Andrew Kolvet, the Executive Producer of The Charlie Kirk Show was Charlie’s best friend. Following the memorial service he sat down for a lengthy podcast interview with Alex Clark. WATCH:
Reference points:
0:00 intro
1:38 Charlie’s last weeks
3:59 Charlie’s urge for International travels
4:38 His favorite form of exercise
5:50 Sharing the Gospel in Tokyo
6:55 Conservative infighting about Israel
15:22 Prepping Erika for Opportunists
18:04 Andrew’s “out-of-body” experience
20:06 How Charlie treated women
22:14 Andrew calls Charlie a “prophet”
24:05 Erika’s confidence in Charlie’s investigation
26:29 Charlie’s problems with Alex
28:17 Charlie & Erika behind the scenes
31:10 Fox vs. Charlie?
34:16 Charlie was “Mr. MAHA”
36:26 Why did TPUSA Team take down cameras?
38:40 Charlie’s true view of politics
39:22 The future for Charlie’s tours & Charlie’s show
42:34 Andrew’s remedy for healing a sick culture
I listened to the whole thing. Who’s buying what he’s selling? The magic bullet miracle?
Not me, did the surgeon make a statement. Did Andrew see the bullet. Is there an autopsy report.
Never-mind that the surgeon talking to this guy is a HIPPA violation. Give me a break. Not buying it.
Autopsies are not directly subject to HIPAA, as HIPAA’s Privacy Rule primarily protects the health information of living individuals. Instead, autopsy reports are governed by state laws, and while medical examiners and coroners may receive PHI to determine the cause of death, they are generally not considered “covered entities” under HIPAA.
This wasn’t autopsy it was the surgeon
Did they even do an autopsy?
Good question, you don’t have to have one done.
Yes.
I would think it likely that the doctor had permission from Erica to discuss this info with him…and he had permission from Erika to state it publically.
If Andrew was there with Erika during the conversation there was no violation. That implies consent.
Everyone who is upset the surgeon made his comments wants to see the autopsy report, which is ironic.
Yes, according to an article posted a couple days ago, the surgeon said it was “a miracle” that the bullet was stopped by Kirk’s body. There was no exit wound. He was aware that it’s a hunting caliber and normally would have gone through the body and then potentially hurt or killed others (there are crew members on the other side of the tent who were in the bullet’s trajectory). He tried to rationalize that Kirks’s young bones and bone density may have contributed to stopping the bullet, but at the same time he said it was highly unusual: i.e. a miracle. The coroner said they did recover the bullet and it underneath Kirk’s skin . I don’t know what you’d call that OTHER THAN a magic bullet miracle. Just like Trump turning his head at the perfect time and just the right amount to avoid a fatal head shot.
Here’s the article: https://www.newsnationnow.com/politics/charlie-kirk-bullet-exit-wound/
Right after Candace Owen’s said there was No blood on Charlie’s back. No blood spray in the back either.
That is consistent with a bullet stopping in the neck.
I’m sorry, but I don’t understand your questions.
Evidently not you and probably regardless of whatever evidence is put in front of you.
You are being inappropriate.
Why does the first comment to this video need to be so hateful?
Where is the hate? Asking questions is not hateful.
That is one of the derailment strategies SD listed way long ago on his rolcon – role playing as a conservative – post.
The site is full of role players and dividers now.
And armchair lawyers and forensic experts who have seen 2 videos and nothing else and insist they know it couldn’t be as simple as it was.
Where’s the cut and dried explanation then?
And armchair lawyers and forensic experts who have seen 2 videos and nothing else and insist they know it couldn’t be as simple as it was.
I resemble that remark.
LOL
0.o
Stirring.
Magic bullet, speculation from top internet sleuths? Narrative spinning is so easy
Stop!
Was it really a “magic bullet”?
Looked to me from what I could tell that the bullet hit him upper left chest, ricocheted off body armor into his neck, and killed him.
IF that’s what happened, very possible that a deformed bullet, the momentum of which was largely absorbed by the armored vest, could leave an atypical entrance wound, and that the bullet could have, by hitting bone, then stayed in the body.
My only question would then be was the vest strong enough to stop penetration from .30-06 bullet. I have no idea about that.
But I have not seen any conspiracy theory address, one way or another, the idea of momentum absorption explaining why the bullet didn’t blow Charlie’s head off.
It’s been reported he wasn’t wearing body armor
So the first reports that he did was incorrect? If so, I stand corrected in my take on the bullet’s trajectory. That shooter was as lucky as Trump’s Butler shooter was not…
I don’t know. I was just relaying information. Nothing more.
Charlie was not wearing a bulletproof jacket or Kevlar vest
He was wearing a t shirt. No body armor
Charlie Kirk – What Really Happened? Did Body Armor Contribute? Part 1
His wife and others have already said he WAS NOT wearing armor and a photo posted from the side and behind before he was shot clearly shows there was nothing underneath his thin shirt. Let’s stop with the stupid conspiracies. SMH
Charlie Kirk – What Really Happened Part II
Such nonsense. He was wearing a Tshirt. No evidence of body armor beneath it.
But even if there was, a bullet hitting the torso, and ricocheting toward his neck (if even ballistically possible) would have visibly damaged the Tshirt.
And as Charlie falls backward and the blood begins escaping from his neck, it is plain to see that there is no damage to the Tshirt.
Such nonsense.
It has been confirmed HE WAS NOT wearing body armor.
Yours is the most measured and plausible comment on this topic I have seen.
I own several .30-06 hunting rifles. I have fired many hundreds of rounds with those rifles pushing bullets of nearly every type, size and weight that exist. I have seen the devastating results of the .30-06 round on steel, wood, concrete and the tissue and bone of some 15 good sized deer. From my experience, I have very serious doubts that CK was hit by a .30-06 round, or that his clavicle or vertebrae somehow had a “man of steel”character. Something just doesn’t add up.
Charlie Kirk – What Really Happened? Did Body Armor Contribute?
Charlie Kirk – What Really Happened Part II
Not to mention anyone can go on youtube and just watch a plethora of .30-06s being tested.
A bullet will often go through moose bone and out the other side.
Something much thicker and tougher than Arnold Swarznegger in his younger days or Hulk Hogan in his best shape
With all respect to Charlie Kirk.
I’ve seen this said over and over again by hunters very familiar with this gun, they’ve said what they think would have happened if he got hit in the head with that gun, or even near the head -but I’m not going to write that because it’s too graphic. People know what we mean.
I don’t know about all these gun details, but I think that it’s interesting that I’m seeing the same thing said over and over again by people that are experienced hunters and gun people.
Praise the Lord!
I’ve finally found a poster I know.
* waving to you from NH *
Damn Right, Sir. I’ve tried to tell ‘em.
I don’t hunt and know nothing about guns. However I read some posts on a hunting forum from two years ago and though rare there were two hunters talking about that type of bullet where they each had an instance with no exit wound. So not likely…but possible?
The human body is no match for that round. If that bullet can go through a thousand pound animal depending on its path, shot from the same distance Charlie was, what chance does the neck of a 180 pound man have, no matter what type of bullet is used?
I will be the first to say that bullets can and will do weird things once they are fired from time to time. But not this “weird”. . It’s more about the lack of devastation from the shockwave of the impact. If that makes sense.
There are rounds that fragment on impact, leaving little to no trace of ballistics to match to a weapon.
Designed to prevent damage to anything behind the target.
Frangible ammo. Quite common.
Not possible 30.06 will penetrate a bear skull. The rule for hunting bear never go for the head. Human vertebrate it will barely slow down. Why they lie is beyond imagination.
I’m wondering if they are lying or simply don’t know.
We see every single day that these people are not as smart as they think they are.
As a kid who grew up hunting and had a 30-ought-6 (how it is pronounced), I concur with Bill. The accuracy is there with a scope but the lack of damage from the bullet doesn’t add up.
Yeah, it’s called GOD. Miracles can and do happen. How else would you explain it? Hey, I know… let’s make up some crazy conspiracy theory!
Iv’e seen bullets do some mighty strange things. I’m curious about the ammo. Modern? 1939? How many grains? I haven’t seen any mention of the ammo and its provenance. The opposite of blackout is subsonic.
Reload?
Wait, aren’t there pictures of these rounds with those fruity engravings on ‘em?
Maybe we can see the rear end of one of them? That could help steer the discussion as well as narrow down what sort of projectile we are wrastlin’ over..
I don’t think he’s selling anything. It’s very possible the bullet did not exit. We still have no details on what type rounds the assassin was using.
Have you seen the video showing the guy in white at Charlie’s “5 o’clock” appearing to fire a pistol, probably with a silencer?
You clearly see Kirk’s body move in a predictable direction based on what looks like the actual kill shot coming from that “man in white”.
“Tyler Robinson”, if that’s even his real name, didn’t kill anybody in my view.
The same people behind what happened in Butler are the same people who carried this out.
Just stop.
Suppressors still make a lot of noise. Even the best of the best will be clearly audible.
If a firearm was used in close proximity to CK many, in that huge crowd would have noticed it. Even assuming the shooter shot from the hip, and didn’t bother to visibly take aim, no way would it have been surreptitious.
Some of the assumptions are erroneous, and some are bordering on the ridiculous
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/17JieSGN93/
Take a look for yourself.
Until this facebook video has some forensic corroboration to prove it’s veracity, I’ll disregard it.
I believe it.
“Charlie was upset he couldn’t criticize Israel without being called an anti-Semite”
A whole lot of people are.
You can say that again.
That should tell you all. It just further confirms it for me. I’ve been smeared with every disparaging label imaginable. But, I’ve yet to be called a liar
If you want to know who’s in control, just see who you can’t criticize.
No matter how you feel about Kanye West, when he made is comments about the money changers, holly weird, music moguls, etc they all pushed back saying it wasn’t true.
The next thing they did was prove him right by cancel contracts, pressure people to stop selling his goods, divorce, not see his kids and freeze his banking the whole deal.
Yes. Our country surrendered its sovereignty in 1913. It’s gotten more integrated since then. Hatred has ZERO to do with truth telling. I love my country and will not bow the knee to anyone. I belong to Christ, who conquered death. I fear only God
honest question: why are you using a model Olivia Jones as your profile picture? is that you?
Sorry! Be very careful, the devil is trying to devide the Father and the Son! For example, Those that worship the Father and those that worship the Father and the Som! Don’t fall for it! Wake Up!
What does that mean? Because Jews do not worship anyone but G-d.
Charlie was one of the best friends Israel ever had and was loved in Israel probably more than in the US. Shalom. PS. Trump is also more popular in the Jewish population of Israel than the US. Stats.
https://rumble.com/v6yxacy-charlie-kirk-a-friend-of-israel..html
https://rumble.com/v6z8nva-charlie-kirk-who-are-the-good-guys-and-who-are-the-bad-guys.html
A friend should be able to tell another friend they are out of line from time to time. That’s what friends do, they look out for each other.
And who exactly shut him up? Can you be specifics? Was it Netanyahu? Charlie was just invited to visit Israel personally by Netanyahu. Maybe it was donor who didn’t like something he said? Who exactly?
Are we dealing in generalities or slander of a nation who is fighting the Jihadi forces of the world ?
All I said is a friend should be able to tell a friend to course correct without a tantrum.
If Israel doesn’t want to get collateral blowback when things invariably go horribly wrong in American Politics they should stay out of the fray. No one can escape the mud in a hog pen, David.
Don’t trust this guy. Not sure why. Thoughts?
Did Charlie trust him? Does Erika trust him?
Yes and IDK. Andrew Kovet would not have held such a high position in TPUSA had Charlie not trusted him. That was discussed the night Tucker guest-hosted the Charlie Kirk Show along with Andrew Kovet and Blake Neff (Friday September 19, 2025). I don’t recall seeing Erika asked that question yet (understandably) in front of a camera / mic.
I found him articulate and pleasant but I could do without her. Nobody will ever be able to replace Charlie.
Many already are. He has become infinitely more powerful in death. But your concern is duly noted.
I do trust him. His thoughts and emotions have been clearly expressed on Charlie’s Show especially his love for the Lord.
Exactly. I have watched every show every day since. I 💯💯 trust his team.
The show must go on.
Where are Charlie’s parents and sister?
I have been asking this question since September 10th…the fact that Erika Kirk has not even mentioned them really bothers me, to be honest! Yes, I understand that she wants to build Charlie’s legacy and that she is very proud of the family and life that they were creating BUT Charlie had a family, and had a life, before he ever met her, and as a Mom, I feel they should have been acknowledged in some way, IMHO!
From what I’ve read on the subject the sister for sure is far left, on the record.
The parents generally don’t agree with Charlie’s political views, more circumstantial evidence only.
They want their privacy and don’t want to be publicly associated to Charlie.
Possible situation where the intolerant left members of the family are incapable of respecting diversity of thought, which is typical in a lot of families.
Disclaimer: Some facts mixed with educated speculation.
Thank you for the information. As a Mom of an adult son, I was really wondering what happened to them.
Thanks Mrs.Sunshine, makes sense, his family did not appear to be close at the Memorial. I was wondering where were Erika’s parents? Siblings?
I read, maybe here, when Erika got the call about Charlie she was visiting her mom in the hospital, then nothing else. One sister. I have read she was raised by a single mom, and have read there is a dad still married to mom, strong Catholic family. It is like both sets of parents have been taken off the radar and another story reads they are a tight intimate group.
I also keep reading the Kirks have two girls and not a boy and a girl, when it is clearly one of each, and I keep reading Erika spelled as Erica when I am pretty sure Erika is the way she spells it. She came from Swedish roots. Has a clothing line Proclaim Ministry, created some community charity, she likes pageantry.
I don’t know what is truth, or fiction, there does seem to be lots of narrative strictly being controlled and followed w/some marketing thrown in. All of these people are savvy, motivated, and know how to work it. They have lived their lives in the media and public life. Their brains never seem to stop.
Plus parents are older, not handling things well
Are you serious?
Do people have to blabber ad nauseum about their insatiable thirst for the next morsel of gossip?
This family just lost a son, a brother — to murder. It was internationally televised.
Can everyone leave the Kirk family members (who choose not to put their grief on display) the hell alone to grieve in privacy?
And why are you barking at everyone- like what gives you the right?
I believe this post qualifies as what is commonly known as idle gossip.
No mention of them at the memorial was odd. What you say makes sense.
I thought maybe they were close because the parents came to his event as he was starting his tour. But maybe they were in Utah for another reason and so stopped by the event? Or maybe they wanted to see more of the grandkids?
Parents are not on board with the psyop theater.
This is not surprising.
A lot of the reason why he is how he is -is because of having family like that.
I recall reading years ago that in many cases you’ll either be exactly like your parents, or the complete opposite of your parents.
Over the course of my life, I’ve seen this to be true.
Charlie seems to be the opposite of his parents.. according to what you are saying.
Is it a fact Charlie was semi-estranged from his family? Or as Ma said, idle gossip?
They may want to remain private due to the amount of hatred and psychopaths out there.
I read a tweet today showing how both of her parents allegedly work for the Federal Govt. One DHS. I can’t remember the other.
I looked the other day on YT to see the parents, it seems there were only three pictures of Charlie w/his family that were constantly regurgitated. Dad was an architect, mom some sort of finance/banker type that switched careers to mental health, and nothing about the sister. Very little has been said about them. I figured they were grieving and staying w/the grandkids and wanted out of the spotlight. Just guessing.
I agree w/you it was odd that the parents were not mentioned, seen in photos as part of his life, nothing at the service, I could have missed it but w/all the repeat clips from the event there has been nothing. No one talks about them.
grieving.
it may come as a surprise to some people, but it is quite normal to go into seclusion and grieve without any need for cameras or public statements.
I know all about grief having had a husband who took his own life. Don’t lecture me.
I’m so sorry. May the Lord bless and keep you.
So sorry Melody.
My son was killed by his best friend. At the time, I certainly wasn’t out and about baring my soul to total strangers.
My heart aches for Erika having little time to grieve privately. Charlie was a public figure, as was his wife to a lesser degree. She picked up the gauntlet– God bless her!
However, the rest of his family are off limits unless they choose otherwise.
Bless you Lorrie, for those kind remarks about Charlie’s family.
Especially in light of your own devastating loss. My condolences.
Not lecturing, informing.
One whole side of my family, on the mother’s side, will go to every wedding, birthday party, celebration, and will not be caught dead, excuse the pun, at a funeral unless forced to attend.
For the lookie-lou’s, here you go:
Thanks. Now we know they exist.
Your answer came across as very harsh.
People are very sensitive with every thing going on. I get it.
I have had to say final goodbyes to over 31 people in the past 4 years, tried to stop counting the loss at 29 but then two more and realized that was the the last of the entire one side of my family, my mother’s side, so had to keep counting, for their sake.
Those were the one’s who refused to go to funerals, and realized yeah, we do grieve in different ways, but I now understand why that side of the family chose to only go to celebrations while everyone is alive and refuse to attend their funerals.
At my mother’s funeral saw many of the neighbors who attended the graveside service, they were actually judging how we were dressed, I couldn’t find a black dress in time so wore a dark navy blue suit, but boy oh boy, the things people put their minds on at funerals ignoring the depth of grief, was quite the eye-opener.
I think people put their minds on things like how people are dressed at funerals to avoid the feelings- the pain, the grief is too raw and so they stuff it down and do avoidance by focusing on silly things.
Yes, it’s a coping mechanism.
Sorry had to laugh, yes, what you wear to a funeral is like what one would wear to a red carpet event. It is the first thing people notice. Weird, but true.
I am sorry for all your losses, I cannot imagine how overwhelming it would be.
So do I, as my son took his, at 30, a year younger than Charlie. Bessie wasn’t lecturing, just sharing. That is, in fact, exactly what I did, total seclusion except for immediate family.
I understand loss, but everyone’s is different. I’m so sorry for yours.
I am truly sorry you have had to experience such pain.
Exactly, they weren’t public before as far as I know, why would they let the cretins into their sphere now?
Exactly, and as a sister to someone who was murdered, I was more interested in finding the murderers and putting them behind bars. That was my mission. I did it too.
Erika also said she forgave the murderer. They may not feel the same way but don’t want to go on the record either way.
Bottom line, everyone grieves differently and at their own pace. Nothing is right or wrong. It is what it is.
I’ve lost a husband and a child. My child was not much older than Charlie and I don’t find it strange they have not been mentioned. It is a pain I hope NO one would experience. I don’t think it’s strange and probably was their wishes…
Yes, this! I have watched his show pretty much every day since I retired a year ago. Saw his assassination-it hit me hard! Barely left the house, cried more than I could explain. Wear my white with gold 47 turning point hat a lot. Ordered more merch
I don’t think the grief has even begun yet. Shock is still alive and well, the keep moving forward mindset is a way to process and keep grief at bay. Stay busy, busy, busy. About six months from now, grief is going come raining down. Numb, walking daze, weird dreams, too much food, too little food. I feel for them. Being young w/a strong network, they will help each other, but at some point shock goes away and grief takes over. Never fails. I noted in Erika’s speech she said she wasn’t going to give in to grief, I don’t think she understands, it will find her.
I wouldn’t want to be on camera either. It is amazing how composed all connected to Charlie have remained.
Besides grieving, they may also be under some level of threats by the same dark forces behind their son’s murder, and have chosen to remain out of the public eye for now.
Charlie’s sister is supposedly a flaming lib. I haven’t heard anything about the parent’s politics.
The lack of info might be just to keep them safer from the violent lefties, totally understandable.
Grieving
Recent rant by US govt employee Preston Jacobs captured by Jack Prosebeic:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/09/state-department-employee-celebrates-charlie-kirks-assassination-profane/
https://openpayrolls.com/preston-antonio-jacobs-103192187
Action pleas Secretary Rubio!
Charlie was in a position to massively altere the way the ‘medical industry and big pharma operate by throwing his important support behind MAHA. RFK Jr needs a great deal of protection. This corrupt industry doesn’t hesitate to murder those that challenge their profits.
“There are trillions at stake”
— Sundance
Anything happens similar to this, the alt media goes ludicrously batshit crazy about everything!
They’re being spoonfed a buffet of conspiracy fodder – it seems it’s intentional.
Has the burial taken place?
Yes, it was on Saturday. A private ceremony.
I wish i understood whats going on, Why is the question. After listening to a few well known Blog or Podcasters w Pics, Stats, all that goes w it, Mossad/CIA or Mossad or CIA. TPUSA is now denying things CK said prior, or his Partners said prior. Why , Israel. Major Jewish Donar 1 week before withdrew his Donation, another had him to his Home a few wks ago and made some sort of threat his Friend said, CK ws starting to fear for his Life, etc. Also a lot of talk about how he had it all and would have been headed for Presidency. Loot at what happened right off, Shapiro said by Fake News he ws taking over, didnt happen. The whole Memorial ws Fake, her speech and over the Casket very theatrical. Again why? To many Holes. Its so in our faces. Put this in a bigger picture.
Agree. Too many easily-answered questions remain unanswered or deliberately obscured two weeks after the act.
IMHO, this would not be true if the shooter had truly acted alone in all aspects of both planning and execution.
The only think I know for sure is we are getting fed cargo ship loads of bullsh*t from “official” sources and key evidence is being hidden, fabricated and implausibly explained.
The official narrative and lack of proper investigation starting at hour one is ringing all the gov’t conspiracy alarm bells.
Putting out Cox, who’s body language screams liar, as spokesman was a Texas sized red flag.
Theory: Robinson thinks he fired the fatal shot and thinks he’s guilty, but he really didn’t fire the fatal shot.
That actually was also one of my working theories early on. The officials have yet to give us any set of facts that convincingly conflict with or convincingly debunk that theory….
Any one notice that first time line put out by officials, the time he climbed to roof , his shoot, him jumping off roof to ground, was like less than feasible for setting up for a shoot, and the ” unF**k Tour” person asking his question instantly .
It didnt seem possible just sayin, hes 22, not a decorated sniper
Audio recordings show the bullet was fired less than 100 feet away at ground level.
Now the official narrative spin is there was no exit wound.
We are being fed nothing but lies by the FBI.
That is their specialty!
It’s been a FedGov niche for far too long.
So at EXACTLY the same time multiple people fired and there’s no other evidence of a bullet hitting something else. 🤦♂️ Can you see how the internet and social media has turned EVERYTHING into a conspiracy?
We all want answers to a lot of questions but half the people who are actually involved are still conducting an investigation and the other half are grieving. What we need is patience. It’s been almost 2 weeks since Charlie was assassinated, but it does take time to find out what happened. They aren’t going to give us all their evidence when they’ve probably got more people to catch and a trial in the future. As for the other half, Charlie was buried just a few days ago and they deserve some time to grieve but they keep getting pummeled into talking about it by people who don’t seem to understand they need a chance to catch their breath.
Besides every time someone from either side comes out to answer questions there’s a lot of people who just don’t believe them anyway. That would be disheartening. So why bother?
I think Tyler has been convinced he’s part of a con or ruse against the public. I think that’s how they get all these shooters to do their bidding: simply tell him he’s working with the cia, he can’t say anything to anyone, and he has to pretend he’s the shooter, but really he’s going to be the fake patsy and they’ll kill his body double off and he can go live in paradise. What impressionable desperate young man wouldn’t do that? They’re told they are special, working like a spy, and finally will get a life they never thought possible. Just like the 9/11 terrorists.
Erika’s speech was fake?
Concern noted!
Her speech was so cringe and so phony. She’s a weird one no doubt
His wife’s first appearance 2 days after was a little strange. The pics of her at the casket with his hands just seemed like it should have been a private moment. Then, all rhe ‘Israel did it’ podcasts from Owens, then the huge memorial and the countless commentaries online.
But I admit I didn’t follow Kirk very much at all so to his followers and fans this might be appropriate.
Owens, if you mean Candace, is a huge anti-semite.
As far as Erika goes, nothing is normal when it comes to grief, so let’s cut her some slack.
Why? It’s starting to look like she was Charlie’s handler. If she’s not gonna address his Israel concerns, that’s an open invitation to assume she’s in on it.
Waiting for the big reveal.
There’s too much fog of our existential war in the air to trust anyone or anything; too much money available to forge the future; and, who is to say who the controllers were or still are? Something seems inorganic to me.
I haven’t heard many speak about the sociopath, aka the “shooter’s” roommate. Sociopaths have a knack for controlling people, manipulating other to do their bidding. I think this is the beginning and end of this story and yet this person seems to have been forgotten… things that make me go hmmmm?
This is a very good point. The roommate was quick to cooperate with the police, wasn’t he? One has to wonder just how much time the roommate spent winding him up before Charlie arrived at UVU.
In a romantic relationship for approx 1yr PLUS the time taken to bamboozle the shooter into said relationship.
We are solely taking the roommates word for everything. The shooter hasn’t admitted to anything to cops. Lance showed some alleged texts – they could be manufactured by lance himself or someone else entirely. Lance knew about the engravings – why is he not in jail? Why won’t the sheriff take questions from the press about Lance?
This is all theater
It knew many things including the etching of the bullet engraving.
There is also speculation that the shooter’s uncle is heavily involved in Ukraine among other global security
I understand people being suspicious of FBI and government. However, you are listening to a best friend’s thoughts, and his expression of where Erika (Charlie’s wife), are on these issues. That carries a lot of weight with me.
They also have more inside information about actual evidence and the state of the investigation than all these other people with theories of this and theories of that.
He is of the belief they likely have the right guy, but also says he wants all avenues, questions, connections, etc investigated and says to still remain open to any surprises if they come up.
So what i hear is that they have confidence in the investigation as it is being played out… yet is open minded right now. What is wrong with that?
I see some good questions out there about evidence. They should be pursued. I also see some conspiracy theorists “blinded” by their own conspiracies.
IMO “blinded” is unfair. Unless a theory has been debunked by hard evidence of what actually happened, all theories remain possible, no matter how remote. But the investigators refuse to reveal the hard evidence, leaving us with nothing but opinions.
Investigators refuse to release evidence?
It’s only been 2 weeks. They are still investigating. I am sure details will eventually be released once their investigation is complete.
I can’t believe everyone just thinks they should release all the evidence. They’re probably looking into the possibility of other suspects but hey the internet wants all the evidence so they can then claim its all fake anyway.
When Erika Kirk speaks next week they’ll all claim she was lying too. They’ll say she was told by to say it by whoever the current boogeyman is for that week.
If Erika tells us about what was on Charlie’s mind regarding Israel, and tells us about the donations being pulled, the pressure from Jewish donors, whether she will continue pressing the issues Charlie was torn over, and a pledge for financial transparency with TPUSA (bc let’s face it, Erika is the PRIMARY beneficiary of Charlie’s death), then no, you won’t see anyone saying she’s lying.
If she dodged the Israel issues or downplays them, then we’ve got our number one suspect tin our sights.
just because Israel is your number one concern, does not make it the number one concern of anyone else, least of all Erika.
…and I wait ~ just like I am still waiting for more details to be released on the Butler event. Yes, I patiently wait.
I agree.
And based on what I’ve read, I’d have to question just how many of the gossipy and purely speculative comments posted here came from posters who actually bothered to watch the video.
I agree. Here and on other threads, I have noticed that a lot of people comment without watching the video Sundance has posted and even without reading Sundance’s post.
So true.
Sometimes reality is too “unexciting” to be appetizing to people addicted to sensationalism and scenarios.
Simple really.
I will read a transcript rather than listen to that Autotuned female voice.
Yeah, it gets on one’s nerves. If she’s married I bet her husband puts a sock in it! 🤐
She’s not married but she really wants to be. She loves the Lord, helped start the MAHA movement & is a solid conservative. Her voice may be annoying at times, but she is gem & I truly hope she finds a good man so she can have a family, as is her first desire. Charlie saw all of this in her when he gave her a shot as the first podcast, other than his own, from his company.
Well, I hope and pray she finds the perfect husband. Wasn’t criticizing her character or morals or professionalism, but that voice would drive me nuts. There was a time when people had to have a great voice to be an announcer or radio (podcast, etc.) host. I’m going to pass and let some other lucky guy have her. Plus, I’m old enough to be her dad. 🤣
Her vocal part of the episode is very minor she let him talk, didn’t have a problem personally, a lot better than the interruptions that would come from Ingram, or Hannity.
She’s awfully young, and it shows in her presentation, but at the same time the whole focus of Turning Point is to reach young people, so I think folks could cut her some slack.
Your point about her not talking over her guest is very spot on, and puts her light years ahead of most of her more mature and experienced counterparts, regardless of whether they be liberals or conservatives.
When things are not adding up, I find most often that it is because things seldom add up into neat little fuzzy packages.
<…things seldom add up into neat little fuzzy packages.>
Unfortunately…fuzzy opinions cannot be suede 🙂
I’m trying to work in seersucker.
<..Unfortunately…fuzzy opinions cannot be suede..>
hide the underside?
Neat little packages all tied with a bow are not possible when more than one person is involved. Our life experiences ensure that we focus on different things.
– monti
“As the detective handling the case, it was my job to understand each witness well enough to take the best they had to offer and come to a conclusion about what really happened. Every case I handle is like this; witnesses seldom agree on every detail. In fact, when two people agree completely on every detail of their account, I am inclined to believe that they have either contaminated each others observations or are working together to pull the wool over my eyes. I expect truthful, reliable eyewitnesses to disagree along the way.”
From the book Cold-Case Christianity
https://www.toughquestionsanswered.org/2013/06/21/how-can-two-witnesses-see-the-same-event-differently-part-2/
Stop with all the conspiracy theories! Wait for the full information to come out and then do your investigative journalism. Of course not everything adds up in the initial days after a crime such as this. We do have a clear as day enemy to fight, and many of you are missing the forest for the trees… you have third hand at best information and are acting like you know something others don’t. It’s sad really. You guys are turning yourselves into John Forbes Nash.
Problem is.. the full true information will never come out.
Butler, PA comes immediately to mind along with many others.
All I am saying is wait until you start making up conspiracy theories. I am not even saying there isn’t a conspiracy here. What I am saying is third hand info or worse in the immediate aftermath isn’t even remotely capable of leading anyone to a plausible alternate theory. There are so many goofs out there claiming he was wearing a plate or that he got shot from the side, the original theory was that Frank Turek was in on it! It’s ludicrous clickbait from people who have no information that isn’t public. We will get all the evidence that will be presented likely at trial. Then we can go through it and try and find where the holes are in it. In the meantime, focus on fighting the real enemy which is evil. Ephesians 6:10-18
Whether or not there’s a shred of truth in anything they say, I agree that they’re all jumping the gun like gnostic vultures. And yes, they’re focusing on the flesh when they should be more concerned about the cosmic, spiritual enemy (as you referenced with Ephesians), not “hidden knowledge”.
Thank you.
Well said.
The reason we’re here, in general, is to discuss theories, conspiracy, criminal etc. If we waited for law enforcement, we’d never make any progress and we’d know nothing. I say sleuth away!
I said it at the time and I’ll say it again, he was a modern day John the Baptist.
I even wondered if he was one of the 2 witnesses spoken of in Revelation but seeing the positive outpouring made me think otherwise. How he was reviled by evil hearted people is foreshadowing of how the 2 witnesses will be treated.
You are on the right track, brother.
God declared Charlie Kirk is another John The Baptist! | Donna Rigney – YouTube
Who is that woman and who anointed her to tell us what God is going to do? We are warned in the Bible about people like this.
He seems to be getting more and more deified as the days go by.
John the baptist called people to repentence and went scorched earth on both the religious rulers and the political ruler.
That doesnt sound like Kirk at all.
…or Stephen.
I immensely dislike the use of the term “Conspiracy Theories” in the title of this post. IMMENSELY DISLIKE! Kirk was supposedly shot with a high-powered hunting rifle from directly in front of him, NO EXIT WOUND, NO BLOOD OR BULLET FRAGMENTS BEHIND HIS BODY? This is virtually impossible, yet we are being asked to believe it. The “miracle” theory of Charlie having super dense bones? C’mon man, we’ve been fed these OUTRIGHT LIES FOR DECADES NOW! There is way more to Charlie’s death than we are being told, WAY MORE! The FBI has been conclusively proven by Sundance himself as nothing more than a Stasi-like force designed to protect the politically powerful. NOTHING HAS CHANGED THERE! Never forget that, nothing The FBI says can be trusted, Kash Patel had to go out and publicly address with an X post the OBVIOUS LIES being promoted by the Feds about this assassination. I am also very leery of the obsequious nature of many of the Turning Point “spokespeople” that have been shoveling obvious lies out about this heinous crime. A drastic political action was taken with the murder of Kirk, the precept that it was NOT part of a larger conspiracy is becoming less likely with every lie being told to cover it up. This entire “investigation” reeks of a targeted assassination complete with a “patsy” to take the fall. The MAGIC BULLET just will not fly with Americans a second time. Someone is running The Kennedy Assassination playbook all over again. Until that is explained I choose to believe NOTHING that I am being told. Charlie deserves the truth, we MUST get that for him. No more lies, not on this one.
I saw the video of the shot hitting Charlie. His neck exploded out, to the side and blood was like a geyser. It was horrendous and I wish I had never seen it.
Nothing about the “official” story we are being fed matches the visual evidence in any way.
I don’t trust this guy and haven’t from the get go.
There is so much to this whole thing that doesn’t make sense. I’m sure more info will come to light. But right now we still don’t know what we don’t know. One thing that I do know without any doubt in my mind is that this magic bullet theory is 100% BS. I am in no way trying to disparage Charlie in any way, but there is no way a human neck can stop a 30.06 rifle round. I hunt elk with a bolt action 30.06 rifle. I have never seen an elk stop a 30.06 round. Every elk that I have shot the bullet traveled all the way through. This part of the story is 100% fiction and I cannot trust anyone who is sticking to this story.
Agree
Is it possible that the round was as old as the weapon and had lost some of its velocity ?
It can’t be ruled out. I said this yesterday. You’re the first person I’ve seen post this thought, other than me. Yes, a fresh .30-06 round is not going to be stopped by a human vertebra. But strange circumstances happen in life. I’ve seen very old bullets stored with very old guns, and experienced the misfires and squibs that can happen as the powder ages out.
Sure there could be a conspiracy, but it could conceivably be an old, poorly stored round, as well.
We need to be patient and consider all possibilities.
This is absolute nonsense. You haven’t shot many elk then. I have shot elk, deer, bear, pigs with everything from a 270 to a 300 win mag and can count many times the round never exited. It can happen. Bullets often do strange things in the bone and tissue structures. To say that it is not possible is just objectively wrong.
A human neck is not an elk , bear, deer or pig, my man.. The FBI could put this to bed if they wanted to with an actual ballistics report.
Instead they filter out this hogwash like Christians are rubes who will believe anything through Charlie’s “buddy” as third hand knowledge.
Absolute Truth Sir! Charlie’s neck would barely slow that round down. I’ve said it for days every hunter or bored Country kid knows exactly what an Ought Six can do.
My dad was a 7mm Magnum man.
Well, my friend we shall have to agree to disagree but for the conspiracy theories to be true at this point, everyone including his wife and best friends and all the cabinet and government as well as the Israeli’s and the antifa people, and the tranny/furry club all have to be in on it. So which fairly tale do you believe?
How about all of them? throw in the Azov nazis and we got a party!
I think there would be less questions if many of the conservative “influencers” stop with the social media push polls. Manipulative af.
I watched the whole interview and was looking forward to seeing the discussion in the comment section. What a let down. Just a bunch of cranky rants. Sad.
I agree. I found the interview very interesting and human.
I agree, and in my view, too much of what’s been posted here so far is really off topic and borders on outright disrespect.
Right there with ya.
Kirk assassination suspect appears by video from jail
https://www.livenowfox.com/video/1708681
I guess Tyler’s new theme song could be The Thrill Is Gone.
It’s interesting they had him in a bullet proof vest. Maybe it’s because they needed to move him through unsecured areas to reach the video appearance room.
Hard stuff to watch. Such a wasteful and tragic loss all the way around.
Thank you for the post.
That isn’t a bullet proof vest; it’s one of those suicide suits.
Unless it’s a suicide suit with a bullet proof vest built in.
It looks like the same suicide suit he was wearing the day he made his video court appearance.
Inmates that may be in danger of harming themselves are not allowed to wear regular prison uniforms.
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Thanks, Fuzzy. That make sense.
The boy will probably never walk another step as a free individual.
I feel for his family.
Sorry but I have seen first hand what a 30.06 does to mammal flesh and Charlies wound isn’t what a 306 does. I suggest you go on YouTube and watch some penetration examples done long before this day.
It isn’t Rocket Science but I don’t buy it was a miracle.
To counter that, where was the impact point? Lower? Upper? Posterior? Anterior?
What was the trajectory of the bullet? How many grains was the bullet? What type of bullet was it?
So many variables. I just listed a few. Watching YouTube videos is not going to answer your question
You can find a sea of different examples.
It will certainly show you the penetrating power of many many variables.
The excess of penetrating power compared to Charlies body is self evident.
Anyone can see that the round ricocheted and fragged off of CK’s titanium breast plate in an upward direction (majority fragments which tore an entry hole) where the pieces were confined to the cranium. A fragment of the round was caught on camera behind CK’s head. Please stop with the needless conspiracy theories.
Are you sure he had a plate on ?
He wasn’t wearing a plate you neophyte. You can see his nipples when he is walking up before sitting in the seat. Stop believing idiots on the internet.
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Charlie was NOT wearing a vest according to Candace Owens on her show today. She asked TP USA and they said no vest. NONE!
Actually the key witness is Erika.
She declared at the service that there was no vest.
Chances are she was with Charlie when he dressed for the day.
Candace is correct in this instance but probably simply knows because Erika said so.
But someone upthread already called Erika a fake. That disgusted me.
It’s clearly true – RolCons thick on the ground here these days.
Or just thick, period.
42:34 Andrew’s remedy for healing a sick culture.
Yes. It is simple. And very, very deep. He said it well.
Very moving. And yes, he’s so right.
I think he presented it in a very candid and powerful way.
Alex also makes a good point afterward at 46:48 about dealing with “some of the misconceptions” being promoted online and getting things clear about Charlie’s motives and mindset before he died.
Well done.
Yes.
Where exactly on Charlie’s neck was he hit ?
Was it in the same direction of where the shooter was located ?
There are many questions ballistics wise that come up when you listen to the video for anyone who regularly shoots.
I still want to know why an unemployed individual can afford to live in an $1800 a month home and afford and upkeep a car and afford to travel 4hrs away without outside help.
Or the fact that neighbors claiming out of state visitors visiting.
No projectile traveling 2 to 3 thousand feet per second will be stopped by bone in any human especially under 200 yards away.
The trajectory of the bullet matches the hit he took to the neck. The velocity of the bullet made his shirt ruffle from right to left… then the side of his neck was taken out. The bullet hit to his left.
Question- could all these ‘just revealed videos’ being put out in the last few days be deep state deep fakes to make us all look like crazies? Remember QAnon.
Yes, i think that’s a good possibility. i watched the one with a bearded guy who ‘proved’ that Charlie was wearing a bullet vest. His video showed sort of an outline of the vest plate that convinced me. The conclusion was the bullet hit the edge of the vest plate, then ricocheted up to hit his neck (where we saw the dime-sized wound).
Then, today, I watched one claiming that he was shot from behind. This one even showed a picture of a blurry bush on a rooftop that the shooter was supposedly hiding behind. This video showed something small, dark (blood?) coming from the back of Charlie’s head.
Both videos seemed convincing, but came to opposite conclusions. I heard they try to sow conspiracies to send people on wild goose chases.
Hello Sundance and Happy St. Padre Pio Feast Day today.
With you God given natural talents and trained skills, yu have successfully uncovered the Washington DC deep state, which has been an incredible body of work for us American Patriots to see and understand just how the Uniparty has betrayed the American People. My father was a member of the John Birch Society (JBS) and early on in the late ’40s, ’50s and into the 60’s the JBS exposed just the marxist communist had plans to take over our American Culture. Of course once the Congressional House on Unamerican Activities was disbanded in the late ’60s by the Uniparty, It was then the communist infiltration into so many of our American Institutions went full bore. In a sense, the MAGA owes a great deal of their success to the JBS for being the first to be the Paul Reveres sounding the alarm of the marxist plans to overtake America.
On a related topic of Charlie Kirk’s assassination, I have provided a link for you to review. You may have already seen it. It appears to contradict what the FBI’s narrative of how the Charlie was killed by Tyler Robinson. As professional mortician of 38 years, I can attest to the fact that what you will see is in fact how a bullet enters and exist in the head/throat area.
Someday I hope you apply your God given talents to uncovering the sodomite rot that is prevalent in the deep state of the Vatican Holy Curia. The Mystical Body of Christ, our Lord’s Holy Mother Church here on earth. Yes, the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church, since the revolution event of Vatican II by heretical Modernist, has been overtaken and being held hostage by Satan’s stewards, real wolves in Bishops and Cardinals vestments, and recently with Bergorlia and now Robert Prevorst as heretical Popes of the New Synodal Church. Someday I believe you will be incredulous when you see how the Bride of Christ has been betrayed by her very own Princes and Popes. Hence, the fact that the Third Secret of Fatima has never been revealed.
I’m aware that you do monitor my post and so this is really not intended for the treepers to read, but for your eyes only.
Kindly,
JCALAS
I watched video – thanks for sharing. Has garnered many a view so far and makes sense… As Sundance has taught us all, the truth has no agenda! God bless CK and may we honor his life by uncovering the truth of his he was assassinated.
I guess I didn’t realize how much of a media celebrity he was (Charlie Kirk). But yet God apparently needed him in heaven for an immediate engagement.
The headline says he debunks the conspiracy theories. Reading the comments, apparently not so much.
Astute observation.
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Busy news day. 8 articles by Sundance already. Maybe we truly are at a turning point.
Conspiracy theories aside, the momentum of the awakening is what we really need to focus on.
I listened to the whole thing. To me, it sounded very authentic, real, and honest.
I see a few naysayers on here. I didn’t get any bad or evil vibes from listening.
But, it doesn’t really matter what any of us thinks.
What God thinks about it, is all that matters.
100%
I appreciate and have upvoted your comment, but I will respectfully disagree with the idea that is doesn’t matter what we think, because it does matter.
Scripture is clear in may places about that, such as the statement that as a man thinketh in his heart, so is he. We are told to guard our hearts, and to seek that which is good, true and uplifting. We are admonished to refrain from gossip and idle talk, and to my mind that’s the substance of the naysayers’ message.
Sickness of thought is what led to Charlie’s murder. It’s what’s fueling the violence and ignorance being promulgated by the left and others here and around the world.
I’m thankful for your post and for the thoughtful way you’ve shared your impression of the video. I agree wholeheartedly, especially with the idea of God’s will being what really matters.
Blessings and good wishes.
I found a video on the net and took a number of single images from it.
I have no idea if this video is fabricated or real. He claims it as an alternative – which it may well be – but I saw something different!
Watch from 8:56 in…
Watch the guy on Charlie Kirk’s right, (Security?) he has a black bag slung over his his right shoulder and his right hand seems to be under his left armpit.
Link to video:-
https://x.com/salomondrin/status/1966255182662218099
The snaps in the below GAB post are taken in sequence from that video.
To me he seems to be holding an object in his Right Hand and it’s under his Left arm pit.
To me it seems that he swings down his right arm + object, after Charlie Kirk (RIP) was shot.
Am I seeing things – I hoping someone out there has better eyes and equipment than me.
I’ve added the Red arrows pointing to the object in the (Security?) guy’s Right Hand.
https://gab.com/wlbeattie/posts/115201214928878755
I wonder if the angle the bullet traveled between the tall building to ground level was a factor in the bullet getting lodged in bone?
Anyone familiar with deer hunting knew this guy was completely full of it as soon as he claimed that Charlie’s “man of steel” body stopped a .30-06 cartridge.
Good interview.
I greatly admire Charlie Kirk, and TPUSA. By extension, I will grant that admiration to Andrew Kolvet, although I’m not as familiar with his work.
That being said, he has no business debunking any theories concerning Charlie’s assassination, conspiracy or otherwise. Unless he has seen autopsy or ballistics reports, he needs to stay in his lane.
Sorry Sundance, this doesn’t actually debunk anything… I’ve spotted two solid projectiles, possible third, add to that the person in custody, that’s potentially (4) persons firing in perfect unison. Mix in the Zinn fellow who’s mere appearance raises the chances the entire narrative isn’t B.S. to near zero. Oh, let us not forget this happened in simultaneously w/a school shooting that all the leftist immediately had their talking points ready regarding something most hadn’t even heard more than a mere mention. The best way to honor Charlie’s Memory is to turn the digital sphere on it’s head and shake it till the truth comes out. Admittedly, what’s needed is TPUSA’s high definition digital media. In the future, if you or anyone in this sphere ever get’s attacked/killed/harmed, please make sure your family uploads a copy of the digital evidence ‘somewhere’ so we can counter the lame narrative being crafted for us.
Sorry, that’s my 2 cents, they don’t have ‘the shooter’, they have the patsy.
The probability of 4 firearms (or even 2 or 3) firing in perfect unison is highly improbable to the nth degree. Recorded Audio debunks that theory immediately. Nothing is impossible and never say never but the probability of what you propose is so unlikely as to be nearly impossible to occur.
Not to mention that capturing a photo of a bullet speeding through space instead of a streak is ridiculous unless the camera has an extremely high fps and aperture setting.
The only other way would be for the expended round to be traveling directly at or very close to directly at the camera lens.
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Anybody notice how he pivoted on the camera being taken down to MAHA? I am all for an investigation, but gees, really?
Where’s all this fancy-smancy, hi-tech AI that can simulate an exact 3D video of every possible/contrived shot that matches all these theories of where the shot came from, the typical ballistics and end results of what different calibers would produce, especially the ones that seem to be absurd, and even some that haven’t come out yet.
Yep.
I have not watched it yet but I have read this whole thread.
My question is what do we know about this man’s background?
In my opinion, he has not earned my trust simply because he was Charlie’s best friend, I’m assuming the man also got a paycheck from Charlie’s business – right?
I’m not leaning in any direction, I haven’t seen it, but the first thing I do is some background research before I even bother reading or watching.
We’re going to be seeing a whole lot of this so get ready.. Everyone that ever had even the slightest connection to Charlie is going to want to get the clicks, the views and the money.
It’s sad but here we are, it’s always the same ‘ol thing.
All I can tell you is when I first saw this guys face my gut mind axis said “not today”.. granted I’d already heard his rendition of the situation so I was already biased.
Kirk’s killer
https://rense.com/general98/video-loop.php
https://rense.com/
I’ve read that the university paved over the surface where ‘the’ bullet my have lodged. What info is there about this, and if it is true, why would the university have done so, and why would the FBI not have secured the murder site to pervent such crime scene interference?
This guy addressed the paving among many other issues.
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There are hunters who say no exit wound is impossible….and there are hunters who say it is rare but they have seen it in their own experience (elk and deer).
Here’s the deal for me. I like some others here were around for JFK and the Warren Commission. I remember the Zapruder film coming out in ’75 and Lifton’s book in 1980. Those things were 12 to 17 years post assassination, and the questions have never stopped. I’m not waiting 17 to 20 years. We saw what happened with the blatant lying and hiding of stuff with JFK which we still don’t have all the answers to and same with 9/11. Charlie has been eulogized and buried. I support the vigorous question asking which now is occurring in real time. No waiting 20 years. We are looking at video and information now in the instant. Let the questions be asked and let them be answered but asking and testing authority needs to be done. I am not the type to simply accept what I know is a lying government to give me information. This is why we asked during Russia Gate, JFK, 9/11, Las Vegas etc. For me there’s no shame in asking and testing authority. Do it and let things fall where they may.
This guy has been proven to be lying about Candace Owen’s (who is also not trust worthy as she is controlled opposition in all likelihood). But she had the receipt proving this guy wrong.
Another interesting aside is this potential shooter:
https://x.com/ValVenisEnt/status/1967389684612637180
It seems possible, but idk how plausible it is. The guy does appear to recoil precisely as the shot goes off. The timing appears to be a sequence of preparations by the alleged shooter where he gets his left arm secure to better aim with his right hand. But the right hand appears to have something black and barrel shaped between his fingers, the shirt adjustment at the same time is incredible to say the least. Also, this guy runs up to help Charlie, which means he’s part of the security team.
He needs to come out and explain his actions that day bc whatever he’s doing is not natural.
Lastly, the girl in red next to him is on her phone and clearly hears him make a sound that makes her glare at him like “what did you just do?” The timing is perfectly aligned with a shot going off, but she looks at the guy next to her, not the shot allegedly going off at the same time behind her.
Regardless, Charlie wouldn’t have a head if he was shot with a 30 odd 6 so this little gun better explains the one wound we see – which is an entrance hole in his trachea that must have continued off to the side of his neck? It’s all just VERY bizarre.
Candace is a nut. She wants to start a damned war.
He thinks Charlie’s bones are made if steel. Lol. Who believes this clown?
For all the theories out there here are two inescapable and undeniable facts:
How many fathers are going to turn their son over to the law if there is any doubt that the child is innocent. Put yourself in the father’s shoes for a moment and imagine what you’d do. (I’d likely make the mistake of becoming an accessory and trying to help the child escape if it were mine.)
How many suspects would willingly allow their parent to turn them over to the law if they were innocent.
Too much mush in the theories stating that can never happen or that always happens, too many logical fallacies spouted without due consideration.
Too much emphasis on ballistics….if you’ve hunted long enough you have seen strange seemingly un-explainable things happen. Game that shouldn’t have expired from their wounds and others that didn’t expire for a long time when hit perfectly. How many hunters have lost game that they just knew they hit properly for example?
Addressing the “what about this or what about that” of coming up with all these theories to explain an event.
Did you know the one failing of the scientific method is that you never run out of theories or hypothesis to explain something? Most hypothesis can be eliminated but not all and not all the time if you’re really good at framing questions.
Just because one can dream up an alternate theory to explain an event doesn’t make the theory correct or incorrect. Some theories are much more probable than others.
For now I go back to the two main facts that a father believed the son guilty and turned him in to the law.
I really believe the patsie thinks he killed Charlie. Just like the one that shot Trump at Butler. Im sure he believes he was the only shooter before he died.
I don’t buy either one after watching so many trained people saying so many things that make more sense. I’m not saying its an Israel plot or whatever, but something else happened. Too many angles and observations say it did and too many obvious after facts look ridiculous.
I don’t want it to be that way, but to me it seems it very well could be.
The father may have turned him in to avoid the kid being collected during a swat raid (which often turn dangerous).
If the father thought the kid was innocent he still would have taken him to the authorities with an attorney in tow because the kid was a known suspect.
Not following the rest of the pretzel logic you presented, but, hey.
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I’m certain you will circle back to construe as in “…because he was a known suspect …the father would have turned him in even though innocent.
(he wasn’t at the time but don’t let that slow you down)
You recognize the circular logic you just baked into a pretzel ?
I’m certain you will circle back to construe as in “…because he was a known suspect …the father would have turned him in even though innocent.
(he wasn’t at the time but don’t let that slow you down)
You recognize the circular logic you just baked into a pretzel ?
Are you saying the father didn’t know the kid was a suspect?
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