The surveillance state is an outcropping of the Fourth Branch of Government, which is, essentially, the unelected intelligence community in control of our government.
The surveillance state comes from the creation of the Dept of Homeland Security (DHS) which is an entirely inward-looking agency. Prior to the Patriot Act, the surveillance sweep searching for terror threats focused outward, looking outside the U.S borders. The Patriot Act took the surveillance sweep a full 360 degrees and looked inside the Homeland for terror threats. Hence, DHS was created.
The office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) was also created by the Patriot Act, and was specifically created as the pivot point to combine the surveillance sweeps. The Pentagon and CIA intel agencies sweeping outside the U.S. and the DHS sweeping inside the U.S.
It was the creation of The Dept of Homeland Security (DHS) that destroyed what remained of privacy protections within the constitution (4th amendment). Americans are no longer secure in their ‘papers and effects’, nor protected by the ‘probable cause’ need for warrants. The erosion of the 4th amendment was absolutely connected to the creation of DHS; there is zero doubt about this cause and effect.
With the ODNI and DHS created, the sub-silos of the surveillance state then began. The Transportation Safety Administration (TSA) is one agency within the Dept of Homeland Security that was an outcome. The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) also gained massive tools within this new system.
The key point behind all of this context is what I refer to as the ‘Surveillance State.’ American citizens have lost all privacy protections within this new system of surveillance, that has extended far beyond even what most people fathom.
When you understand the root origin of the Surveillance State, then the discussion turns to what we have accepted within its creation, and what is the current status of American Liberty as an outcome of it.
The fact that this system was weaponized by Barack Obama and Joe Biden to target their political opposition is only one aspect of this dynamic. Yes, it is a big issue, and yes what they did was horrific, corrupt and in my opinion unlawful. However, their ability to weaponize this system only existed because the domestic surveillance state was created and authorized by the legislative branch of government.
Now we are left arguing about who controls a system that should never have been authorized.
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♦ We have outlined exhaustively how Obama and Biden weaponized this surveillance system. Now, we shift to discuss the system itself against the backdrop of President Trump and our new technology MAGA allies.
All of President Trump’s cabinet and key appointments carry the same outlook toward the surveillance state. They fundamentally believe the system is needed, the DHS system holds national security value, and the capacity within the DHS system is only a problem when corrupt political operatives are in charge of it. If good, virtuous and moral people are in charge, the DHS surveillance system is okay.
I have talked to many of them, key people including Devin Nunes for perspective, and I can say directly that President Trump’s team believe the system is good and necessary, it was just controlled by bad actors.
To be clear and fair to readers, I disagree with the Trump administrations’ foundational perspective of the Surveillance State. I do not believe the system holds greater benefit than it does cost. However, that is not the primary reasoning for my opposing viewpoints.
There are two larger issues within this surveillance state. The first, is the potential weaponization of it; this is a simple matter of accepting the historic reality of it. The second issue is an issue that will surface quickly in the next few years, just as rapidly as the advances in technology that support it.
• President Trump is going to unwittingly create a ‘caste system’ within the surveillance state. He will not do so with willful, corrupt or malicious intent, rather it is an inherent problem built into any surveillance network.
There are going to be tiers of people who are not subjected to the rules of the Surveillance State. There are going to be tiers of people, powerful, influential, some intensely rich people, to whom the application of the surveillance does not exist.
I have already seen this ‘tiered’ system starting to come into place. I have witnessed firsthand the outcomes of the software being deployed within the design of their building. I have witnessed real identities masked by the system as an outcome of their status. Facial recognition programs that black out search results based on arbitrary definitions and determinations of those who control the surveillance application.
Inside the surveillance system, supported by the policy team behind President Trump, there will be classes of people. Just as we defined “essential workers” within the COVID-19 pandemic. This essential group will be classed based on their administrative value to the government operators who control the mechanics of outcomes; perhaps “essential administrators.” This is a natural outcome of the mindset behind “continuity of government,” the baseline for the Patriot Act creation.
The system to classify Americans by personage is currently being developed inside the silos of the Intelligence Community, the Dept of Homeland Security and combined with the technological creations of those who are contracted to build it – like Palantir (Peter Thiel).
Within this matrix of categorized Americans there will be those who are not subjected to the surveillance, their constitutional rights will be protected, and they will be afforded all benefit of personage. However, there will be lower classes who are continual targets for it who do not have such protection. There is no way to avoid this caste system outcome; in fact, many components of it are already in place.
[PERSONAL NOTE: Even when given the opportunity to join or align with the elite group, I decline. I am an American, of no greater or lesser value than any other American. Unfortunately, my internal compass viewpoint is not carried by those who are currently building or will operate the system. I do not fault them, for it is perhaps an expected weakness within human nature to align with those of greater benefit when the benefit can transfer to a lifestyle of greater abundance. I do however let them know they are defining their own moral compass heading. It was with this perspective I previously presented this image. I embrace my choice.]
President Trump’s unwitting authorization of the caste system within the Surveillance State will be the issue of debate in a few short years. I do not hold positive perspective on the outcome of litigation because the judicial branch has already conceded their view of liberty to those in the executive branch who hide behind the shield of “national security.”
♦ This brings me to the technology group who are creating the system unwittingly supported by President Trump. Peter Thiel (Palantir), Elon Musk (xAI, SpaceX), Larry Ellison (Oracle), David Sacks and a host of mutually aligned artificial intelligence builders stand to benefit financially from a technologically efficient Surveillance State. Their companies and their AI software products are the targeting tools within the DHS surveillance system itself. Do not be misled by their ownership of different companies within this construct, they are all mutually allied; factually, they are all friends in the same tech sector.
The tools created by Palantir et al, are multifunctional. They can be used by the Pentagon and CIA for military application, and they can be used by DNI, DHS, FBI and TSA for domestic application. Just as the Patriot Act redefined “terror threats” to begin sweeping 360 degrees, so too are the tools of the surveillance state designed for both foreign and domestic application.
There is no way to avoid being the target of a weapon once that weapon is created. However, unlike the mutually assured destruction within the nuclear analogy, there will be no threat of mutual application within the surveillance bomb.
There are going to be castes of people not subjected to the outcome of detonation; therein lies my biggest point against it.
Some are starting to awaken to this issue. I have recently seen commentator Laura Loomer begin questioning the motives of Thiel, Musk, Ellison, Ramaswamy, Sacks and crew. However, no one has yet noted the strategic insurance policy, JD Vance.
Lastly, I do not fault President Trump for this predictable outcome. Few people can fathom the scale and consequence of the big picture items that lay on the desk of President Trump.
What the technocratic team are doing in the supporting offices of the White House cannot be micromanaged by the same person who is trying to confront globalism, stop illicit trade schemes, provide national security, stop geopolitical unrest, unravel foreign wars and simultaneously prioritize the domestic dangers presented by the collapsed and borderless sovereign nation state of America.
Do you really believe President-elect Donald Trump is aware the person he announced as chief-of-staff for Pam Bondi is/was the same person used by Rod Rosenstein to construct the Robert Mueller targeting operation? Am I to believe that Chad Mizelle just had a lapse in momentary judgement, and Donald Trump knows the background of Mizelle at that critical moment in 2017. Just stop; we accept in brutally honest fashion, there are going to be a few aspects of non-winning amid the DC confrontation. President Trump cannot ‘know everything’ and simultaneously confront everything as a priority; at a certain point, even he has to trust their intents.
What I am warning about now, is something entirely predictable that is looming in the near future; like, within 18 months.
At a certain point, the financial interests of the technocratic team who helped win the 2024 election will no longer be in alignment with MAGA Americans. At that point, I have no doubt President Trump will align with our side in the just cause of liberty.
When the sh*t hits the fan and all of these connected interests’ surface, I am optimistic President Trump will support our position; I do not question that at all. However, we must accept the consequence of that non-alignment is going to make those same technocratic MAGA billionaires shift from united allies to lukewarm defenders.
Peaceniks don’t build bombs; and those who genuinely believe in liberty do not build nor support domestic surveillance networks that can be weaponized depending on who is in power.
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It would be extremely naive to think that the SS will ever be shrunk or abandoned.
Anyone who would argue that,” we’re sorry, you just have to allow us to continue to violate your Constitutional rights, it’s for your own good” is unfit for any public office, and deserves to burn in the fiery pits of Hell for time and all eternity.
At the very least, they should be expelled to whatever hellhole will take them.
Ben Franklin addressed this very clearly and correctly.
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety
we’re not worthy!
we are not worthy of anything……..not. one. single. thing. It is only by Grace through Faith in Jesus Christ that we are given anything……FEAR NOT
If you haven’t already seen this, it’s one of the best commentaries on TV’s manipulative power on our psyche.
Will the illegals that flood across the borders be exempt from this spy matrix as we’ve seen the past 4 years? It seems they can commit any horrible crime against us with immunity. Illegals have been terrorizing Americans for decades now with the blessings of this government, and since the 2020 coup has gone parabolic.
The only reason to set up this super spy state against Americans is because they know at some point they will push us too far. This gov considers its own citizens deplorable, human garbage, enemies of the state if we oppose being treated as livestock. We are less than human to them. What’s to stop them from just eliminating any of us for wrong think? Would this thug spy state think twice about a final solution if they see us as less than human?
The reality is they don’t have the numbers to control us if there is some kind of national meltdown. They arrogantly antagonize the Russians with an ill prepared military far too weak to go toe-to-toe with them. This globalist coup regime is getting their asses kicked in Ukraine, yet they have no reverse gear and push for nuclear war. Thank god Mr. Putin is containing this war and not letting it spread into a world war. It makes you wonder if there is some grand mad genius WEF plan, or is all of this just random arrogance, incompetence and desperation and they continue on this suicidal course until we are all wiped off the face of the earth?
You are correct in your thinking. What bothers me most about all the BS deceit and political class along with the so called educated elitist. This beautiful ball floating around in this lovely universe,and that for leaders is all we can muster up. don’t say much good was used for the last thirteen billion years.Crooked politicians ,and peons that just beg to be peons.I am 82 the Caboose has come over the hill and all the slack has run in,I almost home.
Will the illegals that flood across the borders be exempt from this spy matrix as we’ve seen the past 4 years?
They’re going to test the system out on the illegal immigrants.
Anyone using the CBPOne app to enter the USA is being intensely tracked.
Watch how fast the deportations get going.
Once it’s fine-tuned on the illegals, it will be turned on us.
Sundance creates great information,but I would not give trump a out. Peter Thiel and Trump Jr put j D Vance in place he will be Trumps , Brutus. Pam Bondi and the rest were placed by the deep state. Trump will do what he did with COVID warp speed BS and put Fauci a worthless bureaucrat in charge start dumping money mask lock downs ,the five years of wasted spending. Biden and the kids in the hall were idiots,but Trump opened the spending spigot. We get in these predicaments because people are afraid to say, the emperor has no clothes.Trump should talk less and listen more,but hey when you are the star of the show,you believe everything you say.There will be money made by all at the top. Why do you think big tech banks big industry and wall street are lining up at the Hog trough? We the tax pig will be stuck with the bill.
TDS much?
Reality much. I voted for him three times,but I can also think for myself.He is not god or a very good listener. There is non so blind.than those who will not see.
Yes, sadly we can not take an “If the Czar only knew” attitude. Friends, there are people who take it as their bounden duty to keep the Czar from knowing peppered throughout all FOUR branches of the government.
I, also, voted for Trump three times, but I never surrendered my own right, actually necessity, to keep my own counsel based upon the “non-pretending” aspect.
I, rather, embraced the wisdom of “Put not your faith in princes”, and this I live by.
Have heard someone say the exact same thing – they know bailouts will be coming and Trump will provide them. Another wealth transfer to the extremely wealthy.
Just a thought, if I may, and foregive me if you think I’m blackpilling – that is *Certainly* not my intent here – Rather, I wish all of you to *Consider* and *Game-Out Beyond* the possible actualities and implications of what I am about to state: – Funnily enough I realized *literally this morning*, upon waking, off the back of Sundance’s piece the other day about the kernal of billionaire tech oligarchs currently forming like Voltron around Trump admin 2.0, that the likely DOGE gameplan will play out thus: –
1) A whole bunch of public-facing Charlie Brown x Football kabuki theater vs the Congressional- and Executive-embedded deep state, with DOGE one way or the other ‘compromising’/losing.
2) In similar kabuki theater vein, a few choice bits of low hanging fruit thrown to the masses as red meat ‘easy victories’ for the sake of appearances.
3) The *Real Agenda*, meanwhile, quietly and purposefully advanced out of sight and out of mind, behind the scenes: – An ongoing build-out of the *blueprint and extant* censorship and surveillance/social control grid structure from Bush II and Obama, as revealed by the Twitter Files and covered elsewhere here by Sundance (Jack’s Coffee Shop).
-Ie: A further privatization of the *means*, in terms of outsourcing/subcontracting, of the foregoing to private corporations in conjunction with a simultaneous consolidation and retention of centralized managerial/administrative control with respect to the ends, in terms of policy(/ideology)-setting, within some federal government entity.
In turn, this .gov entity will then itself be reciprocally taking overarching marching orders from Banksters/Oligarchs, presumably by way of the K-Street feedback loop pipeline and/or, possibly, the DOGE unit itself within the Executive, backed-up, of course, by the already existing IC influence network in Congress and other elements of the Executive, as previously and extensively discussed by Sundance.
…- Yes, yes… – I *know* that DOGE’s *advertised* mission is transparency and cutting .gov waste, and I truly hope to God I’m wrong about the above, but I believe that it is *precisely* under the rubric (and cover) of this dual mission that such a Corporocratic (see: Fascist, per Mussolini’s classic definition) ‘privatization’/outsourcing will be sold to us all, if indeed it ever bears a mention in the public-square media at all.
I tried to make reason with all this and I can’t, it’s not possible. The power hungry gluttons are embedded and they share like minds with Trump. I was hoping this was not going to happen but it’s going to. It has to be torn apart, completely.
My hope is in Musk, Charlie Kirk, Vivek, that order. Musk will do what is necessary without any regrets or empathy. Kirk, will amass an army, Vivek has excellent ideas on how to implement.
Personal EMPs can be used to destroy small sections at a time.
Get ready/ The excuse crisis is coming. Trump and Biden’s Really stupid approach to COVID and the mass spending that ensued. has now put us in extreme dire straights, with this massive debt.Their fix will be when it collapses,will be CBDC ,enter Thiel. Musk ,Victor Ramaswamy. and the surveillance state. Trump as per usual,I was ill advised on these clowns.
You hit the nail on the head.It is a show and we will get the bill for it’s production.I voted for Trump three times. Trump will play dumb,but Trump was the producer.
I *know* that DOGE’s *advertised* mission is transparency and cutting .gov waste, and I truly hope to God I’m wrong about the above, but I believe that it is *precisely* under the rubric (and cover) of this dual mission that such a Corporocratic (see: Fascist, per Mussolini’s classic definition) ‘privatization’/outsourcing will be sold to us all, if indeed it ever bears a mention in the public-square media at all.
Yup! Why do we think all of the billionaires are suddenly “coming over” to Trump?
DOGE will achieve at best only what the Deep State/Blob allows it to accomplished via their owned CONgress.
Can Elon and Vivek Lead Us to a More Efficient Government?
Not with Congress unwilling to give up money and power.
25 Nov 2024
https://keithlehmann.substack.com/p/can-elon-and-vivek-lead-us-to-a-more
NO, just like the advisory group under Reagan where he specifically asked them to “drain the swamp,” something which they obviously didn’t achieve.
Like all governments in History,we will fail. The ruling class will flee leaving the peons to starve clean up the mess and after years start a new government. Then the Leach class will return worm their way back into power,then back to the same ending. But one day the Lord will return , then we will see the scumbags get their ashes kicked.I will get bruised but boy am i going to enjoy that mass ass kicking.These sht birds will scramble for a rock to hide under, Knowing these greedy clowns they will be renting out rocks.
I think DOGE is unconstitutional. How can 2 guys appointed by a President change what Congress passed and a President signed? To be able to do so means we’ve become a dictatorship.
Well, what are YOU doing here?
You know the topics discussed. There is no pretending at this Treehouse.
Why didn’t YOU choose to take the day off and stop by tomorrow?
The first thing news junkies must do: admit you have a problem not reading the news and commentaries.
TROLL ! Summon the gatekeeper please . That post was uncalled for .
Ike warned us. In respinsecto the fixed election in 1960 it manifested in Dallas in 63. In the 1950s, we foolishly believed, provided we could counter balance communism our social, political & economic ride would roll on. That ride is over.
There was no stopping the industrial revolution, there’s no stopping technology. The headwinds are break neck. Certainly DT made a deal with the new barons. Every Trump deal has fixed & variable points.Protecting his agenda straddles that line. His intent is to execute it. If we can’t trust Trump, we can’t trust anyone. Either we harness the technology or it harnesses us.
True, you can’t stop it, but like the Amish, you don’t have to take part in it.
You also don’t have to eat.
You CAN eat and still reject “the system”. It’s just a lot of hard work with zero conveniences.
yes………
totally agree with this one! Bravo!! Did you hear this everyone. Take heed
I can’t help but be reminded that the coming Antichrist, the End of Days figure, will be someone known and loved by a huge number of people at that time.
Sorry, to be a downer, but the global government is coming as per the Bible, and the set up for it continues.
Someone like Elon….?
“Someone like Elon”
could use alot more PRAYING for him and alot leads PREING on him reactions…?
Ditto President Trump, everyone who has publicly aligned themselves with him plus all of those less public imperfects who consider themselves to also be one of PDJTs supporters?
What exactly did you mean by this post? Can you please restate it?
Don’t talk to me dipshit.
“as per the bible”
as per an after Sunday communion dream about what happens before Christs Return; a dream which the dreamer wrote down and those who compiled the bible (long after Christ left) decided, after much debate, to include rather than exclude?
The bible =/= The Koran
God inspired or God revealing words =/= God dictated word-for-word words
That is a fact…it’s going to happen. We just don’t know when.
I have ALWAYS kept this thought in the front of my mind. It says it right there in the Bible…….”many will be deceived” Trust no one. Only the Lord
It is a complicated matter because first one has to get elected. Musk, Thiel, Bobby, Tulsi, and softening on abortion all contributed to the defeat of Marxism.
’63 was never economic; it was interagency and personal. Kennedy earned every bit of it. He pissed off the wrong people.
Sundance doesn’t mention the role of google, facebook, microsoft, and apple in the surveillance state.
Your fancy iPhones and androids are nothing more than spy tools because they have embedded AI that could rat you out. The AI is there to rummage through your phone and computer BEFORE and AFTER content is transmitted across the internet encrypted. End-to-end encryption is irrelevant!
You can reduce your exposure by 90% by getting a privacy phone and replacing your computer with one that runs Linux.
Your choice. Be a rube or not. My guess is most people are too lazy to make the extra effort. Visit Rob Braxman on youtube to get some ideas.
What about those of us like me for whom it may be too late?
I have been politically involved for decades and my real name is all over the internet if you were to do a search.
As it stands now, if you put in my name you can find out a lot of important info about me. And I’m not the only one.
I think at this point, there’s nothing I can do to gain back my anonymity. I just hope I am such small potatoes, so unimportant the Big Brother doesn’t care about me.
I joined Facebook years ago to be able to chat with family, and then I noticed a bio tab on my homepage. It was showing every single place I had traveled to, and those travels took place at least 10 years before I even joined Facebook! The only way they could have known of those travels, was through an email account I used to purchase plane tickets. That was the lesson to leave!
“That was the lesson to leave”.
Fwiw…..
Like ” Hotel California” no one who checked in ever leaves.
NOTHING can be erased.
ANYTHING connected to the internet, even if the device is turned off, is making sound, visual and geo location recordings of EVERYTHING 24/7.
Which is why the whole Regime Medias narrative about Hillary being able to destroy subpoenaed emails was such an obvious normie soothing lie.
And why that normie soothing PsyOp lie was greeted with such mocking disdain by tech savvy denizens on 2016 era 4 chan and 8 chan.
And why President Elect Trumps 2016 New Years Eve remarks about NEVER communicating privately via email/computer triggered such a huge negative response by all of The Regimes Media puppets.
I am God’s.
For instance this android device I am typing on, continuosly asks me to enable my location tracker. I refuse to so do. It is quite amusing when I sometimes get rubbish for a location over 200 miles away.
My ‘very smart’ phone is a cheap burner phone for texting and calls.
There are simple ways to frustrate big brother – I know I cannot avoid him completely just make the bugger work for his bread.
Can anyone confirm that contact lenses can frustrate the iris machine in European airports?
As usual Sundance is way ahead of the game on this invaluable site. Thank you Sir.
Linux is just not practical for the masses, it takes thousands of hours to learn enough to deal with the myriad challenges of making it work with the rest of the tech ecosystem. Few people can put that much time and effort into it.
Incomplete/erroneous “documentation” by Linux bros in forums? Only a noob is hindered by that. No driver for that printer? Write your own, you noob! It’s easy! (/sarc)
Do you think that a “privacy phone” is not also compromised by Big Brother?
Be afraid. Be super duper afraid.
Or…..
heed the bibles warnings, choose to be WITH Him while on this journey here AND fear NOT.
Fight the good fight. Trust only Jesus. You will loose the fight, but gain the victory in Jesus.
The technocrats only have to wait until Vance ’28. Why fight for something now when you can wait a few short years and simply take it?
I’d wager that the bills have already been drafted, along with the EOs and federal regulations, to make all this happen.
I don’t know why the first paragraph doesn’t show as a quote. It’s from SD’s original post.
“our side”
???
Fear == Death Cult temptation bait
Man is sinful. This we know…there is no way to not push back against a cast system that does not treat all people equally (…all men are created equal)
Remember???
Highly troubling and concerning. Freedom loving Americans must insist on guard rails through laws protecting our privacy.
We have long had a caste system, perhaos from day one.
There are a bunch of people, who don’t have to go thru TSA mauling, in order to fly; all those who fly on private jets.
I bet John Kerry, for instance has never been thru the molestation gauntlet.
They don’t know the price of milk, because they don’t care; they “have it done”.
Anf the reality is, most people don’t know enough, or care enough, to try to do all the stuff you would have to do, to truly secure their privacy
against these intrusions.
And, how many “encrypted” apps have turned out to not be as secure as they were originally billed?
There is NO SUCH THING as secure electronic communications anymore, digest that fact, improvise and overcome we can do nothing else.
An unfounded, knee jerk reaction? Have you ever heard of the PGP app?
“An unfounded knee jerk reaction”
Self disclosing yet perhaps still to pride full to know it yet?
re: “And, how many “encrypted” apps have turned out to not be as secure as they were originally billed?”
Has PGP (PGP app) been compromised? Its open source, so, researchers and programmers can look under the hood and inspect the code for themselves …
Trust the experts?
They say this “app” is safe from Big Bros prying eyes so that means it is?
Just because there may be a caste system does not make it right, good, or American. As Americans, we should be pushing back against such a system…or resign ourselves to losing our freedom. Not what our fore fathers intended or fought for.
created equal == created uniquely different yet no matter how unequally created still equally Loved by The Creator
treat equally == Love equally despite each unique individuals vast unequal differences; differences that include past and present words and deeds.
“Insist on guard rails” ie “laws protecting…privacy”
Insist on maintaining a modern Death Cult illusion rather than embracing Reality and Realitys Creator?
I’m sure you knew what you thought you were attempting to communicate in this post………please try again it translates as a word salad.
Holy Cats!
Sundance!!
This information is red hot!
My ISP provider keeps pushing me out of your site.
Stay safe, MAGA Brother, and coach us on our next moves.
👊👊❤️❤️🙏🏻🙏🏻🇺🇸🇺🇸
Having the same issue. 😡
They are jamming me up..
You might wish to consider using a VPN. I have had excellent results with Swiss based, privacy oriented Proton VPN.
Don’t expect it to keep you 100% secure from .gov spying, but it should help with issues like you describe.
You can learn more here:
https://protonvpn.com/
You need a new ISP, fast.
Link to Rumble video in which television “Homeland” star explains US Intel partnered with journalists. Note how the host, Colbert, handles where his guest, the star of “Homeland” was going:
https://rumble.com/v62n95k-homeland-star-explains-us-intel-partnered-with-journalists.html
Homeland was a series worth watching – though clearly restrained by The Powers That (Should Not) Be, it did not fully sugarcoat the see eye aye’s general pathology.
It ran during both the administrations of the Obammunist and PDJT. It went wildly political during the latter to paint a character meant to represent PDJT as a dictator (in skirts, because they were stuck with a female Presidential character from the previous season when the writers all assumed a Hilliary win).
From the context this interview was clearly after PDJT was in office.
Looks to me like Clair Danes, actress in the bubble, was tickled pink at the idea she had picked up from the spook consultants – that the see eye aye was working against real-life PDJT and using journalists for their dirty work.
Too bad Colbert sniffed her out before her video became a viral tell-tale at the time. That hammer really came down in a hurry!
Based on a recent book I read with a deep look into that very thing within Communist China, and previous historical references in the DDR, and the functionality and application of surveillance, I believe you are right. President Trump in the Oval Office doesn’t wash clean the human characteristics that inevitably weaponize it. It will happen. They literally can’t help themselves.
This is an intense and prescient article and one of the reasons I link to Last Refuge every day I can and donate occasionally.
One of the proposed Trump Cabinet members that might have an in depth and critical view of the “surveillance state’s” evil is Tulsi Gabbard.
(Note You Tube’s aggravating request to allegedly ensure you are not a Bot seems like a surveillance tactic to gain home phone numbers and/or e-mails etc to document them (and possibly pass on info about who is watching certain videos or just to add to the vast labyrinth of info on people)
My simple analogy:
To fix a septic tank that’s not working, you must clean out the septic tank … it is a guarantee it will be disgusting – you will get filthy & smelly … but … if done correctly, the septic tank will work again.
DC is the septic tank … and the RINO-RAT-UniParty have clogged it up with death, dependency, deviancy and destruction.
My prayer:
Dear God, please guide President Trump during this massive cleanup for the needed fix. Amen.
God made this election happen I have faith He will never leave us. His Word says so.
I will keep on praying and walk in His light
Um they have been spying on the public since Ma Bell. Also, did you know that it’s legal for women to own smartphones. And you were worried about the government lolol
They have been opening mail and listening in pubs for a lot longer than that. As the net was built to route around damage, the prudent citizen routes communication around Government, and any other adversaries.
Sensitive communication, at any rate.
A scary comment I read a few days ago (paraphrased) – anyone who thinks the FBI only started paying attention to bathhouses due to Bathhouse Barry, are clueless … that hit me like a bolt !!!
Bathhouses are the perfect location to identify future, 100% controllable politicians, attorneys, district attorneys, judges, etc … just like Obama & Mooch … marry them off and pass them off as regular people & couples … to me that now clarifies the explosion of RINO & RAT traitors in Government … and not just bathhouse attendees, but “honey-pot” victims as well … like Epstein & Diddy EVERYTHING is filmed.
Excellent observation.
None of the illegal surveillance would be possible if we had a legitimate Supreme Court!
If the Supreme Court would just tell the Death Cult psychopaths they can’t do these bad things any more then they’ll stop doing them?
Better laws, prosecutors and judges will save us from evil doers?
Reality disconnected naivete on Christmas Day.
One; a lawsuit any kind of law suit needs someone the plaintiff to begin it’s years long way to the Supreme Court.
Two; all lawsuits need money to pay the lawyers printing costs filing fees law clerks and para legals etc.
Three; that money comes from either the plaintiff or a non profit legal organization. It’s hundreds of thousands to get to a Supreme Court hearing.
Four; the conservative non profits are only interested in labor Union destruction, Israel, unchecked immigration to raise the cost of housing and bring down wages lower taxes for corporations and the very very rich and their only success abortion.
Five; unlike county state and below the Supreme Court judges who must accept every case filed in their jurisdictions.
Six; The Supreme Court can refuse to accept the case. The SC refuses far more cases than it accepts.
Conservatives have been losing since I was born. The very same year of the communist school desegregation case Brown vs Topeka.
Regarding AI surveillance and the companies involved, I think most of these CEOs and founders are just looking for contracts to sell their products. I don’t think they are looking at the ethical issues involved….I mean can they all be nefarious George Soroses ?
Money is the new god.
“Money is the new god”
a very, very, very old “new god”.
” There’s nothing new under the sun”.
Just changes in superficialities ie costumes and props.
Yes … especially if they are hired, paid & controlled by Soros.
So well stated, Sundance.
The Military Industrial Complex(MIC) cleverly morphed into the Military Industrial Technology Complex(MITC).
What is old, has become new.
There was a second “complex” that Eisenhower warned the public about in his farewell address: The Government – Science Complex.
Gattaca
I am a real boy but in order to survive I become outlaw boy
THIS IS ULTIMATELY WHAT A SECRET POLICE SPY STATE FORCES.
*Not to mention the 99% of “the rest” who will not even attempt to put up even a small argument.
I’m not going gently.
Ever
God Bless America
Also, Minority Report.
So glad you pointed this out. Lots of good folks might not believe it coming from others.
I need more farady cloth……..
Trump might be praying Saint Augustine’s prayer: ‘O Lord make me pure… but not yet!’
President Trump is wise enough by now to allow God to work with him and through him as much as possible plus to pray the words Christ taught His followers to say, “They will be done” (NOT mine) rather than repeating Augustine’s famously silly request.
Btw, everyone is imperfect so definitely not dissing Augustine’s for being far from perfect.
Please may someone close to him be reading this. Amen.
Drop them now! Be done with it!
Yes, very unfortunate reality. Nunes’ position is disappointing, regrettable and unconstitutional. However, perhaps it’s based more on the practical need for powerful support against entrenched power and hopefully less in lack of appreciation for the vital importance of privacy to human freedom.
In any event, our choice is to resist. That requires education and action. I advocate the following:
– Avoid IPhone 16 at all cost;
– Avoid MacOS and Windows 11 at all cost;
– Avoid Smart TV’s using Google TV (I use my smart tv in dumb tv mode);
– Avoid Amazon Echo and all similar listening devices;
– Avoid buying cars manufactured after 2018;
– Avoid internet of things devices, esp cameras.
– Do not use social media, especially Facebook and Twitter;
– Closely monitor and control your children’s access to the internet, most especially keep them as far as possible from “AI companions.” This is quickly becoming treacherous territory. Recognize that AI will be critical to the future but will strip every bit of privacy, and this knowledge will be used for psychological control.
– Enable every privacy preserving option you can find for all devices, email, browsers, OS’s.
– To the extent you can, resist the temptation of convenience over privacy.
Commit to learning everything you can on internet privacy. Hands down best source of info for those with moderate tech skill is Youtube Rob Braxman but there are many excellent videos on this and a growing community of people who are concerned.
There is most definitely an urgent need for people to learn how to protect themselves from what’s coming with AI. And gov will NEVER be able to resist the temptation to use it.
A scenario is that the tech billionaires will wait Trump out, and take over MAGA through Vance during the next term.. considering the Dems are imploding and likely won’t be ready for 2028. It won’t be a Marxist takeover the Dems want, just a dystopian cast system SD purported.
The other scenario is, as greed and egos would have it, the tech billionaires will split and fight each other. That’ll lead to a messy resolution and a continuation of the struggle that will take a generation or so.
I think the second scenario is more likely and things will settle when AI will mature and will grow / replicate on its own. 2060s maybe? The world will be a different place then…
Privacy will exist just under different forms, deeper in the “matrix” let’s just call it for now.
I agree with you Sundance. The caste system has been in full swing since the Patriot Act. Those who are labeled Protectors of National Security get a pass. Those who were on the original Restricted Persons list included many unaware Americans that had zero ties to terrorism, and yet they were tagged as potential threats without probable cause. Now you’re a threat if only Simon says so!
The best example I can think of are all those who showed up on January 6th. They are forever labeled/tagged as potential threats to national security. It’s not just the ability to go after supposed political enemies that’s the problem, it’s the conditioning that is happening to get our youth to accept that Big Brother is like Santa who knows when you are sleeping and knows when you’re awake. Oh, and AI knows when you’ve been bad or good (according to the current administration’s dictates) so be good for goodness sake!
The Bible declares a house divided cannot stand.
Neither can a divided mind function when society flips a switch and the thought police now tell you to believe and behave in a way that was disallowed a few months ago…
I believe they are courting insanity in the name of national security. For sure they are training us not to think at all. That’s a pill I’m not willing to swallow.
Well thanks sundance,
You have effectively disabused me of any irrational exuberance with regards to retribution after reading your tweets from today. Patel and Bondi are information managers and will work to protect the DC system.
And Trump doesn’t care about the surveillance state or individual liberties and will, in fact, make things worse.
About the best we can expect is a four year lull in the ability of DC to screw with us. After that, all bets are off.
Hardest hit is the Bannon band of merry losers (Kirk, Posobiac, War Room, and others) that keep pushing the #batteredMAGAsyndrome bullshi& on us that there will be retribution for the past 8 years.
I am reminded of a quote by Henry Kissinger –
“What is illegal we do immediately – what is unconstitutional – takes a little longer”.
I’m not sure what changes by the incoming administration might accrue to the benefit of the American people? concurrent with the rapidly embedded influence of VP Musk and his “surveillance state” cronies ( e.g. Thiel/Ellison/Andreesen et al ) we might have expected? Other than none.
An actual increase in the further encroachment of the “technocracy”, and all that it implies.
I just heard an interview by a guy named David Icke and SD’s post in again timely. Icke warned at length of this exact influence that SD has just highlighted. Icke also mentioned the co-opting of guys like the oft maligned “Alex Jones” character by Musk et al, and how he also has seemingly fallen under the sway of Elon Musk as being a “savior” of “free speech”. Jones even went on to say recently how Jones himself would sign up for a Neuralink brain chip, if he needed it after an accident to restore mobility. The upside v downside to technology. The never ending debate.
I have never for a moment “trusted” the intent of Elon Musk. Musk owes his success and continuing expansion to our government and by extension the “DS”, through his DoD contracts – and his thousands of Earthlink ( Earthlink/Neuralink?! ) satellites what are they?
They are “SKYNET”.
Unironically listening to Icke in 2024?
😂 😂 😂
“Unironically listening to Icke in 2024?”
Yes. An interesting fellow with some insight. Insight, I am certain you are incapable of. As evidenced by your gratuitously inane comment.
God resists the proud.
Hopefully you are not misled into believing that Jesus is coming to rescue a few and then blowing up the rest…or worse, thinking it is your faith that saves you, and all who do not believe in Jesus will be damned to a non existent hell.
Salvation belongs to God, and He was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their sins to them. This is the good news of great joy that is the message of Christmas. God’s will, plan and unchangeable purpose is to be God with mankind. We/you/they have been reconciled. Live life accordingly.
The system was turned inward long before the mis-named Patriot Act. Read James Bamford’s The Puzzle Palace. The NSA has been monitoring domestic landline telephone since the 70s. They’ve simply evolved as the technology evolved.
And Russia Russia Russia didn’t start with Fusion GPS. James Jesus Angleton, under Allen Dulles’ CIA, found a Russian under every bed, while missing the greatest breach of his day, Kim Philby.
The system was FUBAR since day one, and likely by design.
Yes, James Bamford’s Shadow Factory was also a good one for exposing their agenda. So, what is going to be different now if our economy is reliant on this terrifying new technology?
Only the true God knows, but a showdown is acomin’ between freedom of the soul and freedom of the purse. That, I’m quite sure of.
What is your definition of freedom?
Father God…please do YOUR work in and through this situation! We know TRUE FREEDOM is only found in YOU! Please help us! AMEN
Why is it most {not all} rich people can’t see past the dollar sign and think its the answer to all problems. Perhaps its because all their problems are eliminated with money. Then there’s the ‘only the bad actors’ use it wrong. Well, of course, we all understand there will be no bad actors now or later be part of the Trump teams or replaced in the future. This administration is not shaping into a MAGA agenda.
Back to the hills …
Do not comply .
every single dept. needs to be abolished, they are NOT in the Constitution and hence are unconstitutional.
if they got jfk, they will get trump, but this time it will be a close aide, no snipers at a distance….some one willing to take him out for the good of the deep state and the new world order….some one the anti-christ will choose.
100% correct Sundance.
Technology is the Tower of Babel.
It’s good to learn not to be reliant on it. Not a simple task.
Yes, the human desire to be God rather than trust and serve Him.
Per Sundance: “I do not fault them, for it is perhaps an expected weakness within human nature to align with those of greater benefit when the benefit can transfer to a lifestyle of greater abundance.” Emphasis added.
Human weakness/lifestyle of greater abundance = grifters
And thus shall it always be in this life.
Amen.
This is why, when presented with emotion/heart poisoning temptations, I’m focused on becoming better at reacting to such temptations by preying for the people mentioned rather than by preying on them in order to avoid poisoning myself and others.
Auto check correction edit:
PRAYING for rather than PREYING on.
CAPS added in edit just for lighthearted grrrrs and giggles
Not sure why Nunes is a close Trump aide – he never impressed me when he was in Congress – never seemed to follow thru with his threats to expose the Russiagate scam – more Tery Gowdy/Jim Jordan kabuki crap.
World View matters a lot in a nation under God.
God is in charge of all of this. Remember, DO NOT FEAR. Don’t worry about anything, it is in the hands of the creator.
No matter who is in office it would seem that the tree of liberty still needs watering.
The is an unstated element to the rationale that created DHS and ODNI.
The report on the 9/11 attack cited legalities that prohibited the integration and cooperation of the different INTEL SILOS within the US Government. The 9/11 Attack was the pretext for the integration and subsequent reorientation of those silos … to support and integrate surveillance inside US Borders as well as outside.
There was already a system of liaison between the silos to alert US Law Enforcement as well as request assistance in apprehensions (and/or deportations) if needed…however, the INTEL COULD NOT be shared.
Besides all the different versions of who conducted, allowed and coordinated the attack … it cannot be overlooked that there were powers within the DoJ/FBI and INTEL communities who were participating to change the LAW regarding the domestic use and integration of INTEL with domestic law enforcement.
As Sundance states .. the effort before 2008 was to create. In my opinion, the actors who created the apparatus put democrats into power after 2008 as their puppets who were used to orient as well as refine the aim and sharpen the process vs specific targets.
The reason the Deep State aligns more closely with the fascist-communist elements of the wacko democrat party is that these elements and the people who vote for them are the easiest to use and manipulate as well as more trust worthy to actually carry the actions needed to enable CONTROL by the puppet masters.
Republican Uni-party members do crave wealth but cannot always be trusted because wealth will come no matter who is pulling the strings … the democrats are fine with who ever pulls their strings as long as they are FINANCIALLY rewarded and get to EXERT power … a most symbiotic relationship.
Note the democrats also understand not to get too uppity … because the puppet masters can destroy them and remove them from seats controlling the levers of power. The democrat politicians exerting power know they are not the final authority and that they get to pull the levers while being puppets following orders.
Musk and the new technocrat generation (who are among the richest and brightest in the world) are now attempting to join the puppet master ranks via President Trump. The following is not going to be easy to swallow … President Trump may actually be trying to put sympathetic puppet masters into the top of the global puppet master financial entity.
“The reason the Deep State aligns more closely with the fascist-communist elements of the wacko democrat party is that these elements and the people who vote for them are the easiest to use and manipulate as well as more trust worthy to actually carry the actions needed to enable CONTROL by the puppet masters.” – thedoc00
So obvious once its stated in this manner, well said.
I’ve often thought these puppet masters are really good at using the good cop bad cop routine.
It’s surreal that this piece (so true) is followed by, ‘The People Who Walked In Darkness Have Seen a Great Light‘.
The FISA warrants in the Patriot Act need to be modified to ‘No Americans’, Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. The USA Justice system doesn’t do anything about China spying anyways.
‘Spy Games: Chinese operatives arrested in California and Guam as espionage concerns rise’
https://justthenews.com/nation/states/center-square/chinese-spies-arrested-california
The problem is not that our data are acquired, it is how our data are used. The last three or four administrations (Bushes, Clintons, Obamas, and Bidens) have used our data against us. We’ll see how our MAGA group uses it. The surveillance system is much like our Constitution in that it is most effective when honest, God-fearing people are in charge.
“Lastly, I do not fault President Trump for this predictable outcome. Few people can fathom the scale and consequence of the big picture items that lay on the desk of President Trump.” UNDERSTATEMENT!
Sundance’s statement is one reason, perhaps another is AI may just be the hammer to break down silos and silo-ed information. Perhaps President Trump’s trojan horse is his technocrat financiers and the president’s influence gained into the systems?
If AI is used as a tool that unmasks the shadow figures and agendas………sunlight takes care of a lot. Evil actors/actions are always in the shadows or in the dark….exposed all their weaknesses show.
One possibility is watching for others who may have the courage of Laura Loomer to speak early on, and helping to amplify their messages.
Raheem Kassan, for example, was onto Susie *Wiles as of last summer and made no bones about it.
And here he is at Amfest speaking the reality about the lobbyists who write the bills (the reality I first learned here). I listen to quite a few of the alt-right and no one else even uttered the word “lobbyists” during the CR battle, unless, of course, I simply missed it.
*By the way, does anybody else see Susie’s last name as startlingly descriptive?
https://x.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1870335485257658803
Maybe the one chance we have is for something from Obama/Biden era truly sinister to be revealed- perhaps the full truth of J6, or the two attempts on Trump’s life- resulting in a massive shock to the system. Perhaps only then will the desire for privacy rights outweigh fear?
But I don’t see this “too big to fail” attitude changing anytime soon…
It seems Skynet has been turned on.
In 1917, over a century ago, President Wilson assembled a group of scholars that led to the League of Nations, the forerunner of the UN.
The group would soon morph into the Council of Foreign Relations that would ‘guide government policy’ in the way the financiers and businesses wanted towards international group power. (think Uniparty Congress memberships in CFR)
Then in 1973 came The Trilateral Commission, like the CFR, they distrusted public opinion preferring technocratic control (control by technical experts) with government control on information. A consolidation of appointed experts in the executive branch, unelected but with governmental power, was a cornerstone to corporate control.
They have been diligently pursuing this control over the people through government for a long time. The dismantling seems a daunting task.
They forget our God-given rights were enshrined in the Constitution.
If they choose to continue on a path to erode our rights reminiscent of the arrogance of Nimrod’s Tower of Babel, they may meet the same fate.
God will not be mocked.
An interesting irony about Woodrow Wilson: He married a young woman from Rome, Georgia where none other than Marjorie Taylor Greene comes from! And he briefly practiced law in Atlanta before becoming president. When in Atlanta he met Alexander King who he made Solicitor General of his administration. Who is King? One of the founding partners of the white shoe law firm that Kash Patel called out in his speech to CPAC in February 2024 (see below).
Because long ago I was associated with this firm, I was gifted a biography of Griffin Bell, the managing partner of the firm for many years and Jimmy Carter’s Attorney General when FISA was passed and implemented.
On page 191 it says Bell thought his most significant responsibility was to give the department back it’s dignity and responsibility after the Saturday Night Massacre. The book makes clear that he felt like the FBI and CIA had been wrongly blamed and humiliated for Nixon’s crimes. When he returned to the firm he brought an affinity for the intelligence community that has obviously endured until today. They were all aboard for the legislative changes after 9/11.
Now Kash will likely replace Wray and do his best to clean up the mess left behind from the intentional abuses of FISA and the machinations of a law firm with ties to Woodrow Wilson.
Maybe God is laughing at those who were mocking Him! (Psalm 2:1-4)
Well I’m not letting anyone off the hook including Trump for this unconstitutional ai caste system bull sht. How can he still not know things Sundance knows?
A pox on them all and all their elite offspring.
I have no patience left for bad cabinet picks and stupid moves that erode our liberty.
Good to know that nothing actual Americans voted for will happen. We continue to be plagued by these foreigners whether illegal or legal.
Hope the Hillbilly, the Indian, the White African and their daddy Theil are all repaid in full for the damage they do to this country which is only Great because we are free.
Merry Christmas.