Delegations from Ukraine and the USA have been holding talks in Geneva on a draft peace plan. No statement has been officially released, but Ukraine and Russia had received the draft 28-point plan aimed at ending the war. President Trump put the general deadline date of Thursday for review.
Russian Federation President Vladimir Putin has said the plan could form the basis of an agreement, but Ukraine and its European money laundering stakeholders have expressed concern. Giving a brief update during discussions, Secretary of State Marco Rubio said the US and Ukrainian teams had held “probably the best meeting” since Trump returned to office.
Negotiations continued all day with Secretary Rubio noting significant progress has been made and talks will continue into tomorrow. Rubio noted, “we just need more time.” WATCH:
Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has been using his X Account all day to message with allies and “stakeholders” about the negotiations. Zelenskyy is the performative face of opposition to the peace agreement and leveraging external pressure to maintain a fight that domestically has lost significant support.
President Trump has expressed frustration with Zelenskyy’s intransigence; however, if the reporting is accurate Zelenskyy has been informed this 26 or 28 point proposal is his last opportunity to negotiate in good faith before President Trump cuts off all assistance to Ukraine. Secretary Rubio seems very optimistic.
cut it off!
Hang the Zman out on the fence like a big ol catfish head
Cut IT off and the Zman will never play the Piano again.
PDJT needs to focus on the home front.
Divesting the US from a decade long proxy war in the Ukraine DOES focus on the home front!
Exactly
include endless war in the ME…???
Given U.S. unconditional support of Israel, highly unlikely.
It cuts off the members of Congress — like Miss Lindsay from self enrichment at the taxpayers’ expense. It does involve the home front. It:s our 💰.
She’s already whining.
Note to Missy…
Piss off you wanker.
Hey you whiny a– POS pervert. KMA! Go take a long walk on a short pier. I have never been able to stomach this creepy, dispicable sub-human waste of oxygen. Knowing that our hard earned money is paying this demon possessed piece of garbage just galls me! Just go away you miserable joke of a (man), questionable at best?
The “white hot anger” I have for our so called congress is close to my limit. Just go away and never show your disgusting face in public again. Seeing or hearing you just makes me want to “toss my cookies!”
Rant over, and now for a nice cup of hot chocolate
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PDJT cannot stop CONgress from appropriating funds for Ukraine & getting their kickbacks.
He can send zero troops or SeeEyeA to the region & cut off intelligence sharing unless CONgress declares war.
President Trump can veto the legislation funding Ukraine. Force Congress to override.
That’s why Congress likes to put those sorts of appropriations into must-pass legislation or CRs to keep the government open.
“unless CONgress declares war.”
lol that hasn’t stopped presidents before. and incidentally thats basically what the marxists talking about “illegal orders” are hinting at.
President Trump and his team are the only ones that are focused on the home front.
The uniparty are still working against President Trump and the American people.
“PDJT needs to focus on the home front.”
It would seem obvious that he has indeed been focusing “on the home front.”
e.g.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/trump-era-sparks-biggest-us-gas-pipeline-boom-2008
https://www.zerohedge.com/food/trump-targets-foreign-owned-meatpacking-cartel-new-crackdown-move-restore-small-ranchers
It is possible, however, that he will be focusing even more “on the home front.” 🙂
Thank you.
I’m getting tired of this shopworn cliche. It’s ALL part of the home front, as it’s robbing us of billions a year and keeping the DS funded. Anti maga wants it to drag on so they can trash us with it in 2026. They’ll grouse about “the economy” or foreign policy focus regardless.
Yup, a clear ploy to sow division and demean the efforts of President Trump!
@Paul Zelinski is that you?
He is, but I know a lot of people don’t think he is. I get your concerns.
I understand beginning next year (Jan 2026) the Trump Admin (and President Trump himself) will start a big communication campaign to the public about what they are doing to help the economy.
A lot of the communications this year has been about the wars and foreign affairs the Admin has been solving, but all the investments in the country… all that money that’s going to hit the economy is going to give the US a shot in the arm like we haven’t seen in years. I have heard Secretary Scott Bessent say he expects the economy to noticeably pick up next year.
I’m sure the change in communications strategy is not only to educate the public as to why the economy is improving, but to prepare for the Midterms, also.
Do you want to see a mass exodus from Kiev similar to Kabul and Saigon right before the Midterms?
I have seen reported that a mass exodus of fighting-age men wound up in the US (see North Carolina), parts of Europe, particularly in Poland, and so forth. A return to fight for their homeland…if only.
nah that wont happen. the power is out. they are leaving now.
Who cares – as long as they are not allowed to come here.
This IS the home front. If we want to keep our military from going to war for the silly Ukraine warmongers and the pitiful coward Zelensky we need to put this down once and for all. NO WAR!
This sh*t show since February must end very soon…. most of us are sick & tired of it….end of the war will be beginning end of DS……also beginning end of influence neocons on foreign policy include in the ME….
and 51 people here upvoted that comment. Do you all read here? He had to get the geopolitical goals established first whether we like it or not in our “global” economy. Either some of you don’t get that or you just don’t get it.
If he can’t attach or detach from the global economy first, he can’t get his focus on the home front completed. There, I tried.
It is tiresome to see staged pictures of these folks talking in public, as if the real conversations in private never occured.
Nice rug and chairs. What is the colorful thing cut off by the staged ceiling?
Curious minds want to know.
Absurdity to the maximum.
All of it butt-ugly and cheap (Chinese?).
South end of 3 north bound mules.
beta, beta, beta…
tweedledee, tweedledum and tweedledumber
Oh look, there are the other pervert friends of the whiny lindsey girl and the perverted midget, green, piss ant zelensky.
Why don’t you all just have a big cocaine party, OD and then we can get on with our lives and do not have to put up with these
disgusting sub-human demons!
The confab with the EU and UK started yesterday for the little dictator, with several points repeated ad naseum from his co-conspirators, one of which is a 100% non-starter, “We are clear on the principle that borders must not be changed by force.“
Another non-starter from the EU is, “We reiterate that the implementation of elements relating to the European Union and relating to NATO would need the consent of EU and NATO members respectively. “
Sorry – the EU and NATO has absolutely no say on the fact that Ukraine will NOT be a NATO member. They can either do it via agreement in the context of this peace plan, or they can do it as a result of no longer existing…
Membership in NATO is the Gold Ring for European NATO leaders.
President Putin has said multiple times “Nyet”.
As long as 2028 remains with Vance (I’m assuming), Ukraine will not be admitted.
But if Democrats somehow manage to cheat their way into the presidency, then I fully expect it will gain membership. Unless by that time Euro populations get off their knees and reclaim their individual countries. A lot can happen between now and then…and suddenly.
President Putin in any negotiation knows it I think. And so, given the previous broken treaties/promises which have brought this execrable situation this point, will proceed accordingly.
Secretary Rubio and President Trump really are performing a high wire act.
One slip….
During the reign of George Bush 41 an agreement was reached between the United States, Great Britain and Russia. NATO would not expand beyond its borders at the time. There would be a buffer zone between NATO members and Russia.
NATO broke that promise. Many countries became NATO members, Russia felt deceived and threatened.
IMO the final straw was when Biden’s Sectary of State, the Paris educated Antony Blinken, suggested to Ukrainian President Zelenskyy his country could potentially join NATO. There would be no neutral zone or buffer between Russia and NATO. So why did the Biden administration want to go to war with Russia using Ukraine as its proxy?
except Russia has all the cards. they will ultimately get all they have listed out since the beginning.
Good
Suspicious Cat wants to know who were the two women that entered after Secretary Rubio? The tall one entered with her phone in right hand recording and then after looking back behind her sees the short Asian woman recording also, the tall evil looking one hides her phone under her folded left arm. You can see a little later the short woman has her phone in her right hand next to the secret service members left hand as the presstitutes start yelling questions. Very suspicious behavior.
More bullshit.
Rubio is talented and obviously has an agenda to become the President but he’s doing it the right way and will have President Trump’s blessings for whichever position he’s going for. It’s likely Vance/ Rubio and then Rubio and whoever else (Tulsi is my choice)
Rubio is NOT a Natural Born Citizen, NOT ELIGIBLE FOR THE PRESIDENCY. ENd of story.
Ukrainians wearing suits. Must mean that peace is near.
It only counts when Z is wearing the suit.
I don’t see the Russian Federation allowing Ukraine access to the Black Sea. The Special Operation will continue on until Ukraine is a landlocked Rump State.
True haven’t seen one thing about Odessa.
Odessa had / has strong Russian ties. There has been a major crackdown on that by Ukraine post Color Revolution and especially post Russian Federation’s Special Operation. The sabre fencers I know that came from Odessa after the fall of the Soviet Union all spoke Russian, not Ukrainian.
23. Russia will not prevent Ukraine from using the Dnieper River for commercial activities, and agreements will be reached on the free transport of grain across the Black Sea.
But under Russian Federation control.
If Russia agrees not to “obstruct or prevent” use and allows for “free” transport, then they do not control access to the Black Sea.
I wonder if successful negotiations means that those opposed to MAGA will try to kill the President again.
Probably.
its all dark speculation, but… i think in order for the deep state to get to that point again, trump would have to tug directly at more of their strings, like going after the CIA or FBI or the feral judges. at this point, i think the DS knows they’ve extracted all the blood and guts they can from this one and are happy to move it along to somewhere else like venezuela or iran.
The question about Article V is a nonsense as Ukraine is not a member of NATO.
Though it’s not for lack of trying and trying by European partners in NATO.
For Russia, that was and remains non negotiable.
Anyone else pleasantly surprised Marco seems to be more competent than expected?
I know I am… I hope it continues.
i’m surprised people keep buying it.
Trump wouldn’t have him, if he wasn’t somewhat competent at his job.
patel enters the chat.
bondi enters the chat
durham, barr, pence, ratcliffe…
ehh, my fingers are tired.
Bondi, Ratcliffe, and Patel are not only surrounded but buried alive in the Deep State.
They have big problems. I don’t expect them to clean out the filth in less than a year. It’s a multi-year job. I hope it can be done.
I have zero faith. They obviously have not the slightest interest in anything like cleaning out the FBI for instance.
Again , there will be no peace deal anytime soon. Russia is playing along with this proposal because they know that it will be rejected outright or poisoned with changes that Russia will reject. If Ukraine were to agree with the proposal as is then Russia would find an excuse to reject the plan. This is political theater to cover Trumps withdrawal from the proxy war. The plan doesn’t come close to achieving the stated goals of the Russians.
I agree. I don’t see the Russian Federation stopping the Special Operation until their stated goals are met. I think that also includes could include no access to the Black Sea. Time will tell.
War will end…if Russians achieve all goals of SMO… on their terms….neocons/bho/f*jb started this war….Russians it end …no one going stop them…..
Marco Rubio was inside the machine long enough to know all the dirt on all the major players. (Hi Ms Linda)
If he has truly turned over a new leaf, then I imagine he is making some comments on the down low about what he knows and telling certain people to get in line or get exposed!
i certainly hope so, but this has been my comment all along. he is absolutely privy to the treason that occurred inside the SSCI while he was a willing member and participant.
the story of trump’s deep dislike and adelson forcing him into the admin as a condition for her support, is well known. she wanted veep and he said no way, so SoS was the compormise. he has yet to reconcile any of the SSCI russiagate, J6, lies about ukraine, and other shenanigans (that we know of), and all of his long term personal neocon fantasies, that he was pretty open about for years, are now playing out in iran and venezuela. i doubt that is a coincidence.
So did you leak that the 28 point plan was written by the Russians? Yes or No.
Zelenskiy / Official
The difficulty of the entire diplomatic situation is that this war was started by Russia – and only Russia, and all the time of a full-scale war, it is Russia and only Russia that does not want to end the war. From the first minutes of February 24, Putin has been waging this war in such a way that he doesn’t care how many of his people he loses and how many of our people he kills.
Russian commanders do not just want to act brutally – they have clear orders that they can kill as they please. That is why the Russian war is so bloody and takes lives at the front and in peaceful Ukrainian cities. That is why Russia not only kills adults, but also kidnaps children and tries to relearn them so that they can already participate in the war when they grow up.
Now Russian commanders are throwing those who went to junior high school in 2014, when Crimea was occupied and hybrid aggression against Ukraine began, into assaults against Ukrainian positions. This is a long war, and the main thing that Russia is trying to do is to keep the opportunity to fight even longer and not only against Ukraine. That is why we value so much that so many forces and leaders are now working for peace.
Ukraine is grateful to the United States, every American heart and President Trump personally for the help that, starting with «javelins», saves the lives of Ukrainians. We thank everyone in Europe, in the Group of Seven and the Group of Twenty, who are helping us to protect lives. It is important to maintain support.
It is important not to forget the main goal of – to stop the Russian war and not allow it to ignite someday again. And for this to happen, peace must be worthy. This year alone, Putin has already sent hundreds of thousands of his people to their deaths to occupy a percentage or several of Ukrainian territory. And this is done by Russia, which already has the most internationally recognized territory than anyone in the world. This nature of the war and Russia’s efforts to prolong the war show that it is not about the territory for them, not about how this or that neighbor of Russia behaves, but about the «right to war» for Russia, about the «right to subjugate the» of others, about the fundamental lack of security.
That is why we are working so carefully on every point, on every step towards peace. Everything should work correctly – so as to really end this war and to prevent a repeat of the war. Thank you to everyone who helps! Thanks America! Thank you, Europe! I am proud of our people. Glory to Ukraine!
Note: The message from Zelenskiy has reverted back to the same ole same ole the minute the Willing arrived to save him from the Peace process he was offered by the US…so just let them keep fighting and face criminal corruption charges. Obviously the EU will find a way to bankrupt just to stay in a war and fill their pockets.
Frankly, my dear, ……..
A two middle finger salute to you, you disgusting POS, pervert midget. I really do not give a rats furry behind about anything you have to say you lying POS. Do the world a favor and OD on some white powder you seem so fond of and then enjoy spending the rest of eternity with your friends and other demons you so fondly love!
I guess you can tell I am quite weary of anything related to EU, Ukraine and this creep. I have had quite enough of it all.
Truth be told, if somehow, by an act of God, I had a choice between getting 50% of all the money Zelensky has gotten from holding political power, and 5% of all the money Putin has gotten from holding political power, I would choose the later, thank you.
So you’re saying you’re greedy?
That’s not news, all liberals are greedy
I believe that Marco Rubio wears blinkers (horse blinders) because he does not have a proper understanding of fallen human nature. It is far from the truth when the Ukrainians are seen as the good guys and Russians as the bad guys. Every single person on earth fails to do the good things they should or does bad things they should not do. Only the teachings of Jesus and his disciples put this in proper perspective.
There was rampant corruption in Ukraine before 2022 and many Western politicians and business people sought to exploit the situation. The Russian president cannot be blamed for this. I just find it obscene when American politicians from both parties are happy to pump hundreds of billions of dollars of money and armaments into Ukraine to prolong the war when the US has a debt that now exceeds $38.3 trillion. Not a single dollar should be spent on any foreign cause while this debt hangs over the heads of Americans, their children and their grandchildren.
They’re both bad Russia and Ukraine. Much of what both countries say is a lie.
Rubio is trying to be pragmatic as is Trump.
Frank…we start this stooopid neocons f* war in the Feb.2014….by overthrow legit UKR.. government..and you Frank spread BS about Russia since day 1 of war……
Our vaunted CIA started this war.
Zelensky is not relevant, and should be ignored, except to claw back the funds stolen by him and his buddies.
Cut off all aid to Ukraine.
Peace talks between USA and Russia to decide how this ends and how Ukraine gets split up (since this is really a war between NATO and Russia, and the USA is the primary funding member of NATO and supplier of equipment to NATO).
Europe be damned. Let them commit suicide on their own.
we will know that the admin is serious about getting our money back when they demand extradition of the cronies who have fled to israel with hundreds of millions.
to do so would expose the MIC and the rest of our own government who have benefitted, though.
i will not be holding my breath.
do not worry….. I doubt ms linda will pirouette out of this..debacle of ukr.war….
Who controls Russia’s frozen assets? Isn’t the EU planning on using this money to fund the war?
Weapons 4 Ukraine (& Military Industrial Complex)
I am delighted President Putin is willing to work with the basics of the plan. This again shows us that Putin is intelligent, reasonable and measured. Blessings to Presidents Putin & Trump.
F the IC and their EU and Ukrainian puppets.
i think putin is playing it cool and cynical like he always does.
he has very little reason to accept any of this claptrap, but he does have a lot of reasons to appear to be the more open, mature adult in the room. and he knows the western leaders on the other side arent capable of that.
The proposal as written gives Russia everything they’ve asked for and addresses root causes. Both z and Putin are pieces of shit and should take this deal (refined) to stop the senseless killing
you did not learn nothing about this war since 2014….
Here’s Europe’s “peace plan” in full and it reads like a blueprint for WWIII. NATO membership. Ukrainian conscripts still bleeding. Sanctions still locked and loaded. Not one inch of humility. Not one lesson learned. Just the same arrogant script that burned Ukraine to the ground.
Also posted at Ron Paul Institute:
Europe Barks Back: Riposte to Trump Peace Plan is DOA
genuine bizarro world. even the most die-hard ideologues and propagandists must surely understand the situation on the ground now.
winners do not make concessions to stop winning.
losers make concessions to stop the losses.
#13….They are still insisting on Ukraine having pathway to NATO….
DOA🔽🔽⬇️⬇️⬇️👎
It’s irrelevant. There’s no alternative plan they can shout all they want they have no real say in the matter
Don’t take anything out of Europe seriously. They’re arrogant morons but they have no say in this. They thought they had say in the Gaza deal made lots of proclamations and accomplished nothing, then got publicly dog walked at the signing ceremony
That’s not a peace plan, it is a war / grift plan.
A huge conflict of interest lies in the background. The EU morally bk, now must continue this war to keep various EU Members afloat. They can’t settle this conflict or the loans their banks are giving to all parties. The arms sales critical to their finances. Theis war should never have been fought. Trying to force the EU was a no-go for Putin.
While there are nuclear armed rockets placed in Poland by Trump capable of reaching Moscow in 5 minutes, there will not be peace in Europe. Would anybody on this site be happy with similar placed in Mexico and aimed at Washington?
President Putin has just made a speech saying that the reason they are looking at this plan (which has not been shown to Russia) is because the Brics countries want Russia to do so. He said Russia would prefer to fight on to remove the illegal crooks now running Ukraine.
This ‘plan’ by Rubio is dead.
I’m sure they want to knock out those illegal Bio-weapons labs also Mimi
Do you not think the Russians gave them in Cuba or off our coast?
Ukr and the globalists suck but Russia are also bad guys let’s not pretend. They’ve moved nukes closer to NATO in Belarus and Kaliningrad. And there are no nukes in Poland
Well Non-Russia BRICS never had to deal with Nazis before so they are somewhat naive.
<“While there are nuclear armed rockets placed in Poland by Trump”
What “nuclear armed rockets” are you referring to?
A good youtube site is Alex Mercouris for accurate info on the Ukraine war and info on how the Russians negotiate.
Alex Christoforu had great coverage today…..
along with one of the Athens cat that climbed
on the bench with him. 🐈🐈😍
Discussed the “peace plan”
Rumble
Putin responds to Trump plan. US military envoy to Moscow. MTG resigns. STUBB to keep war going
Yup, that was a classic Alex “Cat Interview”!
If nothing else, SoS Rubio will walk away from this whole experience, with very valuable knowledge, to ensure success in later times with global events, if perhaps a favorable opportunity was to ever open up in his future .
He handles the Euro MSM vultures well. Mocking them with their own words and stupidity with a kind disposition, while clearly being annoyed.
Those State Dept staffers frankly looked non plussed to be there ! Esp the Nikki Haley clone
. Rubio appeared to be highly flustered , as to his past if I recall , press gaggles
If you don’t like the US position on Russia v. Ukraine, just wait a few days, and if history is any guide, and there will probably be another one.
Attorney General, FBI Director, and Deputy Director in the Administration are a joke. Then I understand that Todd Blanche, sent into DOJ is slow walking Everything!
Zelenskyy has been informed this 26 or 28 point proposal is his last opportunity to negotiate in good faith before President Trump cuts off all assistance to Ukraine.
If President Trump does this, the Pentagon will object mightily. Then, he will be blamed for Ukraine losing the war. But, I doubt he’ll go through with this threat.
There absolutely must not be U.S. security guarantees for Ukraine. When Zelensky refuses to sign the peace agreement, President Trump just walk away.
Secretary Rubio seems very optimistic.
He’s fooling himself, or trying to fool the world.
Rubio said both parties have been consulted about the peace plan. President Putin says otherwise.
Trump is always saying “this war would have never happened if I had been in charge.” Well, he has been in charge now since the election. This is a dumb ridiculous war and should be stopped right now. Let Zelensky learn a little about real life. It has been too easy for him to depend on anybody and everybody to win the war for him. I say CUT HIM LOOSE, let the chips fall where they may. It means nothing to us – we have our own fish to fry. Zelensky is not a serious person and I, for one, can’t stand the sight of him.
GETTEMOUTTAHERE
When in history did the losing side dictate the terms of surrender? USA must walk away.
We are being told this is a take it or leave it proposal from President Trump that Zelenskyy needs to accept, but Rubio is telling the senate that this is Russia’s “wish list”leaked by a Russian negotiator. Something is rotten here. I think we’re getting a glimpse of how Rubio sabotages MAGA. https://nypost.com/2025/11/22/world-news/marco-rubio-told-us-senators-that-ukraine-peace-plan-was-not-americas-but-a-russian-wish-list/
The usual suspects keep our President busy on what they intend to be a four year world tour in order to run out the clock on his presidency so that he never actually fully concentrates on fixing the problems in this nation. Then they can get back to how things were before: enriching themselves like carpetbaggers off a country in decline for the citizens who live here who will have to suffer for the national debt these carpetbaggers saddled them with.
Who is the owner of the Rubio horse?