Yesterday the alarming story surfaced of Biden-era FBI officials working for Jack Smith conducting phone record surveillance on Kash Patel and Susie Wiles in 2022 and 2023 when Donald Trump was organizing his second term candidacy.
Beyond the initial element of subpoenas for Patel and Wiles phone records was an alarming assertion made inside the Reuters report stating:
“[…] In 2023, the FBI recorded a phone call between Wiles and her attorney, according to two FBI officials. Wiles’ attorney was aware that the call was being recorded, and consented to it, but Susie Wiles was not.” (source)
That statement is shocking on many levels. There is no legal mechanism for the FBI to gain wiretap authority to record a phone conversation between a lawyer and his client. Every legal cannon that underpins the American legal system forbids such an intrusion.
Any lawyer who would consent to his client being recorded by the FBI while keeping the client unaware would be disbarred and lose their license.
No judge or legal authority would even consider approving a warrant for such a wiretap, and inside the judiciary any of the content from such a violative breech would be immediately nullified in any capacity.
Reporting by Marc Caputo of Vice News now reflects the lawyer categorically denying being aware of his conversation with Susie Wiles being intercepted or recorded. “The lawyer representing Susie Wiles at the time of this incident categorically denies he allowed his client to be recorded by the FBI w/out her consent. I understand she believes him & that the Biden-era FBI may have lied about it. Here’s what the lawyer told me: “If I ever pulled a stunt like that I wouldn’t – and shouldn’t – have a license to practice law. I’m as shocked as Susie.” (source)
As the story now rests. If the FBI does indeed have a recording of a private phone call between Susie Wiles and her attorney, the recording itself could have only come from an illegal wiretap by rogue elements of the FBI working in coordination with Jack Smith. No judge would ever approve of such a violative action.
If such a recording and wiretap does factually exist, Jack Smith and the top elements of the former DOJ (Merrick Garland and Lisa Monaco) together with FBI leadership Director Christopher Wray, now have a lot to answer to. Again, that is if the predicate claim is factual; if a recording of such an intercept does factually exist.
This is certainly a story to watch closely and see who exactly is asking the right questions to get the right answers.
I suggest that we should, first, confirm that “the recording does ‘factually exist.'”
For example: Other stories are now directly questioning whether the reported “Cuba firing at a US-flagged motorboat” incident actually happened. The story seems to be falling apart, with some reported “victims” being very much alive, and that the reported Florida registration number does not correspond to a motorboat. It corresponds to a small utility craft which realistically couldn’t have made it there across open ocean, let alone “at speed.” So far as I am aware, no solid evidence has yet been produced.
Today, even “photographic evidence” can be very-convincingly faked. (New Term: “Deepfake.”) We can no longer trust our eyes. We must verify everything.
“Suspicious Cat. Trust, but Verify.™”
… and if the recording exists, then with it should be a Consent form signed by the attorney. Period. No form, no consent.
We already know that Smith and many others in the Biden admin were not exactly operating according to the letter of the law and established procedures, so why would a completed consent form have to exist for it to have happened just as described? If the form exists, then the attorney might be in trouble. If the form does not exist, then the attorney may have plausible deniability.
Fruit of a poisoned tree?
Not unless someone was charged. If someone was charged in a criminal case, and this conversation was evidence, then it could thrown out as “fruit of a poisonous tree.” We don’t have any idea how any such recording was used. If it was obtained illegally, then that is the criminality involved in this affair, and not anything Susie Wiles or her attorney did.
Depending on where the parties were located, it come have state issues too. Maryland is a two party consent state.
The internet is stateless… see my comment below.
Try dealing with jurisdiction when online sex predators lure your daughter away.
Nice thing about state law is that a federal pardon does not matter. Jack Smith could be in strong lodgings in, say, Oklahoma or Alabama for twenty years. I am sure his Harrrrrvard degree will serve him well there.
Couldn’t happen to a more deserving guy.
What Sundance is pointing out is that an attorney can not give consent to pierce “attorney client privilege”. If such a document exists, all parties to the document would be disbarred and fined, if not jailed. If you found out that a public defender for an innocent subject was secretly colluding with the DA to “pin” something on his client via guiding the client to say something stupid on a pre-coordinated wire-tap, the subject would be right in saying that they didn’t get their right to a defense attorney, but got TWO DA’s working doubly hard to throw them in jail. It is un-American and illegal!
Where there’s smoke….
“A Lot to answer”? No they have a lot of time to do in prison!!
“No judge would ever approve of such a violative action.” What about a democrat leaning/anti-Trump judge? Let’s say someone like Judge Boasberg.
how about tapping phone without a warrant?
We are tapped ALL THE TIME 24/7
Or the judges that trashed Trump Lawyer Client protections.
“No judge would ever approve of such a violative action.”
When we read about these actions and activities that defy legal norms, it’s important to remember that the participants involved were operating under the belief that: “In no way will he (Trump) win the election” He wasn’t supposed to win, so none of these “issues” would ever come to light.
Election results have consequences.
Boasberg would have, since he is protected by Roberts and the intel community.
And Boasberg is also apparently protected by Pam Bondi and the GOP.
They NEVER ask the right questions.
Smith was such a Nazi thug, I don’t doubt he would do it.
Herr Weissman, too.
“Wiretap first. Ask permission later–if at all.”
…jewish … Herr WEISSMAN..a th*g???
Question:
If you were a plant and there were rumblings to your loyalty, what could one do to distract or try and change those rumblings?
This and beg Speaker Johnson to assign you to the House Oversight Committee?
Suppose for purposes of argument the recording does in fact exist.
Sundance: “Any lawyer who would consent to his client being recorded by the FBI while keeping the client unaware would be disbarred and lose their license.”
Not necessarily. Many lawyers residing within today’s American legal establishment will actively participate in any intrusion into American constitutional rights which supports their marxist-communist agenda. Lawyers and judges alike.
Sundance: “No judge or legal authority would even consider approving a warrant for such a wiretap, and inside the judiciary any of the content from such a violative breech would be immediately nullified in any capacity.”
Not necessarily. Because many elements working within today’s judiciary will approve any intrusion into American constitutional rights which supports their goal of defeating Donald Trump as a person, and the MAGA movement as a force in American politics.
My thoughts exactly, but better said.
In “the long march through the institutions” the leftists made sure the Law Schools were re-made to serve the left, not the law.
Only if the lawyer wanted to lose every penny he or she ever earned, plus lifetime payments going forward on the rest of the multi-million dollar judgment.
The Rules of Professional Responsibility do exist.
An attorney cannot waive attorney-client privilege.
This is a red line. Cross it, and the rule of law is dead as a doornail. It would end the entire legal system for criminal defense if a defendant cannot have legal representation (which is what this would mean if an attorney can secretly put the FBI on the line.) It would be an out and out denial of constitutional right to legal representation, and that case law is old, enshrined, and has never been brought into question.
Any Judge that signed a warrant permitting it not only should be impeached, but would be sued by Ms. Wiles for deprivation of rights under color of law. And perhaps criminally charged.
On a different issue but same scumbag Bunch. Half of America watched their president reelected then slowly lost. Not one judge in the entire USA would even look into it.
OUR justice system is a JUST US System.
I can envision a Boasberg style judge not being particularly worried about it, particularly if it was presumed no one would ever find out.
In an ideal world No perhaps about criminal charges.
“Only if the lawyer wanted to lose every penny he or she ever earned, plus lifetime payments going forward on the rest of the multi-million dollar judgment.”
That assumes that said lawyer thinks there is any chance to be found out and actually held accountable. Same goes for the judge. Same goes for the prosecutor. Same goes for the AG.
We all know from the top down, they all believe they ARE above the law. They telegraph that with every word that comes out of their mouths and hits a piece of paper.
Hubris is rampant in these circles. Our failure to make a scratch in the shield the flout will undoubtedly make it far worse in the future.
there IS a difference between what the law means and HOW SOME PEOPLE operate. The difference is as they say not what is or isn’t against the law, but what can be proven in a court of law.
tldr: corruptors will always break the law because they know the odds of actual consequence is essentially none.
exhibit: name a single Russia Russia election influencing agent of the central state that has gone to jail.
God Bless America
…there IS a difference between what the law means and HOW SOME PEOPLE operate….
Depends on what the meaning of “IS” IS. 😉
Spot on. No matter what the penalties I can break any law I want to come after you because I believe you’re
finished, absolutely kaput, dead in the water. Because I believe there no way anyone will ever investigate me. Ever.
But then things change. Maybe.
Lawyers operating as double agents is nothing remotely new.
Anyone remember Fleet Finance? Back in the 90s they were renowned on
foreclosing on single family homes in predominantly black neighorhoods.
Yours truly was living in such a neighborhood, and heard heartbreaking
story after heartbreaking story about people facing losing their homes to
fleet. What’s worse, many hired a lawyer that was the offspring of a noted
civils rights leader in the area.
After the dust settled, it came out that a number of the homes wound up
getting foreclosed on for one simple reason. Said lawyer was feeding information
to Fleet Finance. Never charged, and, to make matters worse, Fleet decided
to move their offices to Dekalb County. Knowing that their leadership was their
kind of folks.
Well said BW. The Democrat Crime Syndicate & their NWO Marxist DS cronies don’t care to abide by laws. Why would they? So far not one of them has been prosecuted for the crimes we have witnessed before our eyes for the past 10 years. We get “Congressional Hearing” clown shows with the usual GOP selected to go on FOX to wring their hands afterward, but then even if there is a “criminal referral” the story is buried and we never hear anything more. There is no deterrent other than bad press from the political opposition and angry social media posts.
And they have done so, in both cases (lawyers forsaking their clients and judges intruding into the atty/client privilege unconstitutionally). The DOJ and IC lied to the FISA judges repeatedly when they were spying on Trump and his inner circle, as did Jack Smith (as I recall) when he left the paperwork blank so as to give the judge/court plausible deniability in terms of authorizing unconstitutional spying for political purposes.
This is, strangely, one of the least credible things I’ve ever seen Sundance author. Maybe he meant to finish the thought with something like… in a sane and just system of judicial proceedings and law enforcement.
Didn’t Patel just fire 10 FBI agents for this very act? And, I beg to differ concerning any judge not using it. In this day and time, many judges are not being lawful and have done some pretty unlawful things to President Trump and other MAGA people so let the bricks fall and we’ll see.
There was a report he fired 10 people who worked for the FBI. It did not specify Agents just that he was big mad by golly.
Not to worry, Comer and the House Oversight Committee are on it.
No judge would ever approve of such a violative action. – Sundance
Boasberg?
Our side does not speak the same language as the other side.
What we call a “judge” and what they call a “judge” are two entirely different things.
There is no common ground, no compromise. One side wins the other side loses.
Boasberg keeps working the “Migrants to El Salvador” after SCOTUS told him he has no jurisdiction. He has no jurisdiction under any law, but Boasberg keeps working it anyway, and usurps the position of US Attorney by working as prosecutor and investigator. He’ll be the grand jury next.
“No judge would ever approve of such a violative action.”
No honest judge would do it.
Which rules out at least 600 judges (based on the last year as evidence).
Boesberg would pay to do it.
The recording could have been by some NGO giving the FIB and the crooked lawyer plausable deniability.
The UNIparty’s favorite words “Plausible Deniability”
I would like to replace it with “Guilt By Association”
Why do we have these three letter agencies?
Patel fired 10 people…seems like a drop in a bucket. Shut it down and start over.
Better yet, shut it down and don’t start over.
Letting everyone know what we already knew – – – – – they can get away with anything.
Occasionally, there are firings. Occasionally.
I have to give credit to Patel for actually firing the agents involved in the Mar a Lago raid instead of just giving them early retirement with full benefits. It’s alarming that after everything illegal they did, the FBI Agent Association is up in arms about the Dirty Cops losing their jobs. That says to me this agency is not redeemable. I sure hope the agents who went through Melania’s underwear drawer were among those who got the axe. They’re not just Dirty Cops, but also disgusting perverts.
Maybe so, but why did it take him a year to do it? He didn’t know before? Seems to me like the usual after-the-event token BS, as per usual.
The one thing we know for sure is nobody will ever be charged for the 4th amendment violations!
Surely the 10 fired had nothing to do with authorizing the criminality.
They knew they were breaking the law though. If they thought they were never going to get scapegoated for carrying out an unprecedented raid on a former POTUS without a proper warrant, and also with authorization to use deadly force, they aren’t the brightest bulbs on the block. More than likely they were all criminally minded “we’re above the law” TDS characters. They were also abusive to the staff at Mar a Lago. They made them all stand out in the blistering Florida heat while they were inside conducting the raid for hours upon hours instead of allowing them to shelter somewhere in AC. They also forced the staff to turn off the security cameras. More than likely they didn’t want to have footage of “evidence” being carefully staged. IMO, the “classified” file boxes “strewn” carefully across the bathroom were beyond the pale fake.
I don’t feel sorry for any of these people one bit. Of course these psychopaths are now whining “We were just following orders.” There should be no mercy for any of them. They should all be facing criminal charges. Hopefully the terminations are being conducted in such a way that none of these people will ever be eligible to work in law enforcement again.
Nobody has been punished for these crimes – why should we think that anybody is going to be?
I would “waterboard” the lawyer…who cares what he confesses–the humor is the waterboarding of a lawyer seeking truths!
We live in a world now where assuming the FBI lied about her attorney’s involvement is the only intelligent response. And this one’s a whopper.
They were all schooled by the Master Liar himself, James Comey.
And still we don’t know the name of the lawyer?
“Shhhh, I did no such thing and even if I did, you can’t know me.”
This does not take Ms. Suzie 12 Interviews off my suspicious list.
Exactly Dave. We won’t know the names of the FBI agents because that is a private HR personnel matter. If the info were disclosed the terminated agents could sue the FBI for breach of privacy. Perhaps the lawyer could also sue for slander if Wiles or the FBI don’t produce the proof. I’ll lay odds there will be no proof. Soon we will hear the tape was “erased by mistake.”
Wiles, Blanche, Patel, Bondi, Bongino, Ratcliffe are (were) all problematic and those are only the headline acts.
“No judge or legal authority would even consider approving a warrant for such a wiretap, and inside the judiciary any of the content from such a violative breech would be immediately nullified in any capacity.”
Sorry, I disagree; Boasberg would approve in a minute…or any Democrat Judge…
Some in the Supreme Court would not only justify doing it but would protect those who are doing it.
Shipwrecked Ha. Julie Kelly does not have good things to say about him.
I agree with this:
Wouldn’t the NSA have all of that?
Whatever else may be concerning about Patel, he is simply not a Leader.
I have been around a lot of C-level transitions in my career. I am sure on Day 1, the “staff” of the Director’s office told him: “Here is your schedule of weekly/monthly/quarterly meetings; here is who to call to schedule the jet; here is the bathroom and the code to the parking garage with your assigned space..” And he just thought: “ok, this is the job.”
A leader immediately questions every meeting and the need for a jet (although not the bathroom!). They would ask what the purpose of each meeting is and who attends and then would say: cancel them all, here are the meetings that I WANT and WHO i want in them and how often they need to happen. A leader would also have done enough homework to understand the organizational issues well IN ADVANCE and would use his new meetings to confirm the issues. He would then FIRE everyone aligned with the previous failed leadership team.
Kash simply lacks the experience, or balls, to operate independently inside such a large organization. As some have said: he is in way over his head. (See Bessent, Noam and Gabbard as leadership examples).
BNG,
What a great comment, and truth!
TY
See my note above yours about “leadership.” This is NOT that.
F an A, who cares about this. Where is Radcliff in this mess. Why can’t Trump get his appoints through. This is Barking at the Moon. Spot light needs to be on inaction, not this. This is a squirrel. Understand the frustration.
You don’t think the FBI Director should have any down time?
“No judge would ever approve of such a violative action.”
uh….I could name a dozen Federal judges who would eagerly do this. Boasberg for one….
My problem with this kerfluffle is that I don’t trust a single one of these people. Not the Feebs (least of all), or Kash, Susie’s Lawyer, or Susie herself. Kash is apparently just fine with the Feebs continuing their undermining and destruction, and hasn’t lifted a finger to stop it. Susie foisted the worthless Barbi Bondi on us, and protects her from any consequences of her continuing inaction.
“If the FBI does indeed have a recording of a private phone call between Susie Wiles and her attorney,”…….I suspe t this should ow read ‘If the FBI DID indeed have a recording…….” I have to assume that, especially now that this has hit the fan, that recording would be destroyed.
The hardware that the recording was on has been wiped, like with a cloth.
😉
No one on the Left ever pays the price. The Rinos are co-conspirators in the Marxist Left to bring down the US. Lots of noise and no action. Is there any wonder why Biden and Obama got away with their “middle finger” to Constitutional safe guards for anyone who dared whisper anything negative.
Who’s Susie’s attorney? I’m not seeing the name in reporting?
I could see a judge issuing a warrant if the attorney is deemed to be a co-conspirator in a crime.
I saw it happen in a case where the attorney was a member of an outlaw motorcycle gang.
“No judge or legal authority would even consider approving a warrant for such a wiretap”
No judge or legal authority WITH INTEGRITY would do so.
And since we have not seen any ‘resistance’ judges suffer any legal consequences for their actions, including Boasberg, why should they worry about legal consequences?
“…a lot to answer for…”
Well, they haven’t had to answer for the coup against a Sitting President of the United States of America, so I doubt they are too worked up about this. They’ll all have cocktails a 3:00 and laugh and laugh!
The Democommunist Lawfarers probably have a FISA warrant on Carter Page through Bozoberg and can surveil Trump associates.
The fact that most of us could consider the story as plausible is a national tragedy.
And a national emergency.
Susie Wiles is being targeted as well. See, she is on the good side.
Low quality bullshit psyop
Clearly, someone is lying. Don’t hold your breath for a definitive answer because ‘the matter is under investigation’.Northof 49
It’s difficult for me to believe that so many here are giving Reuters any credibility.
“Any lawyer who would consent to his client being recorded by the FBI while keeping the client unaware would be disbarred and lose their license.”
And successfully sued into oblivion by their client for the gross breach of professional duty.
Good grief, the people making these ridiculous explanations for their runaway trampling of fundamental rights … arrogance run wild.
And yet it will continue, because there have been zero real consequences.
Yes…a left wing rabid TDS judge would approve…knowing there would be no repercussions for their actions…
But…did Slo Joe’s Fib threaten the attorney with blackmail to perform such act? Did they have dirt on him? Possible…
In most places, probably all, at least one party of the tapped phone call must be aware of it.
This is black letter law and in a non-corrupt society, short work would be made of this.
I’m sure he is covering his “work”!
I think it’s cute that we still are dillutional enough to think we have a 4th amendment to the Constitution.
Thanks to our Microsoft and Google calendars… it would be easy to determine when such a fortuitous conversation might take place.
Then a gentle nudge to the attorney in a suggestive manner to “guide” the dialogue and with Alexa or Siri … or whatever flavor of the week GPS… listening devices that “always have ear” to attend to your beck and call… wa la!… you have detailed content of conversations.
One sided approved or not… dontcha know they are ALL APPROVED with your app download sign offs!!! Even if by association as in a subscription to Disney+ TV indemnifies Disneyland or Disney World from pesky Park lawsuits!!
For goodness sake… even your robot vacuum knows more about your life than it should… and you think it doesn’t share???
Big Brother is here and I tell him off frequently.
Just wait until 6G gets here. But your brain will be so much mush.. you’ll do what it tells you without knowing you’re doing it.
If you need to talk to your attorney.. walk in… or use carrier pigeon.
Enjoy the show.
Has Susie released a statement about this or was unnamed lawyer speaking for ‘himself on her behalf’?
How much more f%$king evidence does this feckless DOJ require to begin the perp walks? Any boxer will tell you that letting an opponent last until the final round usually ends in a loss.
Perhaps a non-corrupt DC (where all this would be) judiciary as a start.
Hope I live long enough for the carpet to unravel..
At least 10 FBI staffers who worked on Mar-a-Lago case are fired, sources say
Update: The FBI fired more people Thursday, with the rough estimate being about a dozen in total over two days.
At least 10 FBI employees who worked on former Special Counsel Jack Smith’s investigation into President Trump’s retention of classified records after he left the White House in 2021 were fired on Wednesday, multiple sources told CBS News.
The firings came after Reuters reported that the FBI had subpoenaed records of phone calls made by FBI Director Kash Patel and White House Chief of Staff Susie Wiles when they were still both private citizens as part of Smith’s probe into Trump.
The Reuters article quoted Patel, who alleged that the FBI had secretly subpoenaed his phone records “using flimsy pretexts and burying the entire process in prohibited case files designed to evade all oversight.” The Reuters article added that it had not independently verified any of Patel’s claims.
All of the FBI agents and analysts who were fired on Wednesday were involved with the classified documents case.
CBS News confirmed with a source familiar with the matter that Wiles’ records were reviewed as part of the documents case, but was unable to verify whether Patel’s were. In the case involving the 2020 election, known as Arctic Frost, Patel’s records were not subpoenaed, the source added.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/at-least-10-fbi-staffers-who-worked-on-mar-a-lago-case-are-fired-sources-say/ar-AA1X5Gaj
I don’t believe the attorney.
They’ve been spying on Donald Trump before he even came down the escalator..
This is how this all works.. they all spy on eachother.. and it’s all quite normalized at this point.
What was the entire Epstein thing about? it’s about information gathering to then use as blackmail, so what is that- spying !!
Lauren Boebert who is supposedly on our side just brazenly took that picture of Hillary Clinton at her hearing and then released it to Benny, what was all that called? How about it’s called “Business As Usual “.
DNI Gabbard? Youre wanted in Mr Patel’s office.
I think you can be pretty certain that this information was gathered the same way much of the surveillance of Trump people was collected: FISA and investigating as a foreign actor. That is how much information was gathered in 2015-2017. Illegal as could be, but when put under the “National Security” banner, it somehow gets overlooked.
If the FBI were to ever admit to illegally gathering evidence, every case in the last 20 years would be reopened, even though they have nothing to do with Trump or National Security.
The FBI does not have the resources to investigate themselves with “Clean Resources”. The corruption is so widespread that Patel is paralyzed.
That is my theory of what is happening.