The surveillance state is an outcropping of the Fourth Branch of Government, which is, essentially, the unelected intelligence community in control of our government.
The surveillance state comes from the creation of the Dept of Homeland Security (DHS) which is an entirely inward-looking agency. Prior to the Patriot Act, the surveillance sweep searching for terror threats focused outward, looking outside the U.S borders. The Patriot Act took the surveillance sweep a full 360 degrees and looked inside the Homeland for terror threats. Hence, DHS was created.
The office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) was also created by the Patriot Act, and was specifically created as the pivot point to combine the surveillance sweeps. The Pentagon and CIA intel agencies sweeping outside the U.S. and the DHS sweeping inside the U.S.
It was the creation of The Dept of Homeland Security (DHS) that destroyed what remained of privacy protections within the constitution (4th amendment). Americans are no longer secure in their ‘papers and effects’, nor protected by the ‘probable cause’ need for warrants. The erosion of the 4th amendment was absolutely connected to the creation of DHS; there is zero doubt about this cause and effect.
With the ODNI and DHS created, the sub-silos of the surveillance state then began. The Transportation Safety Administration (TSA) is one agency within the Dept of Homeland Security that was an outcome. The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) also gained massive tools within this new system.
The key point behind all of this context is what I refer to as the ‘Surveillance State.’ American citizens have lost all privacy protections within this new system of surveillance, that has extended far beyond even what most people fathom.
When you understand the root origin of the Surveillance State, then the discussion turns to what we have accepted within its creation, and what is the current status of American Liberty as an outcome of it.
The fact that this system was weaponized by Barack Obama and Joe Biden to target their political opposition is only one aspect of this dynamic. Yes, it is a big issue, and yes what they did was horrific, corrupt and in my opinion unlawful. However, their ability to weaponize this system only existed because the domestic surveillance state was created and authorized by the legislative branch of government.
Now we are left arguing about who controls a system that should never have been authorized.
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— Defiant L’s (@DefiantLs) December 25, 2024
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♦ We have outlined exhaustively how Obama and Biden weaponized this surveillance system. Now, we shift to discuss the system itself against the backdrop of President Trump and our new technology MAGA allies.
All of President Trump’s cabinet and key appointments carry the same outlook toward the surveillance state. They fundamentally believe the system is needed, the DHS system holds national security value, and the capacity within the DHS system is only a problem when corrupt political operatives are in charge of it. If good, virtuous and moral people are in charge, the DHS surveillance system is okay.
I have talked to many of them, key people including Devin Nunes for perspective, and I can say directly that President Trump’s team believe the system is good and necessary, it was just controlled by bad actors.
To be clear and fair to readers, I disagree with the Trump administrations’ foundational perspective of the Surveillance State. I do not believe the system holds greater benefit than it does cost. However, that is not the primary reasoning for my opposing viewpoints.
There are two larger issues within this surveillance state. The first, is the potential weaponization of it; this is a simple matter of accepting the historic reality of it. The second issue is an issue that will surface quickly in the next few years, just as rapidly as the advances in technology that support it.
• President Trump is going to unwittingly create a ‘caste system’ within the surveillance state. He will not do so with willful, corrupt or malicious intent, rather it is an inherent problem built into any surveillance network.
There are going to be tiers of people who are not subjected to the rules of the Surveillance State. There are going to be tiers of people, powerful, influential, some intensely rich people, to whom the application of the surveillance does not exist.
I have already seen this ‘tiered’ system starting to come into place. I have witnessed firsthand the outcomes of the software being deployed within the design of their building. I have witnessed real identities masked by the system as an outcome of their status. Facial recognition programs that black out search results based on arbitrary definitions and determinations of those who control the surveillance application.
Inside the surveillance system, supported by the policy team behind President Trump, there will be classes of people. Just as we defined “essential workers” within the COVID-19 pandemic. This essential group will be classed based on their administrative value to the government operators who control the mechanics of outcomes; perhaps “essential administrators.” This is a natural outcome of the mindset behind “continuity of government,” the baseline for the Patriot Act creation.
The system to classify Americans by personage is currently being developed inside the silos of the Intelligence Community, the Dept of Homeland Security and combined with the technological creations of those who are contracted to build it – like Palantir (Peter Thiel).
Within this matrix of categorized Americans there will be those who are not subjected to the surveillance, their constitutional rights will be protected, and they will be afforded all benefit of personage. However, there will be lower classes who are continual targets for it who do not have such protection. There is no way to avoid this caste system outcome; in fact, many components of it are already in place.
[PERSONAL NOTE: Even when given the opportunity to join or align with the elite group, I decline. I am an American, of no greater or lesser value than any other American. Unfortunately, my internal compass viewpoint is not carried by those who are currently building or will operate the system. I do not fault them, for it is perhaps an expected weakness within human nature to align with those of greater benefit when the benefit can transfer to a lifestyle of greater abundance. I do however let them know they are defining their own moral compass heading. It was with this perspective I previously presented this image. I embrace my choice.]
President Trump’s unwitting authorization of the caste system within the Surveillance State will be the issue of debate in a few short years. I do not hold positive perspective on the outcome of litigation because the judicial branch has already conceded their view of liberty to those in the executive branch who hide behind the shield of “national security.”
♦ This brings me to the technology group who are creating the system unwittingly supported by President Trump. Peter Thiel (Palantir), Elon Musk (xAI, SpaceX), Larry Ellison (Oracle), David Sacks and a host of mutually aligned artificial intelligence builders stand to benefit financially from a technologically efficient Surveillance State. Their companies and their AI software products are the targeting tools within the DHS surveillance system itself. Do not be misled by their ownership of different companies within this construct, they are all mutually allied; factually, they are all friends in the same tech sector.
The tools created by Palantir et al, are multifunctional. They can be used by the Pentagon and CIA for military application, and they can be used by DNI, DHS, FBI and TSA for domestic application. Just as the Patriot Act redefined “terror threats” to begin sweeping 360 degrees, so too are the tools of the surveillance state designed for both foreign and domestic application.
There is no way to avoid being the target of a weapon once that weapon is created. However, unlike the mutually assured destruction within the nuclear analogy, there will be no threat of mutual application within the surveillance bomb.
There are going to be castes of people not subjected to the outcome of detonation; therein lies my biggest point against it.
Some are starting to awaken to this issue. I have recently seen commentator Laura Loomer begin questioning the motives of Thiel, Musk, Ellison, Ramaswamy, Sacks and crew. However, no one has yet noted the strategic insurance policy, JD Vance.
Lastly, I do not fault President Trump for this predictable outcome. Few people can fathom the scale and consequence of the big picture items that lay on the desk of President Trump.
What the technocratic team are doing in the supporting offices of the White House cannot be micromanaged by the same person who is trying to confront globalism, stop illicit trade schemes, provide national security, stop geopolitical unrest, unravel foreign wars and simultaneously prioritize the domestic dangers presented by the collapsed and borderless sovereign nation state of America.
Do you really believe President-elect Donald Trump is aware the person he announced as chief-of-staff for Pam Bondi is/was the same person used by Rod Rosenstein to construct the Robert Mueller targeting operation? Am I to believe that Chad Mizelle just had a lapse in momentary judgement, and Donald Trump knows the background of Mizelle at that critical moment in 2017. Just stop; we accept in brutally honest fashion, there are going to be a few aspects of non-winning amid the DC confrontation. President Trump cannot ‘know everything’ and simultaneously confront everything as a priority; at a certain point, even he has to trust their intents.
What I am warning about now, is something entirely predictable that is looming in the near future; like, within 18 months.
At a certain point, the financial interests of the technocratic team who helped win the 2024 election will no longer be in alignment with MAGA Americans. At that point, I have no doubt President Trump will align with our side in the just cause of liberty.
When the sh*t hits the fan and all of these connected interests’ surface, I am optimistic President Trump will support our position; I do not question that at all. However, we must accept the consequence of that non-alignment is going to make those same technocratic MAGA billionaires shift from united allies to lukewarm defenders.
Peaceniks don’t build bombs; and those who genuinely believe in liberty do not build nor support domestic surveillance networks that can be weaponized depending on who is in power.
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The only beginning is to repeal the Patriot Act. Which we can plainly see had been written “long before 9/11.” But J am realistic enough to know that it has not yet become sufficiently repugnant.
Personally I think the RNC was planned for Vance and Youngkin and when Trump dodged the bullet all the conspirators (including tech and deep state) realized it was time to get on the Trump train. As sacks says it “jd is assasination insurance”. You can take that both ways.
The tech agenda is so huge it’s like Operation Warpspeed, Trump will be impeached or removed if he starts counter signaling etc the new AI Federal Reserve being created by a cartel of contractors.
Palantir is weird, creepy guys. Palantir ran 35 countries covid lockdowns , including the center of globalism the UK. That Alex karp ceo guy makes a show of being mentally and emotionally unstable on TV. He is the head of the world’s largest transnational private security contractor and he acts like a San Francesco homeless person. He should be Red flagged. Thiel looks like a sweating nut job who can’t handle the pressure.
Elon Musk and Tesla 3 days before Christmas are scamming teslas tech workers who got laid off with h1b ads in newspapers. Musk doesn’t make his money honestly. He scams labor and uses BRICS engineers and fake h1b workers. X is staffed entirely by BRICS engineers.
Joe Lonsdale is a flat out creep. Unreconstructed Thatcherite austerity scum bag.
Andreeson bangs in abstract generalities about “time to build” and AI like Karl Marx talks about Communism.
Thiels book Zero to One is about creating monopolies. Rhetorical libertarians and cultural MAGA creating an oligarchy and enslavement state.
Ai is communism
The PayPal mafia are now running the country. PayPal and all the big texh are run by Indians who are busy offshoring the USA office sector “back home” to India which is the most corrupt country in the English speaking universe. PayPal India has zero revenue but is getting all the jobs while PayPal USA makes 60% revenue and is laying off USA workers and replacing them via h1b scams.
USA tech workers are one of the few groups making good money in the USA and they have been destroyed by tech immigration under Biden and Harris and now accelerated under Trump Sacks.
India (offices) is the new China (factories). Ai is the new mRNA. Tech agenda new operation warpspeeed. David sacks is the new Fauci.
They are creating cultural maga. Maga with economic populism and liberty removed and replaced with social media prescriptive analytics and memes
Bannon and Loomer are alive to this. Inauguration plus one, game on
Glad you’re paying attention.
We need more people to be aware and paying attention. Maybe several podcast interviews outlining the current state of government spying on its citizens. I fear we have too many “truth managers” and not enough truth revealers.
Lastly, AI is the Replacement Automation built by BRICS mercenaries who are imported and offshored and steal IP, markets and jobs, concentrate the ownership of this economic activity into the hands of the oligarchy.
Andreeson and musk talk about ai creating abundance in public. In private in business ai is about automating humans and cutting costs and shedding workers and sending jobs offshore
This fight over ai and tech and surveillance is going to make covid and mRNA and pandemic lockdowns look like small beans
This is the big one.
AI requires so much energy to run its servers, that “Drill baby drill” Trump is their best option. Sadly, there will be wars for energy, or may be they will just plug us into the matrix, and treat us as its batteries!
NO one can see past their nose; There is so much more just over the horizon now.
https://pure.tudelft.nl/ws/portalfiles/portal/126823930/1_s2.0_S0360319922022406_main.pdf
If I were a mystery writer:
1. Nikki Haley (Establishment) was not going to GOP convention initially.
2. About a week before convention she suddenly decided to go.
3. At the time there was no VP named.
4. Joe Biden had bombed out in the debate. He needed to be replaced but only he or Harris could access the millions already dinated. Delemma
5. DJT goes to Butler PA. He had not chosen a VP. Thus his donated millions not available to anyone but him.
6. Assassin fired what would have been a fatal shot had he not turned his head.
7. Lots of coincidences as to how the assassin was able to get so close.
8.Assassin killed.
9. Secret Service head resigns.
10. Vance chosen as VEEP after the attempt on DJTs life.
Hit send too soon. Sorry
11. Had DJT died, the GOP would have had an open convention.
12. The logical choice would have been Haley who had stayed in the race long after she had no chance to win BUT on July 13 had more deligates than anyone but Trump.
Nasty scenario , glad that is not where we’re at .
Margaret Thatcher was a Savior to England. No one could hold a candle to her. And now there’s Puke Starmer.
Otherwise, right on.
Thatcher herself was an extremely impressive person and leader and Prime Minister but the pedophiles and cuckservatives and inbreeds and svengalis that surrounded her destroyed her ideals and ultimately removed her from office over a European financial arrangement
Margaret Thatcher was a member of the swamp and stabbed Rhodesia in the back. Rhodesia was one of the first casualties to the woke and a victim of much propaganda printed in the press. Like the US is experiencing now. She was an awful woman and not the saint the English right thinks she is.
Bingo
No doubt you are aware of this? Honey, is owned by Paypal.
“Fundamentally change America” is becoming clearer as the years roll by! Just wait ’til we get another just like Barry in power again!
Inauguration Day plus one campaign begins. BRICS first tech lobby needs to be controlled
Let’s see the
“surveillance ” of the kenyan killing his boyfriend chef in 3 feet of water. The corresponding messaging generated by trying to cover up that evil piece of human waste’s crimes should be worth seeing
Trump will set up the system, then a ghoulish successor, election-cheated in, will flog us with the system.
“Sufficiently repugnant”! Outstanding!
EXCERPTS from Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death (Patrick Henry)
I shall speak forth my sentiments freely, and without reserve. This is no time for ceremony. The question before the House is one of awful moment to this country. For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate.
It is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty?
I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided; and that is the lamp of experience.
Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled, that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation. Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation. What means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us; they can be meant for no other. If we wish to be free, if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending. If we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained, we must fight, (fight, fight)! An appeal to the God of Hosts is all that is left us!
Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. People in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations; and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave (Audaces fortuna iuvat ==> Fortune favors the bold).
Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!
A wonderful sense of the English language, now so seldom encountered.
One of the greatest political speeches anywhere, anytime, any language.
For those who haven’t seen the reenactment of Patrick Henry’s speech at St. John’s Church in Richmond, VA, I encourage you to see it if you ever visit central Virginia.
https://www.historicstjohnschurch.org/home
While you are in the area, make a 45 minute trip east on I64 to Colonial Williamsburg and allow yourself to be transported back to the beginnings of our nation. A time when men were willing, “with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, [to] mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.” … for *our* freedom.
Jovan Hutton Pulitzer frequently talks about his meeting with President Trump at Mar-a-ago back in 2018 when they discussed election integrity and the need to purge all of the illegal names from the voter rolls across the nation and how President Trump got some of his senior aides together and ordered them to get this done and as soon as President Trump left the room they started saying how it was a waste of their time and they didn’t see why they should get together anytime soon on the problem.
Short-sighted bureaucrats and politicians are always looking for the money like mice looking for that free cheese.
It went similarly to that with covid.
With the number of illegal alien terrorists permitted entry to the USA by the incompetent Biden-Harris-Mayorkas-Wray-Burns administration, it may be prudent for the Trump-Vance administration to “look inward” for a while longer to deal with potential terrorist threats.
No need: each one has an assigned number to receive benefits.
That data base is all that is necessary to collect and deport a very high percentage of the illegal aliens.
Sundance, Is there any way to rescind the Patriot Act?
Retired Magistrate here: The Patriot Act expired in March 2020. However, most of the authority included in the Patriot Act is still being used by various Federal agencies. Once a Federal agency has power, they are not going to willingly give it up.
Thank you ‘Marcia’. Your posts are always appreciated by tof… not likely what you think it means.
only section 215 “expired” but there were several “work arounds” so probably nothing has changed.
Or repeal?
Is there any Patriotic stuff in that Act? Did they just give it a flashy name to get it passed?
If you have to ask,..
Harry Reid said he already killed the Act. Rush flamed him for that claim. Back then, new surveillance was promoted as a means of national and civil security. Still reeling from 9/11, we gladly accepted it.
You mean like every other act the lobbyists write?
Would an omnibus repeal act be feasible? Bundle up every crap law and axe them all at once?
Did anyone note, in the Tucker Carlson/ Elon Musk interview, when Elons little boy came in and climbed up in daddy’s lap?
As kids of that age will do, he obviously parroted some very high level language he had been listening to- first a string of highly amusing nonsense, and when that got an approving laugh, he came out with “ we’ll just do whatever we want!”
Wow.
This article needs to be discussed at every Treepers Christmas dinner so we can come up with a game plan.
We have four fast years to put a stop to this.
Thank you for posting and posting today, Sundance.
Geez, Sundance — and a Merry Christmas to you too — I guess …
What a buzzkill, mannnnnnnnnn
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What was it Rumsfield said about knowns that were known or weren’t known or some nonsense I don’t remember? The, BIG UGLY just keeps getting BIGGER.😖
Reports that say that something hasn’t happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know.
We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know.
But there are also unknown unknowns—the ones we don’t know we don’t know.
And if one looks throughout the history of our country and other free countries, it is the latter category that tends to be the difficult ones.
That red pill is color shifting to black.
We cant Rest until we are FREE.
There is much to be said regarding nearly the entire west focusing inward in lieu of exploring outward as humans.
Merry Christmas to all!
I spent my entire career in public higher education. I argued against installing cameras everywhere for “security”. I was basically alone in my concerns. Americans have been conditioned by movies to expect cameras in subways, buses, schools, public places, government buildings, etc. with no concern that these cameras will track every movement of private individuals. We’ve already lost all our privacy.
“If I’m not doing anything wrong, why should I care?” The truth is, a lot of people feel very important when they have to punch in a code to enter their own workplace.
They have been given the code, you see. They are on the inside.
Interesting, Clarion.
Sheeit… private individuals are now doing it for them– at home!
• ring cameras on their front door monitoring their coming & going, along with any visitors.
• installing cameras INSIDE their house recording their every move (so creepy!)
• Amazon listening devices.
• smart appliances connected to the internet.
• storing their cc’s on their phone then tapping with it to pay for everything– can’t leave home w/o it!
Not only is it all hackable, all that data is willingly being routed online. Do people not get it’s being stored somewhere!? It’s total insanity!! 🤪
Exactly!
In 1997, ALL my personal information was on the dark web. I did not have a cell phone, computer, or any web experience. I live to this day with having my identity stolen. It’s become a part of my daily life. I’m over it. Don’t think we’ll ever go back to the simple,safe days. If they want you, they’ll GET YOU..
Not many read the Terms of service when they purchase and install these types of devices, most don’t care if they did read the ToS
Are we supposed to actually read them?
Curious, what part of the country?
California
The Arnie movie of him running through the airport, and he shows up on an X-Ray machine. Everyone thought that was so cool, and look at airports now!
If the out of control “Intelligence” agencies were busy handling threats instead of doing whatever is was they were engaged in in the 90s forward, there never would have been a 9/11, ushering in the need for more “intelligence” agencies and more surveillance.
The only way to fight it is to abandon the Interwebs. Nobody wants to hear it, but y’all know it’s the Truth.
The entire IC silo is engaged, as others, in keeping their jobs and making money.
Hence the creation of bad guys.
At some point they were ; CSM Billy Waugh reportedly had OBL in the crosshairs in the mid to late nineties . Alas Slick Willie would not give the go ahead .
TW 800 is constantly in mind…. more sickness/evil from Clinton.
The image of the futuristic city and the village across the river is no longer online. Could someone please put up an active link to it, and I could download it like I should have in the first place?
It’s a most thought provoking work of art.
As is this site.
Try this…
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oops. sorry.
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Oh for crying out loud…
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Got it, Joshua. Thanks.
If at first you don’t succeed,…………..:)
Microchipping every baby born on earth will be the goal.
They already have. They have been storing the DNA from new born babies for decades. That little drop of blood they take to make sure baby is OK…
“President Trump cannot ‘know everything’ and simultaneously confront everything as a priority; at a certain point, even he has to trust their intents.” – Sundance
But if he or his staff are readers here they will know a hell of a lot, just about anything important!!!! JMO
And if not…..we need to figure out a way to get the information to them.
We can post this far and wide to increase our chances.
Especially on Truthsocial.
Post it to “X”, and “Truth Social”.
There were rumors rampant, that President Trump had made some sort of deal, in order to be allowed to win this time. These rumors had more than a little traction.
Yes, we all saw that bullet nearly take him out, and it did take out a very fine man.
That bullet could have been from a faction that didn’t think it was going to fare well under the new arrangement, if you believe such a deal was made. Someone was always going to go under the bus.
Speaking of bullets, I read a quote somewhere, an old saying perhaps- It’s not important to know who fired the bullet; it’s important to know who paid for it.” Maybe I read that right here. It applies to a lot of events lately.
Speaking of that attempt on Trump’s life, I just last night realized that we were treated to a copycat attempt at displaying heroism- that fall of Nancy Pelosi?
I still can’t find any footage of her stumble, but we all were treated to an image of her bravery, in valiantly getting right back up and posing for a group photo!
Wow. Imagine the courage and fortitude that took, getting your picture taken.
Maybe that one will go down in the history books, like the iconic Trump photo (do I need the /s?)
Where exactly IS Nancy? I have not see or heard a single story about her in almost two weeks…methinks that her fall was something more than just a broken hip! A major stroke perhaps? Or the surgery did not go so well? No pictures, no statements, no info on when she is returning to the US? Congress reconvenes on January 3rd….will she be there? Somehow, I doubt it!!
A silent missing Nasty Nan is a holiday 🎁 gift..hopefully it keeps on giving.
I’ve heard that she is recovering from surgery to repair a broken hip. Where as the incident occurred overseas, the recovery could keep her their for a while. Often times a physician will restrict a patient’s travel if it was to be by air. Getting on an aircraft in and of itself is not a problem. The possibility of an incident occurring at altitude where the aircraft has a sudden loss of cabin pressure is the problem as the loss of air pressure could cause added injury to the patient.
Your quote is very poignant indeed, a patsy always pulls the trigger…
Musk’s prioritizes his kids way to much to make something that will destroy their future. He is huge on all kids, just look at his actions like Lil X at Capital hill. Mara largo etc. Who else has taken his kids everywhere? Thailand trapped kids in cave incident just as an outside example. Musk despises trans child mutilation garbage, his own kid again as example. Twitter conversion to X, pro decency. Starlink for hurricane victims, who else does that? Musk cutting debt benefits us all. SO maybe as a billionaire club member he is a concern, but his actions say otherwise. The last example I would gives is from his Tucker Carlson interview, his solution to safe AI is to a more honest unbiased AI that will outcompete flawed biased AI no doubt. Pure logic. That is the same theory as to what MAGA tick. So until Musk doesn’t something I would say would be out oc character, Musk is not the problem but the closest Trump like person there is. Smart, driven, love of family and country.
Merry Christmas
I agree with much of what you say.
I have always known that Musk has an agenda that I do not care for, but Trump also has an agenda, much of which I do not care for.
The thing is, Elon honestly thinks some of his ideas are for the good. I do not see him as an evil person at all.
It’s not as if he can force President Trump to do anything he doesn’t want to do.
When we see President Trump doing something that is not what we voted for, we need to take it up with him, not take it out on Elon, IMO.
Is it not possible to mitigate some of what you are warning us of with a return to robust 4th amendment protections? Could not much benefit come from a return to the judicial process of obtaining search warrants, warrants to listen, etc. that were required before The Patriot Act?
Could we not demand this from Congress?
And which Congress would that be?…….the Uniparty or the Uniparty?
We can demand all we want, but then they go in a room and come out mumbling “national security”.
Why didn’t we get to see the JFK files that we are entitled to see? What was our reaction?
A good benchmark for the sincerity of the new administration’s promise to cut through the government’s grip on our liberty will be their releasing of all the files on the JFK assassination. ALL the files. Then we need to ask, and receive the answer, as to why there was this need to keep things secret for well over six decades.
Trump will have to name an Emisary specifically for this sector and state in no uncertain terms that DHS is contrary to the letter and Spirit of our Constitution.
its not at the top of my to do list for government
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This is concerning especially if the other party returns to power. Proactive thinking about remedies are in order…
“Do you really believe President-elect Donald Trump is aware the person he announced as chief-of-staff for Pam Bondi is/was the same person used by Rod Rosenstein to construct the Robert Mueller targeting operation? Am I to believe that Chad Mizelle just had a lapse in momentary judgement, and Donald Trump knows the background of Mizelle at that critical moment in 2017. ”
You’ve GOT to be kidding me! Very simple. Fire this person immediately.
I’m waiting for Lindy to be appointed to a key position!
DNC powerhouse fundraiser announces exit from Democratic Party following attacks: ‘It’s like leaving a cult’ | Fox News
My first instinct on this issue was, “I just don’t know.” I understand the dangers this country faces, and I also understand how devastating these surveillance systems are to American’s freedoms, when abused. I also understand that once constituted, it’ll always be possible for the next change of government to flip a switch, and now we’re back on that happy road of Communist AND Fascist oligarchy.
However, on second thought, use a local police force as an analogy. Most LEO’s and their departments are honorable, oath taking and oath keeping public servants, who regularly lay their lives on the line in defense of their citizens. However, at many points in US history, law enforcement organizations have been corrupted by money and/or politics. Is the solution to those exceptions, then, to eliminate all law enforcement organizations? Is it to remove their powers of arrest, and their ability to carry arms in defense of the common good? Obviously not. The same applies to the Federal surveillance state.
To use another analogy, there are plenty of immigration laws in the USA, but few are enforced, some are actively violated by politicians and Federal bureaucrats. “Immigration reform” may be due for many reasons, such as my Filipino brother-in-law who committed no crimes, had valid visa applications submitted in his behalf, was even contacted by the US Embassy for interviews, but somehow has been denied entrance into the US for over 50 years. That’s due to both Congressional laws and racist, anti-Filipino immigration bureaucrats. Current US policy actively chooses one country’s immigrants over others, based on entirely subjective considerations. That should change.
However, immigration reform is NOT required to stop illegal immigrants from entering or remaining in the USA. Approximately 2000 American citizen “J6 patriots” are in prison due to partisan abuse of the Justice system. When a similar number of Federal bureaucrats, NGO executives, Mexican cartel leaders, and elected officials are LAWFULLY imprisoned for violating this country’s immigration laws, the problem will be substantially reduced.
Back to the surveillance state. Just enforce the law. Arrest those who have conspired to violate Americans civil rights through illegal search, seizure, and surveillance. They MUST go to jail, period. This includes the Federal judges in the D.C. district, who so obviously put their thumb on the scales of justice to ensure a “proper” political end.
WHAT IS THE PRICE FOR VIOLATING THE CIVIL RIGHTS OF AMERICAN CITIZENS, UNDER COLOR OF AUTHORITY? At this point, it appears to be zip, zero, nadda, if you’re in the privileged class of Democrats and left-of-center Republicans. Stop that crap, jail the guilty, and the problems with illegal Federal surveillance and abuse of the justice system, will both stop and not be repeated later. Anything less, and we’re all just playing a casino game where the house breaks all the rules and takes our money, e.g. “life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness”, even our very citizenship franchise, from us. No justice to the country’s criminal elite? Then no peace.
You are so correct. Maybe we spend too much time listening to Demonrat rhetoric but more laws are something we don’t need. We need to enforce our current laws.
There’s a lot of work ahead; and, as with what we’re seeing with the groundswell of people who are beginning to find their voices again, such as the Congress backtracking and eventually passing the smaller CR, popular culture drives politics I think is the saying –
we have to, and probably as Sundance has said before, this will be slowly at first then all at once, we have work to do to build in the mind of the popular culture that surveillance state isn’t going to be acceptable and instead (and I will keep pushing this) get the minds of the people to accept the foresight our Founding Fathers had when they insisted the 4th Amendment to the Bill of Rights is a necessity for a free people –
and keep on finding different ways to get that fact to sink into the minds of these Silicon Valley people that have now surrounded our President-elect that if they want to be the heroes they imagine themselves to be they will find a way to incorporate the keys for individuals to hold onto their persons, papers, effects, and homes without proper search warrant issued under Oath which specifically identifies what they are searching for –
that man that lied in a search warrant that no one was allowed to type his name on their internet – needs to be properly tried and adjudicated; the FISA court needs to be abolished, that kind of thing – somehow we need to make these ideas paramount to the success of the 2nd Trump Administration.
FJB and before him Obama, and other politicians and Lawfare players have been seeding the idea with the phrase “the Amendments to the Constitution are not absolute” and we have to find a way to seed the truth – they are absolute and the 4th Amendment is equal to all the others, including the First and the Second.
Just my opinion. If we have those safeguards built in, that may be just the opening the next couple of generations need to forestall future weaponization of govt. by the beast these Silicon Valley arrogant pricks are building. Sorry for the language, really don’t know what else to call them.
Forewarned is forearmed.
Sunlight is the best defense …….. MAGAs should send this article to President Trump ………many, many, many, many times…….
Nip it in the bud ……. isn’t just a line on the Andy Griffith TV Show…….. it is a long standing successful defense strategy ……
The problem stated is why the Executive Branch must be brought back into Constitutional Compliant within the first 100 days
….that includes nulling all of the current and planned for future large databases…. be they government built, funded, assessed by, manned by ….. or those in the private sector ……. we lived just fine without the large databases ……. we did it with disjointed files.
…. The immediate disbanding, defunding, dislodging of the IA’s that weaponized our government against us.
Now, we are stuck, for the time being, with the current AG and Treasury appointees … but they can always be changed for the better… by President Trump.
Maybe, we should send it to BARRON.
And I still think the best way to see the system,with the NSA databases, 702 About search queries with 3 hop, FISA Court SYSTEM, torn down and utterly destroyed?
USE it on those who have abused it..
Use it to bring sunlight, by exposing, using THEIR OWN WORDS, those involvdd in Russia, Russia, the 2020 steal, and the Plandemic.
Even start to do that, and there would be such an outcry to tear down the system, as you wouldn’t be able to hear anything else.
Like wrestling, you push till your opponent pushes back hard and then you pull him using his own strength to your advantage, brilliant and simple. 😉
Not a bad idea at all; seems like it couldn’t hurt, to send it to Barron.
FBI got its jolt by arguing for the need to find “Fifth columnists” during WWII. War (including “War on Terror”) always is used as justification for power as “Inter arma enim silent leges”. Chief Justice Rehnquist wrote a recommended book about it “All the Laws but One: Civil Liberties in Wartime”. Of course WWII ended but soon we entered a new “cold war” and FBI got tasked with rooting out communists. Just another pivot post-cold war to war on terror.
Trump can short circuit the Surveillance State by demanding Roberts’ resignation on January 20th. He runs that FISA court. They whoop through warrants which are blatantly fraudulent and unconstitutional.
Trump can challenge the judiciary by laying out the bill of particulars against Roberts, and then demand his immediate resignation.
Sure, the system wants to destroy the Constitution, with or without Roberts. But recognition of that destruction is very important, even if rolling it back would be near impossible. First, recognition. Identify reality. That’s what leaders do.
One 10 minute speech, laying out Roberts’ derelictions and oath violations, followed by a demand for his resignation. The head of state and head of government can and must do this, imo. Open, honest, for the People.
muh tulsi gabbard muh kash patel
lol
same old same old
trust the plan
we got this
two more weeks etc.
18 months, just in time for a Mid-Term RINO-UniParty Wave.
Even with Donald Trump as President, we are still walking through the valley of the shadow of death. God bless Sundance for keeping us informed. Pray continually.
Psalm 23:
“The Lord is my shepherd;
I shall not want.
He makes me to lie down in green pastures;
He leads me beside the still waters. He restores my soul; He leads me in the paths of righteousness
For His name’s sake.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil;
For You are with me;
Your rod and Your staff, they comfort me.
You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies;
You anoint my head with oil; My cup runs over.
Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me
All the days of my life;
And I will dwell in the house of the Lord Forever.”
Laura Loomers tweet said it for me… Appreciating you is a woefully inadequate word. How would the readers here ever have this knowledge without you to connect the dots and express our feelings….SD~ A true patriot.
“Do you really believe President-elect Donald Trump is aware the person he announced as chief-of-staff for Pam Bondi is/was the same person used by Rod Rosenstein to construct the Robert Mueller targeting operation?”
No. I have however seen that he can turn on a dime, as with Chad Chronister, when he’s made know of his lousy pick by people whose opinions carry some weight, which isn’t us anymore, unfortunately.
Actually, it WAS us, that caused him to change on Chronister, and it was us that got rid of that 1500 page monstrosity.
He referenced ‘his pastors’ in his decision to get rid of him.
If he was listening to us, he would have gotten rid of Nesheiwat too.
Unfortunately, booting a few stinking dogs does not make the entire kennel clean.
It will take time, effort and flushing.
Trump simply cannot do it all. WE have to keep pushing!
In this discussion, the roomba type vacuum was mentioned…I came across this at the TLD:
https://discern.tv/is-your-air-fryer-spying-on-you-for-communist-china/
They didn’t want us to have old appliances or automobiles that can’t spy on you, and they used carbon as an excuse.
Why would anyone buy an air fryer that only worked thru your phone? You deserve what you get.
Gee.
How up-lifting. How joyous. How full of hope and promise!
/s
Memo to self….
DO NOT read CTH on Christmas Day ever again. Whatever it is, it can absolutely, positively, inarguably wait a day or two.
QUOTE:
”President Trump is going to unwittingly create a ‘caste system’ within the surveillance state. He will not do so with willful, corrupt or malicious intent…
I can say directly that President Trump’s team believe the system is good and necessary.”
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Then, quite simply, and inarguably, they are NOT followers of Christ. And they have not read the Book of Revelations….”…that no man, rich or poor, free or bonded, may buy or sell…”
AND
”By their fruits you will know them.”
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With this post, Sundance has shown that PDJT will fail to “drain the swamp”, because the “surveillance state” and the tools they employ ARE the swamp.
Q
UOTE: “I can say directly that President Trump’s team believe the system is good and necessary.”It’s all been for nothing.
Merry Christmas.
(sigh)
Sundance never promised you a rose garden, in fact he promised and promises the TRUTH,with no rose colored glasss scenario.
Should he hold off on speaking the Truth, because its Christmas?
The TRUTH takes no holidays, even if some apperently wish it would.
I never said he did, so I’m not guilty of what you imply re: a rose garden.
Conversely….
How could his post not wait 24 hrs? What was it’s importance such that it could not wait?
Please explain, rationally and logically, without emotive comment.
Yes, it’s Christmas day. news like this CAN wait 24 hrs, and I was wrong to come here today.
Live and learn.
Do NOT be disparaged because Sundance has done what he does best; inform and engage discussion of important topics, you as an adult should be able to read,digest and ponder such data to the benefit of you and those around you who you care for.
Marry X-Mas and a Happy New year to you and yours 🖖🏻
Have you failed to notice that this place is a political opinion and commenting site FIRST and foremost? I personally share what Sundance thinks is President Trump’s supposed viewpoint. There are how many bad guy terrorists floating around the US interior and people want to return to 1964? Sure, never check shoes at the airport anymore and see how many passenger planes are downed.
We need enforcement of laws already on the books about violations of privacy.
This is the 21st Century , the genie is out of the bottle and Pepperidge Farm likes to remember.
Sundance was not the only person who could see Technocrats swimming into Trump’s circle.
Almost all Treepers saw it as well. The Libertarians @ Zerohedge also chatting about it. Bet you saw it, too.
Enough time has passed with enough movement within that circle that NOW it is okay to say outloud what we have seen and what the implications are likely to be. This is what has been done today.
You cannot fight the enemy if you don’t know where he is nor what he is up to. For most of us, that fighting takes place on our knees until/unless God shows us something else to do.
Throwing in the towel like this only indicates your personal lack of resolve. If you are going to quit, do so and stop commenting like a victim.
Otherwise, Cowboy Up and stand steadfast with the rest of us against the wind that has shifted.
Merry Christmas!
Is there no way of discussion with PJDT himself, to argue this very important Truth, so that he will be re-evaluating just what the dangers are?
Sundance: can your thoughts and analysis be ‘presented’ on additional outlets such as Tucker and Rogan and War Room, etc.?
In this way, more and more ‘discussion’ can take place, and pressure can be presented, from more Americans??
Sundance, your incredibly deep understanding of these very real dangers, has to be spread more widely… somehow.
The reason the surveillance state is “good” and “necessary” stem from the actions of that surveillance state.
If we got rid of it, we wouldn’t need it.
And all the jihadists would be so overwhelmed with the goodwill that they would change their ways?
The jihadists would certainly not be much of a problem if they hadn’t been invited here. Worse, they continue to be allowed into this country. Do you think this is a coincidence? Not on your life.
Hillary supposedly didn’t have any “intent” when she
createdallowed Obama to create a basement server for secret government correspondence, either.I used to be under the impression that doing an action was proof of intent.
Every breath you take
Every move you make
They want to be surveilling and controlling you
Every single day
Every word you say
They want to be surveilling and controlling you
Oh, cant you see
They want you all to belong to their collective sheeple we
To rule all your life how their hearts do ache
With every step you take
Every move you make
They want to be surveilling and controlling you
Thank you again, Sundance: Todays’s Paul Revere.
QUOTE:
”Do you really believe President-elect Donald Trump is aware the person he announced as chief-of-staff for Pam Bondi is/was the same person used by Rod Rosenstein to construct the Robert Mueller targeting operation? “
No, I don’t. And never did.
HOWEVER….
….. after a full term in office and 4 years following that, almost a full decade downstream….I DID REASONABLY EXPECT that PDJT would have surrounded himself with those…LIKE YOU, Sundance….that do.
Moreover…
“I do not fault President Trump for this predictable outcome.”
The you believe my expectation above was/is unrealistic, and I disagree.
If you, Sundance, have had the opportunity to make your case to people like Nunes….as you say you have….and your voice has been disregarded, well…
None of these patriots are as smart as we thought they were, and that includes PDJT.
And why you would post this on Christmas day (no less) is quite beyond my ability to comprehend.
Is the truth any less relevant one day or the next? Long off and enjoy your family…
Why are you here reading it????
This is “The Conservative Treehouse” and not “The Christmas Treehouse”.
Good one 👍🏻
Accidental black flag. Please don’t take offense as I sadly have fat fingers and do this frequently 🫤
I’m with you on this issue Sundance. We need to temper our expectations to what is doable at this time. Would be nice to see this system dismantled though.
It can be argued that until the US is rid of the 8 million illegals the senile old fool in the White House let into the country, internal surveillance will be a necessary tool. Thanks to Biden, “the enemy within” is now a real thing. It can further be argued that the inward sweep of state surveillance might be needed for a generation. The task of US leadership, therefore, is to ensure that the internal sweep of the surveillance state is conducted in strict accordance with traditional US (Christian) values.
They know who they let in and where they are.
This is what I mean- they create the conditions that they use to call for surveillance more surveillance.
Well put!!!
Make that 40 million…
Truth has no agenda, takes no holiday, and doesn’t CARE whether you like it, or not.
TRUTH just IS.
This is a highly significant article, Sundance. Thank you. No pretending.
Prophecy will continue: We
will become a one world order.
A single digital monetary system giving much control to the Beast wich is simply what John refeered to as the government..
Any human involved in world trade will have to take a mark on their body in the right hand or forehead. And worship the government or Beast as described in the Bible. This will indicate their inability to be redeemed.
Satan is currently guiding his Ilk setting this up.
Why else would the drone thing be set up. Millions of humans are about to be taken out of the world (The Rapture). They will explain our disappearance as not being able to be right minded and we are simply on the mother ship being reprogrammed.
Satan is a real being he Tested Jesus in person. Although he is extremely powerful he is not omnipotent hence all the technology introductions since the 50s.
When one uses patterns thru history along with a strong Biblical worldview it’s simple to see.
FAITH is more important now than ever before. Even the elect will be deceived.
Since the 1500s Science has taken Gods place in this world.. Majick has been around since the garden. Who went to Seek out Jesus in the manjor? The Maji. They were the kings men. They were able to mimic Moses plagues and storms until his staff gobbled up their snake they had to admit he was from God.
We are witnessing the very last of the end days.
Eternity is the future we have to endure until. Stay strong in your faith God Bless.
“The road to hell is paved with good intentions”
To those Tolkien history fans, the name Palantir immediately made me think of the Elvish seeing stones that were originally created for good and were later corrupted by Sauron and used to ensnare Saruman head of the White Council. The “Two Towers” symbolized that. The White Tower was eventually ensnared by the Black Tower.
Without a surveillance state, people’s daughters might be set on fire by vicious foreigners with no right to be here.
The surveillance state would do nothing to prevent it and still watch it happen. Don’t need a surveillance state to enforce the laws already on the books either.
The subways have surveillance already. Lotsa good it does.
London’s totalitarian surveillance didn’t prevent the broad daylight murder of Lee Rigby.
You could make the same argument about Bush and the Patriot Act.
Didn’t know any better
It was needed
Blah Blah Blah
2 weeks to slow the spread was totally unconstitutional…..but it was needed they said
They knew it wasn’t at the time, but they still try to get away with “it was a necessary evil”.
I hate it!
The border is open to allow criminals in. The criminals create chaos, the answer is more surveillance. The digital ID will be offered, and those without will be deported or marginalized until they self-deport. This is what they will say, and the people will approve. Then they will have their digital ID. They will then use it to coerce the dissidents, the non-vaxxed, the anti-war folks, the free speechers/misinformationists. They will have their no-fly list, but it will be a no-buy list.
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Yes the surveillance state will expand. From 9-11 to the open border, that is the plan. Increasing control is the objective, and we are on-trend, and on-brand for this cabinet.
Here is another surveillance tool, the Corporate Transparency Act, that goes into effect next week.https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2024/01/the_beneficial_ownership_information_reporting_rule_and_the_surveillance_state.html