Abandoned by his father to a troubled single mother; eventually raised by grandparents. He is then recruited from an Ivy league law school by shadow figures, a specific billionaire and a network of interests. He changes his name, writes a book about his life story, and with the support of the aforementioned – who eventually pays for the assembly of a strategic campaign influence network, becomes a Senator for 2 years before being quickly elevated into position in the White House.
Many people reading that paragraph would be familiar with the life story of Barack Hussien Obama. However, that paragraph also explains the right-side version of the exact same storyline, James David Vance. It’s a mirror.
On one side of the UniParty mirror we have an emotionally constructed political figure for the left. On the other side of the UniParty mirror we have an emotionally constructed political figure for the right. Each person, each emotional narrative, carrying the specific nuances to appeal to their wing of the UniParty audience. However, both are following the same playbook.
It started with a conversation several weeks ago. Who is JD Vance and where did he come from?
How does a person without any baseline in politics, not a council member, not a mayor, not a state rep – or state senate, governor etc., become a U.S. Senator and then quickly get into the White House?
What I was told sounded eerily familiar.
JD Vance was born James Donald Bowman in Middletown, Ohio (August 2, 1984). He then changed his name to James David Bowman. He then changed his name to James David Hamel. Eventually, in 2014, notably after Yale Law School (class of 2013) and after marrying his wife Usha, now age 30, he changed his name to write a book.
It was 2014, that’s when JD Vance was born.
Vance’s book, Hillbilly Elegy was published by Rupert Murdoch’s publishing house, Harper Collins in 2016. The book was made into a Netflix movie, [Reed Hastings] created by Imagine Entertainment and directed by Ron Howard (2020). However, the interesting background on JD Vance goes back to Yale, and the Obamaesque tap on the shoulder that comes from a billionaire most are familiar with, Peter Thiel.
Thiel first recruited Vance into his circle while Vance was still a student at Yale Law School. Shortly thereafter, Vance joined Thiel’s investment firm Mithril Capital, where he worked for two years before joining Revolution Ventures. Vance played a major role in Revolution’s “Rise of the Rest” seed fund whose major investors included Amazon’s Jeff Bezos. {Citation}
JD Vance then launched his own venture capital firm Narya Capital in 2020, using startup money from both Peter Thiel and former Google CEO Eric Schmidt.
From this timeline we can see how JD Vance went from no money (student loans) in 2013, to big money in 2020. Everything came via Peter Thiel and Eric Schmidt, but mostly Thiel.
To understand JD Vance as an Ohio senator, the inflection points in 2013 and the subsequent relationship with billionaire Peter Thiel (Palantir Technologies) from 2013 to now, becomes important.
Billionaires Eric Schmidt and Peter Thiel are key members of the steering committee of the controversial, closed-door and overtly globalist Bilderberg conference. Newsweek once called Schmidt and Thiel the two most influential figures at Bilderberg.
Peter Thiel’s company Palantir Tech is the driving force of a global surveillance system using artificial intelligence (AI). Palantir has massive contract interests in US military and intelligence communities.
Keep in mind, Palantir is the current company creating the tech mechanisms for the U.S government to conduct foreign and domestic surveillance. The actual technology needed by the Deep State to advance their interests, is provided by Peter Thiel. {Citation}
According to the popular narrative, JD Vance opposes the Intelligence Community deep surveillance state, while simultaneously being the political front for the interests of Peter Thiel and Palantir Technology? This doesn’t reconcile.
Peter Thiel was the money and network behind the 2022 Ohio senate race between JD Vance and Tim Ryan. It was Peter Thiel who took JD Vance to meet President Trump in Mar-a-Lago to get the needed endorsement to launch Vance into the U.S. Senate. Without Thiel there is no Senator JD Vance.
It is also important to remember that prior to 2018; prior to Peter Thiel becoming aligned with the FBI as a confidential human source, and prior to Vance needing the Trump endorsement; JD Vance was a staunch never-Trumper.
JD Vance went from calling President Trump “a literal Hitler,” to appreciating Trump’s incredible leadership, a remarkable shift in opinion. To his strategic credit, Peter Thiel was successful in gaining both the endorsement and the outcome of the 2022 Ohio senate race.
Within the Thiel network you will note the aligned interests of another key financial friend and big federal contractor, Elon Musk. Together, Musk and Thiel form the core of a very wealthy group of modern tech political influence agents, including another Yale Law School graduate and JD Vance supporter, Vivek Ramaswamy.
JD Vance even named one of his three children Vivek; suffice to say, they are close.
What you have read so far is the background of how one billionaire, Thiel, deeply enmeshed in the surveillance state creates the process to construct a political tool useful for the retention of his interests. A few dozen millions are a worthy investment if the investment creates and supports the objectives of the billionaire (Palantir Technology).
Unfortunately, this approach also diminishes the Trump policy objective intended to eliminate the IC deep state.
As an outcome of a control network in 2006 Senator Barack Obama was successfully installed. As an outcome of a control network in 2022 Senator JD Vance was successfully installed. Both Barry Sotero (Obama) and James Bowman (Vance) are mirror images of each other; the playbooks used to create both are identical.
We have exhaustively outlined the UniParty operation in Washington DC. What was once a radical concept and controversial, is now accepted as factual. Additionally, we have outlined the how the Fourth Branch of Government was created under Obama. What was once conspiracy theory is now accepted as the truth.
Once you understand how both wings of the UniParty operate you can then see how the system of silo creation, retention and protection works.
The Obama network ultimately led to the modern IC surveillance state. The Vance network now appears to be positioned to retain it.
Like an abuser toward the abused, our ideological enemy uses our virtues of love and trust as weapons. We are in an abusive relationship with government.
♦ ALL IS NOT LOST – In everything that happens, the geopolitical power players -including the Intelligence Community- have what are called “strategic interests.” Meaning, they plan out their future position based on current events (data), pathways and predictions.
Some of these power structures are, putting it mildly, not good. In fact, they are eroding liberty, freedom and making us serfs. We feel it daily.
In order to best weaken them and/or make them more vulnerable, you put them into a position where they cannot strategize the future because they cannot confirm a data point in their pathway.
Having a known 2028 U.S. presidential nominee gives them the ability to plan for it. They are able to make moves to get beyond the 2024 to 2028 challenges they face; they look toward who they will be faced with as an opponent in ’28.
From that position, they conduct enemy operations against Trump’s strategy…. they essentially plan to outlast him, ignore him, put on a mask when they talk to him etc.
President Trump, making it known who will be the ’28 nominee actually gives his opposition power. Essentially makes Trump’s position less strong.
Had Trump selected a “one-term” running mate (I don’t care who it would have been), the opposition would not know what to expect in 2028. They are then forced to focus every day on what Trump is doing now. That opposition cannot look forward (proactive), they are forced to react. They are kept vulnerable.
Do you want your enemies planning, or do you want them reacting to the unknown variables?
Do you want them focused on your attack, or do you want them brushing you off as irrelevant in the longer term?
Do you want them on their heels each day/week as they try to figure out what you are doing…. or do you want them to know the destination ahead, regardless of the daily or weekly policy moves?
By selecting a VP nominee that will be the 2028 presidential nominee (what 90% of short-sighted people wanted), Trump can give greater power to the ideological enemy.
For the next four years, the deep state at home and geopolitical enemy abroad, must not know what they will face in the future.
From that position of potential vulnerability, they are forced to focus on daily events and counterstrategies, while unable -by design- to compromise the future opponent.
I never resign Trump to a failed position, as long as there is a way to turn a necessary decision into a winning and more powerful position.
The problem of Peter Thiel, his network and the potential problem JD Vance represents can be dealt with.
President Donald J Trump makes it very well known, and constantly reminds people for 3 years, that if JD Vance sucks, flinches, is inept or doesn’t follow orders, then JD Vance doesn’t get the 2028 endorsement. Thankfully, I saw the first indications of this last night during President Trump’s acceptance speech at the RNC Convention.
For Trump supporters and all supporters of the goal to deconstruct the worst and most toxic elements of the Deep State, we must support that tenuous 2028 endorsement message. After all, we are expecting Vance to uphold actionable policies against the interests of his benefactors.
Those benefactors and the aligned Vance influence network includes Charlie Kirk, Tucker Carlson, Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, Bill Ackman, David Sacks, Chamath Palihapitiya, Jacob Helberg, Vivek Ramaswamy and of course, many more.
I don’t care about anything that happened prior to that 2013 inflection point, the tap on the shoulder at Yale. James Donald Bowman, aka JD Vance’s background construct as lived or as sold is irrelevant to me. We do not have the time to be emotionally attached to any individual. We need actionable results.
We are not going to be battered conservatives, pushed yet again into the position of Charlie Brown to Lucy’s deep state, ‘trust the plan‘ football. The trust account of the American electorate is bankrupt. Corruption is running amok.
The threat to JD Vance’s political career must be actual, loud and repeated often to keep the toxic IC and domestic Silo operators guessing. While simultaneously, every righteous attack takes down a small IC silo segment like a bite out of an elephant.
We accept that this approach is going to make Peter Thiel, JD Vance and the entire Thiel/Musk network quite unhappy.
Tough!
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There was only really 1 choice – even though mine was Dr. Carson – as JD is a check on winning at least 1 state in the 3 Midwest states Michigan, Wisconsin and or Pennsylvania while also choosing some who was articulate enough to espouse the MAGA agenda whether you believe JD really supports it long-term or not.
I also believe it was a check on RDS’s candidacy in 2028.
Vance seems to be a globalist controlled punk azzed biotch. The Trump loyalists like Bannon and Peter Navarro will keep him in check for now. I’m sorry to say the appointment of Vance puts PDT at a higher risk. If you think of how PDT will structure his administration, guessing Vance will be kept at arm’s distance from anything that matters
Oldretiredguy: The White House might as well have a moat, a drawbridge and a dungeon. It’s all kings, queens, knights, dragons, back-stabbing ministers and court jesters.
Sadly, yes.
Agree, but we have to assume PDT was burned so bad by Judus Pence, he’ll be much more cautious this second time. He’s had 4 years to figure out his next inner circle & guessing Vance will have to earn his way into it.
Not meaning anything derogatory but it seems you have forgotten and too many others have forgotten that Heaven Forbid, if anything happens to Trump from now on Vance steps in.
If Vance steps in and our worse fears are true then Trump loyalists will be shipped to the curb and probably bared any entrance to the WH!
Why I wrote PDT is at higher risk with this Vance appointment. Read the entire piece, Vance appears to be the constructed mirror image of the kenyan. The entire reason Vance is where he is, is because his globalist backers are planning on him being president at some point.
Might not have read your post as well as I should have, for that I honestly apologize.
But its just that i have been getting bashed for days now. On top of that too many seem to be downplaying Vance as no threat since Trump and his handlers can keep him in line.
Scary isn’t it.
Days ago i was saying this what Sundance said and people were bashing me. No name calling but many were on the verge of it. the first time got really bashed
Comparing a US Marine to a f***ing Marxist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes, I served in Iraq not in 2003 like JD but 2006!!! 😡
I HIGHLY respect the Military and LEOs but all we have not all Military and LEOs are the same.
Not all Military and LEOs are honest patriotic American people taking their oath seriously
Sad but true fact–
We have lived too long under the Bush; Obama; and Clinton leadership that has taken our nation into a desert with no rain. We are screwed and politics in this country will never return to following the Constitution and allowing the three traditional houses of government run this country.
D.C. long ago sold us out to lobbyist and allowed them to write our laws and ignore our history of how we became a great nation.
Praying that it is not too late.
No, he does not. He seems to be the exact opposite of that.
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/07/18/jd-vance-world-view-sources-00168984
Many similarly constructed background pieces to those that created the kenyan. (Sundance) Yes his globalist backers have done a masterful job of creating an image, not unlike the exact steps that gave us 3 terms of the kenyan
This literally the same sort of thinking as the Democrats who think that Trump staged the shooting. People can believe anything if they want to, regardless of any facts.
Didn’t work too well with Pence or the RINOS in Congress-when the time came, the knives came out they stabbed DJT and the American people in the back.
For some reason, the voters have been led to believe that the Vice-President really plays a role on a daily basis. It was never this way and that is why we go sub par our President comes from that position and they are usually not very competent.
Lyndon B Johnson
Gerald Ford
George H. W. Bush
Joe Biden – placed in power during a coup that took place in 2020…..
(Kammie waiting in the wings but I doubt she flies)
I would love Carson but if not Carson it needs to be someone who has been loyalty on the Trump Train from get go and never faltered. They should also have a clear pass that has shown American Patriotism with a pretty good understanding of American Constitution
Actually first and foremost should be that they put AMERICAN and AMERICANS First.
I don’t know if the old conventional wisdom about the VP nominee delivering the votes from their home region still applies. People are rootless and don’t identify that way anymore. This election is all about Trump. His VP pick doesn’t matter much in affecting votes.
I suspect Trump made a deal with those in the shadows, and Vance is part of it. I’m not saying that is bad. It may have been the best way forward.
My biggest fear, but the fear of Trump going into dealing with Shadow Swamp might mean we have really missed on our trust with Trump.
This piece was linked on X today: https://thelampmagazine.com/blog/how-i-joined-the-resistance
It’s from a Catholic public, by J.D. Vance, about how he came from (some) faith, to no faith, and then to Catholicism: https://thelampmagazine.com/blog/how-i-joined-the-resistance
It’s a pretty impressive read, and I’ll admit that at this point I just can’t tell if Vance is sincere, or a front.
The best I can do right now is to conclude that he does seem to have some “better angels,” and pray that those hold him to that course.
Hmmm wasn’t that apparently what Obama did yet Rev Wright was not able to protect Obama’s butt very well so Obama threw Wright under the bus.
The standard operating procedure for the Rupert Murdoch operation is to sell their vampiric brave new world of human sacrifice and Molech worship, as been through FAKE catholic New world order salesmen. Think of the long list of abortion salesmen he has employed at fox News. Brett Baird et al. Pelosi, Biden, etc. We can’t afford to have another Bathouse Barry a heartbeat from the Presidency, or as the worlds example to subvert Catholic faith.
Whatever Maybelline Vance is, humanity was created in the image of God, not Eric Scmidt, Peter Theil, Elon Musk, or Rupert Murdoch I reject their counterfeit creation obviously deployed to create a world in their image. They’ve been pimping us India rulers for decades now. Haley, Ramalama ding dong, Jindal etc. We see clearly the motive is to exploit India’s human resource to the old slave class detriment. Look at what they’ve done to Britain.
If they cared about humanity they would improve India not a conveyer belt to place on the altar of Molech they have created in the US government.
Ai is not my living God. You won’t make me accept it with another fake Catholic with a schizophrenic identity history. Trump said pick for VP wasn’t mentioned in the msm. Maybelline Vance doesn’t fit Trumps hint.
Don’t expect a big Hollywood send off for Joe Biden. Democrats have never loved Joe, they just tolerated him.
Biden was just a place holder nothing more…If the Globalist were having a good day Biden did what he needed in a decent manner.
Well the Debate did not work well for the Globalists.
They still love Barry, especially Clooney.
From this article, it sounds like Trump having Vance as his VP is worse, far worse, for America, and for Trump, than if he had again chosen Pence as his VP.
I think I’m going to need some time to accept this.
I’m not sure I can—For as i keep saying from this point on Heaven forbid. if anything happens to Trump, Vance slides in.
Do believe Pence had some moral conscious , Vance not so much considering his past
Yosemite Sam: Not that Vance is “bad,” but that he is what he is: A purposefully chosen and placed asset of monied interests who do not represent the will of We the People. It it what it is. President Trump has made his bargain.
I don’t know how you concluded that the article is suggesting Pence would have been a better choice. I think the big takeaway from the article is that JD is looking sketchy right now and we’re not going to implicitly trust him. As Sundance says: “We do not have the time to be emotionally attached to any individual. We need actionable results.”
There is striking similarities between this short bio on JD Vance and the endlessly lengthy 1078 page bio of Barack Hussein Obama, which I still haven’t quite finished reading.
“It just goes to show it is always something. If it isn’t one thing it is another, but it is always something.” -Rosanne Rosanna Dana-
A Mr. Richard Feder from Fort Lee, N.J., writes in and says… 🙂
Except that Vance’s name changes were effected first by his mother and a man who adopted him (not a small thing) and himself as an adult to.honor the people who raised him. I think this as a base for the wholesale comparison is weak.
Same as Obama. Barry Soetoro later became Barack Obama. Soetoro is the last name of his Indonesian stepfather.
SD why wasn’t this analysis posted much earlier in the game?
I did not like JD Vance and now this is disturbing to hear.
Why did Trump select such an uninspiring running mate that has the interests of the panopticon’s survival?
How would posting the analysis earlier have impacted PT’s pick of Vance? What difference would it have made?
Yes. I was one of the too stupid who wanted Trump’s policies to continue into a new administration, or “what 90% of short-sighted people wanted,” but I also wanted a Kamala-grade insurance policy. This is the opposite of insurance.
Why does Trump do anything that he does?! 🤷♂️🤦♂️😔
I think Sundance is also reminding us that all of our choices have been groomed, not just Obama. If the story sounds like a fairy tale, it probably is. JD’s has a better story than most and we want to believe….but we need to remember the only disrupter is Donald J Trump!
So you’re basically saying that Trump is an idiot for picking Vance
He was supposed to announce at 4:30pm and the announcement went out about an hour and half early. Why? Which was the correct time? Who got it wrong?
My question: was the assassination attempt the deciding factor? Was President Trump forced?
I found it very odd how he was announced. Almost like they jumped in before PT could
do it, himself. But, could have been at PTs direction.
That was two questions. A: Yes. Yes.
Who said Trump picked him? How about RNC imposing him on Trump like they did with Poppy Bush on Reagan.
Are you claiming Trump is a gullible fool allowing others to pick his Veep?
You can’t claim he plays 4D chess and then complain about his choices. JD was his final choice.
No, but its reasonable to ask why Trump would pick someone who has a history of being a rabid anti-Trumper and his past statements are indicative of this. Then his writes a book and mysteriously changes his opinions on Trump and everything.
4D chess or not, Trump or someone picked Pence.
FFS. There are so many rabid anti Trump comments that have been said. People evolve.
The book had nothing to do with anything.
There’s that word again….evolve.
Oh, and I’m sure the book had nothing at all to with anything, he just wanted to write a book.
Trump didn’t choose him, Mabelline Vance was installed. The 4d chess concern troll. Go back to Fox News. Trump warned us his VP pick was NOT mentioned in any of the MSM articles.
Whatever. Trump has the last say. I don’t watch TV news. Go back to your vitriolic brain storming. Bless your heart.
The Republican National Committee appointed Whatley as its general counsel in February 2023. In February 2024, Donald Trump endorsed Whatley to replace Ronna McDaniel as chair of the RNC. In March 2024, Whatley was elected as the new chair of the RNC, along with Lara Trump as his co-chair.
I knew it! It was Lara in the tea room with a butter knife!
J/K!!!!
This isn’t about how great Trump is. It never was. It’s about how bad the uniparty is.
I’d vote for Biden if he arrested and exposed the russiagate plotters, in full, to the American people.
So I guess he would arrest himself?
Then Biden would have to arrest himself.
No. That’s not what I read
I don’t buy that.
He’s not an idiot, it’s not that at all.
My wife keeps saying that it looks like Trump has changed since the assassination attempt, that he has lost the joy.
I think the Deep State made him an offer he couldn’t refuse. “You will put our boy in the copilot seat and if at any time you try to spit the bit we won’t miss the next time. Oh, and by the way– congratulations, that’s a handsome family you have there.”
There are trillions at stake.
Lots of sour grapes that Trump didn’t pick Dr. Gentle Ben. Buck up folks. We have the horse that we will ride to victory and crush the evil left.
It’s not sour grapes or complaining. That is a false argument to try to diminish legitimate concerns. It isn’t specifically about Ben Carson, it’s about having a VP candidate who is trustworthy and would absolutely not run in 2028. If you note in the article, Sundance states he doesn’t care who that would have been.
Yep, even though Carson appeared to dominate the Treehouse VP wish list, had PDJT chosen my pick, decided outlier Mr. ‘Grapes’ Devin Nunes, would the knives for him have come out as specifically as they have for Vance? IDK.
IOW, is it a world where anyone but Carson was ‘bad’, or is it a world where Vance is ‘bad’ on his own merits/demerits?
So far, I haven’t seen marked attacks by MSM on Vance and, if that holds, that’s one area which will concern me. The Communists and their mouthpieces attack threats.
Nunes would have been fabulous. But I am sure he prefers his new life.
It sure is a lot of whining. Maybe we can wait until the election is over?
You will never crush evil with a popularity contest government.
We at TCTH are not who decide these things. We are political examiners, performing autopsies on the failures we worked so hard to make happen.
Autopsies happen after someone dies. How about allowing Trump/Vance get to work first.
So either Trump knows all of Vance’s background or he is ignorant of some aspects of Vance’s background. On the surface both options are very concerning. Regardless, whoever brought Vance into Trump’s orbit is most likely a quisling(s) or a useful idiot. Seems like Don Jr is the one who helped bring Vance into Trump’s inner circle. What’s Don Jr’s problem? Is he is stupid? Gullible? Self important? So the Vance problem or any other problem for that matter cannot be completely dealt with until the mole(s) are rooted out.
I am glad to see Tucker is on the CTH “watchlist” as well. I have never really cared for the guy going all the back to when he started in the news biz. In my opinion he has never sufficiently apologized for his direct role in the election steal. Especially his role as the attack-dog on Sydney Powell when she was trying to bring evidence of the voter fraud.
Trumps kids are indeed stupid.
Trump’s kids were raised by a liberal democrat.
Never forget that.
I like Eric, he actually works and doesn’t have time to hang out with weirdos. Barron seems like a good kid.
Peter Thiel, the wife of Matt Danzeisen, brought Vance into Trump’s orbit via lots and lots of money. Politics is a pay to play game. Didn’t you know?
Everybody other than Donald Trump himself seems to be on the “CTH watchlist”. And some here have their doubts about Trump as well.
I view PDJT as a rally point, a commonly recognized point to organize around; MAGA is us. Recovering the Republic from the Communist scourge is up to us, personally. PDJT will come and go.
Sundance said Peter Theil brought Vance to DT in FL for his senate race. Why are others being called out like Don Jr as having a hand in it? Why not Theil again?
That’s why I don’t follow Man and all his planning, I follow the Lord Jesus Christ and Savior, and do what is right by him. It’s called reading the Bible and doing what is right and then you don’t have to fear what’s going to come.
You have good company here. This Is The Way.
Some say Crowdstrike has a PR nightmare on their hands with the IT outage today, I disagree.
I think it is an intentional action to cover up a PR nightmare for IC to hide/delete/redirect any digital path of what took place and failed 7/13.
I don’t trust CRWD. Something is happening or happened that requires an outage to use as cover.
Shawn Henry CSO, is former FBI, and he was involved with the DNC “Russian hack” narrative which was proven the download speed was similar to use of a thumb drive- see Seth Rich.
Crooks, what a pun.
10 days of darkness
Sure has the surreal feel of a Tom Clancy novel, indeed, an IT outage was plot line, “if it isn’t written…”.
Imagine a global banking outage and CBDC being there when banking returns. Far fetched? 🙂
Today’s outage may have been a trial run.
OK, what’s so chilling about Vivek Ramaswamy and Tucker Carlson?
Vivek has spoken of big Federal Gov’t reductions (in staffing).
I thought PT was picking a VP that would insure his own position?
Why not pick Bryan Daniel’s or WHO… Rand Paul?
FWIW, TC really goes off into UFOs, dark underworld figures, etc. in his new talk show meanderings.
FWIW, TC has not gone “off into UFOs, dark underworld figures, etc.” in almost all of his interviews.
He focused on UFO’s in one interview, and in two other interviews, he spoke with each of two brothers (Tate) who could be called “dark underworld figures.” That’s 3 out of about 160 interviews to date since he began his own show (TCN).
Tucker is being broadcast by a establishment entity. What part of that don’t you get?
Bless your heart.
Please name the “establishment entity”that is “broadcasting” Tucker?
Vance was born James Donald Bowman in Middletown, Ohio, a town halfway between Dayton and Cincinnati. Following his parents’ divorce, Bowman’s middle name was changed David.
James adopted his stepfather’s last name for some of his teenage years, with his 2003 senior yearbook identifying him as James Hamel. This was also the name used during James’ military service from 2003 to 2007, where he served as a Corporal in the Marines.
Marriage to JD Vance’s wife Usha
In 2014, Vance married his wife, Usha, and decided to take on his maternal grandparents’ surname. In his bestselling novel Hillbilly Elegy, and in his congressional bio, Vance has repeatedly emphasized their importance in his upbringing, and thanked his grandmother in his Senate victory speech, and in his vice presidential acceptance speech, causing the RNC audience to chant “Mamaw! Mamaw!”
so Treepers hoping your pearl strands are still intact!
WGAFig about his names. It’s everything else.
“We accept that this approach is going to make Peter Thiel, JD Vance and the entire Thiel/Musk network quite unhappy.”
This is what Trump is counting on. It appears that Trump now has an inside line to the Tech DS players and he is going to use it. He basically told Vance that last night. Trump knows what he is doing. Rest assured, Trump had Vance vetted every which way. He knows who he is. Trust Trump.
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Didn’t I hear our VSGPDJT say that imposing a ‘carbon tax’ (as Elon has championed) was a non-starter in his next administration . . .?
PDJ Trump has also just stated that as #47 he will Not allow the CB Digital Currency scam that the Marxist Dims/Globalist Controllers want.
They ended the convention with Pavarotti singing Nessum Dorma – Magnificent.
This video is superior and there lots of anons in the comments section
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Watch “The Sum Of All Fears – Nessun Dorma” on YouTube
Gorgeous.
So is Vance (like Obama) some kind of Manchurian Candidate?
More like an insurance policy on their investments in surveillance tech, mRNA vaccines, military industrial complex, etc.
yes
For all those who are asking why Sunadance didn’t expose Vance sooner, he did. You just didn’t read his article, I guess.
This is the most recent article Sundance wrote BEFORE Vance was announced as VP running mate.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/07/12/perhaps-concerning-perhaps-not-donald-trump-jr-will-introduce-president-trumps-vice-presidential-nominee-at-rnc-convention/
Thank you 👍
“For all those who are asking why Sundance didn’t expose Vance sooner…”
Who are you to even ask??
Last I knew, he doesn’t write articles on demand.
I certainly was not the one asking.
I have seen accusations toward Sundance,
as if he just wrote criticism of Vance after he was chosen as VP nominee.
I will back Sundance up whenever I can.
I read it… and disagreed.
All this info is interesting, but, frankly the belly-aching I’m reading seems to assume that Trump is a congenital idiot who didn’t do any research into his potential VP picks. Is Vance perfect? No. Of course not. NONE of the candidates are. I seriously doubt that there is anyone out there who is perfect. Trump chose Vance. I’m willing to trust Trump’s judgement until I have proof, from Vance’s own actions, that Trump made a mistake.
Bingo.
No one is saying trust without doubt. But there are those who have said Elon Musk is a problem and yet his platform is the only one keep bulk of the world truly informed. I preferred Carson, but we didn’t get Rubio or that dud from North Dakota.
However, doubt without trust …
You didn’t get the memo? I thought we are all supposed to get in the corner and cry. Then just stay home in November.
Trump isn’t perfect – he made horrific choices during his last Admin and he continues to make them.
I suspect he has too many blind spots due to his optimism and trust in people, and also in his own ability to rally others to his side.
He doesn’t seem to see things as objectively as many of us do and perhaps that makes sense…
I never liked Vance and was disappointed to hear he was the pick.
I would guess that Trump was making an effort to secure the tech vote just as he was pandering for the black and brown vote. I have no respect for that type of pandering and it makes me see Trump as just another politician.
If we see a Great Deportation I’ll be satisfied but is there’s a “big beautiful door“ opened wide for Indian tech workers I’ll feel very betrayed.
I want that door closed and all illegals out, and all green cards pulled as well.
We need to be ourselves for awhile and stay out of everyone’s business – no more fighting, funding, or starting wars either.
Trump endorsed never Trumper Mike Rogers for the Michigan US senate race. What’s the logic on that? Makes me think there are swamp creatures still around Trump.
Agree.
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
Hope Donald gave that advice, from Don Corelone, to Don, Jr.,.. re: Vance. Two can play the Pay for Play political game.
Trump should also put his recommendation of a # 48 successor candidate in writing now and hide it in a safe, trusted place (who?),…. until it may be needed later!
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IT outages.
Leeds burning.
Bush Cheney collaboration in Trump’s stock.
NCSWIC
Same old story, since forever.
Seriously, you are ridiculing his wedding photo? We can do better than being like this.
Trump has picked JD… not my first pick. But I am willing to give him a chance.
All this negativity is helping nobody!
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I think the pictures are in bad taste. NOBODY is correct all the time. NOBODY.
You realize Sundance didn’t sneak into Vance’s house to get those photos, right?
Someone in Vance’s orbit, or Vance himself put them out there.
sheesh 🙄 🤦
You realize that the picture with the guitar was photo shopped, right? SHeesh
Of course they are out there. It’s from his wedding and he is married to a lovely woman.
However, using this photo here is for ridicule, because he respected his wife’s Indian heritage.
Stop the hating.
I may be wrong, but I think Sundance is trying to illustrate that the character / persona of J.D. Vance has been created via a guided (manipulated?) adult life path (post high school) that is accompanied by “accomplishments” marked by achievements, titles, a book, a wedding, that have all been designed to slide past most Americans’ “radar”……….
I too am willing to give Vance the opportunity to prove his MAGA bona fides. Carson was my preference but PDJT has his reasons -it seems that Vance’s potential to pull several critical swing states over to Trump was the most important….
Sundance has given us enough of a background analysis to make sure we watch this man Vance objectively, without any incorrect presumptions going in…
Holy Cow!
Common sense!
It may never catch on, but it cetainly is refreshing. Thank you, GB Bari.
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If nothing else,
look what happened to Pence
after
being the Vice President; smashed….
-poof 💨 💨💨
It was more
than his unlike ability
and the fly.
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Excellent comment, GB. Will follow your advice. Will keep eyes on Vance. But will remain a suspicious cat.
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Yep, and Who’s Zooming Who now?
Vance is picked to bring in the Mid-West vote to get Donald’s Potus win.
First Win,… then sort out Trump’s WH operating rules,… they are his to make, Not JD’s.
Donald learned his ‘bad picks’ lesson the hard way as # 45,.. doubt he’ll be “Fooled Again!”.
I agree with some of that, but to live with such cynicism daily is depressing. It helps nobody. How about letting people fu*k up before they are criticized?
Unlike Obama, I trust Vance not to screw over his people, because we know who Vance’ people are.
If I am right… I expect apologies. If I am wrong, I will stand corrected. As of now, I am not pushing all this negativity.
I will do my best to get people out to vote for Trump/Vance and then I can deal what may come.
No matter what… this ticket is superior to whoever the Democrats will try to cheat for.
Well, it is no longer “cynicism”, per se, it’s recognizing very real possibility and above-normal probability of history repeating itself, since it so often does, and adjusting our expectations accordingly so that we are not surprised if one of the people on Trump’s team – Vance in this case – says or does something out of alignment with Pres. Trump’s policies or stated goals.
all of you who are not critical of Vance… his name has been out there for months, where were you with all this knowledge and opinion?
WHO? who would you choose??
I am tired of all the griping from the sidelines. How about we get busy and WIN.? all the negativity dicourages marginal voters and gives Dems ammunition. Stop!
I wish that I shared Sundance’s optimism. I don’t. If by some miracle Trump does regain the White House, with a Manchurian Candidate waiting in the wings, his usefulness will be at an end.
I have written before that there was once a Jew named Saul of Tarsus, who approved of the execution of St. Stephen for WrongThink and was arresting people and throwing them in jail for similar “crimes.”
As we know, Saul evolved into Paul, and then St. Paul became a “13th Apostle,” opening up the new religion to Gentiles and freeing it from being simply a variation of Judaism.
It has been noted that converts to Catholicism often are more loyal to the Faith, and Conservative in their views, than those baptized at birth into it.
I have also written that, depending on the president, the vice-president may not be very important to, or have any influence upon, his president’s administration.
So we shall see what happens!
Ronald Reagan said: “Trust, but verify!”
And an Islamic saying is similar: “Trust in Allah, but tie up your camel!” 🙂
Ah yes, this reminds me of another “Christian” named Mike Pence who acted like the trustworthy, pious, quiet, thoughtful right hand man to Trump until he detonated at the exact time the Deep State (and other interests) needed him to. So please excuse us as we “test the spirits” so to speak. JD has some very concerning background issues and probably more to come that need direct sunlight on them.
Indeed, therefore “verify,” by all means.
Ronald Reagan said: “Trust, but verify!” –
Then his VP GHWB had his close family friend who had lunch with him recently, shoot President Reagan, and the rest is history.
I have to admit I dropped the ball a little.
The out of nowhere thing again.
Was right on it with Vivek 🫣
I didn’t know much about Vance.
You’re in good company. I don’t think most of us knew about the details that Sundance has presented here.
The apostle Peter was a thorn in Jesus’s side.
An emotional headstrong follower, Christ rebuked Peter for injuring a Roman soldier and told him he would deny Jesus.
Despite his shortcomings, Christ chose Peter to lead his church. He saw something in Peter others missed
I think that something like that occurred in the VP selection . Perhaps what convinced Trump to select Vance was that Vance grew out of Atheism to become a what appears to be a devout Christian.
But, do Christian values mean anything in political decision making?
That’s pretty close to what Senator Feinstein asked ACB.
Vance also grew out of being a Never Trumper, like many former Democrats… who now are strong Trump supporters.
Those who evolved from something are more loyal in general than those who stay stagnant. When I look at people attending rallies etc… many came from somewhere else. Without those who walked away… the GOP could never win again.
One question I have is, if TPTB knew on Saturday that Vance was going to be selected VP the following week, and he is their guy, their wedge into the MAGA fold, their insurance policy, their back-door plan, then why try to assassinate PT then? Did they think Vance would somehow ascend to the Repub presidential nomination anyway if they succeeded? Seems like shooting themselves in the foot, particularly if you are the type to bet on both sides.
Might have been a Haley/Vance ticket. “To honor the nation’s tragic loss, we’ll go with whom PT had selected…”
Nothing is lost at this point. We are all very lucky to have this ticket.
Hating on everyone who came from a different past and opinion, but that has seen the way and changed their way of thinking is extremely small minded.
It’s good to have more information. But it’s not good judging people before they get a chance to prove themselves.
VIVA CTH! President Trump could pick a dirty catbox for a running mate and I reckon he could make it work.
What sucks for bowman and his POS tech overlords is we will be all over him like a cheap suit.
If the Creator gives us another chance with President Trump’s leadership(we ain’t there yet) hopefully he can straighten our voting system out so a ’28 endorsement looming like Loomer might actually work to keep folks minds right.
Never doubt the gut mind axis.
I do not necessarily buy into Sundance’s analysis of JD’s role in this race. If you trust Trump, you trust his judgement regarding Vance; or else, you may think he has been duped. In the former case, one remains sanguine; in the later, fearful.
You are focusing on Trump. Sundance is focusing on JD. Is JD fully on board with MAGA? There is evidence that he might not be. Trump might have chosen JD for strategic reasons, it doesn’t mean he was duped. But we need to demand actionable results, as Sundance says. We need to demand that JD at least act like he’s on board with MAGA even if he really isn’t. 🙂
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My impression was that our VSGPDJT does not feel close at all to Vance.
JD and his wife were not front and center with the Trumps. They went from one side of the gathering to the other, attempting to ‘fit in’ somewhere.
They were separated with Jr and Kimberly, and also Javanka.
It appeared that the gracious Melanie finally saw put to get the two ‘power couples’ grouped together at the end of the stage appearance.
It looked to me that the Trump children are not aligned together as a unit.
Eric and Tiffany to President Trump’s right and Ivanka and Don Jr to his left.
Vanessa kept to the background mainly but her presence means a ton.
There are people that rag on Kimberly here: just maybe she is a ‘protective agent’ for Don Jr and has the president’s back to cover his flank . . .?
I just did not see a comfortable JD Vance on that stage. I saw him feeling uncomfortable in his own skin, but trying like heck to not to show it.
“It looked to me that the Trump children are not aligned together as a unit.”
Half-siblings don’t always get as close as full siblings tend to do. These children are from three different mothers.
Vanessa has retained a good relationship with the family despite her & Don Jr’s divorce. Their daughter Kai’s speech was visible evidence of that positive relationship.
And Kimberly’s son from a prior marriage was there too. A very blended family.
The only one missing was Barron.
On Tuesday evening, I got curious and read JD’s Wiki. I liked the guy util I read his story and saw he was all over the place with career changes and name changes. That got me thinking. Why would a young family man leave a lucrative tech position for the unknown?
Too bad Don JR & Eric couldn’t see that mirror.
You all need to understand, we Ohioans had few choices and JD was replacing Portman. Had it not been for Trumps endorsement, I doubt he would have won.
What Sundance his written about J.D. Vance is very concerning. I’m suspicious of Vance.
However, at this point, I’ll go with Reagan’s “Trust but verify” axiom. I freely admit that I was “Never Trump” in 2016, for some valid reasons. However, Trump proved me wrong during his Presidency. In 2024, I cannot afford to be either “Never Vance” or “Never Trump” (though the latter is clearly off the table).
Obama, Biden, and Bill&Hill Clinton were arguably “bought politicians”. Trump clearly is his own man, and he has vetted and chosen J.D. Vance as his VP. We should support Trump, hope for the best for JD Vance, pray for the country, and them both. Thiel et. al. may think that they have purchased influence with Vance, and certainly, his benefactors have earned the right to have the VP pick up the phone to talk, but that doesn’t mean that they own Vance (unless they actually have something compromising on him). We’ll have to see what kind of man Vance actually is. If he turns out to be a fraud, a construct, well honestly, then he’s just like 95% of the rest of the elected GOP. Remember, as written in the Biblical Old Testament, God used evil Kings for His own good purposes, and he can use Biden, or anyone else in the US government to do good in spite of themselves.
To dismantle and rebuild the corrupt DHS/DOJ-FBI/CIA, and the rest of the IC will take some heavy lifting no matter who was VP. Defeating evil will require divine providence, divine intervention, which has always been the case since the republic was founded with the blood of patriots and heroes. God BLESS, the USA.
All of this is just depressing. We did not even get a chance to be happy that PDJT survived an assassination attempt, accepted the RNC presidential nomination, and enjoy the party. We immediately had to go to “Let me ruin your sense of peace” mode.
We weren’t even allowed a smidgeon of “winning” even if was just temporary. We just cannot have a sense of victory for even one second.
When my mother’s husband of 40 years died my brother had just found out that he was terminally ill with cancer. He waited a couple of months before he told her because that is the nice thing to do.
Do you tell your husband bad news on his birthday? Maybe break up with your girlfriend on the day she finds out that she got the promotion? Tell your child that mommy and daddy are getting divorced on Christmas? All of this could have waited a week or two.
We just don’t get to have nice things or any sense of peace or hope for the future not even one week.
Of course. MAGA has been under assault ever since PDJT went down the escalator. I just want one week to feel like we were winning. Just one week without more depressing news.
This topic could have been put aside for at least a week. Today we could have had a thread about “What did you get out of PDJT’s speech?”
Celebrating is part of keeping morale up. When morale is up, people stay and fight. People stay with the movement.
Wiping the smiles off of people’s faces when they are celebrating is not a great way to keeping morale up. Not a great way to form a winning team.
My mother used to ruin every holiday or family get together by bawling her eyes out in order to suck the happiness out of the room. Every holiday. I dreaded family get togethers because of that.
I wanted to celebrate the miracle in Butler, Trump getting the nomination, and enjoy the uplifting speeches with the party. I did not want to be greeted with more bad news that was not even time sensitive. If JD is a snake then he has been a snake for a long time and will continue to be a snake. We could have waited a week to throw water on the celebrations.
If Sundance had presented incontrovertible damaging info about JD, like a leaked phone call during the convention in which JD said “Trump is an idiot, I can’t believe I suckered him”, wouldn’t you be happy you saw it rather than not know about it?
Obviously what Sundance posted isn’t that bad, but it should put all of us on alert. This is a very dangerous time right now. You cannot let your guard down.
Sure… but that hasn’t happened.
For me, every day is a gift. I truly hope you find that place of peace.
I agree.
Puts a whole new meaning on his statement “I promise you I will never forget where I came from, don’t it.”
The hope here is this is Trump’s version of The Rope-a-Dope… or a next level game of Keep Your Enemies Close.
I hope I’m wrong but I think the likelihood of that is ’bout zero.
Thank you for succinct and righteous, bottom-line Sundance!
I’m praying that this is a situation where trump is going to take advantage of the inflow of cash that will come with J.D. Vance to help secure the election and at the same time allowing him to keep his friends close and his enemies closer.
Who can be trusted? I, of course, know President Trump can be. The only other name I hear is Dr. Carson. Is that it? Are there no others? Apparently there is skepticism of Bannon and Navarro, too.
It’s never a good hand with this party system, it’s always got a huge compromise in the heart of it. You’re basically saying the abuser is Trump himself, forever opening the doors to the enemy while simultaneously telling us they are the greatest person for the job. I’ve been watching this con job since 2017.
I gave up on this republican whore house ever producing transparent, godly leaders. The best possible VP was Carson, but he didn’t have the hot goods to please the needed voting blocs. So we got a Thiel plant. Great!
I keep my focus on the Better Country not built with human hands. There’s little point in falling all over the best of the worst this phony “republic” hands to us. I’ll continue to be grateful for the moments of peace given to me, but prepared to have it taken at any moment.
Dear Lord, deliver us from evil of all colors. Don’t let us be fooled by the party decorations and sweet talk these frauds spew.
Sundance, how does information like you provide here get to President Trump?
Trump needs to select people NOT OF WASHINGTON!!!!! There are a few exceptions like Dr. Ben Carson. BUT, any current member of the GOP in Congress is a NO GO! They are all guilty of being on the take and not doing near enough to fix the problems. The logical conclusion from this pick is God wants America punished for throwing Him out of everything: government, schools, work place, home. He will have His way unless we obey. This is His last warning. Are we paying attention yet?
Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING has been off kilter since 6:11 PM EST on Saturday June 13 2024. I am not a JDV fan, probably never will be. Something that seemed off to me and others was as soon as he was announced as VP candidate on Monday, was the sudden and overwhelming response online of “if you’re not pro Vance, then, you’re not pro MAGA. Talk about the feeling of having something shoved down your throat.
My main concern in regard to JDV is that he’ll be another Pence. I hope and pray that I am wrong.
When a no-name Ivy League graduate writes a book of his lived experiences and then some billionaire decides years late that it’s a movie worthy venture just prior to Vance running for Senate in OH, throws up a few red flags to me. The timeline of these carefully constructed events is all too coincidental in my opinion.
My hopes are that DJT is playing chess & ‘keeping his friends close, but his enemies closer.’
Unfortunately, my intuition is telling me something different bc of the bromance between Jr. & Vance. I want to believe jr is a good judge of character, but his actions & other close relationship choices tell me otherwise. Maybe it’s just that Jr. always sees the best in others which is a great character trait I don’t share. I’m skeptical of everything and everyone bedsides my family & that’s bc they have a proven track record of supporting me in the good times and bad.
Regardless of the future, I can remain optimistic bc if God be for me then who can be against me? No one!
I forget who authored this quote, but it’s one of my favs: “I can only control 2 things: attitude & effort.”
We hope you are right about keeping friends close and enemies closer, but we think not. Someone else said his “picker” is broken. We thinks this is true when it comes to his cabinet. Another good American in this thread said he hasn’t been right since being shot. We agree with that too. Was that bullet “tipped” with a chemical or biological weapon? Why the change to unity when he has biteme and his regime on the ropes? We want the “crush their freaking nuts” version of Trump back.
Somethings wrong.
I can’t say how one should respond to an azzazzination attempt, but I can imagine that the experience would humble a person a bit to say the least.
However, with that being said, I feel like DJT’s ambivalent (or mild) behavior at the RNC was to rise above the level of evil opposing him & speak from a softer side to voters who are undecided bc of the 💩 they’ve heard from media. Plus, I think DJT had to walk a fine line with his speech to display a level of respect to the people who attended the rally, especially the individuals family who died & the others who were injured. Unity is a winning strategy at the RNC given the horrible event that just happened less than a week ago, but things are about to ramp back up bc of the upcoming election. I’m sure we will see djt put the gloves back on soon. He’s a fighter!
Jr is this years Kushner……
J.D. Vance, Artificial Indian
Shame on you.
Bless your heart.
I know people like Vance. I, too, was raised in Appalacia. Dad was a coal miner. There were seven of us kids. We ate what Dad shot or trapped or fished (in and out of season) and what was in the garden or canned in the cellar.
Steven Vincent Benet in John Brown’s Body describes us: “They are a curious and most native stock…They keep the fiddle …also the rifle and the frying-pan, The old feud-temper and the old feud-way of thinking strangers better shot on sight but treating strangers that one leaves unshot with border hospitality…Of Fundamentalism, calomel, clan-virtues, clannish vices, fiddle tunes and a hard God. They are our last frontier. They shot the railway train when it first came, and when the Fords first came, they shot the Fords. It could not save them. They are dying now or being EDUCATED, which is the same.”
Accurate description of us. Education has ruined us.
Education has become purely professional programming of commie propaganda and the recipients thereof have so infinitesimally little knowledge of modern history that they are totally clueless …..
Did your dad attend Yale and hook up with some billionaires and then make millions of $$$ from venture capital investments?
If Palantir is the all-seeing eye of Sauron, [the surveillance state] and Mithril is wealth from the deep underworld, who or what is JD Vance?
Once a marine ALWAYS a marine
The billionaire’s boys club gets what it wants – always.
They need our votes though. 🙂
Not really. Just enough for them to hide behind as they cook up another batch of fake ballot stew.
At least we know they can’t cook up so many that the total exceeds the adult population. 🙂
If all these things are Divine Interventions from The God Almighty, then no worries, “If God is for us, who can be against us”. Continue to pray that God will give President Trump spiritual eyes and discernment to see evil schemes and that includes everyone around his administration. We need to PRAY always. Whatever their hidden plans, they will not prevail. Have we not seen a lot of those lately. Keep the faith in Jesus.🙏
I now feel empowered by Sundance’s article and the comments about it, even the comments I’m not in agreement with. This is all very helpful to sort out feelings and opinions. It’s only with the most complete set of info that you can make good decisions in our lives, right? It’s necessary we know as much as possible about JD, even if what we learn is unsettling.
SAN: Never got the sense that DJT went into a deal unaware of backgrounds, other players, possible outcomes. After all, the man is reputed to play 3-dimensional chess.
He may know all of the about JD, and more. It’s not unnoticed that Pres. Trump often takes on the look of “Suspicious Cat.”
More to come.
The man who wrote “The Art of The Deal” pandered A million dollar loan from his father into a multi Billion dollar/multi national company, faced down both Putin and China and neutralized North Korea to name but a few accomplishments but failed to properly vet his VP? Keep out guessing my president if you must. It’s fun to watch.
I am more concerned that this Vance skepticism will catch on and too many folks will stay home come November or vote for G Washington instead of D.J. Trump.
I can see this Vance skepticism make people who were thinking about volunteering to be a poll watcher, down ballot R voter, get out the vote motivator, or a brand new to the MAGA movement complete with a t-shirt and a cap think, “Why bother? If the fix is in and Trump is too stupid to see what Vance is then why bother?”
It is not high praise and a good look for PDJT and the MAGA movement.
If Trump chose Vance for strategic reasons then it might be a good thing for us. But we need to not assume he’s MAGA.
Then perhaps we should have an article discussing perhaps “What Strategic Reasons Exist For Choosing Vance for VP?”
Maybe we can discuss why PDJT is outwitting them, the advantages to putting Vance nearby, maybe Trump is not so stupid after all, or any other strategies.
MAGA ends in 2028, according to this article, because we got fooled again.
It’s possible Trump chose JD for his connections and not so much to carry on MAGA in 2028. In that case nobody was fooled, but it does mean we need to find someone else for 2028 and at the moment nobody is obvious, to me at least. Even if they don’t use the MAGA term or pledge loyalty to Trump, we can still elect someone who has the same agenda. Most notably keeping the border secure, not pushing EVs on us, ramping up our own manufacturing, bringing interest rates down, etc. And I would add keeping men out of women’s bathrooms, locker rooms, and sports.
The Art of the Horse Trade is where we are. US politics is rife with it and there is no escape and no cure. There isn’t an ideal candidate alive; they all have backgrounds or features with serious complications.
I have my preferences but ultimately I, like you all, must choose a team. This VP choice was made for us. So, who cares why it’s the multi-named Yalester, it is what it is.
Not necessarily failed to properly vet. Perhaps chose for strategic reasons. But we MAGA voters must be aware that JD might not be MAGA. If he’s going to be Trump’s VP he’d better well act like he is. And if he runs for President in 2028 as the MAGA torch-bearer, we had better vet him before voting for him.
Then perhaps we should work on getting PDJT into the WH this year and then worry about Vance after the inauguration.
We are also trying to sell a product called PDJT/Vance and MAGA. At this point in the sales pitch, it is probably not a great idea to talk down Vance because it makes Trump look stupid which makes MAGA weak. That is not a great way to convince people who have voted commie dem all of their life to switch and “buy” a brand new product.
I completely agree with your comment. I decided to not repeat any of the stuff I have read or written here in any other forum. I’ve learned enough today to lower my expectations about JD and assume (until proven otherwise) he will not succeed Trump. We can discuss Vance AFTER the inauguration.