President Trump notes the financial motives behind Elon Musk’s opposition to the Big Beautiful Bill.
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Musk has previously said his opposition to the bill stems from the fiscal spending and aggregate, unsustainable national debt issue. However, as President Trump and NEC Director Kevin Hassett have noted, the debt issue is a combination of spending and growth. The economic goals of the administration are to grow the economy at a GDP rate larger than 3%, while simultaneously using the Office of Management and Budget to curtail spending allotments from congress.
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President Trump tells it like it is. Another reason why I love him!
MAGA 👊👊🇺🇸🇺🇸🙏🏻🙏🏻❤️❤️
Amen. I voted to Trump, not Elon. He needs to stop whining!
I’m voting Elon next. Trump has embraced Zionism and war and spending on military to kill kids
Elon Musk, like “President” Obama and Kamala Harris, is NOT a natural-born citizen.
This president knows what he’s doing Elon, soooooo bye bye!
Elon, you don’t get it. I don’t care about you or your ventures, I care about my family, my God, and my country. You’re not part of that equation.
I served my nation proudly, and my son is heading to OCS this fall, inspired by Pete (who, by the way, calls me his hero). Yet, our country seems to serve only a handful of politicians, their cronies, illegal immigrants, and foreign interests, not everyday American citizens like us.
So, Musk, I’m full-on MAGA, and I’m done with you. Thanks for what you’ve done, but you’ve become a useless tool. Go pound sand.
There are many people, Horse, who, once the centre of the universe is discovered, are going to be shocked to find that they are not in the middle of it.
Elon is one.
His talents are incredible. Truly they are.
But he has chosen to be a disturbance and a disruptor. He already let his temper and mouth get the better of him and made a half hearted apology for it. What was whole (his relationship with President Trump who honoured him) was destroyed by his quick temper and sense of entitlement. And so now he threatens the force of MAGA and by extension the decent people who along with President Trump welcomed him with cheers and exuberance to the fight of our lives.
He will find he simply does not have that power.
We are disappointed with his choices, but we have moved on, leaving him to his own unfortunate, misguided sense of his importance to us.
In the centre of the universe he is not.
(Hearty congratulations to your son, my friend. Such an achievement and a sterling reflection on the parents who reared him 👍🏻 🇺🇸 No greater accolade for a father than to be called a hero by the son he has loved and guided.)
Betsy,
Wholeheartedly agree about Elon. And AOC, if DOJ has any legs, might be about to learn the same thing. (Not holding my breath, but fingers crossed.)
My son wanted to enlist after graduating college in May. I told him, “Son, I didn’t enlist and do the hard time so my boys would have to walk the same path. Be a better man.” So, he chose Naval OCS. I’m a very proud dad.
The letter he had to write for his application had me in tears. I don’t see myself in the light he painted me in. I know my past, what I had to do growing up on the streets, Section 8 housing, a mom battling addiction. I wasn’t a good kid before 18. But he said he wants to be like me, and hopes one day he can be. I told him he’s already there, and maybe even a better man.
And the best part? It’s not just because of Pete, but it’s because of Pete. Another young man we know is joining the Marines as an officer. Because of Pete. A third kid I coached is enlisting in the Army, no college, just wants to serve. Because of Pete. I told my wife, “It’s pretty damn amazing how young men respond when they know their leaders are strong.”
Thanks for your kind words. I always appreciate your commentary here. I know I can be a bit pointed. On X, I’m a major butthole because, well, X is full of really stupid people.
I wish I could up vote this a million times.
Your story brought tears to my eyes. Your son will make a fine Marine.
Well, now I’m on my third tissue, dear friend….
What a gift your lad gave to you with his words of devotion and admiration, probably the most treasured one you will ever receive. My oldest granddaughter soon on her way to college and a talented artist wrote an essay about my husband (her step grandfather by definition but no “step” to her who mentored her talent as he is quite the artist himself) and how grateful she was that he is in her life (he wept buckets). She is the granddaughter he never thought he would have as his two bright lads both had muscular dystrophy and are now the care of a loving God.
So what you have written has extra meaning for me. We take our life experiences, survive them, learn from them, and it is to be hoped guide our own in the right direction. I know how proud you are…
I know we were all shocked at Pete’s being his choice, and more than a little quizzical. But Pete has been where the record number of enlistments since the election will be. I agree with you. These young men will have the leader they deserve. Not enough credit is given to Secretary Hegseth influence, and that needs to be rectified. President Trump chose the right man for the job.
And so as the mother of a son for whom the Navy was the making of, the saving of through the mercy of Almighty God, I wish your fine son the absolute best in his chosen branch. Proud of him now? Just you wait 💕 Bet
Betsy, that letter was the greatest gift I could have ever received from him.
Made more precious by the fact that you never saw it coming…
And here I remember in part Robert Burns.
“O what a gift He gives us
To see ourselves as others see us.”
Yes. That as well…..🙏🏻💕
What an uplifting inspiring beautiful testimony. Thank you for your service/your continuing service for America and her nation’s young; your family’s sacrifices. God bless you and your family ever so abundantly this day and every day.
Thank you for sharing;-)
Men like you and Secretary Hegseth are showing young men how to become men. We all have skeletons in our past, but by the grace of God, we overcome. We need our young men to be strong and loyal, good fathers and good citizens. My brother became an Army officer thru NCO School and then OCS many decades ago and you will probably never meet a finer man. God bless you and keep you and your sons.
Elon needs to lay off the crack pipe..
Roll up another blunt and CHILL OUT!
Anyone listening to President Trump knows his second motto is “Merit first”.
If your product is good and your marketing sharp, and you are able to maintain value there is no problem in gaining a market. You just need a sharp pencil (or AI) to steer straight ahead.
Subsidies underwrite the speculative, undercapitalized and (at times) scam projects with no intention of becoming successful.
EVs? Just not ready for prime time in cold temps, tropical temps, electricity deprived settings.
“EVs? Just not ready for prime time in cold temps, tropical temps, electricity deprived settings.”
So, not viable just about everywhere in the US.
I might, when my 24 year old truck finally gives up the ghost, someday look at a hybrid, but a straight EV couldn’t get the ranges I need, particularly in the Midwestern fry/freeze zone I live in.
The electricity an EV uses is mostly made from fossil fuels, so I don’t think they “save the planet”, especially when you factor in the mining involved to make the lithium batteries as well as the battery disposal problem they create.
Such as Marx Carnage’s proposal for the Canucks to drive nothing but EVs by 2035.
Sundance you call this long ago. Still it is a shame they made a good team. I guess the honeymoon is over.
Agree. I saw so much enthusiasm from Elon, but he latched on too hard and wore out his welcome. Then he pitched a tantrum because he has no emotional control. It’s really sad, but you gotta hand it to Sundance because he nailed it.
They never were a team. Elon saw President Trump campaigning on dumping mandates and subsidies for EV and joined up to control outcome. He thought he was playing President Trump and got played. Remember, Musk did not deliver on his grand claims of finding a trillion dollars of waste and fraud. He very well could have known ahead of time, with his data capabilities, that there was actually a trillion to be “found”. Ya think he is still holding onto the rest of the “discoveries”, held them back when he realized PDJT really could not be bought? Maybe he pouted to PDJT that he was going to stop working for DOGE if no bennies for him and his investors and that was when PDJT blasted that Elon did not follow through and find as much as he promised??
Musk is an “ideas” guy, his business acumen is quite low.
I would rather have Elon on our side, then funding the opposition
Elon was never “on our side.” To pretend otherwise is silliness.
Oh, for a second, I thought you hunted RINOs.
A Boston horse would say!
You made me whinny, just a tad. lol.
I would to, but he chose to use & abuse President Trump & MAGA. Persevere patriots. We’ve been through this drill with sooooo many before and who’s still standing?
I’m with you, RINO Hunter. I don’t understand this play by Trump.
Yes, I love Trump Trump for not bending us all over an EV car mandate. That’s why we love him.
But why isn’t Trump throwing enough subsidies Elon’s way to keep from alienating him? Elon does a better job innovating than our government does.
Trump is throwing billions in every other direction, including to Zelenskyy. How much waste is Trump tossing in the air to pass the BBB for its long term benefit.
Elon is saving us TRILLIONS. I don’t get this at all. Elon will be a very formidable enemy. This is crazy.
You can honestly believe what you wrote
I don’t see how anyone can view this spat as a good thing.
Think it through. Elon is brilliant and is the richest man in the world. Yes. It’s not his money. But he accomplished more innovation with spaceX and Tesla than NASA did with a gazillion billions over the last half-century.
I don’t care about Elon. But I do care about our country. If he starts a third party that is anti-maga it’s foolish to think that’s no biggie just cause Trump will just wave a magic wand or something.
Ha ha ha. Snort.
You know who has more money than Musk? The US Treasury. PDJT is taking the reins of the US government and the money it takes in and the money it spends.
Trump plus God is enough.
God is enough. What will be will be.
Quoting you “I don’t care about Elon” “Yes. It’s not his money” … “But I do care about our country”…. “If he starts a third party that is anti-maga it’s foolish to think that’s no biggie” …
What then does Elon’s achievement got to do with what he IS doing to PDJT and MAGA? Is his current sentiment and aspiration a biggie now or not or is it Elon is never MAGA except what suits him?
I was making the point Trump is giving billions to Zelenskyy and every politician I. Town to achieve his long term goals. It seems to me the same logic could be applied to Elon. Elon could do something actually productive with the money and be an ally instead of an adversary.
Money the U.S. has provided to Ukraine under Biden and previous administrations (supposedly) is not delivered directly to the Ukrainian government but handled by “trusted agencies” – the U.S. Military, the World Bank and the Department of State/USAID; rather than being directly handed over to Ukraine. What was DOGE’s findings?
This method is to ensure the aid is tracked and used for intended purposes – that of military support, humanitarian aid and economic assistance. Where did all that money go entrusted to the U.S. Military, the Department of State/USAID, and the World Bank?
Is it PDJT who gave away billions to Zelensky and all of the same blood-sucking parasitic devious politicians?
Elon is stupid. Not a genius. Nope. Dumb. Stupid. Dense. One cannot be a genius without common sense. Without common sense one is merely an intellectual fact-processing analyst.
case in point: Elon thinks he had Trump supporters programmed via marketing to see him as superior to President Trump, as PDJT’s string-puller. Haaaaahaaaaahaaaaa. Elon fail at a Very Big Con.
How is Elon “saving us TRILLIONS.”??
Why do people think it’s Trump throwing billions around? The extra money in the bill isn’t what he’s asking for, it’s the add-ons. The narcissists in Congress (looking at you, Elon fan club) tack on their pet projects so their votes can be bought.
I’m genuinely curious about your take.
Should he veto the bill? Should he toss his agenda aside because we’ve elected people who need to be bribed to support a MAGA platform? I don’t like the add-ons. I don’t like an unelected “Senate Parliamentarian” slipping things in, Thune, that’s on you. I don’t like the bloat. But this is politics. And yeah, it’s BS. Still, we need the core agenda items passed.
As for Elon, he’s a tool. Use him when he’s useful, and put him back in the box when he’s not. If his companies are as brilliant and self-sustaining as he claims, he shouldn’t need taxpayer support.
The real question we should be asking is this:
Why is it that under Biden, bills that benefited foreign interests, illegal immigrants, congressional slush funds, and their cronies flew through Congress? But now, when there’s a bill that actually benefits the American people, it gets loaded with garbage, votes have to be bought, and the process gets slow-walked?
That’s the question.
Good discernment. Much appreciated.
I don’t disagree with anything you have said.
You said, “ Should he toss his agenda aside because we’ve elected people who need to be bribed to support a MAGA platform?”
Shouldn’t the same logic apply to Elon?
If this spat isn’t theater, Elon has the brains and the money to be a huge thorn in maga’s side. Just X alone. Add all the personal info DOGE gained on all of us. Add that a third party that is anti maga is a big threat not to be Pooh-poohed. 3rd party candidates don’t need to win to be spoilers.
I don’t understand why Trump didn’t throw subsidies for useful projects, like going to Mars or something to better occupy Elon’s time.
Your points are fair. That said, Elon burned his bridges with the left. Now he’s burning them with MAGA, and MAGA is the bigger movement.
The only real counter to “why not Elon” is that, in my view, it doesn’t align with Trump’s goals or agenda. The fluff in the bill? That’s not Trump’s doing. It’s the result of Reps and Senators, RINOs and Democrats, saying, “I’ll only vote for this if my pet project gets added.”
Elon lost the Dems with DOGE and other antics; they’re not bringing him back into the fold. The RINOs are aligned with the Dems anyway. And the few actual MAGA members in Congress? They’re not the ones adding this stuff in.
Subsidies are rarely good policy; they prop up what should fail. But if Elon played it smart, he could land better contracts through NASA, which is already funded by taxpayers. The DoD does this all the time with contractors (and yes, yes, I know—“competitive bidding”… I’ve got oceanfront property in Nebraska to sell you too).
I’m not disagreeing with the potential benefits. I just don’t think it’s our job to fund it through subsidies, especially not with all the bought-and-paid-for additions shoved into the BBB.
We’re in this mess because, for over 60 years, elected officials have been bought and sold while the media ran cover. That’s changing, because we’ve got more than three networks now, and the internet exists.
Yes to Paul’s argument here.
And also because the internet still exists, I know this is inaccurate:
Add all the personal info DOGE gained on all of us.
This was nothing but a lefty media talking point. DOGE deals with meta data, not specific individual’s data.
Perhaps you may be thinking of the NSA… ☺️
Okay, maybe “subsidies” is the wrong method. Let’s go with contracts from NASA.
I’m good with however Trump chooses to keep Elon happily occupied instead of becoming a formidable maga spoiler.
As for Elon burning bridges, I disagree with you there. People turn on a dime when interests align. Regardless where Elon aligns in order to support Elon, it would be best if he aligned with MAGA rather than against it.
People without morals or values will turn on a dime when their interests align. But righteous men, men of honor and courage, we stand firm in our values and mores.
I’ve told the President of the company I work for many times, often in the same meetings where I’ve watched my peers, fellow management team members, shift their positions based on the questions he asks. To be clear, I’ve never once believed he was trying to sway opinions; he asks questions to understand, to probe the reasoning behind our stances. But the moment he asks something that even slightly challenges their view, they’re suddenly crafting a new position in the room.
Me? I’ve said it plainly:
“President [name withheld], you pay me well to bring my perspective and make sound decisions. You may not always like what I have to say, but I’m not here to agree with you, I’m here to listen, to consider your input, and to speak the truth as I see it. And if you ultimately decide to go another way, I’ll execute. But when things go sideways, you won’t be able to say no one in the room raised the concern.”
I usually get looks from my peers. I don’t care. The nuclear Navy and Admiral Rickover taught me better. He once said that he could train a monkey to watch a panel and push a button if he needed mindless followers. What he wanted were critical thinkers.
And your point stands, Congress, corporations, politicos, they’re full of snakes with no morals, no values. That’s why it matters more than ever that some of us hold the line.
Thank YOU!
If Trump succeeds and cleans up election fraud, you should run for office. We need people like you
IMO the only person who thinks going to Mars is a useful project is Elon. Elon is bored with his earth bound projects because they are mostly solved problems. He needed something really challenging to put his efforts towards. That doesn’t mean we need to pay for his other projects to succeed. They need to succeed on their own merit.
Sir, I like how you think!
In answer from my perspective: we would be foolish to think the so-called new world order Blob death cult will just roll over and surrender. After all it is a matter of good vs evil here.
Yes sir! Bottom line – long overdue doing away with corruption, votes to be bought and bribes.
“votes to be bought and bribes.”
Do you support the big beautiful bill?
If so, get off the high horse. My point is valid. Elon is better as an ally than an antagonist.
listen to yourself … what Elon is doing sounds like an ally to you, not an antagonist?
Great point – and we all know the answer – unfortunately – it is disgusting. I think it’s time to start calling these people names. They aren’t congress people. They are dishonest traitors who will do anything for money – to hell with our country. They are blood-suckers, and don’t give one hoot for our country, as long as they can stand at the trough and get their share of the take. They are good-for-nothing criminals and should be thrown out with the trash. I think that pretty much covers it.
I support BBB because I trust Trump that the unprecedented deficit increases in it will produce even higher unprecedented revenue gains for a net benefit.
But let’s not pretend he’s cost cutting anything. His buildings cost 10% more but they generate 11% more revenue. He readily funds everyone and everything with that 10% extra to purchase critical support. Imagine him hiring the most renowned cost-cutting General Contractor to build one 10% cheaper only to then say eh, I’m going with the high cost-high revenue model I prefer. But hey, thanks for helping me make everyone think I was going to be cutting expenses. Nope. In fact it’s going to be the most expensive building ever constructed. Welcome back Ukraine war funding and adios DOGE savings.
I remain supportive due to trust but can we at least stop pretending he’s not massively growing the government? Unlikely.
Good points.
That’s what (you) say. libelling how PDJT does things to cut cost making a high profile – buying them off? And you say “imagine him” (PDJT) doing it!!!! And you remain supportive, with trust? Trust that the revenue gains will result and you say that PDJT is growing government? And massively at that?
You are just curious? How come you’re not only pedantic. you spin tales with your imagination and tell other people that is what you deduce and not to trust PDJT who has concretely achieved those things that were deemed impossible; what no other contemporary world leader nor of American presidents in the last 60 years have been able to do. You call that buying them off too?
Curious you are – NOT!
He doesn’t have his own funding, its pittance. Remember who bankrolled the twitter purchase…….not his money
As I would also ,,,,,,, BUT IF subsidies is how you maintain your company. if your product’s value ALONE can’t sustain itself then it deserves to be culled out of financial equation of our economy. Elon getting so riled about this shows me his true colors. Reminiscent of a kid exposing other kid’s hands in cookie jar so the kid doing the exposing doesn’t get their hand caught in the jar.
thiMk about this “Elon is threatening a 3rd party “challenge” WOW if that is not a BIG problem for you ,,,, then your opinion does not even matter,,, basically Elon can FO IMHO IDFC what he has to say on ANYTHING.
“thAn funding” Lol
Elon just loves his H1B1 visa workers taking jobs from Americans. He is not MAGA!
The DOGE line was just… too funny. Gotta love it.
I’m not some self-styled, pseudo-Senpai (sic) or anything remotely approaching it … but I “predicted” a falling out between the Trump Administration and Musk from the get-go …
Why?? Well, we all have problems/weak spots in the way we’re “wired” in our psychological makeup — a mix of our strong suits and once again, those weak spots. That’s you, me, Trump, Musk … everyone. The main difference(s) in all of us seems to be the way we “cope” and handle those pluses and minuses along the road of life … ??
I’m no shrink, but in the case of President Trump and Mr. Musk, my “short list” boiled down to the two gentlemen’s character, training, intellect, personality, and discipline …
Musk is brilliant … but his minus column seems to contain what I’ll call bugaboos, night terrors, bête noires i.e., significant shortcomings … he’s still brilliant and useful, however.
Trump is brilliant … and in his minus column he’s got “issues” (as do we all) we’ve seen for decades … and currently, one of them is Elon Musk …
IMO, Trump is doing a much better job of handling his “issues” than Musk. One man is the MAGA leader and the other is a “soldier” in a real fight to bring our Country back to its founding principles.
Any question of which man I’d “follow into battle” is an easy one for me …
Any man (woman) who declares they are free of faults and issues are nothing more than narcissistic liars.
And one only has to look to the halls of Congress to find a whole lot of them; then we can look to our state capitols (or capitals, both are relevant here) to find even more. And some of us can find more in our town councils.
“Any man (woman) who declares they are free of faults and issues are nothing more than narcissistic liars.” I always find it “interesting” that we are “made in His image”…..
I do believe however, based upon your writings today, that you have surmounted your “faults and issues” significantly. Onward!
I guess that despite the fact Elon “never asked for anything”, he nevertheless expected something big?
I suppose there will be another clapback from him in response. As time goes on he proves himself to be a loose cannon, a troubled guy.
I want to save the country …wink wink
I imagine that he was causing trouble inside the White House. First we hear of his encounter with Peter Navarro. Then we here of him having an argument with Scott Bessent. Now he is openly and flagrantly picking fights with PDJT.
He does not have emotional control.
Trump does not need all this drama – he has enough without the “help” from Elon.
That’s worse than asking and reacting to rejection or omission.
We call it to covet – evilly.
Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Conflict of 2 natures
For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Romans Chapter 7 verses 7 – 25
I voted for PDJT last November.
Not Elon Musk, and not Subsidy Motors.
Musk loses this one, bigly.
There were a lot of people (trolls, bots, pretenders) who loudly proclaimed that Musk was the reason why President Trump won. That Elon was our “friend” and that he “dragged” President Trump “across the finish line.” All of that was a steaming mountain of BS.
Igor the Government Welfare Queen is in full FAFO mode right now. He will most definitely find out just how irrelevant he is to MAGA and President Trump.
For me… I hope Musk examines himself closely now, and a new realization occurs. He has a childlike enthusiasm that I like, and he has a brain that has enabled him to do great things of benefit to many.
and, although those in congress scream and holler about spending cuts hoping for a good camera angle,
when it comes to actually doing it they will resist as if they are competing n a rope pull
“More often than not, words are used to conceal the truth [rather than to reveal it]”.
Dr. Orion Taraban
IMO Elon is correct to hate any Omnibus type bill.
I’m old enough to remember when Congress voted for each Line Item. It was tedious, yes, but it made clear our congress critters stand on every issue making VOTING an informed decision.
Let’s get back to that.
Also-
Remember, we are dealing with a board certified genius that happens to be on the autism spectrum that became a billionaire businessman (disregarding how) that launches reusable rockets that land right back where they launched from.
(So frigging cool)
I respect him for that and the fact that he supported US in electing Trump.
He absolutely has a right to his opinion, he absolutely does not have a right to choose National Policy.
I won’t insult him because I disagree with him.
Democrats started that and we aren’t democrats, are we?
He is correct to hate both parties, liars and thieves living in a den of villainy and scum.
I hate them all.
A 3rd Party will just give us more people to hate.
I’m warming up to that idea.
Musk has no opinion one way or the other on “omnibus bills.” He probably doesn’t even know what an omnibus bill is.
Igor Musk is mad because his government “subsidies” are about to dry up. He’s a grifter and a filthy rich government welfare queen. He used MAGA in an attempt to get richer.
Elon cares about Elon. He is not our friend, and he never was. He doesn’t support MAGA or President Trump and he never has. We would all be better off if we quit pretending otherwise.
Ain’t buyin’ it
More performative art, more rabbit holes, more distraction leaving the opposition flailing and flummoxed, just the way Trump likes it
Poor Zelensky
I hope you are right.
If I never hear the word “Zelinsky” again, I will be so happy. Please just take your tin cup and go away never to be heard from again.
I imagine IndianPrincess1901 was offering sarcasm.
Elon may have legitimate concerns, but the way he approaches them is almost at the level of a man-child. This was one of the reasons that I was laughing when people were falling over themselves when got another love child from an “influencer”. How many times does a guy fall for the same “trick” (as people were making it out to be) before it is called a recurrent problem?
I mean, the guy is on his 13th love child now. Come on, people. The guy has some brains, but he is just too unstable for the halls of government. And that’s saying a lot. Considering the amount of degenerates that are already there.
A lot of unstable people in congress, absolutely!
Musk is a petulant child. Maybe he can team up with AOC and the Bernie Bros.
Every time Elon lets his mouth run away with him, he winds up with egg on his face. Well, maybe third time is the charm.
Notice the way Musk magnanimously “opened up” Twitter and then branded it X, shoring up that gubmint back door into our lives.
Again, like many of Musk’s projects, Twitter/X was a losing proposition without massive gubmint ‘backdoor’ funding. Sundance had highlighted this major vulnerability right from the start.
So who do Musk et al ultimately answer to? Opportunists who exploit MAGA for their own benefit will never walk a straight line because their true sympathies lie elsewhere.
I will not pretend that I didn’t fully expect the lifelong liar and fraud Elon Musk to turn on President Trump.
I’m actually glad he shot his wad yet again, and far before the midterms get into full swing.
The country needs to see this duplicitous welfare queen for what he is. Give Elon Musk time, he’ll show it loud and proud.
Just try to lay down a gauntlet for MAGA..
See how that works out for ya.
Never had an affinity for corporate welfare queens & the UniParty has always showered them with mountains of taxpayer 💰💵💰💵.
When Elon spent $240M? on the 2024 election, it was a paltry return on our forced investment but it was a return. Thanks for that.
Now hit the bricks.
Is the current Trump-Musk spat just more theater? President Trump threatening to
set Musk’s DOGE “monster” against it’s creator seems like classic Trump mode of business.
Or they could still be best buddies…
I really hope this is true. If it’s not is, they are doing a good job acting because this feels real.
Elon immediately starts threatening with what he thinks the power of his money can do. I’m not impressed with Elon nor his money. I would think he’s got enough going on to concern himself with rather than to hang his nose into politics. What he doesn’t see; most sensible people are MAGA and we’re tired of him already.
What if Elon Musk is drawing the MAGA traders out into the open? This is how you separate the wheat from the chaffe.
One see MAGA traders revealed themselves. He has the ability to do some damage to their ability to get their anti-MAGA content on X..
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What are maga traders? Did Siri misspell traitors?
Probably just a small mistake by the computer and one of the many reasons why I hate big tech. At least back in the day if we saw a mistake on something, we could blame it on the writer, not the machine being used to write it. I still remember when the computers took over, I was working on something and the computer started acting up. I called Big Tech and four guys came to my office and spent a lot of time just looking at the computer. So much time that I remember thinking “I could have retyped the thing five times” by now. I never forgot that and it hasn’t changed today. Big Tech is more trouble than it’s worth.
The “blame” lies with the ‘poster/commentor’. Read/edit a comment PRIOR to posting.. eh?
Elon got rich off Government subsidies, plain and simple… He “cracked the code” of using our tax dollars to sell government mandated EV’s to the public… He should tell us how all this happened in a hearing, under oath, and open to the public one of these days…
Looks like demoncrats will be loving Teslas again soon.
I don’t think so. They are all at the emergency room with emotional whiplash from the PDJT news these days. Being required to switch back to Elon support at this point (which now is pretty much We Have Always Been at War With Eastasia level brainwashing) would cause seizures in the aisles at Whole Foods.
I’ve run into a few who are so short-circuited now that they’re virtually suicidal. Not kidding. I live in one of the 4 main blue states…
The Heartbreak of TDS. It can actually kill…
Too funny but so true.
I’m keeping my 20+ year old HVAC system working. Just swapped the blower motor module yesterday, and ordered a new one for a spare. I don’t care how inefficient it is. I’m waiting for Trump to bring back simple R22 systems! The new Freon has f&cking propane in it! It’s flammable! Still repairing and using my 35 year old washer and dryer as well. 35 year old Amanda fridge still humming in the garage, it’ll probably outlast the 5 year old one in the kitchen. My 1998 computerless 12 valve Cummins diesel is still my favorite vehicle.
I realize you may think this post off topic, but it was triggered by the meme of VSG hauling the raft of manufacture back across the pond lol.
ON TOPIC: Once again, I firmly believe this is a fake fight between Elon and Trump, King of Narrative Deployment, the media bites every time.
If President Trump gets those oreo cookies back to being homemade I might buy me some more sometime.
Problem is ur replacement part are coming from China, but I am all in board with you. I do the same thing.
You are correct, and the motors are fine…the module controllers keep going out every year or so, and they won’t sell just the module lol so you have to buy the whole Chinese pile of crap attached to a motor. The motors are piling up lol. My buddy told me yesterday I could switch to a 3 speed blower motor with no control module, cheaper and bulletproof…BUT I’d have to figure out how to wire it up.
Right-on!
On the Cummins diesel, I’m not exaggerating when I say the hubster has been approached dozens of times by people offering to buy his 2005 Ram 3500 QuadCab dually, it’s got 500K miles and we replaced the clutch once. We hauled a 5-horse slant all over the place before we moved to Stone County, AR, we’ve hauled our critters up that 11-degree grade out of Leslie many times just engaging the clutch in second gear…it’s a beast! My bike is a 2015 Indian Chief Classic, ain’t selling that, either! I plan to ride til I’m a greasy spot on Hwy 65.
All our vehicles are 20+ years old,
…and NONE have GPS…NO THX!
Never get rid of an old appliance as long as it’s working and/or you can have it repaired. Take it to the bank. As Nancy Pelosi once said.
Fool me once…this is all Kayfabe at its finest IMHO. Not that the issues don’t exist, but there are other unstated issues involved that both of them understand. We’ll see. how this plays out in the days to come….
The growth side of the equation is not optional. Spending cuts alone will not make the government solvent again… MASA.
In Elon world, Trump is a king and can do whatever he wants. The congress has no say.
In Elon World, Elon is an Emperor.
I remember when Musk produced the first Tesla roadsters (like the one he shot into space), then started begging congress for some “green” subsidy money so he could produce more. He struck some deals, shook some hands, and bam – billionaire status. It was never his money. It was always stolen taxpayer money, given to him by our corrupt congressmen with the promise of some sweet kickbacks later. A bunch of kleptocrats got rich, and now Musk is furious that the free money tap is going to be shut off.
Perhaps Elon should start making fossil fuel vehicles (cars with engines) too! Or is he such a climate change radical that he just can’t bring himself to get that climate has always been a scam. Or maybe he’s not that smart.
PDJT actually suggested that to him at one point. They were both speaking at once in some event.
Elon is (=) WEF
“The economic goals of the administration are to grow the economy at a GDP rate larger than 3%, while simultaneously using the Office of Management and Budget to curtail spending allotments from congress.”
If this cannot be done without closing our borders to continued replacement of European people in our European civilization, then I will support it. The only reason we need to ‘grow’ the economy rather than maintain stability is for the rest of us to be milked to pay off the federal debt which has grown because the MONEY HAS BEEN STOLEN under color of law.
There is a reason that Matt Gaetz insisted, as part of his rebellion against that weasel McCarthy, for the right to have time to READ legislation before voting on it. Those voting on what becomes law literally have no idea what is in the legislation they are legalizing. Nor do they care, as long as the donor checks clear.
How is money/currency made? The game is rigged. A small group instantiates new currency then loans it to the government expecting interest on it to be paid. Any solution to this problem that requires the destruction and replacement of Heritage America is completely unacceptable. If our corrupt merchants can’t fix the problems they created without destroying and replacing our people, then maybe the entire system is hopelessly corrupt and illegitimate.
I’ve been a fanatic anti-communist since I read Solzhenitsyn’s “Gulag Archipelago” when I was 14-15. Believe me when I say that if we had a communist party like the Chinese or Vietnamese, a NATIONALIST communist party, I would join it. I would not join it because I believe in communism, but because NATIONALISM comes FIRST. You don’t see their ruling classes annihilating their own peoples. Nationalist capitalism is best. Nationalist socialism (a mixed economy) is 2nd best. Nationalist communism is the worth of the three. HOWEVER, all are better than internationalist anything. Internationalism means the death of the people.
The perfect is the enemy of the good enough. Preserving the people is good enough in the present disaster. Everything else, financial system, educational system, etc can be fixed later, as long as your people remain intact. But if your people get destroyed, you are FINISHED. Everything your ancestors sacrificed for, for the last 8000 years, will be gone. Your historical existence will be a footnote is someone else’s history book. The echo that your existence will make through the generations will be that of an example of the path to not follow.
Exactly what choices do we have on the table right now? My point is moot, because there is no chance for nationalist communism. The left used to define itself, even if only as an aspiration, as opposition to out of control oligarchy, but it has become completely the servants of the very worst civilization-destroying transnational corporatism. There is no option for nationalist anything on the table. The internationalist corporate destroyed the last true conservatives in the Republican Party by the end of the 1960’s/beginning of the 1970’s. Those on the Dem side have been skillfully (let’s be honest about enemies, their thought leaders are not all retards) guided towards being internationalist precisely so that no challenge to transnational corporate rule could come from the left.
Some call the economic/financial system under which we live ‘hypercapitalism’ but it really isn’t because capitalism is supposed to be about free and fair competition, and a primary goal of those who have conquered Western Civilization is to remove all competition to their rule and rentseeking profit streams. Maybe full civilizational collapse is the only cure at this point. The cheap-labor-over-all-else factions need to be told NO MORE. If this is not possible, then the system our Founding Fathers bequeathed us has run it course and its mutilated corpse, feasted upon by pack of jackals and hyenas on 2-legs, has no more legitimacy.
We need to build a rightwing resistance to international corporatism. The first step is understanding that we are at war, and the enemy is on our soil and inside our institutions, not on the other side of the planet.
Elon is the office clown. Everyone enjoyed his antics but no one takes him really serious.
It would be extremely satisfying to zero out taxpayers genuflection to the biggest of all welfare Queens.
If That statement should make it very clear to those who don’t know Musk is a govt funded trust baby, nothing will
Most know this but now I think more will understand
Honestly Musk can take a walk. He should convert his teslas to combustion engine and he may have a fighting chance
So am I the only one concerned that a third party by Musk will wreak total havoc?
Third parties are the democrats and McConnell RINOS favorite trick.
Same trick works every time.
Elon is something else, imo, and not in a good way.
I love Trump’s statement.
Elon can try to form a 3rd party and I’ll pop the popcorn. I do not think his supporters will end up being any more stable than he is. He might end up with more Democrats at this rate.
Poor Tesla owners have got to be so confused.
I can see Musk taking voters from the commie dem side of the aisle and the RINO wing during the primaries.
To You and 180days
3rd party is a vote splitting tactic that you don’t understand or you would not be so flippant about this.
The third party gimmick works. Mitch and the democrats have used it VERY successfully for decades.
Here is an easy example to understand. In a race between a really good conservative candidate and a democrat, all agree the conservative will win.
So “they” run another conservative who is SUPER DOOPER pro-life and SUPER DOOPER pro-guns and calls for the abolition of taxes.
End result? The democrat wins.
Elon is smart enough to game that system. He’s the richest man in the world. It doesn’t take a lot of billions to do this trick in targeted districts.
Good point! It could work in favor of the MAGA majority.
There have been numerous suggestions here that PDJT should go third party.
They were always countered by people knowledgeable in the US political machine. They pointed out that attempting to get a third party off the ground in all the states is a task equivalent to Hercules’ clearing of the Aegean Stables. The entire machine on both sides is geared to keep it from happening in any meaningful way.
The only third parties allowed are ones like the libertarians who have no chance with a winning majority because of their impractical purism. I was one for years, and saw it.
In comparison, getting the BBB through the current Congress is a cakewalk.
PDJT took on a tough task with his hostile takeover of the Repugs. But he chose that road for a reason.
Third parties work great as spoilers.
Musk, being brilliant can strategize which races he can win using a 3rd party spoilers (see my example of how they use 3rd parties as spoilers for key races above).
He has the money and means to do to MAGA what Mitch McConnell did to the Tea Party.
It would be best if Elon did not have the motive.
Elon is going to face – plant with this.
I am not concerned. Those with eyes to see and ears to hear, our MAGA core, cannot be led astray.
The rest never had a fighting chance anyway. Because they don’t know God, they were always ripe for the picking.
Musk thought DOGE would be appreciated and enacted, he’s bitter that Trump didn’t lean harder on Congress to make that happen. Even though it’s not his usual style, Trump could go a little easier on Musk, whose cost-cutting efforts for the nation were substantial.
(1) Per Senate rules for this type of reconciliation bill –most DOGE cuts cannot be included in the BBB bill.
This type of bill is only requires 51 votes instead of the usual 60 so this is where all the MAGA campaign promises and tools for the MAGA economic growth agenda is contained. The downside is a reconiciliation bill restricts what is allowed in it. DOGE cannot be in this bill.
But, never fear, the plan is for the DOGE cuts to be made via rescission bills to follow after BBB is passed. For a rescission bill to be used, the initial funding bill must first be passed (BBB). Then the DOGE cuts can be made via rescission which also only requires 51 votes. The key is that BBB must first be passed before a rescission bill is allowed.
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(2) Go easier on Musk? Aside from calling the president a pedophile and directly and rudely attacking all of us who oppose H1-B, Musk is threatening to primary every single Trump supporting member of Congress. Said this on multiple occasions, Musk has told us he is an enemy of MAGA. (Sidenote: Musk greatly under-delivered on DOGE –promising 2 Trillion and finding a small fraction of that.)
Musk will only get worse until he is smacked down. President Trump let him rail for a day before responding. We are in the middle of a very tight voting process to pass this MAGA bill which contains most all the MAGA campaign promises and tools to enact the growth agenda. We can’t cost cut our way out of debt.
This bill will launch growth that will do that. Also BBB is essential for funding dealing with illegal immigration and if we don’t want our taxes to jump way up next year, we need BBB to prevent the 2017 tax cuts from expiring.
This is the third time Elon Musk has directly threatened to use his wealth to tear down the MAGA movement. Take him at his word. I don’t care if Musk has mental illness, a drug problem, autism or what –he’s a threat to getting the MAGA agenda enacted in the short time we have to accomplish it.
I hope Musk’s government funding is erased. I don’t want my taxes underwriting his wealth.
Trump knew, or should’ve know, from the outset that Musk is a bit odd. Still, Musk was on the side of the angels, and Trump’s should’ve stuck with his previous “Musk’s gone nuts” approach. Musk did help raise consciousness about waste and abuse, and for free; loose talk about deporting him isn’t exactly fair.
Musk has three times gone full attack mode against all of us. He is quite clear he will use his wealth to primary all Trump supporters in Congress and will start a new part to dismantle the MAGA movement.
Oh and he told us to you-know-what if we don’t get on board with H1-B visas. Finally he accused President Trump of being a pedophile.
I’m tired of all this molly coddling of Musk who in his own words is a self-declared enemy of the MAGA movement.
They were much lower than what he sold on the way in.
It definitely works in our favor that Musk had previously imploded in such a ridiculously childish manner, forewarning MAGA of his selfish and irresponsible tendencies well before this BBB vote. Anyone who is still influenced by Musk after that episode was never bonafide MAGA to begin with, so let them traipse off the cliff behind their Pied Piper transhumanist. Just get it over with.
The ENEmedia will endlessly push the “great divide” until they pivot to their next anti-Trump mockingbird campaign. No surprise there..
The EV mandate is to require submission of controls through “licensing” your access to your own vehicles. This is dark and insidious. It is a way to establish subscription services to your own car and FURTHER, those terms and conditions under these subscriptions will require you not be able to modify your own car in ways they do not approve. The days of souping up your cars are over and the costs associated with repairs leave people at the mercy of manufacturers who seek to establish improved revenue streams based on their own faulty systems and devices. “Right to Repair” laws are being established everywhere BUT at the same time, when a complaint is lodged against a clear violator of such law, the government declines to prosecute. Many existing laws block civil suits only allowing for government to sue on behalf of the people.
I would estimate about 75% of people are in the spectrum of “does not understand” to “I don’t care, it’s inevitable and there’s nothing I can do about it.” That is to say people are STUPID and WEAK. But 25% of the rest is more than enough to make noise about it. So if it’s more like 80/20 there’s an even harder battle and 90/10 is still “possible” but more on the not possible to resolve spectrum.
I do see the inevitability of electric cars but see so much problem as well. We’re still being pushed and controlled through our cars both ICE and EV via technological implants that do not need to be there and especially EVs when we do not even have a national infrastructural standard to adopt. Such standards are understood for road travel and especially rail and air travel. But EV road travel has a heavy dependence on batteries with very limited range. So taking a trip across the country on I-20 isn’t really feasible without taking extraordinary breaks for charging and even worse when lots of people are WAITING to charge.
We should completely work to block ALL aspects preventing ownership and use of the things we buy by the big manufacturers. It’s disgusting and dare I say this is VERY Oligarchic.
I feel like the universe is returning to normal as we get back to pointing out that Elon made his money on a government banking regulatory loophole (PayPal) and billions in govt subsidies.
And he owns a social media company in Twitter that, in a just society, ought to be thrown into an active volcano.
Elon you and your tech bros have wrecked many things! All most of us want is our washing machines to wash clothes not spit water on them. All the bells and whistles might make It “SMART”, but it doesn’t wash the clothes worth a damn! Some of us have “DIRTY JOBS”. Same with EV cars, tech is making things too expensive and most of us don’t want all that tech in ALL things.
Elon went from a MAGA STUD to a MASSIE DUD in less than a year!
BRING BACK MY GMC SAFARI!
The Bill may be all we can get, but it’s still a disastrous monstrosity of the inability of our system to function properly.
Trump is gone in 3 years. Stasis may drop in 1 1/2 years. We will be stuck with devastation from this bill… any gains fleeting and the destruction remaining.
Perhaps this might be God’s final nail in his judgement of us and the earth?
Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
Elon made most of his fortune from government subsidies and mandates. While his “Tesla” became sexy to many folks, it was and is never a practical car. Perhaps if something used hydrogen-powered fuel cells. But, that’s never going to happen, either. The simple fact is that “electricity” is not yet a valid way to power an automobile – the tech isn’t there.
I truly hope Elon doesn’t go down this road. I greatly admire him, but he will fail spectacularly, just like Sea Island Mitch & DeSantis did.
One cant buy MAGA hearts and minds, nor can we be easily fooled. We are battle hardened and aware.
It would be a terrible loss of the time he has been given on this Earth, to be spent in the sewage blender of politics.
Go back to doing great things.
MAGA’s leader has been disciplined – for endurance. Also are those who have endured and are still facing in one way or another, all they have feared for, been attacked, ridiculed, banned, undeservedly forced or jailed during the last recent years.
True steadfast MAGA patriots are b battle hardened, aware – you are absolutely right.
In this household, the head and leader embodies concretely, perceptibly this discipline. God is in charge. We see this when Jesus gave His disciples training in courage and endurance. Not for nothing and not merely to face an absurd hazard. To witness the miracle from gradually training coaching and fitting them for endurance.
Jesus had TWO OBJECTIVES. He wanted to teach them to remain undismayed amid dangers and modest in honors. So, to prevent them from thinking too much of themselves, (in this case, anti-MAGA BBB, a list of names in an ever-continuing ream are imprinted).
Jesus, having sent away the multitude, kept His discples near him but permitted them to be tossed with a tempest.
By doing so he DISCIPLINED them to bear trials patiently. His former miracles were indeed great, but this one contained A
UNIQUE KIND OF DISCIPLINE OF EXCEPTIONAL IMPORTANCE.
For it was a sign akin to that of old [Moses parting the Red Sea]
“Why are you afraid – O men of little faith?”
We pray that You, Lord Jesus, increase our faith in your redeeming love and power that we may always recognize your abiding presence with us. Give us courage and strength to face every difficulty, trial, and temptation with trust in your
saving help and guiding presence.
For you are not a God who delights in wickedness; evil may not sojourn
with you.
The boastful may not stand before your eyes; you hate all evildoers.
You destroy those who speak lies; the LORD abhors bloodthirsty and
deceitful men.
But I through the abundance of your steadfast love will enter your house, I
will worship toward your holy temple in the fear of you.
Lead me, O LORD, in your righteousness because of my enemies; make your
way straight before me.
Psalm 5 : 4-8
AMEN.
Little bit of “wealth” envy there…
POTUS ?
Perhaps Musk is envious of POTUS –interesting take. I do think Musk may have some envy re President Trump’s accomplishments and the love he receives from his supporters. But I don’t think that’s the motivation … EV tax credits .. a little closer to the mark.
Elon – panicking …as is Rand Paul
Who/which of the 2 men have expressed “wealth envy”?
MY issue is that we have not passed a budget since 2008(?)
We simply keep raising the debt limit and there is no vetted economic principal that says it is viable…quite the opposite.
A ‘British disease, none other than Libertarianism, is making figures like Elon Musk and Rand Paul panic. Uncover the 1947 origins of this destructive ideology and how Trump is fighting to restore America’s true economic power.
Trump’s transformative plans for Middle East peace and a new era of American prosperity.
Trump’s ‘big, beautiful bill’ aimed at revitalizing the U.S. economy is a contrast with British Libertarian policies; criticized for hollowing out the nation.
Trump’s unique foreign policy approach, his economic strategies, and the ongoing battle between Hamilton’s American system and the British Empire’s free trade practices,
SOURCE : Barbara Boyd
https://www.prometheanaction.com/the-monday-brief-trump-rolls-out-huge-peace-deal-british-libertarians-panic-cant-handle-big-beautiful-bills-american-system-revival-june-30-2025/
It’s pretty amazing when you can convince so called “social” conservatives to cheer a continuing resolution omnibus.
All it takes is a little propaganda and the group think suddenly overrides Obama’s Keynesian as being negative.
People are absolutely gullible!
This is not a continuing resolution. It is also not a budget bill –that happens in September.
This is a reconciliation bill, a special type of bill that has lots of restrictions on what it can include but which allows us to put in most of the MAGA agenda items with only a 51 majority vote (vs 60 for most bills).
Heere’s the timeline:
(1) BBB/MAGA reconciliation bill
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(2) August – rescission bills …this is where the DOGE claw backs of spending happen. Rescission bills also only require a simple majority vote BUT per Senate rules, these spending cuts/claw backs cannot happen until after the funding bill (BBB) is passed.
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(3) September – budget bill …requires 60 votes (Dem support required).
It’s semantics, a omnibus is an omnibus is an OMNIBUS.
Congress now doled out by committee wherever and whoever they wish to fund.
You guys trying to suddenly pretend that debt and government expansion is good have drank way too much Kool-aid.
The only way out of this debt is through massive growth which the BBB will enable.
Think of someone earning $25,000 a year with a $1 million debt. Trimming that person’s budget will not help that person pay down such a sizeable debt.
Only major growth can work to reduce our massive debt.
President Trump promised great growth and this bill is the MAGA legacy tool kit to help him do that. I trust President Trump. The economy is his wheelhouse .
Incorrect.
I never understood Musk being Trumps shadow and the way he paraded just the one child around with him. It was a circus. People need to stop with the hero worshiping of Musk, he really can’t do anything to change the minds of Trump supporters and h can’t run for office.
Musk will be shocked to realize any political party he creates will ultimately be Trumps Party. The best Musk can do is maintain what he has, as he should. X (Twitter) has become a platform for those who are willing to pay for the service. The rest of us are invisible.
Why is Musk so mad?
The 15% corporate tax rate should make up for the loss in subsidies, right? Oh wait, to get that tax rate he and his tech bro buddies would have to hire Americans. That shouldn’t be a problem, correct?
Uh oh.