I had no idea the number of people receiving supplemental food assistance was over 40 million.
With the federal government shutdown continuing, several media reports now say federal food assistance payments will likely lapse on November 1st.
WASHINGTON – More than 40 million low-income food stamp beneficiaries are expected to receive less help with grocery bills — or no help at all — in the coming days.
The U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) is threatening to withhold billions of dollars in Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) contingency funding, which Congress has already allocated for emergency scenarios, if the government shutdown stretches into November.
There is between $5 billion and $6 billion currently in that fund, experts say. That’s not enough to cover the estimated $8 billion in SNAP benefits due out next month, but it would allow for partial payments to help low-income Americans defray food costs.
On Friday, however, USDA released guidance saying it won’t use those funds to cover SNAP benefits if the government shutdown extends beyond Oct. 31 — a move that appears designed to maximize the pressure on Senate Democrats to support a GOP spending bill to reopen the government.
In a memo, first reported by Axios, the USDA said the reason is simple: The contingency fund was designed to respond to unforeseen events, like natural disasters, and the current shutdown doesn’t qualify because it was manufactured by Democrats. To spend the money on SNAP benefits during such an event, the USDA argues, would be illegal. (read more)
We say we don’t believe anything the lame-stream media says. So why do we believe them here in their numbers and stats? Even if the “40 million” could easily mean all illegal aliens?
JV, I know it’s a hobby here on the CTH to imagine that nobody should ever need assistance for any reason.
I used to think that same way.
Well, folks, snit happens.
As much as we endeavor to, we cannot possibly be prepared for EVERY disaster, natural, or more likely, man-made.
Surely there is waste, surely there is freeloading, surely there are illegal aliens, but just as surely, there are good decent well meaning Americans who need help.
We need to pray that good decent people don’t go hungry because of politics.
And the not so decent folks who depend on this…
If they total even 25% that’s 10 million potential “forced criminals” who now believe they can rationalize whatever crimes they commit to feed their wayward bellies.
Remember folks, pride cometh before the fall.
Those who demean others who have fallen into the safety net shall too have their day someday.
Dear Mr. Lurker360, kind sir. I do not demean any poor soul. And who needs help I pray can receive help.
I am talking about the numbers. Just the numbers. 40 million is mind-boggling to me. I question the NUMBER they are feeding us.
Given what we have been through over the past 5 years. It would be entirely plausible for 5%-10% to truly be in need. That’s 15-30 million people right there.
Yawn.
Empathy is great. But only solutions matter. Get out on the street yourself and help these people. Organize your own supererogatory events.
The Dems/Left obviously want social chaos – and worse. There are at least 10 cowards sitting on the DEM side of the aisle who have confided they would vote for CR approval were it not for fear of primary reprisals. Not exactly courageous indiivduals – these people will ultimately be held to account regardless.
Growing weary of all the moral preening.
This is a manufactured, looming crisis. Worst case some calamity happens and a national emergency is declared.
It’s all manufactured by politicians and external funders/states that are pressing hard on what has always been the American achilles heel post WWII: internal divisions.
Tolerance is growing short. Someone is going to lose in this dangerous game of chicken.
yep….loser=us
It’s born and bread into a whole class of people. Generational. I have known of people saying they keep running short so they need to breed another baby. The inner cities welfare is a way of life. I’m sure there is a large percentage of people gaming the system. I’m sure there are others truly in need. It’s not the governments place to take from one to give to another. Anyone who wants to freely donate without a threat of jail time is free to give. The churches do a pretty good job with pantries. Handing out actual food staples would cut out trading stamps for cash.
There haven’t been any food “stamps” for decades. It’s all electronic on cards.
That may slow them down but it it’s not stopping them. For example, some of these idiot fraudsters will use their electronic card to buy $100.00 of soft drinks only to walk out of the store, pour the contents on the ground, and then return the bottles for their $0.10 deposit that is received in cash which, in turn, they give to their drug dealer for dope. And they’ll be screaming as loud as the righteous folks that actually need and use these funds.
Personally, I must agree with PJ, above. This is all a contrived effort to stir up and formant violence amongst these 40 million people, many ripe for manipulation,
Here in Memphis, they put 7,8,9, year olds out in the middle of the street to sell drinks. Why one has not been hit by a motorist, I don’t know.
I respectfully disagree. There is an open market to buy/sell EBT cards (as there was for food stamps btw) for significantly closer to face value.
Stamps or cards, it’s the same thing, updated for technology. I stood behind a young woman at a checkout line who had a plastic baggie filled with them, and a shopping cart loaded with stuff I am and you are paying for. Of course, being in Massachusetts, maybe the problem is more egregious here, our Governor being so sweet on illegals.
Many years ago in L.A. the local govtgave out a box of food essentials like flour, beans, etc.
And just like the problem with SS numbers being stolen the FS card issue could be fixed but it is not.
OK so the wording has changed to SNAP, we all still know what it means BayteeTX.
Yes it’s an electronic card, but ‘food stamps’ is pretty generic and people know what it means.
Do you remember why that was changed, Kaytee? In large part, Dems didn’t want to “embarrass” their base. A store line would grind to a halt for those using food stamps. Everyone would know why. If you are willing to accept government tax dollars from others, deems to me that those paying for your food are entitled to know who you are when you checkout. It SHOULD be embarrassing. Just might motivate you to get a job or tell your partner to get a job.
IIRC, there was a certain look to the food cards, maybe with a huge flag on them. Then people started recognizing that flag and they changed the look. I don’t know what it is now, don’t really care, but if they don’t want to be recognized as getting tax payer provided food, they could do something about it. Some time ago I was behind a young lady in the check out lane. She bought things needed for a birthday party, but it did include a cake mix so we didn’t have to pay for the bakery produced one. I made a comment to the YOUNG checker and she gave me a dirty look.
Yep that was pretty asinine of you
I remember Food Stamps and WIC cards, too.
For years, I worked as a cashier at a Dallas area grocery store and very clearly recall the few Food Stamps and WIC cards that came through my line. The percentage was very small. Since the under-the-counter, credit card-looking EBT program started, many, many more people have signed up for the programs.
No longer are folks embarrassed that they get “something” for “nothing” while you and I work.
(Even back then, they would strategically buy the necessities with the WIC cards, as they only purchased specific nutrition items. The Food Stamps were good for buying candy, soda, kool-aide, etc.)
I am old enough to remember when the government actually gave out food. Not sure what it included but it included butter and cheese. There were stories of people picking up their food while driving Cadillacs. I wouldn’t doubt it.
During those days, I volunteered at a senior housing facility. They got Velveeta-like huge blocks of ‘cheese’ and tried like crazy to trade them for something they’d actually eat. Without much luck, I may say.
I’ve got an idea …instead of looking self righteous and blaming the person who is without why not blame the people who are responsible….corrupt politicians and donors. Definitely a better use of your time.
I actually agree with you. There are plenty of Americans in need. That’s what these programs are for.
These programs have become a means for TOTB to steal and launder billions of dollars in taxes to retain their grip on power.
I would wager more is stolen through fraud than is used to feed those who need it.
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Those cards I believe were created by a Soros connected entity.
Just using the thread lingo. I’m aware most of the people using self check out at my grocery store are checking out with snap cards.
And the trading ‘food stamps’ for cash happens. I’ve been offered it every couple of months for years (never done it). The groceries go on their card and in my area you pay 50% in cash.
If you can sell your ‘food stamps’ for cash you are getting too much. Years ago a friend was on them and she was shocked at how much she got. She just worked on stocking her pantry. So when she went off them, when she was back to work she had a cushion.
So many in real need like senior citizens on small fixed incomes get none or a tiny, tiny amount.
I remember my mother getting $12/month in food assistance. Her Social Security was around $400/month. I took care of the things she couldn’t afford.
They are just so generous.
I am soooo tired of “it’s not the governments place” BS It is because of the government that these people need food stamps….that healthcare is sky high, that taxes eat up most of our paycheck….on and on > And guess who let it get that way?
The high cost of housing, insurance on homes (mine escalated 50% this next year and are due in two weeks, and then the high cost of food is still alarming.
Young people who do not come from affluent families are struggling and then those who have 2-5 babies and more and have a life style that can’t bring in anything but minimum wage are everywhere. My own daughter works hard all week and so does her partner. Their debt is staggering and I doubt if that household brings in more than $70,000 gross income a year. Yep, this is going to flip the switch and the Democrats will cry foul when the Billionaires on both sides of the wall step up and become a part of the government and ……then what? Democrats have a job to do and it isn’t to bring this country to its knees with horse snit.
She and her partner ought to bite the bullet and get married!!!
Stop
Don’t forget all the single parents…that number includes the children.
I don’t care about them so much, however I DO care about kids going hungry.
And though we’ve heard promise after promise to clean up the welfare rolls and tighten up requirements for qualifying, when this is all over we really need to do it. And we need to stop increasing benefits for having ever more kids.
Schools serve breakfast and lunch. The amount of waste is mind boggling, I have seen the waste firsthand.
Buckwheat; you are partially correct. I worked as an elementary school nurse in St Louis. Schools serve breakfast, lunch, snacks, plus provide clothing for children. Some of these kids would come into my work station and ask to see the wardrobe so they could chose what to wear that day. It was like having a free clothing store in the building. There was a picture of BHO hanging in the hallway. The year was 2017. The administration office had stacks of magazines featuring “The One We Have Been Waiting For” nearly 10 years old sitting on the coffee tables. I was astounded by it all. The school was parenting these children.
When Covid closed schools, locals with school children had their lunches delivered to their homes. What a total waste of money as parents get SNAP to feed their children every day. Stop the free school lunches and watch children lose weight. School lunch program is just another slush fund.
Yes, not using schools as restaurants during covid was an emergency. Fortunately our Dem gov (supposedly the most loved gov in the US) issued around 20 or so emergency proclamations to help the poor kids out.
Our school district serves free breakfast, lunch and has a weekly food pantry to boot. All of these are also available in the summer and school breaks. There is no reason for any kid to go hungry in my area.
Our schools talk more about how many meals they serve rather than how many lessons they teach or anything relevant to education. You would think that somewhere in the Department of Education someone rewrote the mission from education to feeding children. And not all children: a rich public-schooled kid gets free lunches but homeschooled kids living on one income don’t.
Not that the homeschoolers want public food, but why should homeschoolers feed lunch to rich kids?
School meals have become a racket for the school districts, too.
Years ago, I taught in Texas.
One day, our area experienced high winds and a power outage that lasted most of the day.
Rather than cancel school, the Principal/District decided to keep the kids in school (as some of them would have freely roamed the streets, had they sent them “home”).
THE PRINCIPAL decided to hand out “free lunches” to every student, regardless of need.
Why? Because she was reimbursed for every meal (cha-ching! $$).
My husband brought a few Subway sandwiches up to me so that my students
would have something to eat. The “school lunches” were not edible.
Are they still sending back packs full of food home with the kids so they will eat over the weekend? Gives the parents more $$ for tats and drugs.
I have a solution ….let private companies come in to do lunch ….not full time education employees. Might get lunches that actually taste good. Michelle really botched up the lunches when she required nutritionist to prepare and plan the lunches.
In my state, the purpose of the school is to provide a restaurant; any education is just an accident. They didn’t want to “stigmatize” free breakfast/lunch, so started giving everyone free.
We’re spending $50 million to create a central kitchen here on Oahu; the claim is now all the food is imported from the mainland.
That’s a huge problem. Stop increasing benefits for having ever more kids. It’s used by some young women who think it’s cool at the time to have more children and to be able to live off of welfare. More children bigger check gives them an excuse.
It happens, even in families where they have children together. They wont get married and she’ll claim that she doesn’t know who the father is. Just to be able to live off of welfare. That is the sad reality of the lifestyles that welfare system has created in our culture.
I’ve said it before, will say again. This is slavery 2.0 courtesy of Democrats beginning largely with LBJ. The new and improved slavery doesn’t require ANY work, simply voting for the master every election. Improved benefits, too! Yes, food (that you now pick out yourself!), and housing for sure. But now you get cell phone, eduction if you want it, connectivity for said cell phone, cash benefits for buying what your preferred indulgences (tobacco, booze, drugs), healthcare better than found in many nations, get out of jail/no bond cards (in select cities and states only). Sweet, far better than slavery 1.0.
Well, this I’ve heard since I was young in the 60s. Given the abortion rate, especially among “POC”, I’m not sure more kids is much of an incentive.
More benefits for true families having children.
Less benefits for sloppy hoes breeding fatherless criminals.
How about people only having kids if they can support them without government assistance?
Well that pretty much puts the stat at – 0.05 children per family LOL
So, who makes those decisions as to qualifications? Who watches the watchers???
No one, Pa. That is a big part of the problem. But you knew that I know.
That should be made into a bumper sticker! Ha!
Doubt kids are going hungry since they’re likely receiving free breakfast and lunch at school. That leaves EBT having to provide 1 meal/child/day.
I wouldn’t want to be on EBT; however, once there, the recipients likely qualify for many other federal and/or state subsidies.
Well….I guess when your gobmint pretty much takes their orders from corporations and feeds it to greedy politicians then I guess you get a group of people who feel like they are owed something and if not voluntarily given they will take it.
Boy ….just another incentive to stop having those stinking kids /s
I was on the county grand jury here for a year. Since we were in the state capital, once a month the state AG office would bring in state cases. The deputy AG said that he had four investigators for welfare/UI fraud, but only one for tax or insurance fraud, and mostly we got welfare fraud cases (typically, father was living or visiting the home but not declared by the mother). Most of these were started by anonymous hotline complaints (so the mother must have gotten someone angry).
It comes down to how much each state is willing to do. My state being “true blue” the answer is not much.
God keep each of us in His merciful care.
While I understand the sentiment, There but by the grace of God go I, I’ve considered in advance what my options would be.
I’ve concluded family when available to help, should help.
In my community we have food pantries and soup kitchens for hot meals. Our Parish alone serves all who consider themselves in need and want to eat a good home cooked meal. They can come on Thurs and Sat for a hearty repast.
Other local churches provide meals on alternate days of the week.
I’m for doing our part to care for one another.
My family is just fine but I never feel comfortable not having a plan B.
Please take a look at the year the participation rate started to climb. Then remember more than 1 thing can be true at the same time: poverty is a known fact of human existence, government is known to perform in corrupt ways and to influence corrupt behaviour of others, Americans have historically been the most empathetic and generous population in the care of less fortunate, corruption in the execution of charity should not be tolerated.
Why does this graph only go to 2011? There was 40 million participants a decade ago.
You act like they just hand out whatever is needed to whomever asks any old day of the week.. yeah right.. I’ll never ask those people for another thing, ever!
I can imagine the hard shells that has developed….if this is the case they should stop volunteering. Would much rather a shyster get away with scaming than accuse one needy person of something wrong.
“Forced Criminals” and then you quote Pride Cometh Before the Fall….
No such thing as “Forced Criminals”. It is a choice to break laws.. Looks like you are up here quoting Bible Verses to validate your opinion without obviously “Knowing” the Bible. Pride Cometh Before the Fall applies to you. Beware…
Let me give you an example:
THOU. SHALL. NOT. COVENT – in any circumstances. There…
In the criminals’s mind there sure is. That’s why it was in quotes.
You wrote: “Surely there is waste, surely there is freeloading, surely there are illegal aliens, but just as surely, there are good decent well meaning Americans who need help.”
You are correct.
The problem is that there is so much waste, fraud, and abuse in these welfare programs, but those tasked with minding the store aren’t minding it.
I’m all for helping those in need.
I am not for helping those who abuse the system.
I am also not for the people who should be minding the “store” because they aren’t actually minding it.
OV-10, Agree 100%.
I have spent plenty of time in Section 8 housing and working with refugees. I all that time I have only encountered one family truly in need with a plan to get out. Churches and private people can help.
–“… I know it’s a hobby here on the CTH to imagine that nobody should ever need assistance for any reason.”–
I do not buy that twisted premise/assumption at all. I have not seen a single comment that states “that nobody should ever need assistance for any reason”, much less make “a hobby” of it.
I’ve seen comments and opinions about the longevity of payments, whether the Federal government(meaning taxpayers) should be paying for it, whether it should be up to the communities to provide such relief, many want to get rid of the fraud and corruption within the program or put better qualifications in the guidelines, and etc.
If you’ll reread the comments, you’ll find that many of us here at the Tree House already help those in need in many, many ways. And many here admit to having had need of assistance at one time or another along their life’s pathway whether physically, spiritually, or otherwise–and those are the ones who many times are the ones who help others in need when they are able the most.
They government is not the most important or efficient or qualified “safety net” for many of our brothers and sisters in need.
Your lecture is insulting in it’s own “hubris on a high horse” attitude.
Nonetheless, I hope you are presently not in need yourself and are indeed helping those that are in need. Have a good caring day!
I’ve been reading on this topic among all the topics here for years, but thanks for your tutorial.
My observation on this topic is that my fellow treepers often jump right to the ugly pile-on.
Americans who are truly in temporary need get rolled in with all the freeloaders, and it’s not fair or pretty.
Due to high cost of living, many seniors who are trapped in CA qualify for SNAP, and these are people who put in 40 hour weeks year in and year out for decades. They contributed to society, and in their old age, if they qualify and are in need, we should not badmouth them for availing themselves of food assistance.
40 million out of 330 million is quite a large chunk. Maybe we should be asking why we have so many on SNAP and what we can do to move the off it.
Stop our government from bringing millions of impoverished illegals into our country? Just a thought.
That’s around 15%. Consider this that means that 85% are taking care of themselves.
Yes, the beginning of Johnson’s “great society” created a huge dependent population of mostly inner city blacks.
How to change that? It’s multi generational and will be difficult to change without a full culture shift in that demographic that sees it as “A way of life”.
Certainly the system was engineered to hold down that demographic and keep it voting democrat.
I might be more sympathetic were it not for the reality that you an entire political party fostering government dependency, and calling you heartless if you dare to notice.
Oh the 40 million number is most assuredly because of politicians and their policies. IT should not be a shock since regular citizens can’t afford healthcare, a home, rent, a car, insurance for the previous 3
. Always the “have to have” things of life that are unaffordable . Add gas and utilities as the icing on top.
When are people gonna wake up and say enough? Must we go the way of the EU? If you think about it, when it comes to taxes we are forced to pay, can we really afford the pursuit of life , liberty , and happiness? I will answer for you …NO.
Just look at the rate of depression….we are existing to work, pay taxes, and die. Family use to be the glue for happiness but they are destroying that as well.
So glad to witness various billionaires in the news and on cable smiling from ear to ear. Does a heart good to know they are making it in this world.
The national guard will come in handy to feed the hungry deport the illegals who will need food and shelter the National Guard will provide them.
Then we can take the millions of our own citizens and put them in the vacated sec 8 housing.
They were warned to self deport. They should act now before it is too late.
Since 2020 and the following administration’s inflation explosion there was a 18% increase in citizens including legal immigrants who were forced to file for food assistance. The homeless crisis also jumped
It is inclusively almost all immigrants . They get more handouts than any American citizen ever has had during their entire life. Plus they get a huge tax break for being in business, and as soon as it expires, they import another relative and transfer the business into their name, to extend the tax break indefinitely. They know how to preemptively stack the deck and to play the system for all it’s worth. And they all generally live in same home. Been going on for years and years.
If you import the third world, you become the third world yourself.
Remember, the best, easiest and above all cheapest way to get rid of imported problems, is to export them as soon as possible. Not necessary to the place them came from, just export them. Out of the US.
According to that chart, 11.3 million black ‘heritage’ Americans are on food stamps, most likely the largest demographic in absolute numbers.
And that signals?
That signals that it is not “inclusively almost all immigrants” receiving food stamps, contrary to the OP’s assertion.
The federal food stamp program has a long history, going back at least six decades.
So that would likely imply a concentration in Dem led urban areas.
The implied universal, btw, is false. A third or more of African Americans have prospered into middle class or better post-WWII. A fact all (one would hope) would wish for every destitute American. Too bad the Dem party has favored plantation policies, generation after generation, that sustain the immiseration.
Who is implying “universal”? I’m merely stating deductive facts, based on the numbers presented.
The fact is, based on the numbers presented, and demographics, approximately 25% of America’s heritage black demographic, who are US citizens, are receiving slightly over 25% of the federal SNAP program benefits.
“Almost all” the federal food stamp program is NOT going to immigrants, as the OP summarily stated. Information I have seen elsewhere suggests it is somewhere around 1/3. A substantial added drain on federal resources, no doubt.
What you draw from those facts and statistics is up to you.
What I draw from it is that the interruption of the food stamp program is going to impact many US citizens who rely on it, rightly or wrongly.
And that some demographics have developed an entitlement mentality to public benefits, and have already expressed an inclination to resort to theft and violence if benefits stop after this week.
I am not concerned about a very small population of Iraqis causing mass public unrest. I am hopeful that peaceful elderly people can be provided for by their communities, and am not concerned they will riot and steal.
I am concerned about food riots and mass looting in Detroit, Philadelphia and Baltimore, however, especially as there are increasing warnings from that community that many intend to do so.
I believe the government shutdown, and the eventual interruption of the SNAP program, is being used as a weapon by the left. Because they cannot hold on to their replacement illegal alien electoral block, as PDJT and this Republican Congress have refused to further pay for free healthcare for illegals, and PDJT is rapidly escalating their deportations.
Mass unrest is what they are intending. And what better way to cause mass unrest than a food crisis.
Deductive conclusions are not facts. You have an epistemological confusion there.
Facts are something demonstrated to exist – not deduced.
But I digress.
The point I’m making is that your argument is disingenuous because it leaves out the full history of what has unfolded in our country. Your argument is really intended to claim “see…look who is plundering the system most egregiously.” It is labelling…among other things.
Bull. Basic math is not confusing, except perhaps to you and the other gentleman.
The current total population for the United States is, conservatively, approximately 350 Million. The black demographic in the United States is approximately 13% of that population (also a conservative estimate; other studies place it closer to 14% today).
Thirteen percent of the US population, conservatively, is 45.5 million people.
That gross number alone, 45.5 million, dwarfs all other demographic groups in that chart, other than all white Europeans combined, and perhaps all hispanics groups, combined.
And 24.9% of the black demographic (according to that graphic) amounts to 11.32 million people. There are reportedly approximately 40 million people currently under the federal SNAP program. Over eleven million of those 40 million (over 25%) are therefore black recipients.
Basic math creates basic facts.
And the open threats coming from individuals in that demographic, particularly in the major urban centers, to immediately steal and commit violence in their neighborhoods once their benefits end are manifold and evident just over the past several days.
We are not seeing those threats from elderly Italians or Iraqis. Nor does either group have an established history of committing such acts.
You and other gentleman (who confuses graph bars for actual demographics) obviously have an agenda. As if Minneapolis burning to the ground never even happened several years ago to you.
All you both seem to have are innuendo, accusations and ad hominems in response to those clear facts as to who are the biggest beneficiaries of the SNAP program.
Speaking of history, I’m also old enough to remember Detroit and Newark from the 1960s.
Got it – you don’t understand the difference between rationalism and science.
By the way, all math starts with axioms. This was one avenue that was mined during anti-enlightenment attacks leading into logical positivism and some other avenues of thought. One can build coherent systems using axioms and deduction yet end up with different “facts” (not really but I’ll humor you) – for example, Euclidian and Riemannian geometries lead in different directions in part because Riemannian geometry rejects certain Euclidian postulates. Yet, both systems are internally consistent. Facts are a different creature.
It has been an open discussion forever whether mathematical conclusions exactly parallel ontological/cosmological “facts”. It is two separate intellectual activities that overlap: 1) taking a set of consistent/coherent axioms and applying rules of logical deduction (we’ll leave inference out of this); and, 2) proving existential “facts”. We’ll also skip Godel’s Incompleteness theorems.
Math doesn’t create.
As for the demographic issues that are your real focus: you sure you have all the “facts”? Italians never engaged in organized crime? Iranians could never possibly be terrorists? You launched a discussion that started with merit, need and fraud and shifted it into the soft turf of race. That’s where your mind leads you – have at it!
And yes, my memories reach back to the early 60s. You don’t have a lock on “facts”….much less proof.
Live your best life!
Sounds like a good line of BS to me…
“Basic math” is not involved. The statistics I have seen are drawn from the Census Bureau “American Community Survey”. That’s probably the largest survey available, but you would need to examine the methodology and statistical methods employed before you can declare the numbers to be “facts”.
Facts are derived from evidence. Evidence exists in many forms. The credibility or reliability of any evidence has to be evaluated.
Deportations is another weapon the Dems use since you brought it up. My daughter is 40 and yes she has many biases that her generation has but I wish PT wouldn’t provide them amunition. I mean why deport someone who has been here 20 years with no criminal record? I mean it causes unnecessary fuel for in fighting when there are 15+ million that have been here less than 5 years and he will find it close to impossible to deport those people.
“I mean why deport someone who has been here 20 years with no criminal record?”
Are you referring to people who came in illegally?
If they entered the country illegally, then they have committed a crime. They just haven’t been caught yet.
What kind of argument are you making? If they just behave once they crash the border, it’s somehow ok? If you hide from authorities long enough, you get to stay?
Talk about bankrupt morality. They’re Illegal Aliens. That’s the law, and that’s the designated term of art in the federal statute.
Trump put up an ap for them to register.
The threat of deportation gets many who can self deport to do so.
I do not think Trump intends to send all the good illegals home, but rather to get the criminals and those who are not self-supporting to go home.
Then those remaining can go through a process to become legal residents and then apply for citizenship.
False, I said almost, which is correct. You can’t read charts and transliterate English?
“It is inclusively almost all immigrants.”
That’s not what the graphic illustrates.
Try writing more intelligently next time.
It is inclusively almost all immigrants. It certainly doesn’t depict what your view of what the entire chart shows. You picked one demographic group?. You said the chart depicts mostly black people and that they’re the majority? That’s not what the graphic illustrates.
I’d ask you what your point is, but you don’t have one. You’ve made that much clear.
You ought to pull that stick out of your butt, you might be able to see what your reading and not walk around half bent and with a wobble.
You can now go and argue with yourself if that’s you want to do. It’s a free country. Have a Nice Day.
Gee. When you can’t argue with facts, citations you go to “pull that stick out of your butt, you might be able to see what your reading and not walk around half bent and with a wobble”? Wow, convincing care, homeopathy. CLEARLY you must be correct.
And abused for five.
I grew up in the 50’s and when times were tough, I remember powdered eggs and cheese as a food staple during that hard time! The French Toast took lots and lots of syrup!
Also learned how to add by totaling up the dates on the calendar! Seems I always got to add up the Tuesday numbers in my head! Dad was tough on us kids, LOL!
Same, and powdered milk. My mom still talks about how she did not want to go on the dole and so we had hot dogs instead.
When Reagan won in ‘80 I remember them feeling like they had been liberated from East Germany.
We drank powdered milk on occasion growing up.
Considering how most of the world lived, we thought it was a blessing, and always gave thanks for it, the same as real milk.
There were no food stamps back in the 50’s. I remember there were times we felt lucky to eat bologna sandwiches.
But it wasn’t until I was drafted into the Army and making $88 a month that I had to eat powdered eggs. They were just about inedible. There were times that we thought that someone had misappropriated the funds or the food that was supposed to be feeding the soldiers.
Democrats slavery 2.0 . They (Democrats) have never considered blacks as their equals. Slavery 1.0, segregation, KKK, Jim Crow, all paved the way.
Memories of LBJ. SPIT!!!
Show your work on the 11.3 please.
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55% white, 23% black, 13% latino, 5% mixed, 2% Asian
We have a problem folks.
Minneapolis:
https://www.militaryimages.net/media/incoming.4664/full?d=1521487687
Don’t trust that chart. Has Native with an American flag, and also White with the same.
This is just anecdotal, but I live in a decent middle class area. Just while grocery shopping, I notice about 25-30% of people paying with their EBT card at the store. It’s all races, ages and abilities.
I was just going to ask, what percentage are illegal aliens?
You can bet we have been lied to for decades of only 11 to 16 million illegals in this country and that 40 million is probably a more accurate number of illegals.
How many Million illegal immigrants get Food Stamps / debit card?
They get a phone too so that they can communicate with people and ask for more money.
The phone is so they can be TRACKED.
Then removing them should be a “snap”.
So they can communicate with lawyers and dot gov.
The Obama phone?
And driver licenses in California and a few other “sanctuary” states along with voter rights, too! It’s a great hustle. “You come to emerika. Very good.”
That’s a good question. I know folks here in CA who have had trouble getting timely medical care since Gov. Nuisance himself gave illegals access to medicare via MediCal. Blew a giant hole in the budget, somewhere between 4-8 Billion.
The estimate is 4 to 11 million
Also consider the fact that the numbers of illegal aliens who receive benefits that aren’t included in the national average are on state subsidized “assistance” and you can guess which states do that. In fact Governor Shapiro just cut off state provided SNAP benefits in order to make the headline that it was due to the republicans
Gov. Hochul’s NY State headlines read similarly, forecasting cut-off of SNAP benefits for the month of November, projecting blame and adding that food banks are depleted.
Sounds like a government estimate….lol. Sure gave themselves a large spread just in case.
How many of those 42 million are illegals? 10 million? 20 million? More? However many citizens make up the remainder, it will probably still represent too many.
We could know the answer if anyone knew how many illegals are in what is left of our country.
No one knows for sure and the Democrats have made it that way. But it is possible to come up with a reasonable estimate, although even that may also be way off.
Remember the “11 million” figure that you kept hearing year after year? No one uses it still because the Biden influx clearly made it obsolete. 11 million had a good sound to it, at least to the MSM and those in DC who didn’t want to do anything about it. But that number did have an official source. It was contained in an April 2000 Census Bureau document (impossible now to find on their site) that had a mean estimate of 10.9 million in the country (it was based on numbers arrived at through late 1999). There were high and low estimates as well, but the 10.9 million mean rounded up nicely to 11 million and that is what was always used for years afterward.
That estimate also had another number never mentioned, which was an estimated annual mean increase of 750,000. If we start with calendar year 2000 (it was based on a late 1999 estimate, so the full year 2000 is a good place to start) and calculate the increase over 10.9 million through the end of 2020, just before the Biden influx started, then we have an adjusted pre-Biden number of 26,650,000 illegals. I think the most reliable estimate of the number Biden let in is another 20 million. Add that to the ones already here and at the start of Trump’s second term the number is right around 46,650,000.
If we accept the Trump administration numbers of self-deportations and actual deportations so far of around 2 million, then there may be in the neighborhood of 44.5 million still in the country still. If anyone can come up with a better estimate, I am very willing to consider it.
States administer SNAP benefits, but don’t pay for them so they have no incentive to remove illegals; in fact probably reduces the demand for programs the states do pay for.
Even when Food Stamps and other Aid are available many children still go without the proper amount food. The Parents / Parent are well fed but their children are neglected and malnourished. Unfortunately this is a common occurrence.
This is pure BS. I have seen many of your posts, and you are just a communist troll. Food stamps have always been nothing more than a vehicle to suppress the motivation of poor people to improve themselves. A vehicle to enslave them to government support, rather than motivate them to support themselves. The only good government policy should be to encourage people to improve themselves on their own, free from government support. Another policy for good government would be to execute all communists.
The big problem that you are blind to are the effects of government intrusion into the lives of good, productive people. Biden’s and Dem state policies have put many good people back on their heels.
To you it’s all just chalked up to personal failure. That’s a hackneyed and disproven “Republican” viewpoint.
Pride cometh before the fall. Mr. Iacoveo.
No, you misunderstand me – I object to any government intrusion at all. In a country such as ours, with millions of imaginative and productive people, government is a pariah. Government, by its very nature, is inherently destructive to all efforts of free people to improve themselves.
I object to any and all government efforts to interfere with the free activity of people to improve themselves by whatever means they find amenable. Government is the enemy, as it has always been.
“Saberfencer” is a commie troll, and that’s where my comment was directed. What is your opinion about his obvious communist sympathies?
I tend to ignore the trolls.
42 million good productive people.
Apparently not.
If you read upthread, I agree there is waste, fraud, and freeloading. I’m taking about previously hardworking Americans who are truly in need. It’s a small percentage of the total, and I am loathe to roll them up with the others who may very well be working the system.
I’ve read some parents sell their benefits for enough cash to feed their addictions, leaving neither the parents nor the children properly fed.
So after the taxpayer provided SNAP or Aid to Families With Dependent Children or other programs, we additionally get to feed these children through the programs for indigent children provided through the public schools.
Sadly I’ve witnessed this very thing happening
My stepson called and said his girlfriend just got her foodstamps, and he asked how to cook live lobster!!!! I told him I didn’t know how to cook live lobster,BECAUSE I’VE NEVER BOUGHT THEM BEFORE.
Nobody that can’t feed themselves should go hungry, but the people paying shouldn’t have to budget their money, and the recipients DON’T.
rant over…
Lobster; the ocean’s cockroach.
Yeah, but a dang tasty one!
There was a day when inmates in New England were fed lobster more days than not – the market among those with money had not been created.
I actually know how to cook lobster, not because they were bought, but caught. They are certainly pricey and and a lot of work to get the meat off them.
I’d rather a cheap pot roast… but it’s tough finding one these days.
I certainly don’t want people to go hungry, but I’m over paying for steak and lobster when I budget for chicken leg quarters.
The only thing you cannot purchase with food stamps is a college education. Go figure.
I’ve also been shocked at the amount of ‘food stamps’ some people get. I hear them talking, see what they are buying and it’s hard to not be a bit annoyed that their card has more loaded on it each month than twice our grocery budget. A grocery budget that we pay for.
Then again I see seniors who are just scraping by with no assistance buying the cheapest food they can find.
No idea here either about the many who rely on SNAP benefits. Long ago and far away in time, my sister was having a hissy fit about people not getting money for food. My friend, who is very a Christian person said to her something like “teach a person to fish, and they will be able to feed themselves. Give them a fish and they will never learn to feed themselves.”
I really don’t like the idea of people losing the benefits they have come to rely on, and I can count at least six people I know who use them. Some are definitely in need, and others are Entrepreneur’s who have been hard scrambler’s for most of their lives. And then there are those who are hale and hearty and take the benefit’s just because they can.
Don’t know where I am going with this comment. Just wish I knew how to teach people what it means to “fish” for themselves.
Yeah as long as big Gov. has not impounded or destroyed their fishing gear and broken all their fingers.
I know a gal here who had 40 years into a specialized career and whose employer used covid as an excuse to close up shop.
She worked diligently for years to find a job, and here in CA, white and elderly need not apply.
In fact I read somewhere recently that all the job creation in CA has been going to to illegals!
She used up her savings and finally had to get SNAP. She’s hanging on until she hits 62 so she can collect her SS benefits.
And don’t give me that Ben Fastalker shit about SS not being earned. She earned every dime she will ever collect.
Sounds like me.
Her problem is where she lives.
Indeed, I urged her to move out of CA. But her Elderly Mom also lives in CA, and won’t budge from the home she owns. (and who would disown the daughter if she moved away.
Daughter also owns a home but is trapped by a 3.5% mortgage that is the only thing making life affordable at all.
Many of us in CA are trapped by the fact that we own homes that would be very costly to replicate almost anywhere nowadays due to high mortgage rates. Sure, we could take our equity and move down and own outright, but that’s a bridge many won’t cross.
There are many MAGA out here, many lifers, but we routinely get lumped in with all the “nuts and fruits”.
I hope she doesn’t have to forfeit benefits by claiming social security at age 62?
Terri, thanks for your insights. She will lose snap, and is fine with that. She will be happy to not be that far in need ever again.
A synonym for “work”.
We’re already seeing folks appearing to be stalked in the walmart parking lot as they leave and return to their cars. Some have begun requesting and receiving escorts back to their cars after shopping. Apparently what’s being seen by the store’s security cameras justifies these escorts in the store management’s view.
A deeply unholy alliance between the tribe, the county and the state, generously funded by the feds, has created a dreadfully oversized “rehab facility” in the middle of our small town.
It attracts the worst element possible into the community to suck up the seemingly unlimited amount of free drugs and services now generously made available as part of their “treatment.” This includes food stamps.
Zoning and safety laws do not apply to the facility, its activities or impacts thanks to the protections of sovereignty provided by the tribe fronting for it.
So the inner cities won’t be the only places at risk soon if the shutdown continues.
Indeed, Ma, the fallout could be tremendous. Everywhere.
I have a feeling the democrats are counting on it.
Near major urban areas, should the worst case develop, be prepared for “road trips” into nearest surrounding suburbs if the food stamp system collapses, after the inner city food sources are first looted out.
People cannot go without food for more than about a week before society begins to completely break down. And grocers are not going to quickly resupply locations once emptied by looters.
What’s your solution?
The obvious immediate solution is for Senate Democrats to end their political insurrection over 1.5 Trillion more dollars — for free healthcare for illegal aliens — and vote to re-open the federal government.
Until Democrats give up their intentional holdup of the American people, there will be no solution. And it may devolve into an eventual martial law situation in these areas.
We now have millions of people in this country who believe they are entitled to free food.
The left has created this problem, and now they are activating it to violence.
Correcting the widespread entitlement program dependency that one side has developed into an institutional electoral ghetto is going to take much more time, and a more multi-pronged solution, over several years.
That’s the obvious part – ending the shutdown. We all agree with that. Agree with your assignment of culpability as well.
What’s your solution if the shutdown drags on and has the consequences you project in the near term?
I know folks who have a solution – limited as it is. When I first arrived in FL some “survivalists” who are ex-mil/vets sugegsted renting a boat slip at a local base. The slips have electrical access and benefit from protected boundaries and, most especially, military base’s priority for food.
Not my cup of tea…but there are people out there thinking about alternatives under adverse circumstances.
I’m not attacking you. I’m genuinely interested in “after the fact” solutions. Self preparation and neighborhood alliances have been covered at CTH for several years. Are there other options?
Send in the national guard?
Oh wait…
Yep. Sadly this is the potential reality, and I feel pretty sure most folks aren’t ready for it, either in terms of their pantries or their self defense. And I think a lot of the democrat faction are licking their chops at the prospect of it.
Ah, yes! The ideological aspects of communism continue to slowly drift over our once proud and strong countryside, leaving behind crime and despair. How do we stop it when our politicians won’t?
One either endures the suffering brought by outrageous fortune……..or by opposing end them.”
Excluding suicide as an option, of course!
We’ll do it with God’s help and a steely resolve, because this is America, and Americans overcome stuff the rest of the world cannot.
Everything I saw during the Great Divider’s tenure made sense only through the prism of his trying to bring the Cloward-Piven destruction of America to fruition. Bring in lots of needy and expensive third-worlders, spend the nation into such excessive national debt that it could never be repaid, get vast more people on government dependence, and voilá! You’ve got your basic Marxist anarchy.
Now add in his hatred of the armed forces and other law enforcement, his love of criminals, his extreme arming of hitherto white collar type agencies, his heavy-handed governmental overreach (remember the BLM and puddles reclassified as water sources? His war on raw or unpasteurized milk? His torment of the Plain people?).
Looking at the above graph brings it all back. This guy, only seven years after 9/11.
Now Mamdani in NYC. And people think it will be a temporary learning curve.
But obie wasn’t counting on President Trump, the marx buster.
Very few people “learn” much of anything these days. Gimme, gimme, gimme.
Sadly I will respectfully disagree, though just on your verbiage. I today’s USA, you don’t need to ask. You just get. I’m old too, VOWG – I remember a time when people asked, humbly, for help. Long gone I fear. For government officials, NGOs- well the more you push out the door, the money you get from taxpayers, and staffers, even get bonuses for your fine work. Upside world, VOWG.
What is VOWG?
Very old white guy, the moniker for this poster.
Jesus said to give to whoever asks; I always think it must have been different before fund-raising, solicitations, were constant, before they became full time jobs.
He never said to petition the government to take more from everybody else to give to those who ask.
Before our nation had a huge built-in support system we had a charitable population. When individuals asked for help it was from individuals; when individuals gave, it was to individuals. This is the Christian model – it personalizes those to whom we are giving, and it provides incentive to those who need to ask for help from their neighbors. When people are acquainted they are less likely to take advantage.
Also, this cuts out the many middle men and most of the waste (think the Clinton Foundation in Haiti after a natural disaster, the Haitians don’t seem to remember receiving any actual help).
When our current government discusses making cuts they are limited; over 65% of expenditures are “entitlements” and they can’t be touched!
“Poverty” has become an industry and it is very profitable for those administering the poverty.
ICYMI – FYI – WTF – Trust Science – ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
To qualify for SNAP benefits, your gross monthly income must generally be at or below 130% of the federal poverty line.
Nationally about 37% of SNAP participants were individuals with disabilities or seniors…
SNAP benefits are from about $4.80 to about $6.20 per person per day in 2024. ($144-$186 a month)
The average monthly Food expenses is around $572 per month for a single person(BLS data).
https://www.cbpp.org/research/food-assistance/a-closer-look-at-who-benefits-from-snap-state-by-state-fact-sheets#Alabama
https://www.sofi.com/learn/content/average-monthly-expenses-for-one-person/
My wife and I (both seniors) live in high cost-of-living eastern Massachusetts , and we eat very well for less than $400 each per month (no restaurants).
WHAT???? You don’t limit your food to Door Dash deliveries for your meals!!!! Clearly you are both seniors that worked for whatever money/wealth you made through what, 45 years of labor. In today’s America, you two are freaks.
If they’re single and spending almost $600 a month on food, then they’re not shopping right. I can eat well for under $300 a month.
$600 a month is Steaks Every Night money.
CBPP has an agenda I would characterize as pro-SNAP, so you have to look carefully at their sources and methodology.
The foodstamp money should not be flowing through corporations that politicians own stock in. That’s money laundering at it’s finest.
I guarantee you there are plenty of food banks run by churches that will be able to help those who will truly need it. I have served at more than one
Not in my city. Earlier this year I was practically begging local food banks to pick up about 100 #10 cans of non-perishable food. Flour, sugar, legumes, nonfat milk, other staples. I realized I wouldn’t live long enough to use the food – perfect cans, no rust, dings or dents, all with 10 to 25 years of remaining shelf life. They didn’t want the cans but a financial donation was welcomed. Two places were interested but failed to show up at the appointed time to pick up the cans. Finally found a food bank in another city that took the food — for a family of ten people.
A lot of posts casting political blame, but this is just another aspect of the decades-long decline of the US.
A lot of people ranted for years about the federal overspending, eventually bound to come to a head – well it’s coming to a head.
It all boils down to the gradual loss of the former industrial/scientific strength starting about 50 years ago, beginning with the social upheavals of the 1960’s-70’s which commenced identity class “equity” prioritized over merit in mandated “social engineering” programs.
The US educational system has been dumbed down, the plandemic lockdowns knocked things down even further, and now AI is further degrading it in step with academic corruption. US science and engineering graduates are apparently way behind the caliber of Asian graduates, and China continues getting stronger while the US continues sinking. This is fundamental.
(I’ve seen inside the local engineering university with formerly good reputation, and its far worse than you know.)
All signs point to managed decline, steered from zip code 22101.
The [plandemic and shots] further degraded the US populace, adding to the sinking impetus – this could be the real reason for the apparent [Biowarfare Program] with the modRNA shots ONLY targeting the US axis nations (not the other nations).
Black pill: There is no way to Make America Great Again with these profound degradations – it takes people but the people have been too degraded.
Now we have “a front row seat at a slow-motion train wreck”.
If you live in a blue state, God help you if you can’t defend yourself with lawfully-carried firearms.
If you live in a red state – stock up on ammo while its still available at reasonable cost and get some range time.
Far too many have grown accustomed to govt. assistance. If people had to rely on their own two hands, their own grit the USA would be a better place. Quite certain that govt. programs originated with good intention. No disrespect for verifiable needy folk. Matthew 6:26. We are a nation of failure, by our own mentality.
Golly, maybe by actually working to eat the level of obesity (in 2023, 40% of all American adults, 49.5% of adult black Americans, and 45.6% of all Hispanic adult Americans – per CDC and NIH) would drop too? We’d even save healthcare $$ for the rise in diabetes type 2, heart disease, stroke, some cancers, and sleep apnea ( all correlated with obesity) as well.
The parabola started with Obama….of course. The worst President in History and possibly the worst leader overall of any country. Not American, Not Competent, But Evil.
‘The parabola started with Obama…’
Case in point: Blaming incidental political figures, ignoring the big picture.
Talking about crew rearranging the deck furniture on the tilting deck as the Titanic sinks.
Intentional misdirection to control the skittish passengers as it sinks?
The Kenyan never produced a legit Birth Certificate!
Democrats beware!! I suspect that the majority of those 40+ million SNAP recipients are….Democrat voters.
They want mass unrest. You have their leaders urging on violence in the streets and “civil war”.
Somehow, conservative states have finally grown the fortitude to aggressively redistrict, as blue states have for decades. And the VRA is about to be substantially neutered. The combination may flip 20+ congressional districts red.
Their party itself has been gripped by an internal civil war for nearly a decade, and the communists are now winning it.
Their replacement voting base is leaving. They can’t stop PDJT 2.0. Violence and revolt are all they have left at the moment.
Their increasing call to violence and refusal to continue government is by design. They want a societal breakdown now. They’ve lost the politics game. They are on the cusp of losing two critical gubernatorial races next week, including in deep blue New Jersey. All they can do is consolidate power further in their remaining strongholds, such as NYC and the 3-4 states they still can rig elections in.
And foment insurrection against the rest of America.
That party should have been outlawed after the first Civil War.
“We have accepted today the existence in perpetuity of a permanent underclass of scores of millions who cannot cope and must be carried by society — fed, clothed, housed, tutored, medicated at taxpayer’s expense their entire lives. We have a dependent nation the size of Spain in our independent America. We have a new division in our country, those who pay a double or triple fare, and those who ride forever free.”
— Suicide of a Superpower- Pat Buchanan
Read The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck for insight into the original basis.
Then look at how this was exploited along with identity class quotas starting in 1964 to gradually sink America.
In both, the compassion impulse was exploited.
Q: Which sex with the most compassion impulse was elevated to political dominance by identity class “equity” quotas, leading to these consequences?
A: The same sex overrepresented in many similar social influences, e.g. pulling illegal immigrants across the border, giving them assistance, and enabling their crimes.
Wow…what a way with words.
No one should be on food stamps except people who are disabled,
44M in Feb 2011? 14 year old data?
Wondering just how many millions are on EBT today. Double the 44M number in 2011?
Grocery chains across the country should brace for a post Nov 1st crime surge. Thank you, democrats, the most destructive force in America.
A bunch of these people sell the “stamps” at a discount and use the money to buy alcohol and or drugs. Then they go to the local food pantry for food.
Food stamps are no more than a huge handout to the Corporations like Kroger and Walmart. 8 billion a month! Walmart hires part time people at a low wage and they end up living in subsidized housing and receiving food stamps. The tax payer basically carries half the wage for Walmart.
Wow 42 million people at the trough and people think that is OK. Things are not right.
Illegals do make up a significant number of the people receiving SNAP
“Government Shutdown: SNAP Is Running Out of Money, Democrats Angry Illegal Aliens No Longer Qualify”
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/10/government-shutdown-snap-is-running-money-democrats-angry/
This is the one bit of “news” that causes me pause, more than the international/national politics.
This is the first President and GOP who have dared to take the Democrats to the mat over spending, which is a good thing.
Who knew so many people were on government assistance? It was news to me. And a wake up call for all of us.
Sadly, “we” have allowed the Welfare system to get completely out of control. It literally encourages men to leave women so that the women can receive benefits, but they are still “friends with benefits”. It encourages continued child bearing because the more kids you have, the more money you get. It encourages people not to work, but rely on all of us for their sustenance, which is wholly unfair. And worst of all, it encourages a culture of government dependence. A very sad state of affairs.
The additional concerning part is that the TikTokers have been publishing rants about how they are going to steal and loot for what they normally would get through assistance. And daring anyone to stop them. 40 million ragers. Let that sink in. On a practical level, anyone with any sense who can do so should stock up now if they haven’t already and avoid the grocery stores like the plague so as not to get caught up in the raging.
In our little rural town, our food banks, of which there are several, and our churches on every street corner, and concerned citizens are all banding together to help those in need in our community. I wouldn’t want to be anywhere near a “blue”, Democrat run, urban area at this time.
Democrats 100% own this.
SHUT IT DOWN.
Tell me WHY homeless have PHONES? Yes, they do. ALL have phones.
EVERYONE has phones, hair weaves, finger nails; YET have NO problem coming and asking for assistance and hand-outs EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE RECEIVING EVERY benefit KNOWN to man. And, MOST live in govt housing or subsidy, FREE or very low rent.
Again, WHY am I concerned.
It’s cradle to the grave mentality of the govt teat.
Small biz and farm sector ARE STRUGGLING, MIGHTILY with this admin. WE NEED to let Russia, Ukraine, Israel GO and worry about OUR OWN.
This epic chimpout will make the Summer of Floyd look benign. If you thought “black fatigue” was growing, outright calls for segregation are going to go mainstream after this stuff goes down.
When I was a young man people did what they could to stay OFF of government assistance. Where I live now people do everything the can to GET ON government assistance. There are MANY in my RURAL area that have plenty that hold their hand out all the time. MANY
But what are lower strata people in rural areas to do if they are not already landowners or otherwise set up for decent gainful income?
When you leave the affluent enclaves and drive through the rural areas the overall American condition is very clear. If you open your eyes, that is.
This problem became worse with the deindustrialization of America.
No wonder there is so much despair and drug abuse.
‘This problem became worse with the deindustrialization of America.’
And the flood of near-slave-labor from south of the border.
Businesses, including farming, love it.
The HAND UP was created to be temporary and morphed onto the HAND OUT………which has become PERMANENT
I’ve got the Solution. Every EBT/ SNAP recipient should report to the Local Health Department for their very own Lone Star Tick, loaded to the gills with Alpha Galactose Syndrome to be applied by tweezers to the fatback area of the Food Acquisition Impaired.. if I can lose 50 pounds, so can they.
“Food Acquisition Impaired.”
Can I use that?
Lol
You have a way with words, Florida Man.
Here’s another-
“Vegan” is an ancient Indian word for “bad hunter.”
Cheers, Scooter!
Cheers, Scooter!
If SNAP is unavailable on Nov 1, it’s the scenario that many conspiracy theorists say will cause urban riots across the blue cities.
We’ll see…
We have had those for decades. Remember the Saint George Floyd riots?
It’s going to be a nail biter..
How much if the $ actually goes to food and how much goes to fraud when cards are sold off? How many “recipients” actually exist and how many are ineligible or No Name Given (see the technique for CDL) or illegal? Check in the Boston to see how much $ is used to crate and ship foodstuffs to foreign countries by ineligible card holders?
In short – I don’t take any of the reporting at face value. It’s meaningless in light of the magnitude of the fraud involved. See Obamacare and Covid and any other government program for the strategy and tactics.
one of my family members used to sell her bennies to other family members for cash, for booze and drugs
Friend works at a local store here in town. She see women come in with thousands of dollars on their EBT cards. She says this is the norm not the exception. All able bodied people just with their hand in my cookie jar.
I think this is what the democraps want. The people on food stamps don’t pay attention to our government and they only know one name to blame and it’s not who deserves the blame.
This data page shows the problem better:
https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/food-nutrition-assistance/supplemental-nutrition-assistance-program-snap/key-statistics-and-research
Notice the massive spike in SNAP during the autopen regime…
People always attribute the obesity epidemic to junk food. But what if the real reason is easy access (swipe a card!) to junk food?
It was a give away for votes.
So, more than 11.5% of the US population (342 million) can’t feed itself. Think about that.
‘…can’t feed itself.’
or
‘…won’t feed itself?’
( because gov’t will do it for ‘free’ )
But, taxpayers do not miss think that gov.’t spending is ‘free’. – because it is not ‘free’.
Imho
Let’s try these figures, just for fun:
There are around 42,000,000 people on SNAP.
There are around 89,000,000 people on Medicaid.
There are only around 135,000,000 full time employed workers.
Now do your %’s of these programs costs to be paid by full time working people in order to support those programs.
For Snap that would equal 31% of all the full time workers and for Medicaid that would be 65.92%.
That’s a pretty heavy burden to carry, eh?
The number should be at least as high as the unemployment rate around 4% and more, due to many jobs don’t pay much, but 3 times unemployment?
This is an opportunity to use any “immediate need” requests as a filter to eliminate Illegal Alien participation in the SNAP program.
McDonald’s better up their ‘Theft’ write-offs.
Food stamps are easy to get and, unlike welfare, don’t depend on family. A single, poor person can get food stamps. Just be under the guide lines. Not sure how difficult it is to sign up though.
I had to be on stamps many years ago, I made under 8000 USD/year, had no car, was working,,,,in the stamp office, I saw welfare queens come in driving really nice vehicles, babies with gold bracelets, and they got hundreds in stamps per month, I got $70 per month for two kids, was told I wouldn’t get anymore, to get a better job….I say stop the SNAP/EBT crap in its tracks, get off your fat @$$3$ and work like I did
Chart is all on Zero/Obummer, ushered in his view of the world, illegals flowing, tax payer money funding
At this point that man needs to hang
SNAP Is Running Out of Money, Democrats are Angry that Illegal Aliens No Longer Qualify and will go back home before the 2026 and 2028 elections.
Democrats Say They Won’t End Schumer Shutdown Until ‘Planes Are Falling Out of the Sky’!
DNCommunist = free healthcare for foreigners 1.5 TRILLION DOLLARS
DNCommunist = free healthcare for foreigners! Why should Americans pay more taxes to take food out of their children’s mouths for someone else?
Forty million is an absurd number. From my own experience I can explain some of the fraud. Of course.we have non citizens on it. We also have young college students living in dorms with a food ticket who are collecting the EBT card. From experience I know this, because one tried to buy me some groceries if I would pay her the money. We also have homeless/drug addicts who are also selling theirs, I suspect less than 20% who collect EBT are in actual need. Stand in a Walmart line and watch, the young girls with hundreds of dollars in eyelashes and fingernails, holding an iPhone while collecting EBT. That is not a myth. I remember many years ago during the Carter administration, Husban lost his job, we had two babies 15 months apart. The day I woke up with no milk in the house, I signed up for assistance. It was the most shameful day of my life. Eventually, husband was able to get a job and I went to the welfare office to get off the dole. It was explained to me over and over that I was eligible for 6 weeks.more. I kept saying no I don’t want it. For two more months I kept getting food stamps in the mail. I would call and be told they are yours keep them. I trashed them. I could see they were disappointed in my attitude. That was 50 years ago and that attitude is what got us into this mess. The Great Society was supposed to be temporary not a full time ride for people who didn’t want to work.
That is not the only publicly untold story about people taking advantage of federal aid programs.
(only because someones bragged about how smart ‘they’ are 5 years ago or so….)
there is like a hidden communication network of ‘how to’
get federal ( from taxpayers ) money (for housing, food, etc.).
By word of mouth, they know whom to contact, and how to sound needy (or how to loudly complain). And the techniques are passed onto the children…whom become adults over time… wash, rinse, repeat…
(apparently some of the tricks are to use different names, and / or addresses over every so n so many years…to befuddle those checking up.)
And the honest people, work, pay taxes, try to make ends meet…
(while the dishonest think that they are honestly playing the game with govm’t. programs…because its not the game players fault,
its the faults of
‘those govm’t employees in govm’t programs getting played’ every day.
…whom also get paid, regardless (so, proverbially ‘getting played’ is no skin off the govm’t employees back.
And if the honest taxpayers do not know… then hey,
(like hc said)
what difference does it make?)
p.s.
dis honesty does make a difference – not in a good way.
[ seen the national debt? ]
imho
Well our “demshevik” friends are returning to their Leninist-Trotskyite roots with increasing street violence and legislative “resistance”not too dissimilar to the actions taken against the Kerensky government pre Bolshevik revolution.
So the Democrats are holding the US government funding for hostage unless they get $1.5 Trillion for what they want.
42,000,000 people on SNAP at a cost of $8 Billion a month = $96 Billion per year means their $1.5 trillion holdout would pay for over 15 years of SNAP. Tell the people upset about SNAP being delayed about that!
Has anyone seen or know what the average or mean time for someone being on SNAP? Is it 1 year? 3 years? 5,10,15, 20 years?
Just so you know under Obama the formula for poverty line changed . PREVIOUSLY it was the inability to afford a basket of essential goods food housing transportation clothes.
Those numbers were combined with census data to get the supplemental poverty line with a 16 % average varying by state California at 20%
Then that average is applied year after year based on the census phone survey. So the dollar amount is adjusted to match the 16 % average, again with each state at different levels.
Then it is adjusted one more time to 130% of the poverty line
So a family of 3 at 34,000 would qualify. However it is a sliding scale of benefits my guess is the majority of those qualifying for 10 to 50 dollars of benefit a month are probably ignoring it so eligible probably far exceeds actual recipients.
With an average benefit of 187 dollars amonth times 40 million we are talking about a 100 billion dollar a
Annual economy.
I can’t imagine a scenario where a bridge bill is not passed Big Food, Big Ag, Big retail, as well as small retailers and Bodagas, are all largely dependent here one month without foodstamps would close a lot of local groceries.
In an evil world Meijer s Publics Kroger and Walmart would let this go for a month. So maybe I should hedge my bet a bit.
There must be a reason for these escalating numbers. WHY? are more people in need? OR is the Government Standard for qualifying becoming to “loose”?
Deport all illegals that are hungry or not. When they get “home” they will work for their food.
And that will make them better citizens in the long run.
The sooner the better.
The government is very efficient at waste, fraud, corruption and money laundering.
If we approach this in a common sense way, we should have a sense of how many recipients is acceptable. There are standards of performance in most all industries and professions. Shouldn’t we have a number for how many people we think is OK to get food stamps? Could it be historically based?
I’m not saying just cut off at some point. I’m saying that as a society we should set some limits and qualifications that give us useful information about Americans and their finances. If we have reasonable limits and the numbers go up, we should find out why. If the numbers go down, same thing.
So, I ask, what is acceptable percent of population that we should be helping? Right now, 40 million is about 11.4% of the approximate 350 million people in America. Is that too high or too low? Shouldn’t we look at it as a reflection of the economy and the willingness of society to provide benefits. There is also the dependency factor and giving away freebies to get votes.
If you look at historical numbers there are similar economic times where we can see relative participation rates. It is obvious that presidential policies can influence this rate upward and downward.
https://epicforamerica.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/growing-food-stamp-enrollment.webp
why stop at 2011?