Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin: “stick to the goal of denuclearization on the Korean Peninsula”…

Well, that didn’t take too long.  For those who might not be familiar with the key issue in the breakdown of prior six-party talks (China, Russia, DPRK, S-Korea, Japan and U.S.), the issue was “denuclearization”.

Both China and Russia have just announced a shift in their public policy.  Together Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin agree the goal for the Korean Peninsular should be denuclearization:

BEIJING (Reuters) – Chinese President Xi Jinping and Russian President Vladimir Putin agreed Sunday to “appropriately deal with” the latest nuclear test by North Korea, state news agency Xinhua said.

“The two leaders agreed to stick to the goal of denuclearisation on the Korean Peninsula and keep close communication and coordination to deal with the new situation,” Xinhua said in a brief dispatch.

The two were meeting on the sidelines of a summit of the BRICS group of nations in the southeastern Chinese city of Xiamen. (link)

The objective of “denuclearization” sets the stage for five members of the group to have a common objective for “six party talks”.

As we have outlined numerous times when China actually calls for the six party talks to begin – it is essentially the geopolitical indicator they are conceding to the economics of the U.S. position.

Everything between now and that moment is chaff and countermeasures.

President Xi Jinping and President Putin are making these remarks today at the BRICS Summit. Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa are the BRICS group:

President Trump’s ever increasingly warm relationship with Prime Minister Modi of India is both leverage for Trump and a risk for Xi Jinping and Putin.

Our president has made it publicly obvious the Trump administration views India as a replacement ally for retracted economic engagement with China.  We are also supporting India’s objectives and investments in Afghanistan.

Things are going swimmingly.

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106 Responses to Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin: “stick to the goal of denuclearization on the Korean Peninsula”…

  1. wolfmoon1776 says:

    PUHLEAZE. Take your fake denuclearization and talk to the hand.

    Liked by 9 people

    • wolfmoon1776 says:

      Don’t believe you for a second, China. Even with Vlad giving you a winking shill hand.

      Liked by 6 people

      • wolfmoon1776 says:

        China, who brought us #FakeNews, #FakeTrade, and #FakeRepublicans, now wants us to believe in #FakePeace? Yeah. Sure, China. What’s the price? Keep the massive trade deficit?

        G T H

        Liked by 11 people

        • TheWanderingStar says:

          Yep, totally agree. And President Trump needs to give the vise another good turn on both, just for good measure.

          Liked by 6 people

          • wolfmoon1776 says:

            Exactly! And the extra turn is just break-even! I say keep turning until we need a new vise!

            People out in American Chumponomics Land who do not see that CHINA basically owns the casino house advantage on nuclearization of the peninsula are not even card counters in this game. We have been chumped for DECADES because we have been led by house-loving shills who fell for the free drinks and the cute service.

            It’s time to WALK OUT and SOBER UP.

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            • “Exactly! And the extra turn is just break-even! I say keep turning until we need a new vise!”
              Must be a Chink vise. Cheap breakee stuff, made from cast mud!

              Liked by 3 people

              • wolfmoon1776 says:

                LOL! OMG – I can’t even BEGIN to talk about the broken Chinese pot-metal parts I’ve dealt with. Cast mud is right.

                HOWEVER, they make decent guns. And they were making decent guns even in the ’80’s.

                People need to bear that in mind. That fact escapes with REAL intelligence. Even their OLD GUNS that they sold us for cash back under Beelzebubba were pretty decent.

                So DON’T ASSUME they are not keeping the quality at home. THAT is part of their “surprise” strategy. They want there to be overconfidence.

                These people read Sun Tzu in the original language. THAT is an advantage.

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                • scott467 says:

                  “HOWEVER, they make decent guns. And they were making decent guns even in the ’80’s.”


                  Chinese AK47s, at least the older ones (1980s up until the ban) are some of the best made in the world.

                  Poly Technologies (a.k.a. PolyTech) and Norinco were the primary exporters. PolyTech is still alive and well today, supplying vintage parts for these weapons:


                  Here is a video on the PolyTech Legend, the ‘Cadillac’ of the PolyTech line.

                  This particular example has an underfolder stock (popular in the Middle East), they also had/have a standard stock, and other PolyTech models (with stamped receivers) were / are available as underfolders, standard stock and side folding stocks.

                  The Chinese are capable of making very good weapons.

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                • wolfmoon1776 says:

                  Thank you! I knew people would scoff just at the assertion – like I did, way back then, until a guy with some serious gun knowledge schooled me on the high quality – ESPECIALLY AT THE PRICE – of the post-SKS Norinco stuff that was coming in.

                  First they sent us a bunch of expiring corrosive ammo and old SKSs and semi-auto AKs, but very quickly they turned that cash into new weapons, and began monetizing THAT as a form of early arms sales. The old garbage, sold at rock-bottom prices to people on the American right, created “instant preppers on the cheap” who Bill Clinton could then use as a foil for his corrupted DOJ to call “domestic terrorists”. Thankfully, the second part of that scam didn’t work quite as well as the first.

                  The real quality happened with the money from selling off their old stuff. Much of the early new stuff was EXCELLENT copies of non-Chinese arms, sold at highly competitive prices. I’m sure it was a loss leader at first, but quickly they moved the prices up just enough to steal as much business as they could but make it self-sustainable.

                  No free lunch. The only profit I REALLY made buying any of it was to spot the scam. THAT was worth it.

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            • fleporeblog says:

              Wolfman our Lion 🦁 is going to make sure that China 🇨🇳 pays the ultimate price! With 1.7 billion people, their need for gas ⛽️ is astronomical. They will be agreeing to the largest sale of LNG one can imagine. We are talking about $400 billion dollars 💵 or more a year.

              Remember Ivanka is traveling to India 🇮🇳 at the end of November for a women’s summit. It will also be the time India 🇮🇳 announces a major deal to purchase our LNG which they are currently negotiating. They have 1.25 billion people that need gas ⛽️.

              This is going to be incredible to watch! I am now thinking our Lion 🦁 may get our GDP to 5% a year all on his own through these trade deals.

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              • wolfmoon1776 says:

                We need to be reinvesting that energy money in mining and manufacturing. In particular THORIUM, NEXT-GEN mining technology (which allows quantum leaps in multiple areas), and a home electronics industry that can produce 100% trusted 100% American electronics. If we DON’T do these things, then we just become a DISPOSABLE ENERGY COLONY OF CHINA. And HELL’S BELLS to that!


              • I’d rather see President Trump work deals that commit American LNG to allies, and restore balance in trade with China by massively reducing our imports of all things industrial.

                This leaves room to sanction countries and corporations importing industrial goods from China, in the event that China fails to solve the NORK problems.

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              • iamanamerican says:

                fleporeblog, respect your views. However, India procures LNG from Iran on their own currency (Rupee) and not in USD. This helps India to counter Pak moves in the region. Unlike EU region, India uses LNG for power generation and to some extent for Transportation (India is a pioneer in using LNG as a fuel for some of their locally made automobiles) and hence their demand may not match what we assume for 1.3b people. However, there are some excellent maneuvering POTUS can do mainly with India’s relationship with Pak and ChiCom. Already, POTUS declared couple of ‘religion of piece’ outfits as Terror org. If POTUS openly says India has every right not to sign up for One Road project of Chicom, it will totally make ChiComs to jump of the cliff. Plus, India is already assembling other South ASEAN nations except Pak and ChiCom to counter their opponents Geo Political /Financial moves.

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        • JohnnyII says:

          ” #FakeRepublicans”

          Yup, we really should begin investigations into how many, and who were bought by China.

          Liked by 4 people

          • The Devilbat says:

            Well, think about this, McConnell is married to Elaine Chao who is Chinese.


            • A2 says:

              Elaine Chao is from Taiwan (ROC). Not all Chinese are the same. Neither in looks or in outlook.

              Liked by 2 people

              • carrierh says:

                A2, so right. It is an insult to call any Taiwanese Chinese. They are a separate nation and proud of it and China hates it. Had teachers in Oriental Medicine from both China and Taiwan, and you can be sure they rarely spoke to each other. China’s cover language, Mandarin is the new Chinese language, while in Taiwan I have to stop, think and remember Taiwan uses the old Chinese language and spelling. I like both countries but they have different directions in who they are and what they do. People keep saying Yin and Yang as only one process and should know Y & Y have 5 different appearances and to say that China wants war and peace and they are active at the same time is only one of the 5. Y&Y mean balance in all, i.e., daytime is Yang and nightime is Yin, Cold is Yin and Heat is Yang, and they can transform one into the other. Fascinating to study Y&Y but in the Oriental Medicine it is used to overcome diseases and illnesses by righting the balance of the whole body and not just a drug or surgery on one part only.


      • Howie says:

        Maybe the nulearzation of the Norks would help.

        Liked by 1 person

  2. Pam says:

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  3. Pam says:

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    • Mia C says:

      Whoa. Yet another Clinton mess that Trump is having to clean up. They wouldn’t be a nuclear power without BJ Clinton. Anyway, the Mattis response put some confidence in me.

      Liked by 7 people

    • Howie says:

      Uhhh…I thinks they are already threats unless I am missing something.

      Liked by 3 people

      • wolfmoon1776 says:

        The secret of tweets that age well. Know the present that others deny, and speak it now.

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      • The Devilbat says:

        How about the Chinese gave Kim a hydrogen bomb or two in order to test both the power and the resolve of these United States?

        If one of the bombs reaches its target then China can blame Kim and say that they had no part in it. If we shoot down the ICBM and/or take other military action, the Chinese will be able to assess our military power and strategies and compare it to their own.

        Either way, It would be nothing short of a 100% win for them.


  4. FofBW says:

    These 6 way talks could turn into a very long drawn out delay and distract process. However, we do have President Trump in our corner.

    Liked by 3 people

    • wolfmoon1776 says:

      Oh, totally agreed! Those talks are an idiot card game to take your money while you’re allegedly waiting for a table. Ahem – NO – we’ll be seated for dinner now or we walk.

      Time to use that process back against China. They want smoke and mirrors? Fine. We can play that game back at them and make it look like MAGIC.

      Liked by 4 people

      • I’d just like to take a minute and urge everyone that hasn’t done it already to read the homepage of wolfmoon1776
        We have one seriously brilliant mind here that enriches the posts of the brilliant “sundance”
        This is a great site without some of the smartest people…..even better with the likes of wolfmoon1776 and others.
        Keep posting wolfie it’s a pleasant educational experience for all of us.

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        • Thank you for posting this comment. I went to Wolffe’s site and started reading his article on Hate Porn. Brilliant and this paragraph ties in to the current discussion.

          “If you wonder why China – as in communist China – meaning Marxist China – which may have something to do with cultural Marxism – is so heavily funding Hollywood – well, there you go. It’s war against America, and if they can turn our self-harming Hollywood grasshoppers into mindless servants of the ants in Beijing, well why not?”

          This is another reason why we need to deal with China with any means necessary.

          Liked by 3 people

  5. JBrickley says:

    Right after the SK seior security official exited a 90min emergency meeting post DPRK nuclear test and effectively said they were ready to accept the most powerful US assets on the southern peninsula!

    So yeah, denuclearization because SK is ready for nuclear arms to be positioned after the US removed them in 1991. SK is ready for a whole lot more than THAD missiles.

    Liked by 7 people

  6. Pam says:

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  7. Pam says:

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    • wolfmoon1776 says:

      Seatbelts. That, combined with Mnuchin speaking as he did, makes me think Trump is well past the “we are giving them options” stage.

      Wiley Coyote may be in thin air already, and Roadrunner Trump will say “meep-meep” after much fallage.

      Liked by 2 people

  8. bkrg2 says:

    It doesn’t matter whether you believe China (or Russia) regarding denuclearized Korea. Trump has them right where he wants them! Even crazier is that Sundance is the only person to outline this weeks ago. This is amazing to watch unfolding right before our eyes.

    Being National Prayer day, I did not expect this! I prayed for the first time in over 25 years.
    A YUGE thank you to georgialf for providing several prayers today.

    Liked by 24 people

  9. Founding Fathers Fan says:

    The toothpaste cannot be put back into the tube.

    Liked by 2 people

    • vidlbis says:

      Well… some people do try, but three things happen.

      First, the toothpaste will not go back in the tube.

      Second, you make a total mess all over yourself and everything else.

      Third, you give up.

      Fourth, you still have to clean everything up.

      Er… nobody expects the

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  10. fedback says:

    In the German election tv debate, Merkel says North Korea problem must be solved peacefully
    Recovering drunkard Schultz doesn’t like Trump and says the solution to the North Korea problem is for EU to cooperate with Trudeau of Canada and with Mexico…

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  11. The Secretary’s letter includes nine (9) special envoy, special representative, special advisor, coordinator, and related positions that will be removed or retired:

    The Special Envoy for the Six-Party Talks position will be removed, as the talks ceased in 2008. One position and $224,000 in support costs will be realigned within the Bureau of East Asia and Pacific Affairs (EAP).

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  12. Publius2016 says:

    If not for Congress, President Trump would’ve solved NK by the Fall. Let President Trump and his Team of Patriots negotiate deals with Russia and watch as the world’s economies all grow with America First!

    Liked by 5 people

  13. MK says:

    I’m not a religious and bend to no one or thing, however I will take a knee for the man who is saving the Republic.

    Liked by 7 people

  14. Pam says:

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  15. n1ghtcr4wler says:

    Xi is the biggest guy of the BRICS. He didnt starve as a kid

    Liked by 1 person

  16. Founding Fathers Fan says:

    Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter gave nuclear weapons to North Korea.

    Liked by 3 people

  17. litlbit2 says:

    We, the USA, have ourself a President. President Trump not a war monger. Mr. Un would be wise to consider any puppet requested escalation activity very carefully.

    China supposedly reported as stating,”President Trump better not go first”.

    I remember growing up in times of stress my dad would say, “I will not help you on, but I will dam sure.help you off”

    All in due time, we wait. We will not be first in bloodshed…….

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  18. Pam says:

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  19. When you have them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow.

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  20. Mia C says:

    I need to read the former posts here on this subject, but if anyone can explain it to me quickly I’d appreciate it.
    –What in D HELL is North Korea doing? Why have they just started going batshit crazy like this? I don’t understand their motivation.
    –Is it basically China’s underhanded way of trying to get Trump to continue letting China rape us economically? I just don’t understand why they are going crazy.


    • missmarple2 says:

      Your last statement is closest to this. Basically, China trots out another NK crisis whenever they want something from the US.

      Trump is fighting back with a series of economic squeeze plays, unnoticed for their significance in the MSM, which is why you probably don’t know about it.

      You really need to read the explanations given on the last 2-3 articles on this subject.

      Liked by 9 people

  21. billygoat65 says:

    I always thought political science was an oxymoron until I came across TCTH and Sundance’s analysis.

    Liked by 7 people

    • Creideiki says:

      Billy said “I always thought political science was an oxymoron”. That might be because the subject taught at most universities under that name resembles political science the way astrology resembles astronomy, alchemy resembles chemistry, or Marxist economics resembles economics.


  22. Joe says:

    What this probably means is that Kim has gone too far and war looms. Russia and China will attempt a finesse, but after Bush, Clinton, Bush, and Obama Kim will think he can bluff another one.

    Liked by 1 person

    • mimbler says:

      Yes, that is one of the many problems of appeasing a bully. They never believe you are serious when you finally are. And I doubt that they view Trump very differently than obama or clinton. Just another US president.
      That would be a catastrophic mistake on their part.

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  23. freddy says:

    Those two.hahahahah. Like McConnel and Ryan saying they will for sure pass that bill. Biggest liars there are on earth. Stalling for time doing kabuki just like McConnel does every day of his life…

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  24. Bull Durham says:

    Here’a an interesting history of the world’s reaction to the first NK nuclear test in 2006.
    Note Russia and China in the list and the US reactions.
    George W. Bush barely raised concern compared to Putin.


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    • jackphatz says:

      …”White House Press Secretary Tony Snow said the USA would go to the UN to determine “what our next steps should be in response to this very serious step.”….

      That was unfortunate.


  25. Southern Son says:

    Not that I’m not nervous at all about NK, but your Insights allow me to not Fret so much over it, Sundance.
    I have tremendous Confidence in P45.
    The Boss has Got This!
    Thanks again Sundance, the Oracle.

    Liked by 6 people

  26. Joe says:

    China has billions in population…cutting off trade would put them in immediate jeopardy of a civil war because US dollars feeds a huge portion of their populace.

    And it would impact their ability to continue the build up of their military.

    Us? It means no more cheap Walmart crap, the end of backstabbing Apple and a gigantic boom in US manufacturing and small business growth resulting in the explosion of the American middle class (which would drive Hussein crazy – good!)

    I can live with that and “Bigly!!”

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  27. kurt72 says:

    As SD has stated before, the 6 party talks is our goal. China has to save face and this statement with Putin does just that. Winning!!!

    Liked by 1 person

  28. President Trump is a brilliant strategist. I sense a big, positive development coming in the next couple of months.

    The key phrase in the quoted article about Putin and Xi is “the two leaders agreed to stick to the goal of denuclearisation on the Korean Peninsula.” Read that very carefully. They didn’t say the denuclearisation of “North Korea”, but of the “Korean Peninsula.”

    That is a very positive development as it is the stated desired outcome of the DPRK as well. The tricky part is that DPRK will not give up their nukes unilaterally (if they really have any; I’m of the “video or it didn’t happen” approach to that issue). But how the parties get there is a procedural matter. This is very encouraging.

    Always trust Trump.

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    • usayes says:

      Clearly, the fact that this development occurred so soon after PDJT advised that the USA might not trade with anyone who trades with NORKland should tell you that SD is once again spot-on and that this joint statement will serve as the start of “FACE-SAVE 2017!”

      If the Jenny Craig reject tries anything serious, I’ll genuinely be surprised.

      Still waiting for my red Tzu-Trump ballcap to be made by some agile U.S. manufacturer!

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  29. georgiafl says:

    Having been in NK as a child when the war started, having our military base bombed for days and nights, having to escape in the dark of the night in jeeps without headlights, having been loaded in the hold of a guano ship bound for Japan, having my Army Major father stay until Truman fired MacArthur, essentially the first US war without a victory, I’m darned good and ready for the end of North Korea.

    Enough of this tin pot, cruel, barbaric, tyrannical regime.

    End the regime, end the separation of the two Koreas. Please.

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    • AM says:

      Wow. Yes, it’s time to finish this war. Either NK backs down and our problem is solved, or we solve it and unify North Korea with the South. I don’t know what the state of their military is, but after 60+ of insane government it must have next to nothing.


    • mimbler says:

      So you were a military dependent during the actual Korean War? That would have been terrifying. I’ve read of the chinese flooding across the border en masse to reinforce the NK.

      Liked by 1 person

      • georgiafl says:

        We were in Yong Dong Po on a military base where my father was an army pilot teaching the South Korean military how to fly.

        Yong Dong Po

        I guess it’s a suburb of Seoul now:


        We children were terrified, and I guess my mother was too. She packed all our outgrown clothes in the dark of the night…so when we got to Japan, we had to let the Red Cross supply a change of clothes until they could fly us to San Francisco.

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  30. Paco Loco says:

    The NORKs have been escalating their nuclear/missile testing ever since PDJT took office. Each escalation has been accompanied by Kim’s “saber rattling” i.e. “We can hit Guam now you Yankee running dog.” We have responded with a show of force in the South China Sea by moving three carrier groups into position off of DPRK and with economic sanctions intended to squeeze Kim.
    Neither has apparently been strong enough to move Kim to renounce his nuclear arms program. Now the latest provocations with the missile flight over Japan last week and yesterday’s underground test of a nuke we’re sure to draw a strong response from the US.

    If China is calling the shots, and if we believe that Xi is Kim’s puppet master as Sundance theorizes, what is to be gained by poking a stick in the eye of the US and our allies? Isn’t China worried about the trade deficit that they have with the US? What about China holding billions in Tbills that we can render worthless over night? It sure would seem that China wouldn’t want any disruption in their economic engine ( cash flow, cash flow, cash flow) by getting into a trade war with the US or provoking the US into armed conflict with Korea. What do they gain ? Seems like they have more to lose than we do if they continue to forment instability.

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    • georgiafl says:

      Our ‘show of force’ has included the embarrassment and humiliation of losing two top-of-the-line battleships to stupid accidents in which ship captains, officers and the Commander of the 7th Fleet were canned.

      I’ll never forget the sight of the USS Fitzgerald being towed into port, flag at half staff, man overboard flag, no sailors standing on the deck, no ceremony, no official greeting, not even a salute.

      Our military has been degraded by all the PC garbage and 8 years of Obama intentionally, systematically diminishing US military, national security, sovereignty and solvency.

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    • El Torito says:

      As Sundance stated China has no other leverage. And prior 4 presidents fell for this charade.


    • Exactly. And I think you just defined Trump’s entire strategy.

      We do not want war with the Norks. And I only see one questionable problem in this strategy. We are gambling that China is not being honest with us in portraying that they have little control over Kim.

      If it turns out they really DON’T have much control over this crazy little fat boy, then I see war as inevitable.

      But I have a gut that Trump is right on this one, and that we have both the Norks and China by the ying yang…..

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  31. Howie says:

    Imo the Norks will bitterly cling to their nukes and emp’s until we pry them from their cold dead hands.

    Liked by 1 person

    • mimbler says:

      I can’t disagree with you Howie, but I fervently hope you are wrong. I know literal generations have grown up in fear there, but I maintain the smallest of hopes that he’ll be overthrown for their own survival.


    • psadie says:

      We have to take out Kim’s 17 year old son who is to inherit the Kingdom and continue the cruelty…good riddance!


  32. Howie says:

    I have not heard a peep from Civil Defense. Do we still have Civil Defense?


  33. They both got the phone call on Saturday and both said to their respective aides/watch officers, “The crazy mofo now has a WHAT?”

    They live next door to Li’l Kim. And he’s got a LOT more IRBMs than ICBMs.

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  34. jstanley01 says:

    Little wonder Steve Bannon got fired with nonsense analysis like this…

    “‘We’re at economic war with China,” he said. ‘It’s in all their literature. They’re not shy about saying what they’re doing. One of us is going to be a hegemon in 25 or 30 years and its going to be them if we go down this path. On Korea, they’re just tapping us along. It’s just a sideshow.'”

    Just a sideshow? Hell, we may just be looking at the beginning of World War III. Some sideshow. And, says Bannon:

    “‘There’s no military solution to [North Korea’s nuclear threats], forget it. Until somebody solves the part of the equation that shows me that ten million people in Seoul don’t die in the first 30 minutes from conventional weapons, I don’t know what you’re talking about, there’s no military solution here, they go[t] us,’ Bannon said. ‘To me, the economic war with China is everything. And we have to be maniacally focused on that. If we continue to lose it, we’re five years away, I think, ten years at most, of hitting an inflection point from which we’ll never be able to recover.'”_

    “They go[t] us,” says Mr. Bannon. Nice defeatism.

    Of course there is a military solution that would protect Seoul, described by two words: Tactical nukes. Specifically, nuclear artillery shells, which could be infiltrated to the 38th parallel with neither China or North Korea knowing a thing about it.

    Personally, when someone self-confesses to maniacal behaviour, I take them at their word. And with Honolulu and Anchorage already within range of Kim Jung-un’s missiles, if not Seattle, Portland and San Francisco, I agree with Mr. Bannon. Focusing on an economic war with China, as opposed to looking at all of our actual options in the face of threats of nuclear war from North Korea, is crazy.

    Love ya’, but let’s not get tunnel vision in the face of an existential threat, folks.



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