Robert Mueller Probing Flynn-Turkey Financial Lobbying Arrangements…

Here’s one angle to the Robert Mueller investigation that was entirely predictable.

Special Counsel Robert Mueller is now seeking documents from the White House on Michael Flynn and his personal arrangement to lobby for Turkey during the 2016 election.  Specifically they are looking into the financial aspects and whether Flynn masked the lobbying payments made to him.

Before getting to the crux of the issue, CTH must remind everyone that back in November of 2016 when we first discovered (During the Transition) the possibility that Flynn was under consideration for ODNI or National Security Adviser role – WE WARNED this was going to be an issue – SEE HERE November 17th, 2016.

We knew even before the election this could be a problem.  As far as we could surmise at the time – the Trump Campaign and subsequent President-Elect transition team, had no idea that campaign advocate and campaign adviser Michael Flynn was also being paid to lobby in DC on behalf of the government of Turkey, and Recep Erdogan.

The entire Flynn lobbying arrangement was beyond sketchy.  Before the election Flynn penned an op-ed advocating heavily for Recep Erdogan –SEE HERE–  The content was entirely disconnected from the assembled foreign policy outlook of Candidate Donald Trump. The Flynn Op-Ed was actually counter to candidate Trump’s policy views.

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The disconnect was specifically noted in Trump’s public alliance with Egypt’s Fattah al-Sisi which was clear in their September 2016 meeting two months prior to the Flynn Op-Ed.

It was obvious there was no way Candidate Trump was aware of Flynn’s private lobbying agreement with Turkey (Recep Erdogan).   The campaign would never have pre-authorized the public advocacy for Recep Erdogan.  That simple understanding was the reason for our warning in November.

In short CTH knew that mess would become an issue in various ways because Flynn’s paid lobbying advocacy was counter to the expressed Mid-East policy of the President-Elect.

Unfortunately, it also makes reasonable sense, now as it did in November, that Flynn might use some shady financial technique to isolate/hide the inherent policy contradiction stemming from the lobbying problem he alone created.

In order for Michael Flynn to get the ODNI or NSA role, he was going to have to either: A) explain and reverse, or, B) retract and refund, or C) try to cloud/hide it.  We feared the latter. Hence our warning.

Additionally, if I was to be completely wide open – in my heart-of-hearts – the reality of this part of the Flynn background is the real reason I believe Flynn was fired, and, well, more specifically, not much of an effort was put up to save him.

In essence the entire ‘Pence misleading on Russia angle’ was integrity strike #2, not the first.  The first integrity strike was Flynn misleading, perhaps through omission, the Trump campaign on the Turkey lobbying issue.

I never expanded much beyond a few comments because sometimes it’s just better to let bygones be bygones and move forward.  Flynn doesn’t present as a bad guy, and he’s not disloyal, but he put the President-Elect into a tough spot with an early integrity issue because of this Turkish Lobbying advocacy, and his subsequent financial arrangement.

Well, today it appears those Turkish chickens have come home to roost.  And while I have no compunction to advocate or support Special Counsel Robert Mueller, on this specific issue I cannot state with intellectual honestly this is an unworthy aspect/angle to investigate.  All of the critical events and dates did take place during the campaign of 2016.

If Flynn intentionally masked the method of payment, or concealed the source of origination, in order to avoid sunlight on the lobbying controversy, which would diminish his chances to get a job in the administration, well, Flynn has no-one to blame but himself.

While we can most certainly understand the need to earn an income, Flynn won’t find CTH defending him much on the issue of how he concealed the lobbying job and possible payments therein.

Despite President Trump’s warm feelings toward Flynn, he should also accept this trouble is Flynn’s alone.  Actually, Trump should be a little miffed that Flynn’s self-interest clouded his judgement and as an outcome cast a shadow on the early days of the Trump administration.

Given the lobbying contract Flynn willingly, and seemingly quietly, accepted during the campaign; Flynn should have understood his position of advocacy was potentially damaging to Trump, and Flynn himself should never have looked for a job in the White House.

WASHINGTON — Investigators working for the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, recently asked the White House for documents related to the former national security adviser Michael T. Flynn, and have questioned witnesses about whether he was secretly paid by the Turkish government during the final months of the presidential campaign, according to people close to the investigation.

Though not a formal subpoena, the document request is the first known instance of Mr. Mueller’s team asking the White House to hand over records.

In interviews with potential witnesses in recent weeks, prosecutors and F.B.I. agents have spent hours poring over the details of Mr. Flynn’s business dealings with a Turkish-American businessman who worked last year with Mr. Flynn and his consulting business, the Flynn Intel Group.

The company was paid $530,000 to run a campaign to discredit an opponent of the Turkish government who has been accused of orchestrating last year’s failed coup in the country.

Investigators want to know if the Turkish government was behind those payments — and if the Flynn Intel Group made kickbacks to the businessman, Ekim Alptekin, for helping conceal the source of the money. (read more)

Here Was Our 2016 “Tread Carefully” Warning

 

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486 Responses to Robert Mueller Probing Flynn-Turkey Financial Lobbying Arrangements…

  1. Paco Loco says:

    In the US, you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. I am amazed at all of the posters here claiming Flynns guilt for a yet unstated crime. Has Mueller found collusion with the Russians by Flynn? By Trump Jr. ? , By Paul Manafort? By Jared Kushner? This whole Special Council investigation was a put up job by the Dems and RINOs to get Trump. SInce there is no there there on DJT, they will have to indite someone, anyone to save face. That’s the beginning of the BigUgly and it will begin when congress returns from their recess.

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    • janc1955 says:

      I think many people are hopeful we can limit the damage to one sacrificial lamb, and they’re okay with Flynn being the sacrifice. Slaughter Flynn and Mueller will pack up and go home. I don’t buy it.

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      • Coast says:

        Not only do I not buy it, but I wouldn’t want to see anyone become a sacrificial lamb since that implies a lack of wrongdoing. I want the criminals prosecuted.

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      • Homesteader says:

        I am one who is NOT hopeful for a sacrificial lamb, especially not Flynn.

        “But one of them, named Caiphas, being the high priest that year, said to them: You know nothing. Neither do you consider that it is expedient for you that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.”

        I want obama hung by his little balls and Hillary hung from a gibbet.

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    • Scott says:

      This is terrible! They finally have uncovered the crime of the century involving some guy who was fired in week.
      I hope everyone realizes that if this is what Mueller has decided needs to be investigated then it means there is nothing at all concerning Russia/Trump that needs to be investigated.

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      • darcy says:

        It means that what needs to be investigated is the Mueller-Comey collusion, Elizabeth Carlisle (and her more famous name: Loretta Lynch) and her BLATANT disregard for both ethics and THE LAW — in colluding with the Clintons and Comey.

        I do so want HEADS TO ROLL.

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      • Lois says:

        Hope Mueller goes the way of Stalin. He acts just like him! A Stalinist!

        Mueller may be the cause of an uprising if he does anything to Trump! I can see all the motorcycles converging on the White House and after that 1 million people following them. This Mueller, he wanted to work for Trump and now he does this? Loser like the others. McConnell, Ryan, the Bushes, McCain, his blond boyfriend Graham, etc., etc. all want Trump out because THE PEOPLE LOVE HIM! The normal people, that is, Hey Mueller go have a Grand Jury for the real criminals, the Clintons and all their campaign criminals doing their dirty work. And I heard that Hillary Clinton just rehired her seniro Aides? Why? To coach them if they have to testify? Lieing under oath means nothing to the Clintons, they believe in it. Hey, senior Clinton Aides, watch your BACKS, before you have to testify and I mean that literally! With friends like Hillary Clinton, you don’t need enemies.

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    • farmhand1927 says:

      Best comment on this thread is by Bull Durham, posted at 4:00.

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    • brenrod says:

      it was always obvious the trump ousted flynn for his Erodogan ties and deception… Trump stated at the time that he would encourage his staff talking to russia. The turkey thing was played down because donald was played by flynn.

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  2. gandiji says:

    IIRC, former House Speaker Dennis Hastert was being paid $35,000 a month by Turkey AFTER he was retired; I have no idea if he was paid anything while he was still Speaker.

    IOW, Turkey spreads the money around. (Is it logical to think that Turkey is the ONLY nation doing this?)

    Hastert was also involved in payoffs in a sex scandal (involving far more money than he could have earned from his public salary).

    Drain the swamp!

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    • georgiafl says:

      Begs the question – Is Turkey running child/human trafficking rings in the USA?

      Islamists make lots of $$$ selling people, drugs and p0rn around the world.

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      • Brian L says:

        We know for a fact that muslims in general have no problem with pedophilia. Wouldn’t be that much of a stretch to go from diddling kids to selling child porn.

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      • Risasi says:

        Turkey, no probably not. However I would suppose they are ostensibly involved globally.

        The sad fact is that it would seem the US is involved in child/human trafficking rings in the USA. That is why investigating the Clinton Foundation will unravel the veil and reveal much of what has been going on.

        I do believe there are three main facets to the Clinton Foundation that need investigation;
        1. Human trafficking as you mentioned. Yes, for sex. But also likely for organ harvesting too. I think it is no accident John McCain was using Mayo clinic for his recent medical problems. Look no further than Haiti and the Clintons for more info. That rabbit hole will take you places you probably don’t want to go.
        2. Pay for play, and money laundering and special off the books black/deep state operations funding. The shadow government has a belly too and it needs to be fed. Systems like this is how they do it. Speaking of…McCain also has a foundation: http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/19/exclusive-soros-clinton-linked-teneo-among-donors-to-mccain-institute/
        3. Occult practices. These people are federated and bound together by this garbage. It’s shameful to even have to talk about it, so I won’t. But make no mistake, many in D.C. are involved in this stuff. Modern day Baal worship.

        https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/11508
        https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3664
        The Pedoesta brothers are good friends of Hastert. In fact Tony Podesta and Denis Hastert spent time together in Japan, it appears on several occasions. They were part of a “People to People” program back in the 60’s.
        Ref: Hastert’s book “Speaker: Lessons from Forty Years in Coaching and Politics”

        As George Carlin said, it’s the Big Club and you (we) ain’t in it!

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        • georgiafl says:

          Islam is Islam – and I don’t trust any of them. Al Sisi’s Egypt still jails people for ‘disrespecting Islam’. Saudi Arabia has subjected women to less than full human rights and has slavery. Yech.

          From its inception Islam has been a plague and vehicle of barbarism.

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          • NJ Transplant says:

            You are right georgiafl. Many congress people and senators are being wined and dined by Turkish interests. I know my former NJ congressman was. They all sold us out to allow unlimited H1b work visas for the Turkish charter schools. That is the real scandal. We should return Fethullah Gulen to Turkey. The charter schools are controlled by him and his allies He denies any connection to the charter schools, but got a green card for being a top educator. Which is it? They are taking over by infiltrating our educational system. They are doing it with our tax payer funds.

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        • Sherlock says:

          “I think it is no accident John McCain was using Mayo clinic for his recent medical problems.”

          What does the Mayo clinic have to do with anything?

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        • whoseyore says:

          …and don’t forget the murders.

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    • Bill Clinton was being paid $500,000 for “speeches”(i.e., bribery)by bad actors all over the world while his wife, Hillary, was Secretary of State. Under community property laws, 1/2 the money was paid to Hillary. Where’s the Special Counsel??

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  3. danield49 says:

    So, the big take away…. Trump is not infallible. He can make mistakes, especially when deep state, GOPe, NeverTrumpers and Obama hold overs are allowed free reign in the admin. Does anyone find it funny that McMasters is being defended by all the enemies of Trump in the media and Washington DC? Even with the fact that McMasters tried to hire a Bengahzi lier to his staff. Does anyone, even SD, see that leaked POTUS phone conversations are unprecedented. Then there’s this. Just saying.

    Russians under every bed. https://t.co/q23R3aK1WX— Mike Cernovich 🇺🇸 (@Cernovich) August 4, 2017

    //platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

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    • Tejas Rob says:

      >Does anyone find it funny<

      What I find funny is the number of people the past few days who are trying to convince us that President Trump is being duped by the deep state. Same thing happened after the missile strike on the Syrian air base.

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      • Someone(McMaster’s) duped him because the fact is the Syrian military did not drop chemical weapons on no village. Although it’s a fact that Islamic terrorists(ISIS) have been caught numerous times firing off home made chemical weapons mortars in to Syrian villages. By the way President Trump is still following General Flynn’s military foreign policy advice. Not McMaster’s.

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        • Tejas Rob says:

          > the fact is the Syrian military did not drop chemical weapons on no village.<

          You do not know that as fact.

          Doesn't matter either way, whoever did it now knows that President Trump will pull the trigger. If he finds out it was someone other than Assad, they'll get a cruise missile in the ear.

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    • deanbrh says:

      twitterdanield49 , that //platform link leads to a whole bunch of code. Is there a way we can interpret it? Above it there are actually two important links, one to the Mike Cernovich Tweet and the other to a Bill Kristol Tweet, both shocking (at least to me) in their vitriol. I can’t figure out whether McMasters is a white hat or black hat. And I can’t figure out why POTUS can’t arrange to have a phone no one can tap. Maybe I’m too dense….and scared of folks like Bill Kristol. Your links eventually lead me to an interesting site:
      fivethirtyeight.com The right column on that site keeps some unique stats.

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      • Andie G says:

        Regarding McMaster, read this Twitter thread to see the silliness spreading around about him. Not only is Cernovich being hysterical, the left is now using it to their advantage by supporting McMaster too, so as to make even more on Trump’s side think he’s being stabbed in the back. He’s not. Trump could fire him any time he wanted. Think Sun Tzu.

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  4. US says:

    Flynn should be defended quietly and if needed pardoned. Gen. Flynn was the subject of an elaborate coup d’État timeline orchestrated by Barack Hussein Obama, NSA, CIA, DNI, FBI, Sally Yates, Director Comey and the Mainstream Media. They could indict your mother if they wanted.

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    • WSB says:

      Or Flynn was part of it. We’ll see.

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      • georgiafl says:

        Flynn may have been sent by Obama as HUMINT to spy on and compromise Trump campaign.

        Being a Democrat, covering up his Turkey lobbying, lying to Pence indicates a man who is basically dishonest.

        It was the Obama/Comey FBI that cleared Flynn to be in Trump administration.

        Good riddance.

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        • Minnie says:

          I agree.

          It is quite clear, to anyone with an open mind, that all the cogs in the system meant to impune OUR President were set up by the prior usurper in chief.

          Needed to resesrch “HUMINT” and glad I did, thank you.

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          • georgiafl says:

            I’ve been reading a lot of Tom Clancy lately.

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            • BebeTarget says:

              Georgia, whether true or not or just tin foil hat stuff, I read that Clancy’s body had the same tell-tale markings as Andrew Breitbart’s body. Clancy was mentioning things that he wasn’t supposed to. Today, anything is possible and nothing is unbelievable.
              Something odd though, I was watching an episode (from 2008) of a British mystery series and the murder victim had the same markings that Andrew Breitbart and Tom Clancy were reported as having. After a PM, the pathologist said it was from a particular, odd poison. Interesting coincidence. But that’s just make believe.
              In politics, there is no such thing as coincidence, I think FDR once said.

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          • deanbrh says:

            So HUMINT is short for Human Intelligence gathered by spies. Simple enough!

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          • Kathy says:

            Minnie … General Flynn’s stellar reputation was dragged through the mud (before he finally resigned) for having voiced concerns over military brass “cooking the books” to more closely reflect the prior usurper-in-chief’s fantasies about the Middle East. Consequently, why would Mike Flynn be willing to impune the only person — President Trump — with enough power to completely destroy that prior usurper-in-chief’s legacy?

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        • Will Janoschka says:

          Flynn may have been sent by Obama as HUMINT to spy on and compromise Trump campaign. It was the Obama/Comey FBI that cleared Flynn to be in Trump administration.
          Good riddance.
          Why all your deep state vitrol, with no evidence that Mike Flynn has done anything except be the best spook the US has ever had! The very best person for national security adviser and still approved by congress for that job. Reinstate Flynn. Let McMaster take on the job of DHS. See if he can be as good as COS Gen. Kelly. Lying to VP Pence hah!! That is what good spooks are trained to do! Pence was not his boss!

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          • georgiafl says:

            Your estimation of Flynn is about as authoritative and accurate as mine. Grin.

            But, I said ‘may have been’ – he’s a Democrat. So was Scaramucci and both brought problems galore.

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      • Judy Whelan says:

        Wow! That’s interesting…..

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      • JudyW says:

        Wow! That will be interesting…..

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    • Flynn was fired immediately and before he could affect any policy changes. What is the the big deal here.

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  5. 6x47 says:

    I recall public statements from the transition team that the legal advisors told certain people being vetted that the Trump team was not responsible for providing legal advice regarding compliance with regulations, that was up to the individual to seek his own legal counsel and sort out these matters.

    No name but it was clearly a reference to Flynn and his paid lobbying.

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  6. 4sure says:

    IMHO, the mule has one goal and only one goal. Take out Trump and his family in any way possible. Mule is a member of the club. ALWAYS question the motives of any politician or hired gun.

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    • NC PATRIOT says:

      Mueller has a little problem. As he investigates Flynn back in time, Flynn got his security clearance under Obama and worked for him. If he investigates Don Jr and the nothing meeting, he comes face to face with all those other people at the meeting–And Fusion GPS–and wherever that leads. (like to the Clintons) So he will have to do a totally one sided investigation to leave them out.

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  7. tonyE says:

    Let’s get back to basics… Flynn might have had a conflict of interest.

    Hillary, Bill, Omaba, the whole bunch in the Obama Administration, Pelosi, Harry, the Clinton Foundation.. etc, etc… those guys ALL BROKE LAWS. We know that.

    Let’s look into the obfuscation by Elijah Cummings and the Administration during the Hillary “hearings”.

    Yes, as a matter of fact, it “does matter now”.

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  8. duchess01 says:

    ‘The simplest things’: Ex-Russian Ambassador Kislyak opens up on what he discussed with Flynn

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  9. Delilah says:

    Remember how this whole Flynn thing started? Flynn gave some seminars where some Russians were in attendance, so that proved that Flynn is a Russkie spy. They ditched that effort when they realized that in order for it to be true it would have to be true while Flynn worked for Obama.

    So now they’re moving the goalposts by pushing their second-choice agenda, which is Flynn-Turkey. The angle has now changed from Flynn is a Russian spy to now Flynn was being blackmailed by the Russkies because of these secret payments received by Turkey.

    Well, in order to be blackmailed, it needs to be a secret. Flynn writing an article about Turkey isn’t exactly keeping things secret, so that shoots that theory in the foot too.

    They got nothing on Flynn, and Flynn knows it….

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  10. rayvandune says:

    I hope President Trump takes the attitude that Mueller is in effect a firewall: Trump can drain the swamp as vigorously as he promised, and if it is claimed he does not have the moral authority to do so, simply point to Muellef and ask if only Republicans can stand scrutiny, and offer the share the “blessing”. Allowing Mueller to freeze Trump’s agenda is doing what the corruptocrats want. And if such action tempts Mueller to expand his charter, use that to destroy him.

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  11. Tim Tarr says:

    Isn’t Turkey an Ally of the US, and a member of NATO? Now if Flynn attempted to cover up that money than there may be a crime.

    Please indict Flynn. I just can’t wait to see him testify. I just hope he doesn’t take sweetheart deal Deep State offers him. Bring it on!!!

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    • Deplorable_Vespucciland says:

      Wouldn’t mind if General Flynn uses the Ollie North defense and tells the Special Counsel to take a 5th Amendment hike. This FakeNews witch hunt needs to end sooner rather than later.

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  12. Tonawanda says:

    OK, this is totally embarrassing. Mueller’s mandate was explicitly linked to the Russia investigation.

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3726385-Order-3915-2017-Special-Counsel.html#document/p1

    I was confusing Sessions’ recusal with Mueller’s mandate, and in my mind I confused the two.

    When I just went back to check, I realized to my horror how wrong I was.

    I apologize profusely for my mistake.

    But I still think the DNC “hacking: is the central fact of the collusion investigation, and that is not good for the Dems.

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    • Joan says:

      Don’t be embarrassed. You’re just human, although an honest one.

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      • Tonawanda says:

        TY so much. I do feel bad.

        I can see where I made my error. I read Sessions’ recusal a while back which covered “the campaign.” And somehow in my mind that became Mueller’s mandate.

        I am glad I re-checked today.

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        • cboldt says:

          Sessions’ recusal and Mueller’s mandate are or should be approximately the same. Their exact expression is slightly different, but Mueller’s mandate is roughly “into the Trump campaign” which is what Sessions has recused from.
          If Sessions doesn’t have a conflict of interest in a case, there is no justification to give that case to Mueller.
          Another way to think of it is that Rosenstein can’t take parts of Sessions’ portfolio (without Sessions’ agreement), and give them to a SC. Rosenstein can only delegate the parts of Sessions portfolio, that Sessions has delegated to Rosenstein.

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          • Sherlock says:

            You are right, legally– but Rosenstein (I think intentionally) wrote the mandate very broadly, in my view. Lots of wiggle room. And Rosenstein shows no inclination to get involved in reining Mueller in. Mueller will be allowed to do what he wants if Rosenstein has the call, I fear.

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            • cboldt says:

              The mandate recites this …

              (b) The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confirmed by then-FBI Director James B. Comey in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:
              (i) any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and
              (ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation

              The way that many people turn that into a broad mandate is to take (b)(i) in isolation, reading out connection with the Trump campaign. That is, they read it as “any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign” as though any individual associated with the campaign is under investigation for activities unrelated to the campaign.
              But Comey did not describe activities unrelated to the campaign on March 20. Points (i) and (ii) aren’t meant to EXPAND the grant of (b), they simply define or limit the contents of (b).
              FWIW, Congress knows EXACTLY what Comey was describing on March 20. Comey briefed the entire House Intelligence Committee and the Gang of * as to EXACTLY which persons were under investigation. See March 20 hearing, look for the word “briefed.”

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              • Sherlock says:

                Did Comey also testify in closed session that day?

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                • Sherlock says:

                  And BTW, it’s a great analysis, but I think as a practical matter Rosenstein won’t step in, and Mueller will push and push, and frankly nobody will know how far he is going.

                  Rosenstein is afraid he will be tarred by the press with the obstruction brush himself, based on his authorship of one of the “fire Comey” letters. You know Mueller is trying to make Comey’s firing into obstruction, that is clear. So don’t be surprised if Rosenstain is afraid of touching the thing at all at this point. It was precisely because of Comey’s firing and the supposed Trump conversations with Comey that Rosenstain appointed Mueller. This, because some of Trump’s pubic statements seemed to indicate that the firing was in so me way tied to the “Russia” stuff–said so to Lester Holt, inexplicably. Mueller then came under fire by the lefty media, and intensely. They described the letters as a sham to get rid of Comey to stop the Flynn investigation and “Russia” investigation.

                  Mueller was given the opportunity to “Redeem” himself by the left press, and did so. He is now back in their good graces. He will not want to rock the boat and get in the middle of this.

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            • cboldt says:

              One separate thought. The spotlight hasn’t turned to Rosenstein yet. So far, all the leaks and rumors about what Mueller is investigating turn out to be things in the campaign timeframe. Fylnn, the June 16 meeting with Natalia V.
              If news reports take hold that Mueller is expanding, as they did with news reports that Mueller was investigating Trump for obstruction, Trump’s lawyers will come out of the woodwork.

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              • Sherlock says:

                No, I don’t think they would “come out of the woodwork.” The grant would clearly cover obstruction of the investigation itself. And you can believe that Mueller is in fact trying for an obstruction case, among other things. This is without question the case, you’ll see.

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    • Minnie says:

      It takes one with extremely strong character to apologize.

      ❤️

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  13. TwoLaine says:

    If this were about hanging chads we’d at least be done with it all already!

    How ridiculous all this is over one WINNING election.

    #WastedTime&WastedTaxpayer$$$$$$$

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    • Deplorable_Vespucciland says:

      This is what happens when one Party which loses an Election is allowed to attempt to criminalize the opposition Party. That is banana republic governance and the opposite of making America great. It needs to stop before things get out of hand.

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      • TwoLaine says:

        Exactly my point. TY.

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      • JoAnn Leichliter says:

        Too late, alas.

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      • yadent says:

        Which ‘opposition Party’ are you referring to??? I’m aware of no ‘formal’ one (see unanimous Senate vote on Trump recess appointments amongest other such actions). Those hoping for quick justice or honest policies from this system are in for a BIG disappointment. The system as is has had DECADES to descend to it’s present status. There is way too much money/power at stake for it to just ‘roll over’ just because of a ‘non-club’ President. This will be a long, drawn out UGLY fight as long as Trump is in the WH….and the fight is just beginning.

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      • Wisc says:

        What bothers me is that our government is not acting in the best interests of the American people. It is not high minded, it is not even handed, it is not honorable. The tools of government are being used for personal gain, retaliation and cover-ups, and no one can cry foul because everyone in DC is beholden to someone or something, due to campaign financing or blackmail. We need reforms: term limits, laws that protect even public figures from unsubstantiated smears. We NEED Donald Trump!

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    • LafnH2O says:

      Two Laine,
      It does seem “Beyond the pale”.
      Imo. Most of the Generals (Maybe not ALL) on this ,”Pale Blue Dot”, that are Wraslin’ in the swamp”, imo, must be engaged. At some level.
      This is G lobal. All the marbles!
      Winner takes all!! and It Is ON!!!

      To use the Monopoly game, (🎩🎩 to a fellow treeper)…as an example paraphrase
      How the Puppet Masters gain control of and exploit an entire World (Country by Country) like on a Monopoly board.. An unknown number of “The Grande Flamoge iz” exist.
      A likely larger number of “boards” are in play… umm… more Reginally. All connected.
      Ticks on a hound I tell ya!
      Lotsa. Lotsa Ticks!!

      IMHO, I believe They believe This
      “One Election” HAS sealed their fate!!

      This has gone BIGLY!

      For good or ill….
      ..
      So Thankful to be alive…
      This will be Epic!!

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  14. fleporeblog says:

    SD you are completely right! I remember Sean Spicer’s press briefings at the time where he would say without saying it that there were many reasons beyond what Flynn did with our VP for letting him go. I think your first reason was what Spicer was referring to.

    I also think Flynn is an honorable soldier and will fall on his sword knowing he is to blame. I don’t think he will ever throw our President under the bus by sharing anything that was ever discussed on a range of different issues.

    I also think his loyalty will buy him a pardon when he is ultimately indicated and found guilty!

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  15. Joe says:

    Mueller can KMA and so can anything to do with this investigation that gives it even one iota of credibility.

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  16. Nigella says:

    I’d rather read that Mueller is investigating Loretta Lynch, or Susan Rice or Samantha Powers or especially… Hillary…. But we all know that’s not gonna happen…

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    • Coast says:

      The most significant part of the “election interference” has to do with Obama’s unmasking and illegal wiretapping. Yeah, somehow I don’t think Mueller will hunt on that trail.

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  17. That has what to do with what part of the whole Trump/Russian election collusion hoax promoted by the DNC and their media buddies? Mueller is just going on a fishing trip for anything his handlers(Clinton/Bush/DNC and GOP leadership deep state) can muster to oust President Trump and you know it CTH! For CTH to act as if Flynn is some how the problem is beyond hilarious.

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  18. David R. Graham says:

    Turkey is Moslem Brotherhood. Moslem Brotherhood is D-R UniParty/Deep State. Both are Iran. Those are the loyalty lines. General Flynn was careless, perhaps a little venal as well: regarded objectively, he advocated for a force he personally does not approve and should not.

    The Big Ugly in MENA is coming between USG under Trump, Al Sisi-aligned Sunnis, Iraq, Russia (yes, Russia!) and India on one side and Turkey, Iran and Moslem Brotherhood (aka Salafi Jihad) on the other. Flynn was careless, he let himself be paid to advocate for the wrong side, not meaning to be wrong, just not careful, untutored regarding the grand canvas.

    As DIA Director, he was very good, abrasive with staff, but pointing DIA in the right direction: serving the combatant commanders. He also called out CIA for crap going on there, and his firing was instigated by that pack of scoundrels, who had previously got Petraeus fired for essentially the same reasons: he told them to do their work and make it be for Americans, not foreigners. CIA didn’t like to do or hear that.

    Flynn was never a line officer, which gives one necessary grand perspective, but he was a fine intel officer. Intel are not the people to be making strategic decisions. Were I to guess what happened, it would be that when he went civilian and wanted an income he scouted potential clients insufficiently, looking more at what they could pay than at who they really are and what he might pay for representing them.

    In other words, I concur with Sundance on this.

    Turkey is an ally in name only and then only with a USA Deep State — aka swamp — owned by the Moslem Brotherhood.

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    • Comrade Mope says:

      Best analysis I’ve seen. The Muslim Brotherhood created ISIS for The Arab Spring. The whole Arab Spring was designed to prefer one pipeline over the other so there would be no competition. The Russians backed the Iranian pipeline, but that got bogged down with the Syrian mess. The Qatari pipeline, backed by Soros and the Clintons, was the goal. Arming the “rebels” thru Qatar shows this, I think.

      It would be easy enough to find out who financed these “rebels”. ISIS had brand new trucks when they began- one phone call to the manufacturer- “Hello, are you missing a boatload of brand new trucks?” and you could find out.

      Both pipelines would necessarily have to go through Turkiye, that’s the only thing giving Receipt Yipyap Erdogan any clout at all. Thus, Putin’s animosity towards Erdogan (Well, that and the little problem of a downed aircraft.)

      Currently, Russia is heating most of Eastern Europe, so it doesn’t matter how long the Syrian war takes. Actually, the longer the better.

      With the effort to expose the Qataris as duplicitous funders of terror, Putin looks like he is holding the high card.

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  19. blessdog says:

    intuitively, i always felt Flynn was a “bad seed” and a danger to the Trump admin…starting with his out of control son having to be removed

    hot headed and impulsive, like father like son

    a bit rogue, a free agent, and not with Donald Trump’s best interest

    when he resigned i thought he might have been a co-intel implant in the WH
    i’ve had those feelings about Session’s since he recused

    IMO ‘o’

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  20. Joe Blow says:

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  21. mildtosevere says:

    Check this first:

    (1) @realDonaldTrump is the Silent Shiva.

    Destroyer and Transformer.

    But never acknowledging it.

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  22. Delilah says:

    Do not be so willing to throw a good man under the bus just to satiate your enemy’s desire to devour you.

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  23. Summer says:

    While I am no fan of Flynn, I can’t understand how this Turkey business relates to the Russian interference in our sacred coronation of Hillary. What am I missing here?

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  24. JoAnn Leichliter says:

    What am I missing here? How is this connected with what Mueller is charged to do?

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    • JustSomeInputFromAz says:

      Unfortunately item b(ii) is very open ended in the Special Counsel appointment letter:

      https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3726385-Order-3915-2017-Special-Counsel.html#document/p1

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      • Delilah says:

        That’s not a standalone sentence. It’s connected by the word “and,” not the word “or.” That means you must take it in its entirety. Words mean things.

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        • Jim in TN says:

          Also, the law explicitly requires that the special counsel take new allegations to the AG and get AG approval to persue them. How can a simple line in his charter over rule the law?

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          • mimbler says:

            The law is only as good as it is enforced. Appointing mueller with his conflict of interest in one of the main potential witnesses (comey) violated the law from the beginning.

            Nothing was done about that.

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      • mimbler says:

        And rosenstein, who is charged with overseeing this witch hunt, I mean investigation, has shown zero inclination to limit it.

        There is a reason he chose mueller for this.

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        • Delilah says:

          That is what Trump’s legal rep is for…to hold their feet to the agreement.

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          • mimbler says:

            Trump’s legal rep doesn’t have authority to do that. Rosenstein is in charge of that.

            True, PDJT could use his legal team to establish a reason to fire rosenstein, but he has to look at the political ramifications of doing so.

            And that would place rosenstein’s replacement in the awkward position of looking like he was put in place to impede mueller.

            No good answers here, I’m afraid. I’m guessing PDJT will just stick it out, knowing there is no crime to be uncovered, and live with 7 more years of persecution by mueller, and persistent leaks from the SC.

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            • Delilah says:

              You’re saying that they have the authority to disregard the law entirely, which is untrue.

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              • mimbler says:

                They are doing that right now. Investigating Trump and family back to 2008 which has nothing to do with their charter.

                There is a difference between having the authority to disregard the law (which I never claimed), and the act of disregarding the law, which mueller is doing, and rosenstein is not stopping him. Rosenstein is the authority over SC, and he isn’t inclined to follow the law, or he wouldn’t have appointed mueller in violation of the law (no crime specified (collusion with Russia, even if true is not illegal), and a direct conflict of interest by his friendship/association with comey).

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                • Delilah says:

                  From what I understand from Jay Sekulow, they have not received any inquiry from Mueller into the family’s finances, and Sekulow said they would object to it if they had. That was two days ago, but I don’t believe anything has changed since then. Do you have something to show that Sekulow is mistaken?

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                • mimbler says:

                  Media reporting (admittedly not always reliable) said grand jury preparing subpoenas for that information from family and associates.

                  That would not be in conflict with Sekulow not having received them yet,

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                • Delilah says:

                  Sekulow would just take it to a judge for a ruling on the issue if it was outside the scope of the letter.

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  25. Dakotacav says:

    Flynn never did anything for Turkey, however, I believe that he did just enough to give the APPEARANCE that he was lobbying for them. Flynn will be “investigated” and probably Donald Trump JR, but soon enough this will all pivot to the dems, the media, Obama, Lynch, and Hillary. Fortunately, Mueller has stacked the investigation with known Clinton donors, Obama activists, etc. In this way, when the “whip comes down” nobody will be able to say that Mueller’s operation is tainted…
    Rejoice !!

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    • mimbler says:

      Seriously, why in the world would you think it will pivot to the dems? Mueller was charged with investigating dems when he was head of FBI, and did nothing.

      I’m all for optimism, but at a certain point, you need to look at the huge pile of evidence that says mueller exists only to persecute Trump. There is zero extenuating evidence to suggest fairness on his part.

      And if he suffered a fall to his head, and it caused him to want to investigate dems, the crew he has assembled wouldn’t do it.
      Mike

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      • Bobjasper says:

        Perhaps because he was being blackmailed then? I heard he was in to some shady stuff

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        • mimbler says:

          I hadn’t heard that, but he’s definitely playing for the other side: either because he is on the other side, or as you suggest, he is being forced to.

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      • Delilah says:

        Well, except for one thing:

        If they come up with nothing, would it not put the entire Russia business to rest once and for all? If Mueller comes out and says, “We had 16 of our finest crack lawyers to examine all of the evidence, and we could find nothing,” not even the conspiracy theorists would have any wiggle room.

        Just a thought I’ve been having.

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        • mimbler says:

          But I don’t think he will ever do that. He is there to damage PDJT, and will be just like the energizer bunny. He’ll keep going and going and going.

          If he was legitimate, he would never have taken the job since there isn’t even a crime described which is a requirement, and he is violating the appointment regulations with his obvious conflict of interest.

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          • Delilah says:

            In the end, he must have evidence.

            Trump says he’s never had any contact with the Russians other than as POTUS, not because it was by design; just that it never happened.

            If there’s no there there, then there’s no there there.

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            • mimbler says:

              You remember Ken Starr and where that investigation sprawled?

              I’ve said from the beginning there is no there, there; but that doesn’t prevent harassment, innuendo, smear leaks and process crimes (where someone inadvertently mis-testifies and is accused of perjury. Scooter Libby is an excellent example. The prosecutor was later proven to have know that someone else outed Plaime, but still put Scooter in prison for a mistake in testimony.

              Anyway, you have your opinion and I have mine. Neither are being changed in this exchange, so I’m done here.

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              • Delilah says:

                Let’s say you’re correct that they do get Trump on some perjury charge. Then nothing would change. He’d get a slap on the wrist and then continue on in the same capacity, business as usual. No big thing.

                In order to put the election under a cloud of doubt, they have to prove their Russian connection.

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              • Jim in TN says:

                Ken Starr investigation ‘sprawled’ because the AG assigned all the many Clinton crime allegations to Starr. Better for their image than having a special prosecutor for each crime. And it allowed them to publicly smear Starr.

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            • kimosaabe says:

              If they can’t find anything on Russia then they will find something on something else, no matter how sketchy or even invented. That’s why they’re on a fishing expedition. Case in point …

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        • darren says:

          Except my money is on they will never quit investigating. They will create stones to look under if they have to. He wants to be like an anchor around Trump’s leg. They can strategically leak when Trump has a good week and be like a Democrat research team that can probe deeply into anything.

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    • Summer says:

      Why do you think that the Clinton donors and Obama activists would investigate Clinton and Obama, let alone prosecute them? Highly unlikely.

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      • mimbler says:

        Yes, and there is no reason to speculate about mueller. We saw what he did as head of the fbi, and we see the results of his mentoring in comey and rosenstein.

        I’m assuming that the posters that are optimistic in the face of overwhelming evidence of corruption are just good people that only see good in other people.

        An admirable way to live a life, but it does set you up for some big disappointments.
        Mike

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      • NC PATRIOT says:

        PDJT’s lawyers will be in court challenging over-reach, or conflict of interest if he brings Comey in at all. (based on his history with Comey and the RULES of SC.) They will be ready.

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    • Dr T says:

      Correct . The Big Ugly is coming but it’s coming down on Hillary et al. One of these lawyers was even involved in Wategate investigation and must know her well ( her unethical behavior)

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  26. jackphatz says:

    Seems to me, had the Left, Deep Six, NeverTrumpers, Resisters, GoPe’s, the Democrat’s, Bernie Bro’s and all the other Trump haters and anti-American types not overreacted to Trumps win, the majority of the people would not be aware of all the incompetence that went on in DC. Now that their cover has been blown it is them who are afraid and everyone knows it now.
    No one really gives a rats a$$ about Russia, but no one is happy about Ryan, McConnell and McCain’s actions against “We The People”.

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    • WeThePeople2016 says:

      Good points. The Swamp creatures have been exposed.

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    • georgiafl says:

      Ryan, McConnell and McCain are $old out, bought and owned by big money interests and have to do what they are paid and told to do. $0r0$ seems to call a lot of the shots in Congress and increasingly in grass roots.

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    • JCL says:

      Perhaps this was an orchestrated “stress test” of systems – to show the clear vulnerabilities and weaknesses for someday remediation? I can hope, can’t I?

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      • jackphatz says:

        I don’t believe these groups thought much on how their chaotic actions would look from this side. These are all separate entities flailing in their vulnerabilities. Think how any sort of a reunion of these groups are now virtually impossible. The societal consequences now are dire.

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  27. kimosaabe says:

    Well at least it wasn’t Russia. So what’s the new mantra to be? Why of course … Turkey Turkey Turkey‼️

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  28. golsono says:

    Old Mc had a farm. His duck said cluck, chicken said quack, rooster went west.
    Those of us remaining, passed the test.
    MAGA

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  29. darren says:

    I’m not sure what to make of this. I thought that Mule was looking into Russia collusion which is not even criminal if their was no conspiracy to commit a crime. How many things… Bengazi, gun sales to cartels, Clinton pay to play, ect. … are never even thought about let alone investigated seriously and now we have a special council digging into every ant hill that surrounds Trump.

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    • mimbler says:

      That is our first clue. The Special Counsel provision requires a crime.

      When mueller took the position with a conflict of interest to investigate something that is not a crime he revealed himself to be a lawless witch hunter.
      Mike

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  30. keebler AC ovfefe says:

    So the premise is that Flynn accepted a lobbyist position with Ergodan before the campaign which he had a perfect right to albeit not “ethical” despite the “nonexistent liberal war on terrorism” and this alone determined Trump’s election win? How did the Mule think this would be a win since he’s supposed to be investigating Russia? All the President has to do is prove that Flynn was a Obama transdemocrat seeking to infiltrate Trump’s administration like a Judas because Trump has made it perfectly clear thru words and action he disliked Ergodan and his relationship with ISIS.

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    • keebler AC ovfefe says:

      Just to add, Trump knew he was a Judas once he found out he lied and fired him promptly. Flynn kept his lobbying a secret intentionally because he’s part of Obama’s legacy and easy money. It’s like a movie finding out the good guys we were led to believe, were actually the bad guys. Rosenstein is another one. This is starting to look good for President Trump. He is the innocent here. Remember how Rosenstein was upset that Trump revealed it was Rosenstein who wrote the recommendation to fire Comey? Likely the President knew he had to protect himself and asked for Rosenstein’s recommendation in a letter! Rosie didn’t expect Trump to publish the letter! Now Rosie cannot have Mueller say Trump fired Comey on his own. Rosie, Comey and Mueller thought they had it all figured out. This is so fascinating!

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    • Paco Loco says:

      What if Mueller is asking for Flynns documents in an attempt to discover who set him up. Sally Yates? Brennan? Someone decided to disclose the Flynn wiretap info and smear him with the Russian collusion BS.

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      • keebler AC ovfefe says:

        Someone inside the Democrat ruse to slime Trump Sr while another attempting to go at Don Jr. Obama and Hillary were laughing that they could have it both ways….have a Brutus inside the admin who was alluded to as warning to Trump and then sacrefice Brutus when found out to take Trump down. Who was the Flynn leak? Trace back.

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    • Azrajo says:

      What ? trump was the first world leader to call Erodegen to congratulate him on winning his rigged election. If he dislikes him that was a funny way of showing it. I was Very disappointed when he did.

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  31. Jim in TN says:

    A wishful thought. All of the Flynn stuff was being investigated long before Mueller.
    And it has pretty lame ties to Russia. Could Mueller already be settling for convicting Flynn as his consolation prize?

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    • mimbler says:

      I think he will be prying anywhere there is an opening to scoop up additional “investigations” His charter alludes to he can investigate anything he turns up while investigation per the original charter.

      I forget which commie it was (Stalin or Lenin), : “Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime”

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  32. Joe says:

    Flynn was doing what EVERY shltlib does: parlaying his government experience and profile to make some money.

    Big deal!

    Momentum and owning the initiative is a VERY real dynamic in politics. Mueller is trying to take that way and it is working.

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  33. golsono says:

    Old Mc. had a farm. His duck said cluck, chicken said quack, and we all went down, in a little row boat.

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  34. ALEX says:

    The Flynn issue with Lobbying has been part of FBI investigation before Mueller, It’s what they do..He is not guilty of anything more then procedure that we know of and I have respect for his entire career…He has offered to testify….

    The same goes for Manafort…He has been a lobbyist for decades now and it all got thrown in the mix…All of this just keeps the narrative alive…

    We all remember Whitewater and where that went….Scooter Libby was framed as well…

    People should read what Sundance wrote..We all knew it could be trouble as far as procedure and the appearances..That doesn’t mean he’s done anything worse then that and if you can’t deal with double standards then tough…These people play for keeps and they control the narrative…

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    • Deplorable_Vespucciland says:

      This attack on General Flynn is just the tip of Mueller’s impeachment iceberg.

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      • positron1352 says:

        Deplorable-Thank you for the Savage clip. It brings me consolation that Trump supporters would not allow the GOP elite, Deep Staters and Dems to destroy this country’s constitutional republic, although they have all tried through the years with their amnesty of illegals, thereby, changing the mathematics of the demographics of this country, thus, preventing us from being able to maintain a capitalist system. All of them will stop at nothing for this is a zero sum game for them; and for us as well, since they have established the rules of legislating and governing “by any means necessary”. It appears as if Mule will continue until he can bring Trump down and he has many, many supporters. The MSM will continue to distract from Trump’s accomplishments with their complicit and unrelenting focus on the Mule’s investigation(s). This is their playbook and it was written a long time ago.

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  35. Brant says:

    I’m curious about the strength of “discovery” should any of this go to trial with Flynn, Don Jr., etc. Obviously, I don’t think any crimes have been committed, but wouldn’t the defense’s right of discovery force the prosecution to provide everything they found…..and just maybe there might be some HRC and POTUS 44 in the stack of stuff. I’m sure POTUS 44/Ozero would probably claim executive privilege, but could the defense do a data drop like center for law and justice just did with the Lynch/Clinton tarmac meeting?

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    • mimbler says:

      I’m sure a lawyer can step in to confirm, but I don’t think the prosecution has to submit to discovery anything they are not going to use in the prosecution unless it is exculpatory evidence relating to one of the charges.
      Mike

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  37. sundance says:

    I will continue to remove Russian propaganda from this page. It takes too long to fisk it.

    Mike Flynn was not working some 4D, foreign policy chess, maneuver to benefit candidate Donald Trump. Not even close. Flynn took lobbying money from Recep Erdogan to advance the interests of Recep Erdogan, NOT candidate, now President, Donald Trump.

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  38. Paco Loco says:

    Taking a consulting fee from Erdogan to lobby for him isn’t illegal. If Flynn concealed taking the fees and didn’t disclose it, then that’s a problem for him. If he lied to Trump about it, failed to disclose it, than yes he should have been fired.

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    • Paco Loco says:

      If Flynn fully disclosed his clients and consultant fees on his SF and was cleared by the FBI of any wrong doing with his calls to the Russian ambassador, what can Mueller be interested in?

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  39. dustahl says:

    Flynn goofed up but NOTHING like Hillory, Lynch, DWSChultz, Podesta, and on and on

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  40. mitrom says:

    This may be a legitimate thing to investigate, but it has nothing to do with interference by Russia and collusion by Trump and his associates. Some of the info on Flynn could also have been illegally obtained through improper spying. Conflicted Mueller and his leftist team should focus on Russia-Trump. Let the FBI investigate the Turkey-Flynn issue. This whole thing is absurd.

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  41. dayallaxeded says:

    The comments to SD’s post have certainly taken diverse directions of their own–the issue is a grand jury. While a GJ can be an investigatory tool, it is primarily a prosecutorial tool and primarily one used to diffuse the connection or any appearance of undue influence, bias, or interest of a prosecutor in determining whether a crime should be charged. This is a big part of what Comey/Lynch did wrong, from a LE perspective. Once they had evidence arguably amounting to a crime, the judgment about whether to indict and prosecute or not should’ve been presented to a GJ, not decided by Comey/Lynch.

    Can a GJ be manipulated? Of course–everyone knows the old “ham sandwich” saw, but maybe sometimes a ham sandwich should be indicted–bet Mama Cass would agree. More to the point, this GJ could, just as well as not, exculpate DJTJR, Flynn, and everyone else associated with PDJT and his campaign. As an example of how GJs are used by LE, in jurisdictions I’m familiar with, every police-involved shooting goes to a GJ. How many GJs have been presented with police-involved shooting cases and declined to indict versus indicting? I don’t know the numbers, but up until about 2 years ago, I’d have guessed the “no indictment” GJs were 99.9% vs. .1%–now, it might be 98% vs. 2%.

    My money’s on no indictment for any PDJT associates. Everything we’ve seen documented and leaked so far has been nothing burgers of all nothing burgers.

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  42. mitrom says:

    I, like many Americans, are tired of the one-sided nature of all of this. Everyone knows that the Obama Admin weaponized the Intel agencies and the FBI to spy on and to start politically-motivated investigations on political foes. While at the same time protecting Obama officials and Dems. So, Americans should NOT tolerate this witch hunt and political hit job. This is what police states and banana republics do.

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  43. tony5460 says:

    Hold on a second. Unless Flynn is the best triple agents in the history of mankind, how is it possible that he can be the agent for Turkey meanwhile colluding with Russian? It is like saying someone simultaneously works for both Israel and Palestine.

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  44. youme says:

    Preet in attacking Flynn on Twitter, just described the Clinton Foundation.

    Hopefully, I got this wrong and he is signaling Mueller to go after the Clinton Foundation?

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  45. youme says:

    “For months, prosecutors have used multiple grand juries to issue subpoenas for documents related to Mr. Flynn.”
    Seems we will now be getting leaks from Mueller’s office 24/7

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  46. youme says:

    These same NYT reporters are the go to guys for leaks: MATTHEW ROSENBERG, MATT APUZZO and MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT

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  47. NJ Transplant says:

    How is this part of the Trump Russia collusion investigation? Is Mueller investigating every associate and family member of the President without probable cause? Rosenstein needs to be fired for hiring Mueller. Rosenstein is obviously part of the plan to bring down the Trump presidency. This is a disgrace and will not have a good ending.

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