Turkey’s President Erdogan Gains More Power in Narrow Referendum Victory…

Turkish President Recep Erdogan is quick to declare victory today, albeit by a narrow margin, as a national referendum to consolidate power passes during a national vote.

[…]  The 18 constitutional amendments that will come into effect after the next election, scheduled for 2019, will abolish the office of the prime minister and hand sweeping executive powers to the president. –link

Having watched the Erdogan objectives play out over the past six to eight years the approach he has taken has been highly effective.

Erdogan essentially imported a base of support consisting of mostly Muslim Brotherhood political supporters to aid his desire to transform Turkey from a secular nation into a more Islamic dictatorial endeavor.

He may never fully achieve the goal of recreating the Ottoman Empire, but that doesn’t mean there is going to be anything less than toxic turmoil ahead for Turkey and the EU as his endeavors continue to be successful.

A decade or two from now when our children look back upon the period from 2010 to 2020 there will be a rather obvious similarity between the rise of Erdogan to power and the rise of Libya’s Muamar Qaddafi.

Both power-hungry nuts utilized immigration to construct their objectives, and both were national gatekeepers. Qaddafi held power over Europe via the North African migration gate, and Erdogan gaining power over Europe through the use of the Mid-East gate.

As stated, we’ve watched this play out for years and predictably it’s all very obvious and available to connect via mostly open-sourced information.

Recep Erdogan knew he would not be able to accomplish his long term objectives without a fundamental transformation of the voting base in Turkey.  It is somewhat analogous to the Democrats political objectives with open-border migration from South American and Mexico into the U.S.

One of the more obvious points of reference which evidenced this approach was when Erdogan provided safe harbor for the leadership of the Muslim Brotherhood, as a terrorist network, after the Gulf States finally kicked them out of Qatar.

The Brotherhood leadership was exiled into Qatar from Egypt following the removal of Mohammed Morsi.  After approximately three years of launching the political narrative to protect their terrorist activity from Qatar, the Gulf States finally agreed it was no longer acceptable -or in their best interests- to allow the Brotherhood hospice there.

Recep Erdogan immediately stepped-up and provided them a home.

BidenObama Erdogan - Turkey

A second, accidental, and almost rather humorous event of reference, happened in October 2014 against the backdrop of the battle over Kobani Syria when Vice-President Joe Biden accidentally stated in public that it was Erdogan’s specific activity that was supporting the rise of ISIS in Syria as a means toward his own political ends.

Vice-President Biden told an open audience that Recep Erdogan was specifically responsible for the rise of ISIS, and that Turkey had actually armed ISIS and aided them.

The date was October of 2014 and Joe was completely “off the range“, I mean he was way outside the official White House wire and telling the entire world how President Recep Erdogan was duplicitous in the rise of ISIS.   (There’s Video Here)

Of course anyone who was well researched and up to speed knew it was all true.  But boy howdy did the White House and MSM need to go quick to the teletype to get control of that little slip; NATO supporting ISIS?… ya don’t say.

And that’s the big problem moving foward, Turkey is a part of NATO.  This play’s nicely for Erdogan as NATO provides him the cover for his continued abuse of Europe via his control of the migration gates, and turns the EU into co-dependents for their own demise.

As much as we dislike Erdogan and can see the final products coming to fruition, there is a part of the political review that must accept his modern approach at gaining incredible power and influence as rather smart from a geo-political and strategic point of view.

So long as no-one in the EU is strong enough to stand up to Turkey and demand their ouster from NATO, the shield provided by the alliance is actually empowering him.  It’s a rather unique approach amid dictatorial power assembly in the modern era.

No-one can ever predict the future of such regional issues with any degree of certainty, but the future of non-Islamic fundamentalist citizens in Turkey looks incredibly bleak.

…. complete with a massive $400 million white marble palace built for a king.

Erdogan’s 2015 completed $400 million white marble palace residence

 

NUTS !

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186 Responses to Turkey’s President Erdogan Gains More Power in Narrow Referendum Victory…

  1. FLEEVY says:

    At least this keeps them out of the EU. Perhaps as the situation devolves we can get them out of NATO as well.

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    • Lack is not all says:

      I am not so sure. E. Could always threaten Merkel with more “refugees” and get his pass into the EU.

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    • filia.aurea says:

      We’ll see. Erdogan’s leverage is powerful. If he is not allowed membership in the EU, he will follow-up on his threat to open the floodgates wide.

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      • Rudy Bowen says:

        Yep, and it doesn’t matter which happens, the results will be the same. About the only thing we can count on is a big ass war sometime in the next decade.

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        • filia.aurea says:

          A big-a$$ war is the last thing the U.S. should engage in. We must stop feeding the beast, which leaves many of our military dead, injured, or permanently maimed; while draining the U.S. economy of $T’s. We’ve had too many wars. It stops now, or we’re finished.

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          • Keln says:

            Big wars are inevitable. There would likely have been a WWIII sometime in the last century had it not been for nuclear weapons, probably between the US and its allies and the Soviets and theirs.

            Tensions continue to rise to this day in many hotspots around the world. We’ve seen this with the ever increasing outbreak of conflicts and the rise of dictatorships. India and Pakistan still stare each other down across their border, each a major threat to the other. North Korea is accelerating their weapons program and playing dangerously close to starting war themselves.

            Tensions between China and Japan are increasing. Ukraine and Russia have literal territorial disputes and recent fighting. And then there is the widespread Islamist problem. Scandal, militant-ism, and tyranny on the rise in South America. Boko Haram in central Africa. Civil conflict in Sudan. Tensions in the South China Sea. Dying economies, rising national socialist groups, and territories wanting secession in southern Europe.

            The world is a powder keg right now. It only takes one spark to set it off. Major wars used to be a way to let off the pressure. I know that sounds cynical, but that is pretty much what most of history revolved around. It seems to me that artificially preventing wars in the name of “world peace” simply makes things worse in the long run. A world war now would be utterly devastating as sharp as tensions are now, and the weapons of war have become truly terrible.

            Nuclear weapons will still keep a major world war off the table (I hope), but once ballistic missile defense is fully matured among the nuclear powers, the clock will have run out on the MAD doctrine and a world war will be inevitable.

            The only thing that could possibly stop it is if all of the major powers find a way to become allies. That mainly means the US, Russia, and China becoming a global hegemony, which brings with it its own set of problems, such as worldwide resentment against the “Big Three”, even among our allies.

            At no point in human history has there not been wars. And humans have not changed, so wishing for some lasting world peace is pointless. All we can hope to do is navigate through the geopolitical storms and delay the inevitable as long as possible, while preparing ourselves for that day when it comes.

            But it will come, and the flip side of the coin is that the further out it comes, the more terrible it will be.

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            • Beenthere says:

              I must disagree with you about increasing tensions between China & Japan. The Chinese govn’t wants to establish better relations with Japan. See http://www.china.org.cn/world/2017-04/11/content_40600538.htm

              This is a very recent phenomenon & it wouldn’t surprise me that Trump had something to do with it.

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              • Keln says:

                Well yeah I hope so. But I’m waiting for results before reassessing Sino-Japanese relations.

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              • Rudy Bowen says:

                Now, that would be historic.
                …but considering a couple thousand years of antipathy between them, don’t expect too much.

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                • JoAnn Leichliter says:

                  Both Korea and China were highly influential in the development of Japanese culture and religion (not Shinto), so relations have not always been bad. But the modern strains are real enough–mostly over territory.

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            • filia.aurea says:

              I have no problem with the U.S. being prepared for war – being prepared strategically, with proper armaments focused at neutralizing nuclear, cyber and economic threats. Being prepared doesn’t mean a bloated Pentagon (1 pen pusher for every military active duty), a Veterans Administration that is incapable of properly caring for injured troops, too many ineffectual top brass (800+ generals), an IC that is more powerful than the President, e.g. a CIA that funds their own war mongering operations off the books with the profits of heinous activity. Entering into wars overseas, where our immediate national security is not at risk is suicidal to the health of The Republic. The beneficiaries are the globalists, banksters, oil barrons, military/industrial complex, and corrupt despotic governments all over the world. Engaging U.S. troops to be maimed and killed in useless overseas wars, through sycophantic political lies and manipulation is sickening.

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            • Let’s include the upcoming Euro-wide Jihad / Civil War.

              Your second statement below makes sense, but the first seems to conflict:

              “It seems to me that artificially preventing wars in the name of “world peace” simply makes things worse in the long run. A world war now would be utterly devastating as sharp as tensions are now, and the weapons of war have become truly terrible.’

              Seems like the best place to bet on peace is President Trump’s ability to persuade nations that there ways they will come out WAY ahead with “free and fair” trade than any alternatives, and that those who agree can ALSO win through bilateral acts that foster trade over war for others, as well.

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            • Joshua2415 says:

              The most fundamental of conservative principals is accepting reality.

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          • Rudy Bowen says:

            Exactly. Unfortunately, the ‘beast’ is unlikely to show any forbearance. The only way to stop, otherwise, is to surrender and frankly I’d rather see it burn than see the likes of Erdogan and Bagdadi triumphant. That’s called a fate worse than death.
            So we really will have no choice but engage. It’s an existential struggle we are in, nothing less. I don’t even know if DJT can avoid it in the long run. Too many Clintons and Cruzs waiting in the wings. The level of opposition to any sane resolution of our problems is frightening and very, very discouraging.

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            • filia.aurea says:

              Yes, the level of opposition is enough to deter an army of men, but not PDJT, he never quits. There are many ways to fight the beast, we have to explore a new paradigm – and I don’t mean leading from behind or being patient. We have the means to cripple threats to national security without deploying troops overseas. The sooner we focus on battle hardened cyber security systems, with the majority of IC under military command, all focused on the ability to repel aggressors, the better.

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          • KitKat says:

            I am starting to wonder if the desire to fight is hardwired, as we are seeing, young men living in peaceful nations finding reasons to fight.

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            • filia.aurea says:

              When normal males view their homeland’s security and honor being threatened, the natural instinct is to fight. I stress “normal” males, which doesn’t include the anarchist thugs and pyjama boys running around causing trouble.

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      • Rainy says:

        Then The EU better get strengthening its boarders…..if they have any brains left at all!!! They should be ashamed of themselves sitting there like the EXTINCT dodo!!! How horribly pathetic.

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        • mopar2016 says:

          The EU is lost, they’ve sold out to islam.
          Brussels is threatening Poland and others for not taking enough muslims in.
          Europe doesn’t want to fight the invasion. Instead they seem to welcome it.
          They complain that they’re losing billions of tourism euros, and at the same time they bring in millions more islamic cultists. Britain has 87 sharia courts.
          It’s obvious that their culture and history isn’t important to them.

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          • DebbieUK says:

            Have you ever been to Britain .History is very important to us and Britain is not going that way .Why else did we vote to leave the EU ? We are starting the pushback .Problem is I don’t think Britain wants to step into the breach to save Europe again . It didnt do us much good the last two times despite the promises of world leaders.

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            • Rudy Bowen says:

              I’m Welsh/English by ancestry and the thought of losing England, especially, to Islam ticks me off, bad.
              You guys better start pushing back REAL HARD, REAL SOON, Debbie.
              I have been to England, and look native enough I had people walking up to me asking for street directions in London. Shoulda seen their faces when I answered, with my Tennessee accent.

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            • Maquis says:

              Britian should be looking at Marine Le Pen’s deIslamification plans, spelled out on her program:

              https://www.marine2017.fr/programme/

              Sorry, for Francophones only, this section isn’t available in English, but it’s marvelous. A wonderful program. How many Western leaders have the fortitude to even suggest deIslamification, let alone spelling out a comprehensive political & governing means to do so?

              She also has a downloadable booklet on the subject, 12 pages, en Français, bien sur!

              https://www.marine2017.fr/2017/03/16/livret-n2-terrorisme-islamiste-protegeons-francais/

              I’m a fan

              Maquis

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          • Rainy says:

            Yes it’s disturbing and extremely hard to watch.

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          • In AZ says:

            The European Union is the Communist Globalists. Europe is doing exactly as the Communist Globalists dictate.

            The only ones fighting the Commie Globalists are Hungary, Poland, Russia, some others, who were formerly under Totalitarian Communism rule.

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            • singingsoul says:

              In AZ says: “The only ones fighting the Commie Globalists are Hungary, Poland, Russia, some others, who were formerly under Totalitarian Communism rule.”
              _________________________________
              I would not lump Russia together with Poland and Hungary. Russia has a dictator named Putin. I think he is just as bad as the Communists in the USSR.
              Funny Europe feared that Putin wanted to recreate USSR and it was Erdogan who is trying to reestablish the Ottoman Empire. He might just be able to pull it off with all the Turks in Europe. Nationality is strong combined with Islamic faith.

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        • filia.aurea says:

          Agree. Western Europeans have begun pushing back.

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      • Remington......lcome says:

        As opposed to what…?

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      • mikeyboo says:

        Here’s a novel thought:Maybe the EU will find their balls and refuse to take the “refugees”.

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  2. Bouchart says:

    Biden actually got one right for a change!

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  3. Daniel says:

    I think it’s time I threw out all of my foot stools. This guy is trying to rebuild the Ottoman empire and my living room will have none of it.

    Liked by 8 people

  4. CathyMAGA says:

    I think this is bad. Very bad….

    Liked by 9 people

  5. EggsX says:

    A constitution that can be altered by a simple majority vote is not much of a constitution to begin with.

    Liked by 14 people

  6. missmarple2 says:

    Back when Erdogan was first elected, back in 2002, I was amazed that the US didn’t speak out about Islamic fundamentalism within NATO. The Bush Administration’s attitude was “Oh, well., if that’s what they want…”

    I know that at that time we were recovering from 9/11 and a lot of info on the Muslim Brotherhood, other fundamental Islamic groups and intelligence was not what it is now, but I was disheartened by this and thought it would mean trouble down the road.

    Now, here we are. I do hope the US has a way to get the nukes out of the big air base in Turkey.

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  7. rsanchez1990 says:

    Wow, did he really welcome Joe Biden with Turkey’s own rendition of Medieval Times?

    You have to wonder what General Flynn’s role in all this was. Only to lobby for Turkey? Or did he also provide some sort of tactical support or consulting to Erdogan?

    Reminder for anyone late to the story:

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/11/17/tread-carefully-report-michael-flynn-possible-as-national-security-adviser/

    If Germany thinks they’re too good to pony up their fair share of NATO funding, they should use their imagined clout to push for ousting Turkey from NATO. Germany, straighten it out, or President Trump will.

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  8. YvonneMarie says:

    No one in the EU will be strong enough to stand up to Turkey until maybe the EU collapses. God only knows. Why does the continent of Europe want to go Islam instead of Christianity? Ignorance is not bliss I will tell you that. Their problem goes back 500 years. Anyway, mass migration = invasion. I do not admire Erdogan. I do not admire my city mayor who let in 1500 refugee families in August either. I do admire Attorney General Sessions. Period.

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  9. Sylvia Avery says:

    This cannot possibly be good. What a hot mess. Yet ANOTHER mess that creep with the jug ears left for us.

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  10. AndrewJackson says:

    Sundance, what is your opinion about the failed coup in July 2016? Not to mention the purge of the government/military/education complexes that took place afterward?

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  11. Alf says:

    Trump needs to give NATO an ultimatum. Either Sharia Turkey is kicked out of NATO NOW or we walk!!!!!!!

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    • missmarple2 says:

      Don’t you think there might be other options? I don’t think we need another crisis right now.

      Liked by 3 people

      • Alf says:

        What other options are there? Erdogan has consolidated power, helping ISIS, and now threatening to unleash millions of Muslims into Europe. The man is not our friend or an “ally” in any form.

        It’s very sad because Turkey is a beautiful place. I visited twice in 99 and 2014. It used to be secular and quite Moderate really. Not anymore. It’s gone from good to bad to worse fast.

        They got to go. They should not enjoy NATO protection. If Turkey is attacked, we must protect them. Gimme a break. With friends like Turkey who needs enemies

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    • DebbieUK says:

      Turkey is not Sharia yet . I watched many educated secular Turks interviewed and voting NO who are very concerned about the direction the country is taking .Problem is the uneducated and poor in the villages believe Islam is everything and vote in their droves for more Islam . Maybe there will be a civil war in Turkey as it gets more Hardline.

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      • rashamon says:

        Turkey has been protecting Sharia law at least since the 70s. I have told this story before at TCTH: one of my neighbors married her romantic, exotic college boyfriend from Turkey and birthed two little girls in the States while he got his advanced degrees in engineering. Then, he decided they had to visit his family in Turkey for a holiday (Ah! An adventure!), and she found herself prisoner there for two years. Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde switchover. Full veiling, no freedom without his male family escorting her, no education for the girls. no contact with her widower father. I witnessed these two little girls trying to reconnect with society. What a tragedy.

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        • vfm#7634 says:

          There’s a movie from the 1980s (I think) called Not Without My Daughter that helped publicize that little phenomenon of which you speak.

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          • Rudy Bowen says:

            Yes, Sally Fields with an Iranian husband.

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          • Janie M. says:

            vfm#7634, Sally Field starred in that movie and I viewed it. It was based on a true story of an American woman, Betty Mahmoody, married to an Iranian who took their family to Iran for a “short” vacation. She and her young daughter went through a harrowing escape to return to the U.S.

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        • singingsoul says:

          rashamon says: “Then, he decided they had to visit his family in Turkey for a holiday (Ah! An adventure!), and she found herself prisoner there for two years. Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde switchover. Full veiling, no freedom without his male family escorting her, no education for the girls. no contact with her widower father. ”
          ________________________________
          I have seen young German fall for the same. I always warned young women that if they must marry a Muslim never to travel to his country , Some man took the children on vacation to grandparents never to come back. The children are lost.

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          • In AZ says:

            I have a friend, in my hometown in New Mexico. Her mother was best friends with my mother. My friend teaches English at a university, and the majority of students are moslems. She said the moslems are constantly inviting her to visit the Middle East with them, even told her they would find her a boyfriend. I told her to never go, never date or marry a moslem. I gave her numerous examples of American citizen females marrying moslem men, they go to the Middle East to visit, and end up never seeing America again. Or the moslem husband takes the kids to the Middle East and never returns.

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  12. justfactsplz says:

    I’m sure Obama is rejoicing over what his dear friend Erdogan’s accomplishment today.

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  13. Phil aka Felipe says:

    Considering the war on terror, with whom do the nations of the world that are fighting this war negotiate the ‘terms of peace’?

    Currently, there is no one individual or entity that has the authority or qualifications to represent and speak for all the different players in this Islamic jihad.

    The conditions and circumstances are all aligning to present the optimum situation for ‘One’ to do this. Erdogan has all the characteristics and strategy to fill that role by offering himself as the only man that can unite all the disparate factions of Islam; Sunni, Sufi, and Shiite.

    World leaders need someone to represent the warring parties if there is going to be any ‘peace’ agreement. Erdogan has cunningly and deceptively positioned himself for a long time to offer his services for such a time as this.

    The Caliph represents Islam, so he will have authority to sign ‘covenants of peace’

    Who else on the scene at this time in history has all the characteristics and desire to fill this role than Erdogan? I don’t know of any. Do you?

    The Bible speaks of such a person. Is Erdogan that person?

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  14. Hitler much?

    He’s had his Beer Hall Putsch (“failed coup”) now comes the Reichstag Fire where he is authorized to suspend all freedom.

    He needs killing and his country smashing back down where it belongs. They are a major conduit for the islamic invasion of Europe and are no friend to America.

    Gog-Magog.

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  15. Scotty19541 says:

    This is so not good and most do not realize the consequences. This is setting up the end of times and a world war between the Christians and the Islamists. Walid Shoebat, who admittedly may be slightly off the wall at times, still is a scholar when it comes to Islam versus Christianity and explains in detail with references here:
    http://shoebat.com/2017/04/15/tomorrow-you-get-to-watch-the-beast-rising-out-of-the-earth-with-two-horns-like-a-lamb-and-it-spoke-like-a-dragon/

    Basically Islam = Satan and this tells me Obozo is Satan’s pawn. And the left is Satan’s dupe pushing inclusiveness to the point where any critic of Islam is a racist islamaphobe. I fear greatly for the next generation as they will be witness to the final conflict!

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    • Rudy Bowen says:

      You don’t even need Biblical references to see a major war coming, pretty soon, and not necessarily ‘the final conflict’.
      Existential and brutal, final in that sense, but I don’t think anything like the ‘end times’. We won’t be that lucky.

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      • 1harpazo says:

        But if the Bible predicts this “major war”, then it is a whole new ball game. The Bible actually gives us a road map to be alert to the “end times”. It also gives us the players in those last days.

        From the Bible:Rev 17:10: and they are seven kings; five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; and when he comes, he must remain a little while.
        Rev 17:11: “The beast which was and is not, is himself also an eighth and is one of the seven, and he goes to destruction.

        Turkish President Recep Erdogan takes another step toward re-establishing the Ottoman Empire. The Ottoman Empire was the seventh kingdom which died in 1923. It will be resurrected to be the eighth kingdom. The five kingdoms that have fallen are: 1. Egypt 2. Assyria 3. Babylon 4. Medo-Persia 5. Greece. The sixth which is (when the apostle John wrote Revelation) is Rome. The one to come, the seventh is the Ottoman kingdom. When Erdogan resurrects the Ottoman empire, it will be the eighth. Bible prophecy being fulfilled.

        If the Bible is correct, then you have to deal with the rest of its message.

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    • 1harpazo says:

      This is great news for those who put their faith and trust in Jesus Christ. For those who don’t, they will remain blind to the consequences of these world events. There is a time that is soon coming when those who reject Jesus Christ will not be able to change their minds.

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      • Rudy Bowen says:

        Happy you have that faith, but I don’t. Agnostic, friendly towards Christianity.
        I’d like to see a greater, more interesting destiny unfold for mankind. The universe is a big place, and everything or anything is possible but if these prophecies were to prove out I think it would be a bit of a fizzle.
        I’m not particularly worried about it. We’ll either fulfill that possible destiny or destroy ourselves, imo.

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  16. fleporeblog says:

    Joe Biden is a complete moron if he thinks that 5 minute talk in 2014 would make all of Obozo’s misdeeds concerning ISIS and our role in backing them all go away because they KNEW who the right moderates were compared to SA, Turkey and Quatar. He also laughed about what would happen if we were to give air missles to the enemy. I guess no one told him about Seal Team 6 being shot out of the air in Afghanistan.

    From SD’s incredible article

    Back to the FALL of 2012 – On September 5th/6th 2012 the Turkish vessel “Al Entisar” docked in the Turkish port of Iskenderun. 400 tons of serious cargo including weapons destined for Syrian “rebels”.

    In the U.S. that September 5th night former President Bill Clinton was introducing Candidate Barack Obama at the DNC convention in Charlotte North Carolina. In Afghanistan that night something happened that had already become a serious concern for the operatives within “Operation Zero Footprint”.

    Chief Warrant Officer 2 Thalia Ramirez. Ramirez was killed when her OH-58D Kiowa Warrior helicopter crashed in eastern Afghanistan Sept. 5, 2012. Ramirez was assigned to Troop F, 1-17 Air Cavalry Regiment, 82nd Combat Aviation Brigade, 82nd Airborne Division. Photo: Photo Courtesy Pro Image Digital;Inc., Courtesy / U.S. ArmyAt the exact time Clinton was speaking in North Carolina, halfway around the world in Afghanistan Army Chief Warrant Officers Thalia S. Ramirez, 28, of San Antonio and Jose L. Montenegro Jr., 31, of San Juan, in the Rio Grande Valley, were killed while flying an OH-58D Kiowa Warrior, a Defense Department news release stated.

    On September 5th 2012 – A U.S. organized ship loaded with weapons including missiles was offloading at a Turkish port. Bill Clinton was introducing Barack Obama, and the first black female combat pilot was shot down and killed by a shoulder fired missile in Afghanistan.

    The relationship between the three events reflects the absolute political fear that revolved around Operation Zero Footprint.

    The CIA and Intelligence community had stated earlier the biggest concern anyone held about arming the Libyan Rebels was the possibility those weapons might leave the Libyan conflict and travel to other locations where they would be used against our own soldiers. More and more evidence of this happening was growing.

    In 2011 a total of four air assets were destroyed by enemy fire in Afghanistan. Two of those helicopters happened at the same time in August 2011 when we lost the Navy Seal unit that killed Osama Bin Laden. 22 Americans killed.

    We had been in close quarter full combat operations in Afghanistan for 10 years, and we never had a problem with close air support. We had never faced the concern of our enemy having MANPADS.

    From 2002 through 2010 Combat Operations saw zero occurrences of SAMS, Stingers, or MANPADS in general.

    Within months after delivering weapons to the Benghazi and Darnah rebels (May, June and July 2011) we began facing MANPADS in Afghanistan.

    Four instances in late in 2011 including the 22 lives lost in what came to be known as Operation “Extortion 17”.

    In 2012 it got worse, much worse: June 1st AFGHANISTAN:

    A combined patrol discovered a weapons cache containing three shoulder-fired, surface-to-air missiles, three anti-tank mines, 423 RPGs, 118,600 7.62 mm rounds, 30 rifles and other ordnance in the Tarin Kot district of Uruzgan province. The cache’s contents were destroyed. (link)

    We had a serious problem and it was picking up speed exponentially. June 6th 2012 we lost another crew. July 25th 2012 yet another. August 16th 2012 again more losses. September 5th 2012 more deaths. It just kept getting worse.

    By September 5th 2012 in the preceding nine months we had lost 11 helicopters to shoulder fired missiles in Afghanistan. The following headline hit the media:

    http://freedomoutpost.com/america-suffers-worst-airpower-loss-since-vietnam/

    In Afghanistan the DoD field response was immediate; all Close Air Support was cancelled.

    The White House had a problem – “Operation Zero Footprint” missiles were now being used against us, but DoD didn’t know the origin because the Defense Department did not know about Zero Footprint, the State Department and CIA did.

    The killing of Army Chief Warrant Officers Thalia S. Ramirez, 28, and Jose L. Montenegro Jr., 31, might not have been the final straw – but their September 5th 2012 deaths coincided with an absolute change in direction.

    While the ISIS-minded Syrian Muslim Brotherhood and the Free Syrian Army were arguing over who gets what from aboard the Turkish vessel, back in Benghazi, Libya it was obvious the ideology of the Syrian factions were too extreme and the CIA could no longer control who would use such weapons.

    God forbid DoD ground commanders in Afghanistan find out the MANPADS they were facing originated by our covert efforts in Libya.

    Strangely one must give credit to Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan. As unbelievable as it might sound he was the lone Islamic voice in March 2011 saying “don’t arm the Benghazi rebels“:

    March 2011 – Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the Turkish prime minister, has said he does not support the idea of arming Libyan rebels fighting to oust Muammar Gaddafi from power.

    Speaking at a joint news conference with David Cameron, the British prime minister, in London, Erdogan said: “Doing that would create a different situation in Libya and we do not find it appropriate to do that.”

    Erdogan also said that that sending weapons to Libya could feed terrorism, saying such weapons shipments “could also create an environment which could be conducive to terrorism”. (read more)

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2011/03/2011331161058970489.html

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/04/10/a-warning-against-the-no-fly-zone-approach-in-syria-its-bait/

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    • Wow. 3-Dimensional World Chess Game~ Fit for Artful, Mindful Masters with Steady Hands.

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    • rashamon says:

      Thank you for taking the time to remind all at TCTH just how deceitful our government, through just a few actions, has become and continues to be under this Deep State that thrives under a system funded by The Elites interest money from our multi-layered system of deceit.

      I once again watched the documentary on World War I, which now has me infuriated by the manipulations that continue through today. We truly are simply cogs in the wheel. David Rockefeller and his ken should roast. What would happen if all the money from the peons disappeared? Back to the print shop?

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  17. Joan says:

    Erdogan looks a lot older than 63.

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  18. Beryl Bomb says:

    So, if Turkey has a slew of new residents, does it follow that there are areas where the population is down that we could sweep in and take over?

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  19. Joe says:

    Find a list of all the countries those soldiers represent.
    Obama and Hilary encourage and added Ergodan’s project.

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  20. filia.aurea says:

    Securing the U.S. nuclear armaments at Incerlik has hopefully been a priority for the past several months. Fethulah Gulen might be a good bargaining chip. Our most dangerous aggressors are within, perhaps we should rid ourselves of many.

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  21. wheatietoo says:

    Speaking of Biden…where is ole Joe.

    He’s been very quiet.
    Did he flee the country too, like Obama?

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  22. Timmy-the-Ute says:

    The big question is what will happen to Syria. It is on the verge of being a failed state even when Russia backing Assad. Russia best move is to pick a general and sponsor a pro-Russian coup against Assad. But I fear Russia can’t afford a client state in the Mediterranean. Russia can’t afford a world empire without the promise of communism revolution for the masses. Muslims won’t die for Mother Russia like they would die for Islamic Communism.

    So the question is who gets Syria. It can’t be allowed to run itself, ISSI would just take over. We can’t go in there either. So, we can either encourage Turkey to absorb the country as part of a new Ottoman Empire or we can encourage Egypt to absorb the country as a reestablishment of the United Arab Republic. I fear the former is more likely. Only Erdogan has the ego to think he could handle rebuilding a destroyed Syria.

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    • ALEX says:

      Well…considering Iran is heavily in Syria as a partner of Russia and of course Hezbollah who they founded…this might give you pause

      Iran’s second major ethnic group is Azerbaijani which is a Turkic people, there also other Turkic peoples in Iran such as Turkmens and Qashqai people. Turks and Iranians share a common cultural heritage, known as the Turko-Persian tradition, which was a prominent characteristic of the Ghaznavid (977–1186), Seljuk (1037–1194), Sultanate of Rum (1077–1307), Ottoman (1299–1923), Timurid (1370–1507), Kara Koyunlu (1374–1468), Ak Koyunlu (1378–1501), and Safavid (1501–1736) Empires.

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      • Timmy-the-Ute says:

        Hezbollah is a militia created by Syria and Iran to occupy Lebanon and terrorize Israel. It is not an entity by itself. Hezbollah arms and militia has has also been diverted to the Syrian civil war. Thing are quiet on the Lebanon-Israel border. Hezbollah must be rebuilt.. Iran would have to send a large number of occupying troops to Syria both to support Hezbollah and fight ISSI. It would bankrupt Iran and Russia in a short time.

        Some Nation will have to send a occupying force into Syria. Russia is already starting to pull out. We won’t. I feel Iran doesn’t have the ability to do it. Egypt with US help could do it, or Turkey with NATO help could do it.

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        • rashamon says:

          Why, pray tell, does anyone have to send an occupying force (Western?) into a country where the only problem is outsiders trying to control the land mass and its potential riches? The Brits and French and U.S. have screwed up this area long enough. Begone! Let the tribes work it out. They are no longer illiterate nor unaware. Itchy palms and empty bank accounts become tiring after a while. There has to be a better way of controlling population.

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          • Timmy-the-Ute says:

            A “failed state” means that there is a part of this world not controlled by a sovereign government at this time. That means there is real estate available for other countries to grab. And prime real estate on the Mediterranean and Middle East. Many wars have been fought for control of Syria. But with all the arms that have flooded the land it would take a large occupying army to subdue the local militias. This isn’t the United States after the Revolutionary War. We had established governments and courts, with a Christian population, and an ocean between US and Europe. Syria has none of that. ISSI is the only local militia without Assad.

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      • Jenny R. says:

        And it is this that could gain Erdogan control over a large piece, if not all, of Syria: Turkey and Iran have had some warming of relations as of late.
        And again, watch what the Central Asian states do — they’re becoming increasingly Islamic and share some ethnic ties to Turkey (or at least the Turks are promoting that quite heavily).
        I’m not so sure that Russia has much control over her allies as the other way around — and that will drive their policy. Bad news imhao.
        http://www.newscentralasia.net/2016/08/28/erdogan-erdogan/

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  23. ALEX says:

    Looking at how close that vote was and the fact millions will want to flee the fundamentalist crack down that will only intensify, Europe has some big issues ahead.

    Europeans will be looking at President Trump in a whole new way shortly. They can’t handle this type of migration coupled with the witches brew already stewing…Not good…

    Nicely done Sundance…I’m glad as you mentioned a few weeks back you are zeroing in on this region….It’s fascinating what’s going on in Middle East region…

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  24. jeans2nd says:

    “if NATO were to tell Turkey that if it does not respect democratic standards, its membership will be called into question, Ankara is going to pay attention.”

    “Since last year, the Turkish army has deployed tanks and artillery against parts of its own population…”

    “Erdogan has entered into an alliance with the military…”

    “Being isolated from the West is something that the Turkish regime fears…”
    https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2016/03/29/does-turkey-still-belong-in-nato/nato-must-demand-more-from-turkey

    Thanks to NATO, Americans Pay for Turkey’s Wars
    “Turkey’s continued membership in NATO means that American taxpayers subsidize the Turkish state in the form of guarantees of military defense in case of military conflict with non-NATO nations.”
    https://mises.org/blog/thanks-nato-americans-pay-turkeys-wars

    More than one way to influence Turkey. POTUS knows them all.

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  25. William Ford says:

    Does anyone really believe there is actually honest vote tabulation in places like Turkey? Dictators know it’s not the peoples’ vote that’s important. It’s the tabulation that matters. And the outcome is tightly controlled.

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  26. myshariamoor says:

    OK, Europe…the Turx have voted for Islamic Shari’a via Moslem jihad, its willing muscle.
    The MILLIONS of Turx & other Moslems within your borders are poised to do you IN!
    So, what will you do….FREE yourselves?
    USA is watching.
    “Alea Iacta est!” (L. – ‘The die is cast!’) – Suetonius, 120 AD (re: Caesar’s crossing of the Rubicon to take Rome, 49 BC)

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  27. Trumppin says:

    1000 words……. all i needed to know about both of these two dictator wannabes

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  28. Joe Knuckles says:

    Isn’t this the guy that was photographed caressing Obama’s cheek while Obama looked down submissively? Yes, I do believe that was Erdogan.

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  29. andi lee says:

    Well said, Mr. Parker.

    (Don’t know who Mr. Parker is but I wholely concur with this sentiment) To his credit:

    What a mess!

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  30. Anyone surprised President Trump is getting our Nukes and Air Force the hell out of Incirlik, Turkey?

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  31. andi lee says:

    The answer to Turkey’s Erdogan rests with Marine Le Pen and the patriots of France. God Bless France!

    VIVA Le Pen! VIVA PATRIOTS!

    We must. Push to investigate globalist Jihadi John McCain’s foreign connections & travel!

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  32. tempo150101 says:

    I, for one, welcome the recreation of the Ottoman Empire so long as they don’t go back into the Balkans. Much of the chaos in the Middle East stems from the moves the European powers, specifically England, France and Russia, made to break up the Ottoman Empire. Reassembling it means it is up to them to keep control of their fellow Muzzies and we can stay out of it.

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    • Jenny R. says:

      Historically, the Ottoman Empire was Europe’s greatest threat. The conquest of “the Crusader lands” was always one of their stated aims. And what makes you think Erdogan will be content with not going there (into Europe)? Two things would sway him: his islamist supporters desire it; he is incredibly ambitious.

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    • In AZ says:

      The Ottoman Empire went after Christian Armenians – the Armenian Genocide.

      Erdogan will do the same to Armenia, and to minority Muslim sects, all through the Middle East. The annihilation of Christianity is happening already, another Caliphate will ensure success, with entire populations wiped out.

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      • tempo150101 says:

        It’s more complicated than that. They may have gone after the Armenians, but there were Orthodox Christians from the European part of the Empire who rose to positions of power. Just look at Iraq, Syria and the Palestinian Authority, they have/had Christians in leadership roles. I think there is personal animus between the Armenians and the Turks and that played a bigger role.

        The Turks like Israel and the Jews, too. I wonder if that has anything to do with what the people have been saying about most of them being Khazars (Turks) who converted to Judaism.

        Let’s put it this way, do you want to stay in the Middle East? I don’t. Give it back to them. The only one of those countries that was worthwhile from the standpoint of stuff we need was Iraq.

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  33. fedback says:

    Turks living abroad voted :
    Germany 64/36
    Netherlands 68/32
    France 63/37
    USA 15/85
    UK 15 /85

    Interesting that fundamentalists seem to be in Europe

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    • vfm#7634 says:

      The USA and UK mostly get educated students. The Europeans got uneducated hicks from darkest Anatolia — originally for cheap labor, of course.

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  34. A2 says:

    This seems to me a redux of the ‘Eastern Question’ with some significant differences. Erdogan, as he rose in the political life of Turkey, seems to have changed his position on multiple fronts. He is in his own political world, deft at supporting what ever group seems to garner support, then undercuts them.

    He can play off NATO, and yet threaten the EU. He wants to be part of the EU, but not comply by their conditions. He was an ally to the cleric Gulan (I’m sure Gulan is in the same mold), then shopped him to support his crackdown of the military and civil society. He gives Russia visa free access to his country, and then undercuts the Kurds on the front-lines fighting on the borders to defeat Isis. He accommadated the Obama/Clinton arms transfers, then sold out the US ambassador to the rebels.

    He makes antisemitic statements to pull in the Muslim Brotherhood. Then backtracks. Then states, that the referendum should give him supreme executive power that will squash any opposition and rescue Turkey from a military coup.

    He, like Kim and all other wannabee autocrats wants to rule according to their personal vision.
    This character is complex. He is trying desperately to stay in power and has a wide field of competing interests to exploit, maneuver as of old, because of the geopolitical strategic position Turkey holds between Europe, Russia, Islamic states and access to the Mediterranean.

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    • Bull Durham says:

      Putin has spoken several times about the Armenian genocide. Russia has close ties with Armenia. The last big affront to Erdo was in 2015, the 100th anniversary of the genocide. Putin went to the anniversary memorial and spoke forthrightly.

      Russia has an Armenian component in its citizenry. The young woman who runs RT is Armenian heritage. Appointed by Putin to manage RT and Sputniknews.

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      • In AZ says:

        Historically Russia has been involved with Armenia. Armenia is a country that many others have fought to gain control of.

        I discovered 12 years ago that my last name is Armenian. I have uncovered many distant relatives in every Middle East country and Russia.

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  35. JMC says:

    Putting US nuclear bombs on lightly guarded NATO (= American) airbases in Turkey is stark, raving, bonkers madness.

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  36. Lanna says:

    I’m very interested in what Trump will do on 4/24/17. This is Armenian Genocide Remembrance Day. The U.S. has been pussyfooting around this for years, letting Turkey rewrite history because of strategic alliance. Turkey denies the genocide ever took place, even rehabilitating and reburying the Young Turks who planned and executed the genocide in order to remove all Armenians from the Ottoman Empire.

    Despite campaign promises, little Barry refused to use the word genocide, instead issuing an annual statement from the White House re Armenian Remembrance Day. If Trump calls it Armenian Genocide Remembrance Day how will Erdogan respond?

    The largest Armenian populations are now in the U.S. and Russia. Putin and Erdogan are chummy (they put aside Turkey shooting down that Russian jet) because of the planned gas pipeline, TurkStream, and an agreement for Russia to build four nuclear power plants in Turkey.

    Interesting times.

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  37. duane harbeson says:

    This maybe EXACTLY HOW we lose our Democracy…by a vote….do you know how many US citizens, voted for a SOCIALIST in 2016…?

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  38. James W Crawford says:

    Can you say “Reichstadd Fire?”

    Edrogen is just following Hitler’s playbook.

    Was the legislation to give Edrogen dictatorial power proposed by Jar Jar Binks?

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  39. dreadnok89 says:

    By the way, libya just opened its first slave market. Thanks hillary and obumble

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  40. jmuniz1 says:

    Erdogan is a very evil person. He is also very smart. The United States must not underestimate him. He is a threat to the people in Syria and the United States. I hope our New President does not get more involved in Syria because if Erdogan​s
    people remove Assad. We could see the final stages of a new Ottoman empire and the end of the Sykes Pico agreement. This would be devastating to the interests of the United States and our allies.

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  41. Maggat says:

    This past few years of Erdogan’s rise to complete power in Turkey seem very similar to a power grab carried out in the 1930s in Germany.

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  42. Kenyon Hull says:

    I am dragging Turkey back into the evil maw of Islam. To hell with Ataturk!

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