The issue was never really about Canada tolling; the real issue was about ‘cost overruns’ against the backdrop of how the tolling revenue was being used for repayment to the govt of Canada. It’s a rather sticky situation.
The Canadian government backstopped the financing of the bridge construction. The deal was that Canada would use tolling to pay the govt back and subsequent tolls would split 50/50 with U.S. However, cost overruns made the Canadian payback a little less clear as the govt expected more revenue than originally proposed. Sketchy.
[SOURCE]
The deal currently being revealed as a compromise includes an immediate 50/50 split where Canada gets 50 per cent of the toll profits — after operational expenses — and the other half will go to a U.S-run regional development project for a 15-year time frame.
According to Global News, “The agreement also requires the Windsor-Detroit Bridge Authority to consult the U.S. on any toll changes greater than 10 per cent, the source said, or if it’s looking to lower tolls below those of comparable regional averages.” Additionally, in Politico “they will guarantee and ensure that we’re not pouring Chinese cars over that bridge.”
I guess I am old fashioned but shouldn’t the tolls go to maintenance and upkeep of the bridge?
Operational expenses would include maintenance I would think.
“The deal… includes an immediate 50/50 split where Canada gets 50 per cent of the toll profits — after operational expenses — and the other half will go to a U.S-run regional development project for a 15-year time frame.
That quote does not appear to accurately capture the details of the agreement nor the “sharing”. This quote doesn’t provide adequate information either, but does suggest this posting and comments do not fully outline the how toll revenues will be applied and allocated, near term and into the future –
“Under the agreement, tolls collected from bridge users will be used to reimburse Canada for the funds it advanced.
Once the costs are fully recouped, toll revenue will be shared with the state of Michigan.”
https://www.ctvnews.ca/windsor/article/fact-check-canada-paid-for-gordie-howe-bridge-but-doesnt-own-it-alone/
This artcle is dated February 9 so it’s not the current plan according to what Sundance posted.
I’m thankful he posted that article. Now I can see how truly bad the deal was. The US was never gonna get a penny with all the cost overruns. Now it sounds like Canada is repay TD Bank with its own 50% of the tolls.
I like the new deal a lot better.
Shouldn’t Canada get paid back for the cost of building the bridge? That should happen before profits, I think
not for their incompetence or kickbacks or incompetence(cost overruns) other than that – it appears that they are getting paid back
sorry meant to add corruption but typed incompetence again (im originally from Canada so i guess i’ve seen a lot more incompetence there)
There were so many palms that got greased both on the Canadian and Michigan side before the bridge even got approved for construction. Billionaire Matty Maroun was totally against having the Gordie Howe bridge built 2 miles downstream from the Ambassador bridge which also links Detroit to Windsor. I was dumbfounded when I learned that a he, a private individual owned an international border crossing. Before construction began on the new bridge, he pretty much had a monopoly on all of the JIT(just in time) trucking traffic to the Windsor auto assembly plants unless truckers wanted to drive about 45 minutes north to the Bluewater bridge in Port Huron. With the USMCA deal not being renewed I suspect there will be much less of the profitable trucking traffic which charged $15-20 per axle on semi trucks, (a typical freight semi has 5 axles) crossing the bridge versus $10 for a passenger car.
No. They reap the benefit of coming here and selling while we reap the benefit of going there.
We didn’t need another bridge. This was a money laundering operation for the Canadian government and now they’re taxpayers are on the hook for voting for communists.
Play stupid games win, stupid prizes.
Should also levy a tarriff tax on all can a duh trucks entering US that are registered in Canada.
You are missing the grift no matter which deal you are discussing.
The grift is cost overruns.
If it should only cost 1 trillion dollars to build a bridge but “cost overruns” (ie: grift) make it cost one hundred trillion dollars. then Carney can grift 99 trillion to his friends and the tolls will have to pay for all that grift before the toll sharing begins.
Thank you. You are right about this.
That was the original deal.
This is Like when the Neighbor wanted a New Fence Behind me…
OH, You want to Pay for it All.???
OK… BUT, I still Own Half of it by Law…
Go Right ahead YOU IDIOT.!!!
I would take “operational expenses” to mean the costs of running the tolling system, not maintenance of the bridge itself.
I’m sure maintenance is accounted for somewhere in the deal. It’s only right that we get half the tolls..them American roads aren’t going to fix themselves with Canadian cars on them.
Heavy trucks can do a lot of damage, especially in places with freeze-thaw cycles like Michigan
Which is why trucking companies pay IFTA taxes in the USA. Not sure what the Canadian equivalent would be.
It’s the same. American and Canadian trucks all require 2, 1 each side near/on driver/passenger door. It will have an outline of the state/ province the company operates from. Color of sticker will determine the year, changes annually.
IFTA just a polite way to say tax stamp.
“Canada gets 50 per cent of the toll profits — after operational expenses”
If President Trump is happy, I’m happy.
What a terrific name for the bridge. IMHO Mr. Hockey was the G.O.A.T.
Absolutely! I liked Wayne Gretzky, but Gordie Howe is the GOAT.
Fun fact: Wayne Gretzky attended high school in Carmel Indiana for a brief time while playing for the Indianapolis Racers.
I love how President Trump keeps his genius eye on everything that impacts our way of life.
Can’t thank God enough, this site reminds me to do so.
🇺🇸🦅✝️🙏❤️
I am with you and President Trumps knows how to financially really win…bill
Amen 🙏
Handle that, Mark.
Slowly but surely President Trump is getting everything he wants from Canada.
The financial deal sounds fine but…one can’t trust the Canadian government with anything. I hope we’ll have sufficient safeguards on our side of the bridge to prevent “Chinese cars” and Chinese nationals, especially pregnant ones, from United States entry.
Lincoln’s? Buicks?
The Chinese use Samoa as the point to let their little ones become U.S. citizens. Darn shame they operate like that! So convenient.
US Customs & Border Control is located just after the bridge, before vehicles can access any other roads in the USA.
While the trucks are backed up at the booth…
Check them CDL’s.
Quick walk around and manifest inspection.
(Safety Safety Safety)
Then a Lil “chit-chat” with the driver(s).
Take all of 5 minutes.
Couldn’t hurt.
💯 🎯
“Then a Lil “chit-chat” with the driver(s).”
Well, the few who speak English at least… 😉
yep. this bridge will eventually morph into another of the left’s knives in our back. chinese cars and anchor babies.
I think Canada’s takeover by China is probably Trump’s biggest issue with Canada. Canada has become a desirable country for transnational organized crime. Our proximity to the United States and long unprotected border is one of the main reasons for this. Another reason is that Canada is unable to prosecute them because we don’t have anti racketeering laws and there is no will to change that because the Liberal party benefits financially from it. Sam Cooper reports extensively on these issues and has a book about it. He links the crazy real estate prices in Vancouver and Toronto to money laundering of drug trading profits by the Chinese organized crime. Canadas weakness in all things judicial makes us easily exploitable. The average Canadian is oblivious to what is happening. The Liberal government, both Trudeau and Carney, have made it easier for cartels to come in and they work with China. We also have IRGC getting a foothold in Canada. It’s really really bad and breaks my heart but nothing will change until Canadians wake up. That is why I’m not against what Trump is doing with Canada. We need a radical wake-up.
https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/the-bureau-podcast/id1700573942?i=1000775000775
“However, cost overruns made the Canadian payback a little less clear as the govt expected more revenue than originally proposed. Sketchy.”
Cost overruns……..on a large, goobermint administered project. Who’da thunk………..
“Cost overruns” as in copious quantities of political kickbacks and money laundering, no doubt.
Your comment said everything in one sentence.
I was reading an article at Rebel Media, a Canadian source, and they were talking about how Carney is in bed with Brookfield.
There were working on a huge bail out for the condo builders whose properties sit empty in Vancouver. Nobody can afford them. I’m driving right now so I can’t look it up. But who wants to bet Brookfield was one of the big contractors on this bridge?
Could be but the planning, development and building of the bridge predates Carney. He has only been in power for about a year. They got caught on the condo deal, so that seems to be off the table — for now.
Maybe our good friend Dekester has some insight and can weigh in on this.
well, after the 20- years of inflation during the time to get permits and design done, graft and waste on every project, the initial price tag is usually off by ten or 20 fold.
Subsequent tolls got moved from the back side to the front end.
Cost overruns by a Canadian company would have meant the subsequent toll-sharing probably would never have been realized while we paid for Canada’s lack of oversight of their construction contracts.
Carney is dealing with a US builder who knows construction. PDJT knows contracts.
The Canadian-made Chinese cars crossing the bridge won’t ever happen either.
It’s amazing how the cycle works:
Something happens.
Trump issues statement that causes liberals to whine and cry.
Trump makes better deal.
Does anyone know what the toll cost is? I’m just curious and have no plans to go there. It’s too cold.
$5.75
I’m surprised they didn’t go with the latest AI tolling that predicts traffic congestion and increases tolls during peak times.
Oh, that’s not too bad. The 17 mile Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel at the mouth of the bay (not to be confused with the Chesapeake Bay Bridge near Annapolis) is $16 one way except on peak congestion times from May 15 to September 15 when it’s $21 from Friday through Sunday. That’s for cars, SUVs, etc., that meet certain criteria. It’s higher for other vehicles.
I thought this bridge would be similar
I believe it is $10 US, $14 cAD, $5.50 pre paid premier. Worked in Detroit, lots of Canadian coworkers who crossed daily
Fan of dynamic pricing are you?
Nope. How did you come to that conclusion?
“I’m surprised they didn’t go with the latest AI tolling that predicts traffic congestion and increases tolls during peak times”
“It’s too cold.”
It is currently 77 in Windsor, Ontario and is forecast to be 98 next Wednesday. How warm does it need to be before you would consider a visit?
Additionally, in Politico“they will guarantee and ensure that we’re not pouring Chinese cars over that bridge.”
LOL That is vintage Trump. Well done, Mr. President!
J
That is not a problem.
Those Chinese Buicks can still be dropped off in LA.
To many bridges and toll roads and ports in this country are owned by foreign entities or governments yet the U.S. taxpayers get screwed forking over maintenance costs.
Another bridge linking the U.S. and Canada is not needed
The Ambassador Bridge sometimes has 6 hour backups for trucks. The Detroit-Windsor Tunnel really can’t accommodate big trucks. Many detour to the Blue Water Bridge at Sarnia – Port Huron, which is about 100 miles / 2 hours north.
Time is money.
To many bridges and toll roads and ports in this country are owned by foreign entities or governments yet the U.S. taxpayers get screwed forking over maintenance costs.
Another bridge linking the U.S. and Canada is not needed.
Kinda feel like the jokes on them. I mean they do get to enter the greatest country in the history of the world but their touch down point is Detroit.
Hey, watch it!!
Detroit is back ❤️
It is remarkable.
https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/detroits-michigan-central-station-is-restored-to-its-original-glory
Yippee.
I bet you’re fun 🤡
Worked in detroit 30 years, have not been back since I retired 3 yrs ago. One building does not carry a city
You miss the point entirely. It’s one example of the overall optimism. Why would anyone shoot down a bit of positivity? Damn, I bet they miss you.
Like I said. One building does not carry a city. Sorry, after working in that city, built a very tough shell, snide comments do not affect me in the least.
I live here. You said you left 3 years ago.
Sorry, but I see vast improvement and optimism. There’s way more to it than one building…the city has historically significant, amazing architecture being embraced and revitalized everywhere.
Good for you.
Wish I could say the same about the city I live in.
It’s run by a bunch of progressives that only care about bike lanes and pride parades.
Obvious😉 Make Detroit Great Again💪
Key Percentages (U.S. 2020 Census QuickFacts)
Black or African American alone: 75.3%
White alone: 11.6% (White alone, not Hispanic or Latino: 10.8%)
Two or More Races: 6.0%
Hispanic or Latino (of any race): 8.3%
2010 Census: Black or African American alone: 82.7%
White alone: 10.6%
— White alone, not Hispanic: 7.8%
Hispanic or Latino (any race): 6.8%
So beautiful!! Good for Detroit! One building at a time.
From what I understand, there is no anticipated rise in traffic between the U.S. and Canada. Therefore whatever traffic comes over the new bridge, is traffic that has been diverted from other crossings.
That is mostly because of tariffs and non-renewal of USMCA. The bridge started construction in June 2018.
They should install a special “express lane” for any Chinese-made cars crossing the bridge (one that takes a sharp turn off into the air a few hundred feet over the Detroit river.) [just a joke]
Very fitting bridge name. Gordie Howe left Canada to work in the USA. The bridge leaves Canada being they built it.
It appears the “public-private” corruption is on both sides of the bridge:
‘ “The agreement also requires the Windsor-Detroit Bridge Authority to consult the U.S….if it is looking to lower tolls below those of comparable regional averages.” ‘
Because:
Half of toll profits ‘…will go to a U.S-run regional development project for a 15-year time frame. ‘
Where cost overruns, kickbacks, and pocket-lining will occur, of course. Just like CA.
But the larger question is:
How much money are we talking about, being split 50/50 after “operational costs”?
Trivial, compared to the really consequential issues of the day, so why does this become such a big deal?
Is it because media is filled with Mockingbirds amplifying actions and words of prominent psyop marionettes (including Trump) to keep our heads spinning with manufactured distractions, as the US bloc unravels and trundles downward toward diminished positions in the coming de facto totalitarian global order taking shape?
Hmmm…
The other critters in media, assisting the managed decline: Crickets.
On the biowarfare democide by attrition aimed ONLY at the US bloc, still executing with permanent damage to the 70% coerced to take the shots:
https://eddowdbeyondthenarrative.substack.com/p/the-covid-reckoning-that-never-came
Cost overruns: bribes, grifting, kickbacks. In other words a form of legalized political payback for large government projects supported by taxpayers.
So let’s see. Under the original agreement the revenue is disbursed as follows. Canada gets paid for their operation and maintenance costs. Then they get paid for their capital investment and financing costs until those are fully paid off (break even). Then any profit left over is split 50/50. Guess what, there will never be any profit left over. Under that concept you never get to break even and have a profit. I have first hand experience with this type of self-funded agreement. Glad that got fixed.
If it were so cut and dried in Canada’s favor as originally agreed and signed, it’s very odd that Canada wouldn’t have taken it to the UN, the Hague, US Supreme Ct or anywhere to get some legal backing. Evidently, it wasn’t anywhere to be found
Yeah, they can keep their Chinese cars.
Currently 40,000 vehicles per day go over Ambassador Bridge, if half go to Gordie Howe Bridge – that cuts revenue on Ambassador Bridge in half (assuming tolls stay the same). Ambassador Bridge built in 1929 (and still privately owned) at least 4X the maintenance cost of the new bridge (probably more like 10X). Canadian govt decides, build a new bridge, set tolls as low as needed to put Ambassador Bridge out of business and well la’ (a little French lingo there) they have monopoly control of the busiest commercial bridge in North America. Trump throws monkey wrench by not allowing opening of the new bridge until “agreement” is reached on tolls. Hilarious, but short-term fix. Prediction, Ambassador Bridge will be “purchased” (read bailout) by Michigan and the U.S. Federal Govt within five years, sticking taxpayers with the costs and spreading benefits to politicians and their donors. Grift equalizes between government entities like water flows downhill. .
WINNING AGAIN.!!!
Now Let’s Drop the PUCK and get the FaYuck going on the Annexation of Alberta Canada…
Step ONE in the 51st State Acquisition…