It’s all right there for those who have eyes to see and do not pretend.
Chopper Pressers are the best pressers. Departing the White House President Trump leads off his initial remarks by saying. … “And I’m talking directly to Israel right now”… “I’m not happy with Israel, I’m not happy at all.” President Trump repeats.
President Trump is speaking about the increased fire the Israeli government conducted, as soon as the ceasefire was announced, and again talking about the ongoing retaliation fire that Israel is taking right now to a single Iran rocket that missed any Israeli target. “Israel needs to calm down,” he continued.
Then, to drive home the point and express his frustration, President Trump says, “we basically have two countries that have been fighting so long and so hard, that they don’t know WHAT THE FUCK THEY’RE DOING! Do you understand that?” He then turns his back in disgust and walks away. WATCH:
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This week wasn’t just about stopping Iran. It was also about taking Israel’s “Iran has nukes!” card off the table.
I am posting it for clarification of Sequance of event.
Prime Minister’s Office of Israel:
The ceasefire was set for 7:00 a.m. At 3:00 a.m., Israel attacked forcefully in the heart of Tehran, striking regime targets and killing hundreds of Basij and Iranian security forces.
Shortly before the ceasefire went into effect, Iran launched a barrage of missiles, one of which claimed the lives of four of our citizens in Beersheba.
At 7:00 AM, the ceasefire went into effect.
At 7:06 a.m., Iran launched one missile into Israeli territory and at 10:25 a.m., two more missiles.
The missiles were intercepted or fell in open areas without casualties or damage.
In response to Iran’s violations, the Air Force destroyed a radar array near Tehran.
Following President Trump’s conversation with Prime Minister Netanyahu, Israel refrained from further attacks.
In the conversation, President Trump expressed his immense appreciation for Israel – which achieved all of its war goals. The President also expressed his confidence in the stability of the ceasefire.
Then why would the President respond this way?
Trump is furious about something you have have obviously left out.
➜Following⬅︎ President Trump’s conversation with Prime Minister Netanyahu, Israel refrained from further attacks.🤷🏻♂️
He’s leaving something out.
Trump is not this mad for no reason. I’m guessing Israel gave promises to Trump if he took out their nuke sites, and then they reneged. Only reasonable explanation.
The conversation was after the helicopter left; after his “I’m not happy with Israel” presser. He said so in the presser, “As soon as I get away from you, I’m going to see if I can stop it.” The call was made. We’ll have to wait to hear from him about the conversation.
Until then, relax.
I’m relaxed Sir.
My take is the US committed its own forces to take out the biggest threat to Israel and that was the Iranian nuke sites.
I don’t know what promises or negotiations were made, but I’m guessing there were numerous discussions between the US and Israel before we committed our forces.
Have you considered how insulting your take is?
I’m curious…
How was that insulting…
Seems factual to me….
this is a problem many have where any suggestion israel might have done anything wrong is taken as incredibly insulting. it’s not rational. every country on earth acts selfishly, makes mistakes, breaks a compact at some point. even israel.
did they in this case? who knows. but it shouldn’t be insulting to suggest they might have.
I explained below.
As usual…
Sometimes a fella can just be physically and mentally exhausted…
PDJT has been going nonstop now for days. I really hope he gets a decent nap during his flight.
Catnaps are good even for Big Cats.
maybe his advisors told him about the one missile but not the barrage into an apartment building that killed 5 persons.
See Bannon’s opening remarks after his “cold open” of msm clips.
Netanyahu lied to President Trump after PdJT took incoming for him on a late night phone call last night. Told him disingenuously that he Netanyahu could not stop the attack and then went ahead and sent more.
Netanyahu and his government are evil scum.
Bannon says Israel is not an ally they are a protectorate.
He also calls Mark Levin, “Tel Aviv Levin”.
I think Trump is angry because Israel went in to take out Iran’s nuclear capability without telling Trump first, then Israel turns and asks for our help. Israel knows Trump does not want anymore wars and this was manipulation by Israel to force us to act.
Ironically it seems to me, that the destruction of iran’s nuclear sites has now made it impossible for any excuse to continue these wars.
We do not wish to engage in regime change anymore either.
I disagree with your assessment…
I believe Trump was acting in coordination with Israel from the beginning…
Seems to me from a casual observer that the good cop, bad cop strategy from the beginning…
I believe DJT reacted as he did because IDF colored outside the lines in an attempt for some last licks…
That WASN’T part of the deal…DJT was pissed because he was cheated….
Taking out the sites, followed by the immediate calls for escalation and regime change, proved one very important thing.
It was never about the nukes.
So Trump took that away, forcing Israel and its puppets in DC to openly call for a regime change war. Another regime change war is massively unpopular with the American People. So the people whose agenda is really regime change, hiding behind the nuke issue, are now fully exposed.
And they’re pissed.
How about Jerusalem Joel?
“Sloppy Steve” and “Tel Aviv Levin” – sounds like they ought to try making a Broadway musical together.
{Full disclosure – Bannon and Levin are both utter turds and scum in my opinion, to put it paraphrastically Presidentially, like my hero VSGPDJT: “Fukkem both“. ]
Bannon and Levin are not of the same opinion on this war, nor are they the same in their support of Trump.
Why put them together Nobody?
Good question, thanks for asking, seriously.
This is very important.
Both individuals are separate but equal parts of “narrative control”, in general [including but not only about this war] each having clear, publicly stated, and quite consistent, different [from each other] positions on various issues of political interest.
Both purport to be “Right wing” [Republican types].
Close examinations of the origins and actions of each of these “front men”, leads one to the inescapable conclusion they are actors promoting various agendas the interests they represent are interested in propagating.
The most concise way I can put it in this comment would be an analogy – they are similar to overtly pro-wars [except if it’s some kind of war or use of force President Trump is considering] Nancy Pelosi, and ostensibly anti-wars AOC [except if the war or use of force has anything to do with Ukraine]. Levin and Bannon are the analogs of those two [with admittedly orders of magnitude more intelligence, coherence, and eloquence verbally and in writing], but on the “Right”.
Two loud noisemakers [with equally repulsive breath according to reports from unfortunate victims of close contact with either of them], getting people to join one “team” or the other as dedicated “fans” and waste time and effort confronting each other, trying to sway President Trump, and distracting us from crushing our real enemies – the “owners” of all of the teams [ie, those behind and controlling deep state/IC and “globalist” control mechanisms]…
We need people like Bannon and he’s ONE, just ONE reason Maga grew, but I have listened to him long enough that I know he gets out over his skiis a lot.
Actually, I agree with you.
He said why he is furious.
1. The heavy attack that Israel did prior to the time of the ceasefire. I think it’s a misunderstanding because it is a usual thing that each side increases fire before a ceasefire.
2. Israel was about to give a devastating attack after the two missiles which were fired into Israel hours after the ceasefire started. He thought it could get things backwards.
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Then why would the President respond this way?
It is the only possible posture to he could take to assure Iran that we are neutral, to keep us out of further engagement, and to protect American assets and interests in the area.
Think it through. Daddy come in where two little boys are fighting. One, who is engaged in walloping the other, has a bloody nose and says that the other took his toy truck away from him and hit him with it.
What does Dad do.
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The closer analogy is Daddy stumbles in on the toddlers, one step ahead of a putsch right outside the door, and finds the boys have a bunch of blown up, mangled dead bodies laying around the room, because Daddy’s predecessors armed the boys to the teeth some years ago so they would be busy fighting and never realize who’s really behind the ills they suffer, but it’s okay with Daddy because the predecessors were “good people” and such, and it would have been worse if they hadn’t been vaccinated with the wonderful vaccine…
[BONUS NOTE: Ironically, Israel and Iran are two of the most extremely highly Pfizer covID vax compliant idiocracies in the world]
We were never neutral, we took out their nukes, they attacked the USA with proxies since 1979. I think PDJT made a mistake or was inaccurately advised by his advisors: it was not a single missile that caused no harm, it was a barrage of missiles intentionally fired into a civilian apartment building killing 5 persons.
Why did he act that way? Because while it IS common that early breaks in cease fires take place often, HE isn’t often involved in them and THIS involves HIM and HIS COUNTRY and he knows it won’t take much for either Iran OR Israel to use a break to declare all bets are off.
He told them to calm the eff down. And they didn’t.
It’s a time table. Nothing is missing from it. The response to the two missiles at 10:25 AM was going to be significant and endanger the end of war. That is what he was mad about . Also the magnitude of the Israeli attacks before the designated time of the ceasefire were massive and endangered the agreement.
And that is what is called face saving propaganda….
Like when you got spanked in front of your friends as a kid…
That didn’t hurt was your refrain…
Something tells me the ceasefire was part of a “deal” for the US fireworks…
What David said sounded factual, not like propaganda. So specify the difference please.
But was it factual to President Trump?
You saw his reaction just like all of us.
His reaction seemed to me to be inappropriate, as if he was mistaken or misinformed, it was a barrage of missiles into an apartment building killing 5 persons and not a single missile that harmed no one.
Yeah, based on the body language and tone at the pressor, I’m betting this lil ditty wasn’t a part of the conversation…
“In the conversation, President Trump expressed his immense appreciation for Israel – which achieved all of its war goals”
That was what I was referencing ….
As well as their actions leading up to the ceasefire….
I explained why he was pissed off and he actually said why:
1.Israel gave them a devastating blow after the ceasefire was agreed upon and before the beginning of the ceasefire. I think it’s a misunderstanding. It is usual to increase fire before the moment of a ceasefire. Israel had more targets that were not covered yet and they got to it fast.
2. Israel was sending attack jets after two missiles were fired into Israel. But he didn’t mention that it was 3.5 hours after the ceasefire began.
And I see some who think that I am inventing things. I was actually there when the alert and sirens went on and it was actually in my direction. We heard the interceptors.
I dont think folks here are interested in the details, they just see PDJT angry and assume its correct. To me his reaction seemed inappropriate to what actually took place so I assumed he was misinformed or mistaken when he said it was one missile that harmed no one.
Also, although odd, I read from a white house schedule that Iran was supposed to cease fire first for 12 hours and then Israel was to cease fire. I first read that in PDJT statement and then their was a later release from white house to clarify the confusion. If that was correct then Iran was to cease fire for 12 hours before Israel would cease fire. I assume that was due to Israel having mission off already and they dont want to cease fire if Iran wasn’t serious.
The added time for Israel was probably because Bibi wanted it to complete the checklist of targets.
Trump was pissed off because he announced the end of the war and it was maybe going to not end.
There are many factors behind it: The Isolationists in MAGA. He could show that he ended the war.
The ego of how he looks if he announced to the world the end of war and then it doesn’t end.
Also Bibi promised or explained that attacking the nuclear sites will speed up the end of war.
Also the simple fact that he doesn’t like to see more war.
Also, PDJT said it was too late for a cease fire, only surrender, and then instead a cease fire became the goal. A cease fire without other guarantees only benefitted the mullahs. PDJT wanted to appear the peacemaker.
For you it’s propaganda. For me those two massive missiles that arrived to us 3.5 hours after the ceasefire began where actually directed not far from my home. We were in a saferoom (that is not safe at a direct hit) we heard the sirens and interceptors. Following it Israel sent jets to Iran and that is when Trump got pissed off.
I’m not disagreeing with the facts you state…
My reaction was to the tone….
I’m sure DJT didn’t pat BeBe on the head and tell him he was a good boy….
I’m betting BeBe got a dressing down…
That’s it…
It would help Israel’s cause if they took a step back and “gave peace a chance”…
They actually DID, according to VSGPDJT himself, so if he’s telling the truth, this little hiccup was nothing at all, and handled artfully by the Dealmaker In Chief 🙂
what about the Iran missiles into the apartment building that killed 5 people, why would PDJT give BB a dressing down for that?
The missies that one of them hit the building were fired just before the agreed time and hit a bit after.
I explained why he was angry before and after. I can understand it.
I agree. Once Trump brokered the deal Israel should have de-escalate. Israel thought: “we have some more hours, let’s speed up and complete the list of targets”. That is not unusual before ceasefires but was not helpful and contrary to the intentions of Trump.
The family was killed after the cease fire declaration
Without getting in to any argument about anything else about this, indeed, VSGPDJT could have just as easily and maybe even more legitimately railed on Iran, saying “Why dafuk did Iran have to kill and injure all those people just hours after they agreed to ceasefire?”
Maybe that’s one of the things he meant when he said regarding both Israeli and Iranian regimes, “They don’t know what the f*ck they’re doing anymore”. [Not sarcasm, just analyzing]
I was surprised that PDJT referred to the single “harmless” missile when in fact it was missiles into an apartment building that killed 4 or 5 people. Somehow I couldn’t believe he would knowingly react against Israel in that situation so I am assuming he was mistaken or misinformed.
The time table is “propaganda” ? Whatever.
You left out that the ceasefire for Iran was agreed to start 12 hours earlier than the cease fire for Israel.
That would seem to be problematic on its face. Why not ceasefire at same time?
Time enough to get Israeli assets back into Israeli territory… perhaps
I dont know but I read that in his statement earlier and there was also a clarification put out by the whitehouse. Maybe BB did not want to enter a ceasefire unless Iran demonstrated a cease fire first. In any case it Iran fired missiles into an apartment building that killed 5 persons so I think PDJT should have dressed Iran down.
I never read or heard that. Where is the link to that information? Why would anyone agree to that?
I heard it several times as well.
It’s in President Trump’s truth social post announcing the ceasefire. Multiple people posted it in yesterdays posts or you can find it on truth social.
look up the whitehouse clarification of schedule for the cease fire
Is this true. It makes no sense.
You are not helping your cause David
Why not explain where his assertions are incorrect. That is a debate, as opposed to a simple contradiction.
but did you pay for a debate? or a contradiction?
I came for the debate, and stayed for the contradiction…
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It’s obvious. And while we are at it, who believes Israeli Intelegence was blind sided by the Oct. 7 attack?
Please, give me break. Either way, I will continue to pray for peace. God have mercy.
I dont think its a debate. First are the facts:
1-did Iran send missiles that hit an apartment building killing 5 after the cease fire was declared or was it a single harmless missile
2- did the cease fire schedule call for Iran to cease fire first for 12 hours with Israel to enter the cease fire after the first 12 hours and then after the second 12 hours the cease fire would be considered permanent.
3- did Israel state upon acceptance of the cease fire that they would tolerate no violations and respond to every violation.
If these are true then PDJT should have dressed down Iran instead of Israel.
Also, I think the dismissal of Davids facts and experience by Sundance are callous and unwarranted. He is merely trying to show you the facts taking place from his own experience on the ground while it is happening, that the cease fire is being broken by Iran and it goes unreported. It would not be the first time that facts go unreported in order to put a spin.
I agree with your direction, except facts are many and reasonable folk disagree. Yet out right baseless dismissal of David’s perspective, which was reasonable to me, is not warranted.
Unless every point David makes explaining his reasoning and position was overtly false and misleading, which it inarguably and clearly was not whatsoever, there is no valid basis to object to the way he’s presenting his argument.
It seems, objectively, that no one, not even the biggest opponent in disagreement with David would fairly find any fault in his posts [regardless of disagreements on conclusions or not].
If anything, posts like David’s would lead readers and even David himself to more well-honed, factual, objective conclusions whatever their position was/is.
Retired Magistrate here: A cease fire needs some indication of good faith. Israel was watching the clock, saw it had four hours left and rather than just standing down let go with a barrage of missiles so of course Iran was going to respond. Somebody had to show good faith and President Trump was hoping that it would be Netanyahu; sadly that was not the case.
Yes President Trump is upset because he stuck his neck out for Israel by using our excellent Air Force to take out or at least severely damage Iran’s nuclear facilities. So what did Netanyahu do; attempt to drag President Trump into further escalating a situation which is already a hot mess. President Trump is trying to cool it off and he hoped that Netanyahu would help; Netanyahu didn’t.
The Iranian missile killed a family, that’s why.
Marcia is right but this is a good point and it’s likely THE Point.
Had those last few missiles not done much, Bibi may have then walked away and let it go and moved into the ceasefire, BUT those last few missiles did something very bad, killed a family, not just a singular death, a family..
I’m not saying Bibi was right, but understanding what exactly happened is important to know before we all start judging from our couch.
and I am wondering Why PDJT did not mention that but instead referred to a single missile that harmed no one. It was a war crime and occured after the cease fire was declared.
You are right.
But then it’s also clear that POTUS is working so hard to de-escalate this situation, I’ve seen in a post that he said “Israel needs to calm down”.
So even though what we’re saying here is true and right (it appears anyway), making more out of it is certainly not going to help to bring calm to allow the ceasefire to hold.
This is a case where we need to see the big picture here, one family has been lost but we’re trying to save the rest of the families.
Meme from moonofalabama.org : US/Israel -we attacking Iran because they have nuclear weapon….
Q: Why don’t you attack Russia ?
US: Are you crazy ? They have nuclear weapons and Oreschnik……. David surely not helping his cause ..David this Sundance website is free exchange views …most of us know someone would rather continue war /break promises gave to VSG PDJT because alternative is if he stop war he will face Court house..as I understand in time of the war there is censorship in your home country ..here you can express your view freely. We know prime minister been scheduled court appearance on 06/12/2025…… and he start attack on Iran on 06/13…..in the time negotiations between USA/IRAN.. it’s saaaad average citizens of both countries have to pay soooo dearly for mistakes of politicians…Israel need politician as gen. Y.Rabin been to bring peace ….before they kill him…..
Hi Sundance,
I reviewed all the available information and I am going to surprise you.
I actually agree with most of what you’re saying aside for one thing that is less important and I will elaborate.
Now, I don’t know your analysis as to motives but as to actions there is not much to argue about.
Here is how I see it now:
1. Since I knew well in advance that Israel is almost done with the list of targets and will want a ceasefire in 24 hours, I can conclude that the ceasefire was not a surprise but was coordinated with Trump. Israel wanted to avoid a war of attrition. It is a small nation and can’t survive attrition for a long time.
2. Once it was decided on a designated time for the beginning of the ceasefire, Israel rushed to complete the list of targets before the designated time. The main target was the Headquarters of the Basij. The organization who suppresses an uprising. Israel hopes that the Iranians will revolt as a consequence of the war and is setting the ground for it. A massive attack on their Headquarters killed many of them. Some say more than a hundred.
3. Trump was pissed off and saw it as a sabotage of his effort to stop the war. Israel saw it as within the agreed upon time table. I can see and agree to Trump’s point of view. But if this will turn out that the Iranians will rise and get rid of the oppressive regime then maybe Israel was right to do it. Sometimes you know what is right or wrong in the test of time.
4. The Iranians hit on the apartment building a few minutes after the ceasefire began (they fired before and it landed after) that killed 5 civilians and injured more than 20 created a big reaction in the Israeli population. This means that it’s a pressure on the Government to respond.
5. 3.5 hours later Iran fired two missiles to Haifa area. I was personally affected by it. One was intercepted and one fell on empty space. Just so you know we are talking about huge missiles. Sometimes over a ton heavy.
6. At this point the Government felt obliged to respond. Israelis were demanding a response. We think that with Radical Islam a show of weakness can cost us later. So Israel made a statement and sent a large number of jets to respond.
My agreement with you and Trump, Sundance, is on this point and point two. I think that the massive attack before the ceasefire was a mistake and generating a massive attack at this point here was a mistake.
I can see how in the US Trump and others were not happy. Trump agreed to help with the nukes in condition that it will speed up the end of the war. Not in order to escalate. Also he made large statements that indicated his success to both handle the nuclear problem and end the war. Nothing angers him more than making him look like an idiot.
So I dig and I agree. And yes I am very thankful and most Israelis are thankful aside for those who wanted to also go after their oil us crush their regime. But no one can tell what the People of Iran will do. Time will tell.
7. An angry call to Bibi caused Bibi to turn the jets back home with a small exception of a radar that they hit in some remote area.
So realize that we went through a tough day and the images of the building that was hit were hard to watch.
Realize that many of us are tired from the 12 days of sirens at nights over and over and many including me had explosions that shook their neighborhoods if not more than that. Also realize that Israel supports Bibi on this Operation that is called Rising Lion. Fore decades we live under the Iranian nuclear threat and a huge burden was lifted. We are not ungreatfull. Israel is now full of American flags. The Tel Aviv municipality had its windows with US flags. The walls of the old city with US flags. The Parliament with US flags. Bibi went to the Western Wall the day after the B2 s did their job and together with the rabbis read a special prayer for the peace and protection and thanks to Trump. It is quite emotional. I need to translate and post.
This is a “You can’t always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you get what you need”. 🙂
Yes with air superiority we could maybe crush them completely and because of their involvement in 10/7 many thought that we should , but we got what we need and more.
As to motives. I don’t know what is your perception but in my opinion and perception and knowledge, Bibi never intended for a long war. I saw the interviews. He is very clear about the objectives. He is a protector of Israel and not some evil satan who wants everything to burn as some in the Tucker / Candace group think. And yes some in the Israeli left generate that too.
Again myself and most of who I know are very grateful for Trump. In Israel Trump had 60-70% supply amongst the Jews. Tens of thousands of them voted for Trump in the US elections. Those who have US citizenship. Yes, it’s wrong that the can vote for the US elections but I wanted you to know that we love Trump. I don’t know if we could survive a Kamala Presidency. Trump will go into the history of the Jewish people as one of the people who helped save us and will be praised for generations to come.
I understand the concern of the American First about this whole thing. In my view we have a win win situation that can open the doors for better things to come. Like an expansion of the Abraham accord. But we need to resolve the Gaza war first. No one is going to join the Accord before it is resolved.
Shalom and God bless you for all the good that you’re doing.
PS. I had some sleep which helped to sounds more acceptable. 🙂
The one thing I disagree is about the option of negotiations with the Radical Islamic Regime who wants to eliminate us. I guess a ceasefire can be negotiated when they are losing. But not much more. I wish it was otherwise.
When will you come to Israel? You will love it. Americans are popular in Israel.
Typo: “In Israel Trump had 60-70% support amongst the Jews.” “Support”. Not “ supply”
David, thank you for well reasoned comments that speak from an honest perspective.
why do you say that, I think his cause that an apartment building was attacked with missiles and killed 4 or 5 people is a good cause for being angry with Iran as opposed to being angry with Israel. PDJT portrayed it as a single harmless missile. Also, I see no mention in your articles regarding the 12 hour time lag between a cease fire by Iran and a cease fire by Israel in the agreement schedule.
Also, I must say that I was very surprised by PDJT anger towards Israel when it was Iran who committed a war crime killing civilians after the cease fire was declared.
Trump probably told him how the cow eats the cabbage.
“Israeli official: Trump called Netanyahu and asked him not to attack Iran at all. Netanyahu told Trump that he could not cancel the attack and that some kind of response was needed to Iran’s violation of the ceasefire. Ultimately, it was decided to significantly scale down the attack and cancel the attack on a large number of targets…”
“Couldn’t” cancel the attack! BS!!! Just didn’t want to. Goes further to make me believe this was a false flag by Israel. Bibi wants our boots on the ground.
Netanyahu has wanted this war for over 30 years. He’s not going to give up that easily.
Asking chatGPT, how many missiles and rockets have been launched against Israel since 2020?
Answer: 69,990 projectiles have been fired against Israel by Iran and their proxies exclusively, and ONLY since 2020. “Bibi has wanted this war for over 30 years”. If I was a jew/Israeli living in this kind of fear for the past 30 years, I’d want revenge when I get the chance too. 70 thousand missiles in 5 years. 70,000 x 15yrs= 1.05 million missiles past 30 years approx. Give them some latitude, especially when they still have hostages with hamas.
That’s what I say….
Oh, NO! Objective, fact-based logic with a reasonable conclusion involving empathy, you MUST be some kind of Israel shill! [sarcastically, big time 🙂 ]
Thank you.
Trump accepted BB response to cut back the attack to a single radar installation, remember Trump accepted Irans attack on Qatar base because they gave a heads up too. David told you of his own experience with Irans breaking of the cease fire by attacking an apartment building and killing a family. Why didnt Trump get angry about that?
I am Israeli. You most definitly don’t understand the motives here.
We had a serious devastating attack in a civilian building. We were all watching TV and see bodies dug out of rubble.
We could swallow the bullet and intended to, because it was only a few minutes after the designated time.
Then 3.5 hours later we get two more missiles at a populated area. Fortunately there were no casualties because of interception etc…. At this point the people of Israel demand a response. Bibi is working for the people of Israel if you don’t know. Shalom.
What was a “false flag”. What offense did Israel committ that they pretended or intimated was done by Iran?
The key to the sequence you outlined is this, “In response to Iran’s violations, the Air Force destroyed a radar array near Tehran.”
Is that correct and was their “after the cease fire” action only that, and was that all that was done?
Yes. Only the radar was attacked after the ceasefire as a response to the violation. The plan was much larger but Trump stopped it.
what about the missile that killed a family in an apartment building.
Bernard. They fired it before the time and it landed after to the best of my knowledge. We were going to let go. But then more missiles arrived and that was demanding a response.
I agree a response was demanded. I don’t understand, if talking about bad faith, why PDJT didn’t direct anger towards Iran for killing the family in an apartment building after the cease fire was declared. Also, schedule was that Israel had 12 hours after Irans start of cease fire, so Israeli did not violate cease fire.
That sequences of events makes it perfectly clear why Trump is mad at Israel.
It’s like two children playing “You hit me last!”
When you destroy your enemies command and control (and we been hearing a lot of bragging about how Israel has done just that) you can’t really complain if your enemies lack command and control over their own forces.
Saying that they just fired two ballistic missiles a ton heavy missies by a mistake or lack of communication to the Commanders is an assumption. It could be and not likely.
So what happened at 3:00 AM for Israel to send retaliatory forces towards Iran.
It was not retaliatory. It was before the time of ceasefire. Israel had a checklist of targets and too a big one at 3:00 AM.
“The ceasefire was set for 7:00 a.m. At 3:00 a.m., Israel attacked forcefully in the heart of Tehran…”
My immediate reaction: Why?? Why attack Tehran four hours before the ceasefire? Did Israel not understand how such an attack might be considered another provocation? This is just in-your-face “We’re doing this because we can” crapola. No wonder our President is angry, and rightfully so!
It appears that folks here dont know that there have been thousands of cease fires where both sides try to get some ground by attacks before the deadline. There is rarely good faith involved in these cease fires. Israel has had their cease fires violated hundreds of times by their enemies. the one thing unmentioned is that after the declaration of a cease fire Iran fired missiles into an apartment building killing a family of 4 or five.
I am not saying that it’s right. Actually it was a mistake.
But Israel wanted to go through a checklist of targets to attack that had strategic value.
Israel chose a big one at 3:00 AM. It is usual in the Middle Wast that before a ceasefire each side is trying to increase damage to the enemy and make an optic of victory before the ceasefire. Once the Iranians hit the building and killed civilians they posted it with an image as a sign of victory. It is not unusual. In the US you don’t know it. I can give many examples.
Why did Iran attack and kill family after cease fire declared. Agreement was that Iran had to have 12 hours of cease fire before Israel’s ceasefire began.
David: Their minds will never be changed.
I think you are right, sometimes you just have to accept the reality of who you are dealing with.
Thank you Billrla! I am getting exhausted. I should back off for the sake of my own health. Thanks.
Thank you David for explaining.
We do know more and understand more for your efforts here, so it’s not been time wasted at all.
I’m encouraged that the airspace is beginning to open up, this seems like a positive sign- the most positive sign thus far– in that both sides are done and hopefully the ceasefire now holds.
I understood it was 5 persons killed by missiles attacking an apartment building, this was a clear war crime as Iran has intentionally attacking civilians. It was not one missile that mislanded, it was a missile barrage on civilians that took lives. I dont see why PDJT got upset with Israel in that circumstance.
I also understood the ceasefire agreement stipulated that Iran was to first cease fire immediately and then 12 hours later Israel was to cease fire. Odd as it is that was my reading of the agreement.
All these s talk about regime change needs to be applied to Netenyahu! He’s a bad man who cannot be trusted and , yes, the Gaza Atrocities need to be answered for.
I hope the people of Israel kick him to the curb! Maybe Trump can facilitate and expedite this potential via hard hitting sanction and defunding . The dangers are not just from the Iranian side , though there’s plenty of blame there too.
Hopefully the POTUS can disregard the splodey heads of SOME of the evangelicals powers who have been manipulated for years to think Israel leadership
(manifested via Netenyahu and his leadership cohorts) are doing God’s Positive Will. Take note Ted Cruz et al…
The Iranian diaspora wants regime change, as well.
Then the Diaspora can high tail it back to Iran and do it themselves
No Hamas bad, that attacked Israel, No Hezballah bad. Iran proxies both of them.
Israel curb stomped their asses for attacking them period.
When they chant death to Israel, did they think Israel would roll over and give up? Ha big frigging surprise.
They FA and FO period.
I agree with one thing
Bibbi has reached his shelf date.
When you poke a hornets nest, your protection had better be the best.
Remember when hamas slaughtered all those people, yes we all do. Israel’s spokesperson, a woman, said Israel will kill them all until there is no enemy and “ the world will turn against them.”
Israel is no different than Iran, they plan and build to kill the other, Israel has us, the USA to back them. My opinion really is nothing, but I would allow Israel to have a wide birth. I do not like the Muslim religion, it is a hiding place for people who hate. Jews also have a long way to go in terms of understanding Jesus but, the basic rule is not hate.
in my encounters a Christian Jew is exceptionally well educated about Jesus, the history is more intact.
This is years ago now, 28 actually. but I remember when we were meeting with a businessman from the Middle East and his wife, they had traveled here to the USA to close a few deals and we hosted a dinner for them.
They each could trace back their family lineage for over 1,000 years. They knew the details of offenses that happened to their family by other tribes in Syria, Libya, Persia, Egypt and what is now called Jordan. And, they spoke with such utter hatred and desire for vengeance for things that happened over 1,000 years ago.
I thought then how lucky we are in the United States as the people that came here to start anew all left those petty grievances behind, in the old countries where they came from.
I suspect there are many people in Israel that also have long memories and continue to keep the hatreds alive, though mostly one suspects the people of Israel basically want a safe place they can call home. Both sides, same ‘race’, enjoy, justify their existence even, by holding the grudges of past generations and then wonder why no one lives in a safe place.
I am so very glad that President Trump has removed the constant nattering talking point of “but Iran has nukes” – now, the ball really is in the hands of each and every Middle Eastern nation to write a new set of rules. Hopefully the first thing that happens is the setting aside of holding onto grudges, allow the dead to finally rest in peace so that the living can have their time in the sun.
They do not leave the “petty grievances” behind. Some come here to acquire wealth by any means in order to exact their revenge here or there. Some have a cloud of fear and lifelong misery and caution hanging over them that will take generations to lift off. The ones that refuse to hang with their countrymen who also immigrated do so for various reasons ranging from not knowing who in that group is the spy looking to retaliate for real or imagined crimes which may be a perceived thought crime or simply trying to be a full American and learn to embrace the culture that they intend to spend the rest of their lives in. I have watched people spend most of a lifetime before they feel safe being friends with the other refugees from their own homeland. We average Americans are muggles – blind to their concerns and therefore dangerous to them. Our carefree, carelessness and open confrontation- questioning is dangerous and we are disrespected because of our ignorance.
I can see how that also is; there are people, some in my family even, that take great pride in not having spoken to other parts of their family over some long forgotten tiff, sadly for some, they have died without ever finding a way to reconcile; so yes, do understand that part of human nature – but it’s time for both heirs of Abraham and the heirs of Ishmael to figure it out;
The world would appreciate that very much.
I think you are wrong about Israelis. They have wanted peace for too long and seem to believe that it can happen in spite of the depraved neighbors who keep trying to kill them.
Being wrong is always a present possibility; holding grudges for centuries is certainly not unique to any people, whether divided into race or nation;
and yet, may be why one of the first teachings of the Christ, Jesus, were about forgiveness, beginning with the simplest of prayer, the Our Father, and even with a mere 2,000 years since those days, people haven’t figured out how to make that a true part of their individual being, much less within families. Most likely because it requires actual work and actual wanting to change things. So, yeah, if they want to keep a 3,000+ year grudge alive, good for them. Just don’t expect the world to approve of it, or participate in it.
Israel did roll over. It took America to sort it out, but isn’t that why Bibi struck Iran first? He was evil and forced Trumps hand. Now Israel can shut up and start making peace before the rest of the world views it just like Iran!
“,..maybe Trump can facciltate this potential (regime cgange) via hard hitting sactions and defundiing,,..”
THATS exactky where USAID/CIIA monster came from, that kind of thinking.
How about “you want warmongers, keep your regime. But you will not sell one iota of product into rhe United States from your country ?
“the Gaza Atrocities need to be answered for.”
Why? Was there another way?
Do you know any other country other than the US that would have announced when their attacks would start and have given Gaza resident a chance to get out?
Further, at some point in their history, a people have to reject the leadership that continues to do things so awful the blowback hits THEM.
That’s just life.
I can’t blame Netenyahu for wanting to do all he can to drive the mullahs into oblivion, for not wanting to stop now. Neither can Trump blame him. He’d want to do the same thing.
To think of what the Palestinians could have had for decades but which they rejected over and over. Leadership? A gay wanderer diddling little boys in his tents at night? A succession of conmen who live in 4 and 5 star hotels, then pay them “visits” occasionally.
Refugee camps. Dirt. Tents. Using kids as shields. Living off “donations” from blackmailed countries not wanting them or the trouble they bring.
Give me an alternative to what was done. I’ll listen.
Do you know any other country other than the US that would have announced when their attacks would start and have given Gaza resident a chance to get out?
Well Israel has done that many times, and apparently Iran did on their response to the MOABs
I made clear that both Israel and the US do that.
Iran? Yep, having told the US and Qatar, “WE have to save face.”
Iran did it out of fear of reprisals but Israel is the only one who has done it to save enemy lives.
Yes, and they do not consider many of the civilian population enemies.
I believe the Israelis will do it. They are sick of Bibi
He’s very popular right now. That can, however, change in a minute. The Israelis bounce back and forth between hard liners and appeasers.
Sorry friend, you have the typical mockingbird media’s wishful thinking installed “understanding” of Israeli domestic politics.
Bibi’s position in Israel is stronger by far than VSGPDJT’s position was in the US even in 2016.
Bibi faces lawfare in Israel that, objectively, would crush or corrupt ten Donald Trumps, and faces the same type of perverse, degenerate deep-state/IC meddling and control like President Trump faces, but far worse.
All of the other competitive politicians in Israel are known as weak, corrupt, feeble-minded losers by the vast majority of voters, despite the perception desperately propagated by the deep-state media organs.
The only way Bibi loses is either a very popular, God-fearing, nationalistic person comes out of nowhere, or the US deep-state and their globohomo partners like those “neocon Israel first” pervert special interest groups one of the posters on here keeps bringing up [I know, it’s confusing, but that’s another story that no one seems to know or care about], steals the elections like the Clintons did when Ehud Barak [Epstein’s pal] ran against Bibi and managed to be Prime Minister for a short while until his phony government collapsed.
Right. Are you Israeli? I am impressed. .
“Bibi faces lawfare in Israel that, objectively, would crush or corrupt ten Donald Trumps,”
I like your comment, yet can’t agree with this objectively or any anyway even remotely. Impeachments, endless law fare, many attempts to jail, assassination attempts, hostile press conferences beyond any parody, media attaks and lies that are relentless, assault and jailing of acquaintances and followers. Tell me how the Israeli attacks on Bibi are greatly worse and would crush ten Donald Trumps.
Bibi just led to the resolution of the Iranian nuclear threat. This raises his popularity significantly.
He is getting old and not so health and he has a legal case so there are potential reasons for him to not run. But I wouldn’t count on it.
Well, we do know Netanyahu purposely looked the other way knowing full well Hamas was planning on attacking Israel.
1200 dead or more were simply “collateral damage.”
Actually he was not informed courtesy of the Derp State of Israel.
My understanding is that the director of the Shin Bet knew about the attack plan but did not notify the Prime Minister.
How do “we” know this?
Shame on you.
Such a badass, please please please 5 more TERMS
Bibi, too!
Bibi will have to face trial first. I think we will see him going to prison.
He’s already been facing trial for quite a few years, on objectively trumped up, ridiculous nonsense charges, convicted of none.
Sounds familiar? Like those turds who love to tout how VSGPDJT was “convicted of 34 felony charges”, right?
With all due respect, what you see is not so simple as you describe here. As if Netanyahu is cut from the same cloth as President Trump?
I think, perhaps, you may have missed some important actual history, along with a few subtle hints about where the revolution taking place here in the USA is headed.
But maybe you are right. We will have to wait and see.
Either way, I know this to be a fact: the Anti-Christ will rise just as God’s prophet, John, wrote in the Book of Revelation. I don’t claim to know exactly where we are in that process, but I think we are getting closer by the day. May God be with you, friend.
I didn’t mean to be disrespectful in my answer, I was just trying to point out the genuine similarities between Netanyahu’s and President Trump’s situations and standings with each of their significant constituencies in each of their countries.
Nor did I. We were engaging in a heated topic, and typing out our views is really not quite the same as cordially speaking face to face over a glass of Iced tea. Misunderstanding is bound to be more prevalent with long distance key poking exchanges.
I value and enjoy interactions with folks who have different points of view than mine. I believe such exchanges are important, and therefore welcomed.
No offense taken.
Same here 🙂
Holy Cats! President Trump dropped the F BOMB!
MAGA 👊👊🇺🇸🇺🇸🙏🏻🙏🏻❤️❤️
After his Monday accomplishment, he’s allowed!
Our lovely FLOTUS will no doubt chastise him…she seems to have little patience for social snafus…
Or…she’ll shake her head, chuckle, and grin while thinking; “that’s what you get when you press my husband too far.”
I think he is very tired at this point.
Tired, overworked and ANGRY! I don’t blame him.
Did you catch the remaining cadre that repeated it after he went to the chopper?That’s my POTUS!
And now, all the MSM is clutching their pearls, focused on “Trump dropped the F-Bomb,” and won’t be able to resist the temptation of playing the clip, thus defanging all the “Trump is a slave to AIPAC/Israel/Bibi” nonsense they’ve been hurling at him. Otherwise, President Trump’s reaction would probably never have seen the light of day, except on alternate news sites.
Our POTUS is a VSPG indeed!
I’m not worried about the war crowd their ideas are abhorrent to Trump. He’s a peace maker. You must not have been following Trump for very long if you think otherwise. This is what happens sometimes when a person only supports Trump because an influencer tells them to. Then because they do not know Trump’s record an influencer can then tell them Trump can be is used by bad actors and they believe it.
The ones I hate are those trying to paint him as a war monger neocon whenever he handles Foreign affairs matters like Iran’s nukes. They don’t want him involved in some foreign affairs so they lie and say his voters only want him interested in “America First” projects at home and accuse him of neglecting those to foment war with Iran. They’re deliberately trying to take away Trump’s supporters using scare tactics and lies. Some of them have even accused Trump of being another Bush.
And then reality plays out and those “influencers” and Congress critters start scrambling to find more narratives to generate. And others, keep their 15 mins of not so good fame going, like Padilla.
Ah, now this makes sense. All gamed out.
I was surprised that President Trump bombed Iran. I thought he was going to continue to let Israel do the bombing and have Bibi come out looking like the bad guy.
I figured it was being teed up to be Bibi’s coming out party, his removal party.
Maybe it’s a multi-stepped process to remove Bibi. That’s how it’s seems to be shaping up.
Israel will survive and thrive. Their current leadership? Not so much.
President Trump was right about everything. Let’s see what happens.
He publicly defused the AIPAC wing of our government by “taking out the nukes” and brokered a ceasefire. Israel continuing to attack kills any leverage they had entirely. Our deadbeat politicians can’t run cover for them any longer without provoking a bigger outcry from the electorate and further exposes their pawns in social media. So Trump comes out of this looking strong and reasonable, whereas Israel comes across as bloodthirsty and unreasonable along with anybody that keeps vouching for them.
Best thing was exposing the AIPAC stooges in the social media sphere which will prevent a longer term split within the MAGA base.
same goes to -Z………
Israel did not have the proper bombs to accomplish that and no way do we hand over those things to someone else.
Even if they had the weapons, Israel doesn’t have aircraft big enough to carry them.
Only the B-52 Stratofortress and the B-2 Spirit have that capability.
Not sure that’s entirely accurate
Yeah, only the B2 can carry and drop them, the B52 is no good for it.
I believe that Lindsey Graham and Mark Levin and the other Neocons have told Bibi not to pay attention to President Trump and continue the war. They probably told Israel they have their backs. Prove me wrong in my assumption.
If something is not done about Graham and his gang (which includes Democrats) and their potential treasonous activities like arming Alquada in Iraq and Syria before they turned into ISIS, who then killed and maimed thousands of our military personnel, we are going to go downhill and become a failed state. Not of course to mention how Lindsey and his pals are sabotaging any efforts by our Commander in Chief to bring an end to the Ukraine war.
It is up to the new Administration to take these people to task for undermining the safety of our citizens. I am absolutely sure there has to be some legal remedy. The question is, do they have the guts to do it? If we had a loyal intelligence community we would have proof of their irresponsible behavior to enable that to happen. Sadly I not so sure we do.
All that being said, why has President Trump endorsed Lindsey Graham for re-election?
We have a good challenger to Graham in the primary but the President has already come out with his support for the treasonous Graham.
He needs all the senators he can get until the BBB is approved, reconciled, and signed. Then he has freedom to do what is necessary
So at that time he is free, without being hypocritical to withdraw his endorsement?
I would imagine the players would get wise to the ruse. I support you for your vote, then all bets are off.
I pray it works for our President, who does need every vote.
Trump doesn’t act or react on our timeline and why should he. Why would he start a fight with Graham in the middle of brokering a ceasefire between Iran and Israel?
President Trump could remain silent and not endorse at this time. The election is more than two years in the future. This endorsement came months ago.
Why so hasty knowing what everyone knows about Graham’s Uniparty collusion?
PDJT’s silence could have forced Graham to toe the line hoping to gain the President’s support.
And he’s called him “his friend” many times. Even saying graham has his back and we just don’t know. President Trump is very right about me not knowing or understanding his support of graham.
Because Graham always votes for worse cabinet and judicial nominees no matter which party is in power. LOL
Obviously he has some kind leverage over Trump.
Cue the ” bad advice” apologist……..
Perhaps President Trump will change his mind and shut the war pigs down.
When is enough enough? Does it take the whole world to be on fire? Lindsey Graham should understand there will be no commerce in hell.
Doesn’t compute. Did not VSGPDJT just loudly and publicly shut them all down, including Bibi, and then rammed an “F-Bomb” in to the mix, loudly, as the cherry on top?
Indeed! Even so, do you think they will just lay down without a fight? I certainly don’t. There is simply too much at stake. Trillions, actually.
In my opinion, exactly because there are indeed trillions and more [not just money] at stake, they will lay down without a fight, unless or until something [some interest or other] succeeds in sabotaging the current process.
President Trump has allowed Iran to freely export oil to China, for example, conditioned upon them not causing trouble – astonishingly resulting in China warning Iran publicly not to cause more troubles, that’s the kind of things I’m talking about as to why both sides will abide.
Bullseye 🎯!
“I believe that Lindsey Graham and Mark Levin and the other Neocons have told Bibi not to pay attention to President Trump and continue the war.”
Just like Ukraine
When did Mark Levine become Emperor of the World
Good question. Mark Levin brags every night on his radio program about his close relationship with the President and how he and his wife have been entertained for dinner at the White House. In 2016, Levin hated Trump. Now Levin is calling anyone who disagrees with Trump on the Iran issue or the BBB, idiots. He has been particularly brutal about MTG.
Not up to anyone to prove your SPECULATIONS wrong.
Up to you to PROVE your speculation correct 😎
“Eff you see kay” Miss Lindsey!
So, cut Israel off, then.
Most of the power structure of the globe is probably salivating at the profit they will make and the rest of us, the muggles, the chumps, the deplorables within whom the real aspects of humanity resides are either horrified and fear what is to come or so fatigued by these cousins fighting that they could care less if both nations get bombed into oblivion. My opinion isn’t in here. I’ve been hearing anti-Jewish mutterings my entire life including from every so-called minority in this nation.
To the protestors including students doing damage to our country:
GO HOME! GET! SCRAM! Go protest in your own country
JUST GET OUT OF AMERICA.
No advertising. Only to understand the opponent.
The Book of Tricks: Arab Political Strategy
August 1, 1991 by René Khawam (Author) – Amazon.
Recommended for CIA analysts, journalists, politicians and presidential advisors.
This book, written a hundred years before Machiavelli, is – in its own way, not the least entertaining – the best response to the astonished Westerners who are discovering today, with a stupefaction that hardly excuses their scandalous ignorance, the extraordinary political skill of the leaders of the Muslim world: ministers mandated by the oil powers, desert emirs at the head of fortunes worth thousands of millions of dollars, spokesmen for “poor” countries determined to take their revenge at the expense of the “rich” countries that exploited them in the first place? Everyone feigns surprise: “It didn’t take them long to learn. “Wrong: ”They knew” and had known for a long time. This is amply demonstrated by the present collection, discovered and published by René R. Khawam in 1976 and now considered a classic. Not an abstract essay (the Arab imagination is averse to that), but a fine fabric of colorful stories whose lessons, visible or hidden, interweave like so many ingeniously arranged threads. For our edification. And for our wonder.
What did Israel target? Maybe they overreacted. But it’s not like they haven’t been screwed before. I don’t necessarily blame them when faced with an ancient maniacal enemy that IMMEDIATELY breaks yet another agreement. And it could be that PDJT doesn’t either, but is establishing distance between the US and the presumption of further support? Plausible deniability. Time will tell.
As most of the Iranian government officials and hierarchy have either left the country, are in hiding, or have been killed, it might be interesting to ascertain who is making these agreements with the US. The Ayatollah Khamenei is in. Hiding and only in contact with a small handful of his officers. There is no confirmation that he approved (or is even aware of) any agreement.
No one is glossing over anything.
The US took out their nukes for you so what defensive war of survival are you now talking about ?
Did we do this is in the hopes there would be peace in the region? I’m sure there were plenty of discussions with Israel prior to the bombing of the nuclear sites. And it is obvious that the US was not interested in a prolonged war of regime change.
Israel must have informed Trump there would be a ceasefire, they would try for some kind of peace and then they went back on their word.
The only reason Trump would be this furious.
BS call on trump. ten million people need to run to shelters every time Iran launches one missile, which has been a daily occurrence. they are living under a cloud of terror. not reasonable to expect them not to respond, especially when they declared at the time of acceptance of the ceasefire that they reserve the right to respond to iranian violations.
Ahhhhhh, one of Irans rockets hit an apartment building
I would recommend that everyone, including Sundance, listen to this, to understand the Iranian/Islamic world view a bit more. There is something very interesting about understanding their view of martyrdom:
Post 9/11 redux
The problem with that theory is that the Shia Twelver Sodomocracy, is not best friends with the Poppy Bush family and never was CIA trained and funded to fight the Russians in Afghanistan…
Yet the Sodomocracy was installed by Jimmy Peanuts and the CIA after they needed a worse bogyman in there than the Shah who they installed some 25 years earlier…
So yeah, actually, to paraphrase VSGPDJT, “Fukkem all”.
About the Mossadegh affair:
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/cia-coup-in-iran-that-never-was-mossadegh
Thanks very much for that informative article, which includes a wealth of buried truth.
It’s even worse than my comment indicated, the Shia Twelver Sodomocracy is the ultimate globohomo construct.
Sometimes you really need an expletive deleted, to draw attention to, lend seriousness to or just get people to pay attention to what you are saying.
THIS was one of those times, and may well be historic first intentional use of the F bomb by a sitting POTUS.
Fully justified.
Yes completely justified
Exactly!
What did the F bomb do?
It ensured EVERYONE will hear his comment about not being happy with Israel right now.
The F bomb ensures his message will go viral.
The only thing missing was the music cued up to when he turned and walked to Marine One.
“Many men, many many many men wish death on me. Many men…”
In all honesty he said he is not happy with either of them. It seems he is laying the heavier burden on Israel and for good reason. They asked him to take out the nuclear sites. He did. He has always said two things – Iran cannot have nukes and he wants he fighting to stop. He took out the nukes to get the fighting to stop, but they still want to fight.
He is justifiably fed up.
He’s not the only one who’s fed up. If they want to fight to the death, I say have at it and leave us out.
“We have TWO countries…”
We all knew one of the countries, Iran, was enough of a problem/threat that President Trump took decisive action against them. Iran’s status was not in dispute.
What message was sent here? It was directed squarely at Israel. TWO countries that don’t know what the…they are doing.
The TWO countries were placed in the same status. Being placed in the same status as a country you just “Bombed the s#it out of” is not a good place to be.
Israel’s status is now in dispute.
Very well said! I give you 2 thumbs up.
There is no other word that says “I am seriously very pissed off right now” like the F word.
This is what he was trying to convey.. (is my feeling)
And everyone hyperventilating about it use the F word every day.
“Oh, ffs”, LOL 🙂
I used to lean in favor of the “movie script” version of reality where there are messages within the actions and all that. But it’s all “conspiracy theory” stuff too often and primarily consisting of imagination focused on limited possibilities. So lately I try to focus more on the facts and a more pedestrian point of view.
So I didn’t want to buy into the “Iran fired the same number of missiles as the bunker buster bombs in ‘retaliation’ but also giving heads up to both the US and to Qatar” as representing a signal to end hostilities. It’s a pretty cool way to communicate while appeasing your domestic supporters in Iran. Real “Red October” type stuff. And that appears to have been the case.
And with Israel playing the “oh we have freedom to attack right up until the deadline” is a BS way to view the agreement. The deadline is about getting the word out to operators out there in various locations to pull back and to allow non-radio communications to occur. NOT to suggest as “grand finale fireworks show” at the end of it. I don’t want to call it childish but can you think of a better word? “Legalistic?”
It took me a little while to get beyond my own immediate concerns about the US potentially going into war with teenage boys being drafted. I don’t want to see it. But once that fog has cleared with the cease fire agreement, I was easily able to see that Trump’s move to attack the Iran sites was EXACTLY “removing Israel’s justifications.”
Trump’s a smart and wise man. I never thought otherwise but I was very much questioning what happened. It would be nice if Trump announced in plain language why he did it. But at the same time, I can understand why he didn’t.
Reinhard,
responding to three people killed by Iranians violation is not legalistic.
If it is not legalistic, then this could go on forever without a resolution.
Israel has had a tremendous success in attacking Iran the past 10 days, and now the US has destroyed the Iranian nuke sites.
It is definitely legalistic considering how favorable the outcome has been for Israel the past few days.
go to moonofalabama.org for current update of war……
All I can say, since its all above my paygrade….those must have been some interesting conversations up at Camp David.
It looks like someone forgot that the ceasefire agreement states that Iran must ceasefire and then 12 hours later Israel must cease fire. Also, Israel clearly stated that ANY violations will bring response. That’s because Israel is used to ceasefires being violated. In Islam all treaties and truces with infidels are considered temporary, Hudnas.
“In Islam all treaties and truces with infidels are considered temporary, Hudnas.”
Interesting you say that. The Talmud permits business deception. It is reasonable interpretation, from reading the Talmud, that deception in business dealings with gentiles is permitted. In other areas the Talmud prohibits Jews from resorting to gentile courts for resolving disputes, even if the rulings are aligned with Israeli policies, as this would subject Jews to the authority of gentile laws.
I am tired of the monolithic statements against the entire Middle East Arab and Persian populations. It goes both ways. I want peace full stop. If Israel can’t deescalate then they go it alone.
You make an excellent point about the Talmud. I once held to the idea the Israel could do no wrong. Thankfully, my eyes were opened by studying Christian history and also reading about the Talmud. People really need to know what it says to understand what we are truly dealing with when it comes to Israel.
“The Other Israel” documentary is an eye opener on this, and really shows that the Pharisee mindset is still around:
This starts with a lie continues with lies and ends with lies.
What a bunch of antisemite Nazi bunch of lies. Shame on you.
Literally everything in this video is false. I don’t even have a place to begin.
Maybe 10-15 Precent in Israel ever read from Talmud it is almost a hundred books.
Leaders of Israel never read Talmud, My family never did none of my friends in 6o years never read Talmud.
And it is probably a 100 books and what this film is showing is out of context according to religious people and not something that anyone believes in and follows.
Israel was peaceful before the Zionists? What a joke. Thousands of years of wars on those lands.
Are you a KKK or Nazi? Or just an advocate of them?
May God help you.
Thank you David. I am so tired of people trying to blame everything wrong in the world on the Jewish people living today in Israel primarily. People I respect, who seem to be intelligent and educated, just fall apart when Israel is mentioned. I have tried to understand why they ‘feel’ Israel is responsible for every ill, while holding the feeling Isam is oppressed. I just have to have a litttle distance from such persons because their judgement is faulty.
Reinhard,
stop profaning and culturally appropriating the Jewish name Joseph
And the Christian Bible has somewhere in its midst, a chastisement of false ‘weights and measures’…And the ‘Big Ten’….’Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor’…
Interesting times, indeed.
This film is an antisemite bunch of lies. I don’t even know where to start.
A friend gave me a book like that film. It was so bad I did not know what to say. I researched the author and publisher and just found garbage. I gave it back to her but I still did not know what to say. It was appalling.
“This film is antisemite bunch of lies.” “I don’t even know where to begin.” is exactly how I felt about that book.
Understood
Was the book The Protocols of the Elders of Zion?
Well said Old Joe
You are correct, This has been the case for decades, Israel gets attacked and rtaliates, and gets blamed. Iran broke the cease fire before the ink was dry, yet Trump blames Israel 7th
https://x.com/MPPregent/status/1937435139069411556
Qatar is not an honest broker. Qatar wants to give the Iranian regime a lifeline. Iran broke the ceasefire multiple times and Israelis died.
Israel is not the aggressor in this war. Anyone who thinks so might want to remember that on the 7th of October, Israel had a ceasefire with Hamas which Hamas broke by massacring over one thousand Israelis, many young people at a music concert, many people on kibbutzim that were for PEACE WITH GAZA, etc. The government of Israel and the Israeli military had to defend Israel against Hamas.
Israel had a ceasefire with Hezbollah but Hezbollah broke that ceasefire on the 8th of October and bombed Israel with missile after missile until Israel worked to dismantle that threat. Hezbollah is much decapitated, but still is a threat to Israel which Israel has to take seriously.
The Iranian regime threatened to use its nuclear weapon to wipe Israel off the map and was within days or weeks of doing so, so the nuclear threat had to end.
The US under Trump helped Israel and the world by attacking the remaining nuclear sites.
But Trump has for some reason started blaming Israel, when Israel was the one attacked by Iran despite the ceasefire.
Here is the reality in the Middle East that many may not know: A terrorist regime cannot be negotiated with. They will just pocket the concessions while they continue their terror. The current regime in Iran has no interest in peace, and can never be a partner for peace. So despite Trump saying it wants to negotiate with them, these are people that will slit your throat while you negotiate with them.
Israel lives in this reality. Israel cannot afford WISHFUL THINKING about the Iranian regime. That does not make Israel the aggressor. Israel is the realist here. For some reason Trump has stopped being a realist in this situation by appeasing the genocidal terrorists in Iran. Maybe this is a kayfabe, but Trump is no fool. He knows what he is doing.
That is why I would like to ask all of you here who think it’s great to blame the government of Israel as if the government of Israel is the most evil on earth, where do you get these ideas? Where do you get that information? On what do you base your claims that the government of Israel is the aggressor?
I’m speaking to all of you here who have been quick to pounce on Israel, including Sundance. Show everyone here the basis for your claims that the government of Israel is the aggressor. I haven’t seen anyone here, including Sundance delineate the facts that substantiate the claim that the government of Israel is the aggressor.
So you appease Iran by dropping bunker buster missiles on their nuclear facilities?
Do you take a moment to listen to what you write? No one has called Israel the aggressor.
There is something else going on here that has truly pissed the President off, most likely something that Israel had promised Trump if we took out their nuke sites.
That is the only reasonable explanation.
At the end of the day, the issue of looking at this like YOU are a player and making rational choices based on a objective chessboard is that The United States is NOT Israel. There is only so far you can take continued action by a party that is , in realistic terms, not that threatened by the “evil party” (Us by Iran). Especially after the nuclear position has been taken out.
The American people don’t live their lives playing an objective RISK style board game. They simply don’t want to keep spending time, energy, political capital, news cycles, money, weapons, etc. on another country… even a “staunch ally.” There is a limit. There is always a limit. The general sense is we’ve gone more than above and beyond in supporting the Israeli state. But the sentiment to the layman is “it is never enough.”
At this point, they are actively getting in the way of PDJT’s vision for the middle-east; both from an economical and peace perspective. You can retort with “but this happened, then that happened, so it is all “within the rules.” But again, this isn’t just an objective RISK game. “Right or wrong” that simply isn’t the only thing that matters; the public perception does.
Israel always seems to want everything to be “perfect” and potrays an attitude that is 100% the opposite of looking for “optimal solutions.” The way they come off is “Everything always has to be perfect” or we will stir up trouble for any American administration.
Again, sometimes even if you are “right” ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. We are talking about human beings all around. We are not computer code.
AMERICA FIRST
“But Trump has for some reason started blaming Israel, when Israel was the one attacked by Iran despite the ceasefire.”
Please, if you are going to make that argument use the exact quote from the presser where President Trump “started blaming Israel”.
Oh, and by the way its PRESIDENT Trump.
No, Israel attacked Iran when it did to take advantage of the domestic political situation in America, specifically the BBB. They knew they’d have Trump over a barrel now … but perhaps not in a month from now.
You can’t really say the attack was retaliation for Oct 7th when it took place nearly two years later. And Iran has been within days or weeks of having nukes for decades now.
Sundance should publish the cease fire terms because there is an unusual term whereby Iran must cease fire first and 12 hours later Israel must cease fire. The discussion is becoming a he said she said gossip column.
You guys are acting like this isn’t par for the course with ALL CEASEFIRES!
Yes. The terms that Pres. Trump announced on Truth Social were confusing.
reposting because my earlier comment seems to have vanished. wonder why:
BS call on trump. ten million people need to run to shelters every time Iran launches one missile, which has been a daily occurrence. they are living under a cloud of terror. not reasonable to expect them not to respond, especially when they declared at the time of acceptance of the ceasefire that they reserve the right to respond to iranian violations.
And the US has destroyed Iran’s nuclear facilities.
Israel obviously gave promises to Trump if he committed the US forces like he did in this destruction of their nuke sites.
When the US gets this involved in the hopes for peace, then Israel should try harder for a true ceasefire. There is a reason Trump is so pissed.
the FACTS can be termed obvious. your OPINIONS cannot
Yep, as long as you live by the same rules.
okay. I will not use the word obvious as you did when associating it with an opinion. fixed?
They (all involved) are like children in a playground, “he hit me first, no it was you, no it wasn’t, it was you”.
I’m waiting for the headmaster to step in and say, “OK, if you do not sort this out peacfully I’m going to put you both in the ring with gloves on, or off, make your choice”.
The winner is the one that can see the stupidity of the the whole event and apologises.
A question may well be, who invented religion and why. Was it just to keep tensions going. After all, tribal gods invented by man has no other reason but to fight each other to carry on the mess they made in the first place by ignoring God.
What was it Jesus said? Do not make a false idol out of Me, God. So they all put Jesus up on a cross and made a faslse idol out of jesus the man and put God in the backgroud way over there somewhere, lol.
This ends when the insane muslims stop trying to kill every Jew on the planet. No further discussion needed.
New York is getting ready to elect a foreign born (Uganda) muslim self avowed “socialist” as mayor. We are committing suicide by ignoring the jihad within our own country.
Robert Spencer warned us of this, 20+ years ago. Mr. Spencer is a convert to Christianity, from Islam.
Yes I used to follow both Spencer and Pam Geller back when Teh Lightbringer was running for POTUS–Thank our Lord for keeping them safe in Garland Texas-a planned elimination by the Clowns that failed.
Elimination by clowns set up to succeed by our FBI.
We have been ignoring the insidious propaganda against Judaism in favor of Islam since the 1960’s.. There is a reason Anwar Alawaki (Yemen) was born in New Mexico to a father studying agriculture at the University of New Mexico.
Muslim is not a religion, it’s a cult! Don’t lose sight of that concept!
Well that would require the end of the world because Satan isn’t looking for those attacks to end.
Ezekiel 38!
Very likely the next big prophetic event the world will see. By letting Iran off the hook, the mullah scum live for another day. Iran (Persia) is a major player in the Prophecy, along with Turkey, Russia, Ethiopia, Libya and what is now Sudan.
I would have loved to have seen the mullah scum completely eradicated and the Iranian people free of the tyrannical insanity the mullah scum has wrought. Apparently it is not to be. It appears that now Israel may be able to say it will be living in “peace” and “safety”, per Ezek. 38 – it remains to be seen.
When GOD pulls the trigger on His timeclock, Israel, Russia along with the Islamic Hordes invade Israel, but the West does nothing other than issue a protest (“Have you come to take the spoils?”). The US does not come to Israel’s aid, for reasons unknown. GOD Himself wipes out the invading hordes, so that the world will fully know He is Jehovah GOD.
Very well said.
You may want to re-read and actually STUDY the Bible.
The Scofielders are many.
try in its original language
You are barking up the wrong tree.
So, enlighten us….
Barking up the wrong tree.
Still waiting for the enlightenment….
That you can merely rely on a silly refrain speaks volumes…
Sir/Madam. I am not a Bible teacher/scholar/preacher. God has blessed my life with many who have demonstrated the humility and ability to rightly handle His word. I listen to them. I read and study for myself. I am not interested in coming on the internet and using God’s holy word as a battering ram. I love and respect God’s and His word too much for that.
Farewell.
Umm…no. I’ve spent several years studying eschatology in courses offered by master scholars.
Please enlighten me with your purported understanding of Ezek. 38 & 39.
Acts 3
If you want to know REAL PROPHECY visit the May 15th Prophecy here is a video portion of it and you can visit the links
Oh brother. 🙄
Many people think that the USA is the “Babylon” that falls in the book of Revelation (which explains the USA absence in the end times).
It is interesting that the name of the US operation of the taking out the 4 nuke sites was called “Midnight Hammer”.
See Jeremiah 50 that refers to “Babylon’s” fall, and it’s reference to it as the “hammer of the whole earth” …. which certainly describes the US military industrial complex who, like a nail, never saw a war it didn’t like or look for.
“How is the hammer of the whole earth cut asunder and broken! how is Babylon become a desolation among the nations!” — Jeremiah 50:23
This ends when insane muslims stop trying to kill every Jew on the planet. Stop killing Jews they stop kill you.
And every other infidel the insane muzzlems try to kill all the time
If you’re a Christian you should know this won’t stop. It doesn’t stop till the very end of it all.
Netanyahu made the big splash a week or so ago in American media by talking about Iran trying to assassinate Trump. Big deal, join the party. Most of the “leaders” of western Europe and certainly these EU globalists would love to see Trump in a box. Add-in Canada, Mexico, and China for grins. I also believe Israel sees Trump as a big problem. They tried to bait him into war and he stuck it up their dupas. With friends like this, who needs enemies?
Trump’s biggest threat on his life comes from his own government grooming nutjob patsies and then positioning them to take a shot. We saw it pretty clearly last summer. Those people had lotsa government agent help. More stuff we will never get the truth about…..
Israel, even though it is an ally, has quite the checkered past
your comment was better in its original german
Quit with your utter rubbish. Anti-semitism/Nazi all now belong under the heading of “Godwin’s Law”.
Israel is not innocent, and when they commit sh**, they should be called out!
I am calling Israel out: Thank you, Israel! You did a great job destroying Hamas, Hezbollah and paving the way for the US to drop those big beautiful bombs on the Iranian terrorist nuclear sites. You are a great friend and ally to the US.
lol even Godwin came up with exceptions.
there’s a reason Jesus called people like you mere dogs
More importantly Netanyahu isn’t innocent and he should be called out.
I thought it was strange that the cease fire was set for a future time. Like 6 hrs or 12 hrs later. If they’ve agreed to stop fighting, what is so hard about communicating with any pilots or soldiers are in field, and telling them to stop now?
I would also think they would have set a pause if cease fire negotiations were ongoing. I think SD said the timing of PDJT’s announcement caused the UN to have to do something (like acknowledge the cease fire agreement or something)? So, maybe the announcement was rushed?
As President Trump said, like a father to children who are in the back seat of the car on a road trip poking each other, and dad has just laid down the law of ‘knock it off’ – he said, referencing the time delay, “they need to get it out of their systems.”
YES! Way to go President Trump!
I can understand the Presidents frustration.
Wars and fighting eachother is a lifestyle that is part of the culture in that part of the world.
Like a miserable married couple that bickers so much that no one can stand to be around their dysfunction, so too is the Middle East !!
They know no other way and this lifestyle is so engrained in these people that it’s not only their normal, they cannot even truly process, or envision another way, they simply cannot, the capacity to do so is not there- period.
It seems like the rest of the civilized world has lost so much blood, treasure and time trying to educate them forward, trying to mediate, negotiate, problem solve, but we’re dealing with what can only be seen as incurable mental illness at this point.. I see no other way to describe this.
It’s as though we’re dealing with the debilitating limits that a person with an incurable disease has..
If Donald Trump cannot solve this, then we need to view the entire situation as what I’ve described and isolate ourselves from these people to the utmost degree that this is possible in a game changing new way- just as we do the toxic people in our lives- we stay away from them.
We can clearly see right now why so many nations over there that somewhat have themselves together refuse to then take in people from these failed countries in constant states of attacking others.
We’re learning a lot right now and it’s ugly truth, it’s bitter pills, but yet here we are, faced with choking it all down and then trying to find the path forward for our own selves.
“We can clearly see right now why so many nations over there that somewhat have themselves together refuse to then take in people from these failed countries in constant states of attacking others.”
We definitely need to stop bringing the jihadists here. They are bad news wherever they congregate.
That’s My President!
Don’t make me pull this car over and come back there and clunk both your heads together!!!
I thought it was only my mother that said this?
My HS bus driver did that when we were out of control…only just pulled the bus over and let us sit…in the afternoon Panama heat…he would let us sit a bit longer, to make a point, even after we settled down…those school buses were not air conditioned…we learned fast.
A few thoughts, some of which will be shot down (pun intended) by some commenters here, but it’s worth the test flight.
Wondering if people on CTH can give some credit here. Israel’s armed forces and military intelligence accomplished things in Iran that most military people around the world could only dream of. Or, if not dream of, then from which one could make a suspend-your-disbelief Hollywood blockbuster. I’d like to think there are enough military personnel on these comment pages who can appreciate and compliment the job.
Next, PDJT got everything he could have imagined. He got rid of much of Iran’s nuclear program. Obviously, he would not have gone to such lengths to drop those bombs unless he had very credible evidence that the threat to US interests was real. (Also, maybe some credit to Israel intelligence to back up what the IAEA had brought to light over a year ago, and maybe some credit to Israel for clearing out any anti-aircraft defenses). After mission accomplished, PDJT got out and declared peace, knowing that both sides have to listen.
Here are some concerns, however. It basically depends how one views Islam in general and Iran in particular. PDJT is talking like a league commissioner who just watched two great sports teams battle into the 7th game. Or like a father who just refereed a bruhaha between his sons. “Okay, kids, that’s enough! Good fight! I know, I know, he got the last one in, but I said that’s it! Enough!”
Unfortunately, it’s not like that in real life. Islam has a clearly stated goal to take over the world and kill the infidels who don’t submit. Has been that way for 1300 years. Since Iran was not pounded to submission — unconditional surrender, to quote one of PDJT’s posts — they will be back, bigger and badder than ever, the Lord help us. They still have hundreds or even thousands of missiles, and we’re still not clear if they’ve got their uranium hidden away. And it’s not too long to rebuild factories and launchers and centrifuges. I wonder if people on this site are truly aware of the capacity the Muslems have to hate. And how much they love violence. And that they don’t just hate Israel and the Jews. They’re just as keen on coming after the Christian (and not-so-Christian, Liberal-heathen) West.
(People like “Son of Hamas,” Moseb Hassan Yousef, who grew up in Hamas (his father was a co-founder), can tell you all about their world and world-view. There are hundreds of others who can do so as well.)
Plus, China and Russia might be lining up to help them. I hope and pray that PDJT has his art of the deal mojo with Putin, but that’s not so clear to me.
Like it or not, Israel created the reality that they could pummel Iran to submission or destruction. They never asked for US boots on the ground. They asked for help with the nuclear sites, which as I said above, dovetailed with PDJT’s interests. I’m not sure I understand why PDJT can’t just step back out to the side (as a solid supporter) and let Israel help finish the job to make the world a safer place (and CTH readers can get out their popcorn). This is also in the US’s interest. I’m not sure that Iran stopping the flow of oil or blocking the straits of Hormuz are good enough reasons to stop the action. I don’t think Iran has the military ability to maintain a blockade, and the US doesn’t get oil from Iran. Plus, I think the Saudis have been lined up as an insurance policy to keep world oil prices under control. China might suffer from an Iran oil problem, but I would think that would be leverage for PDJT’s art of the deal with them.
Iran still standing as a Islamic theocracy augurs not well for us.
It would have been much better if the regime would have augured in.
I guess time will tell.
My pragmatic guess to why PDJT is in preference of a Peace Deal and negotiation is, because he will have triggers in the deal that will lead to the Iranian people getting a chance to remove the Satanic Mullahs from leadership on their own accord. He’s a pretty damn smart and clever deal maker. I don’t think this is anything like trying to make a deal with Hitler, as Levin keeps trying to push.
If everyone thought like President Donald John Trump, the world would be a much better place. It’s a shame everyone wants to rush to full on violence every single time.
Very impressive. Of course it leaves you wondering how the same intelligence service which completely penetrated the upper levels of the Iranian government also managed to be completely oblivious to the Oct 7th attack which we’re told was orchestrated by that same government.
Something here smells rather fishy.
Very correct, and this is a serious problem that will need to be faced and confronted by Jews in Israel.
The answer as to how Oct. 7th could happen, is answered by taking everything Sundance ever wrote about the US deep-state/IC, DOJ and “Biden regime”-type judges, advancing that structure with about 50 more years of development under turd politicians like Clinton, Biden, Obama, and the Bushes, and applying it to present day Israel.
Bibi is, at best, the “Donald Trump” of Israel, with much less money.
Any blockade of the strait will not be physical (ships, planes, missles), it will be done electronically.
Zelensky you’re next.
Netanyahu is cut from the same cloth as Don Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney-globalist warmonger with an unclenchable thirst for conflict. Iran has been his obsession for 30+ years. Narcissist, messianic complex or both? His attitude and sense of entitlement reminds of Zelenskyy. In many ways, Israel is a vassal state. Moreover, are we allowed to discuss The Publishers Trial where Netanyahu was indicted and charged? Please do the research before drawing any flaccid comparisons to PDJT indictments. Continuing, the Israeli’s brag about their world renowned and respected intelligence apparati, and they have earned and demonstrated that right. Yet, nothing about Oct.7, zero, zip, zilch. Well, that day certainly saved Netanyahu, his legacy and allowed him to carry on with his obsession.
actually he served in combat special forces.
hes no chicken hawk
The older brother of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Yoni, was a highly decorated Israeli military officer who led the famous Operation Entebbe in 1976, where he was killed while rescuing hostages from a hijacked plane in Uganda.
So Bersy, what have you done for your country lately??
Actually former law enforcement as in patrol officer.
The only Sayeret Matkal fatality in that raid. Also, all three Netanyahu brothers were commanders of that unit at one time or another.
You can be a warmonger and be brave, courageous, highly trained. None-the-less a warmonger. His side won, albeit, with American help as always.
“In many ways, Israel is a vassal state.”
I think you may have got it backward.
How much aid do we pump into Israel each year and have been since it’s inception? Name a single war they could have won without American aid?
Bersey, I am sympathetic to your comment. I just had a quibble about the use of the term “vassal state.”
This is what I get from the web:
A vassal state is a country that is nominally independent but is effectively controlled by a more powerful country. It is subordinate in nature, with the vassal state providing military or other forms of support to the dominant state while retaining some degree of autonomy.
The question I intended is — who has been a vassal to whom?
I think we are on similar pages, if not precisely the same page.
Peace.
Thank you. I am corrected.
An American President who consistently drops truth bombs!!! What a sight to behold.
With the crippling of the Iran regime’s military strength the people of Iran have an opportunity to take their country back. If they don’t, then their complacency becomes complicity. Pray for the people of Iran. Israel and the USA need to step back and give them a chance to own their country again.
Wow! Is Trump mad!!!
well it would seem so, but we will know when he lays eyes on zelenskyy again. especially if he is still mad over the ceasefire. I love my President.
Nah, he was just angry and is a good showman, played the crowd like a pro, and that’s a compliment not a slur 🙂
Netanyahu = Zelenski
unlike you receivers of the Ten Commandments
What is Israel going to do now that the Iran Nuke Card has been cancelled?
10:30 pm 6/23/25 – Went to sleep with a smile on my face
5:30 am 6/24/25 – Woke up to what I thought was just a nightmare, went back to sleep immediately
8:30 am 6/24/25 – Woke up to Donald Trump dropping the F Bomb and felt ready to face the day
I can relate.
There is something going on in social media that has somehow targeted the places where teenagers read because my teenage kids were very wound up about what is going on.. I don’t know if it’s Tik Tok or what- but they got to the kids.
So I was pretty happy to be able to tell them “Calm down, it’s over, there has been a ceasefire, it’s over”.
Now this!
If you think the Middle East is a complex mess, try explaining it all to teenagers!
Ditto.
Yeah.. me too.. quite the roller coaster, eh Mac?
Glad to see a POTUS stand up for US sovereignty, even if it means having to rebuke Israel. Good on him. This is the kind of POTUS I’ve been waiting for.
Love Israel but we are the United States. We are not your’s or anyone’s slave. Our national interest is first. Period.
The antisemitism on this site is disgusting. Conservative Treehouse is becoming more like Conservative Auschwitz.
I’m becoming immune to that accusation. I recommend you try a better argument. Is that you Ted Cruz? Mark Levin? Ben Shapiro?
Anything less than billions in aid and the blood of young American men and women spilt in the name of defending Israel is considered “anti-Semitism” to the Mark Levins of the world, who play the “anti-Semitism” card as readily as Al Sharpton has played the racism card for the last 40 years.
A common theme since 47 was elected has been “it’s not getting done fast enough! We want indictments now! We want the war in Ukraine over now! We want 20 million illegals out of the US now! We want interest rates down now! We want Iran’s nuke program gone now!”
Are we petulant spoiled and coddled brats without a realistic sense of what it takes diplomatically, economically and legally to effect this monumental change for our country?
We just finished 5 months of 47’s term and the change is staggering!
As MAGA, our focus must remain the betterment of our own country, despite what Israel does to Iran and visa versa. No nukes will be coming out of Iran towards our installations…better for our country.
We have a long way to go. We have an amazing group of Treepers locked into a correct way to analyze these issues. (Thanks to Sundance.) Letting the dust settle before jumping into the 24 hour news cycle has been the best therapy for me, personally, since 47 was reelected.
God speed, USA!
God speed, USA!
A born leader.
On the one hand there are the forever wars pols and pundits, and on the other hand there are the “we shouldn’t do anything/Israel shouldn’t retaliate/Netanyahu bad” voices. Trump threaded the needle by staying true to his principles. Regarding Israel, they have a right and duty to protect themselves from the existential threat posed by Iran. Regarding the US, we act in our America First interest, and encourage Israel and Iran to also act in their own self interest. Bibi and Trump planned how to deal with Iran to explain to them what their self interest was. The staggered start of the cease fire first allowed Israel to destroy oppressive targets in Iran, and second, to emphasize in a face saving way that Iran must surrender unconditionally. The same negotiated settlement that was on the table 72 days ago will still have all of the verifiable details today, with a few less bad actors in Iran to muck it up. Israel accepted the cease fire with a caveat–Iranian violations will be responded to severely. The regional bully will bully no more.
Regarding all the talk about how close Iran was to nukes, that is irrelevant. Twice in history nations pursuing nuclear weapons did so with the intent to use them as soon as possible. The US in 1945, and Iran until recently. Nuclear deterrence means the enemy does not get to fire the first shot, or any shot if possible. There are some here who cannot see both the wisdom of Trump, and the wisdom of God who controls history. October 7 was Iran’s day of infamy and required their complete defeat. Gaza still has unfinished business. Trump has a vision for that property as well.
It’s not Trump I’m worried about. It’s Netanyahu and the warmongers trying to slep their strings around his wrists and legs so they can control him like they’ve done to all the rest of our leaders. Trunp seems to know what they’re up to but these people are desperate and evil.
Yep….waiting for a False Flag from MI6/CIA/Mossad….could paint any one of the “Axis of Authoritarianism” states as perpetrators.