Elon Musk has just delivered a clarifying statement on X platform, outlining what many suspected.
Ukraine was using Starlink to attack Russia, that was never allowed. Ukraine was authorized to use Starlink to defend itself inside Ukraine and communicate on the front lines of battle. However, Ukraine military leadership weaponized their access to Starlink and began using it as an offensive missile/drone guidance system. That was stopped.
ELON MUSK – “Using Starlink, a civilian commercial service, for offensive drone strikes to kill people has never been allowed, nor should it be.
Starshield, a different system, is controlled by the US government. What they decide to do is up to them.
Ukraine military violated Starlink terms of service and used it for offensive drone strikes to kill people. That loophole was closed last week.
Starlink remains critical to the defense of Ukraine, as it is the only system that cannot be jammed or blown up, at least for now. Were Starlink to be turned off, the Ukrainian front line would collapse immediately. This is NOT a threat, it is simply a statement of fact.
Starlink was also crucial to preventing Russia from overrunning Ukraine in the early days of the war, as all other means of communication were destroyed or jammed by Russia.
SpaceX has done more to defend Ukraine than any private company on Earth BY FAR.
That said, I have nothing but UTTER CONTEMPT for the virtue-signaling evil warmongers who push for endless slaughter and offer no realistic solution to the conflict. May you burn in hell.
End of story.” {Source}
This is exactly what many suspected. For the past two weeks Volodymyr Zelenskyy has been obfuscating what Ukraine was doing, while U.S. members of Congress were conflating the difference between Starlink and Starshield.
Ukraine was never permitted to use Starlink as an offensive weapon outside its borders. Zelenskyy and his military were purposefully violating the terms of use for Starlink systems by weaponizing it.
The U.S. government under Biden and Trump would not authorize the use of Starshield for Ukraine’s use because that would be akin to the United States military guiding missiles and drones into a nuclear armed power, Russia.
It will be interesting to see how Zelenskyy and congress respond to this statement by Elon Musk.
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So Elon is part of the problem if cessation of carnage is goal.
Uh….no.
There are some people that just want to virtue signal and saying “he’s a bad Man”(as the Left has done to Pres. Trum and by extension to US) instead of seeing things for what they are.
That said Musk is not a perfect man, and he’ll do things we question, but in this case the answer is simple.
It’s akin to in the 1980’s buying a Shotgun at Sears or Walmart and using it ot harm someone deliberately, instead of blaming the act of Evil on the Individual who did Evil, the Left and the Warmonger crowd want to say it’s the Store that should have read the Evil Doer’s Mind.
Ending the war is the goal. As Elon said, no Starlink and Russia rolls through and wins. I imagine there are Ukrainians that don’t want that outcome.
It’s truly the goal to end the war and it is stunning that most commenters completely ignore the simple solution: the end of the war would come if and when Russia leaves Ukraine. All the commentary here and elsewhere is about what a smaller country is doing to try to defend itself from a nuclear power that invaded it. Yes, Ukraine should enlist the aid of Western countries to help it. Any reasonable person would ask for help. It makes total sense but yet over and over the memory of who invaded who is being forgotten and the country who is fighting to survive is viewed as the aggressor ?
Go read up on The Minsk accords and get back with us…🤔
That option has expired. Russia is not leaving any liberated territories.
That comment ignores all the history from 2014.
A reasonable person would find the origins of the troubles of Ukraine and they would find the Ukraine nazis leftovers from WW2, who were attacking the Eastern Ukraine Ethnic Russians, ethnic cleansing , were the cause of the troubles.
They entirely forget who started this war. Ukrainian Nazi burned Russian speaking Ukrainian alive. These Nazis belong in Hell. And Elon knows it.
Yes.
That is all Putin’s version of what happened. To learn the truth, here is what really happened: https://bitterwinter.org/donbass-did-ukraine-kill-14000-pro-russians/
Please keep in mind that Putin’s propaganda is very effective and has twisted what happened to lead to all this in order to sway minds his way.
Yes.
Do you have any idea how ridiculous you’re post is, actually beyond ridiculous.
Are you trying to convince people what you are saying is true. I think it’s more than likely you are an immature child just trying to be FUNNY!
Negative. I keep reading comments here that are untrue and see that they reflect the intense effort that Russia has made to solidify their narrative within the minds of the West. To understand why, one only has to read Putin’s white paper that he published describing his views of what and who Ukrainians are – essentially stating that Ukraine should not exist. That is the underlying issue here. The more he succeeds in convincing the West that he is right the greater is the chance that Ukrainians will be genocided by Russia again just as they were under Stalin when he makes his move and no one will care.
must be a bot?
Never mind the fact Russia attacked in an effort to save the people in the Donbas region from slaughter by a US sponsored assignation squad..
I’m sorry, you must have mistaken this for Bluesky.
“Windemere Salunus” – is that where you are or wish you were? Either way it is California and probably explains your posting. Personally, I prefer the shut it all down and let Russia have as much of the country as they desire. Also prefer that they capture the Ukrainian leadership alive, let us audit the books and then turn the bastards over to the United states for prosecution for mismanaging , stealing and bribery of US AND OTHER WORLD LEADERS!
This is usually a very reasonable and open site for intelligent discussion. I am not a bot, just someone with family in Ukraine and have deep concerns over their future. My points typically include websites where information can be found to support my statements of fact. In order to learn more, I was hoping for intelligent discussion because I am curious why this animosity seems to exist against Ukraine since my view seems to be different to those here. Apparently, this may not be possible here.
It’s not as simple as just as that.
That’s as silly as Kamala saying a big country invaded a little country.
Many of those borders weee expanded or shrunk after WW2.
Some of those countries never existed.
I have a few friends that are electricians here, they told me that everyone on those areas all speak Russian.
What about NATO and those secret biolabs on Russia’s doorstep?
Give Ukraine nothing.
Just stop.
If you really want to go there – one could say yes. If he would just SHUTDOWN the Starlink service to Ukraine, the war would be over within a week and countless lives would be saved in the long run…
Hanuman October 24, 2026 4:41 pm in Reply to Sundance said:
. . . . . “So Elon is part of the problem if cessation of carnage is goal.”
Can we get the general location (hemisphere, continent, country e.g. Chyna, Russia, India, etc.) of posters posted – like X did for awhile?
Ever heard the saying “no good deed goes unpunished?” Musk was trying to do a good deed. Zelenskyy & Company want the war to keep going so the money keeps flowing…to them.
I’m sure we’re all shocked; the real story is what’s to be done about leftist fake news media outlets undermining the duly elected President of The United States – it’s well past time to hold the lying bastards accountable.
👍
The leftist propaganda mouthpieces need to be indicted right along with the corrupt politicians and fraudsters – MAKE IT HAPPEN NOW GET OUT AND VOTE.
Waiting on comments from Cornyn and his besties Tillis and Dick Bloomer since they have such valued opinions on how a private company should operate
I wonder if there is any truth to this tweet… apparently, Ukraine HACKED Starlink to trick it into allowing the drones to work with the terminals over the speed limit or something….
this was discussed in yesterdays thread. They hacked the motherboards.
Cokehead Z man doesn’t appreciate a G damn thing. Lied and spit in Elon’s face while Elon was saving his corrupt ass. Steals money from taxpayers and kicks back bribes to Our treasonous uniparty congress.
The cokehead needs to be eliminated for the good of mankind. Congress members taking bribes need to be tried and imprisoned.
There are some of us that would appreciate it if you would refrain from using the Lord’s name in vain.
Thank you.
Was going to say the same thing.
I prefer the sh*t word instead. GD is offensive. As Ms Lucianne used to say; “this is. Salon, not a saloon.” I understand the frustration, however. Senseless deaths on both sides created by our own spooks and politicians.
Crass language for a “sunshine” person.
Dear Lord. Please provide for us better and tougher allies that dont have the priority of regulating language. we need need fighters that are mot offended by words, but willing to get their hands dirty in this fight for survival.
thank you!
…and yet Zelensky still gets billions of dollars, weapons and satellite targeting from the United States?
“The cokehead needs to be eliminated for the good of mankind.”
It would be orders of magnitude more effective to first go after those that placed the little cokehead in power. If identifying and exposing those individuals requires making the little cokehead rather uncomfortable, then so be it.
You don’t have to look too far. (hint: Victoria Nuland).
Tried, and if found guilty, they deserve a more severe penalty than imprisonment.
Crimes against humanity call for the most severe penalty, as does treason.
re: “They hacked the motherboards.”
Really? You know this how?
Maybe, just MAYBE they (Ukraine tech teams) intercepted the _equivalent_ of the serial NMEA 0183 spec ‘data stream’ and substituted (using a Raspberry Pi or other simple serial device) their DESIRED ‘ground speed’ in that data stream INSTEAD OF the actual derived ground speed developed by the ON-BOARD-THE-DRONE-PLATFORM GPS receiver … YA THINK MAYBE THAT’S WHAT THEY DID Willis?
People are SO TECH LIMITED in their knowledge today, and ‘nooze sources’ don’t understand at even a BASIC level how things work.
“They hacked the motherboards” may not be 100% accurate. I can’t say for sure because I’m one of those “people” who you believe “are SO TECH LIMITED in their knowledge today, and (…) don’t understand at even a BASIC level how things work.”
Still, your entire paragraph of technological jargon seems far from being a BASIC level how things work. Therefore, I think I can honestly say I do have the ability to recognize a legend in his own mind who likes to bully others by trying to cut them down in order to make himself feel smarter and more important than he really is.
By the way, the entirety of your paragraph certainly falls under a definition of hacking; so Mount Vernon Man is not completely wrong.
The story about Ukraine hacking might not be entirely factual.
https://share.google/aimode/MZqPVnN9rsd9MUKt1
Then again, the WSJ and of all things the Kyiv Post (or any Ukrainian source) are extremely suspect…especially since they are lying about the Starshield network – which they have NOT had access to.
The FACT remains that Ukraine used the Starlink service illegally (i.e. against the TOS) to control weapons in Russian air space.
There is another possibility:
European countries who have military-grade StarShield gave access to Ukraine.
How would the Mexican cartels have access to military training of attack drones?
Do a search within @Sundance for the latest articles:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/?s=Zelenskyy+Netherlands
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/mexico-drug-cartels-ukraine-b3063957.html
Search also King Charles and Zelenskyy
Mainstream defense journalists and the WSJ? LOL.
This left the realm of “unverified technical speculation” when it was confirmed by the creator and owner of Starlink, Elon Musk.
When did we start believing any “reports” from the MSM?
And that “fact check” is also questionable since Ukraine does NOT have access to Starshield. They are using Starlink which is not allowed to be used for war purposes.
Ooh I like his last paragraph blasting the warmongers. Needs to be said!
Are we sure they’re not usung StarShield?
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/10/24/world/europe/ukraine-starshield-drone-speed.html
Assume the NY Times is lying. It’s much easier to get to the truth if you start there.
This three-some of Ukraine, Norway, and Finland is making me very suspicious.
Sundance just reported on this. They were all in groveling mode.
I am waiting to see if good ‘ole King Chuck isn’t right in the middle of it.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/?s=Norway+finland
https://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/v-oslo-prezident-ukrayini-proviv-zustrichi-z-premyer-ministr-106981
Why would KC give Z numerous invitations?
Carney is prolly the go-between now for KC and all Z because too many visits already.
I realize this next link is p0litic0 but study the timing of the visits. Does Z have to go back and get more of his marching orders?
Just where has our >~$200-billion gone to and for?
We need an audit of the Ukrainian dollars–now!
https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-rolls-out-king-charles-welcome-zelenskyy-after-trump-rift/
I wish Elon would just be more direct. I’d like to know what he really thinks of the warmongers.
Well he could have said FA FO. HA HA
That Little lying Nazi is getting hit from all sides by Trump’s people.
Lindsay Graham found out.
Yes and we may never know the truth on that.
I wonder if the Starshield usage had anything to do with Mr Graham’s visit to Ukraine? It seems timely that all this came out afterwards.
I don’t have any use for electric cars, but I do like Elon.
Same.
That said, I think the ‘jump jet’ system (the car can’t sustain flight… it jumps then falls with style) could have immense value as a safety system in automobiles.
If it can accelerate a car from 0-60mph in 0.83s… it can stop one that quick too… which works out to about 35 feet of ground covered. Tie that into some motion detectors and the amount of lives it could save might exceed airbags and seatbelts. Similarly, a one-shot corrective righting and slow land of a vehicle that falls of a precipice is a rarer situation, but amazing to consider that such a thing could become survivable with little to no injury.
We only have the prospect of that because of all the research that went into SpaceX putting things into space. It’s pretty amazing.
I have always thought a flying car would be the future but not way up in the air. Instead the car would float above the ground.
Imagine then, no tires needed, road conditions wouldn’t matter, and spending billions on roads would be a thing of the past.
I hope this car is a step in that direction though I could do without the 0-60 part. That’s hard on the human body.
John: I thought the same then realized that plenty of people can’t drive with roads and lines and traffic signs and signals.
Mrs BNG would be the equivalent of the Death Star in something you describe. Lol
Flying cars – a la Jetsons cartoons (1960s) or as imagined in the 5th Element movie (1997) – MUST be subject to a sophisticated air traffic control network and fail-safe collision avoidance technology.
The idiots driving today’s vehicles on the ground can’t even avoid smacking into each other despite elaborate traffic control aids on all but the most rural roadways. Put today’s distracted mental morons in control of flying cars with the ability to fly in any direction in all 3 planes and it will be total carnage since air collisions are generally fatal.
I truly believe there will be flying cars/drone taxis in the near future, and they will all be linked and ‘controlled’ by starlink networks owned…again… by Elon Musk.
What a great time to be alive!
The car I’m building as my daily driver is 91 years old and will not annoy me all the beeping an bitching compared to mamma’s brand new touch screen monstrosity!
So it’s a 1935 ______ ?
Olds F-35.
4 door all suicide doors.
Was my late uncle’s last hotrod but he went blind in his mid 80’s and couldn’t finish it.
Like this
I would have to go back and look it up to make sure, but if I am remembering correctly, the high-speed rail in Japan levitates.
The new one does but it’s not in widespread use yet.
I for one do not want to be the vehicle following it on a highway when it does that. But I really enjoyed the show. I am too old to see where it will go, however I am in awe of where America can go with the right leadership.
Not a 75 year old golfer?
I thought the same….until I drove a Tesla. By far the greatest car on the road and I will forever drive one. . Just my opinion.
I like the car.
I do not like a rolling computer that wants to think for me and record every thing I do and say.
Would it be racist , to say he’s my favorite African American 🤔
Any punishment for misuse and violations? Is Ukraine paying for use at all? Source of funds?
Probably our $$$!
It seems the confusion is ongoing.
“SpaceX CEO Elon Musk said the company restricted Ukraine’s access to its high-speed technology because Kyiv violated Starlink’s terms of service.
Ukraine’s Defense Ministry said Starlink and Starshield connectivity is again restored on equipment moving above 400 km/h (249 mph).“
https://www.cnbc.com/2026/10/24/ukraine-starlink-starshield-service-restored.html
The confusion is ongoing because you can never be told the truth!
Epoch Times is reporting the same which is surprising to me. Much contradiction.
Look at your source CNBC and Ukraine …..nuff said, they want to conflate and confuse on the issue. If the Russians begin to suspect that Ukraine has access to StarSheild it might lead to escalation which is what the idiotic media, EU and globalists all seem to want.
Looks like that’s a possibility. I just did a search and this news article popped up.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/technology/tech-companies/ukraine-says-starshield-back-to-normal-musk-says-kyiv-violated-terms/ar-AA2g03SP
Just remember, when Little z and/or the Ukraine gov’t opens their mouths they are lying.
John 8: 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Not going to pretend not to notice that you don’t make a oopsie “loophole” like that by accident. (din du nuffins). But it’s a fake war so I’m not surprised.
Stay away from the msm aka fake news and clear your mind.
Elon is telling John Cornyn and Amy Klobuchar to go burn in hell, which they rightly deserve.
And the EU toads.
We sure that Z hasn’t been given access to Starshield by his friends like Vicky Nuland and her fellow travelers?
I 100% agree with Elon’s sentiment and statement. May they all, indeed, burn in Hell.
From Elon: “Final Notice. You subscription is about to be cancelled. Tread lightly and wisely.”
End of Story.
He certainly didn’t mince words.
Sorry, but the credibility stinks for many of the news “sources” that will be reporting on the Starlink/Starshield situation will intentionally confuse the 2 names to encourage further confusion by readers. They also love to talk endlessly about what other media personalities are reporting, especially if it is slightly different.
I stand with Elon Musk.
The way i read this….If Elon hadn’t provided starlink, the war would be long over. … everyone would have been able to move on and build lives again.
People replying to Elon saying he is lying about his own technology and doesn’t know anything is like Hannity interrupting Trump constantly in an interview with, “but my sources tell me……”
Nobody noticed what it was used for??
”Were Starlink to be turned off, the Ukrainian front line would collapse immediately. This is NOT a threat, it is simply a statement of fact.”
All the tech support the 350 billion from the USA,340 billion from the EU,the 24/7 surveillance flights collecting data on Russian military activity and targeting them,
Endless posts about wanting to end the war, ”to stop the killing,” sending presidential emissaries to talk with the Russians etc.
It’s impossible to take ”stop the war” seriously because all you have to do is stop the surveillance and targeting and shut off Starlink.
Since the USA hasn’t done that, the war goes on to the last Ukrainian.
Slow down there please.
Yes the USA is doing sigint and surveillance flights observing the hostilities in Ukraine. The surveillance by the USA and other nations can be verified. Whether that surveillance by US military systems is shared with Ukraine or used for targeting is something that cannot be verified.
Every military that can is watching that and any other conflict going on in the world…..this is normal and goes on all the time.
The president says we share some intelligence with Ukraine and going by the Ukrainians fussing about no warning on incoming Russian ballistic missiles recently…..it sounds like (qualifying statement there please heed) sounds like most of our sharing is defensive in nature.
The point is you and I cannot verify what is being shared.
Well said. Me, too.
it is not a question of if, but when. whatever power you give to government will be abused. and at some point it will be abused against you. power attracts abusers. it will always be thus.
The West has become ”concerned”about the casualties because they are out of replacements; all the current talk about conscription in the UK and EU is because of that fact.
Ukraine is the best mercenary army the West has ever had
In this in-depth discussion, Alexander Grable presents the findings from his paper Irretrievable Losses: Estimating Casualties on the Russo-Ukraine War, published by the Finnish National Defense University. Drawing on confirmed official data — including body exchanges, amputee figures, and cross-checked registries — he challenges the widespread claim that Russian casualties substantially exceed Ukrainian ones.
The evidence points in the opposite direction: Ukrainian losses are far higher, with a ratio of at least ten times more Ukrainian dead than Russian. Importantly, this ten-times figure represents the lower end of the estimates drawn from confirmed like-for-like data, with some categories (such as amputees) indicating substantially higher multiples.
The conversation examines the reliability of Russian and Ukrainian sources, problems with Western media and military journal reporting, the limitations of the Mediazona project’s “confirmed” figures, ammunition production disparities, and the broader economic and attritional realities of the war.
Thanks Elon and Sundance for clarifying the situation so clearly.
Anyone surprised Ukraine wilfully violated terms of StarLink? I’m not.
Elon should have immediately shut down Starlink when discovering Ukraine had violated its use!