the wall and by not taking on NAFTA again both Mexico and Canada will be paying for walls at both south and north borders for us. No more welfare, WIC, EBT, free phones, etc. will also save a bundle for wall and infrastructure repairs. But best of all we can sleep in peace and not worry about trash strewn everywhere, rapes, robberies, murders, and go after those sanctuary cities and states with a hammer! They are a big part of the problem and none of the solution.

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  10. Michael says:

    I’ll happily pay a few extra bucks if it helps MAGA.

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    • AM says:

      Some prices have started to rise a bit. And with that I say: good – lower taxes, more jobs that pay better.

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    • Lack is not all says:

      Everything will be better quality so its worth to pay that extra money. Fed up with Chinese garbage.

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      • Carrie2 says:

        Lack, the Chinese like and have plenty of quality stuff, but Americans wanted cheap stuff and they go it. Mexico sending over ceramics that made you sick or dead, China nicely crafted stuff but not of a lasting quality. We ate it up and that was not stopped because those in the WH and Congress were making more money on bringing it in.

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      • Esperanza says:

        There’s been a distinct drop in its quality here.

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    • Thecleaner says:

      Prices may go up more than you think.
      Here is a link to charts for current pricing for the key input commodoties for industrial use, including metals and energy:

      http://www.infomine.com/investment/metal-prices/

      You will see that most industrial commodoties including energy have increased by roughly 30-40% year over year.
      As the US dollar decreases in value, the price will rise further, as they are priced in US dollars.
      US manufacturers will now be getting far less materials for their money.
      Throw tariffs on imported aluminum, steel etc into the mix, those costs go even higher.
      Now, when the plant moves from Mexico to the US, labour costs will increase by probably 500% as well, and the US manufacturer further loses the benefit of their stronger currency in exchange rates.
      The Corporate tax cuts may or may not help…Mexico has a Corporate rate of 30%, Canada has an effective net rate of 15%.
      We could see some hefty inflation bubbling up across North America pretty soon…im not seeing wages increase enough to offset these costs, which Corporations will certainly pass on to consumers…or they absorb the costs and their earnings and stock prices get clipped.

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      • Thecleaner says:

        Here is an article on Ford and the auto sector in general, that operate with profit marging between 5-9% and the current problems they are facing due to weak dollar, and rising input costs.

        http://www.foxbusiness.com/features/2018/01/25/ford-struggles-to-improve-profit-margins-wsj.html

        Extrapolate these numbers 2 years out with massive tarrifs imposed on Mexican and Canadian imports, as well as steel and aluminum tarrifs…its bleak.

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        • Michael says:

          Yes their will adjustments but are you suggesting more of the same old same old is sane?

          If more US dollars remain in the US ultimately IMO we will be better off.
          Better my neighbor make quality steel for US consumption than poor quality Chinese steel. If the flow of USD outward could be curbed even better.
          (Worldwide, an estimated $574 billion (USD) was sent by migrants to relatives in their home countries in 2016)
          Country Remittances 2012 Remittances 2016
          India 68.82 62.7
          China 57.99 61.0
          Philippines 24.61 29.9
          Mexico 23.37 28.5)
          If it gets bad enough south they will be forced to look for a new ways of doing things.

          WITH should we import cheap labor so they can send their incomes back home doing exactly what for deplorable America?? I don’t care if ifones cost more!

          Terms of my retirement mean I cannot work in my former trade (the only thing at which I am truly skilled) therefore I’m currently on fixed income. I will absolutely feel the effects of higher prices but if it MAGA I will gladly deal with it. However with the improvement in the economy there may be more opportunity to learn something else available .

          IMO the number one problem is gvt kudzu smothering all aspects of American life and VSG-POTUS is taking the machete to it.

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      • Treeper Alert: Never forget
        Troll Team ZERO.
        • TheCleaner

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        • Thecleaner says:

          Challenge my facts…if you dare….if presenting facts makes me a troll, then, so be it.
          You sound like a little kid in the playground when somebody takes their ball away.
          I didnt raise the price of Steel 40% or energy, or copper or aluminum…if you can make cars without any of the above, and get Americans to work for $5 a day, then come back and have a chat….if not, back to the echo chamber.

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          • Keep tossing out FAKE “cases” for “massive tariffs” to announce life will be “bleak”.
            TROLL TEAM ZERO … you’ve branded yourself.

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          • svenwg says:

            If something is priced in US$s, it matters not to a company or individual if the dollar decreases in value 90%, as they will still be paying the same in dollar terms. E.g. electricity costs $1.00/KW, after devaluation, the cost remains $1.00/KW. Was that enough to illustrate your lack of knowledge when it comes to the economy????

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        • Thecleaner says:

          Does this phrase ring a bell

          The Last Refuge is a rag tag bunch of misfits that do not align with political specificity. We share information, seek known truths and discuss.

          Pay close attention to the share information, seek known truths and discuss.
          I shared info that is known to be true, and you, the thread Marxist wish to not allow discussion because it doesnt fit your chosen narrative…hmmm…sounds familiar

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          • Michael says:

            I welcome other viewpoints. How else will I learn? However I am not required to agree or accept. Will prices go up in the USA? Sure. Is that a bad thing? I am pretty sure having a country that literally cannot sustain itself, vulnerable to the whims of other countries, is the road to heck.

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            • olderwiser21 says:

              Same here, Michael – I am happy to hear what others have to say. I may not agree, but I don’t want to live in an echo chamber either. I want to be educated.

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      • wheatietoo says:

        Translation: “You’ll be sorry!”

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  11. mopar2016 says:

    I hope that president Trump cancels NAFTA. Enough is enough.

    Canada wants to add a climate change chapter to NAFTA.
    Canada also wants a gender equality chapter, an indigenous rights chapter, and they’re fighting against our “America First” policy. Who knows what other social justice nonsense they want?
    Sounds like more affirmative action to me. Trudeau and Freeland are nutcases.
    http://nationalpost.com/news/politics/liberals-plan-for-gender-and-indigenous-chapters-in-nafta-not-likely-to-happen-experts-say

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    • Absolutely. Enough is enough! End it.

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    • robins111 says:

      I agree that the trudeau government are ludicrous in their demands for for social engineering in the NAFTA agreements. What is carefully avoided in any discussion in the Canadian media is Trumps insistence that Canada live up to its pledge for NATO/Defence spending. As a Canadian it pains me to admit that the historical defence policy for Canada is that we live next door to you and we assumed that you’d have our backs if we had a problem

      What a lot of Americans don’t know however is that NAFTA was as destructive for us as it was for you, a significant part of our manufacturing industries packed up and moved to Mexico or offshore when the original agreement was made.

      Like to US, Canada is polarized with the urban centers being liberal/socialist and the rural being very conservative. However through legislation plus population density the urbans control Canadian politics.

      Further to that, the level of rural/conservative anger at the leeches in Ottawa or provincial capitals exceeds anything you have down there. I believe that a significant part of the Canadian population will be happy when trudeau does a face-plant and ends up with nothing out of these negotiations. If theres some some financial crunches as a result it won’t really bother the rural folks much as we’ve been looking after ourselves for generations. It’s kinda like that song ‘A country boy will survive’. I expect that the urban folks that see the crunch coming are hoping to get by, hoping to sell each other Starbucks coffee.

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    • Little Annie’s Fannie says:

      Why don’t we just free-trade him Obama.
      PS. As an added bonus, we’ll throw in Mad Max for “free”

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  12. usayes says:

    If I’ve said it once, I’ve said it 20 times on CTH – it’s all about the Rules of Origin — 100% NAFTA origin or no go… Whoever said NAFTA is dead is spot on—the Wilburine played the Canadians and Mexicans like a Stradivarius and Amb Lighthizer elevated “good cop – bad cop” to new heights.

    The only Sunset I see is the sun going down on Round 7. 🙂

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  13. emet says:

    Why should Mexican and Canadian exporters (and importers of their NAFTA) products continue to be essentially exempt from fraud and gross negligence penalties under 19USC1592? Read the law, then page down to part 5 of that law, where NAFTA prior disclosures are covered. Then throw up.

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  14. Founding Fathers Fan says:

    Ross Perot predicted a giant sucking sound as jobs left the US.
    President Trump has created a mighty whooshing sound as jobs return.

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  15. jmclever says:

    endless words that amount to nothing — the way of the leftist progressive

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  16. NAFTA and CAFTA are not working to our advantage, TPP is now history. Time to get rid of all this dead weight holding us back. Finally, we have sane heads making informed decisions! MAGA and keep it Great.

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  17. Publius2016 says:

    Great idea…announce end of NAFTA on the same day the President reviews THE WALL prototypes…no greater symbol of reclaiming American Sovereignty than building our southern border!

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  18. Thecleaner says:

    Parasite…meet host:

    From the office of US Trade Representative Lightizer:

    US.-Canada Trade Facts

    U.S. goods and services trade with Canada totaled an estimated $627.8 billion in 2016. Exports were $320.1 billion; imports were $307.6 billion. The U.S. goods and services trade surplus with Canada was $12.5 billion in 2016.

    Canada is currently our 2nd largest goods trading partner with $544.0 billion in total (two way) goods trade during 2016. Goods exports totaled $266.0 billion; goods imports totaled $278.1 billion. The U.S. goods trade deficit with Canada was $12.1 billion in 2016.

    Trade in services with Canada (exports and imports) totaled an estimated $ 83.7 billion in 2016. Services exports were $54.2 billion; services imports were $ 26.9 billion. The U.S. services trade surplus with Canada was $24.6 billion in 2016.

    According to the Department of Commerce, U.S. exports of goods and services to Canada supported an estimated 1.6 million jobs in 2015 (latest data available) (1.2 million supported by goods exports and 36- thousand supported by services exports).

    Exports

    Canada was the United States’ 1st largest goods export market in 2016.

    U.S. goods exports to Canada in 2016 were $266.0 billion, down 5.2% ($14.6 billion) from 2015 but up 15.3% from 2006. U.S. exports to Canada are up 165% from 1993 (pre-NAFTA). U.S. exports to Canada account for 18.3% of overall U.S. exports in 2015.

    The top export categories (2-digit HS) in 2016 were: vehicles ($48 billion), machinery ($ 40 billion), electrical machinery ($24 billion), mineral fuels ($16 billion), and plastics ($12billion).

    U.S. exports of agricultural products to Canada totaled $23 billion in 2016, our 1st largest agricultural export market. Leading categories include: prepared food ($1.9 billion), fresh vegetables ($1.8 billion), fresh fruit ($1.6 billion), snack foods nesoi ($1.3 billion), and non-alcoholic bev. (ex. juices) ($1.2 billion).

    U.S. exports of services to Canada were an estimated $54.2 billion in 2016, 4.0% ($2.3 billion) less than 2015, but 43.1% greater than 2006 levels. It was up roughly 218% from 1993 (pre-NAFTA). Leading services exports from the U.S. to Canada, in 2015, were in the travel, intellectual property (software and audio-visual), and transportation sectors.

    Imports

    Canada was the United States’ 3rd largest supplier of goods imports in 2016.

    U.S. goods imports from Canada totaled $278.1 billion in 2016, down 6.1% ($18.1 billion) from 2015, and down 8.1% from 2006. U.S. imports from Canada are up 150% from 1993 (pre-NAFTA).

    The top import categories (2-digit HS) in 2016 were: vehicles ($58 billion), mineral fuels ($54 billion), machinery ($19 billion), special other (returns) ($15 billion), and plastics ($10 billion).

    U.S. imports of agricultural products from Canada totaled $22 billion in 2016, our 2nd largest supplier of agricultural imports. Leading categories include: snack foods ($4.0 billion), red meats, fr/ch/fr ($2.2 billion), other vegetable oils ($1.8 billion), live animals ($1.5 billion), and processed fruit & vegetables ($1.4 billion).

    U.S. imports of services from Canada were an estimated $29.6 billion in 2016, 2.0% ($585million) more than 2015, and 23.6% greater than 2006 levels. It was up roughly 225% from 1993 (pre-NAFTA). Leading services imports from Canada to the U.S., in 2015,were in the travel, transportation, and telecommunications, computer, and information services sectors.

    Important facts from the above:

    1. The US runs a trade SURPLUS of $12.5 billion in combined goods and services trade with Canada. Given that the US population and economy is 10x the size of Canada’s, this would be the equivalent of the US having a $125billion trade deficit if roles were reversed.

    2. Since NAFTA inception, US EXPORTS INTO CANADA have increased by 165%

    3. Since NAFTA inception CANADA EXPORTS INTO THE US have increased by 150%

    https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/americas/canada

    Canada currently runs close to a $10billion deficit with Mexico….again given the economic size of Canada vs US, this is equivalent to nearly $100billion deficit if gauged against the US economy…the US – Mexico trade deficit is between $55-$60billion.

    The biggest loser in NAFTA has been Canada.

    So, as a Canadian, I take exception to being called a parasite, while at the same time pray this disastrous deal is ended.

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    • gda says:

      I endorse this message, while conceding that Trudeau and Freeland ARE nutcases.

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      • Thecleaner says:

        They are the problem….why they are tying Canadas mutually beneficial trading relationship with the US to Mexico is almost criminally negligent….Canada does absorb an overall trade deficit with the US, but we gain access to a ready market for 75% of our high quality exports…most of which are simply driven across the border and straight to market….And all of our manufacturing has left as well…its not like the US jobs came here….they went to Mexico and China

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    • starfcker says:

      Which I take to mean that a bilateral trade deal with Canada would be super simple.

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      • Thecleaner says:

        It should be…but look at the tools we have doing our negotiating….we need some industry leaders to step in and work with Ross and Lightizer and a deal could be chiselled out over lunch I guarantee it.

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  19. Tom says:

    Had tires put on today and was looking for a good tire pressure gage while I waited. There were about 7 or 8 different types. Every freaking one was made in CHINA ! Didn’t buy one. If your lucky you may get 1 in 20 that actually works ! Junk from junk manufacturers. I have a drawer full of air chucks from the chicoms that don’t work either.

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  20. MAGADJT says:

    Exactly! My Dad was largely non-political. Didn’t vote or even follow politics. One time I asked why he didn’t care. He said that he used to care like I did when he was younger, but finally realized that it didn’t make a difference in the outcome of things, and just served to gin yourself up for nothing. The only time I saw him support a candidate was Ross Perot. Perot spoke to the regular person like Trump does, but didn’t have the political skills.

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  21. Judy W says:

    Test – trying to log in with wordpress

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  22. KBR says:

    “Speaking separately, a second Canadian government source said Ottawa was cautiously optimistic about the round, given that the U.S. side had not summarily rejected the proposals for compromise.”

    This is reminiscent of a toddler’s testing game.
    I reach for the forbidden object on a coffee table and mama says “no no.”
    But I don’t move my little hand back because I think I can get away with this because she is still sitting there, with that “no no-look” on her face.
    I keep my hand stretched near the object, watching her, the I touch it, until she physically makes me move away (or in the good old days, pops my wittle hand or my wittle fanny.)

    Methinks some wittle fannies are ’bout to get popped.

    (And BTW, for you modern parents, the “pops” were NOT child abuse. Enforcing obedience about what a toddler could and could not touch was pretty important back in the days of cast iron wood stoves in winter and metal-bladed fans in summer. Failure to enforce obedience would be more abusive than enforcing obedience, because failure to train a child could result in severe burns or cut fingers. A little pop just said “I mean it.” And did you know even mama elephants will pop a baby elephant with her trunk if it disobeys? It is nature and natural, IMO. You cannot make every environment safe, but you can train a child early to obey.)

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    • Michael says:

      I find it sad you even feel the need to explain a swat to make it clear what is and is not acceptable when teaching a child. Drives me nuts out in public when some “enlightened” parent is trying to reason with a 3 yr old.

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      • Carrie2 says:

        Michael, my father says you are crying? Well, let me give you something to cry about! My mother took my brother and I shopping and if one cry started, off to home we go. They were real parents and not “friends” or “progenitors” but not parents. My mother liked several items on the coffee table or on shelving and warned what would happen if we even breathed on them, and I can remember we siblings all told little friends don’t touch any of these items or you die. So Mom never had to move or remove her items, and we all had chores in washing dishes, mopping floors, cleaning bathroom, making beds and keeping organized closets or else! Taught with love to be real human beings with respect for others and ourselves.

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        • Minnie says:

          God bless your Mom, such a wonderful mother ❤️

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        • Michael says:

          We don’t “child proof” beyond things immediately dangerous.
          No means NO and challenge at your risk.
          Servers where we eat out are all the time telling us how polite are our grandchildren/children.
          (The ones we have custody)

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        • Oldschool says:

          Your mom let you use a mop carrie???? Not mine, hands and knees in my house and then a coat of wax. Had to do this every saturday morning before I could play with my friends. Valuable lessons learned from wonderful parents.

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        • KBR says:

          Are you my sibling? Lol. Same training at my house.

          On every Friday after school, it was clean clean clean, every baseboard, every doorframe, and the floors too. Spic n Span, literally. There were 4 kids and yes the 2 boys had to do it too.

          When we finished and did a good job, after dinner dishes were washed dried and put away, we could watch 2 Friday pm TV shows, and drink the only sodas we were allowed for the week. Good times. Outer Limits, Twilight Zone! 😳Then run to the bedroom, say our prayers, and get under the covers where the boogymen couldn’t getcha!

          Oh, and my dad said the same thing about crying. And if we talked and giggled or argued in bed, he would simply say “Don’t make me come in there!” In the dead silence he would make a lotta noise unbuckling his belt: he meant business and we knew it.

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        • tuskyou says:

          My parents were strict–as an adult I thank them for it. They did not play around and they didn’t give second and third chances.

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          • KBR says:

            I was stricter with my grandsons than my daughter was. They have moved but for some time I watched them daily after school and school days off, til mom got home from work.
            Their homework was done and their chores (including cleaning house and doing dishes) before she arrived.

            We also played games, and laughed together while working so it was not all harsh. But I meant business.

            Used to call them my lil soldiers and make them snap to when I gave them directions, and their answer had to be “Yes, ma’am!”

            But before I left For home, I called them together again for a group hug. 🙂

            They loved it. She asked why they listened to me and not to her. I explained, but she just couldn’t do it. Too sweet natured😇 for her own good. Not a meanie like her mama.😉

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            • tuskyou says:

              My parents let us know there was a time to play and a time to work. So we had time for both! The expectations were higher when I was a kid. We were expected to do certain things and function at a certain level. No excuses! I suspect plenty of treepers had this type of upbringing.

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            • olderwiser21 says:

              KBR, I have had the exact same experience with my 4 adorable grandsons that live next door. I have essentially been a third parent, but I am the no-nonsense one who also gives lots of hugs and kisses and positive comments along with the “rules of life”. The boys treat me entirely differently than they do their folks. It has been interesting to watch, but entirely predictable.

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            • old deplorable owl says:

              I often wonder how much of this coddling and “friends with” nonsense is guilt over being away at work all day. When I was young (I had a dinosaur for a pet ;-)), fathers went to work and mom stayed home with the kids. Most families today can’t afford that luxury.

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        • Little Annie’s Fannie says:

          And I’m sure that when you hit your knees at night, you thank God for having loving, caring parents!

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      • KBR says:

        Yes it is.
        But the SJW authorities are always on the lookout for such “child abuse” these days. Ever ready to take your children.

        Still it irritates me no end to hear a mom chasing a kid around

        “Jaimey, now Jaimey, please don’t do that. Please listen to Mommy. If you come here right now Mommy will buy you candy. Jaimey? Jaimey? Please?”

        Arrrrgh! 🙄

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    • Maquis says:

      Failure to teach and enforce disipline are just as critical in this age as any. Simply different hazards. Such as Civilizational decline and a decaying society.

      As always, the failure of parents to parent costs their nations and the world more than it does their children themselves.

      Sad.

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  23. Minnie says:

    “This round of talks is expected to continue through Monday”

    Again – just in time for our President’s SOTU address.

    Pffft, I’m confident in ALL our Wolverines.

    As always, Sundance, your clear and concise analysis is greatly appreciated.

    🍋, always remember the lemon 🍋

    😁

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  24. Justice Warrior says:

    I want to see a list made public of who the “significant number of Washington DC politicians, willing to take massive bribes from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce lobbyists and support the export of American economic jobs and wealth.” That needs to be circulated before elections!!!

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  25. HankM says:

    I hope the negotiators reach a fair and mutually beneficial trade deal at least between the U.S and Canada. Negotiate separately with Mexico if they must.

    An agreement would maintain good relations but a collapsed deal might not. It would be a positive signal to the world if the 2 closest and largest trading partners in N. America could reach a trade deal together. But economics trumps relationships I suppose.

    On a somewhat related subject, the picture showing Robert Lighthizer in close proximity to Chrystia Freeland made my toes curl. She looks tense and uncomfortable. If Robert had accidentally, or in an innocent and friendly way, touched her back etc, she might have recoiled in horror and made a “scene.” Whether she would jeopardize a trade agreement over an accidental or innocent touch is unknown but her boss Justin had to profusely apologize to the House of Commons several times for touching a female NDP MP in the chest. Justin’s back was turned and his elbow definitely struck her accidentally as he was angrily ushering a Conservative MP foreword. Fortunately a video was available (to the nation) because the upset female MP dashed out of the House of Commons in a huff soon after the contact.

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    • HankM says:

      Here’s the “Trudeau Tantrum” for anyone that hasn’t seen it.

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      • The But Guru says:

        What is the story behind this? Why did “Oh Hey Hey It’s Justin” go full Pink Socked SJW warrior Princess in this video?

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        • HankM says:

          The small crowd in the aisle was stalling and holding up parliament regarding a vote on a Liberal Bill on assisted dying. I believe you have to be in your designated seat area for counting purposes. The Conservative Whip was being deliberately blocked by the lefty NDP, so Trudeau stormed down there to break it up. He tried pushing the Whip through the gathering and that’s when the jostling occurred.

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    • rf121 says:

      Was she upset about being felt up by a woman?

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  26. Michael says:

    Wilburine stated there are countries selling us steel that have no steel production facilities which means their steel sales are scams to circumvent R of O.

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  27. Maquis says:

    CanaMex is smoking weed if tbey think their little machinations on NAFTA are gonna roll Trump.

    Anticipating Schadenfreud. Bigly.

    GBPDJT
    🇺🇸

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  28. scott467 says:

    “Canada and Mexico have been lobbying U.S. politicians hard to retain their parasitic trade positions. Additionally, a significant number of Washington DC politicians are willing to take massive bribes from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce lobbyists and support the export of American economic jobs and wealth. This is another key UniParty indulgence issue.”

    __________________

    And DJT should expose them ALL at the State of the Union address.

    Expose them the same way we exposed the Russian missiles in Cuba before the entire U.N. assembly.

    ……………………………….
    “Ladies and gentlemen, the state of our Union is strong, but we have a cancer which I am removing tonight.

    Here is the evidence, and it is not just overwhelming, it is undeniable and indefensible.

    The following Senators and House members are being arrested, right now, for taking millions of dollars in bribes, ‘pay for play’. Bribes from Tom Donohue’s Chamber of Commerce, and bribes from foreign nations to influence U.S. policy.

    Senator Jeff Flake, please stand up. You will be escorted by the Capitol Police and you can make your phone call when you get to the police station.

    Senator Diane Fienstein, please stand up. You will be escorted by the Capitol Police, and a bail hearing will be set for tomorrow morning.

    Senators McCain, Graham, Durbin and Schumer, please stand up. House Members Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters please stand up, the Capitol Police will be escorting you to the station.”
    ………………………………….

    And go right on down the list.

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    • Sevenwheel says:

      Trump won’t do that, nor should he. That would terrorize rank-and-file Democrats into thinking that Trump was purging Congress like Saddam Hussein purged the Baath party. Trump is going to let Jeff Sessions announce the indictments, and the wheels of justice will slowly but surely grind up the guilty parties in the conventional fashion.

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  29. LondonFog says:

    No one takes down the United States of America. Your constitution and very fabric prevents this. But you are under attack. You must fight for your children. Godspeed America. The British will fight. We are! We have all been here before. This time you have the lion. Sent by God to deal with this perversion. God Bless you All!+

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    • Maquis says:

      God Bless you too, Cousin. We pray for Britian as well as for our own Beloved Country. We pray for most all actually, but our kinship and shared civilizational underpinnings and struggles ensure that our relationship will always be a special one.

      Cheers!

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  30. simicharmed says:

    “The Giant Sucking Sound Going South”…remember this 1992 Presidential Debate with Ross Perot?

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    • simicharmed says:

      Notice his final words too! “You’ve wrecked the country…..with $6/hour…..both countries”

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    • ForGodandCountry says:

      This is the man directly responsible for giving us the Clintons by splitting the GOP vote in the 1992 elections. Jus’ sayin’

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      • starfcker says:

        You’re going to blame Perot? Bush was at 90% approval at the end of the first Gulf War. 18 months later we booted him out of office with 36% of the vote. Maybe his pushing NAFTA had something to do with it?

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      • Blade says:

        This is the man directly responsible for giving us the Clintons by splitting the GOP vote in the 1992 elections. Jus’ sayin’

        The 1992 election is now a retroactive IQ test, yet even knowing the correct answer today, somehow you still failed. Just sayin.

        Some of the blame goes to the 37% who voted for Bush41 despite the NWO trajectory he launched us on and despite the infamous read my lips, no new taxes fiasco. And I sadly include myself in this group ( in our defense, most fellow vets especially USN would take no chances on the draft dodger Bubba being elected. And even if we were entertaining the possibility of jumping to Perot, the deal was sealed for many of us when the footage conveniently surfaced of a WWII sub fishing Bush out of the Pacific after his Avenger was shot down ). If all of us in that 37% had joined Perot’s 19% the total of 56% would have exceeded the 53% Bush got in 1988 and approached the 59% Reagan got in 1984.

        Some of the blame goes to the 43% who voted for Clinton despite all the problems he had exposed ( drugs, soft on crime, sexcapades, lies, etc ). This was when the blue dogs and Carter (D)ummycrats lost any remaining control of their party to the Kennedy/Clinton leftists forever.

        Some of the blame goes to the Enemedia who discarded any semblance of fairness by willfully ignoring the most amazing stories exposing Bubba ( Gennifer Flowers, Clinton calling Cuomo a mafioso, his Oxford communism, Arkansas shenanigans, drug use, affairs, rape, etc ) a huge laundry list of bombshells they buried.

        Some of the blame goes to Bush41 himself. In 1988 he ran as an unabashed Conservative beating up Dukakis mercilessly as a radical Liberal but refusing to even utter that word again in 1992. What really happened was that he reserved his scorn for Perot for daring to challenge him rather than going on offense against Bubba. This exposed, in hindsight, his uniparty affiliation for all the world to see. It was not visible to most of us that election season but is crystal clear now. There was no space at all between Bush41 and Clinton on NAFTA and the China juggernaut. The globalist NWO uniparty cabal had a heads I win, tails you lose scenario.

        So there was all this blame to go around, yet despite the hindsight granted by the passage of time you choose to blame the only person NOT guilty of a serious mistake … Perot? That’s an epic fail. ( okay, Perot could have ran a better campaign by not taking time off, could have picked a higher energy VP candidate, but at least he put his money where his mouth was buying huge TV infomercial time to bypass the media blackout, but his mstakes were dwarfed by those made by the rest of us ). Unless you are actually willing to state that Perot voters should have voted for Bush41 then your comment really needs a /SARC tag!

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        • Orygun says:

          I would just like to add that my family of blue dog Democrats and a lot of others voted for Perot because it was an election that had the major parties running candidates that no one wanted.
          Little did we know it was the beginning of the uniparty. All we knew was that something was stinking up DC and it wasn’t Perot.

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      • Founding Fathers Fan says:

        ForGodandCountry
        For 20 years Republicans have been saying that Perot took votes mainly from Bush, and if it weren’t for his candidacy, Bush would have won a second term. I think that’s bunk, mainly because it’s a feeble attempt to rewrite history. Bush’s approval ratings were in the 30s for most of 1992, and wouldn’t you know, that’s exactly the percentage of the vote he got in the election. After twelve years of GOP control of the white house, Bush couldn’t shift any of the blame for the bad economy and most voters held him responsible. Then there was natural Republican fatigue and a desire for new blood. Bush would have lost with or without Perot.

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      • ForGodandCountry says:

        I’m going to “reply all” above by saying yes, I still choose to blame Perot. It was stated that the hindsight granted by the passage of time should be taken into account. Fine. Perot voters should have voted for Bush41 and saved us the Clintons, and all that has followed from them ever since. NAFTA would’ve still been NAFTA, but…..with the benefit of hindsight….we would have avoided so much else. JMHO. Feel free to call it stupid. As ever, I reserve the right to be wrong at all times.

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        • old deplorable owl says:

          Appreciate your honesty, but one could just as easily say the Bushwa voters should have voted for Perot. With much misgiving, (outsider, sound familiar?) I voted for Ross, hoping other conservatives would do the same. But at that time, the party apparatus still held total control of elections. My state at the time had closed primaries, as do many others, so to me, it was a miracle he made it to the general.

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  31. ForGodandCountry says:

    Ever notice how the repeal of the Glass-Steagall provision of the Banking Act of 1933 came just 5 years following the enactment of NAFTA?

    Everything is connected.

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  32. CONCURRENT CAMPAIGN vs TRADE with CHINA:

    “US President Donald Trump has revealed he may once again sign the US up to the Paris Accord climate change agreement, Piers Morgan has revealed on Twitter.”

    President Trump’s showing the NAFTA “partners” they’d better race to cut a deal, by showing how he deals with China’s failure to rein in the NORKs’ Nukes.

    ALL of China’s Export Advantages are DISAPPEARING and FAST.
    • He’s just sanctioned China on their Solar Panel trade abuse.
    • He’s got multiple other China Trade-Abuse Investigations underway..
    • He’s accused China of Currency Manipulation.
    • He’s also fingered China for massive Theft of Intellectual Property.
    • China’s facing YUGE cutbacks in Industrial Exports to America under federal policy to “Buy America”, along with President Trump’s initiative to Reindustrialize America.
    • China’s Prices and Profits for ALL Exports to America are plunging with decreases in the value and therefore buying power of the Dollar.
    • Mexico and Canada are now facing the end of NAFTA over excessive non-NAFTA content for autos due to their imports of Chinese parts and sub assemblies for cars that MexiCan “partners” been exporting duty-free to America.

    What would President Trump have in mind for a Renegotiated Paris Climate Deal that is “Good for the U.S.”?
    • China must MASSIVELY invest in emissions reduction and control to meet American standards.
    • China must EQUAL the share-of-GDP funding that America is providing to Third World producers that cannot afford emissions-reduction investments.
    • Third-World Countries that need funding for emissions reduction from America will receive it in return for a COMPENSATORY share of export industries or natural resources that America needs, displacing China’s business with them when China refuses to provide the funding above.

    Too much WINNING yet?

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/910924/brexit-european-union-eu-conservative-party-theresa-may-phillip-hammond-uk-cabinet

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  33. jeans2nd says:

    Princess Sparkly Rainbow Twinkles spoke in a Davos forum 25 Jan 2018 that discussed NAFTA called “New Avenues for Global Trade” which has been removed from youtube (but not from my hd).

    Princess Twinkles made a durn fool of herself. Chrystia Freeland spent the early part of the forum attacking the U.S., listed every SJW demand be included in NAFTA, and going so far as to blame the U.S.’s “protectionism” for causing WWI and WWII. Yes, Freeland really said that, dbl checked the vid.

    The Mexico Economy Minister was the one who stood up for the U.S. The other men – Japan PM Economic Advisor, and the CEOs of Mensk and UPS – finally chimed in after the WWI/II remark. But, believe it or not, it was the Mexico guy who spoke up, every time. The Mexico guy even was hinting at an agreement w/the U.S. – Canada already has a bilat w/the U.S., iirc. Princess Twinkles finally backed off into silence.

    These NAFTA rounds look to be funner and funner, should they last. Having listened to Amb Lightbringer Lighthizer speak at think tanks in the past couple three months, we cannot lose.

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  34. dayallaxeded says:

    I was struck by the 3 bullet points for the negotiations–seems to me they translate from bureaucratese to plain English: CA and MX want to 1. lie, 2. cheat, and 3. steal. I think it’s past time to cease “negotiations” and go with “ultimatums.” What’s the point of being a 10 ton gorilla, if you can’t sit where ever you want?!

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  35. Founding Fathers Fan says:

    After watching some re-runs, I’ve come to the conclusion that President Trump needs to hire Judge Judy as The White House negotiator. 😉

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  36. TheWanderingStar says:

    I’m ready for the “Lighthizer Round” in this NAFTA game. It’s where MAGA will be awarded the grand prize! Wolverines!

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  37. covfefe999 says:

    We were discussing the Cargill CEO above but I decided to post this down at the bottom of the thread, I’m hoping for some feedback and education. I am pretty ignorant about the ag industry. But when I hear the CEO of Cargill try to justify his support of NAFTA in terms of “jobs” and “farmers”, I’m just not buying it. As the CNBC host points out, the agriculture industry is heavily subsidized. I think Cargill CEO loves where he’s at right now, cushy subsidies and a trade agreement that benefits HIS industry. Does he care about the rest of the industries affected by NAFTA?

    I also thought his inspirational bit about “putting food on the table” was disingenuous since most of the “food” the food companies produce is pure garbage, non-nutritious or barely-nutritious junk filled chock-full of additives and questionable fat and sugar substitutes. I blame the food companies for the vast majority of the obesity epidemic, but I believe that even those people who aren’t suffering a weight problem are still being deprived of good nutrition by eating the processed foods the food companies produce.. I was a heavy user of frozen dinners because I’m a busy career person and often arrive home from work quite late and don’t want to take the time to cook a dinner from scratch. But I set a goal for 2018 to cook my own dinner at least 3 times during the work week and guess what happened? I started out cooking my own meal and it was so awesome I haven’t resorted to eating a frozen dinner at all the entire month of January so far. The fresh additive-free taste of my home-cooked meals is so vastly superior to the frozen dinners I no longer have the taste for the frozen dinners, and my meals are well worth any wait while I prepare them. Pretty soon I’ll be weaning myself off of packaged treats and making my own of those as well.

    Anyway, this video is from August 2017, I think that’s when NAFTA panic (created by the Democrats, globalists, and NAFTA abusers) reached a high pitch.

    https://www.cnbc.com/video/2017/08/31/cargill-ceo-exiting-nafta-would-be-a-big-mistake.html

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    • covfefe999 says:

      I just want to add that if I’m mistaken in any of my assumptions, like let’s say Cargill or some of the other companies don’t make the finished food products but are only involved in the raw materials, definitely let me know. I would like to be more educated about this.

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  38. dufrst says:

    So we are a $19 trillion economy with 350 million people and Canada and Mexico combine are $2.5 trillion with about 160 million people. So we are 9 times the economic size and over two times the population of these two and they think that they are on equal footing with us???

    I think they need to agree now to our trade terms or we get out of this scam of a deal! The Midwest has been stripped of its production because of NAFTA. As the most recent GDP report shows, there’s no point in your consumption growing, if it’s going to buy imports (it cancels that growth out)! This is why trade deficits matter and why we should demand that more production that is meant for our market, be done in our country! And for goodness sakes if we are going to have a NAFTA the same should hold. If the product is meant for NAFTA market, it’s production needs to be done within NAFTA.

    I’m sick of all these multinationals saying “well we do all the R&D in the US but our production is done in a low cost country” R&D jobs don’t nearly make up for the loss of thousands and thousands of production jobs for our blue collar workers. We have plenty of white collar jobs! We need to look out for our citizens who rather work with their hands! Bring the jobs back! MAGA!!

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  39. TheWanderingStar says:

    Seven rounds?!! I believe that these rounds are nothing more than a softening up Mexico and Canada; laying the ground work that will lead to immediate bi-lateral agreements once NAFTA is concluded. Time to “Cowboy up” as Sundance has said.

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  40. G. Combs says:

    In 1995 two multilateral agreements, NAFTA and WTO were ratified.

    ***Gross Domestic Product (Trillion USD)***
    Country…GDP 1995 …GDP 2016…Increase
    USA ….. 7.6641 …. 18.5691….2.4X
    Canada .. 0.60403 … 1.5298….2.5X
    Mexico .. 0.34379 … 1.046…..3.0X
    China … 0.73455 … 11.1991…15.2X
    India … 0.35555 … 2.2635 …6.4X

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  41. John charles says:

    Wilburine stated there are countries selling us steel that have no steel production facilities which means their steel sales are scams to circumvent R of O.

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