**Bumped By Request**
I have written, deleted, remained quiet and also absorbed frustration likely similar to many of you. Now, perhaps, it is worth presenting the brutal truth of the matter; or, as was said in my family, it’s time to call the baby ugly.
Since the resignation of Joe diGenova as counsel to U.S. Attorney General Todd Blanche there have been many opinions shared. diGenova himself has given statements to some media outlets {NBC, non-paywall}. Other outlets have encapsulated with their customary spin {Citation}, and diGenova has also talked to others we might consider closer allied to a presentation of truth {source}.
As with all matters of significance, there are points missed, context missing, structural understandings that go beyond quick articles or soundbites. This is one of those examples. It’s highly likely the White House and Main Justice had a strong opinion about the pace of the South Florida effort and the lack of substantive action; I mean, aren’t we all? However, the root of the issue is one I am very familiar with, and with that in mind here’s the part that very few really understand.
If I had to give you the cliff notes version it would sound like this: Yes, the slowness is the problem, but the context is not entirely accurate. One of diGenova (and anyone else’s) problems, is that they don’t know the background material well enough. I have personally encountered this so much I no longer get frustrated; it just is what it is.
The investigators, prosecutors, inquisitors et al, spend too much time trying to figure out the storyline, and it is the storyline that is critical. Because, well, in brutal honesty, they don’t know it. They know it in a cursory fashion, at a high level; at a level of political talking points, media hits, clickbait headline discussion; but unfortunately, that’s not good enough for this case.
A granular level working knowledge of the specifics of Spygate and Russiagate are needed. That level of learning, understanding takes up so much time that it becomes almost impossible for them to act decisively and quickly. It is the complexity of the matter that becomes a self-fulfilling defense. Joseph diGenova was/is no exception. This is the central problem with all of these guys; they just don’t know the material well enough.
I’m not making excuses, I’m stating facts. Facts that are based upon my personal experience after almost a decade deep inside this issue.
That’s the cliff notes. If you want the full understanding, keep reading.
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Right about here someone will likely ask, ‘well, why don’t you help them’? I’ll explain that also. It’s more complicated that you might think.
The one thing you must remember about exposing Washington DC corruption with Washington DC people is their primary prism. It took me a while to figure it out, but after a while of seeing the pattern, I realized their outlook is a feature of everyone.
Everyone associated with the system of exposing corruption, soup to nuts – everyone, comes into the matter with this outlook. They are deathly afraid of losing their personal credibility, while simultaneously they demand full credit for any resulting positive public opinion.
They are afraid of the story, but they want credit if it becomes mainstream. Now, think carefully about that for a moment, because it is the one common characteristic amid all of them. I repeat, all of them. No one wants the risk – Everyone wants the credit. This forms the baseline for what I am describing.
Joe diGenova wanted the job; he wanted to investigate Spygate/Russiagate and deliver accountability. However, diGenova was limited in the outset to the information he understood, which to his credit was more than most but still only at a surface level.
There are others like diGenova, and all carry the same challenge inherent within their ability.
What does this look like in real life? Well, when I have a conversation about the storyline of Spygate/Russiagate that originates back in 2015 (note with some small references to the previous 2011 IRS operation), it takes me about three hours to walk through the timeline of activity. If there are questions, that conversation can take another few hours. Let’s put the total at four hours just to be fair.
Four hours. That’s per person.
You start with the 2nd asst to the 1st asst of the primary. That’s 4 hours of explaining. Then you wait until you are given a meeting with the 1st asst of the primary. That’s another 4 hours explaining everything you previously explained. Then you wait again until the 2nd and 1st asst have explained to the primary. Then the initial background vetting takes place, just to make sure the storyline factually makes sense, and ensure you are not nuts. Then you may, maybe not, get to explain it all again to the primary. Another 4 hours, and the primary will have questions. If they don’t have questions, you are pissing in the wind and all effort to this point is time wasted.
Once the primary agrees on the merit of the storyline, then you are tasked to explain it to the designee of the primary who will then go look closer at the information you are citing, just to ensure the evidence of the citation you are referencing is factually accurate. Another four-hour outline and conversation. If that evidence is factually accurate, the designee of the primary then begins the process to capture it, declassify it, make it public, or add it to the list of evidence needed to continue.
If there are any other stakeholders in the process, they too will request the 4-hour explanation of why this matters.
Everything you just read can pertain to one, singular document; one singular point in the storyline. How many weeks just passed?
It took me eight months to convince around a dozen people of the need to review, retrieve, declassify, return and then ultimately release the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI) transcript of testimony from former Intelligence Community Inspector General, Michael Atkinson. No one wants the risk – Everyone wants the credit.
[SIDEBAR: For a case study in ‘No one wants the risk – Everyone wants the credit’ look at John Solomon; who, in my personal opinion, was/is the biggest mistake by President Trump in the effort of transparency in Term-2. Special Govt Employee John Solomon is to White House transparency as Joe diGenova was to Main Justice accountability].
No one knows the granular details. No one fully understands the storyline, the connections, the matrix of names and activities, so nobody really knows where to look. Worse still, no one is willing to say, ‘we don’t know’ – until Tulsi Gabbard. DNI Tulsi Gabbard was the first person in a position of importance who was willing to walk into the situation admitting a lack of knowledge, yet wide open and enthusiastic to understand the specific issues.
No one wants the risk – Everyone wants the credit. This also applies to an odd fear of personal harm (or targeting) from understanding the issues. To me this is like being afraid of mythical dragons. Walk boldly in the light, be right with God and there is no sense of fear. However, I digress.
Please accept this is not me saying I’m the only one who understands the granular details; far from it. There are parts of the storyline I just don’t care about because they seem self-evident. Ex. State Dept officials involved in supporting the targeting of Donald Trump. Of course they did, Hillary Clinton was the Secretary of State and that institution is soup-to-nuts compromised. What’s to prove? What’s the value in exposing their activity? It’s all self-evident.
There are many researchers in a small group on the X platform who have a solid understanding, a granular level understanding, and who can cite chapter and verse of evidence to highlight details in the storyline. I’m sure there are other people on other platforms who can do the same, but not many. The point is not a detail or a series of details; the challenge is the entire storyline of complex details that weave together.
It’s the storyline that makes each point of evidence hold value.
When a prosecutor is building a conspiracy case the storyline is the most critical aspect.
The storyline highlights the motive and intention of each of the participants as they branch off into their specific activity and then return to build upon the sum of the targeting. This is the challenge for anyone who first enters with a willingness to understand.
When it comes to the Office of the President, again no one wants the risk – everyone wants the credit. The concentric circles around the Office of the Presidency are full of lawyers (legal filters), advisors/staff (territorial filters), stakeholders and those who look at everything through the prism of political risk to the office. No one wants the risk – Everyone wants the credit.
Catherine Herridge will not walk into a Trump hotel out of fear for being seen. No one wants the risk – Everyone wants the credit.
Maria Bartiromo. No one wants the risk – Everyone wants the credit.
Bill Alderman. No one wants the risk – Everyone wants the credit.
The need for control is a reaction to fear. No one wants the risk – Everyone wants the credit.
Do you remember when I outlined specifically how President Trump could cut through the fog of obstruction by those who seek control and operate from a position of fear as it pertains to declassifying information? {IMPORTANT REMINDER}
That process of releasing information is as true and effective today as it was when I published it in 2020. However, no one associated with the Office of the President has the guts to stand against the institutional and political fury of that approach. Additionally, everyone associated with the territorial objectives of Washington DC would work to ensure President Trump never took that approach. This is one small example.
Joe diGenova asked for the job with all the best intents and objectives. However, it is also true that a lack of granular understanding of the details led to months and months of time wasted in piecing it together. That delay likely led to Main Justice and White House frustration, which culminated in diGenova’s exit. Two things can be true at the same time.
That’s the cold, ugly reality of the situation as outlined by me, a simple guy, who has tried, failed and in some small measures succeeded in getting information extracted from within a system that both protects itself and is surrounded by those who fear it.
If the South Florida team cannot succeed in organizing a conspiracy case, then my advice or hope is that they take all the evidence to the White House and do what should have been done years ago…..
…. RELEASE IT!
IMPORTANT ADD: I forgot to mention another important part. If investigation reached a point where prosecutors were going to take action against those who engaged in corrupt activity, one of the first things the defense lawyers are going to ask is the source of the information that led to the evidence against their client. The prosecution is then bound to tell the defense (Brady discovery) who may have assisted, how the assistance unfolded, and that would provide a path for the defense to scrutinize any motive.
That requirement places the source of assistance in the spotlight of the defense team. The source may then need to get independent counsel to protect against a very predictable Alinsky effort that will be triggered in order to create maximum discomfort for the prosecution team and the evidence being used. That legal counsel is very expensive ($3k to $10k/hr) just to protect the information provider from the Lawfare defense network.
Understanding this dynamic explains why former and current corrupt FBI, CIA and DOJ officials were leaking information during Spygate/Russiagate to the media; that information then became part of the evidence explanation used by the corrupt prosecutors.
If the DOJ were to use information provided by a bunch of anonymous online X researchers: (a) imagine what the defense would do with that, and (b) imagine what the media allies of the defense would do to expose, isolate, ridicule and marginalize those same X researchers. [See Clancey juror holdout]
Lawfare is not a level field.
In one way it protects the information provider(s) if the DOJ retains primary responsibility to discover the raw evidence on their own. However, there is no guarantee they will find it, and that too is a big delay factor.
Question for SD: It seems, with your vast understanding and knowledge of these issues as well as the records you’ve been keeping for several years now, that you should be a key consultant in the DJT administration. So, if not, why not? I understand this may well be a question you don’t want to answer, but its a valid question and highly likely one hundreds of us here have been wondering about for some time.
Read the article. I answered that question.
Read first?
That’s crazy talk!
It is time consuming and unwieldy.
Most people want sound bites.
Most people are lazy.
apparently most prosecutors are lazy too
Yes. The ability and willingness to THINK is really important. Always.
Risk? Credit? Work? Release Release Release.
True that. Everyone wants easy. That is exactly why this case has not been busted wide open and probably never will be. I’ve tried to enlighten people and their eyes glaze over. Sundance, you are extraordinary and one of a kind.
He gaves us the Cliff notes version. Old timers on this site have read his analysis several times, and it is a lot to digest. One read usually doesn’t suffice.
“It took me eight months to convince around a dozen people of the need to review, retrieve, declassify, return and then ultimately release the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI) transcript of testimony from former Intelligence Community Inspector General, Michael Atkinson.”
So what you are essentially saying is that it wouldn’t matter if you were a key consultant since all the other stakeholders wanting the credit but not the risk will continue slow walking everything because they don’t have the proper knowledge of the storyline to present it legally in court.
If short term memory serves one right.
Wasn’t the release the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI) transcript of testimony from former Intelligence Community Inspector General, Michael Atkinson delayed?
Due to some normally do nothing swamp creature wanting to make the announcement to receive the credit.
Yes, it’s wading into a river pushing the other way. But what about putting it all down in one big, fat binder and floating it down to those who can see it all in one place?
Would it be possible to put that 4hour presentation out on the internet so that others may take the time to understand the scope and minutiae of the whole thing? It might help to bypass some of the gatekeepers. break it up into 4 1 hour parts and release every day or two so you are not asking for a whole 4 hour chunk of time. In tis day and age you could probably get an AI narrator
Could an “AI AG” end all “risk” and bring clarity quickly?
I did, and I remember some months ago when you were meeting with Tulsi (this is when some of the CTH articles were password protected). But now that Tulsi is no longer the DNI, has there been any type of succession planning?
and Xe/Xem got 17 upvotes.
Thank you for sharing your insights into this situation. However, who in the country has the legal chops as well as a deep
Knowledge of the granular details but also wants the job?
Yes. You did.
If you were able to have your four-hour time-slot discussion with Todd Blanche himself, what would that accomplish? Could you give him the overview in that amount of time? The timeline? The conspirators?
If Blanche himself understood, could he make appropriate moves? Or is it all just too complicated?
I feel like someone should get you into a meeting with that guy somehow.
How does one appoint themselves to be a key consultant in any administration?
Well, that’s a silly comment. “One”, upon knowing and interacting with the concentric circles and key individuals, establishes a network (no matter how small and exclusive) and it evolves from there. At least that’s been my experience and is a reasonable expectation.
So those steps haven’t been taken? Or, they have been taken and the reasonable expectation hasn’t evolved?
Back to my original question…………. “. How does one appoint themselves to be a key consultant in any administration?”
You need to marry the boss, and get his down time time.
“If the South Florida team cannot succeed in organizing a conspiracy case, then my advice or hope is that they take all the evidence to the White House and do what should have been done years ago…”
Remember the concentric rings.
He has been there and done that multiple times during the current and previous Trump administrations. His efforts are continuous and extraordinary, but his research receipts and proposed solutions are “too risky” to be accepted by decision makers for all the reasons he described.
AI summary
Here’s the article boiled down into bullet points. I’m summarizing Sundance’s argument, not treating all of its allegations about Spygate/Russiagate as independently established facts.
Joe diGenova’s departure: The article says diGenova resigned from his role advising Attorney General Todd Blanche after frustration developed over the slow pace of the South Florida investigation.
Sundance agrees the investigation has been too slow, but argues the explanation is more complicated than simply incompetence or unwillingness to prosecute.
His central argument: Investigators and prosecutors do not understand the Spygate/Russiagate story in sufficient detail. They may know the broad political story, but not the enormous chronology of people, documents, surveillance activity and institutional connections that Sundance believes must be understood to construct a criminal conspiracy case.
He includes diGenova in that criticism. Sundance says diGenova knew considerably more than most people but still didn’t possess the granular understanding necessary when he began.
That creates a huge time problem. Sundance says explaining the underlying chronology can take him roughly four hours per person. Then assistants, supervisors, prosecutors and other officials separately need explanations and must verify the documents themselves.
His example: Sundance claims it took him eight months to persuade roughly a dozen people to review, retrieve, declassify and ultimately release former Intelligence Community Inspector General Michael Atkinson’s HPSCI testimony.
His recurring theme is: “No one wants the risk – Everyone wants the credit.” He argues Washington officials are highly protective of their reputations and careers: they don’t want to embrace controversial allegations before they’re certain they’ll be vindicated, but they want credit if those allegations eventually become accepted.
He thinks this institutional caution compounds the knowledge problem. People who don’t fully understand the evidence hesitate to act, and bureaucratic/legal layers around DOJ and the White House slow things further.
He singles out Tulsi Gabbard positively because, according to Sundance, she was willing to acknowledge what she didn’t know and learn the detailed history rather than pretend she already understood it.
Why the “storyline” matters: Sundance argues that individual documents aren’t enough. Prosecutors need a coherent chronology showing how the evidence connects, because that is what would potentially establish intent, motive and coordination in a conspiracy prosecution.
His explanation of diGenova’s failure is therefore twofold: diGenova genuinely wanted accountability, but spent months trying to piece together an extraordinarily complicated case. Sundance believes that delay eventually frustrated DOJ and the White House and contributed to his exit.
Sundance’s proposed fallback: If prosecutors cannot assemble a viable conspiracy case, he argues that the government should declassify and publicly release the evidence rather than allowing the investigation to drag indefinitely. The article literally ends with “RELEASE IT!”
The shortest version: Sundance isn’t saying diGenova was secretly protecting anyone. He’s saying diGenova underestimated how complicated the underlying case was, didn’t know the evidence deeply enough when he started, lost months learning it, and Washington’s risk-averse bureaucracy made the problem worse. Eventually, DOJ/White House patience apparently ran out.
[Read the full Conservative Treehouse article](https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2026/09/17/digenovas-pro
And an Ai answer as to why Sundance isn’t a Trump advisor:
Not directly. The article anticipates exactly that question, but Sundance never says, “Trump offered me an advisory job and I declined,” or gives a specific reason why he isn’t formally advising Trump.
What he does say is revealing:
Sundance writes: “Right about here someone will likely ask, ‘well, why don’t you help them’? I’ll explain that also.”
His explanation is essentially that getting information into Trump’s orbit is extremely difficult. He describes layers of assistants, lawyers, advisers and other “filters,” with each person wanting to verify the material before passing it upward.
He says people surrounding the presidency evaluate information partly through political and institutional risk, summarizing his view repeatedly as “No one wants the risk – Everyone wants the credit.”
He claims he has personally tried to get information acted upon inside government and describes himself as someone who has “tried, failed and in some small measures succeeded” in getting information out of the system.
Interestingly, he says Tulsi Gabbard was different: in his account, she was willing to admit what she didn’t know and learn the detailed history. That strongly suggests Sundance has had some level of interaction or information-sharing with people in the current administration, although the article doesn’t spell out his relationship with them.
So the article leaves an obvious unanswered question: If Sundance really possesses the unusually detailed command of the evidence that he claims—and diGenova’s problem was precisely that he didn’t—why isn’t Sundance sitting with the investigative team as a researcher/consultant?
He doesn’t actually answer that question. He explains why transmitting his knowledge through Washington’s bureaucracy is difficult, but doesn’t say whether Trump knows who he is, whether Trump has ever personally met him, or whether Sundance has ever been considered for an official advisory position.
And there’s an interesting comment underneath the article making essentially your point: a reader says the knowledge transfer will only work if Sundance himself does it or trains a team that understands the material as well as he does.
If you want, I can dig into Sundance’s older writings and see whether **he has ever explained why he hasn’t met with Trump or joined the administration.**
Lawfare.
Two things can be true at once? OK then the fact is the informational time line HAS been released by YOU repeatedly! So the question has to be asked why isn’t anyone in a position to do some thing not using it as the template?
Read the article again pls. SD states it plainly. Nobody wants the risk and everyone wants the credit.
I’d add no one wants to work that hard.
They are all Band Wagon politicians.
If you remember the Kevin Kline movie, “Dave,” when the corrupt insider works to sabatogé the fake president. He is surrounded by his supporters. That is until Dave, in his capacity as the fake president, releases all of the documents and evidence showing the corruption of the man bent on Dave’s destruction. The next scene of the corrupt pol is of him alone, abandoned by his “friends.” As SD states, they want credit but no risk.
That is Washington, DC, and all politics in a nutshell.
Bottom line…we’re sunk.
Other option than being sunk is send the men in black suits and white hats and have bad people start dying in accidents.
At some point people will realize that’s the only real option. We’re back to 1775. Either we accept the current situation and a worsening future OR we do something about it now.
People will say God is in control. He is. But we are the tools that get things done on earth. People won’t fight (literally go to war) until things get really bad. Really bad. Until then the frogs will boil to death slowly as the temperature increases.
Massive casualties over time when a few targeted “white hat” operations could have prevented it getting to that point. If I had the skills, opportunity, and a dedicated band of brothers, that would be my mission. 100 “accidents” could change history in a good way.
I can’t agree with you more, John. I said way back that if you take out enough of these pompous POS they will go into hiding and then you move on from there and don’t forget the lying MSM heads. They should be the first to feel the effects of lying through their teeth every freaking day and smiling while they do it. Their power to psyche people out is what is killing this country.
They TRIED to KILL our President TWICE that we know and I’m sure there were plenty more events we don’t know about. And they succeeded in taking out Charlie while aiming their sights on any MAGA person who doesn’t put up with their BS.
If the Patriots of this country know we have a military that supports us and President Trump then let the dirty work begin. Might have to subdue the IC while the filth is removed.
That should have happenend early, maybe we wouldn’t still be dealing witht his mess.
Yes… it is too late now… indictments, arrests should have been happening 600 days ago…
All of this reminds me of the plot in Law Abiding Citizen.
I doubt anyone in DC will want the risk or credit for THAT! They’re all sold out to the ChiComs or DemComs anyway. Just like Congress. Much like Mos Eisley, they represent a “wretched hive of scum and villainy”.
You need information from them.
Agreed.Where is Raymond Reddington when you need him?
Asking for a nation.
Good grief. How about taking a few years off from commenting. You’re all defeatest, all the time.
Could the slow pace be an unintended consequence of having the case in Florida instead of DC? If in DC I’m assuming people can walk to the building(S) that have the documents?
There are also those that think Joe was being pressed for results when the next logical step would be to pursue Obama. Trump’s team did not want the likely political blowback that could energize the democrats right at the election. I happen to agree that it would be a strageic and tactical mistake to pursue Obama or Biden right b4 midterms.
Biden is using stage 4 cancer as an insurance policy. Obama always had his race as an insurance policy.
But it’s ok for the House to have just voted on another impeachment of President Trump. That won’t affect voting Democrats in any way in the midterms.
Living in the sw burbs of Chicagoland, for many a decade…I cannot see any attempt at ‘going after’ Obama, being successful…before midterms or at anyother time in life. ‘The Fix’, long ago was applied and will be so for many more decades. JMO…
Law once activated, like a computer program, must be ran to its completion with a proclaimation of acquittal, guilty or innocent (adjudicated) – regardless the costs. Those purist who happen to be jurist will insist that it should run its course like they did with Russia Russia Russia.
Agree, bad mojo going after O.
Fauci still walks too.
or can it be as simple as joe not wanting to expose his neck by breaking the eggs required for fear of being caught in the retaliatory dragnet once the next election cycles are stolen?
AI could speed this thing up.
good one
Agreed … AI could; do the data mining, provide suggested linkages, link to time, link to people, et al. essentially build the DRAFT storyline, so to say with points of law connected as well.
That still leaves the human elements.
Willingness to take the “Social Risks”.
Time needed to check-verify the AI and comprehend.
Do not discount that AI Tools were not already being used as they currently are used in any major law practice and US Government.
Good suggestion – with effective guidance and patience, AI does offer a reliable time-saving product.
That window is going to be closed if the AI panic manages to convince enough people to entrust the future of AI to a handful of tech bros with government sanction.
Sanctioned AI will never get past the blind spots programmed into it to protect the system if that happens.
That’s the reason the Dems and swamp fear it so much.
As mentioned often, the need for control is a reaction to fear.
The day will be soon where there will be no more fence sitters allowed. One will have to pick sides with the consequences that entails.
Yes-we would get to “Nobody wants the risk and everyone wants the credit” much more quickly.
Get Musk involved!!
Not if AI thinks like a Democrat, then AI will intentionally spin and slowly. Methinks AI just digests Leftist input for its machine learning. Or learing.
So, to summarize the reasons for lack of progress, even by those who claim to be Eager Beavers:
Reason #1: Lack of Storyline Comprehension … that essentially means how the evidence fits together … the legal so what of each point on the time line to build predicates with evidence.
I cannot accept any excuses related to “lack of evidence”, as even Joe DiGenova stated there was enough evidence to prosecute.
Reason #2: No desire to take the risk of becoming a “social outcast” in the pond where they live (DC), if the investigation does not yield something that is overwhelmingly spectacular … due to loss of social standing and the corollary loss of INCOME.
Reason #3: The risk of personal harm at the hands of those being investigated or their confederates.
In DiGenova’s case I do not buy Reason #1 because he and his wife RECOGNIZED that enough evidence exits to prosecute and BUILDING STORY LINES while gathering evidence is PART OF THE JOB. Made easier by the fact story lines exist in the Public domain for them to use as outlines.
I can understand Reason #3 but it is not new risk to experienced prosecutors. They have had to have this mitigated on past efforts.
I will say it plainly … That leaves Reason #2, which means they never ever really meant to do anything because they saw no way around the “Social and Future Business” related Risks.
The risks are massive to anyone working on this case. Seems to me that this is the largest RICO case ever in our history and also THE most complicated. If the group can NOT put the timelines together after having all of this info handed to them, WTH are they doing then?
Unfortunately, this reeks of typical gross government incompetence from a non-functioning doj. Hope I am wrong but I sense a huge nothing-burger being served very rare on a stale, mold-riddled bun.
Doc: Reason #2 isn’t limited to “social risk”. See Rudy and Sidney as but two examples.
That falls under Risk #3.
Reason #1 is primary. If you don’t know the storyline, you don’t know what evidence to look for. If you don’t know what evidence to look for, you don’t know where you should be looking.
This is the main problem.
You cannot question people with specific material insight to frame your questioning, if you don’t have the material. In order to have the material, you have to know what you are looking for. In order to know what to look for, you have to know the storyline.
See how it all connects?
I understand what you stated … yet that does not fully square with the statement by DiGenova, “there was enough evidence to prosecute”. He or they were experienced prosecutors .. building storylines and timelines is PART of the JOB if the evidence exists. then there was all the stuff they spouted on the pod casts, was that just gaslighting for clicks??
Did he even try is my problem on this point and that may also likely be the reason for frustration by the White House and DoJ … unless DoJ just gave Joe and Victoria; desks … titles … offices … a pay check … and nothing more.
Clinesmith was indicted. How is it possible that they can’t find anyone in this mess who has committed an obvious crime?
Joe should have been reading CTH for the last 6 years, as most of us have!! Even though I read every article, without the background, and understanding the minute details of how the government and other processes work, it’s sometimes difficult to keep up.
Without guidance from Sundance’s astute and learned background and writing, I would be hopelessly lost.
Thank you, Sundance!
Don’t they already have the storyline? A piece of Hillary campaign Opposition Research became the basis for a false accusation of Donald Trump receiving help from Vladimir Putin to get elected President. The Opposition Research was the Steele Dossier. The false accusation of Trump getting elected with the help of the Head of State of a foreign power would provide Hillary Clinton with a pretext to take legal action to challenge the results of the 2016 election if she should lose it. The IC appropriated the thing to charge Trump with the crime of espionage, or a related crime, and either block him from office by turning voters away from voting for Trump, or get him removed after he is elected. Lots of evidence, including documents, witnesses, subjects and targets for the grand jury come to mind.
Just disregard this or get rid of it.
Logistically, the complexity and the nuance of presenting the criminal conspiracy, the bad actors involved-each with their own amount of time to present witness testimony, cross examination, record preservation coupled with time out for bench only hearings, (special jury instructions) lunch and dinner breaks, time lapses for trial, is there a jury capable of understanding and appropriately making findings of fact?
An investigation starts with enough information to provide a REASONABLE SUSPICION A CRIME WAS COMMITTED. If you have reasonable suspicion, you have some evidence in hand already. The next rung up the ladder is probable cause. They already have that with the revelation that John Brennan told Obama and his inner circle along with the IC about Hillary’s plan to discredit Trump through getting the Fusion GPS dossier and using it against Trump. Brennan and the FBI used the dossier to get a FISA warrant on Carter Page, who was the ORIGINAL PREDICATE for opening CROSSFIRE HURRICANE as leaked to the New York Times, probably by Comey. It was always Carter Page. Since the FBI used the Dossier, and it came out that Hillary paid for the Dossier’s production, and Page was in the Dossier, the FBI had no choice but leak a SECOND PREDICATE for Crossfire Hurricane which became the George Papadopoulos legend. The same Times writers wrote both the Page and Papadopoulos reports, based on FBI leaks. Comey frequently used the Times for leaks like those.
Oddly, this implicates both the FBI and the Times as playing roles in this “thing.” With Brennan pushing the thing, even though Tulsi Gabbard’s information tells us Brennan knew the story about Trump-Russia was fake, he is also involved. You avoid getting bogged down in the thing by going down rabbit holes. Stick to Brennan, all the people at the Obama White House meeting, Comey and FBI Counterintelligence and don’t get bogged down descending down rabbit holes. Get the first indictment and see what happens.
You build “storyline” by following evidence. You don’t make a story and try find evidence to prove it, or make it look plausible.
Release it is exactly right. Too many people want accountability when exposure of the issues/problems should be the primary objective. The people can’t fix the corruption they don’t know about, and the people demanding things be fixed is the only thing that will spur the powers that be to actually do it. If fear of the people is restored to government many things can be fixed quickly. The fixes are not that difficult, what is missing is the will to implement the fixes.
Due to the length of time, at least 15 years at this point, it just appears to the general public as being political mud slinging. To accurately portray the kenyan’s criminality would require the MSM to be on board with it. Zero chance of that since the MSM were complicit in his criminality themselves
MSM enthusiasm is the main reason they got Nixon.
Sounds like the right material for an October Surprise. Declassify everything and let the chips fall.
Fulton Sheen said there are three kinds of pride. Pride of what you have. Pride of what you do. And pride of what you know.
People are afraid of losing what they have(material things) who they are(status) and what they know(will be called a kook- conspiracy theorist).
Jesus emptied himself of all pride; He was beaten, mocked and hung on a tree.
I guess the question is what price for truth?
Jesus had no pride to empty Himself of. Everything He did, and everything He went through, was for you and me because it was the will of His Father.
Yes, you are right. Sheen said he conquered the three kinds of pride. He died humble, naked and poor, as he was born.
@Sundance – Maybe I’m just naive, and I’m obviously not privy to the way DC works, but why not record one (or many more) of these multi-hour sessions and post them to youtube, or some other platform that wouldn’t immediately censor/block it? With said naivety aside, it sounds like a reasonable and workable plan, to this layman. Even highly redacted documents, with carefully worded details c/would have some sort of impact once in the public eye, right? Surely there’s some way around the data classification road-blocks.
Cain’t hide under a spotlight!
🐁 🔦
They don’t have to hide… They have a “Get out of jail FREE!” card…
I say release it too.
Let the cards fall where they may and let the president take the credit, he has already taken enough risks.
Flip the tables, go on the offence and have the media and the left start having to play defense.
Tend to agree. Now that the kenyan is out in a very public and illegal manner attempting to destroy America, as he has been since he was first created/appointed, seems to be an ideal time to fully expose his blanton criminality
Amen. Release it and let the individuals who already know all the details put it together for the public and 1 or 2 prosecutors that might actually want to take the temple down.
Here’s how Grok summarizes it:
“**According to Conservativetreehouse.com (The Last Refuge / Sundance), the targeting of Donald Trump involved two related but distinct tracks under the Obama administration and holdover elements in the FBI, CIA, and broader intelligence community: earlier political surveillance (“Spygate”) using the NSA database, and the later Russia-collusion narrative (“Russiagate”/Crossfire Hurricane) that served as both cover and continuation.**
Spygate: Political surveillance via NSA database (mid-2012 to ~April 2016)
CTH describes an evolution from earlier IRS targeting of political opponents (e.g., Tea Party) under Obama/Holder into systematic exploitation of the NSA’s vast metadata database. FBI contractors (and possibly others) conducted large numbers of FISA-702 “about” and related queries on U.S. persons. A FISC opinion by Judge Rosemary Collyer (detailing a compliance review of Nov. 2015–April/May 2016 activity) is central to their account: roughly 85% of reviewed queries were non-compliant/unlawful, many reused the same identifiers across date ranges (indicating ongoing monitoring of specific targets), and raw results were exported/shared without proper minimization. The problems were not limited to that window and appeared to date back to around 2012.
NSA Director Adm. Mike Rogers was alerted, ordered an audit around March 9, 2016, restricted “about” queries, and cut off contractor access around April 18, 2016. CTH portrays this as political spying on opposition figures, including 2016 GOP candidates/Trump orbit, with intelligence allegedly funneled in ways that benefited the Clinton campaign. Key figures tied to the broader environment include CIA Director John Brennan, FBI Director James Comey, ODNI James Clapper, and others; efforts to sideline Rogers are also noted. The surveillance itself is framed as largely outside formal FISA targeting authority—simply unauthorized use of the existing database—later discovered and reported through FISA Court processes.
Transition and cover: Post-March/April 2016
Once the NSA compliance issues surfaced, the prior surveillance risked exposure. CTH argues everything after roughly March 9, 2016, shifted toward creating *ex post facto* justification and a cover story. Fusion GPS opposition research (initially Republican-funded, then Clinton/DNC-linked) and the Steele dossier enter the picture. The official FBI Crossfire Hurricane investigation opened July 31, 2016 (focusing on Carter Page, George Papadopoulos, Paul Manafort, and Michael Flynn), predicated in part on information routed through Australian contacts and other channels. CTH maintains the intelligence community already had extensive prior visibility into the Trump campaign via the database exploitation.
A Carter Page FISA warrant (October 2016) is described as a key merger point that retroactively helped legalize broader monitoring. The Steele dossier and related material are treated as laundered or unreliable product used to support the narrative.
Russiagate and post-election escalation
After Trump’s unexpected win, CTH (drawing on later declassified material highlighted by DNI Tulsi Gabbard) describes a concerted effort to manufacture and politicize an Intelligence Community Assessment (ICA) blaming Russia for election interference. Key timeline points they emphasize:
– Pre-election IC assessments generally held that Russia was not using cyber means to influence the outcome.
– December 9, 2016: Obama White House/National Security Council principals meeting (Clapper, Brennan, Susan Rice, John Kerry, Loretta Lynch, Andrew McCabe, and others).
– Tasking for a new assessment “per the President’s request.”
– Leaks to media and the January 2017 ICA that contradicted earlier assessments, incorporating material later viewed as manufactured or non-credible (including Steele dossier elements).
Susan Rice’s January 2017 memo and related notifications are presented as efforts at plausible deniability. The ICA is said to have underpinned the Mueller special counsel investigation (an extension of Crossfire Hurricane), which CTH frames as a mechanism to impede Trump’s agenda, protect prior operations (including aspects of the Iran deal), and sustain pressure through investigations, leaks, and lawfare. Holdover/remnant personnel in the FBI, CIA, DOJ-NSD, and related entities are described as continuing the effort.
Overall framing on the site
CTH separates the illegal database surveillance (Spygate—document trail via FISC opinion, NSA audit logs preserved by Rogers, contractor activity) from the Clinton-originated Russia collusion smear that the FBI/DOJ/CIA gave institutional credibility (Russiagate). Obama is portrayed as facilitating rather than solely inventing the Russia narrative (by not stopping administration officials assisting Clinton interests), while green-lighting or directing the post-election intelligence product to constrain the incoming administration. The result is described as a multi-year targeting operation involving intelligence, law enforcement, and later special-counsel/lawfare elements, with remnants persisting beyond the Obama years. Later CTH posts reference ongoing Florida grand-jury activity, subpoenas (e.g., involving Brennan and Comey), and calls for further declassification of the unredacted Collyer opinion and NSA logs as the clearest path to accountability.
This is a summary of the narrative and evidence claims as presented across Conservativetreehouse.com articles (particularly those by Sundance analyzing FISC material, timelines, Gabbard releases, and related documents). The site treats these as established through primary records rather than theory, while mainstream accounts and prior official reviews (Durham, etc.) have focused more narrowly or reached different conclusions on intent and scope.”
Grok was essentially useless here. Their last sentence bringing the fake media and Durham reviews into it shows the leftist bias even of Grok. This was about CTH, not what the media or officials think in comparison.
Grok should put up or shut up if they can’t refute the facts presented by Sundance, which they obviously didn’t here.
Of course they were going to add language trying to minimize the import of CTH material, but for those with a short attention span it’s actually not a bad summary.
Which is why AI is ultimately useless as it pulls from Reddit, WaPo, NYT (all the propaganda souces) as well as denial statements by the conspirators. AI/Grok/whatever is not worth your troubles. It is absolutely artificial and absolutely NOT intelligent.
All of them (AI) lie; some more than others. If you have factual information- you can get beyond its limitations (programming).
Its strength is in the efficiency (speed) of synthesizing from voluminous data sets.
In this case, there is law, facts, and evidence.
Yep. All AI does is regurgitate liberal sources, which are written by liberal minds, and is willing to lie. Can’t figure out why people trust it. Do you trust a liar? If not, why trust what AI tells you? It has been proven to make stuff up out of thin air!
It’s a multi-step process. AI results need to be repeatedly challenged with the same facts, corrected, and re-checked for accuracy.
It’s not perfect- and will fabricate- lie – until confronted with facts.
can AI take the facts and come up with a list of names of guilty parties? They will never be tried, but ….
God richly bless you for having the diligence and patience to try! Thank you!
A reasonable starting point would be the Durham Special Counsel Investigation. Use his investigators and prosecutors. Durham uncovered and documented a tremendous amount of FBI misconduct which he ignored and was evident in Durham’s embarrassing Congressional testimony.
Victoria Spartz points out, line by line, the FBI misconduct in the Mueller-Russian hoax investigation. Durham was completely destroyed and humiliated by his DOCUMENTED failures to punish FBI crimes and misconduct.
That would not matter.
Years ago, I worked a health care fraud investigation for billing services never performed. It went to federal grand jury, 50+ witnesses. Only about half a million in federal funds involved, a lot more private sector. The most damning part was that, when the medical records were originally requested for federal review, the provider copied the records of one person and just changed dates and names on the other versions (about 100 charts were submitted). Identical errors and a random ink mark were in every patient “chart”. No other records existed when a search warrant was executed. I had multiple depositions from patients stating they never got the billed medical services.
The grand jury indicted. The prosecutor dithered because the provider was high up in a religious institution and connected with local politicians. The case ended there.
I am still friends with the agent who brought the case. He told me later it was the most solid case he ever had. And it was really pretty simple to explain.
SD has invested years on this. Believe him.
I don’t know what you’re talking about.
Durham uncovered massive FBI and Prosecutorial misconduct. It’s documented in Durham’s own embarrassing report. Spartz walks through it in her questioning of Durham.
If diGenova wanted a good place to start it would be reading the Durham Special Counsel Investigation Report and then target the FBI misconduct! 🙄
Americans have a centuries old tradition of taking matters into their own hands. It happens again and again for the same reason.
I don’t disagree with SD one iota! His experience and detail are in a class of their own. Nobody’s perspectives or outline compare! That being said I am curious if there are not another three parts to the equation? Subjective as they may be but is Wiles, Bondi and Blanche not factors in these results? I know that is speculative and I am not missing the point on educating the customer, a.k.a the folks placed to do something about it and relative time of educating, but something just doesn’t sit right when it comes to Joe. Unless his persona all these years of a fighter and not a quitter was part of the schtick.
Anyway great job SD and thanks for your patience and fortitude in the pursuit of the American way!
Joe is old and bit off more than he could chew. Wiles, Bondi and Blanche are part of the concentric rings.
The question is–Was diGenova slow walking the investigation or bogged down by following every little bit they would uncover? We’re getting so close to the MidTerms and the end of the Administration just afterward. Slow walking is, itself, a reasonable suspicion.
thanks to you Sundance i knew some of the info you outlined here but not all cant thank you enough for taking the time to put this in terms even this old commercial fisherman can understand be well stay strong and God Bless you and yours
R.D.
Since it is impossible for any prosecutor to litigate this case, releasing the documents that Sundance linked and posted & we read in 2020 would be the only solution.
I worked on mega cases in mega firms and none of them compare to the storyline of this based scenario. One mega case took 2.5-3 yrs from discovery to trial and the FBI took the criminal case to trial afterwards and lots of people went to jail, including an attorney. That case had many spin off cases. Botton line: this case will never be finished before the end of term-2 or ever, imo. People will die off or pull the Mueller-dementia ploy.
Sundance’s suggestion which we read in 2020 is the only solution. Public exposure and disclosure and simultaneously get the record straight historically.
RELEASE THE KRAKEN!
Nobody wants the risk of what exactly? Death?
The risk is obvious!
The unpopular war with Iran, high oil and gas prices along with rising interest rates means Republican chances of winning in November and in 2028 are substantially lower than they were in February.
Every one in Washington DC knows that if the Democrats win in 2028 President Trump will be indicted and convicted of multiple crimes by the DOJ and several states like New York, Minnesota and Illinois. He’ll be sitting in courtrooms all over the country. Along with President Trump you can expect indictments against…
Kash Patel
Pete Hegseth
Kristi Noem
BP Chief Bovino
Ed Martin
Elon Musk
A few hundred ICE Agents
You can add to the list!
Real Conservative voters aren’t changing their values over Globalists BS… and high prices at the pump. The BS you typed already happened… and guess who is running our Country now? DJT
If you say so? 🙄
Credibility. In the swamp it is currency.
Financial bankruptcy. Prison. Family members drug through the dirt. Career ruined. Death. But some things are worse than death because you have to live (suffer) through them.
It is hard to win in front of a jury even an open and shut case let alone something as complicated as Spygate and Russiagate. See the recent case of the monster that killed her three babies. And only 1 person could cut through the BS of the defense.
They have about 100+ years and $40T head start on us. It is huge and unmanageable on purpose.
Maybe the solution is AI? Feed the information in and let AI do the work.
And maybe, this is why the sudden call for AI to be controlled?
Good point
The layers of inbred alphabet agency corruption, impenetrable silos, paid off politicians, immoral media spin-masters and a lemmings educated society thwarts most genuine-intended Justice-Seekers. It will take a collective Herculean effort to successfully prosecute this rabbit holes mess coupled with Divine Intervention!
“Four hours. That’s per person.”
Is there any way of getting economy of scale and / or removing roadblocks?
“No one wants the risk – Everyone wants the credit.”
Is there any subpopulation — at all — to choose from, that is smart, aggressive, motivated, qualified, presentable, and doesn’t have the risk / credit problem? (Sundance’s examples make me wonder if the rich and famous are maybe not the right place to look.)
I want to puke at the career Professionals engaged in getting the job DONE.
These f=ing idiots can’t get beyond their own expertise to get to the root of this.
Sucks hard knowing how f=ing well Lawfare knows this.
Touche F=er’s.
RELEASE IT ALL AND GIVE IT TO US, THE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!
I’m sorry, but I am now incensed over the absolute self preservation, instead of justice.
Shame……………..shame………….shame.
Who was Jospeh Mifsud?
Whatever happened to James Wolfe and where is he now?
EZ Street.
Why has no one even attempted to investigate and interview him? Where is Nick Shirley? Certainly he would make an attempt? Just wondering?
Why was Mifsud totally left out of the IG timeline? He seemed to be the progenitor of it all, and then disappeared, even reported dead, declared a person of no interest sowhy would you even ask sort of person.
Yet he seemed key to the very first stages. Then he later -reappeared and got shunted into the nothingness file.
Agree…when I go back to my saved info from 2015 and afterward is mind boggling. Trying to piece all the threads together becomes almost unreal .
I would never be able to keep up without Sundance.
Thank God for him.
It will come out , someday.
But will it matter ?
Only within the last couple of years has the evidence of the Russia-Collusioning done deliberately to President Nixon become somewhat public knowledge, and even with first person testimony and admissions many of the more gullible cannot be unconvinced of what they think they know.
“If the South Florida team cannot succeed in organizing a conspiracy case, then my advice or hope is that they take all the evidence to the White House and do what should have been done years ago….. …. RELEASE IT!”
If I understand this correctly, the way to look at it is that the clock is ticking and the Administration is running out of time. I cannot imagine that after President Trump is out of office anyone else is going to try to get it out or pursue it any further. Not Vance or anyone else. They will all want to move on to other things. Current things, not what so many will be viewing as ancient history. By necessity and common sense, any release must be prior to PT leaving office. No need to waste two more years working on cases that won’t be inititated and in the process run out of time to make sure the release is prepared and accomplished. So switch now from case preparation to public release preparation and RELEASE IT ALL as soon as it is ready, while PT is still in office. Otherwise it may never happen.
All Trump wanted to do was downsize government and make it more efficient and accountable.
Solve for who is most opposed to this simple request.
Gee whiz, 10 years is not enough time to gather evidence and prosecute a single person for the crime of the century? Yet they ran 1400 J6 patriots through a meat grinder in only a few months, including identifying them, tracking them down, arresting them, and railroading them into prison.
No wonder the Republicans are called the DUMB party while the Democrats are called the EVIL party.
This is why I say you Sundance should write the screenplay for a long-running series, albeit NOT fiction.
Without the ability to bring a detailed evidence sufficient extended conspiracy a lot of criminals are not only going to walk, but they will actually sashay, as if they are fully innocent and this investigation was merely a political witch hunt.
Their projection never fails.
The deep complexities are the reason this vast conspiracy has succeeded. The players all know this will never be unwound and presented to the “voters”. Even the dead ones.
I get it, thank you!!!
I remember reading that glorious post of October 11, 2020 and prayed to God that it would come to fruition. I also figured there were many people surrounding President Trump who would be screaming their heads off not to do it.
I wonder what former ODNI head Tulsi Gabbard would recommend if she were still in the room? In my opinion she is the only one with guts to say “Yes, do it!”
With some changes, this post could as easily apply to Bondi and Patel.
This is how the swamp protects their own. Delay, obfuscate, and wait for the next administration.
I get the impression that you see this prosecution as hopeless, given the detail, the length of time involved, and the complexity.
That would mean that no matter who President Trump asks to work in the DOJ, he is never going to get satisfaction. It is enraging that the many bad actors probably knew this while acting.
The press has not done their job at all.
Sundance ty for all the information.
I will just keep living my best life and
thanking God for it.
God Bless you, your crew and all treepers.
This is a safe place for me.
MAGA
I’m an attorney and 100% understand what Sundance is saying. When you are the #3 and have the granular and start trying to explain to the #2, you see his/her eyes start to glaze and he/she starts shaking his/her head “no,” and barely makes it through the explanation of point #1. And there are still 1000 points to go. Then you hear #2 explaining to #1 and your heart starts to sink. When I became a #1, I knew I had to be the one with the granular knowledge, to know the facts better than anyone. And it is extremely time consuming. And you hear many cohorts say “why don’t you let an associate do that?” Sundance is 100% correct
You are absolutely correct. I have been an expert witness in complex litigation related to civil disputes over complex financial matters. Each case is unique and even the best/most experienced litigators will look at you at some point and ask you to explain it to them like they are a five-year-old. My standard quip is: “If you wanted that, you should have hired Barney.”
To which they respond: “By day 7, the average juror has the attention span and focus on detail of a five-year-old, so we gotta figure this out.”
You absolutely have to be able to boil it down to its simplest form for a jury while, at the same time, get in all the info (the part that makes the eyes glaze over) to make your record. It’s truly an art form
Back in 1975 a movie was made that already showed how complicated government was. They have had 50 years since to perfect the process to make it impossible to crack.
“I just read books. Who would invent a job like that?”
One of my favorite cold war movies.
except in the end Redford character said “call the NY Times” as if telling a reporter would do any good.
Did you know that the poor Branch Davidians when set upon by tanks, guns, grenades, etc. held a sheet out the window with “call the press” written on it. Poor naive, now dead, people.
Knowing the truth is the taproot of meaningful understanding and effective decision making.
Everyone who has both appreciated the content on this site and been educated by it over many years is acutely and painfully aware of the truth of SD’s commentary.
IMO, the ultimate takeaway from this essay is crystal clear: the combination of staff churn, steep learning curves, competing self-interests, and very limited “time over the target” effectively cripples the ability to defeat the collective of ruthless and amoral Dem politicos and judges, deeply and broadly embedded career status DS operatives, and a growing subversive population, in spite of having the ultimate patriot in the Oval Office.
There is no pretending in seeing a national horizon that is clouded by darkness.
Sundance,
Would it make any difference if they went after some of the small fry involved, who didn’t do the biggest acts of treason but were in the know, and required as a matter of a plea that the guy/gal testify to the deep and relentless inner workings of the conspiracy?
I ask because in my opinion the continued Lawfare to interrupt or end Donald Trump’s presidency is an integrally related part of the conspiracy against him.
In other words, these crimes continue today.
So we are fundamentally, completely, and utterly SOL. Moreover, they will do this again, and they will do far worse this time because there are literally no consequences. NONE. So what will happen now is they will cheat again, they will end up back in power, and they will go scorched earth on anyone and everyone who even looked. I mean everyone!!!
A film documenting the grand conspiracy is needed IMHO.
Joey D said Bill Barr would get to the bottom of things.
That did not happen. Barr protected the Deep State because
he is the Deep State.
From your lips SD to Trump’s ears.
We are not descended from fearful men.
Gubmint employees… they definitely are.
Fear is the mind killer.
A lot of people do not overcome it.
They’re without faith in Jesus.
Agree, release it. Let us – as we are the ones – do the work. It has to be the People.
Declassify & release all the documents…with no redactions. That has been a request since I joined the branches in the Treehouse. ‘We The People’ give our consent to be governed. That consent is conditional.
Full release of all unredacted documents relating to the SpyGate & RussiaGate is a non-negotiable.
The truth has no agenda. The truth will not stay suppressed. The truth will expose the evildoers & their evil actions. The truth cares not about our feelings.