MH-370 – “McInerney Theory” – Pakistan ?

Our working theory is essentially HERE.  While it represents a rough outline to explain the Malaysian Government reaction – it’s supported by more recent confirmations including: the passports of the two Iranian Nationals were used the year before to obtain Chinese entry visa’s in June of 2013.   In addition, a commercial flight fitting the profile of a Boeing 777  was potentially spotted flying through the Southern Maldives; just south of heavy shipping lanes which one would seek to avoid if flying dark.

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Regardless of whether the Northern Route (through Western China/Himalayas) or Southern Route (around India – Maldives report) was taken, the destination becomes the real question.

Detection, or more aptly the ability to escape detection, is really a no-brainer.   No-one who actually has experience in intelligence or military disputes the ability to fly undetected into an autonomous region – “if you know what you are doing”.    The U.S. Military does it all the time with surveillance flights and drones.

If the theory of Islamists taking the flight is maintained – the supporting state/nation then becomes the larger issue.    Iran or Pakistan ? Both are within flight distance, and both have ideological elements within them which would support such an agenda.

So lets look at what Retired General McInerney has to say:

The report of the flight landing in Pakistan aligns with all other aspects of our initial Treehouse theory:

A LIGNET analyst received information from a source at Boeing that the company believes the plane did land in Pakistan . . . Israel is taking the possibility of a terrorist attack seriously by mobilizing air defenses and scrutinizing approaching civilian aircraft, according to the Times of Israel . . . a Boeing 777 requires a lengthy, 7,500-foot runway, and Pakistan has many of them, meaning Flight 370 could conceivably be hidden in a hangar inside the country . . . U.S. surveillance of the area may be able to shed light on the theory through satellite imagery or signals intelligence. (link)

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Remember, Boeing has satellite data monitoring of it’s engineered componentry it offers as a service.   Although Malaysian Airlines did not subscribe to the service – the capability to activate the tracing systems within the componentry still exists without registration and payment for the service.

Think of it like owning a GM vehicle equipped with OnStar.   OnStar provides a tracking service to tell you, among other things, when your car needs service or maintenance, and can diagnose routine issues (oil, air pressure, engine operation, transmission, fluid levels) remotely.    They can even connect your monitoring to notifications toward your chosen mechanic service who will contact you based on the data received by the OnStar service.

If you do not subscribe to the service, the capability to “switch on” the service still resides with OnStar at any time.   They can activate the tracking and monitoring without you knowing it.

Boeing could “activate” the same monitoring of their Rolls Royce engines and componentry at any time – regardless of whether or not Malaysian Airlines subscribed as a customer.   Potentially, this is what has taken place.   Boeing may have “tuned in” to the MH-370 engine signal broadcast as a means to locate it.   Hence they report its location in Pakistan.

The removal of U.S. military ships in the ongoing search would not be done if the U.S. held reasonable probability they would find MH-370 at sea.

The Israeli military would not be preparing so readily and openly if their intelligence reports were leaning toward the plane as crashed.

malaysia search 5However, previously Pakistan “political” officials have said flight MH-370 could not have arrived into their airspace without their knowledge.   The problem is most of their defense monitoring is aimed toward India, and we (The U.S. Military) have strong first-hand knowledge of how easy it is to enter Pakistan airspace without being discovered.  (See OBL Mission and dozens of armed drone flights/incursions)

Their claim might sound good, but holds little actual substance.   It does however create the problem for embarrassment.   That’s not good and becomes a factor within the equation.

Pakistan is a VERY divided political/cultural razor wire – caught between the Islamist Taliban and more western friendly, albeit self-serving, Muslim espousals.

If the plane was inside Pakistan, the political chess game of how to save the face for the Western friendly politicals (the ones who said it could never reach them) becomes a complicating factor.

If the plane is inside Pakistan, and it becomes publicly known, the world will ask “why”?

This question represents an optical risk to the Pakistan internal politicos which once again runs counter to their claims of anti-terror.    Remember, OBL hid there for years and the same folks claimed they never knew.   This plane, identified by us to be, in their territory would magnify those same post-OBL issues to infinite magnitudes.

However, Osama Bin Laden the story does also present a possible motive.   OBL was killed on May 2nd 2011 !!!!    Would the Pakistan Islamist movement be looking to use this Boeing 777 for an event on such an anniversary ?

Because of the fractured political ideology, Pakistan, like Iran, would lend itself toward making sense as a destination.

Pakistan -as an ideologically fractured state government- would more likely have a rogue element willing to assist in pulling this off without the more Western friendly Pakistani elements even knowing about it.

Just like how some of the Pakistani’s knew about OBL hiding out, those same ideologues would not have an issue supporting an anti-Western operation such as this.

malaysia flight 370As Pam Geller outlines - Lt. Gen. Thomas McInerney was on “Sean Hannity” tonight to explain how missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 could have landed in Pakistan to be used for terrorism.

[...]  McInerney said that most of the world’s sensors are in that region, and that between Rolls-Royce, Boeing and the U.S. government, officials know a lot more than has come out.

“When the U.S. Navy quits their search, their ship search, they must know something in the Indian Ocean. When the Israeli defense forces, when they increase their defense alert, they must know something,” McInerney said.

If McInerney’s theory is right, the airplane would have landed at 5 a.m. Pakistan time, and it would have still been dark out.   (link)

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162 Responses to MH-370 – “McInerney Theory” – Pakistan ?

  1. elvischupacabra says:

    That on-board system doing the broadcasting is the AHMS (Aircraft Health Monitoring System), which is a Boeing product. Even if your airline doesn’t “buy” the service, Boeing still monitors their product, both for reliability and warranty data.

    Also, the engines transmit data all the time to both Boeing and the engine manufacturers via the AHMS uplink. It’s no small secret that the RR-90 Trents and GE-90s are so expensive, that most air carriers lease their engines from a third party and pay for their use, by the hour. Many also lease their APUs, which eliminates the cost and infrastructure required for rebuilding “in house”. So, for obvious reasons, these monitoring systems stay on all the time.

    The 777 is such a “smart” airplane that it’s hard to make it go completely dark, in a telemetry and electronic emissions sense, while it’s airborne. Even the on-board cockpit satellite phone is constantly looking for the best available satellite link, unless it’s completely disconnected.

    • rovatek says:

      That’s why I like the electrical fire theory that was posted on Wired. It seems to cover all the basic questions if you assume that some of these sightings are mistaken or bogus.

      The terrorism scenario on the other hand strikes me as hawks trying to replace the boogeyman (AKA Bin Laden) with a Flying Dutchman to scare folks with.

      • Rob Crawford says:

        If the Wired guess is right, where’s the wreckage?

        • rovatek says:

          In the Indian Ocean. It’s a big place and according to that theory they’ve been looking in the wrong area.

      • mung says:

        There was no fire.

      • Chip Bennett says:

        The theory doesn’t work, and is easily disproved:

        1) Transponder goes dark
        2) Co-pilot transmits, “Good night.”

        In that order.

        • rovatek says:

          Regarding that:
          “Evidently the ACARS went inoperative some time before. Disabling the ACARS is not easy, as pointed out. This leads me to believe more in an electrical problem or an electrical fire than a manual shutdown. I suggest the pilots probably were not aware ACARS was not transmitting.”

          • Chip Bennett says:

            That still doesn’t explain the “Good night” transmission, if the plane were supposedly distressed.

            • rovatek says:

              Read the article Chip, that’s addressed as well. I’m not saying that’s what happened but to me this theory seems the most razor friendly.

            • radish says:

              Apparently, it nudges some pilots the wrong way that the co-pilot said “good night” rather than the usual professional crisp 10-4. Perhaps he was trying to deviate from routine to send a hint.

              • John Galt says:

                The co-pilot previously entertained young women in the cockpit. Deviation from routine was apparently not a problem for him.

              • elvischupacabra says:

                Give me a break! 10-4? I routinely leave controllers with, “Good _____,” or “Y’all have a good day,” or “Roger, thanks a lot,” or anything pretty much except, “10-4″. Not Adam 12 or Highway Patrol. :lol:

                • mung says:

                  I don’t always sign off with CB radio calls when I am talking to Air Traffic Control, but when I do I always use the handle Rubber Ducky.

                • radish says:

                  Not Adam 12 nor bush pilot on hobby run, but a commercial jumbo Boeing 777 carrying 239 human pay load. There has to be more officious safety standards, brief, to the point, not wishy-washy, feel good, type phraseology. “All right, good night” is kind of lame and uninformative. How about – cruise speed reached, what is it, maintaining for next hour (etc), height at present moment, all systems checked, before sign off, since signing off means you are safe and on the way with no immediate concerns for a period of time. I’m sure 10-4 is not the only phraseology used, there are key terms, brief and to the point for clarity.

                  • mung says:

                    10-4 is not used at all. When you are done you say “Over”. Have you never seen the movie Airplane?

                • Al says:

                  elvischupacabro, you would not have expected something like this?

                  Malaysia Area Control Center: Malaysia three seven zero, radar coverage terminated, contact Ho-Chi-Minh Area Control Center on 125.5, frequency change approved.

                  MH 370: Malaysia Center, Malaysia three seven zero, copy Ho-Chi-Minh frequency 125.5, good night.

                  MH 370: Ho-Chi-Min Center, Malaysia three seven zero, nnnn altitude, xxx kilometers from Ho-Chi-Minh, good evening.

                  So, what is so terribly secret that Malaysia can’t simply release the complete transcript?

          • mung says:

            A) one breaker will shut down the ACARS, not hard to do.
            B) the change in flight path was made 12 minutes prior to the final transmission and prior to the ACARS being shut off.

            • radish says:

              Change in flight path was programmed into the Flight Path System within the 40 minutes after take-off. It requires expert knowledge, a skill that only the experienced pilot or an engineer would possess.

            • Stormy says:

              Greta had video of that lower compartment on her show last week… there are probably several thousand switch/circuit/knob looking things down there. It would be like finding a needle in a haystack unless you had a schematic/diagram to find the correct one.

          • CrankyinAZ says:

            Then why did the plane turn first?

            It doesn’t make sense… the plane wouldn’t keep flying for 7 1/2 hours after a fire… making changes in altitude.

          • Ant says:

            Acars is easily disabled.

        • Donna L says:

          “The misnomer is if you turn off the transponder you turn off everything. That’s not true. You still have a blip on the radar screen that comes from ground-based radar. You can never turn that off,” Aimer said. – See more at:

          • Chip Bennett says:

            The point I was making, primarily, was that it makes no logical sense for some electrical disaster to have taken out the transponder, before the copilot calmly issued a very normal sign-off. One would reasonably expect that the copilot, if still in radio communication, would have said something about the catastrophic electrical fire that forced them to pull the busses, thereby disabling the transponder.

            Instead, he merely said, “Good night.”

            Ergo, it is reasonable to conclude that, at the time that the copilot signed off with, “Good night”, the crew was unaware of any electrical fire or issues – and therefore, the crew was unaware of any electrical fire or issues at the time that the transponder was disabled.

        • George says:

          That’s based on old info. At first the tower claimed they had “signed off” with mh 370 at 1:30. Radar records noted the transponder went dead around 1:25. Upon review of the actual tower communications tape, it was found the conversation took place at 1:18, BEFORE the transponder went dead, and the tower personnel had just estimated the last time they talked to the plane.

      • Forrest says:

        We’d ALL like to believe the electrical fire theory, that is for sure. Noble pilots fighting to save innocent lives, and all. However, all of the facts seem to point towards something untoward involving the participation of at least one of the pilots/pirates. The stream of facts being released from the Malaysians has the viscosity of molasses, but certain assumptions seem warranted: the plane was diverted intentionally before the “good night” message; mechanisms allowing for the identification and location of the plane were deliberately disabled; and numerous “coincidences” regarding individuals on the flight suggest that malicious intent is at least plausible.

        Thanks to the tree house for, again, bringing these plausibilities to light and, in many cases, breaking information that is hard to find outside of the CTH walls. My prayers are with the passengers and their families and I trust that any misdeeds in this case will be brought to light.

      • Allan Lawrence says:

        The fire theory is simply wrong and needs to be discarded in order to determine the fate of the 777, A May Day/emergency radio transmission would take under 10 seconds to send. The act of someone turning off the transponder and inserting course changes without contacting any air traffic facility while a fire was on board is not plausible nor in any scenario, logical. The aircraft flew for at least six additional hours. It would have been consumed and destroyed by any fire that disabled all comm/nav systems.
        There is malice and deliberateness involved in this aircraft’s disappearance. My guess is that it is up in the Paki- Turkiman area. Those involved were skilled with a plan.

        • George Adair says:

          You are correct. The flight that went down here in Canada off Peggy’s Cove on the east coast several years ago because of a catastrophic fire quickly forced the crew out of the cockpit and yet even they had time to report the problem to the ground. This flight MH-370 IMHO did not go down due to a fire or electrical failure. I have worked in the aviation business for over thirty years specifically in the Avionics trade and fires progress through systems, but VERY seldom are so quick as to shut down the whole electrical system. Besides which nobody seems to address the question that if the electrical systems shut down then how did an aircraft designed as a “fly by wire” (no direct connection from control yoke to ailerons, rudder, elevators etc) stay in the air for more then 6 hours as suggested.

    • curious says:

      Doesn’t Boeing’s AHMS ride on ACARS? On MH370, ACARS was turned off, it appears.

      • elvischupacabra says:


        • elvischupacabra says:

          That’s like saying, didn’t your Ford have a Chevy engine? Different products.

        • curious says:

          Vietnam did. First they tried to establish contact directly. When that failed, they asked the pilot of another MAS flight that was 30 minutes ahead and flying to Narita, Japan, to use their emergency channel to contact MH370. The Narita-bound pilot reportedly managed to do so but got a lot of static and heard the co-pilot mumble something. The connection dropped. He tried again, unsuccessfully. He then reported it back to the Vietnamese but didn’t think much of it himself. Apparently, this kind of thing sometimes happens. Anyhow, the Vietnamese contacted ATC in Kuala Lumpur to ask about the status of this flight. From this point on, it’s a blur.

  2. afghanvet18f says:

    Pakistan sounds like a good bet. I would also point to Baluchistan province in SW Paki. It is a “wild West” area of Paki. There is a great deal of lawlessness and jihad going on there. I did a Google earth analysis of Baluchistan and there are several good airstrips that could be candidates. These are not far from the sea and away from major urban area like Karachi. If there is collusion between Iran and Paki, it would be a good area with roads traversing the area between the two countries. Remember Paki has nukes and Iran does not, as far as we know??? Iran uses proxy countries and groups to do their dirty work, but would not risk having this plane be found on their soil. Paki is the best bet, plenty of lawless ,wild west areas, and a corrupt Intelligence agency , the I.S.I. , plenty of jihadis too. Plane was probably picked up by US sources in or flying out of Afghanistan. We watch this area pretty heavily. Been there ,done that.

    • elvischupacabra says:

      Let’s just crater all the runways and see which one with a big hanger is getting fixed.

      • afghanvet18f says:

        We most likely know its location. We are waiting for the Pakis to act, is my guess. Gen. McInerney intimated on Fox news that we know the plane is in Paki. We have a lot of Intel sources in Paki so it is likely we know where the plane is located.

        • Stormy says:

          On Hannity, later that night, he said it was in Pakistan. It sounds like the U.S. listened to them on one of the radios that they did not turn off, talk to their bad guy friends as they flew.

          Listen to what McInerney said to Hannity where it says (link) above._

      • ctdar says:

        Like your thinking, impede plane mobility.

    • Stormy says:

      Gen. McInerney did say “western Pakistan” and there were 3 airfields that could handle a 777.
      If you click on the word (link) at the end of the article above you can watch the whole interview. He said the pilots did NOT turn off several different types of radios, that allowed them to be in radio contact with their criminal friends on the ground.

    • Aslan's Girl says:

      Thank you, afghanvet18f, for sharing your knowledge of the area with us and also for your service to our country. God bless you!

    • Sharad Singhania says:

      This could be why we also heard that some of the passengers mobiles were ringing – but not responded to !! The Mobiles are intact – hence the Plane is also safe ! Well the same may not be true for the humans on the flight !!

      For last 2 days – no news on the mobiles !!

  3. rovatek says:

    If you ask a general, you’ll get a terrorism scenario, if you ask a pilot, you’ll get a catastrophe scenario, and if you ask Giorgio Tsoukalos, you’ll get aliens. I’m not sure who to believe.

    • mung says:

      Funny, all of the pilots I know (I work as an engineer for a defense contractor that deals with planes and plane systems) say that there is no way it was a catastrophic failure or any failure at all. They say it was a deliberate act. Now, could they have crashed trying to carry out their act? Maybe, but not in the water.

      • rovatek says:

        Terrorism is good for their business so I’m not surprised people in the defense industry would jump to that conclusion.

        • mung says:

          Whatever. What exactly is your expertise to be making the claims you are making?

        • Allan Lawrence says:

          Mung, you must be younger than 13 years old. Bad guys do bad things with planes and transponders don’t turn themselves off. No conclusion jumping here, just a very likely explaination.

  4. jordan2222 says:

    The depth of knowledge expressed on this blog is astonishing. There’s an awful lot of education and talent here. Yes, YOU DID build that.

  5. nyetneetot says:

    All war gaming aside; you know if the plane is sound that the current holder(s) is checking the engine, toilet paper, and mini vodka bottle for unknown telemetry signals.

    • nyetneetot says:

      Truth is stranger than fiction, but I’m still praying it was more like the Wired scenario. One can hope, right?

    • elvischupacabra says:

      People also forget that this airplane requires a lot of maintenance to stay flyable.

      • MouseTheLuckyDog says:

        Actually I have. Also the longer it stays on the ground, the more maintenance it needs. It’s not simply gas it up and it’s ready to go.

        • nyetneetot says:

          I had a client once that had been on the Saber manufacturing team in his youth. He had mentioned that they leaked jet fuel so much that they had to run tape from the leaks to various buckets when they sat in the hanger. I’ve often wondered if modern jets still have that problem.

      • radish says:

        I hope the snotty pilot learned his lesson when the jumbo bounced like a tin can of bad meat, spun 270 degrees, went angle up tail first, nose striking the ground, getting desert sand up its engine parts, empty fuselage cracking like hot baked parchment paper, disintegrating into floating moth wings. May he drink out of a soured milk tetra pack left on board from electrical failure when he turned of the breaker, and may his family never hear from him again. Provided he’s the culprit, of course. 95% sure.

  6. carterzest says:

    Late Breaking News!

    Some information has been deleted from the flight simulator found at the home of Flight 370′s pilot, the Malaysian transport minister said. Forensics is trying to recover it, he said. (CNN)

    • rovatek says:

      I don’t know about you but I delete stuff from my computer all the time. Sounds like much ado about nothing to me.

      • auscitizenmom says:

        There would be some “ado” if you were deleting information that implicated you in a crime, especially of this magnitude and complexity.

        • rovatek says:

          The police could search your house right now and find “bomb making materials.” It’s not hard to make something insignificant sound ominous.

      • Chip Bennett says:

        And if those deleted data are a simulated flight path from Malaysia to the Indian Ocean, through the Maldives, and on to an airfield in Western Pakistan through the Arabian Sea, that would just be purely coincidence, right?

        • rovatek says:

          That’s a HUGE leap to make with no evidence.

          • Chip Bennett says:

            The operative word there is if. Since we don’t yet know what the deleted data contain, everything is speculation. I’m asking if you would consider such data, should it turn out to be similar to such speculation, to be merely coincidental and not in any way indicative of the pilot’s intent to commandeer the plane and fly it to Pakistan?

            • rovatek says:

              I’d say that would be very suspicious if not damning. But at this point we have absolutely no reason to even suspect there is anything like that.

      • radish says:

        Depends on how the elements from the software were deleted, and WHEN. The pilot did leave traces of simulation including 5 landing strips around the Maldives area. Probably red herrings to mislead. The true target landing strips would have been erased. This guy is not stupid.

        • rovatek says:

          Considering he was a pilot in that region of the world I don’t find that suspicious at all.

          • radish says:

            The point is exactly THAT. Landing strips in the Maldive region, no biggie. Deleted landing strips, biggie. Do I have to spell it out for you?

  7. nomorebsplease says:

    Where is the pilots wife? Why did malaysia govt not request data from boeing?

    • LetJusticePrevail" says:

      I have searched for any word of the pilot’s wife and kids… nothing. No media interviews or statements, and no mention that she was questioned by authorities. Why not? Am I looking in the wrong places for word of her or can’t they find her?

      • What I heard on Fox News is that the wife of the pilot and all of his kids moved out of the house the day before the 370 flight. Whereabouts unknown.

        • justfactsplz says:

          They need to check about the four passengers who did not take the flight at the last minute. Were they somehow replace with the pilot’s family.

        • radish says:

          Should check their bank accounts! Is the pilot and or family withdrawing money? Malay officials are probably holding information back.

    • mcguffin says:

      I’ve been thinking the same. She could have pertinent information.
      I’m not opposed to water boarding.

  8. Charlotte says:

    Just published. An eye opener, but nothing we didnt know:
    What Pakistan knew about Bin Laden:

    • LetJusticePrevail" says:

      America has known about the ISI activities supporting the Taliban and al-Qaeda since the 1990′s, but have failed to act. Primarily because Pakistan is a nuclear power with just enough fanaticism and disregard for life that they will use nukes if they are cornered. It’s also worth noting that China provided considerable assistance to Pakistan’s nuclear program.

      • MouseTheLuckyDog says:

        I think that it’s more they are scared to push to hard and give the radical elements a chance to grab power.

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  10. labrat says:

    Not to sound like a broken record, but what about the 239 people on the plane? Dead or alive?

    • mung says:

      Your guess is as good as mine. Could have been killed to make taking the plane easier, could be locked up somewhere waiting for after the act to use them to demand the release of someone.

    • rovatek says:

      I’d say probably dead of smoke inhalation, impact trauma, or drowning.

    • Cyber says:

      Dead. They were all dead shortly after the plane went to 45,000 feet.

    • MouseTheLuckyDog says:

      If they are alive why haven’t they turned on their cell phones. They don’t have to call just text or email.

      • mung says:

        Gee Wally, maybe because they were taken from them by their captors?

        • MouseTheLuckyDog says:

          They still would have gotten texts off before they handed them over. Plus–my sister has two cell phones, her new galaxy, her old phone, and a Kindle. A lot of people I know carry multiple devices with connectivity on them. Of the 200+ people you don’t think one could have kept a hidden device?

          No the passengers had to be unconscious before whatever happened happened. If they were unconscious then, theyare probably dead now.

          • mung says:

            There are no cell towers in the middle of the ocean. By the time the passengers realized what was happening the plane was already flying dark and out of cell range. The climb to 45K feet could have been to knock them out long enough to get their phones. There are also devices that can jam signals.

            • elvischupacabra says:

              If the cabin is depressurized, the emergency O2 masks would drop, providing about 20-25 minutes of oxygen. I’m not sure how long the aircraft was at 45K, but at that altitude, the aircraft loses lift and the engines will come close to engine starvation. I routinely fly at FL42, and at that altitude my Falcon-200 flies much differently than at 25-35.

              • mung says:

                But could he disable the masks or supply?

                • Stormy says:

                  Yes, he could turn off the oxygen to the cabin at anytime… the masks would deploy, and the passengers would have about 22 minutes of O2 from their masks… The pilots have a greater supply of O2 in their masks.

                  I wonder if the pilots took it up to 45,000, because some of the passengers were starting to resist?

  11. Chewbarkah says:

    McInerney might well have been told all this, and he might believe it. Was he fed information so he would spread it, to prepare the public or to force the administration’s hand? Or disinformation to obfuscate what the administration does not want the public to know, since that might lead to pressure for “action”? With the Maldives as a refueling stop (seems like a review of fuel inventories at Maldives airports is in order), Pakistan or Iran are both in reach. I suspect that something this big would leak in Pakistan, but not in Iran, especially if the plane went to some interior military airbase. The US watches both, but might be less perfect at it than people assume (or as McInerney suggests, we know more than we are telling.) A complicated mess this is.

    • LetJusticePrevail" says:

      All of Pakistan and nearly half of Iran was within the range of Flight 370, based the average cruising speed of a Boeing 777-200ER (.84 mach), its last known position, and the amount of time the engines kept reporting (5.5 hours) after its last known position. The potential search area was grossly under reported.

      What I find most remarkable about the “McInerny Theory” is that the system for tracking the engines could is monitored remotely, but that information is not provided to the airlines unless they pay for it. The engine manufacturer believes the plane in in Pakistan, and I see little reason to doubt them.

      The Malaysian government has numerous reasons to lie or withhold information from the media. One may be out of necessity to protect military secrets (radar coverage or lax procedures and oversight) another is the precarious political position of an administration that may have botched the investigation early on, as well as the international political repercussions for their missteps (see China’s criticisms of the Malaysian investigation).

      Obviously,the government of Pakistan HAS lied by claiming the plane could not have reached Pakistan without detection. We know this because of the ability of our own drones to pass through their airspace (not to mention the UBL raid) undetected and with no interference. So their claims that it was impossible for FH 370 to reach Pakistan undetected are being made for some other reason.

      And, as McInerny pointed out, even the American government is withholding information about this plane, and where it is. With the amount of American space hardware that is focused on this part of the world, it is highly doubtful that our intelligence and military services have not already determined where this plane landed. And, our administration has numerous reasons to be less than honest about what they know, when they discovered it, and how they learned it.

      America has turned a blind eye to Pakistan’s half-concealed support of the Taliban in Afghanistan for decades. We are,more or less, “Frenemies” with Pakistan in a convoluted nest of political intrigue. And don’t forget that Pakistan is the world’s second largest Muslim nation by population, and the only nuclear capable Muslim nation, largely due to assistance from China. If America officially comes out to point a finger directly at Pakistan there could be far reaching repercussions. What may be happening behind the scenes is a low key, off the radar, negotiation between the US and Pakistan that is designed to work out some sort of “plausible deniability” for Pakistan before everything is revealed to the rest of the world. Or, it could just turn out that America (once again) does nothing to assist the Malaysian government’s search for flight 370, simply to avoid creating even more tension between the US, Pakistan, and China.

      • radish says:

        With Sippy Cup in charge, I mean, ValJar, friend of Iran, in charge, we can be confident America is in safe hands. Drones entering Pakistani airspace undetected must have given the hijackers a brainstorm, and a possible motive as SD surmises. Malaysia and other recently converted muslim countries will be Pakistan one day, since a wholly muslim country is safe at hiding the OBLs and radicalists. These countries are a breeding ground for future Talibans and Al Quedas, only they meld in as Asians. The MH370 pilot is an early warning sign.

        • Chewbarkah says:

          Obama desires to withdraw all US forces from Afghanistan, and possibly the Middle East/Central Asia. Suppressing evidence of Paki/Irani involvement to avoid stalling the withdrawal process would make sense from that perspective. Alternatively, the whole production could be intended as a Tonkin Gulf incident designed by whoever wants to stall the withdrawal process. That concept is weak since the US is not the primary target (so far) and would not be forced to respond. Another shoe to drop?

  12. John Galt says:

    “The removal of U.S. military ships in the ongoing search would not be done if the U.S. held reasonable probability they would find MH-370 at sea.”

    The black box batteries reportedly run out in 18 more days. If they thought the plane was in the ocean I think there would be intensive sonar searching going on to find the black box before it stops pinging.

    • LetJusticePrevail" says:

      Maybe that “black box” was swept away by another “flash flood”

    • mung says:

      Or one of our many planes that have VERY sensitive sensors that would be able to pick up those pings even in the water? Also look up LIDAR and water.

    • LetJusticePrevail" says:

      I’m beginning to think that the US government doesn’t want to find that plane or (more accurately) doesn’t want to reveal what it knows because of where the plane actually went.

      • mung says:

        We know exactly where it is. Here is my theory. We don’t want the world or those responsible to know what we know. The only way to stop the plan without putting innocents at risk is to take that plane out while it is still being modified. My guess is that the big push right now is to determine the fate of the passengers and see if we need to try a rescue mission prior to the airstrikes.

        • LetJusticePrevail" says:

          You have a good point about concern over the fate of the passengers. I was considering this from the viewpoint that they were already dead, but that’s not an assumption that our government would make. But, what resources do we have on the ground in that area of Pakistan that could determine the condition or location of the passengers?

          • MouseTheLuckyDog says:

            You think that if the passengers were alive, with all those cell phones someone would have got work out?

          • taqiyyologist says:

            I think we’re somewhere between you, LJP and Mung,

            Our military and intel agencies definitely still have people within them who want to use their powers for good (as it were), but those in power in these agencies have been and are being purged, excommunicated, and even killed at shooting ranges and in flying UPS trucks. All our best, and most patriotic, and most Godly, are being systematically replaced, and we’re pretty far up that road, now. Drudge has it up now: Trannies in military next ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’….

            I don’t know if our current agencies want to protect the innocent, or to aid the terrorists, at this point.

            That’s where I am. Things are falling apart, the center is not holding.

            • LetJusticePrevail" says:

              Oh, I agree that our agencies still have many decent people who work with the best of intentions and will “do the right thing” if the opportunity presents itself. However, the problem lies with our leadership,particularly the politicians in DC who dictate foreign policy.

          • mung says:

            Who says that those resources are on the ground?

            • LetJusticePrevail" says:

              I’m not saying that our only resources would be literally “on the ground”, but only asking what resources we do have there in Western Pakistan, since it is largely controlled by people sympathetic to the Taliban and al-Qaeda. Wouldn’t intelligence gathered by operatives who could physically visit the suspected landing sight be more conclusive than overflights by drones, satellites, etc?

              • mung says:

                They sure would be. I am sure we have people inside those organizations that are reporting back to us.

                • LetJusticePrevail" says:

                  An operation of this nature would highly compartmentalized so I doubt we will get “inside information, but it might be possible for people to nose around at airports and gather intel for us.

  13. taqiyyologist says:

    Admin, please keep rovatek around.

    I’m fascinated and entertained with his every comment.

    I also like to look at Salvador Dali paintings, for the same reason.

      • rovatek says:

        Awesome, Dali is one of my favorite artists!

        • taqiyyologist says:

          LOL! I mean no offense, but I think you are totally off, on this issue — so off as to make me think of surrealism. I can’t quite put my finger on why or how, but I’m no master of logic lately.

          Will you promise to eat your hat if all your suspicions are proven wrong, and most of our suspicions proven right?

          Hats go down better with habanero cheddar.™

          I’ll send you a block of it. Cabot. Good stuff.

  14. Nana says:

    I believe that someone is hiding information to the whereabouts of this plane. Whether to save face or to carry out a devious plan later.

  15. Sibyl S. says:

    Follow the engines. Boeing and Rolls Royce say the engines are in Pakistan. The General, who has contacts he will never reveal, says Pakistan. I believe them.

    The plane is in Pakistan or thereabouts.

    As for the passengers and crew – what is the value of human life to Islam-crazed jihadis? Less than used toilet paper.

    • radish says:

      I hope the General’s contacts in the military KNOW not to share any information with Sippy Cup. We all know what happened to the Pakistani doctor who helped the Seals find OBL. There are probably plenty of MH370 eye witnesses and informants in Pakistan but too terrified to come forward because Muslim Brother Barack H Obama and Biden would leak their identities out. I pray that Barack and ValJar are in total darkness. I pray military chiefs know to keep secret intelligence from Me, Me, Me-in-Chief, from day 1 of this hijack.

    • waltherppk says:

      Jihadi Airlines is having a pilgrimage to paradise special, so all faithful frequent fanatic flyers are encouraged to convert their bonus frequent fanatic flyer miles during this special offer to receive 30, yes 30, additional bonus virgins. That’s right folks, for all those horny muslims who maybe thought a mere seventy virgins was stingy and simply refuse to be jewed down to a mere 70 from a full hundred, customer service in paradise? has heard your cry, and now every martyr can be a harem centurion.

  16. 2x4x8 says:

    its looking more and more that way

  17. ensitue says:

    #1 MA777 starts making turn
    #2 Pilot says “Good Night”
    #3 Transponder goes dark
    #4 MA777 climbs above 40,000 feet
    Not a fire

    • LetJusticePrevail" says:

      They had to go to 45,000 feet because the “Mother Ship” doesn’t operate well in denser atmosphere.

  18. justfactsplz says:

    With all of the information we have learned I believe the plane is in Pakistan and they are working with Iran on the next leg of the journey. Pakistan has the nukes and as far as we know Iran doesn’t
    It makes sense that the Iranian “payload” would be loaded up in Pakistan. This plane needs to be disabled from future flight capabilities. Politics are standing in the way.

  19. mcguffin says:

    Thank you Treehouse and SD for such good investigating and reporting always.
    Making a $ donation to help keep it coming, hoping everyone reading and enjoying TCT does same.

    • Forrest says:

      Thank you McGuffin. I wish that I had enough cash to donate, as I surely would. As it stands, I am in debt over my head due to student loans. For this reason, I most graciously appreciate the efforts of the Tree House and the comments of faithful patrons. When my doctorate pays off, I will happily contribute to CTH, financially and otherwise.

  20. mung says:

    ABC news is now saying that it was flying towards the south pole. No one else is saying that.

    • hoonan says:

      The Daily Mail is also…..although they are just citing ABC news which is citing “US and UK officials” as sources….graphic in story says NTSB…

  21. Tick2Rio says:

    One thing I have never heard explained. Why did Vietnam not report the plan missing when it didn’t show up in its airspace? They send a flight every night, isn’t a flight plan filed?

  22. Loves1percentscenarios says:

    My personal 1% scenario is that the jet was stolen by the Chinese via Pakistan. Why? the GE90-94B engines. Chinese domestic jet turbine production is a relatively high national security imperative. So much so that the Russians are reluctant to sell them SU-35s as they fear the Chinese will copy the engines. The Chinese C-17 copies are hampered by an inability to produce effective turbines. This limits force projection due to mediocre lift capacity.

  23. maschilling says:

    I think Pakistan is a viable possibility. Flying over water keeps them off the radar and they could land at Ormara airport, which is abandoned, on the coast, and could be approached from over water without going over a human settlement. Landing strip is almost 5000 ft. The only radar they would have to worry about for the entire flight was Pakistan military radar, and if Pakistan military is complicit, they could be using the nearby Jinnah Naval base for holding hostages, etc.

  24. lisalazuli says:

    Reblogged this on lisalazuli and commented:
    Interesting take on #MH370

  25. Annie Magnolia says:

    I believe this plane did land in Pakistan, flew over the Maldives, flew mostly over water.

    • Annie Magnolia says:

      I got the sense that this plane was in Pakistan almost immediately upon hearing it was missing. Then heard about the two Iranians flying on board with stolen passports which solidified my belief. Then heard about people who were about to board and then didn’t. Either by the grace of God or by some sixth sense or knowledge of what was happening, perhaps even by having something in particular loaded onto that plane that was part of the plan. Then I heard these reports from this retired General and the opinions of Boeing and Rolls Royce that this plane is in Pakistan and it just makes my initial belief pretty solid.

  26. DC Metro Detective Squad says:

    Annie, I’m completely in agreement with you!! Every day that passes the “missing airplane situation” makes me think that the plane DID NOT crash. It landed somewhere (although it could be in Iran or Pakistan) The public isn’t told the truth most of the time— and I feel very deeply for the frustrated relatives and friends of the missing passengers. We know there is more to this story– but the authorities aren’t telling ALL!! One more thought; why hasn’t China been more vocal on this issue?? They seem awfully quiet— this fuels my suspicions even more!!

    • DC Metro Detective Squad says:

      P.S. Most folks are shying away from the “T-Word”!! Many are more convinced that it’s terrorist related– and you don’t have to be “military” to think so!! Eventually the truth will come out– we pray that it’s sooner than later; especially for the bewildered, grief stricken and very frustrated family members and friends of the missing!!

  27. Thegreenghost says:

    Military disinformation. Eyewitness reports place the plane above the Maldives heading in a southeasterly trajectory. The most likely landing spot is Diego Garcia.

  28. Vahitsmom says:

    I believe the captain waited for the co-pilot to leave the cockpit to use restroom or get a cup of coffee. Captain then locks co-pilot out of cockpit, turns off transponder, takes plane to 45,000 feet to get rid of passengers, shuts off oxygen for good measure while having his oxygen mask on. Everyone “goes to sleep” including co-pilot. Captain at this point is only living soul on board. He takes plane back to cruising altitude, turns on auto-pilot, goes downstairs and pulls circuit breakers to ACARS and other communication systems, goes back to cockpit and continues on to Pakistan to a predetermined rogue landing strip made by al qaeda. They bury the bodies in a mass grave and are going to use the plane as a weapon of mass destruction.

  29. jordan2222 says:

    If this saga was pulled off by “terrorists” it is a very different one than any others revealed in the past.

    Once in a while I love to read good conspiracy theories but your account of what happened is just as good, if not better…. AND LOGICAL …. as the others that I have read so proceed with caution and I will be your first fan. I only ask that you give me heads up BEFORE they use the plane as a weapon of mass destruction.

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

  30. Vahitsmom says:

    US and Israelis have probably already “disabled” the missing plane along with a good chunk of al qaeda minions. They will never let this one out of the bag because it would prove just how easy it is to get a plane. All you need is one Islamic fanatic that is damn good at flying a plane and knows the insides and out of the aircraft. In his mind the captain probably thought he is on a one way trip to martyrdom heaven and that he made all the innocent passengers martyrs as well. My thought is that all the (pings) are planted to convince folks that the plane is in the water. The US will never let it out that the plane was taken and will continue to allude to the plane crashed in the Indian Ocean scenario.

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