The global intelligence motive (5 Eyes) would be laughable if it were not so transparent. In an effort to create problems for President Trump and the Ukraine-Russia peace negotiations, an unknown intelligence agency intercepted the call then provided a recording to Bloomberg News.
The intercept was not likely U.S-based, or the leak would be to a different media outlet (WaPo, NYT or Politico). The Bloomberg angle indicates a likely EU intelligence source, with one of the “coalition of the willing” (U.K, France, Germany, or Brussels) the most likely suspect. Given the nature of the intercept, and the intent behind the leak, the British seem the most likely of sources.
The phone call itself is generally a non-issue. Essentially President Trump emissary Steve Witkoff and Russian Foreign Policy Advisor Yuri Ushakov were discussing the best way for their two principals (Trump and Putin) to connect and discuss the potential for a peace plan on October 14, 2025.
Between the margins there’s something we have discussed at length on these pages, a coordinated messaging campaign between the Trump administration and the Putin administration with both private objectives and public statements aligned in common purpose. The call itself is solid affirmation of our prior analysis of the relationship.
As we have long discussed, both President Trump and President Putin want to end the conflict. However, the EU, NATO, British, French, German govts, as well as the U.S. congress and Ukraine want to keep the war continuing.
President Trump and President Putin both understand the nature of each other’s political position. Thus, their communication is coordinated in public with back-channel messaging organized by their emissaries.
The October 14th call between the emissaries was intercepted, and with the Trump administration having brought Ukraine into the proximity of agreement, the call is leaked in an effort to weaken the plan sponsored by President Trump, Secretary Rubio and Emissary Witkoff. Some unknown intelligence agency doesn’t want the peace deal to be finalized.
The transcript was prepared after Bloomberg reviewed a recording of the call.
[phone rings]
Steve Witkoff: Hi Yuri.
Yuri Ushakov: Yeah Steve hi, how are you?
SW: Good Yuri. How you doing?
YU: I am ok. Congratulations my friend.
SW: Thank you.
YU: You made a great job. Just a great job. Thank you so much. Thank you, thank you.
SW: Thank you Yuri and thanks for your support. I know your country supported it and I thank you.
YU: Yes, yes, yes. Yes. You know that’s why we suspend the organization of first Russian-Arabic summit.
SW: Yes.
YU: Yeah, because we think that you are making the real job there in the region.
SW: Well listen. I am going to tell you something. I think, I think if we can get the Russia-Ukraine thing solved, everybody’ll be jumping for joy.
YU: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you need to solve only one problem. [laughs]
SW: What?
YU: Russian-Ukrainian war.
SW: I know! How do we get that solved?
YU: My friend, I just want your advice. Do you think that it will be useful if our bosses will talk on the phone?
SW: Yes, I do.
YU: You do. And when you think it could be possible?
SW: I think as soon as you suggest, my guy is ready to do it.
YU: Ok, ok.
SW: Yuri, Yuri, here’s what I would do. My recommendation.
YU: Yes, please.
SW: I would make the call and just reiterate that you congratulate the president on this achievement, that you supported it, you supported it, that you respect that he is a man of peace and you’re just, you’re really glad to have seen it happen. So I would say that. I think from that it’s going to be a really good call.
Because — let me tell you what I told the President. I told the president that you – that the Russian Federation has always wanted a peace deal. That’s my belief. I told the president I believe that. And I believe the question is — the issue is is that we have two nations that are having a hard time coming to a compromise and when we do, we’re going to have a peace deal. I’m even thinking that maybe we set out like a 20-point peace proposal, just like we did in Gaza. We put a 20-point Trump plan together that was 20 points for peace and I’m thinking maybe we do the same thing with you. My point is this…
YU: Ok, ok my friend. I think that very point our leaders could discuss. Hey Steve, I agree with you that he will congratulate, he will say that Mr. Trump is a real peace man and so and so. That he will say.
SW: But here’s what I think would be amazing.
YU: Ok, ok.
SW: What if, what if… hear me out…
YU: I will discuss that with my boss and then I come back to you. Ok?
SW: Yeah because listen to what I’m saying. I just want you to say, maybe just to say this to President Putin, because you know I have the deepest respect for President Putin.
YU: Yes, Yes.
SW: Maybe he says to President Trump: you know, Steve and Yuri discussed a very similar 20-point plan to peace and that could be something that we think might move the needle a little bit, we’re open to those sorts of things — to explore what it’s going to take to get a peace deal done. Now, me to you, I know what it’s going to take to get a peace deal done: Donetsk and maybe a land swap somewhere. But I’m saying instead of talking like that, let’s talk more hopefully because I think we’re going to get to a deal here. And I think Yuri, the president will give me a lot of space and discretion to get to the deal.
YU: I see…
SW: …so if we can create that opportunity that after this I talked to Yuri and we had a conversation I think that could lead to big stuff.
YU: Ok, that sounds good. Sounds good.
SW: And here’s one more thing: Zelenskiy is coming to the White House on Friday.
YU: I know that. [chuckles]
SW: I will go to that meeting because they want me there, but I think if possible we have the call with your boss before that Friday meeting.
YU: Before, before — yeah?
SW: Correct.
YU: Ok, ok. I got your advice. So I discuss that with my boss and then I come back to you, ok?
SW: Ok Yuri, I’ll speak to you soon.
YU: Great, great. Thank you so much. Thanks you.
SW: Bye, bye.
YU: Bye.
[Call Ends]
As you can see the content is a ridiculous nothingburger. The two guys who are supposed to be talking together are talking together; about the stuff they are supposed to be organizing on behalf of their bosses. {{Insert Eyeroll Here}}
It’s a “nothingburger” unless you are a stakeholder who wants to block the intentions of the phone coordination, which is a peace agreement. In that framing, the phone call provides the opportunity to shout, “Ah Ha! They’re in cahoots against Ukraine,” or something.
(Via Bloomberg) – Asked about Witkoff’s approach, Trump said he hadn’t reviewed the call but that he heard it was a “standard negotiation.”
“He’s got to sell this to Ukraine. He’s going to sell Ukraine to Russia. That’s what a dealmaker does,” Trump told reporters Tuesday. “You got to say, look, they want this, you got to convince them of this. I would imagine he’s saying the same thing to Ukraine, because each party has to give and take.”
[…] Trump said Tuesday he was directing Witkoff to meet with Putin, in the hopes of finalizing a peace plan.
“The original 28-Point Peace Plan, which was drafted by the United States, has been fine-tuned, with additional input from both sides, and there are only a few remaining points of disagreement,” the president said in a post on Truth Social. (more)
It's a nothingburger from the perspective of the intent of the leak and article…. However, from the angle that we have all expected – the global intelligence community effort to stop any peace agreement – this makes complete sense.
Hey, Five Eyes! https://t.co/lwS2EHQeF1 pic.twitter.com/x1nKDDm9gg
— TheLastRefuge (@TheLastRefuge2) November 26, 2025
Deep state intel officials are running a leak operation against @SteveWitkoff just as they did against @GenFlynn.
It’s the exact same tactics they used in Crossfire Hurricane.
This is why @FBIDirectorKash @AGPamBondi MUST hold every single government criminal who participated…
— Jason D. Meister 🇺🇸 (@jason_meister) November 26, 2025
This story is just the latest example of a long-running series of 100% fake news reports claiming a rift inside the Trump administration over how to end the war in Ukraine.
These people don’t just get things wrong, they literally make things up. https://t.co/C6CqXQW4HG
— Marco Rubio (@marcorubio) November 26, 2025
Stopping this type of thing sounds like a good excuse for carrying out a large purge of the CIA.
Should have been done during the FIRST WEEK of PDJT’s second term….along with the FBI and DOJ.
I fear it may be too late now.
5eyes gotta get crushed. Supposed to be intel sharing agreement. Instead they formed a cartel, with unlimited funds forcibly taken from our paychecks and the paychecks of the people in Europe and Australia who still work at jobs. Everything they do is Evil.
5 Eyes is: the U.S., Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and U.K.
I’d says this leak is either British or Canadian.
it is. One year in the can and basically one year remaining with Radcliff, Blonde, and Bollywood running their “kiss Trump’s ass” shows. If the democrats take the house or the senate, the last two years for Trump will be lotsa nothing with lotsa help from the “minority party” GOP.
You can never go wrong betting on the C I A. Shunning Z was a major blow; President Trump has got this.
Saying “CIA”, though, doesn’t identify who IS the CIA. There must be several factions.
Shut it down and start over with a clear mission and new people
Yeah, like TOTALLY eliminate it!
Might be best to just scatter the CIA to the four winds. I’m sure there would not be any consequences for that.
I thought they had the use of encrypted phones.
And the phones were provided by who? And the encryption they use was developed by who? Just having encrypted phones does not mean the wrong people are not listening.
Maybe it is time to hire a 14 year-old hacker to find out
Yes, maybe. But do it before they hire the 14-year old first.
Maybe they should start using a ham radio to communicate like other people do?
Like Nellie Ohr?
Burn it all down and start again. Every last institution and screw Krash Patel and his “good FBLie people.” He only knows what his huneypot cowgirl singer tells him and is as complicit in all of this as the rest of them. Blondi too, she’s just…I can’t with people that continue to surrender their ability for free thinking and analyzing.
Even on these pages, while I do recognize many long time Treepers, the number of questionable commenters has grown exponentially sus the last few months.
You know, I think that if information is classified, you have broken Federal law whether you were the one who “leaked” it, or(!) if you are any media outlet which subsequently publishes it or anything based on it. It should be a “hot potato.”
Particularly in the arena of “negotations of any sort, and especially international,” security and the expectation of privacy are profoundly important. Therefore, if your media outlet publishes that “leak,” your editors and your Board of Directors should be promptly arrested, and face “twenty years.”
And, if you made it all up, just to interfere with the negotiations, you should face “five years.”
With no possibility of parole. Either information security matters, or it is worthless.
He actually goes into it [!] here:
If this is the best they can come up with, the war will be over very soon.
I agree – pretty lame and desperate.
I would seriously suspect Canada as a member of the ”Five Eyes” network of intentionally leaking this. The US does not completely trust the sharing of intel with the Five Eyes.
Trump’s intel chief freezes out Five Eyes allies on Ukraine
”August 22, 2025 5:10 pm CET
By Antoaneta Roussi
”U.S. Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard is blocking America’s closest intelligence allies from receiving updates on Russia-Ukraine peace talks in a shock move that upends decades of tight cooperation.
That effectively cuts America’s Five Eyes partners — the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia and New Zealand — out of the loop, stunning the intelligence community that has relied on the network since the end of World War II.”
Kicking Canada out of Five Eyes and NORAD?
”On 7 March, The New York Times reported on a 3 February conversation between the American Secretary of Commerce, Howard Lutnick, and Canada’s finance minister, Dominic Leblanc. During the call, Lutnick reportedly warned Leblanc that President Donald Trump was considering removing Canada from the Five Eyes intelligence sharing compact. Lutnick also reportedly told Leblanc that the President was reviewing the binational North American Aerospace Defence Command (NORAD).”
It is often said that where there’s smoke, there is usually a fire.
Canada would “botch” it.
Aye?
Bloomberg is a traitor.
Why don’t we hear from Ratcliffe? Too establishment for my taste.
I just had to….
Sundance eyerolling…
(I as well, and I bet everyone else here.)
Pepe Escobar today on the increasing weakness and irrelevance of the EU and the almost superhuman patience of President Putin since the beginning of the MIC/NATO/DS Proxy War. He is playing a much longer game than any of those are who are little by little losing their grip.
Desperate “men” (Macron, Merz, Starmer, each with intractable and growing problems in their own countries) relegated by President Trump to the hallway while the principals attempt to end this terrible, costly war.
Of course it was the EU leaders who listened in then leaked…their hold on power is at stake and much more besides.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-european-matryoshka-irrelevance
Time to dig up all the dirt on Bloomberg and take them to the cleaners.
For how much longer does Little Marco get to play both sides?
Can you post your supporting data upon which you based that comment?
I am pretty happy with him personally
‘America First’ is not happy with Ukraine, Gaza, Iran, Venezuela.
Your neocon friends seem pretty happy
Both sides of what?
…of foreign policy.
Remember when they used to tell us that ‘war was good for the economy? Well, it isn’t
Only one side is getting played: MAGA. The senate unanimously confirmed him, 99-0, because they knew he would keep the Ukraine war going, and the Ukraine war puts millions in the pockets of the senators. So far, Little Marco has kept up his end of the bargain.
Man am I sick and tired of the Western intelligence agencies. They think they run and control the entire world. They and all of their controlled customers — Zelensky, Starmer, Merz, Macron, von der Leyen et al. — are grifting ever larger amounts of money from the Western citizenry.
The only way this stops is if the American military and ITS intelligence agency can forcefully expose the treasonous activities of the CIA, MI6, Mossad and then move to shut it down.
It’s only gonna get a lot worse.
They do actually. Run the entire world.
They run it right into the ground… every time.
Sundance writes: “an unknown intelligence agency intercepted the call then provided …..”
JMO.
It just magnifies the importance of firing all of the thousands and thousands of carryover biden weaponizing thugs in the FBI, DOJ and CIA. Bondi, patel and ratcliffe have got to be removed and replaced with honest MAGA / America First patriots.
Law and order can’t be restored in the 2025 Executive Branch with the DOJ, FBI and CIA departments loaded with treasonous carryovers from biden.
MAGA / America First isn’t just our motto, it is our duty!
Have faith in the Lord.
As a dear, deceased friend told me years ago – I know what the Bible says, and though I do worry about the country I know how it all will turn out in the end.
The apostle Paul said, “for me to live is Christ, and to die is gain”
Paul never stopped working.
It is clear that CIA and UK intel are working together to ensure the war continues. But as Sundance says, it is such an OBVIOUS ploy, it is almost as if they have no arrows left in their quivers so they launched a pretend arrow.
Some might even hypothesize the “good guys” are already in control…….
May I suggest the stinkin’ rotten’ brattish so called secret service are behind this as us every effort to denigrate President Trump and try to continue any war w3hich benefits the city of londonstan.
Who can forget the time, was it the buffoon Boris ? who stopped the previous cease fire in You Krane.
So yes, it would be our satanic lot who leaked this.
This is, without a doubt, a UK effort.
The City of London dispatched Julia Hartley-Brewer from TalkTV Live and Cormac Smith (former advisor, Ukrainian Foreign Ministry) to ridicule the effort and PDJT. It was pretty disgusting.
Julia started by framing the call as PDJT getting too pleased with himself about what happened in Gaza with that 20-point plan and Emissary Witkoff explaining how to keep “the sun king” happy by flattering him.
Cormac then proceeded to stress that, “there is a lot of information coming to light now,” that Emissary Witkoff has, “…links to the Kremlin and the Russian mafia in real estate deals that go back decades and decades.” Even goes as far as to state that, “[t]here is a reason that Donald Trump appointed somebody with zero diplomatic experience as his point man on Ukraine and Russia.”
Cormac then declares that the Russians are raping women, children, and even babies before he defends the corruption in Ukraine, saying, “The two years that I was a British diplomat embedded in Ukraine’s Ministry of Foreign Defense, the pot that I was paid out of was specifically to deal with reforms and corruption. Anytime I did extra work, I had to demonstrate, i.e., with other ministries, I had to demonstrate to the British ambassador, who was my boss, that it was forwarding the anti-corruption and reform agenda. Ukraine is making progress.”
It was so obvious who was pushing this story.
Harry Hopkins (Saint Franklin’s personal emissary) had no diplomatic/foreign policy experience.
So much for secure communications for the White House.
A caveat. I think the NBC News story that Rubio is trying to debunk, calling it “100% fake” is about 95% true, including the internal political dynamics within the Administration:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/us-army-secretary-warned-ukraine-imminent-defeat-pushing-initial-peace-rcna245704
Kremlin aide sees Washington infighting behind leak
Somebody could be scheming against US President Donald Trump’s special envoy Steve Witkoff,
Yury Ushakov has suggested
Someone in Washington could be trying to undermine US President Donald Trump’s special envoy, Steve Witkoff, Russian presidential aide Yury Ushakov has suggested, commenting on the recent leaks of his conversations with the envoy.
At least some of the purported leaks are fake, he added.
Speaking to Kommersant newspaper on Wednesday,Ushakov defended continued contacts between Moscow and Washington, including by phone, and maintained they are needed to build trust between the two nations.
He also said that neither side was interested in leaking the contents of the conversations.•
According to the presidential aide, the incident might point to infighting in Washington.
“Do you remember the case of [former National Security Adviser] Michael Flynn? This case could be the same,” the official said.
Flynn was forced to resign in 2017 after being accused of misleading officials about a phone conversation with then Russian ambassador to the US, Sergey Kislyak. Trump, who was serving his first term as president, stated that the conversation was “illegally leaked” by US intelligence.
Flynn initially pleaded guilty to the false statement charges before reversing his position and calling the case politically motivated. Trump pardoned him in late 2020, bringing the case to a close.
Speaking to journalists on Monday,Ushakov warned that such leaks risk undermining the whole process of normalization of relations between Moscow and Washington. “This is unacceptable… in such relations, when most serious issues are discussed,” he said.
“There can be no cooperation with a partner when information about what was discussed is revealed. Otherwise, there will be no trust.”
On Tuesday, Bloomberg published what it described as a transcript of Witkoff’s conversation with Ushakov from October 14. The US special envoy was then accused of “coaching” the Russians on how to deal with Washington. Trump dismissed the allegations by saying that Witkoff was using a “standard”approach.
Ushakov noted thatsome of the leaks are fake, adding that he would not comment on the others.
“My conversations with Witkoff are confidential.
No one should make them public. No one.”
“Somebody could be scheming against US President Donald Trump’s special envoy Steve Witkoff, Yury Ushakov has suggested.”
Everybody in Washington and in the Western European states are scheming against Trump and Witkoff. Everyone wants war, except for Trump, Witkoff, and a few true MAGA types in the administration.
I don’t trust NBC and certainly not their political narratives.
NBC news , stop LOL.
End the 5 guys:) agreement
They did close a couple in the area. LOL
I propose a new 2 guys Agreement, USA/Russia. Let the EU, France, Germany, NATO all suck rotten eggs as they allow the Muslim hoards to overrun and degradant their countries into the same dung heaps that they have left, let the Europeans Find Out PDJT 47 style of retribution when you FA with what he is trying to do. May they all suffer the just rewards of their ungrateful actions towards peace worldwide.
When President Trump swore in his oath to defend against enemies both foreign and domestic, he would later find that the domestic enemies of the USA would so outnumber the foreign ones?
As an interesting aside, Germany and Brussels are not part of Five Eyes. It’s UK Canada, NZ, Australia and the US. My vote is that the interception comes from the UK/MI6, whose operation, I believe, is far more sophisticated than anything coming out of Brussels, France or Germany.
An intel agency that shall remain nameless, but whose name rhymes with MI6.
I would suspect this was just to “test” their system and to let Trump know that “others could be listening to everything your are discussing with Putin”.
The CIA and their friends will stop at nothing to get Trump out of office.
They don’t mind him being in office, so long as he doesn’t try to pursue his own ideas about foreign policy. The CIA considers foreign policy to be its domain.
“As we have long discussed, both President Trump and President Putin want to end the conflict. However, the EU, NATO, British, French, German govts, as well as the U.S. congress and Ukraine want to keep the war continuing.”
Good outline of our friends and enemies.
This is absolutely horrendous! Whoever is leaking this information should be arrested!! Notice it NEVER happened with Biden or Obama!!
Heads should roll!! 💁🏻♀️
How the hell do they manage to listen to the calls, no matter who the “they” is.
Perfect calls are the best calls!
Haha. I was just about to post “It was a perfect call” 👍
/sarc
Can’t you see all those coded messages being exchanged ? ?
The dog whistles from both sides just thick in this conversation. It seems like an innocent talk to confuse the public, but this is deep with subterfuge ! !
/sarc
Beulah!!
“Moral turpitude!” 😆
Ballbricker!!
“Porky’s” and “The Jerk” where two of my favorite movies with big grosses and small budgets successes.
Yawn.
Five Eyes….you totally lack creativity.
Kam Pondi will get right on it.
On tonight’s show.
Who doesn’t work for the CIA ?
People will continue to sabotage everything for as long as they face no consequences for it. March a few of these a-holes off to prison for 10 or 20 years and you’ll see this kind of behavior fade away.
March a large group up the steps to the gallows they all deserve. You will see lots of whistleblowers coming out of their cubicles and pleading to let them talk.
This is precisely why the lack of prosecutions will destroy the nation. How the hell can you administer the Office of the President and allow this to interfere with your strategic plans for peace, economic reform, whatever? Zero prosecutions. Zero country.
Sundance discusses the “silo structure” of the different departments. I think there must be “silos within silos within more silos” much like Russian nesting dolls. How deep do the silos go? Excellent way to hide.
The five eyes have a sixth eye, and it has eyes inside all of them….
This reminds me of Rush used to talk about those two old democrats who just happened to be driving around in their car and somehow they picked up something the Republican Party was discussing over their radio.
It was a cellphone call the two dem operatives JUST happened to overhear on a scanner that could receive the analog FM “AMPS” (Advanced Mobile Phone Service_ AKA cellular at 869 – 894 MHz downlink frequencies …
I still think it those two were the ‘release team’, with the actual phone call having been recorded at the MTSO “switch”, ala a ‘phone tap’ (performed by the FBI?) which THEN does not care when the cell phones involved ‘hand off’ to different cell sites (AND different frequencies) as the subscribers / callers move about in the city …
Key Obstacles to Final Agreement
Despite diplomatic momentum, major hurdles remain:
Russia demands veto power over any security arrangements involving Ukraine.
Putin refuses U.S. oversight, particularly through a proposed “Peace Council” led by Trump.
$100 billion in frozen Russian assets would fund Ukraine’s reconstruction under U.S. supervision—a provision Moscow strongly opposes.
As of November 26, while Trump claims “we’re making progress,” both Kyiv and Moscow remain far from final agreement. The plan’s survival depends on reconciling [seemingly] irreconcilable demands—a challenge that may render the current draft “dead on arrival.”
You’re even a clown when using AI to support your silliness.
Calling on Tulsi Gabbard to track this down! Tulsi is DNI overseeing all of the intelligence agencies.
We as a nation are now well aware of phone call leaks in attempts to get to President Trump and his Administration. We have seen this movie before.
Watch the Senators.
McCain helped facilitate the Russiagate hoax by handing bogus intelligence from ex-MI6 agent and other suspected European agents to the FBI at the urgent advice from Lindsey Graham.
Nothing
Safe
Anywhere
Probably has an office all set up for all the different “intelligence” agencies intercepting everything they can.
There are very few agencies that can intercept foreign communications which narrows it down significantly.
How about President Trump uses the method of communication he used for North Korean leader in the past.
Hey Five Eyes, President Trump has five fingers on his right hand, one for each eye.
Starmer gets the middle one because the UK was previously an ally but no more.
The UK isn’t even an ally to it own citizens.
Steve and Yuri sound like they like and respect each other.
That alone is a great starting place.
I believe President Trump and President Putin respect one another as well. It’s obviously neither have any regard for Zelenskyy.
Enough screw ups in communication at the start of the admin. Should have been dealt with long ago. Like 10 months ago.
I’d be shocked if Trump and team doesn’t know precisely which EU creep-show did this. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was the Brits. Their government is a pile of control-freak scoundrels and evil characters. They are still pissed-off we sent them home to their queen 250 years ago.
I have no idea why we are so friendly with the UK? They seem to be working against us and our President for many years. They are not our friends.
The Mickey Mouse cartoon was the perfect ending. AS so many have suggested, flushing the entirety of what constitutes the ‘five eyes’ down the commode seems to be the only way to bring right and reason back to the world.
I’m wondering how long it will take for Israeli to be blamed? Three. Two. One…….. I’m sure Candice or Tucker or who’s the punk that Tucker interviewed? I still will listen to some of Tucker’s podcasts just try to avoid anything regarding Israel. Saw an interview with this psychiatrist last weekend that was pretty good. I’ve completely climbed off the Candice train.
Irritating and gross but irrelevant
We need a bounty, a hefty bounty dead or alive for the fives eyes leakers.
Even if we have to pay Putin.
The more swift the justice, the better.
Outrageous?
Certainly.
Letting this continue is more scary.
What they gonna do, attempt another assassination on MAGA?