There is an awful lot to unpack in this seemingly obscure article talking about Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney and a new trade approach he is pitching to Pacific/Asia and Atlantic/European nations. [Story Here]
Before getting to the substance of the outline, something important needs to be shared for context.
Do you remember the 2014, 2015 and 2016 top story conversations and debates over the Transpacific Partnership trade deal known as TPP?
You might also remember the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership trade deal known as TTIP.
The TPP (Pacific) and TTIP (Atlantic) were two major multinational trade deals negotiated between 2013 and 2016. While both sparked plenty of debate, most of the spotlight was on the TPP, the Trans-Pacific Partnership.
Hillary Clinton was in favor of TPP as were most of the traditional republican field of candidates in ’15/’16. However, Donald Trump was strongly against TPP and pledged to exit out of any negotiations and scrap the U.S. participation if he was to win the 2016 election. Some of you may begin to remember this.
Donald Trump agreed with our position, that TPP was being falsely sold as a beneficial 12-nation massive trade agreement between the USA and pacific rim countries including Australia and Southeast Asia nations.
With the history of NAFTA behind us, we could see two major issues with TPP: #1: It was structured with a back door to let China into the deal. And #2) it was created to ensure the USA remained a “service driven economy.”
Supporters of TPP and TTIP claimed this multinational trade deals would create smooth supply chains and align on ‘rules of origin.’ They believed TPP would benefit companies and lead to cheaper products. Critics, however, argued that the agreements were designed to exploit the U.S. consumer market and prevent the country from ever regaining a strong manufacturing base.
I share those reminders to set up the big 800-lb gorilla question.
If the TPP was such a great trade deal for all parties involved, why didn’t the group finalize it after the USA withdrew? It’s been a decade, so why haven’t the TPP nations completed their trade agreement?
The honest answer reveals the undiscussed lie.
Both TPP and TTIP were constructed and designed to keep exploiting the U.S. consumer market. That’s it. That was the entire purpose of TPP (Asia) and TTIP (Europe). Corporations and lobbyists like the U.S. Chamber of Commerce wrote the TPP language to maximize corporate profits. That was the purpose of it.
Take the U.S.A. out of the TPP trade agreement and the purpose/benefit no longer exists. Without the host, there is no need for a feeding agreement between parasites. That’s why a decade has passed and TPP/TTIP went nowhere.
All of that said, suddenly with President Trump positioning to eliminate the USMCA trade agreement, Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney wants to go back to the TPP/TTIP “Rules of Origin” trade framework in order to create an insurance policy against the end of the trilateral USMCA trade agreement.
Now, here is where it gets really interesting. There is no way for Canada to remain in the USMCA and simultaneously commit to a trade agreement with different rules of origin. This means that for Carney to accomplish what he’s reportedly aiming for, the dissolution of the UMCA would already need to be in the works.
USMCA Article 32.10 – Non-Market Country FTA (key provisions):
“A Party intending to negotiate a free trade agreement with a non-market country shall inform the other Parties at least three months prior to commencing negotiations and, upon request, provide information regarding the objectives of those negotiations.
A Party that enters into a free trade agreement with a non-market country shall provide the other Parties with the full text of the agreement prior to signing.
If a Party enters into a free trade agreement with a non-market country, the other Parties may terminate this Agreement on six months’ notice and replace it with a bilateral agreement.” [SOURCE]
The Canadian proposal violates the central tenet of the USMCA. Carney’s proposal can only move forward if the Canadian government has already accepted that the USMCA trade agreement will come to an end.
WASHINGTON – The European Union and a 12-nation Indo-Pacific bloc are opening talks to explore proposals to form one of the largest global economic alliances, multiple people with knowledge of the talks told POLITICO.
Canada is spearheading the discussions after Prime Minister Mark Carney called on middle powers to buck trade war coercion last month, days after Trump threatened to raise tariffs on Denmark’s European allies if it didn’t cede Greenland.
Ottawa is “championing efforts to build a bridge between the Trans-Pacific Partnership [CPTPP] and the European Union, which would create a new trading bloc of 1.5 billion people,” Carney told world leaders and the global business elite in Davos.
The middle powers are taking action. The EU and CPTPP are starting talks this year to strike an agreement to intertwine the supply chains of members like Canada, Singapore, Mexico, Japan, Vietnam, Malaysia and Australia with Europe.
It would bring nearly 40 nations on opposite sides of the globe closer together with the aim of reaching a deal on so-called rules of origin.
These rules determine the economic nationality of a product. A deal would allow manufacturers throughout the two blocs to trade goods and their parts more seamlessly in a low-tariff process known as cumulation. (read more)
In practice, a multilateral trade agreement with “Rules of Origin” involving many countries doesn’t really matter to the USA since our trade deals are bilateral. Other parties can set whatever terms they like, but if they want access to the U.S. market, that’s where we lay out our own specific terms on a one-to-one basis.
The same thing cannot be said for Canada, who is intentionally planning to remain a deindustrialized economy. Canada will import component goods for assembly in Canada, but they will not fabricate much.
Prime Minister Mark Carney is strategically planning to keep Canada dependent on cheap foreign imports.
Colonel Simcoe would not be pleased
How can Xi (“She”) see through those eyes?
If he opens them wider, laser beams blast everything in his sight. Trudumb was a blink away and Carnitas ain’t far behind. PDJT is impervious.
Oh yeah! I forgot!
His team has super powers! This video by Chris Kohl (“Mr. Reagan” on YT) explains it:
Next in a continuing series:
LILLEY: Liberals dead-set on attacking Jamil Jivani over effort to help with Trump
(His trip to Washington put country over party, but Mark Carney’s Liberal government refused the help on offer from Jamil Jivani)
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/liberals-attack-jamil-jivani-help-trump-offer
It will be interesting to see how Sundance’s point, “that US Trade Agreements are bilateral (US with XXX) and not impacted by the multi-national deals being discussed under TPP (Pacific) and TIPP (Atlantic).”
Stepping back it appears carney actually exposed and interesting long-term strategy that may be forming vs the US (no matter who is in the White House).
Past major Multi-National Agreements had the US as the major consuming hub of those agreements, with the US serving as the Global Reserve Currency..
What if China Inc. is seeking to change that hub to have China Inc. and India as the major consuming hubs, while at the same time working to change the base Global Reserve Currency?? This seems to be long term strategic objective being pursued. Like all STRATEGIC, the numerous major TACTICAL-OPERATIONAL campaigns remain to be fought in pursuit of this competing plan.
The emerging agreement would essentially be the TPP+TIPP with China Inc. at the wheel.
Central to this economic war is the Global Reserve Basis …. the value of currency or standard (i.e. Salt, Water, Gold or Silver) is only what the agreeing governments “SAY AND AGREE IT IS”. There is zero magical about any standards that exist or have existed … those standards were created and agreed upon by the nation-states powerful enough STRATEGICALLY to do so.
if the usa elects democrats we will be back in nafta.
We hold all the cards. They will not succeed unless the leftists win here.
End
The GOP establishment supported TPP. And will again once Trump exits.
India & China have Bs of people between them.
Virtually none of those Bs of people can consume the products these failed/failing nations plan to trade.
I choose not to participate in a consumer economy for the simple reason that consuming foreign junk that I do not need helps make oligarchs filthy rich while it makes me poor.
Except China and India have anemic consumers and that’s being kind, soooooooo……………….yeah. Back to the drawing board with the doomsday conspiracy.
The fatal flaw with their plan is that they cannot now, nor in the future, evolve into a consumer society unless the elite give up on their long held goal of enslaving the world and institute the American system; not going to happen. That leaves them the task of subjugating Russia once again like they did with Bolshevism, while also taking out America so they can fully institute slavery here, something they have been attempting since 1776.
As long as Russia holds strong with Putin style leadership, or institutes the American system itself, and America truly converts to Trump’s MAGA philosophy to return to the system we were founded on, they have no path forward.
MAGA!
Change the “consuming hub” from USA to India and Red China? Humm…. I suppose it depends on what the producers want in return for their goods: soft currency (rupees or Yuan) or hard currency (US Dollars).
Good point. But China and India do not have the money to be consuming hubs to replace the US. Also China and Xi are on the edge of large economic and political problems. The purge of the military for example. Their food supply is also dwindling.
Carney euthdraws from. USMCA / CUSMA ==> Alberta withdraws from Canada.
when alberta saw norways oil fund was worth 21 trillion they kicked themselves.
From your lips to GOD’s ears!
The body language in the picture of Carney shaking hands with Xi says much…Xi is actually distancing and leaning away from Carney.
That is normal for Xi Pooh to stand like that when taking pictures with other leaders.
The silent message it sends is that he is the ultimate authority and the one next to him is beneath him.
Carney is being dominated by Xi with that handshake:
Remember the TTP well, I stopped reading Sundances synopsis when he asked the question why didn’t they not go ahead and make deals without the US.. I knew exactly why, will go back and finish the regardless, if the US is not involved there is no one to take advantage of and no wealth to steal.. That’s why ..
Thanks for the history reminder, so much water under the bridge since I last read about this.
Your last sentence, the Canadian PM intentionally keeping his own country as a service economy permanently dependent on imports, is sad; what nation’s leaders would place their people at such a disadvantage? (Aside from Obama, Biden, and their cohort globalists who hate us I mean.)
“what nation’s leaders would place their people at such a disadvantage?“
The same anti human leaders that embrace a “MAID” program to murder their own (white) population, including their children.
Has Carney told Canadian workers that they should learn to code yet?
That’ll be a waste of their time. They’ll be importing Caste Indians & ChiComs to do that until AI takes over.
I was just thinking about that. Calling my utilities…speaking to a fluent American for decades, then an inaudible English speaking foreigner, now a computer generated English speaking computer (press 2 for Spanish)….
As well as Mandarin as a third language. After English and French.
Arabic may be the current third language in Quebec already, moving to number 2. (So much for Laval.)
Only to note that a “service economy” is an economy of servants. Once the servants depart, who’s left to make the beds , cook the meals and take out the trash. Good luck, Mr. Prime Minister.
Very excellently said.
Let’s look, instead, at: “M[A]GA!” In other words: “Make [your_country] Great, Again!” To make up for lost time when lost and greedy predecessors utterly lost it. Is that so much to ask? NO.
As Dr. Chester used to say in “in-flight magazines,” when airlines routinely still had such a thing: “In life, you don’t get what you deserve. You get what you negotiate.”
Well, lo and behold, we now have (again …) a US President who made billions of dollars by … “Negotiating!” 😲 And I think that he is now making Fools and Simpletons of “the Rest of them.”
(“Treaty after treaty after treaty” … they are garbage! Crafted by individuals who had not the slightest idea what they were doing. As Trump instantly recognized.)
Perhaps, when the sun finally sets on this wretched Canadian man, God Himself will embrace him and say, “Thank you for saving My planet!” But somehow I don’t think that will happen …
If as some visionaries report ( https://shumer.dev/something-big-is-happening ) that A.I is going to eliminate MOST WHITE COLLAR “service” jobs SOONER rather than LATER , then, fast tracking manufacturing seems like the survival play…..but can we create & bring ENOUGH ACTUAL GDP BENEFITTING MANUFACTURING online BEFORE ROBOTICS closes the gap as AI is purportedly doing?? ….the question begging to be answered……and can our exports compete economically abroad…..or are we just whistling past the graveyard….?
as mentioned are the duplicitous politicians in office here NOW….just waiting MAGA/DJT et al out to revert back to Globalist proclivities…..?
You can’t just open the box and tell the robot “weld that”. It requires an experienced welder to program it, oversee, and maintain it.
The huge flaw in their plan is fatigue, particularly structural. Their viruses can’t differentiate between an engineer and a dope addict. Who will maintain the private jets? Even more importantly….who will maintain the HVAC…global warming and all.
Apparently globalists have a plan to get there but no clue what to do once they’ve arrived.
A dozen years ago, a cabal of the media, globalist oligarchs and the WEF, had crushed the Tea Party to the extent that any Republican politician hoping to dip his ladle into the gravy train had to support open borders, (we all remember Jeb Bush’s contention that illegal crossings were “an act of love,” don’t we?), NAFTA…and TTP/TTIP! Then Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton went so far as to call TTP “the gold standard” of trade agreements!
But when Donald Trump’s political laser cut through the obfuscating smoke and put a stop to all the delusional thinking, calling out the trio of open borders, NAFTA and the then-pending TTP as the disasters they were…presidential candidate, Hillary Clinton, suddenly opposed both TTP and TTIP!
In other words, Clinton FAFO!
Mark Carney is about to do the same…albeit kicking and screaming the whole way as he is dragged to Trump’s reality!
As Sundance says, the proponents of TTP/TTIP have had over a decade to pass it without US participation and declined to do so!
So why would they do it now? Because of Mark Carney’s gravitas?
Reality bites!
“Tea Party” is not “MAGA.” It is not “a movement.” The notion of “Make America Great Again” is a national policy statement that must be exercised now with great urgency.
Which any “seasoned negotiator” would implicitly know. Except that we haven’t had such a person on the [international …] field who knew one single thing about the art of “negotiation” … until now.
(The “present player” wrote several excellent books about it!)
“Bottom Line™”: If you are not out there, championing [your_country], in every single thing that you do and that you negotiate, then nobody else ever will. (They will be too busy taking advantage of you …)
Obviously, we have some inept players “still standing on the stage.” Such as the Canadians, who are rooting for [China] instead of [their_country]. Likewise many of the Europeans, who think that [climate] (whatever that’s supposed to mean …) is king. But we must never follow these people into the pit that they have dug for themselves.
Soon enough, they’re the ones who are going to be screaming for a life-ring, and we’ve (once again) got to be the saviors who are still in a boat.
The Tea Party isn’t MAGA but I consider both to be movements…and so does Trump. I mentioned the Tea Party because a dozen or so years ago most Tea Party members were generally opposed to both NAFTA and TPP.
Globalism vs Sovereignty.
Globalists want One World Government where there is no Borders languages and Cultures, they want homogenization uniformed everything will be the same and they will control it. We have seen the Globalists vision in their futuristic movies, its bizarre far-fetched and never will happen.
Sovereigns, want Borders Languages and Cultures and not one world government, we view borders languages and cultures as beautiful things, that make our world most interesting as God intended. Rev: 21, The “Nations” will walk by its light, and the kings will bring their splendor into it! Notice it does not say on world government.
If you look at the populations of the United States of America Mexico Central America and South America, we are talking 1 billion plus and that is leaving out 40 million Canadians. Mybe the Canadians can sell their snow and ice to Africa, dump it in the Sahara Desert.
One has to wonder why Carney doesn’t market the stuff he’s smoking…..he wouldn’t need his day job anymore.
Remember TPP well.
Exact reason voting TRUMP first time. His opponent was for it.
Yep, single issue voter that election.
I saw this in a tweet earlier this morning and now I’ve memorized it…….
Carney was installed as PM to set Canada up as the US’s Ukraine.
Thank you Sundance for explaining so much cutting to the lies of the globalist liars. We appreciate all you do for America.
Canada is the cat’s paw of Great Britain. We are in a Cold War with Grest Britain. As the moves in Canada reveal, Great Britain is our implacable enemy.
Likely someone in Canada realizes they cannot build or fabricate without cheap inputs, and those cheap inputs will never be domestic under the globalization and financialization perspectives upheld by the Canadian elites.
Is Carney married to a trans being? Did I see this on the internet?
Carney will be forced out of office in less than 18 months. While they continue to fool themselves that they have found an “end-around” PDJT, they fail to see the forest through the trees. China’s economy is failing & they may be forced to move on Taiwan much sooner than they would’ve wanted to (post a Trump or MAGA administration). This will leave Canada without a chair when the music stops having aligned themselves on the wrong side of history.
Canada is placing themselves in a doom spiral & only a few in power up there can see it. Alberta will be out soon.
Not doubting you, but I would like to see the details on how china’s economy is failing
They can squirm, posture, and LARP all they want. Without Papi Trump, they are impotent and will remain zeros. China, Canada, India, EU- whoever.
What happens when an entire nation is treated like a company bought out by a private equity firm? Customers can still go elsewhere; citizens can’t.
U.S as a “Service Driven Economy” = U.S. citizens as servants = slavery
Carney is there for one reason and only for one reason, and that would be to make money for himself and his buddies through Brookfield.
The Chicoms are going to let you down Mark; like the liquor let down Mr. Lahey.
Carney makes Justin look manly.
Perhaps, this explains Trump’s administrative EPA support to prevent Canadian mining company from opening mine in Alaska due to negative salmon impacts, reversing his administration’s prior action.
https://alaskabeacon.com/2025/07/12/in-court-filing-trump-administration-hints-at-a-lifeline-for-embattled-pebble-project/
Sundance, is this possible?
My guess is Trump and Team put poison pills in every agreement with every country, so important countries can’t join the rebellion
And don’t ever forget it was Paul Ryan and TED CRUZ who co-wrote and introduced the TPA bill into congress. TPA was a way to get the votes very quickly and with a lower vote threshold as well in order to fast track the TPP into law. This would’ve killed the USA. Let that sink in….. TED CRUZ was for this. TED CRUZ co-authored the bill! It was published on home page of Paul Ryan’s Senate website.
Ted says he supported the TPA but opposed the TPP. The problem is, as you say, they were linked.
TPA Ted, I remember that one fondly……..He’s still a loser!
lol, that was funny
I am getting the feeling that Carney has always been working towards selling Canada out to the Chinese where he can then take his half and retire to the coast of the Mediterranean or something. Big finance guys like to sell off assets for personal gain. China owning Canada would not work out with Trump in office but he only has 2.5 years left…
After the US withdrew, didn’t the other countries reach agreement on a revised version in January 2018, known as the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP), which retained most of the original TPP’s provisions but suspended some (particularly certain intellectual property rules pushed by the US)
Sad for Canadians but this is what comes of having to always be so nice even when your sovereignty is being sold out from under you.
We are headed towards war with Canada.
It has now become crystal clear, we are bordered by hostile (failed and failing) nations.
Katie bar the door(s)