As with all information during high-stakes negotiations, particularly ones covered in geopolitics, trillions at stake and power dynamics on this scale, it is prudent to ignore most media reporting and focus on the public statements from the negotiators.
German Chancellor Fredrich Merz seated right next to Zelenskyy, highlighting the oppositional nature of the U.S. vs EU position during negotiations.
STEVE WITKOFF – Official Readout: “The meeting in Berlin between President Zelenskyy, Special Envoy Witkoff, Jared Kushner, and delegations from the United States and Ukraine lasted over five hours. Representatives held in-depth discussions regarding the 20-point plan for peace, economic agendas, and more. A lot of progress was made, and they will meet again tomorrow morning.”
Official Readouts are the statements that all parties agree to. The “readout” is not a shaping statement giving insight into the deal itself, but rather a status statement of the discussions surrounding the deal.
Team Zelenskyy have been waging a public relations campaign to retain support from echo-chambered EU politicians. The focus is continuation of funding, essentially money. Team Trump have been less public and approaching the negotiations with prudent pragmatism; less PR more substance; their focus is an end to the killing. These are two distinctly different priority sets.
DW NEWS – Sunday’s discussions in Berlin between Ukrainianand US officials on ending Russia’s war in Ukraine have concluded for the night, with the talks set to continue on Monday.
In a message sent to reporters over WhatsApp, Ukrainian presidential adviser Dmytro Lytvyn, said the talks “went on for more than five hours and ended for today with an agreement to resume tomorrow morning.”
Lytvyn added Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy would comment on the discussions on Monday once they were completed. (source)
Where is Marco Rubio? Secretary of State is not Secretarying.
I’m hoping to hear that he’s in Moscow having a one on one with Putin.
His absence remains notable, and does little to quell the rumors.
He’s busy with Monroe Doctrine 2.0
I’m curious why it’s ok for the US to prevent any relationships between countries in our western hemisphere with China, Russia, etc., but we publicly commit to forming alliances in East Asia to contain China from expanding its role as a world power? The Monroe Doctrine as initially established never dreamed of the US sticking its fingers into every corner of the world. Clearly there is no rational reason for it other than our desire to dominate the globe, the exact thing the Monroe Doctrine was established to prevent. Not much MAGA in that as billions must go into supporting all those alliances Trump is trying to create in Asia to keep China down.
We are in the “Emissary” mode (Witkoff)
Marco comes into play to codify into law”diplomatic speak”
The emissary has a more trusted relationship with Trump and therefore more tools to navigate discussions way beyond State Dept / US foreign policy expertise. Kushner being brought in to negotiate economic aspects adds depth to the high level dealmaking that is going on, especially with those not at the table.
Zelensky was a bulwark against hindering the money pit that is the bankers war. Now he is the little tyke with his finger in the dyke and the water is rising fast. Elected leader my old aunt Rosy’s hat box. Stop the pretending.
Merz: “It may be even more difficult with his (Trump’s) successor.” He is perfectly happy to keep the killing going for another three years. These people are mentally ill.
This coalition of the willing nonsense is beginning to grate. Merz being told to leave sounds like a good idea.
After what he said yesterday, I would imagine his warmongering is most unwelcome!
Great news. There is nothing that our vassal could add anyways. Yap, yap, yap. The only ‘security guarantee’ that Zelensky cares about is his own hide and his stolen money. He obviously could give a sh_t about the people of Ukraine.
Merz, trying to play Mr. Blackrock when Larry Fink is already at the high table.
Ukraine, you wanna keep the world going no problem. Britain, Germany, France, all your leaders and your families will march to the front and do the fighting plus every one of those three countries will donate all they have in money to keep the work going Mr. Z Man, he will be putting in front of the line You and all those in your government who want the war that all carry on.
Z needs to ride a bomb into battle Chill Wills style.
All Weazelinsky is ever going to do is jerk us around. Why even bother with him? Tell him to relinquish power or all support will be withdrawn immediately. Why should we support a little dictator?
“Weazelinsky”. Ha! Great moniker. Thank you.
Total and complete absurdity.
Its Okay to Laugh sometimes… 😛
🚨This Weeks Moscow Mules🚨
The Clown show goes into overdrive as pretending Zelensky isn’t corrupt and is winning, is the EU’s plan
The Poles burn the Narcofuhrer
We visit the Centre of Freedom, Democracy, liberty and Human rights called Ukraine (don’t laugh)
But do enjoy
That was good, although I wasn’t impressed by their insults of Trump. Was it supposed to be satire about the drug boats?
If this round of negotiations fail and / or are sabotaged by the EU demand for a US security guarantee backstop, Trump should pull the plug completely.
If the EU truly wants to continue the war to keep the laundromat open for corruption, then they can put their people and money on the line.
This “game” has gone on long enough, they may not care about the lives lost, but we are not willing to sacrifice ours. Best of luck to you. The result will be the same, except more lives will be lost.
The arrogance of Zelensky and his “coalition of the willing” is insufferable.
It’s easy to be arrogant when you’re wagering US citizens’ lives and not your own.
It’s always easier to gamble away someone else’s money, well, until you realize you have been making empty bets and the house wants to collect.
Trump needs to show them they are making empty bets.
Endless meetings, with the expectation that the USA will continue the infusion of cash, tech, and armaments. Plus, boots on the ground.
Z and the limp Eurocrats have no leverage. Time to wrap it up.
No. It’s a complete sentence. Let’s use it.
The Emu and Zelensky keep playing us.
President Trump should walk away from Zelenskyy if our Republican warmonger Senators allow him. Ukraine, although it impeached him, is now on Trump’s lap. No guarantees of anything dear Jared please. Alliance entanglements ignited WW I.
It’s all a diversion tactic, trying to set Trump up for something. Last chance z and EU, time to exit and work on the home front. Keeping Trump advisors side tracked instead of getting more accomplished here at home!
They are setting Americans up for death.
The people that made grandma die alone have no shame. Scary really.
If The President goes for the security guarantee you’ll know. I’m sick of the charade.
Maybe, but some time last week the Ukrainian cokehead globalist puppet mentioned “US Congress’s” involvement in Ukraine’s continued support. All those cash kickbacks paid to US politicians from the US taxpayer funds flushed through that corrupt dump were supposed to buy more “support”.
Game of Thrones theater. All of it.
Agree
The uniparty can see the writing on the wall, but they stubbornly hang on because the midterms are less than a year away and nobody wants Ukraine to become a non-issue. I predict we will begin to see clips of PDJT47 boasting that he will end the war within 24 hours of taking office as a talking point attacking his record.
If they do it won’t work for them.
He’s already defused that with his calm offhand, frequent, and _true_ statement that Ukraine has turned out to be more difficult than the eight other wars he’s stopped.
No need to focus on what the enemy will attempt as a smear. Their noise has become inconsequential.
Nor to accuse PDJT of “boasting” and thus expose disdain for him. Kind of makes the “prediction “ sound a little, well, gleeful.
Let me guess, you’re the person who decides who is the most MAGA?
Thanks Karen, but I don’t need your snark. Pointing out Trump’s boast about his ability to end the war isn’t disdainful, it’s honest. Not to mention, it was a big part of why some folks voted for him, not stopping eight other wars.
I daresay their noise is not “inconsequential” when nearly half of the ballots counted were cast for the other guy.
You better start working on your deflection now to have it perfected for July when there’s yet another round of endless adversarial talks between the US and EU aimed at stopping this while the socialists scream that the war would be over and won by Ukraine if it wasn’t for the meddling of unprofessional diplomats in the Trump administration.
start calling them what they are– not security guarantees, they are annuities.
Zelenskyy doesn’t want the cash flow stopped. Whose “security is being discussed? Enough of the US buying whatever Zelensky is selling. He and US ;politicians should have been able to steal enough of US largess already ,
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Kushner and Witkoff aren’t there for patty cake. They’re seeing if there’s even a possibility to get the sides in the same universe.
I doubt they’re happy having to deal with the Europeans and I doubt they’re giving anything away.
Undoubtably they’re also communist with the Russians during all of this
So, after five hours of talking they agree that they need to do more talking.
Trumps commitment to peace is crazy. As much as I’m sure most of us want ukr and eu dropped completely but I suspect trump knows if that happens they deliberately escalate to full blown ww3.
Most people don’t appreciate what’s going on. Witkoff and kushner have to get workable concessions out of ukr and the Europeans WHILE offering enough bs to allow them, to allow Ukraine to go to negotiations.
The European globalists control Ukraine. They have no real economic or military power but they do control Ukraine. Trump has to basically get eu permission to take Ukraine on a date. Once they’re at the table that’s when the US will really squeeze Ukraine
I get the dry heaves reading about security guarantees and more money. Can I crash this meeting ?
I’m not as smart as anybody there, but I know what is needed.
I would tell everyone there are no security guarantees, no more money for anything. Learn to get along with your neighbors, put the interests of your citizens first. Live within your means. Everybody is bankrupt, can’t print your way out.
Check the price of gold and silver. Reality check.
We have Somali scammers and Democrats and their pets BLM+Antifa +NGOs that need more money than we can print.
You’re out of luck.
Zelenskyy and his gang need to exit the way Mussolini exited.
Nobody is the least bit concerned about any Ukrainian, Russian or NATO contractor dying.
It’s just about money, power, corruption, and indulging perversion for the very few at the expense of all those surplus eaters.
Remember that EU scandal when the Agency got caught intercepting Merkel’s phone calls? I think it was Director Gates that went on TV and got asked: Why does the United States spy on its ally Germany? And he dropped the truth bomb: Because you are (the Germans) corrupt. Maybe it was Haden on a Sunday show. Anyways, maybe Ratcliff can have the Agency do some good for a change, and blow the lid off all this EU/Ukraine corruption, right to the top, and get our war mongers in congress too, you just know the outfit has the goods (heck they probably have signed receipts for the direct bribes). In this post 9/11 world there is no way you can hide this amount of corruption and money shuffling. Gotta be hard for WitKoff and Kushner to listen to these ‘leaders’ – knowing they all have hands in the till. Let governments fall, let congressmen resign, just end this ridiculous corrupt war. My hunch is the people of the EU feel the same.
How many times does Germany have to lose before its political class learns to get along ?
Thank you, Sundance!
Ultimately, they simply want American boots on the ground – and, oh by the way, lots and lots of American m-o-n-e-y. Imagine that.
I hope that Trump plays them along for a little while, as they make their desires more and more clear. Then, firmly shuts the door.
Somehow, we have never learned George Washington’s lesson about “foreign entanglements.” No pointless-to-us “entanglement” could be more clear. This is a boundary dispute between two Slavic nations, and deliberately-hostile acts by a no-longer-defensive NATO Alliance which should have long ago been disbanded. We have no dog in this fight, and we should not give blood nor treasure to it.
NATO’s present actions are clearly offensive in nature, seeking to surround Russia on every accessible side so that armies and weapons can be transported over “friendly” territory as they seek to “conquer Russia.” Our only involvement in the original NATO was to assist in defense, but that is clearly not what NATO is seeking now. We should withdraw from NATO, with Congressional approval.
Furthermore – if we cut off “Starlink” and stopped providing technical assistance, the war would quickly end because it could not, technically speaking, continue. We can literally stop it by pushing a few buttons.
The problem is neither Ukraine nor Russia. It’s Europe. The war could have been over months ago were it not for their interference. JD and the NSS are correct. Cut them loose.
EU Globalists Threaten to Dump $2.34 Trillion in U.S. Debt to Stop Trump’s Ukraine Peace Deal
Then perhaps President Trump could counter by saying, “Fine. We’ll just withdraw from NATO and save a boatload of money there.”
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One of the biggest lessons in all of this should be right in front of every Americans eyeballs! That the headlines having the most impact negatively are caused by DEMONCRATS! From Minnesota to Ukraine these Somolians and Unkrainians are dueling for US taxpayer dollars and laughing in our faces. Cold anger maybe, but how can anyone ever vote for a DEMONCRAT again. Statement not a question……
ps. the headlines with the most positive impact are from President Donald J. Trump. The winning continues!!!
This whole theater has brought absurdity to a new level. This coarse and insulting (abusive) little, negligible, midget, Napoleonic, narcissistic, nematode parasite needs to shut his lying mouth and crawl back under the slimy rock he originally came from!
I am weary of this perverted druggies illusions of grandeur. He needs to just disappear permanently. He is so inconsequential to even be included in these negotiations, along with the other nincompoops from the eu.
This back and forth has to be finalized by eliminating and not encouraging these haughty, arrogant, supercilious children. Just negotiate with the adults!
Okay my rant is over. Now for a nice cup of coffee.
You’d think his own people would get sick of the death and destruction, and the decimation of the population of their own young men, and give him a Mussolini party.
Ignore Zelensky. Tell Europe to go pound sand and if they want to attack Russia, good luck with that.
USA and Russia should sit down and decide how this ends.
No other countries have any impact on the outcome.
Walk the hell away!!!! Trump should have done it day one of his term…the Euros are all talk…there will never be peace as long as the Intel puppet is in place…walk away…the euros have nothing . The Ukrainian people will dump Z in the first days.. within 24 hours of a new leader trump will swoop in and the war is over in 24 hours!
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If
…and emphasis on if it is found to be fair to both Russia and Ukraine,
negotiations should be equal on both sides.
Frozen assets that have been seized by governments
must abide by international laws.
Reparations will be given in a equal manner,
Ukraine(EU+Willing+NATO) have destroyed and killed Russia assets.
Russia had destroyed and killed Ukrainian assets.
Security guarantees should not be reliant on US.
Ukraine has to be held to account for its own security.
EU+Willing+NATO can’t be in control of another nations security
unless it is determined by an agreement between those nations.
Now about those children…An accounting must be made whether
a country has illegally seized a child or if the parents of said child
has been compliant in selling/giving that child.
War is not a good thing, and the two forces that fight when that war
is ended must acknowledge the win/loss of territory. It is what it is…
So at the final agreement put in place to stop that war; that is where
the line is drawn, until another war starts and the agreement is broken.
Sigh, I’m probably not the best negotiator, but have raised my family
and as the elder have brokered many situations to come to solutions.
😛 Thank you for your attention to this matter. 😛