Full dragon, no panda mask. Beijing begins using war terminology to discuss the trade conflict with the United States.
Through a series of cumulative trade tariffs, President Trump has now placed Chinese imports into the USA in a position of 104% tariffs.
104%!
In response Beijing has devalued their currency and dumped treasuries, but no amount of subsidy, devaluation or use of their sovereign wealth fund is going to compensate for 104% taxes on Chinese products. Very soon all purchase orders from the USA for Chinese manufactured products will stop.
The Beijing dragon is looking at the future through a zero-sum position. Now, they vow to fight to the death.
BEIJING, April 9 (Xinhua) — With firm will and abundant means, China will resolutely take countermeasures and fight till the end if the United States insists on further escalating economic and trade restrictive measures, China’s Ministry of Commerce said Wednesday.
“I want to emphasize that there is no winner in a trade war, and China does not want a trade war, but the Chinese government will by no means sit by when the legitimate rights and interests of its people are being hurt and deprived,” said an official with the ministry.
The official made the remarks when responding to media questions regarding a white paper released Wednesday by the State Council Information Office on China’s position on some issues concerning China-U.S. economic and trade relations.
Noting that the successes of China and the United States are opportunities rather than threats for each other, the official said that China hopes the United States will immediately remove its unilateral imposition of tariffs, and work with China to strengthen dialogue, manage differences, and promote cooperation.
China is willing to communicate with the U.S. side on key bilateral economic and trade issues, address their respective concerns through dialogue and consultations on an equal footing, and jointly advance the steady, healthy and sustainable development of China-U.S. economic and trade relations, the official noted. (more)
90% of the worlds pharmaceuticals are made downstream of the 3 gorges dam in China in the valley there supposedly…. I remember every other year the dam gets huge pressure from flooding and could fail…. this really is a security issue
AND the companies are American, hold the patents, AND make the massive profits. WHILE supporting communism for cheap labor, slack standards, and obedience.
God Help US
Patents are meaningless in war.
Patents are meaningless in China, period.
It’s not the companies that suffer it’s the patent holders.
Sorry but for American companies to exist in China the CCP gets all intellectual property rights. In other words we pay our universities to work on patents and such also we give subsidies to corporations, THE American people pay for it and never get anything out of it. So they get us paying coming and going. The plan was for us to become a Chinese colony. Trump is fixing this. Blame both sides of the aisle in politics They sold the people out. Paul Ryan when he was in speaker essentially admitted this saying America was an idea. That’s globalist talk, it’s why they keep referring to us as a “special economic zone”. That means we are consumers with no real rights. See the picture 🤷🏻
The inventors know that only too well; the company’s profited.
they have a responsibility to their customer
they are a puff story platform. pay for planting your advertisements as news
Excellent. I look forward to seeing China double-down and triple-down rather than negotiate anything. While they sneer and shake their tiny fists at us, I expect also to see more manufacturing return to the US.
Thanks, China! Keep up the good work!
They have, announced 2 hours ago.
From tomorrow there will be an 84% duty on all US imports. Plus they have increased the number of US companies on special measures or no trade.
Bear in mind that China only exports about 33% of its GDP and much of that goes to the rest of the World.
And as Kyle Bass warned years ago, unless you’re a huge US company that has major political friends in China, you actually OWN NOTHING there even if you’ve paid for it.
The Chinese have proved the great truth of the old commie adage being the basic message of a much longer Vladimir Lenin quote, “A capitalist will sell you the rope you hang him with” to which I will add, “When BOUGHT governments allow them to do so”.
Except our situation is even dumber. Wall Street financed their rope factories, provided or allowed the theft of rope making IP, and then WE BUY the rope they hang us with. When this short sighted, greed based trap is finally recognized, little can be done because the victim nation no longer manufactures essential goods domestically.
Clever Dragon.
It appears China is unclear on how reciprocal tariffs work.
Better look at your Xmas decoration supply and go shopping today if you need anything. There won’t be much imported from China this year.
Made in America does not need cheap decorations. We grow the trees with God’s help. We can make our own ornaments and they may have been made by a Christian who believes in what they are doing. Quit sounding like a depraved child!
If there is anything seniors (for those who can’t work in a commercial environment – factory for example or due to inability to get to work either because of transport issues or distance; would love is to be in an American home industry making things by hand with all supplies and training provided. Embroidered stuff, soft toys, linens, knitted items and other household gadgets cloth covers, shock cords of all sizes for different purposes, other ornamental/decorating small fun cuties
Christmas decoration is the very least of my worries.
I’m jumping for joy to have American red, real red back in decorations. The orange tinted red from china makes me ill.
Same with most of the green colors…….
I’m also jumping for joy if the tariffs bring back American medicines produced to real standards.
When it comes to Christmas decorations, you’ll still be able to get them cheaply from what might become two dollar stores if this goes on long enough.
I still have my beautiful round glass ornaments with a beautiful crown on top that I bought in the 1980s. They shimmer and reflect the Christmas tree lights. They are gorgeous.
The ones that they make today are styrofoam covered in glitter, fabric, and paint. I use them for a few decor scenes but if one falls to the ground then I let the cats have it for a toy.
They are real American red! I have the old ones, too. I cherish them.
Hit your local flea markets, thrift stores, and antique stores, all have plenty of Made In USA ornaments.
Same with toys and other items. Americans could save a lot of money by recycling items instead of running to the dollar store and loading up on trinkets
And not throwing everything away that otherwise could easily be repaired.
Yard sales, estate sales – Most of the time there’s a lifetime’s supply of holiday stuff there
I pray that is true; the colors red and green has become so distorted and untrue it’s a shame.
I love American red!
Local news went out and talked to a “trinket shop” owner. He stated that 90% of everything in his shop was from China. Translation “I sell cheap crap that is loaded with toxic material to unsuspecting Americans”. Hope he is put out of business or forced to find a new supplier.
I hope he finds locals willing to sell their home made goods in his shop.
Take pony tail and put it where no sun shine!
LOL….nice!
Sooner or later someone had to grab the reigns and execute power. The USA was / is ending otherwise. It might still be too late but dare to try.
China will start a war before it allows its population to revolt over poor economic conditions. So would we, it’s standard stuff.
Got any food in the house?
Yep. Since the woofroo exposed the weaknesses of our food chain, we have kept plenty.
Most of the country lives in poverty. Much like the Southern states during the depression, they were so poor they didn’t even know things got bad for people.
Poverty is usually related to income. But rural folks grew their vegetables and raised a few animals so they only needed enough money to pay the electric bill, taxes and buy a few staples like flour, sugar and salt. So they didn’t feel ‘depressed’ because they weren’t hungry, had a roof over their head and clothes on their back.
Fascinating to me, to read about that way of life during the depression.
This is a crucial step in returning industry and jobs to the US, and I’m hoping it goes further.
Chinese-owned land is also a problem, as is the infiltration of our universities. The Chinese are deep into the labs in the agricultural departments and teaching hospitals.
At some point, I hope President Trump’s administration will be able to address these security issues.
From what I see living in a ‘College Town”, the entire college is run by Chinese. I was there on a Saturday recently and the first 10 people I saw outside all looked Chinese. Walking down the concrete walks between buildings singly or one pair all were Chinese. They are not friendly either.
You got that right! The last time I went to the U of I small animal clinic, the young Chinese veterinarian was rude and abrupt with me, and absolutely mean to my pet. On top of that, she lied about services performed, didn’t assess test results correctly, and did nothing to help.
My regular veterinarian had to obtain the tests, and send them to an out-of-state specialist who was a friend. My vet will NEVER refer another client to the U of I. They used to be top-notch.
Take a look at the student section at any Duke basketball game at Cameron Indoor Stadium.
In addition to not being friendly, they massively cheat. My daughter was a graduate student at a major Pennsylvania university. A large number of Chinese students were in most of the courses that she had. During exams, the Chinese students would gather in the back of the room and speak Chinese to each other. Cheating, needless to say. Of course their exam scores were among the highest, and they all had the same score. My daughter complained to the professors and they would just shrug their shoulders. They didn’t care.
After one year of that, my daughter left the major Pennsylvania university and obtained her degree in a smaller college that didn’t cater to the Chinese money.
Go to Vegas during Chinese new year. They decorate the casinos like worship altars to cater to them. They are mostly extremely rude. Will run into you before they would move over in a walkway. Go at Christmas time and decorating is at a minimum in comparison.
I believe that Team Trump is well aware of this issue and is going to completely rid ourselves of these communists. If businesses have to hire Americans to get the perks then universities will have to educate Americans only to get whatever perks and funding that they need or else they can spend their endowments.
The government should get out of the student loan business. That is just a DEI fraud program: give a “loan”, disperse the funds, and forgive the “loan”. How much money did we give to groups via fake college attendance followed up by “loan forgiveness”?
Plus, if Trade Schools boom in numbers (which they should) then universities will have to compete and actually provide value or else whither away.
From your lips to God’s ears – and to PDJT’s also.
It has been reported that many drugs used by people of the USA are only made in China. That is my major concern and I pray that the drug manufacturers of the USA are standing ready to supply our nation’s needs.
The are not currently and will need time to change that probably by trying to source it in India. Trump’s goal is of course in reinvigorate American production of most of its pharmaceutical needs but sadly that will take even longer.
One more great reason to return pharmaceutical manufacturing to the US.
File it under national security.
India is a major manufacturer.
I wonder about the inventory already in the US for the various dollar stores. I’ll know this is having an effect when either the dollar stores have low inventory or become two dollar stores. I don’t visit them, but I will now occasionally just to watch. BTW, there’s a YouTube channel that visits dying small towns throughout the US and guess what can still be found in many – Chinese product dollar stores. Wall Street and their BOUGHT pols destroy a country and then make more money selling cheap Chinese stuff to the resulting impoverished peons.
I don’t think huge tariffs will have such a major effect on those stores since two dollars is still cheap. However, 100% China product stores like Harbor Freight are going to have fun doubling the prices of their already not dirt cheap items like power tools. Same for Home Depot and Lowes where even “name brand” power tools are made in China.
Since the dragon isn’t yielding and if it doesn’t do so soon, we’re going to see some really interesting things in our stores since most everything manufactured is made in China. Also, watch prices rise on existing inventories as some retailers take advantage of the situation, just as gasoline prices made from on-hand oil inventory immediately rise as oil prices rise. There was one company I saw announcing new prices on YouTube which was immediately slammed for that conduct in comments.
If China then shifts to the EU to dump goods and the EU allows that, the EU will go down the same path we did 25 years ago. Combine that with Maoist Cultural Revolution effects they’ve experienced to an even greater effect than here and the corresponding cultural pollution they’ve allowed, the highly skilled and paid German workers will be competing for low wage, low skill jobs with the hordes of invaders they have allowed into their country. That will fun, I’m sure.
German industry is already on that path:
Opinion: China will soon “gnaw” the entire German industry
March 21st, 2025
https://eadaily.com/en/news/2025/03/21/opinion-china-will-soon-gnaw-the-entire-german-industry
China has become a serious threat not only to VW and Mercedes — the German chemical and engineering industries are also being attacked by Chinese competitors.
The German industrial base is facing an unprecedented challenge. Germany, once a leader in high-tech manufacturing, has faced a decline in industrial production over the past five years. This puts at risk the preservation of up to 5.5 million jobs and 20% of employment in the country.
Another important factor is China’s rapid transition from low-value-added manufacturing to high-tech and innovative industries. This is the Communist Party’s “Made in China 2025” strategy aimed at achieving world leadership in advanced manufacturing and technology.
The speed at which China has caught up with Germany is perhaps most noticeable in the automotive industry. German automakers have been criticized for their lack of innovation, slow transition to electric vehicles and inability to cope with the growing fierce competition from Chinese brands such as SAIC Motor and BYD. These problems have led to the threat of tens of thousands of layoffs and to the real closure of German factories.
China business could become a problem for German companies
21.02.2022
https://www.ifw-kiel.de/publications/news/china-business-could-become-a-problem-for-german-companies/
German companies are increasingly investing abroad in China. This is particularly true in the manufacturing sector, such as the automotive industry. US companies, on the other hand, are largely staying away from the country. ”German companies are on the path to critical dependence on the goodwill of the Chinese leadership. They serve China’s geopolitical claim to power when they transfer their know-how to the country, and they can be squeezed out by domestic firms,” said Rolf J. Langhammer, a trade expert at the Kiel Institute, on the occasion of a recent analysis.
an A’hole company if they raise prices on inventory they already have.
even during the covid crap it took time for prices to increase
Very few items in “dollar” stores are priced at $1.
Those stores can close, then. No one will be able to afford it.
Like Macchiavelli’s prince, the CCP is about to find out that being a power-hungry scoundrel leaves one no allies in the end.
China was BUILT by American companies that went there for cheap labor, no benefits, SS, and a gigantic work force at their finger tips. China’s goal is to get rid of the USA. The Bush China Foundation have had a start on US; time to catch up with 400% taxes/tariffs IMHO. Knock the American companies that support communism out of business!!
US business supports communism and wants it spread worldwide; what do ya think the NWO ‘WAS’ all about; freedom will take the reins again.
Unfortunately communism/NWO, tyranny, monarchies, and Islam requires the loss of lives to get out of their clutches..
God Help US
China is willing to….Translates to: Give us enough time and we can buy more politicians, bureaucrats and institutions to our side.
they were lured into comfort, and didnt see how vulnerable they were getting if the bribes were stopped and regs werent favoring them
Negotiating anything with China is a fool’s errand.
False Hope & Broken Promises: Chinese Compliance with the WTO
Apr 19, 2022
China has failed to meet its commitments under a two-year “Phase 1” trade deal that expired at the end of 2021.
China Has Broken All Agreements Signed With India Since 1993
Jun 17 2020
China has a history of not fully adhering to international agreements, often making promises that are not kept, particularly in trade and environmental commitments. This pattern has led to skepticism about China’s reliability in diplomatic negotiations.
Freeview on Tubitv with ads, no membership required:
The China Hustle
2018 · 1 hr 25 min
R
Documentary
This compelling documentary centers around a Wall Street heist involving Chinese companies, the US stock market, and a massive fraud scheme.
https://tubitv.com/movies/590869/the-china-hustle
***Past, long term, extreme poverty and starvation has led to China being a THIEF CULTURE to this very day.***
In Chinese culture, theft is accepted and even admired. It is punished by the government which is itself massively corrupt only if it makes the headlines or, worse, international headlines like the nutrition free baby formula sold there. That guy was executed.
There’s a westerner who lived in and traveled around China for years on a motorcycle who produced a video series on YouTube. One was about when he and a friend were nearly killed by a poisonous counterfeit “name brand” liquor. Such beers, wines, and liquors are bought in seemingly reputable establishments. So, they’ll even gladly poison their own to make a few rmb.
Book:
To Steal a Book Is an Elegant Offense: Intellectual Property Law in Chinese Civilization (Studies in East Asian Law, Harvard University) – 1997
One of several studies:
JOURNAL OF CHINESE ECONOMICS, 2014 Vol. 2. No. 2, pp 73-78
Call for Copy – The Culture of Counterfeit in China
by Ling Jiang
Abstract: The aim of this paper is to deepen the understanding of Chinese counterfeit phenomenon by exploring the effect of culture. Counterfeit activities are shaped by Chinese historical, social and political reasons. Intellectual property rights protections don’t have an obvious presence on Chinese soil. The discussion of counterfeit consumer behavior research via the effect of culture is provided.
Planted “lost wallet” return rate experiment by country. Note what country is at the very bottom of the resulting chart:
All the more reason Trump needs to go full ani Marxist.
Thomas Hern
@ThomasMHern
“Xi can only stay the Supreme Leader if people are employed.”
“America is the #1 economy on earth with all the cards. We will not have that forever. It’s time to squeeze Chinese heads into the wall.”
Kevin O’Leary calls for 400% tariffs on China.
Video linked…
last cattle virus cjina had, they got on their knees for food from PDJT.
this isnt even challenging for PDJT. messaging to keep media believers from pulling their eyes out is the goal, because the media once proven wrong will just move to the next sky faling bs
Yep, that’s why in 2010 during the later stages of the Global Financial Crisis, the CCP spent more on police state infrastructure they did on their military. Gordon Chang has pointed out in a recent interview that the PLA is going after Xi’s political allies.
Our best (only) hope is to kick China over the cliff of financial destruction before we go there ourselves. As I’ve pointed out above, there is no point of negotiating with them UNLESS FOR A CHANGE there is a will and a way to enforce any agreement.
“Kyle Bass recommended Scott Bessent as the top choice for U.S. Treasury Secretary, highlighting Bessent’s understanding of markets, economics, and geopolitics. Bass believes that Bessent is highly qualified for the role and would be respected by global central bankers.”
Kyle Bass: Why the Chinese Economy is Going to Collapse (24:53)
American Thought Leaders – The Epoch Times
8 Jan 2025
Unfortunately communism, tyranny, NWO, monarchies and Islam ALL require loss of lives to get out of their clutches. Once they take hold over people you can’t leave without a fight………a major fight.
God Help US
If the tariffs are successful for US the people of China come closer to war, but also closer to freedom.
The Soviet Union collapsed without a major fight.
Consider the US corporates that export worldwide, Apple, HP, Cisco, Netgear, Microsoft etc, etc. They will be shipping product direct all over the World as well as the US.
Now, uniquely it will be their US purchasers, business and domestic, who are hit by tariffs, whilst the rest of us should see no price change or even a drop to divert what were US destined equipment. Marketing now working overtime on such sales campaigns.
In the US? Want a new laptop or phone? Get ready to pop across the nearest border for a good price.
Goodness, such gloomy comments this morning. You reeeeeally don’t like our President’s tariff plans, do you?
BTW, we want those US companies to come back home.
take an old plant, reassmeble and build it here for us here.
problem solved.
if it takes 3 years, some other company should tiktok-like purchase them via gov and let the purchaser build plants faster
Dunno why everyone claims years to move factories when manhours are a better metric.
If it is x number of manhours to disassemble, pack, transport, unpack, and reassemble production lines, you can do it faster running multiple shifts and splitting the workload between an appropriate number of individuals with minimal downtime.
Say the plant to be moved is 200 miles from the nearest suitable port in China. It will have to be shut down safely, carefully packed given the likely electronics, put into a fleet of containers and shipped to a port where there may be a waiting time to get on a ship, then the journey across the Pacific into a western US port where again there may be waiting time and then reverse the process.
Then allow for finding a workforce in China who may not be keen to do this before moving them to the US to train up US workers. Then there are all their subcontractors.
Your suggestion may work on a small factory but an Apple or similar plant?
What you describe
If only it was that simple, to move a decent sized factory having first found a site with the correct authorisations and suitable nearby workforce will inevitably take time.
Any company now wanting to relocate back to the US, will fly through the regulatory process at speed.
The dumb corporations who haven’t already moved are going to be the losers.
President Trump talked tariffs for a year while running for his second term.
These corporations had almost two years to open a contingency plant in the United States.
The corporations that did …. will win.
Nike screwed itself; New Balance didn’t. There are New Balance plants in the United States.
Hondo, Toyota, Hyundai, Mercedes . . . all have U.S. factories.
Jaguar … no, too bad for Jaguar.
The global corporations who ignored Trump’s long time warnings, will be the losers, and this is shown in their stock price collapse.
Everyone knew tariffs were going to happen.
The nimble corporations adjusted long ago.
If Nike thinks it can raise its prices on shoes, Nike will be an EVEN BIGGER loser.
New Balance will replace it.
Sitting here on a sunny day in the middle of England I really don’t mind about the tariffs. I can understand why your President has taken this step now, basically he had to as the US couldn’t wait passively until BRICS+ matured. Strike now or wait for the disaster. From the perspective of the UK, a smart move.
I know you do and it makes sense but the trend of the US losing manufacturing jobs started back in the 50s post the WW2 boom days. A problem now that factories are becoming automated is that when they do move back there will be few actual jobs just lots of robots.
As PDJT stated on multiple occasions, he wants those automated factories and robots, built, and operating in the US. Not in China.
So there will be construction jobs AND engineering jobs? Yay!
Yes, those of us who support PDJT’s tariff plans know it’s going to hurt for a while. As an American whose ancestors came on the Mayflower and fought in the Revolutionary War, I see our upcoming sacrifices as very insignificant to reclaim our independence.
As an American whose ancestors came here only a century ago, I see our upcoming sacrifices as very insignificant to reclaim our independence.
I am with you PJ, all the way.
Quite right, but since he’s English, I had to remind him why we take our freedom seriously. 😉
BTW, glad you’re here. I wanted you to see a thread that has some links you might find helpful. GB Bari provided a great video, and I provided a website.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2025/04/04/april-4th-2025-presidential-politics-trump-administration-day-75/comment-page-3/#comment-11699695
That is beyond crazy — it is criminal.
Two weeks ago I talked to my state Rep and told her about all the Chem Trails in the skies over Lake Superior, the largest fresh water lake in the world.
Although she sounded sincere in her response, her answer to my concerns was there was nothing she could do, it’s up to the Federal Government to take care of those problems.
So last week I heard that Florida had passed a law saying that no one can spray anything in the air over their land for any climate change hogwash, and I thought, ‘Huh.’
Called my Rep, who held a big shin dig this past Monday. Told her about the Florida legislators who got that law put into place, and asked her to start working on the same type of bill for Minnesota.
I like Natalie Zeleznikar, and hope she actually does something here in Minnesota. . . which is probably as unlikely here as it is in Illinois.
Thank you for the link to a good conversation!
There will be tons of construction jobs building these plants.
Lots of jobs to repair robots.
Lots of energy sector jobs to feed energy to the factories.
And for the corporations who haven’t moved yet, there are corporations who provide moving services for factories.
There’s a company in the UK who moved a printing press company to New Zealand in seven days, from disassembly in England to reassembly in New Zealand.
The automated assembly line can be unbolted from the factory floor in Canada and trucked across the line to Detroit. It can happen very fast.
The smart companies already made the shift. President Trump has been telling these CEOS directly over the phone that this was happening. And it was a loud part of his campaign for president.
Some big corporations listened and are already here. They will be the winners.
Your economic illiteracy is showing. After all of these past few weeks, you have not learned one thing.
Thanks for your concern.////
Not quite sure how to take your comment. My working life in manufacturing plants taught me quite a lot. The first lesson was not to be complacent in estimating.
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Suddenly the demands for new laptops etc. are going to increase “all over the World” sufficient to make up for potential long-term losses in the U.S. markets? Including in countries that already have been tariffing these products?
And these U.S. companies are going to risk the long-term losses of U.S. customers and ongoing business over the relatively short time it would take for them to repatriate their production into the United States?
And these companies might even drop their prices elsewhere to gain this ostensible rapid market increase, rather than just doing that in the U.S. or, conversely, spreading the pain a little all over the world?
And U.S. consumers are now, encouraged to be freaked out about paying higher prices maybe temporarily for products for which there is somewhat inelastic demand, never mind that they managed to absorb the last four years of Bidenflation?
We’ll see. Lots of speculation here. Apple, e.g. just moved massive inventory pre-tariffs into the U.S. to cover the period while they repatriate production.
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Thanks for your comment. I don’t know the product sales split between the US and RoW or the unique US features, like power plugs etc that prevent easy switching. I just know that manufacturers do have price flexibility in their markets to increase or decrease sales, hence my comment re marketing working overtime.
In the UK the maximum import duty (tariff0 is around 5% and has been for decades so not really a factor.
As I read it Apple moved 5x 747F type aircraft worth of products into the US over the past few weeks as an emergency measure. Given that is i-family and Mac products I doubt, in a market the size of the US, that it will last long.
It will be weeks before the situation settles down so indeed lots of speculation that should include tough stuff as well as normal US optimism.
They are American companies. The Federal government can make it extremely uncomfortable for them…
Only need to grab any one of those names by the proverbials, and the rest will get the message.
Thomas Hern
@ThomasMHern
“I worked in a factory in 1989. We made radial passenger tires for cars. I worked there with my dad, eight of my uncles, and 12 of my cousins. I was a union steward. That plant now sits in China because you can import small radial passenger tires pretty cheap because of our failed trade policy, in this Democrats opinion.”
This is about saving the middle class for President Trump.
Video linked…
‘…because of our failed trade policy, …’
The trade policy did not fail, with respect to its goals of enriching a subset of the citizenry.
That subset did quite well by it.
It shafted the rest of us.
The price of the tires didn’t decrease significantly; instead, profits rose due to lax environmental regulations and the use of slave labor.
Looks like this is not playing out like it did with Trump’s first term tariffs.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/china-holds-back-retaliation-opts-strategic-messaging-through-white-paper-trade
“China Strikes Back: Hikes Tariffs On US Goods To 84% As Trade War Goes Nuclear”
Which one needs the other’s market and goods more? We may find out soon.
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Hm… Let’s see.
We export $143.5 billion worth of stuff to China, which includes food products that they can’t rapidly duplicate.
China imports $439 billion worth of stuff into the U.S. that includes some necessary things but all things that we can make ourselves in a relatively short period of time, plus a lot of unnecessary consumer product (toys, video game consoles, etc.)
We win.
(By the way, caveat that zerohedge is Wall Street-biased).
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These retaliations are GREAT! They destroy the globalist system.
The globalists planned to Build Back Better with their New World Order of mandatory experimental injections, digital money, surveillance, 15 minute cities, eat bugs, own nothing be happy plans for the slave class, which is almost everyone.
And now that ugly globalist dream is being smashed before our eyes.
President Trump is resetting the global order, in a pro freedom direction.
He’s taking the direction away from the communist Chinese and the bureaucratic tyrants of the European Union, and from the globalist billionaires who enriched themselves during covid.
Beautiful to see.
A blessing of Biblical proportions.
Keep the boot to the Chinese neck.
Now mash harder.
Destroy the dragon for good.
Ditto. It’s a game of chicken which we cannot afford to lose.
China is waiting on the Dem and Rhino republicans in Congress to blink then pass legislation to limit the tariff mandates by President Trump. Panda wants their puppets in US Congress to solve the problem for them. It is a time game .
hence the cases not prosecuted.
country first
Veto power.
That China makes pharmaceuticals is DANGEROUS!!
That and the rare earths are going to be a problem. We have more time to muddle through the rest.
If we are serious about decoupling from the CCP, we need to get a wartime-like stand up these capabilities going now.
It’s going to be interesting to see how CCP feeds its slaves.
The end of all Chinese crap flooding our country, how wonderful!!!
“…the official said that China hopes the United States will immediately remove its unilateral imposition of tariffs…”
You first, Comrade. I guarantee that we can survive longer without “Made in China” than Xi and his gangsters can survive without Yankee dollars.
Ha! I love how all these countries view pillaging the United States to be their “right”.
They’ve survived this long mainly by working with American sellers to hide the country of origin from consumers. Any by taking advantage of tariff loopholes left in place by past, Chinese-bribed, US officials (elected and unelected).
Hey China, buy your own stuff. We aren’t required to let you open stores in our country. Pack your bags and move on.
They’ve also probably been told by the EU “don’t expect to dump your products here”.
Give’em hell! Here we go!
I’m guessing China is counting on the “spoiled creampuff” American citizenry to riot and revolt against our own government when supplies of some items become scarce or nonexistent and prices rise. And in some cases they may be right — I live in a blue state and many of my neighbors and acquaintances have already begun to whine and screech. But a lot of the problems we are facing now is because they and those they happily and blindly voted into government these past few decades have all wholeheartedly supported our national “outsourcing” and completely ignored the eventual consequences of such selfish short-sightedness.
Thankfully far-seeing MAGA and other strong Americans outnumber these whingers, we now have a strong, patriotic and canny President and Cabinet and WE WILL WIN THE WAR!!!
We MAGA AMERICA will crush China and the Globalists. Unconditional surrender. Like President Trump says. “We have all the cards”
In the above communique take out the word China and put in Canada.
It is the same bland pap. In other words, no matter which country communicates to us, it is the same message.
Remove the tariffs, restore the previous tax system, and nothing will change.
That is basically what they all are saying. I get the strong sense that they, China, Canada, and EU, are speaking with the same voice. That means coordination between them.
The British Crown is the power behind its proxies of Canada, EU and China.
Right on cue. Abusers always, always let their panda mask slip and expose themselves when they realize that they have lost complete control over their victims. Always.
This is what happens when you try to leave an abuser. Additionally, they always tell the story about “what happened” in terms of “They are the victim”.
Furious Big Panda jumping up and down on the rake.
Some folks, in generally traditional journals, have been writing for years that the Chinese economy is built on smoke and mirrors and WILL collapse, not speculating on IF, but only on WHEN. It may very well be that 47 is tossing the Chinese a lifeline, an opportunity to save their economy from inevitable destruction. But, can communists identify reality staring them in the face?
buy American, F the chinks…..
For the people both cheering this on and watching in disgust, find the April 8th interview at Duran of professor Sachs with the Duran folks on US trade policy.
Be careful of Sachs. Take with a BIG grain of salt. He may agree with us sometimes, but he will ultimately be left behind by the New Right that is forming in and around the Trump administration.
How many voters will vote Red in the next election though when they lost their job due to a recession (missing goods and services, less demand for goods and services, consumer uncertainty piling up), and the ones that are employed lose the choice of half the stuff they can buy and the other half of the stuff — that is still available and US made — went up 10,20,50% in price.
Trade war is damaging on 2 sides.
And this would not be “The world ripping the US off”, it would primarily be too much risk in US trade policy of the Trump admin.
I agree wholeheartedly. The list of woes will get very long.
Additional thought I have on this:
Tariffs are great for coercion, but what we have now is blanket tariffs on 180 — one hundred and eighty! countries.
Trinidad and Tobago want to negotiate.. Fine.. But EU and China is turned into a trade war seems like. And India might not happen until the fall (can’t really rush a trade agreement now can you)
Now if the tariffs were used selectively and on select industry, to bring back and chip off those industries over time..
A policy of encouragement… that could have worked OK
But think that some parts of the government might have turned Trumps ego and bluster personality against him
What is the best way to get rid of an otherwise good policy?
Do too much of it at once, have it affect and disenfranchise mainstreet.
Mainstreet – the people working 3 jobs and shop at Walmart and Dollar Tree to make endd meet – will think twice if they lost half their stuff and have even more trouble feeding their families.
So be careful the people cheering on the maximum tariff strategy and trade war might not be very MAGA at all in the end.
They could be just as well looking for a perfect excuse to jetison the MAGA ideology
As I said before when it starts to affect mainstreet by reducing half their stuff, and increasing the price of their other half of the stuff they buy…
Too much.. too much risk.. Thread carefully.
Again, agree. Be careful everyone what you are cheering for. Consider how long it will take to implement and the financial pain to those who are already at the brink and voted for Trump because of this. Many people will feel BETRAYED.
Many people who are already on the brink were handily put their by the leftist regime.
Our side is the side that does not blindly follow any man; that’s the left.
Most voted for President Trump with their eyes wide open.
“Trumps” ego and bluster are neither.
President Trump has put his life and fortune on the line for us and our country, just like our founding fathers did.
And if our country comes down to war — a civil war between those who want wasteful, useless crap and those who want to save the United States of America — I pray when all is said and done that our homes are free of clutter and our flag still waves.
The sky is not falling chicken little.
Trump knows exactly what he is doing, and why. Why 180 countries at once? Even a tiny island in the pacific? Because as Bessent said, we know how China plays. Deceitfully crooked. If there is even ONE country left off the list, CHINA will find and exploit that little loophole and ship there, to ship to the USA duty-free. Trump knows this from the first go-round. Bi-lateral one-on-one doesn’t work as a wholesale fix because they just find a loophole. This way, ALL LOOPHOLES ARE CLOSED.
And by the way,
Poker is not for the faint of heart, or for chickens. I trust our LION to play the cards in the right order….and he holds them ALL.
Ah, yes. One of the surest ways to know President Trump is over the target is all the FUD posts blossoming up like weeds in the spring.
The longer we wait, the more painful it will be… best do it now and not when the pain will be far worse and the recovery needed even longer.
If my post is FUD then your post / approach can be considered primarly hope based.
In case of economics, hope is not the best strategy and better left for the church.
Good outcomes are not guaranteed.
Like Sachs said on Duran in a trade war everyone loses, including the US.
“…hope is not the best strategy and better left for the church.”
Hope is the ONLY strategy and always starts in the church, and spreads out from there.
Every US company that moved to foreign countries for low wages, no benefits, no standards, or SS needs to be tariffed 400% to break them!!
Truthfully I don’t want them back in the USA after their shenanigans, but, I want medicines, vaccines, and medical equipment made with US standards in the USA.
I want plastic to become a thing of the past, farms to become productive, orchards to blossom, forests to provide other than forest fires, dairy and animal farms to meet our needs. Supply and demand markets along with gold and silver standard.
God help US
IMHO the NWO, communism, monarchies, Islam and tyrannies shouldn’t exist; they all require loss of lives to get out of their clutches.
Exclusive — Greek Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis: Europe Can Find ‘Win-Win Solution’ with President Trump on Trade that Is ‘Mutually Beneficial’
Excerpt:
Mitsotakis’s interview with Breitbart News sends a signal from Europe that European leaders want to work with Trump and it seems as though a broader realization is settling in across the continent that the real target of Trump’s actions appears to be China.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2025/04/09/exclusive-greek-prime-minister-kyriakos-mitsotakis-europe-can-find-win-win-solution-with-president-trump-on-trade-that-is-mutually-beneficial/
“BEAST BESSENT: China can raise their tariffs, but so what?”….
just saw a quote from bessent that there are talks of delisting all chinese companies from the stock exchange cutting them off of U.S. capitol and cause a massive sell off.
IMESHO, let’s work to end all of our business relations with the PRC, until they want to become a responsible world member that supports religious freedom and human dignity. The U.S. is in a position to provide the needs of all other nations through technology and manufacturing. Low cost items designed for consumer use can be provided by business relations with other developing nations.
I was not able to edit my previous comment, but here is a brief addition. We need to source critical material from other locations, rare earths from the Ukraine, Russia, and Africa; and increase our semiconductor and electronic components from stable, technically developing nations. Ensure that laptop, cellphone, and useful electronic devices are manufactured in developing nations. As far as labor intensive consumer or industrial devices, move that to other developing nations. Other nations will respond quickly to produce cheap, labor intensive consumer products. I am concerned about any “kneejerk” reaction from the existing regime in chine, but the world will need to respond appropriately.
It will be interesting to follow the impact on the renminbi over the next few weeks and any related concerns with US bank and corporate investments in chine.
“PRC, until they want to become a responsible world member that supports religious freedom and human dignity.”
Agree. China is almost as bad as the E.U.
This is the first “trade war” of concern. Just about everything on the shelves, other than fresh foods, comes from China. Medications, medical supplies, clothing, all the plastic crap we buy (just make your own mental list). I would be stocking up *before* it becomes obvious that shelves are starting to empty. Amazon, for example, is China’s best store front.
Just sayin’.
China is a British Crown colony and has been one since the Opium Wars.
USA tariffs on China is a proxy trade war against the British Crown.
When they say fight to the end they mean no more then 4 years.
Resistance would be futile otherwise.
Called it
Is it possible that a favorable tariff situation with Russia is created along with a deal to end the war?
I just don’t know what goods flow between the countries.
I think you’re on to something regarding whether the tariffs will have a possible impact on ending the war in Ukraine.
>>>But FYI, we currently don’t trade with Russia on finished goods, so tariffs on 0 = 0…. so no real impact there.
On the other hand —-in the past few days oil prices have plummeted from about $76/barrel to about $57/barrel. Russia is a major oil supplier and its economy and military significantly rely on oil profits. This squeeze may hasten Russia’s motivation for a quick resolution to the Ukraine War. (Zelensky is another matter).
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Oil-Price-Plunge-Could-Severely-Impact-Russias-Economy.html
We’ll see .. so many moving parts and at rapid fire speed. It makes 3-D chess look like kindergarten play. The globalists, media, enemies of MAGA can’t figure out what is happening to plan a coherent opposition strategy.
Every day I am more and more impressed with our great president’s knowledge and strategic mind.
We have multiple vulnerabilities that need to be addressed, starting with the “just in time” supply chain issue. Here, our major vulnerability would appear to be pharmaceutical. How quickly can the industry begin manufacturing here what it has exported to China in the endless pursuit of profit? What can the President do to get this industry back onshore ASAP?
Second, we need to deport every single Chinese student on our college and university campuses, and keep them out permanently. In what universe does a nation provide higher education in the STEM fields to the well connected children of the elite that controls our greatest adversary?
We need more than that even. Marxism must be banned. Bluesky is currently accumulating the most radical Left there. It would be a good place to start.
“People of the world, unite and defeat the U.S. aggressors and all their running dogs! People of the world, be courageous, and dare to fight, defy difficulties and advance wave upon wave. Then the whole world will belong to the people” yada yada yada
I’ll take Trump and the over
I’m guessing after we finish spanking China’s behind, that they will reconsider whether to continue blocking the sale of the Panama Canal operations.
You know, the canal that we built and paid for.
Everyone should be pissed at Bill Clinton for this mess.
Amazon cancels some inventory orders from China, looks at investing in US warehousing
https://sherwood.news/markets/amazon-cancels-some-inventory-orders-from-china-looks-at-investing-in-us
This! Please this!
state of missouri vs china over the virus,judgement was rendered for missouri and china did not contest it.so missouri is looking to confiscate chinese owned farm land and auction it off.missouri AG encouraged all other states to follow suit.
Ooh … “firm will”, “abundant means”, “resolute”? That’s even scarier than a strongly worded letter from the congressional committee.
President Xi is punching himself in the face, and if that doesn’t work he’s ready to kick himself in the juevos. Hard.
Keep it up!
The “end” will come sooner than their current actions suggest. After they’re done trying to save face, the reality that is hanging over them like a Sword of Damocles will finally strike and self-preservation will override the usual Chinese communist rhetoric.
J
Tariffs are paid when products arrive at the port in the United States. There are hundreds of container ships on the water right now, filled with billions of dollars worth of product from China. Companies purchased them at a certain cost weeks or months ago expecting to be able to sell them for a certain price and make a profit.
Suddenly, overnight, their cost doubled compared to when the cargo was loaded in China. The entire business plan is out the window.
CCP tried to kill us over the last 5 or so years. Payback is a b*tch. Additional tariffs just make the rubble bounce. US trade is a huge percentage of CCP discretionary wealth-probably an existential crisis. Watch Congress as the CCP owned lawmakers identify themselves. Waiting for Musk’s list of identified grifters to be released. Truly interesting times we are living in.
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U.S. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent isn’t backing down—he says delisting Chinese stocks from American exchanges is firmly “on the table.”
Such a move would trigger a wave of investor sell-offs and cut Chinese firms off from U.S. capital, likely forcing many to flee to markets like Hong Kong.
It comes as the economic war between the U.S. and China intensifies, with Beijing firing back by slapping an 84% tariff on American goods.
China, unfazed, says it’s ready to handle “any and all uncertainties” in the escalating showdown.
Video linked….
China is whistling past the graveyard. If they lose access to the American market, and American capital it will be an economic calamity for them without equal. Even the COVID pandemic will pale in comparison.
I would be concerned about another “surprise pandemic” coming from them but that would be suicide. Not even Xi was willing to cling to Zero Covid forever, and that to be frank shocked me. I can’t comment on their military with certainty, but reportedly they’re not very good at fighting. The skirmish we saw between them and India made it sound like the Chinese were afraid to die. India on the other hand has experience with Pakistan. As for our own military it is admittedly weak from DEI crap.
China doesn’t hold the cards to win the economic war with the U.S. so they’re waging a political war against the Trump administration, based on the belief that Americans are so addicted to cheap Chinese goods that the President will lose majorities in Congress after next year’s mid-term elections. If that happens, Trump will spend his last two years in office fending off impeachments from the Democrats.
We have to hang tough to make sure that doesn’t happen!
China’s intransigence is a massive opportunity for other Asian economies to pick up U.S. market share and the Trump economic team should be holding that as a carrot while negotiating tariff deals with those countries.
China’s economy, already strained from the collapse of it’s real estate market and decades of their disastrous one-child policy which is giving them one of the world’s most rapidly aging work forces, can ill-afford to lose the American market. Although only 5% of the world’s population, the U.S. represents 15% of China’s exports.
The Imperial Dragon is about to lose its fifth claw!
All this trouble got big legs back in the late Sixties when the marketeers began referring to their customers as “consumers” instead of human beings…or in the vernacular…”people.” In the elite marketeer mind, we are now in the “useless eater” stage of consumerism.