President Trump joins David Sacks, Chamath Palihapitiya, Jason Calacanis, and David Friedberg for an extensive panel interview on policy and current political events.
This interview and discussion comes approximately a week after President Trump was in California at the home of David Sacks talking to tech insiders, venture capitalists and young industrialists. WATCH:
VIDEO SEGMENTS:
(0:00) Bestie intros: Big house talk!
(1:37) Economy: Regulation, taxes, tariffs, taming inflation, de-dollarization
(12:02) Federal debt: growth, spend control, where to cut, role of energy, nuclear
(20:22) Foreign policy: Ukraine/Russia
(25:05) Foreign policy: Israel/Palestine
(28:13) Abortion: Stance on a national ban
(31:09) Foreign policy: China
(32:33) COVID: Origins, Fauci relationship, deep state, bad deals
(39:39) Border: Wall, immigration, H-1Bs, recruiting global talent
(46:07) JFK Files: Full release, importance of transparency
(48:06) Debate prediction
(50:15) Post-interview debrief
“All in” by giving green cards with diplomas.
Quite the shift from “deport them all”. But… Then again, I’m still waiting for the promised “prosecutions”…
In 2015 Trump tweeted re letting foreign college grads stay. Do you want legit geniuses to take their knowledge and create a new company here or in country of their birth.
They still need to be vetted, and Trump showed little inclination in his first term to flood the nation with H1B’s.
Finally, Trump is getting rid of the border hopping illegals who cause problems, cost billions in annual support, court costs and jail expenses, besides devastating families who are victims of additional crime.
Seems silly to have to rehash this stuff, but here we are.
If they send their money home, that’s not helpful to our economy. If along the way they get to send for mom and dad, then siblings, then their twice-removed great uncle by marriage, that’s a whole other problem.
Why aren’t they studying and getting degrees in their own countries?
“If along the way they get to send for mom and dad, then siblings, then their twice-removed great uncle by marriage, that’s a whole other problem.”
^^^ THIS ^^^^
Most people do not understand how the laws have changed and how badly the American taxpayers have been taken advantage of by this practice! When my in-laws came here after WWII they had to prove that they were financially able to provide for themselves and they had to sign documents that they would NEVER be eligible for ANY type of public assistance – and there was NO such thing as “family reunification” that would allow them to bring all of their relatives over as well!
But in the 70s that all changed and now ONE person gets a job via an H1B VISA and suddenly 5-10 family members are allowed to come as well and they are immediately signed up for SSI/Medicare/Medicaid etc! It not only costs an American the opportunity to get a job in their chosen field (because the green card holder will work for less) but it costs the taxpayers thousands of dollars every month to support people who NEVER worked a single day in this country!
Call your Democrat congress person. Go see him or her eye to eye. Let your concerns be known.
Call your
Democratcongress person.Fixed it for you 🙂
yes, that was an unfortunate statement by President Trump regarding the Green card thing. Also a pander to the Big Tech, based on their great big tech lie of “we need the best and brightest”… when what we all know they really mean is “we need the cheapest and most compliant”.
Yes, it was a pander to big tech to get their donations.
Let’s hope that saner voices prevail, since America First certainly does not entail Foreign Youth First.
I think President Trump knows this, and hopefully is either giving lip service to Big Tech.
That being said, young Americans are better off getting real jobs than being computer jockeys and middle managers for liberal tech co’s.
President Trump has to pander to these billionaire tech people otherwise he won’t win in November!!!
It’s the lay of the land now and just that simple.
You are right! TRUMP has to get in before he can do anything.
I TRUST TRUMP!
Agree! That was pretty difficult to watch. The guy with the pink tie makes my stomach turn. I get President Trump has to get elected, and I get he is pragmatic but I am sorry, if the “biggest issue this election is abortion and Roe V Wade” we as a nation are sunk. These people are amoral. Sorry, I call them as I see them. We are lost if what the most important thing is that we can legally kill babies.
NO! Abortion IS the biggest issue for us! We’re Kllling our own American citizens, just to import them at the southern border!
ALSO, at this time in our history, we NEED God more than ever!!! You think He’ll help us if we’re killing His babies? No. He’ll punish us!!!
Yes! to everything you just said. I agree! I did not make myself clear. The guy with the pink tie (Jason I believe) said, “according to the experts, THE deciding issue for the election could be the abortion ban issue”, my point being if that is what is so deeply important to people that we have a legal way to kill babies we are sunk as a nation. We have lost the hearts and minds of too many people on too many important issues. This is just another example. Also, referring to “Jason” he said he didn’t get to bring up the Jan 6th issue, which I am guessing he is of the opinion that it was an “insurrection” and all of the other media lies that were spoon fed to him. He probably thinks covid was a pandemic, he is probably jabbed, wore the mask, believed everything Fauci said, etc. The point I am trying to make is that the people that are in the most spiritual darkness, their darkened mind believes a lot of other lies too. He is a perfect example of that.
We are in an information war….
Save your time…none of them give a crap about us! It’s time to get rid of them and replace the system! They own and use it against us….and they’re lined up one behind the other when one goes down! But if we get rid of the system they own and use……….not to say those that are traitors and have used the system against Americans should not be held accountable…they should! As traitors and we know what they used to do to…traitors!
Useless – LET TRUMP KNOW WE THE PEOPLE DISAPPROVE
Not sure I disapprove. Green cards are given out for any number of reasons, right? People can apply for green cards if they are breathing! We are not going to stop giving them out.
Take a look at all the criteria. https://www.uscis.gov/green-card/green-card-eligibility-categories
As part of any immigration reform I am all for reviewing the categories. Some are ridiculous. If we add college degree there must be at least two removed or some such change. I would include college degree over some of the others.
I live near Intel, in Oregon. Your comments are absolutely spot on. And don’t forget to include the driver’s licenses and motor voter registration fraud issued here like candy.
For sure. I lived up the hill from the MAC and watched many, many immigrant Intel workers bring in their spouse, have a kid/year, then granny for childcare wearing a sari or hijab walking the halls of the building. Overwhelming.
Don’t believe it. Review the records of your county. The Dept of Social Services, county health dept, the local hospitals if you have one still open, the school systems….
She is right – you are wrong about this – check it out for yourself. There were many rules back in the day about bringing in family. No rules today.
FULLY agreeing..my point was look at any county records. MOST if not ALL of this ‘new’ citiizens are on Medicade pd by you and I. Our counties and budgets have been destroyed. They compete for housing and they destroy school systems, local hospitals, health depts and social services’ budgets. AND ANYONE NOTICING ALL THE so-called old maladies, small pox, measles, whooping cough, REAPPEARING?? Any wonder why?
An H1b Visa holder can only bring in spouse and underage children.
The spouse can work only if the H1b holder has applied for a Green Card, the children can’t.
None can receive welfare while here due to an H1b visa.
H1b visa holders are NOT illegal immigrants, they all have STEM degrees, and they all have been highly vetted by both the employers and the govt.
In this specific case, they are sending us their very best and that is a good thing.
There is a LOT of confusion between what H1b visa holders can legally do and the wholesale national suicide Biden has implemented through his open borders.
The outcries about H1b visa holders stealing American jobs are mostly hogwash. Employers must show that they have tried and failed to hire qualified citizens first. They must also prove that they are paying competitive compensation at or above the national mean for the same skill levels.
The H1b visas are targeted at jobs requiring high level skills in STEM fields (Science, Tech, Engineering, Math) which our universities are not producing at anywhere near the numbers needed to fill job openings here. The severe limits on H1b visas leaves American companies with either hiring less skilled employees or move their most advanced jobs overseas to where there are high levels of well qualified STEM employees available. No American company can compete successfully in STEM fields with only what US university graduate produce each year …all declining in both quality and numbers.
Don’t cry that your daughter’s C avg degree in computer science from state was replaced by an Indian at Microsoft with a cum laude degree from MIT or a top Indian tech university. I’ve had to hire both types at the same pay and only one could produce world class work on a regular basis.
Yes, there are unfortunate exploits of any govt program, but the H1b visa program is a rare net positive for every American.
Employers must show that they have tried and failed to hire qualified citizens first. They must also prove that they are paying competitive compensation
Tell that to all the people that have had to train their replacement.
Exactly
H1B’s are regularly exploited by corporations to replace American tech workers whether the recipient went to school here or abroad.
And it is always for significantly less compensation and they “don’t” have to prove otherwise.
The quantity of numbers of graduating is in decline because colleges and universities have granted more openings to foreigners because of all of the extra money they can charge out of country students.
The quality went down due to DEI policies allowing foreigners and minorities whose scores were lower than many whites, particularly males.
Everything above is well documented.
And your assumption that that other commenter had a child that a C average is unfounded, unsupported and insulting.
So all of what you allege is hogwash.
Sigh. Hogwash?
As usual BK, you’re the Baghdad Bob of CTH. Your repeated ignorance is abysmal. Usually, I just ignore you and move on to more perceptive or knowledgeable posts, but you chose to make it personal. Bad choice. Contrary to your blathering, I’ve worked with the program and have a clue what it really does.
We had to offer a minimum baseline (currently 60k), but no less than the prevailing wage for the job classification in the same area as determined by the DoL, not me or the company. It depended on the job type, where, and the prevailing wages for similar positions in the same geographical area. We were audited regularly on our H1b compensation levels and had to provide documented proof or face fines, loss of H1b visa privileges, and back-pay if necessary.
Are there abuses? Of course, this is America and it’s a govt program. But for every abuse you can dig up I can point to hundreds that weren’t. Bug off.
I have neither the time nor the interest to waste on replying to the rest of your trash. If “Everything above is well documented” then you won’t have any problem posting such that can’t be readily refuted.
Do it …or better yet, stop pretending to know something you don’t.
On the preceding post, you made a reply to me claiming you had moved to Ohio from Florida.
Down thread, you made replies and comments claiming you lived “here” in Florida to others; and you would support Meatball against a potential run against Rubio.
How can you live in Florida if you sold out and moved to Ohio?
How can you support (vote) Meatball if you don’t live in Florida anymore.
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ALL of this is there for any Treeper or visitor to go back, see and review for themselves. 👀 <<<<<
And you questioned my credibility? And now cast aspersions and name call?
😃 😀 😄 😁 🤣
Meatball and supporting H1B's have something in common: both are supported and promoted by the WEF the DS IC and globalists billionaires (Sea Island). 👀 <<<<<
He he he he he. Been fun.
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Sigh. Another typical Baghdad Bob reply.
Can’t counter the evidence of your ignorance, so you try to misdirect. Sorry, no coupee doll for you.
I live on a SE Ohio homestead these days. Fact. I was born and raised in Florida, and until last year, was retired there among friends and family.
I still own property in Florida and visit often. I remain a member of the Republican Party there.
Rubio’s Senate seat will be contested in the 2028 primary 4 years from now.
Where I will vote in ’28 is still to be determined. My choice, not yours. Either way, I will support and contribute to the best candidate in the primary and the election.
All of which is none of your business. As any Treeper can go back and see.
Cast aspersions? Oh Dear, bless your pea picking little heart. Pot calling the kettle black, as any Treeper can go back and see.
I posted facts. You called them hogwash. I supported the facts. You misdirected.
Do better.
So, you are going to choose where you vote?
And a member or the R party here?
Very telling. 👀
Like every other citizen of this country, I am free to choose where I declare my legal domicile. Currently it’s Ohio because I spend more time here. But I still own there and am free to reverse my domicile at any time of my choosing.
Snowbird. My choice, not yours.
“Very telling.” Sigh, you’re desperate.
Do better.
So sorry. Not going well for you down thread either.
BTW – my kids, whom I homeschooled, both graduated with honors from a top university and both are doing quite well in their careers!
I do agree that American universities are often doing an abysmal job preparing their students for life in the real world. There are not enough young people being encouraged to enter STEM majors because they are hard and too many kids would rather get a grievance study degree and then complain about the fact that they can’t find a job that pays enough to live.
But I will not back down from my assertion that there is a major abuse of our so-called safety nets when we allow parents/siblings/other family members of foreign workers to come here to join them and they then get signed up to receive SSI and Medicare/Medicaid! I worked in the banking industry for years and I dealt with this first hand, many times! One person, from a foreign country, would come over for a job at Microsoft or Boeing (I live in Washington State) and shortly thereafter, they would bring in their family members who had come to live with them and open a savings account for them, so they could get them signed up for direct deposit of their benefit payments. Whether it is “supposed” to be happening, or not, it IS happening, and there are a lot of people in our government, and in our major corporations, who like the system just the way it is, and until enough of us speak up, it will continue to happen!
Agree with everything you said.
Congratulations. Wish I had homeschooled mine but I was overseas too much when they were in school. Public schools are a mess.
I have good friends who homeschooled, and one of them is at MIT now.
As far as foreign workers are concerned, I can only speak to the facts as I know them. If they are on an H1b visa, they can bring in only their spouse and minor children. Thats the law. Period.
OTOH, I’m married to a Thai who earned her citizenship the legal way. She owned her own company and could bring in any of her relatives as long as they had no criminal records, we could prove the ability to support, and they were barred from receiving any public support for 5 years. SCOTUS just had the final word on the criminal issue. We once initiated the paperwork on a younger sister as an adoptee but the red tape …on both ends …was just too much.
I’m not aware of any way Microsoft could hire foreign workers to work in any of their US locations except through the H1b program and as I stated, it allows only spouse and minor children. My employer was a Fortune 50 and we couldn’t do it.
If you can point me to any such program, I’d like to look at it.
Okay, you and I may not be using the exact same terminology regarding green cards vs H1b Visa cards but please explain to me if you are saying that you think it is okay that your wife is able to bring over family members, as long as they do not have a criminal record, but they are allowed to start receiving taxpayer funded support after five years? When my in-laws came here they had to agree to never receive ANY benefits they had not personally earned. You just confirmed the problem that I maintain needs to be stopped!
Your wife (or anyone else – I am just using her as an example since you mentioned her) brings over parents, or siblings, or in-laws, etc. who are in their 50s or 60s. They do not have to learn English, they do not have to get a job, they do not pay taxes…but if they live in your house for five years, then they become eligible for SSI, Medicare /Medicaid, etc, which were all programs created for people who lived, worked, and paid taxes in THIS country, usually for at least 30-40 years!
I saw this happening, first hand, for years! I cannot say for certain that the people who worked at Microsoft or Boeing were in the country on a H1b as that was not a question I would have been allowed to ask but they were from other countries, they had come here because they had been hired for a specific job, and they brought over family members who did not work, and did not pay taxes but DID receive Federal and State benefits.
Congratulations. You must be brilliant. I truly don’t know how anyone could be up on everything in the public school system. So you taught them, Chemistry and Physics, English lit., Geometry and Trig. Wood/Metal/Auto shop, Honors US and World History and they came away with college degrees from top universities? Astounding job……..
And you also had a banking career for years? Wow, I would love to meet you.
Sorry Todd, I am afraid that I just don’t have the time to get together with you right now. Kinda busy, ya know, staying up on everything from physics to wood shop! 🙄
You clearly know nothing about the homeschool community (and probably very little about the current state of the public school system either).
There are excellent co-ops available with highly qualified teachers for specific subjects. My older son learned physics from a retired Naval submarine commander whose wife had homeschooled their seven children. My younger son, who has a Master’s in English Lit, was determined to get an 800 on the writing portion of the SAT so he worked his tail off prepping for it and succeeded.
My kids are smart but I don’t think they are the exception – I think they were given the opportunity and the freedom to be successful and they took advantage of it.
Hope you have have a nice day, Todd. Maybe you need a cup of coffee – you seem a little testy this morning. ☕😉
H1b is one puzzle piece within the larger framework of the New/ One World Order “reset.” When STEM fields are promoted to US students, the Fed gubmint *incentivizes* DEI students.. ie women and minorities. No white males need apply.
Both H1b and DEI students in STEM fields are financially incentivized by the federal government, which promotes diversity and inclusion ad nauseum.
This point was driven home when my own STEM student was hard pressed to find other English speaking students in the college dorm and lecture halls of one large state university. The course load was extremely difficult. I have no idea how students who can’t even speak the language power through this work.
I also noted a private college in existence for almost two hundred years had in recent years accumulated a large number of foreign students. That college actually closed its doors after President Trump removed the incentives for foreign students.
I have no problem reducing those federal incentives. But this goes to show how dependent these lazy universities have become on federal aid packages. The trustees were not willing to reduce the tuition in order to attract (unfunded) American students. Their thinking is intractable.
We have essentially the same problem with our multinational corporations which, having gone full steam ahead with their “great” One World reset, are impervious to the notion that manufacturing jobs should ever return to the USA.
The multinationals have adamantly refused to amend their business plans even one iota in order to make America great again. Without the political will of President Trump’s America First policies, our *stolen* elections have ensured that their bottom line will always take precedence.
Excellent summation!
<sigh> Every point is correct…
Also, the corps don’t need to pay health insurance for them…quite the savings vs. US hires.
Thank you for this. Trump’s opponents criticized him for saying Mexico “wasn’t sending their best”. Well, that implied he would welcome “the best” and here is where he would.
I detect a strain of thought within MAGA that we need to eliminate legal as well as illegal immigration. I sincerely hope I am imagining that because that opinion won’t play with me.
Some say they will vote left. Well, let’s have some confidence in our philosophy and not accept they are forever hopeless wards of the democrats. If they are achievers and have the integrity to play by the rules and are driven to contribute, they will gravitate to MAGA solutions.
“I detect a strain of thought within MAGA that we need to eliminate legal as well as illegal immigration. I sincerely hope I am imagining that because that opinion won’t play with me.”
Do you look down on the restrictive immigration / naturalization policies of, say, Japan?
Certainly not an expert on Japanese anything …except never fly through Narita if you have any other option. That said, a Ukrainian woman just won the Miss Japan contest ….so how restrictive can their current immigration policy be? They do have a serious demographics problem with an aging population. Maybe they’ve opened it up.
Their demographics problem is that young Japanese men rather watch pornography and participate in virtual reality sex than by procreating in real life. There have been a few stories out stating that some of the mothers of these men are purchasing the services of prostitutes to pull them away from their computers.
Actually we have had so much ILLEGAL immigration that it would be GOOD for our country to step back from ALL immigration until we get this mess sorted out. Frankly, I am tired of seeing foreigners everywhere I go in my own country and having to deal with people who can’t speak English. I want to see some fellow Americans for a change.
We have done it, a nearly 40 – year long moratorium was imposed on legal immigration to the U.S. during the late 1920s to allow the immigrants at the time to be fully assimilated into the population. Once the moratorium was lifted in the mid 1960s, the Hart – Cellar Act kicked in and here we are. This can be done again (just as mass deportations were done under Eisenhower in the 1950s), all it takes is the political will to do so.
Who cares what opinion “plays” with you besides you?
We are all adults entitled to our own opinions that we don’t ask permission to have let alone share.
Carry on.
Which visa holders are the truck drivers from India ? They are everywhere and work for peanuts.
and doctors as well
I don’t think I’ve ever seen an Uber that wasn’t driven by a foreigner. Ditto for Amazon drivers, gas station owners, convenience stores and franchises, Disney and other theme park workers, big ag industry, landscapers, hospitality sector, construction.. the majority are all foreigners.
Typically, a white American male will sell the service and then their foreign speaking hires arrive to actually perform it.
Where, exactly, do all of the English speaking, American-born workers of European descent happen to be thriving these days? I really would like to know.
Hello William – I worked for over 20 years for large corporations in the energy sector, especially in M&A and development in NYC and Houston and your comment about “stealing American jobs are mostly hogwash” is not true. I can tell you those areas were choke full of H1Bs and it was bogus. I graduated from business school and knew legions of US citizens that could have filled those positions. However, many in the C-suite were former H1Bs that attained citizenship (also, don’t forget L-1 visas that can obtain their green card after 5 years) and brought in compatriots from their home countries such as Canada, Australia, France, India, Pakistan, and UK – all very liberal.
I know from personal experience on missing out on these “job openings” that could “not be filled” by Americans. Here is how the HR department would structure the job description – very narrow to require the exact work experience that the H1B applicant (already identified by C-suite executive) had as their work history. I even had one HR manager I was friendly with confirm what I above describe. Several of my friends from my engineering and B-school would apply and all were eminently qualified but the job went to the H1B/L1 visa candidate.
Therefore, your comment that the H1B visa program is a net positive is not true. And, most of the H1B that become citizens are very liberal so in fact it’s double negative – a job not available to a US citizen and an additional liberal – who in my experience were contemptuous of the average American as – “beer drinking rednecks with guns that have no business owning big trucks and snowmobiles” as a direct quote from one of the H1B visa executive.
Well said
this describes San Francisco Bay Area almost completely
in the last 10 years especially it has demographically changed
its almost entirely BRICS countries tech workers now
especially Indian and Chinese
we are in world war 3 with BRICS and we are surprised big tech is the enemy?
Luis. There are currently ~165 MILLION jobs in the US. 65 THOUSAND (TOTAL at any one time, not per year) H1b visas are not “stealing” their jobs. There are abuses as you pointed out. But our H1b visa files were audited regularly by the DoL and obvious abuses found were corrected with measures that made it uncomfortable for any guilty of the abuse. “Structured” job descriptions were common when the program began, but audits weeded them out and the fines put a stop to the most abusive. Does it happen, sure. But does it happen often enough to make the program not worthwhile. I don’t see it.
The L1 visa program is a different story. That’s an elitest’s dream program but it’s limited to only senior executive positions and thus not as common as the H1B. Of the one’s I worked with, the Japanese and Chinese were the most arrogant, not all, but enough to remember.
All govt programs are abused. The H1b, imnsho, is well deserving of expansion as long as its well-regulated and well audited.
Name one GOVERNMENT program that is “well regulated and well audited”
Also, I posted this comment before but apparently it was tossed. You posted in another comment about kids with C averages are not going to cut it for these types of jobs. Implying that American kids are not smart enough or motivated enough to compete for these jobs. Why do you think that is???? The American education system is DESIGNED to dumb kids down, and has been ever since the progressives got ahold of education. The dumbing down was put on steroids with obama’s common core garbage curriculum. The solution to that is to FIX THE EDUCATION SYSTEM, not import foreigners to take those opportunities. If we are truly trying to MAGA then a huge focus should be on our education. Sadly, President Trump’s pick in his first term for Ed secretary was a complete dud. However, I am VERY excited that the homeschooling movement is growing exponentially. The public schools system is designed to indoctrinate not educate.
I was in CA as a child in the 60s and 70s, a few hours away from Silicon Valley and never saw a computer, and probably barely knew what one was. In a functioning society with a legitimate education system, I would have been being prepared for the major shift in our economy near my home.
Instead, I got to leave school early to go work in the fields and packing sheds. I guess those hi-tech jobs had already been filled. No one offered me an F1 student visa for Stanford.
“But our H1b visa files were audited regularly by the DoL”
Are you suggesting the Dept of Labor is enforcing employer sanctions? Does the auditing agency have criminal enforcement authority? Can you show me a case the DoL has prosecuted in federal court?
Employer Sanctions was sabotaged a dozen different ways from inception, there was never any intention of enforcing these laws. The DoL insertion into immigration law enforcement was an element of that sabotage. It took the agencies with actual enforcement responsibility out of the game, by design.
The people auditing H1b must be the same inspector general responsible for the pentagram and covid audits.
I worked as a lead developer at a major healthcare provider. They decided to use an Indian consultancy to staff most of our department. Our US contractors were all terminated and we ended up with five senior US developers and designers and ten on-shore staff here on H1B visas. Some of them were good, most were average and a few were mediocre. None of them had graduated with a Cum Laude degree from MIT or the like and none of them had worked at Microsoft or some such prestige software company, at least in a senior role. Then there were the off-shore staff. During the day, some of the on-shore staff would feed specifications and design documents to the off-shore staff back in India, and there were dozens of them, depending on the workload and testing needs.
Our project was successful and our system was implemented in multiple locations across the US. However, we could have done just as good a job with a third of the staff, had we been allowed to pick and use US staff and contractors. Moreover, our organization has little institutional knowledge of how the system was built, how it works and where to look when something breaks. The Indian contracting firm does not retain that institutional knowledge because their people are off working on other projects or back in India.
Basically, we traded six US jobs for ten Indian on-shore H1B visa holders and twice that number back in India. I don’t see that as a net positive for the US. Perhaps it would be different if we could hire the best Indian contractors after a year or so, but that is not allowed. When the H1-B visa is up, they have to go home, at least for a while.
Can’t speak to the latest H1b visas but a decade ago they could apply for an extension and usually get it. Once the extension was granted, they could then apply for a Green card and if the employer supported it and they had no criminal record, they were usually given one.
As to your particular situation, what happened to the CTO who was behind the program? Did he get fired as a result?
Who are you shilling for? Inquiring minds want to know.
agreed, William you have a very positive attitude about the USA H1B program. Optimism about the state of the USA government is very hard to find.
Bull.
You asked for receipts and you have gotten them from multiple people regarding abuses and costs of the H1B program. I’ve detailed my own experiences in regards to this topic in the past which involves discussions with senior executives admitting what they did, as well as personally observing it in action around me. They are on CTH if you wish to look for them.
What I will do is provide another receipt today of the H1B scam exposing the games companies play. While the video is from 17 years ago now, it is just as valid today as it was then as I personally see the same actions going on.
Maybe the company you work(ed) for was above board – some are – but the vast majority are not and the so called “guard rails” were long ago circumvented.
As far as US companies being unable to compete in STEM fields with an all American citizen staff – double bull. I work at one that not only competes, but our division has consistently been at the top worldwide involving those things which we choose to compete in. Further, your own words expose you – on the one hand you state the inability to compete “with only what US university graduate produce each year” – yet try to denigrate Americans with your haughty straw man ‘C’ comment in comparison to an Indian who was a US university graduate.
BTW, being a Microsloth employee is just as likely to be a negative as it is a positive and their work output would never pass muster in safety critical fields. Nor is a cum laude honors impressive, a level by definition that can be merely top third of a class and at its most stringent, a B+.
ps. As an aside, computer science is far from the only core STEM discipline and India is far from the only country with competitive or top personnel in that field – even in today’s educational systems.
Your mind is made up. Facts won’t change it.
I’ve stated my experience quite clearly and cited the actual laws. No one has posted an actual receipt that proves your case. Certainly not your video. It’s meant to stir hate among people who don’t really understand how HR lawyers work. If there was one department I learned to hate with a passion, it was HR and Legal. Bunch of mooches. That is standard HR hi-jinks in every company worldwide.
You’re not impressed, so be it. Why waste my time? You do you.
What alleged facts? I allowed that the company you worked for may be one of the few that are above board. I, and others, also countered with our personal knowledge and experience involving multiple companies that did not. They are at least as factual as yours and there have been more of them presented. You are the only one here with a closed mind and unable to accept facts – very much leftist like.
As far as the video – it’s shows exactly what often happens, regardless of emotions it may or may not stir. I understand you may hate it due to what it exposes, but it doesn’t change that it’s real.
Since you appear so delusion and unable to accept reality – here is one more opportunity to open your eyes and mind – a long list of proven violations – proven violations of the vaunted laws you try to state nobody would ever violate and the only thing going on is people misunderstanding the poor PR lawyers.
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=h_&q=companies%2Bfined%2Bfor%2BH1B%2Bviolations&ia=web
ps. No worries, I always do me – which includes not pretending.
“Your mind is made up. Facts won’t change it.”
Hmmmm…. are you engaging in projection?
Wow – you are a trusting soul. You think our corporations are going to follow some silly rules about hiring? “Unfortunate exploits” you say? You bet there are – millions of them. And BTW no visa program of any kind is a “net positive” for America.
Just ask good ole republicans/donors like the Koch Bros……
I disagree. In the late early 90’s senior Oracle Database Administrators could contract for $80 – $100/hr. To fix that “problem”, 1,000’s of H1B’s with Oracle exposure were brought in by the boatload. They had to supply their own laptops, rented apartments and slept 6-8 per apartment, and charged $25 – $45/hr. Many didn’t speak enough English to get by so there were generally 1 or 2 per group whose English was passable so they ran interference for them.
Now, 12 years later, their English is better, they’ve brought their extended families over, and they charge as much as anyone else. Good for them, sucked for us.
now they run the tech companies and self select in their own ethnic networks
they are all “leftists” and are happy to deplatform, offhosre, outsource and generally attack the USA foundations
They all bring in their elderly parents who immediately get SSI, Medicaid and local government Welfare benefits!
Would you like to know WHY American children can’t do math, even at basic level??? Our education system is designed to DUMB KIDS DOWN! and rather than fix that we have decided to import “the best and brightest” comments like yours are very disheartening. Common core crap was the final nail in the coffin and nothing has been done about it since obama instituted it.
Homeschool is the ONLY way to go!
laughable comment, sorry……….
What do you find funny?
NO more multiplication tables, no more cursive writing. “lattice work’ for math, to draw 10 diagrams to multiply 5×5….we’ve all seen it, we all know it. We can’t help kids or grandkids any longer (by design???). It’s STUPID math and our kids are STUPID..
Exactly! The progressives destroyed education. It infuriates me!
Yes, they have to prove that they can write a job description that absolutely no one can fill…
Except for that manufactured “resume” belonging to a foreign national.
Ask me how I know.
We ALL know it’s true. ALL major banks have their operations and call systems overseas? IF you are still with them, call. Yrs back Wells call center was in India. I know several former employees displaced once their call center operations moved to India….I was a customer at that time and closed my acct after 2-3 conversations when I couldn’t understand the conversation.
“can only bring in spouse and underage children.”
You post suggests you believe that the immigration laws as enacted by congress are actually followed or enforced? The law does not matter. The invasion has been in progress for 60 years and only accelerates. Every false reform has only made the situation worse. Quibbling over the details of H1b visas at this point is like standing in the living room debating interior decorations while the house is on fire. The nation is unrecognizable, immigration has been a primary tool in our demise. It sounds like you might benefit personally and financially from further demise.
My comments are based on personnel experience in immigration and as a Californian who lived this betrayal out over 40 years ago. I was run out of low wage agriculture and trades jobs before I could even vote.
You are exactly correct…
“ONE person gets a job via an H1B VISA and suddenly 5-10 family members are allowed to come as well and they are immediately signed up for SSI/Medicare/Medicaid etc! It not only costs an American the opportunity to get a job in their chosen field (because the green card holder will work for less) but it costs the taxpayers thousands of dollars every month to support people who NEVER worked a single day in this country!”
Not only that but H1B Visa holders don’t pay Social Security or Medicare taxes!!!
If people will review their dept of social services and health dept budgets; see the spike. It’s NOT from local citizens. It’s out of control. Hospital ERs are the MD offices. Waiting rooms are full. We citizens go to an urgent care or local MD ; but the illegals do not. WE pay either way. Hospital ER visits IF we go are typically $2-$3k bills for us and our insurance.
Many are! Many…Many Mexicans are returning home to Mexico. They see and feel the moral decay in Godless America. I know many.
Viva Mexico and Gracias Dios
We know why. THEY STAY and take jobs here!
Stop the brain drain from these countries. Allow them to pay their own way to study abroad(USA perhaps?). There is a point when citizens need to bring innovation and improvements in cultural, economic and political, health, etc to build up their native citizens level of improvement and the moral and economic health of their countries. Until then we have a spiraling problem of the under-developed global south going deeper into intellectual deficits and the ensuing cause and affect of such.
Most are. The best gets their undergraduate degrees there and then apply for MS/Ph.D. programs here that are among the best in the world.
As I noted elsewhere here, an H1b visa holder is highly vetted and can only bring their spouse and minor children. The program is extremely restrictive compared to Biden’s illegal immigrants.
Trumps program should only apply to STEM gradates with MS or Ph. D degrees. That would be a major boost to US competitiveness worldwide.
The program is so restricted that it allows 85,000 per year into our system, of which 65,000 only require a bachelor’s degree.
And why should Americans subsidize foreigners post graduate studies in part when many of these foreigners are accepted under DEI policies over Americans?
Another deliberate misdirect. You sure you’re not a DNC bot?
The post I replied to addressed foreign students in general, not H1B corporate employees.
Nice try, but again, no coupee doll. So sad.
In reply to your misdirect (which you scold others for repeatedly), 85k total STEM jobs is a pittance in a marketplace of 165 million jobs. One where 3.5 million MORE STEM employees are needed next year according to our beloved govt. I’d call that “restricted”. You do you.
As to your further misdirect, I’ve not mentioned subsidizing anyone anywhere in this thread. As, again, any Treeper can readily see. So “there you go again”.
You enjoy arguing with yourself?
Do better.
William & BK,
Tech is not my field. However, I do know someone personally who was forced to retire early from the tech field. His retirement compensation was reduced.
He said that the entire workforce in the company was being replaced by foreign hires.
Bingo.
As was the IT department of my former company about 2 years ago.
None of the new ones could hardly speak English. Work orders took days instead of hours.
Company intranet constantly had problems.
Senior manager told me that the company saved several hundred thousands of dollars by replacing our highly competent staff with foreigners for lower pay.
Sigh. It’s not difficult for a fast talking CTO to sell the BoD on farming out IT support to an Indian company in say Mumbai, and reap the rewards for such.
Once.
Then the CEO learns the actual costs of such, and the new CTO rebuilds local IT support.
The old CTO fills out his resume citing how he saved XYZ a million and moves on to his next victim.
Ask Dell or Microsoft or hundreds of companies who did the same thing.
If I call customer support, any company, and an Indian answers, I find a new company.
America first, last, always.
Everybody knows that is true and has been for years.
Sigh. I know someone who…? Not suggesting you were not told this by someone you know. Just citing the US labor laws as I understand and experienced them.
I worked in the tech field for 30+ years. Not aware of a single instance where this would be true. Most “early retirements” occur when a long-term employee is let go for very sound reasons, not necessarily the employee’s or the company’s fault, but the firing is handled as an “early retirement” by HR to reduce complications. He got what retirement benefits he had earned to that point, not what he would have gotten if he had remained to full retirement age. The ERISA act is highly protective of employee retirement plans. They don’t always get it right, but if he had vested rights, any lawyer could have gotten them for him.
There were certainly instances of this in the robber-baron days and during the Great Depression, but the laws have come a long way since then.
I can’t think of a way since the early 80’s where an American employer in the US could replace their entire workforce by hiring foreign workers. If anyone can point me to a case cite where such happened, I’d like to look at it. The lawyers would swarm looking to own the entire company themselves, and certainly could.
Are you defending a system failing by design because of the money or your foreign wife?
Or is it both,
More money when the come from “ prestigious “ institutions.
Got it. Free pass with a community college diploma. Stellar bar to clear.
Why not after having completed a trade apprenticeship? How about obtaining an HVAC cert?
Oh… You have a pulse? You get to stay!!
Starting to sound a lot like Oprah around here. The Dr Phil interview must’ve really left a mark.
The jockriding is stunning.
People don’t get student visas for 2 year community college degrees. A lot of people in the engineering space come to the US study and then leave.
That was Trump’s proposal. Listen again.
AND, no one is bothering with “visas” anyway. Or, had you not noticed?
The H1b Visa program is one of the most highly sought after lotteries in the world. Every allotted space for 2025 is already filled.
AGREE
Always in pairs. Always.
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3 this time.
Junior College, I don’t think so! It is used by many to scam student loans and grants from an institution that does not require any qualifications or rigor to attend.
https://www.uscis.gov/green-card/green-card-eligibility-categories
There are so many categories it appears that if you have a pulse you can apply. Tighten it up with a well defined mission for green card holders. Are there really any Iraqi’s left that meet that criteria? Why is it still on the books? Applications should be based on current data, trends, and humanitarian issues of the day, and should always be changing.
Not that I favor Iraqi immigrants, but don’t forget that we still have major bases there (god only knows why), and its certain we have 3 letter assets. The criteria could certainly be rewritten to cut down the eligibility categories, say to one worldwide that if the applicant was exceptionally helpful, etc. But the deep state loves its paperwork, everywhere except the voting booth.
Exfiltrating the best of the best from nations around the world prevents those nations from ever being great.
And it turns the US into a home for indentured servants to the oligarch class.
I’d rather they take their knowledge and genius back to their own country to create jobs and opportunities for the people there. More opportunities in thier own countries mean less people wanting to come here , seems like common sense to me
“deport them all”.. Trump is talking about people here illegally. He welcomes those who come into the country legally.
Yes his mother and wife were/are immigrants.
As well as his late [first] ex-wife.
There is a huge difference between deporting people here illegally and giving an opportunity to innovative, creative individuals who came here to study and learn and take their innovative ideas and create jobs here in the United States, or send them back where they came from and let those other nations take advantage of their innovation.
This is a huge topic and we do need to remember that our nation was created by immigrants. Legal immigrants who wanted to create a new life, a new world. Those are the people America needs.
“…or send them back where they came from and let those other nations take advantage of their innovation.”
As posted elsewhere, why aren’t they studying in their own countries and getting degrees there?
And are the American taxpayers picking up any or all of the tabs?
These are the points that I look forward to being fleshed out as the campaign trail heads toward November.
Fleshed out time is nigh.
That illegal immigration is an invasion is not debatable nor should it be parseltounged into “study and improve, then you are a citizen!”. Very worrisome trend.
Yes, the illegal immigration is not debatable.
It is the legal immigration, whether as students or otherwise that needs to be fleshed out. Especially the biased belief by the big venture capitalists that US citizens somehow aren’t competitive with HB1 visa grantees.
Maybe that’s simply a fine point that will be hashed out after all the illegals, and their anchor-baby children are all removed.
But we cannot dismiss the underlying foundation that our nation is founded upon immigrants who came here to create – whether a new life or simply a new name, they came here with a purpose of adding to the benefit of their new land vs those who simply come to leech with no concept of adding to the plus side of a nation.
Invasion
Eligibility for Non-U.S. Citizens | Federal Student Aid
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I would like a confirmation from others,
but most of the Foreign College Students
I have interacted with were from
upper class, diplomatically connected families.
Their families paid their tuition and costs.
US Colleges were once upon a time considered
Prestigious.
Same as US students studying….abroad.
I know one family from work that their
daughter studied in Ireland for a couple
of years, then came back to US and continued
her studies at U of A. to become a MD.
She is pretty smart👏👏, and even worked
during High School so I am confident that
she also helped in paying for her education/expenses.
She probably got scholarships here in US.
But parents paid for most.
Absolutely.
Yes colleges like the foreign students because they often pay full tuition. That allows them to fund reduced tuition for others. My kids went to a land grant state school as out of staters, so we paid full tuition. They liked having us there.
I get the picture that these students parents have $ and pay the full tab. That’s why these universities let them in in the first place.
The parents pay or the home government pays? In the case of Chinese students is there a difference if the parent is a ranking party member or state connected enterprise? The Chinese selection process is driving results of US schools’ registration. Same question for other F1 students from many other nations.
Should a US working family not eligible for tuition assistance be competing with foreign governments or our own? What is the impact of foreign and US government money on the cost of higher education? Helicopter money distorts a price discovery and cost.
Add Gov money stand by for inflation.
We are overrun with legal immigrants taking jobs and changing our demographics. They have and will vote for gun control and socialism.
68% of farm workers are Mexican. This is just one of the reasons Rome fell. They considered the work beneath them. Imagine considering the second most important thing for survival to be beneath you! It doesn’t impact me, I grow all my own food, but right there just on that important matter, US citizens are too damn lazy to do the work of feeding themselves!
I’m in the midst of getting our first crop out since moving here. I haven’t grown all my own food yet since my better half won’t tolerate raising livestock. But the crops will hopefully pay for the meat she eats.
That said, trying to find good help on the farm that speaks decent English and has an IQ above 80 has been a trial, even paying better than prevailing wages and benefits. Don’t even start me on recent HS grads. Some literally don’t have the common sense to flush a toilet, much less wipe their rectal orifices. It’s a trial. Maybe I’ll look into an H1b. 🙂
Its quite frightening that people want to do away with the very thing that feeds them. Folk complain that the wage is too low, but an increased wage equals more expensive food. I love Trump, he’s a realist, but sadly, too many of his supporters are idealists who don’t even know how the milk got in the jug, and nor do they care!
The first line has been true since the founding of Jamestown.
Now if you meant “illegal immigrants”, I concur.
No, the nation was created by settlers, not immigrants. Totally different thing.
How do you think those settlers got here?
The fact is that almost 2/3 of the white colonists south of the early religious settlements in New England, first came here as indentured servants, not “settlers, nor “immigrants” as those words are understood today. No one was paying for a free, months-long transit across a vast ocean with exceedingly high losses. Unless you were military, landed gentry, or rich in your own right, the cost was well beyond the income of 95% of Europeans.
The Kings of old Europe granted vast swaths of territory to fellow aristocrats, who then provided the ships, supplies, and in some cases, protection for those who were willing to pay, usually through indenture contracts, to move to the New World.
They arrived legally obligated, to whomever had paid for the trip, to work off the debt by any means their contract owner required within English law. Once the debt was worked off, they then became free to settle on vast tracts of land available to any who could take and hold it.
This held well into the late 1600s when the organized colonies were willing to recruit and pay for new settlers/immigrants. The slave trade didn’t even begin until long after.
That’s the unvarnished truth about how most of the English, French, and Dutch colonies were first settled.
“In the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, more than 300,000 white people were shipped to America as slaves. Urchins were swept up from London’s streets to labor in the tobacco fields, where life expectancy was no more than two years. Brothels were raided to provide “breeders” for Virginia.”
White Cargo
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Britains White Slaves in America.
By Don Jordan and Michael Walsh.
One of the books I always recommend
that people read .
I would suggest you read the
book White Cargo: The Forgotten
History of Britains White Slaves
in America.
by Don Jordan and Michael Walsh.
Well researched.
The kindle version is on Amazon
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Unfortunately, the “unvarnished truth about how
most of the English French and Dutch colonies
were first settled” …….you thought you knew…
and we in the US were taught…
was a very varnished version.
Nice term for….a lie.
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That comment is quite frightening! I’m guessing Ellis Island doesn’t exist?
Ellis Island didn’t come into play until the mid to late 1800s when immigration became more structured.
Sweet!
Our nation was formed by pilgrims and tough settlers that suffered hardships and built all the basic infrastructure so that immigrants could waltz into an existing town or city – our nation was not built by immigrants!
And several times in our history we have halted legal immigration for long periods in order for the last wave to be assumed into American society. In other words, to become more American. That would even apply to some of our congress critters.
Further… For everyone not utterly blinded by their open invitation to jump on the cognative dissonance bandwagon…
The Trump Campaign is already (hamfistedly) attempting to reshape Donnie’s overstep and swerve away from ‘Merica Furst.
https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2024/06/21/trump-campaign-backtracks-on-trump-promise-of-more-migrants/
“Donnie“??
Clearly MAGA. Just making observations quietly sans agenda.
anything BUT America 1st in my book.
It’s alarming and we can’t blame Ivanka/Jared, who are no where to be found. They instilled their lib ways/agenda the 1st go-round
You are a liar.
President Trump said and says,
deport them – Illegal Aliens – all.
In this interview, President Trump referred to legal immigrant college students who graduate college, and wish to stay and work or start a business, should get a green card.
Liar, huh. Tough talk sitting behind that keyboard.
But she spoke the truth.
And the Truth has NO AGENDA.
Despite the parroted line, everyone and everything has an agenda. Typically it’s tied to perceived self-interest. In rare cases, it’s based in adherence to principle. However, ’round these parts, the only evident principle is “Trump at all cost. Reason and principle be damned.”
Sorry you read so poorly. Maybe a class taught by a gringo would help.
If you’re not for Trump, then why are you on a pro Trump MAGA blog? 🤔
Because liars with no discernible job skills like to stir up trouble and or controversy.
Or they go join cia/fbi.
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My only quibble is, AND they go join the cia/fbi. 😉
Truth is objective. It has no agenda. It just sits there being objective facts.
I spoke the truth about what President Trump said.
You, lied.
Adios Gringo! We’ve assessed YOUR agenda, and you have been found wanting.
Me to the Ow Puddy!
Love our Ad rem!
What a pathetic joke.
Were you to lie standing in front of me, I would call you out for being a lying liar.
It remains true.
You are a liar.
“Why don’t we steal all the best and brightest from around the world? that will be great!!”
Except 25% of them will be Vivek and the other 75% Jayapal. We are setting ourselves up for a future of an Indian/Asian STEM overclass ruling over a shrinking white middle class and a Hispanic underclass. A consequence of looking at everything through a strict, utilitarian, free market lens.
The US did not rise to the heights it did on the back of H-1B visas.
No, it used the genius and ingenuity of the Nazis for that.
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That’s been Trump’s position for years.
And, he’s been wrong for years. As wrong about this as he was about COVIDWarming.
So you’re the guy with the answers?
My answers are simple:
The Truth. No matter where it leads.
If that means that I’m the lone voice pointing to the emperor having no clothes, so be it.
My answers work fine for me. Your mileage may vary.
What truth?
You have yet to specify a single thing except for the demonstrable lie you told about what President Trump said in the podcast.
So, again, what truth?
That was my one, hmmmm.
I’ve no idea what that statement means.
If they are graduating from college they are most likely here legally.
Overlay green cards for diplomas with a world war with BRICS and prosecutions around IP theft and industrial espionage
I tried to watch a podcast by the tech guy wearing the pink tie, a pinko, and he was talking to the creator of a famous tech platform and a huge leader in the startup space. He started by saying “startups now use Upwork and Fivr and don’t need startup teams so much”, the software innovator and thought leader nodded.
The tech sector is rotten to the core. They are the arch globalists. Worse than finance. All of them.
There are more engineers in India and China than the entire USA tech sector.
Do we REALLY think the USA can simply replace all USA tech workers with cheaper BRICS tech workers and still have a country?
Does 4 years of cheating in math or STEM in a USA university where you stay in a BRICS bubble where you learn to hate the host country and justify your theft and treason and call in international business turn you into a good American?
Go to San Franciso and see the results of tech sector? Its worse than 3rd world. Tech is 90% Brics, and woman project managers and Ivy League. Thats it.
Even the Patriot Economy is extremely thin. But that’s another story
I’ve seen this bias in myself. I interned with several guys from India during college. I was an undergrad, they were grad students, having gotten their undergrad in India. We all went to the same university in the US. They weren’t “crappy” engineers, per se, they just seemed to not actually have an undergrad degree in CS. Obviously I never saw their transcripts, but we seemed to be working from very different knowledge bases. I’ve since worked, as many of us have, with brilliant people from all over the world. It just gave me a weird impression of CS education in India. But, I’m sure others have similar experiences of graduates from [random school in the US or elsewhere].
I have a similar story. I used to work with a guy from India, and he told me “If you ever meet an Indian in a position of power, they got there through nepotism and not by their own merit.”
Hearing that was pretty shocking, not so much because it’s clearly untrue, but because he held that opinion of other Indian people. He did fall under the description you gave, though. He seemed to struggle with basic Arduino and Raspberry Pi programming even though he had a degree in computer science from an Indian university.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23155890
>Unless you’re Indian, don’t even think about applying to Microsoft, Hewlett Packard, Adobe, many federal and state gov’ts, Google, Apple, T-Mobile, Dell, etc.
That’s it guys. Pack it up, this Quora commenter is omniscient. To solve this problem at Microsoft, fire Satya Nadella because he’s from Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh. After all, he’s a no-talent and was only hired by a board of Telugu speaking Brahmins because he belonged to their caste, right?
Wonder what other narratives can be built from cherry picked frog-in-the-well anecdotes on Quora? Pretty much anything you want to.
Here’s the truth: A high percentage of resumes you normally get are Indian. Plus, the green card situation has made it hard for such folks to switch jobs, so they are almost guaranteed to work for several years reducing training costs. Some anecdotes in the article may be true but apply to only very specific cases. Trying to apply this to a broad set of people from one region in India is a conspiracy theory with no footing.
Infosys, Tata, HCL etc. will recruit anyone as long as they can pay them less, and make more money from them. Also, the courts have ruled that workplace discrimination based on immigration status is legal. i.e You can legally dump more work on someone that’s not a citizen, because they’re not a citizen.
As an aside, all the grammatical mistakes in the article don’t inspire confidence in the author.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20354501
its just below the surface
the USA is in WW3 with BRICS
BRICS workers make up 70%+ of USA Tech
pretty simple
<who are you to answer this>I am a native to Silicon Valley and work in technology, and have for more than a couple decades (I started working with client server system and now work on distributed/cloud systems).
<are Indians dominating>Anyone that can come into your country, your state, your neighborhood, and replace you while doing a poorer quality job (still know people at companies where replaced), lie to your face, and talk a lot of trash about you in front of your face IS dominating. I’ve seen each of these, repeatedly. So, the answer is YES, clearly Indians are dominating Silicon Valley.
<only hire other Indians>What I’ve seen is that Indians *strongly* prefer working with Indians, and are often unwilling to help caucasians (feigning ignorance about things that are critical to their job).
<Trash Talking in Hindi>I know a couple Anglo-Indian guys (guys from India that look and act white, but speak fluent Hindi) that have translated Hindi for me that I recorded with my phone. And (at least according to them…and they’ve been honest in all other dealings with me) Indians in Indian-dominant departments/companies talk an amazing amount of very rude trash about Americans, especially American women, how gullible/stupid we all are, and they do so directly in front of us. Based on what the translators said, they would basically be prompting a fist fight if they said the same things in English.
<writing crap code>My experience is that more often than not US based Indians (and all Indian outsourced work) basically writing unmaintainable code (and this is by far my biggest gripe, because I get blamed for their bad code). In fairness I would also say the best code I’ve seen is from Indians, but after Indians have graduated from a US school (with a masters degree… I’ve seen only marginal difference in European/Chinese/US coders between a BS and an MS). After school in the US, their code is excellent. I usually see US 2-year Jr-college students write the same quality of code as non-US-School Indian graduates, only they seem to learn how to code better faster after starting (something is very wrong in India’s school system). Usually if you’re in a euro-centric company and there are a few Indians in the mix they’re damn good coders, so good that I think we could bring them on with O-1 Visas.
<what should we do>Based on my experiences I believe we should end the H1B program for, and start DOJ proceedings on: Infosys, Tata consulting, Wipro, and IBM. Google/Microsoft/Apple seem to be hiring based on qualifications rather than “body shopping”.
<am I just a bigot>I’ve worked with coders from Mexico, Costa Rica, Thailand and Argentina <so…this doesn’t appear to be about India being a poor country> and other outsourcers from Czechoslovakia and Russia and would not hesitate for moment to hire them again, all of them did *at least* good quality work within reasonable time and budget constraints, sometimes they needed clarification, but they were always forthright. This leads me to believe that the issue is not one of individual Indians (and I think there are a LOT of “good apples” there) but a systemic one that involves Indian social norms (a serious lack of forthright behavior, lying by omission is lying), US/Indian corporate greed, the legacy of the caste system, insane-by-US-standards gender roles (imported to the US) and IT-money-crazed family pressure.
another comment
Many good answers to this question.
The H1B Visa program is definitely a big issues for most of us software developers born and raised in the US. Over 65% of us have been replaced with H1B Visa workers, only because companies are getting away with it and the laws are not being enforced enough.
But, before the H1B Visa program grew to what it is today, I recall travelling to Silicon Valley 20 years ago and there were numerous Indian and Chinese software engineers in Silicon Valley. They were smart, hard workers, and always got the job done. Now, that the H1B Visa program has grown too big, we have issues with the large Indian firms dumping H1B Visa workers in almost all large corporations in America; many times replacing older American workers. The American worker, me included, was forced to train these H1B workers, who were our replacements. Do you think we could train them to do everything we learned over many years? Absolutely not. The end result is sub-standard work, incompetence (not due to lack of effort), and lack of direction from management, who fear for their own job. Most H1B workers do work hard, but after a while, when they see the attitude of management in corporate America, they start caring less about the job. Who wouldn’t, given the conditions they are forced to work under. The Indian recruiting firms exploit them, making things even worse. It is not their fault. It is the fault of corporate CEOs, who care about making their big bonus, by cutting expenses and propping up stocks for their investors. They don’t care about the American worker, who lost their job, anymore than they care about the H1B Visa workers being exploited.
This is what I call, American Greed; just like the TV show. Many of these CEOs should be put in jail for breaking our laws, regarding H1B Visas. The law should be enforced and further modified to force companies to pay H1B visa workers directly, over $200 per hour, if they really need H1B workers. I guarantee you there would be no worker shortage and H1B Visa worker requests would be close to zero. The H1B Visa program, only enriched large corporations and decimated the US economy. Most of us American software developers in their 60s are out of work, at a time when we should be making the most and spending the most, helping our economy. Instead, we are not eating out anymore, not buying anything, losing our homes or not remodeling them, and not spending money on imports from China. We are keeping our Hondas and Toyotas for 12 years, instead of 4. Our kids are living with us, or us with them, so fewer people are buying bigger homes. Our economy is decimated by over 40%; yet the experts flapping their jaws on CNN, tell us we have low unemployment and we are booming. Yet, almost 50% of Americans cannot afford basic living expenses like housing and food. Most Americans over 60 have little or no savings.
Our nation’s debt is out of control, but we have little means to pay for it. We may end up in total collapse, except if we have super inflation in everything to make the debt seem like less, which I expect will happen.
In summary, Indians may be dominating now, due to H1B, but I think many Indians were working in Silicon Valley before the glut of H1B Visa workers began 5-7 years ago.
https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-more-than-30-in-silicon-valley-are-Indians
“I’d say it’s insufficient,” opined Robert Law, director of the Center For Homeland Security And Immigration at the America First Policy Institute, who served as a senior policy advisor and chief of policy at USCIS during the Trump administration.
Law, in an interview with The Register, suggested policies adopted by the Trump administration that prioritized people by skill might have helped, but were abandoned by the Biden administration. “And really, I don’t think the Biden administration has done anything in the H-1B space that puts integrity into the system and accountability.”
“The new rules are only intended to address one aspect of fraud, which is multiple submissions by the same person,” noted John Miano, a fellow with the conservative Center for Immigration Studies, who has testified before Congress about foreign labor. “But that isn’t going to do very much at all. There’s no tracking of people through the process. The reality is too many people benefit from the fraud so it goes on.”
Across the political aisle, the progressive Economic Policy Institute (EPI) expressed similar skepticism about the USCIS proposals.
https://www.theregister.com/2024/04/09/h1b_visa_fraud/
Saw this a few days ago. It’s impressive and amazing to see the broad knowledge of Donald J. Trump.
I know, we’re just too used to well coiffed morons babbling their public relations tested fingers crossed behind back promises.
The greatest achievement by the democrat party since JFK is the cultivation of a dumbed down voter base who will actually vote for a candidate who promises to raise their taxes.
Of course they (0bama / Soros & Co.) did this using textbook Marxist class envy rhetoric. The Occupy Wall St. mob of violent useful idiots was astroturfed this way and the likes of Bernie Sanders – who had previously been a congressional laughingstock for DECADES – is now formulating democrat economic policy.
The fact that a tax hike on one part of the private sector raises costs all across the private sector is completely lost on these Lefties and unfortunately many Republicans as well.
Trump’s tax cuts (and deregulation) created an economic boom which flew in the face of the Left’s insipid mantra of “Tax cuts for the rich” which they have been using to hoodwink their constituents for years. The Democrat Left needed to end the boom and attendant prosperity Trump & Co. were creating for middle class, working Americans which was the primary goal of the overblown panic & lockdowns they ginned up with the Covid charade.
Trump’s recent pledge to end the federal tax on tips for ALL WORKERS employed in such jobs is a brilliant move and completely undercuts and obliterates the central lie the Left has been using to sell their destructive economic policies on less sophisticated voters for well over a decade now.
Brilliant❗️
I’m violating a few commenting rules here, but cut me some slack. Team Trump needs to have off-site debate watchers in stadiums across America, just like they do for sporting events. That way we get the simultaneous crowd reaction videos.
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This is a great idea.
Does anyone know if the debate will be broadcast in actual real time, or subject to a “small” delay that can allow for shenanigans?
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I like that idea!
This was truly an outstanding interview. I listen to the All In Podcast on the regular, as I find their business and economic discussions vastly superior than most.
Interestingly, David Friedman, who is brilliant, showed his inexperience with certain issues in the post-interview discussion. The other David, Sacks, is probably the most well-rounded, impressive intellect. Chamath is also brilliant, and offers deep insights into human nature and business trends.
Great comment. Not sure it was inexperience as much as he not being comfortable outside his silo.
Really am liking David Sacks and Chamath more and more. All In is and interesting show and this was a fair interview all around.
PDJT’s demeanor was perfect, mature and his sense of humor helps. I’m always amazed that he has such a breadth of knowledge on many topics. You could see these guys saw that too. I really like him in this format. David Sacks and Chamath are both very bright and dignified so they bring any discussion to a higher level than some interviewers.
I actually watched this interview a second time last night. Thanks for posting here, SD. You are the best!
Link to Key Takeaways
Top 3 things Trump would do to get things moving again in terms of business if reelected: Regulation, regulation and taxes.
He is a big believer in tariffs because tariffs give you two things: Economic gain and political gain
“I think we should have a reciprocal trade act- they tax us, we tax them.” – Donald Trump
Trump’s plan to control spending: “The biggest thing is growth because we can grow our way out.” The US has more oil, more wells, more everything than anybody else
The US spends more on education per pupil than any other country: “We’re going to send education back to the states.” – Donald Trump
3 big things that wouldn’t have happened if Trump was president: Ukraine, the Israeli attacks and inflation
No matter what, Trump is not going to put American boots on the ground in Ukraine
Israel/Palestine: Iran was broke. They had no money and Trump sanctioned countries that wanted to buy oil from Iran and he would have made a fair deal with Iran
Will Trump support a national abortion ban? No, he will not. It’s up to the states right now
War with China is unlikely. “I know President Xi Jinping very well and we got along great until Covid… then I wasn’t so happy with him because they gave it to us.” – Donald Trump
Did Fauci lie to Trump? Fauci was a much bigger factor in the Biden administration than he was in the Trump administration. Trump didn’t rely on him that much because he didn’t trust him
“We had the safest border in the history of our country, and now we have the worst border in the history of the world.” – Donald Trump
What was so controversial about the wall? Every country needs to have a border, and a wall is a really good way to enforce a border
“What I want to do and what I will do is you graduate from a college, I think you should get automatically, as part of your diploma, a green card to be able to stay in this country.” – Donald Trump
Is Biden in cognitive decline? “I shouldn’t be the one to say that, but I don’t think he’s doing particularly well. But I didn’t think he was 25 years ago either.” – Donald Trump
https://podcastnotes.org/all-in-podcast/in-conversation-with-president-trump-all-in-podcast-with-chamath-jason-sacks-friedberg/
Ukraine was literally happening while Trump was in office
Russia did not invade Ukraine under Trump.
Correct: the CIA invaded Ukraine and Russia defended herself.
👍 👏 👏 🎯 🎯
Exactly the cia was funding nazi militias in
the Ukraine while Trump was in office.
The conflict has been going
on since 2014.
BTW, this was not because Pres. Putin fears PDT. It’s because Putin respects the President. And that’s because Pres. Trump treats others with respect.
Nor was he part of the Mad Kagan Cult of War Pigs, bent on conquering Eurasia for the New Evil Empire. They’re bloodthirsty monsters–as long as it’s somebody else’s blood.
Wrong.
Trump was impeached for asking about the Biden business in Ukraine.
Not true. The Crimea invasion happened under Obamassiah in 14.
The current conflict started in 17 after Biden publicly said our response would depend on how much Ukrainian territory Putin took. Open invitation and Putin took it. None of it happened under Trump.
No, it started during WWII when the Nazi’s used Ukraine as a conduit to invade Russia and the Russians haven’t forgotten that.
The Nazis never left Ukraine
Current conflict under Biden started in 22, not 17 while Trump was in office.
Tired here but it’s got to be said again. Trump needs to knock out the key “evil bastardos” soon after taking office again. ABC agencies the Big 3…. Cut heads off, arrest and clean out SES tools. If not it’s only a 3-4 year band aid fix. Not pessimistic and not pretending anymore. ❤️🤷🏼♂️🙏🏽
the one thing I vehemently disagree with Trump is giving police immunity. until civil asset forfeiture is STOPPED they should not be given blanket immunity. even honest cops think it is awful, because it is highway robbery.
This was a great interview by Trump. I’m glad Sundance posted it! Make America Great Again!
President Trump is taking questions and answering to four separate individuals on a wide spectrum of issues. He has genuine concern for our nation, and it shows. This is an interview that everyone should see.
FJB can’t put two sentences together, constantly lies, and could care less about our nation.
Great Post!
Why are high taxes unimportant to so many citizens? The answer is simple. More than 50% of the taxpayers don’t pay any federal taxes. Why should the care?
Wish someone had raised the issue of WATER USAGE in regards to AI with him, which is even higher in terms of relative availability. Then there is the issue of “what is the AI going to be used for?”
Massive centers used to spy on and control the people shouldn’t be built regardless of how much power or water might be available. Just because one CAN do something, doesn’t mean they SHOULD do something…
Isn’t that what the Pope said to Galileo?
Was cheap fake.
Don’t know about that, but it was what God said to Adam and Eve…but we all know whose advice they ultimately took.
After listening to the All-In podcast, come back and listen to these. These are some of Steve’s comments on the discussion.
Steve Bannon: It’s Time To Put “American Citizens First,” Not Just America First
By Bannons War Room
21 Jun 2024
https://rumble.com/v52wwa3-steve-bannon-its-time-to-put-american-citizens-first-not-just-america-first.html
Bannon On Prioritizing American Citizens Over Foreign-Born University Students
By Bannons War Room
21 Jun 2024
https://rumble.com/v52wxft-bannon-on-prioritizing-american-citizens-over-foreign-born-university-stude.html
WE need to stand firm on WHAT WE THE PEOPLE WANT.
I watched this yesterday on Zero Hedge. It’s Trump at his best. If this is the Trump we see in the debate, the race will be over.
The only line I had a problem with was the Green Card to junior college graduates. High performing 4-year grads in STEM programs, hell yes. MAGA all the way.
But junior college programs that do little more than teach what they should have learned in HS, no. But this has always been an issue with Trump picking up ideas from advisors without fully understanding the depths behind them.
But he’s still better than that loser, Meatball.
Great interview by the All In crew. It was a delight to here Trump speak his views and policy. Much more than sound bites!
Great interview!
I love watching podcasts
with this type of format.👏👏
A lot more interesting and
informative than mainstream
media and shows like
Disgrace the Nation.
My impression of the interview / discussion is that Pres Trump is pandering to monied, elitists, who are seeing a likely better and higher return on their campaign contributions than they received from woke, progressive demonrats.
Other than wealth what do these four individuals have that the majority of hard-working, tax paying Americans do not have. These four are not typical Americans (don’t all of them have loyalties to two or more countries(?)) ; they are citizens of the world, … billionaires who want more money.
I heard a great deal about “special interests” and picking (government support for) select business interests.
[“Nuclear power” is not viable due to the fact that there is no technology available to address decommissioning and disposal / recycling of spent fuel rods and other waste generated. … Separately, digital currency mining produces nothing of lasting value – why should the People fund the power generation for (or compete for cheap energy with) the disillusioned who are selling (buying) bytes as if those strings of data have any intrinsic value ? … The whole digital currency and tech energy needs discussion smacks of “deep state” and the future absolute loss of individual liberties. …
The private sector (small and mid-sized businesses) can rebuild the American economy without government; an economy not of transactions, consumables and “digital” whatever, but of products / assets that have value because those assets produce other tangible products which improve lives, support individual liberty and spur a virtuous cycle of entrepreneurship.]
Trump failed in this discussion, insofar as he again he says just about anything to garner favor from his current audience.
What Pres Trump should be speaking to is how he will rein in / downsize the ever expanding, over reaching feral government, and restore the Constitution as the supreme law of the land; close the border, deport illegal invaders and those who would destroy the United States of America. … As to the “petro dollar” it has been the enabler of political corruption and never ending wars; the US economy has benefited greatly from the “petro dollar” but our politicians and business elites have prove yet again: “Absolute power corrupts absolutely.” … Integral to restoring America’s Greatness should be restoring America’s sense of “fairplay” and righteousness, and Christian meekness … The “petro dollar” has become a manifestation of America as land of the “Iron Rule” … America’s ideal from founding was to aspire to the “Golden Rule”. …
The People do not need nor should they want centralized control of the US economy. …
Centralized control of the economy, playing to special interests, picking what the future US economy will look like, … that’s what the NWO / OWG / communists are offering. … Pres Trump is supposed to be committed to the People: life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness … After this interview MAGA seems awfully vague is who benefits; maybe Tucker was right: “All Trump wants is to return to the early ’80s and Studio 54.”
I watched a different interview?
I watched with my eyes and ears open. …
Do you consider DJT your savior ? …
Regardless of how “true” DJT is to the Constitution (for current purposes disregard his prior decades of support of demonrats including the clintons, … and during his first term – bump stocks, ERPOs, covid mandates, … his ongoing attempt to build a family dynasty, etc.), … Do you believe 64, 95, 112, 164, … years of corrupt and ever expanding feral government (remember Lincoln (barry’s favorite president) suspended the Constitution and oversaw the death of 800, 000 + Americans in order to build a strong central government and undermine “States’ Rights”, as did most of the Amendments after the Twelfth) can be undone in four years by simply redirecting the current entrenched, overreaching government ?
Think before you respond … With your rhetorical question you have suggested a strong propensity for “voluntary servitude” (which DJT pandered to also when he pledged to “unions”; if only trumka was still alive perhaps he could negotiate peace among barry and donald). … Which if my read is accurate would make you common, and objectionable to myself and I sense an increasing number of true Americans.
Bingo.
The deeps state continues and will until SMOD.
One more hagiography of Lincoln will not stop the trend.
What interview did you watch?
Ditto … my answer above to William Hindman.
Energy is a critical component of the comforts and convenience of daily life….and because of that importance, the global economy. Lagman, I dislike nuclear as well and because of the waste, but at the moment…I believe it to be a large component of our domestic energy (~18%). Oil and gas have their shortcomings as well. Fracking does cause damage to the environment. Now that lithium and other rare earth minerals have been found in the fracking waste, at least drillers might have more of an incentive to be more careful with it. But what are we doing with most of our current batteries, catalysts, magnets, phosphors, glass, lasers, and electronic components. when they are spent? Nothing good…..
In my opinion, Trump could help build a bridge to the moderate left by taking a more responsible policy to the issue of energy. I would like to hear him say that we can take care of the earth while harvesting the energy that we need. Drill baby Drill makes me cringe but I know that we are far from leaving this vital resource behind, if ever. Biden and the globalists are trying to make us take a hard 180 when we have no infrastructure to support their oppression.
We need a kinder, gentler way forward in energy use and harvesting. We need to have all countries participate. Reducing cow methane would not even register on the scale compared to Chinese emissions from other sources.
Kayaker,
Thank you; I agree. But, perhaps for different reasons. “Drill baby Drill” is stupidity, given the 10s of thousands of capped wells in the lower 48.
But, the larger issue is: “A Strong Economy, is Necessary for a Strong Defense.” …
When first uttered it was directed at a nation (this nation) which was a “manufacturing powerhouse”. … As I stated in a previous comment of this chain, our “tyrants” over the last 55 + years have continuously shifted “economic definitions”.
In this current context I will suggest that the 70s (I don’t recall the theme but the legal and accounting professions were changed from “professions utilizing ‘judgement'” to proscriptive / prescriptive environments wherein most “qualified professionals” became “task oriented” (private sector bureaucrats)); in the 80s we were told the future was a “service economy”, late 80s /early 90s – the “information economy”, 90s consolidation of banking (elimination of “Glass-Stegall”; we had to be able to compete with Dulles’ “unified Europe”; eliminate the “small tick”rule and specialists who understood whether a specific public company was actually creating “value”), ’00s (naughts) – sacrifice freedoms (Patriot Act, WMDs, eliminate “moral hazard) to preserve “Freedom”, … and since 70s Brenton Woods and free-floating “everything” … Forget “manufacturing”, We Are a “Transaction Society” (when was the last time you heard any economist or politician speak of the “velocity of money” or the dozen or two definitions of the “money supply”. … Look up the changing definition of GNP and GDP; start in 1950 …
We are way beyond “consumerism”, “disposable economy”, … DEAR READER: How many individuals do you know that can build something from scratch or improvise a repair on a mechanical or electronic necessity of life ? … We are so far beyond “creature comforts” that we are all slaves. … And, this “All In Podcast” bluntly tells you – You Will All Be More Dependent If These Four Get Their Way.
If I am off topic, please accept my apology.
“Energy” … Technology enterprises -actual and speculative – are not fully costed into consumables and other products. … Consider that a computer processing code or searching/”mining” for the next “coin” produces nothing – those processes consume enormous kilowatts of energy, utilize that energy with little loss and thus all that energy must be dissipated somewhere (Einstein’s Law – the conservation of energy), yet when energy is used to “make” something tangible – therein is a store of energy and economic value.
Bro I have to believe this is concern trolling. He was on point talked deregulation, understood at least surface level what caused the UKR war, talked how to stimulate the economy. Said emphatically he wouldn’t sign a nat abortion ban which gives the Dems less to fear monger on
Frank,
Clearly you listened. But, invest another hour and note all the pandering … And, the inconsistency in all the promises – What are the “priorities” ? …
I am not against Trump, but perhaps his “handlers” … Even if DJT is a “deep state” / “Manchurian candidate” the stress would be unsustainable – thus the suggested burdens on his wife and youngest son (as well his own physical changes) tend to validate he is “true”. But that does not mean he is not, … perhaps suggests he is vulnerable to compromise.
Pres Trump needs to (trust the American People) state emphatically his “Top Three Actions” – “First Day” – Next, “Top Five Actions” to assert control over the feral government (avoiding the fundamental mistakes of his first administration), … Then the “Next Five Priorities” ….
Consider that it is well accepted that the average human being can remember three to five related ideas, the above average human can remember five to seven … the analysis progresses. …
Trump’s “handlers” do not respect the average American and thus have him pandering to each group they can identify. … Segmenting the base does not build “unity”.
The American People are more unified in their faith, in their understanding of the US Constitution than even President Trump is allowing.
The common element among all (if this country is not doomed to fragmentation) is for DJT to pledge that he will begin the “downsizing” and elimination of feral government functions which are duplicative of those regulatory agencies which the majority of sovereign States administer.
DJT should not be talking of “centralized control of the economy” and choosing those industries he will direct more “feral government, deficit spending towards”. …
Thank you, Sundance, for the information.
Interesting how all those who claim to be MAGA, as opposed to President Trump who consistently says he wants to make America great again – for ALL Americans, have gone out of their way to ‘other’ those who don’t readily buy-in to the new propaganda –
speaking specifically of the Bannon’s and the Posobiec’s whether how they belittle President Trump in his wanting to get large money venture capitalists – the very people who will finance the new factories and steel mills and inventions (whether they hire American citizens or the brightest of the bright foreign citizens) or going around the country selling the idea that people not agreeing with them are ‘Unhuman” –
in my view, so my opinion only – those minded people who continually spew hatred of others are the equivalent of the Left, only difference is they are the right-wing of the Uniparty Vulture and if they continue to demean “the other” instead of trying to find a way to work WITH them, not the politicians, the business people,
they will be the very reason that MAGA never gets a next chance.
Listen again to President Trump’s responses to the questions, he is continually looking for creative ways to fix problems, not blaming the business people but the politicians who put up the roadblocks.
YES!!!!! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
No … Bill, You … Must be a TROLL.
I agree that MAGA patriots would be smart to refrain from making LEGAL immigration a wedge issue in the upcoming presidential campaign. Give President Trump the credit he is due to figure out who benefits this country and who doesn’t.
We’d best stick to protesting the ILLEGAL hordes streaming across our border under FJB. Even demonrats are starting to admit how dangerous the UNIparty’s open borders policy is.
I saw this on the WaPo via Citizens Free Press and I think it’s utter garbage. Has anyone else heard of this? I sure haven’t!
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/06/22/trump-convention-revolt-right-wing-arizona/
I saw it and read it in part, quickly coming to the conclusion it was all hyped BS.
Anything in WAPO is a LIE
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Public education has eroded our student base for over 30 years. The student base is ineducable in STEM fields. That’s why foreign students come here. They are educable. Trump wants to stop the outflow of educated talent while rebuilding our public school base. Sometimes the butt hurt here when Trump takes a common sense stand is ridiculous.
The erosion started in the late 1950s and hasn’t stopped.
Appomattox.
The trend is accelerating.
Mostly an enlightening discussion. But what planet have these lovely guys been living on?
President Trump’s public stance on abortion since Dobbs has been perfectly clear: Abortion decisions go back to the State; he does not support a federal ban on abortion. Yet the entire panel seemed clueless and felt they had to pump this out of him.
No way President Trump would disclose publicly how he plans to dismantle the Deep State. Did they expect him to? How many times has he said publicly he would never reveal his strategy for defeating an enemy in a time of war?
In the face of Trump’s brilliant engagement with this group, Calacanis and Friedberg still would not commit to voting for him. Wow. Never underestimate the grip of professional vanity.
My favorite PODCAST theallin.com
I still support and vote for Trump, but he is shifting away from Maga. Green cards for students is stupid and a liberal policy. He is still endorsing rinos and unfortunately he will probably still fill his cabinet with rinos. Also MAGA means kicking out all of the Zionists, but Trump is a servant of Israel. Israel is our enemy and a mooch. They literally bribe both parties and steal all of our money.
In the interview; when asked, what I heard was green cards for the foreign students who get Doctorates. Not just any students, but those who worked to the top of the top. President Trump was very specific on that topic.
Sorry, but no. This is what he said:
Trump was asked about plans for companies to be able to import the “best and brightest” in a podcast taped Wednesday with venture capitalists and tech investors called the “All-In.”
“What I want to do and what I will do is you graduate from a college, I think you should get automatically as part of your diploma a green card to be able to stay in this country. And that includes junior colleges too, anybody graduates from a college. You go there for two years or four years,” he said, vowing to address this concern on day one.
https://www.nwahomepage.com/news/politics/ap-trump-proposes-green-cards-for-foreign-grads-of-us-colleges-departing-from-anti-immigrant-rhetoric/
Agree. I love PDJT, this part, not so much. If this were to become policy it would need a lot of work. Any yahoo gets to stay just because he or she graduated from college? No way. A lot of what is wrong with this country now is due to college graduates.
With everything going on in this country and the world abortion is going to be the deciding factor in this election?
Bean me up, Scotty!
Sorry, but I still can’t go along with President Trump’s desire to hand out green cards to all foreign students who graduate from U.S. colleges. Not when we have so many American grads and professionals being excluded from the job market by foreign employees, including H1b and outsources. I don’t hear President Trump addressing this lately like he did in 2016, when he stood up for U.S. Disney workers who were being laid off and having to train their foreign replacements. It seems like pandering to the wealthy globalist CEOs instead of standing up for America First. This article from the Heritage Foundation outlines how the current job market is skewed against Americans and toward foreign workers:
But while employment is falling, more foreigners are getting jobs in America. Over the last year, employment rose 637,000 for foreign-born workers but fell 299,000 for native-born Americans. There are fewer native-born Americans employed today than before the pandemic, meaning American workers have made no progress in over four years. In fact, they’ve fallen behind.
Conversely, the employment level of foreign-born workers is not only about 3 million above its pre-pandemic level but has even returned to its pre-pandemic growth trend. It’s no wonder why Americans view the economy so unfavorably: They aren’t the ones getting jobs.
https://themercury.com/commentary-the-job-market-looks-good-only-if-you-ignore-what-s-really-going-on/article_a507af24-2f0f-11ef-a781-d7a470addaf2.html
HIRE AMERICANS FIRST…..
Get rid of the NEA and immediately start the REAL teaching of the 3 R’s and initiate STEM warp speed.
It ain’t rocket science….AMERICAN CHILDREN/FAMILIES have been sold a bill of SHIT when it comes to public education…..their devious wicked plan to dumb them all down has worked brilliantly.
F THE H1B visa plan……spit
I have support our VSGPDJT since the escalator ride but I vehemently oppose him on this issue.
LET EM ALL GET IN LINE LEGALLY…..spit
I first visited the Treehouse in 2016. It continues to be a fantastic resource thanks to Sundance and staff and their approach to open discussion. I don’t often comment as I’m usually not sufficiently qualified to remark on many issues.
This podcast has motivated me to make two observations, which most who have been coming here more than about 30 seconds already know.
Donald J. Trump is the ONLY person within my memory (seven decades+) to espouse a truly American political agenda. That alone is all we need to know to do everything within our power to ensure his return to the White House.Sundance does a great job of presenting subjects which stimulate patriots to engage in meaningful discussion, and at the same time to stimulate the enemy to carpet bomb the Treehouse with divisive rhetoric. My goodness at the new names and tired strategies! (“I support trump – or “donnie”? – BUT ……. “Remain steadfast Wolverines. The attacks will intensify.
Is there a way to edit the comment now that it’s been posted?
Trying to restore the format for easier reading.
Thank you.
i should know this stuff by now
To your right you can touch the page and an edit button appears. This is only available within I think the first ten minutes after you post AND before you refresh the page.
After that you are stuck just adding a follow on comment.
Thank you very much!
Now, if I can just remember that if there’s a next time.
Happens to us all. 😃
Great comment! Thanks.
My now 24 year old son turned me on to the All In Podcast very early on years ago when he was interning at a CA venture capital firm and working on his MBA. The young entrepreneur class loves these guys and I can see why…self made billionaires (and Jason C.) sharing their knowledge and brilliance (and humor) for free on a weekly basis. A pro-Trump Conservative, a TDS host, a relatively non-political science genius, and an independent who is as smart as the other three combined.
I watch or listen to All In every Friday, and was shocked when this episode popped up early on Thursday and Trump was the guest. It was perhaps the best of their episodes, if only to watch the evolution of Chamath towards Trump, the smile on the face of David Sacks landing this interview after his Silicon Valley fundraiser, and the surprising performance of Jayson who used to visibly shake with TDS when discussing Trump. This podcast to me represented the death of the MSM and a major shift in Silicon Valley tech towards accepting Trump as the better option in this election, which would be huge. Everyone in venture capital and tech listens to these guys. The All In Summits in the fall have incredible speakers. Highly recommend looking them up on YouTube, especiallly Ray Dalio.
I don’t watch many podcasts but I watched this one, and agree it was good. We are on the cusp of these worthless TV debates. How great would be if the ‘debate’ was moderated by these guys, both candidates join them for the podcast? Holy cow!
In all the discussions about ILLEGAL aliens and legal immigration, I have not heard the word ASSIMILATION.
Has that word been banned from public discussion?
A long time ago….not here, but in general public discussion.
They all look the same to me
The interview was a top notch discussion on domestic and foreign policy. These individuals put the fake news to shame with their thoughtful and intelligent questions. It seems like Americans have plenty of alternative media besides the DEI propagandists at ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, Fox News and MSDNC. With that said, I will only watch their program when Trump is on. I am not very supportive of the green cards for college grads, although if it improves Trump’s chances of winning, I will relent. A lot of the legal immigrants from socialist third world countries vote overwhelmingly for Democrats, so it is a losing long-term strategy for America. However, we are at a make of break point in American history, so if this is necessary for Trump to win, then go for it. If Trump loses, I guess it won’t make a difference anyway because the country will likely be toast.
Trump has gone from our family s last best hope for America, to nothing more than Joe Biden without a diaper(we think) and John Casich without his mailbag.
Regarding H-1B VISAs:
U.S. universities gladly admit foreign students because they pay full tuition. And students are happy to pay it. Why? Because an unconstitutional program created entirely without congress’ approval, the Optional Practical Training (OPT), grants them a three-year work permit if they graduate with a STEM degree, and also improves their odds for obtaining a pathway towards citizenship.
Moreover, foreign graduates on OPT have a competitive advantage over U.S. citizens when it comes to getting that first job after college. Hiring an OPT worker v. a citizen or permanent lawful resident amounts to a 15.3% discount per student because both the employer and foreign graduate are exempt from paying Medicare and Social Security taxes.
The stapling a Green Card to a diploma narrative is flawed because it’s attempting to solve a problem that doesn’t exist. It would also create a moral hazard whereby some foreign students may aspire to attend top tier academic institutions but, MOST would be satisfied with fifth tier, as they’re here expressly to procure a Green Card. With roughly one million foreign students from 200 countries, U.S. institutions would become de facto immigration processing centers.
From Institute for Sound Public Policy
Amen – thanks for posting this, Anne. I’m tired of CEOs crying poor about needing more workers and NEEDING to import them, when there are plenty of qualified American candidates here. The problem is that, although they themselves make millions of dollars a year, they do not want to pay them the going rate, and are always looking to cut corners with cheaper labor pools, regardless of the downside.
Good companies with good bosses are servant leaders, who reward good workers with decent pay, working conditions, and opportunities for growth — and those workers stay, advance, contribute, and help the company grow. It’s a win-win situation, and no one gets hurt. We hear many of President Trump’s employees who worked for him talk about their experiences like that — that it was like a family, and they loved working there.
But throughout history, too many businesses and enterprises have built their success on exploiting cheap labor. Whether it was slave labor, child labor, sweatshops, immigrants, outsourced foreign labor, illegal aliens, or H1B hires, there is a history in this country of business people who get ahead by cutting corners and finding vulnerable but desperate populations to use for profit. It’s an ugly legacy, and I wish there were more business owners who cared not just about making money, but also with how they made it.
Regardless of what one thinks about Trump’s answers (agree or disagree), there are certainly cogent. Is there anyone on the planet who sincerely thinks Joe Biden could do this interview on these topics and provide coherent answers?
Anyone?
Bueller?
Oyyyy lots of fighting and backbiting on this thread.
So, I offer a SOLUTION. Good education along with good jobs can be found here and these major manufacturers are so invested in finding eligible candidates, they PAY the students while they attend school. Hybrid college lab, correspondence courses, and on-the-job training.
15 month Associates of Technology Program
Indiana students are paid $18 – 23/hour while in school. Check for details closest to your location.
College program through Vincennes University is around $22,000… the goal is to graduate students debt free. I believe there are programs as far west as Colorado but check the map for the website I posted.
Students learn electrical, plumbing, sheet metal, welding, controller programming plus leadership skills, and financial stewardship.
Strong college level English composition and Algebra required. C+ or higher grades mandatory through the program, or you’re out
http://fame-usa.com/fame-program-locations/
First year graduates earn $60k per year and $90-100k per year at year 5 post graduation.
There’s no excuse why our American children, our veterans, or those looking for a second act… can’t get a good paying job.
Keep America fueled by American ingenuity.
The after interview talk was equally interesting, Chamath pointed out that some of their perceptions of President Trump had been influenced by the media gaslighting, leaving them surprised to discover that Trump is actually a very thoughtful person.
But to still be hung up based on the J6 propaganda … gah!
Trump said even in 1995 that the media is dishonest and that he wasn’t sure how an honest guy like himself would be treated in politics.
“There’s a certain dishonesty, unfortunately, that you need for running for office… I’m a pretty straight guy and I’m not sure that somebody that really calls it like it is and says ‘this is what you have to do’ – I’m not sure that kind of a guy gets elected.”
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Wonder why PDJT did not answer/address the question about gain of function?? Is he unaware, is he not wanting to reveal his future plans to dismantle, or is it a political calculation of some sort???
Well, he didn’t take the bait. Besides President Trump looks at these issues from the viewpoint of how much money does the USA have invested and what are the taxpayers getting back in return on their investment.
Honestly, it would have been a political mistake for him to go into the dirty details of “gain of function” at this point. I expect he knows much more than he is saying and rightly so.
I’m not getting all hyped up over the college graduate green card discussion, because:
1) The election is November 5th
2) After January 20, 2025, there will be plenty of discussions, proposal for amendments to existing laws, hearing from all sides of the issue and a whole lotta of weeping, whaling and gnashing of teeth from both sides, which may delay reasonable and MAGA action on the devastating illegal immigration issue facing this country, while fending off a deep depression.
I enjoyed this podcast and sensed that a few of these fellas, (I am not familiar with any of them), really believe they are up, up and away beyond reproach on their ideas for our country and their opinion of the man and President Donald John Trump. In that regard, I was not very positively impressed. Perhaps they should come down to earth for a few days a week and see what all the “other liddle people” are doing daily.
Not everyone lives in the high-tech world, as they do.
President Trump was himself and that’s why I have always supported him even before his 2015 escalator entrance into politics. He was saying and doing much the same during the Tea Party years and supported our efforts early on.
He is not arrogant, he demonstrates his ability to learn about the current issues of the day rapidly, with great understanding, so that he can discuss with the experts and ask pertinent questions and suggest resolutions to problems effecting America. Even his critics should be able to recognize and acknowledge that.
It’s my hope that he will continue to participate in these great discussions with anyone or any group that invites him into their space.
And I almost forgot
fjb
Stay Frosty.
I wish he were not so evasive on some issues. Especially Fouci.
To my mind he sounded much more like the run of the mill politician rather that the President we all know.
Has he been taking notes from Senator Graham?
I’d rather give an educated immigrant a Green Card than give any and all green cards to illegal immigrants.
Besides many young Americans have Useless degrees. I know a few with social worker degrees which are social justice degrees.
TRUMP is right got to get rid of Dept of ED or our Young won’t have a chance.
I’d really like to know what Trump intends to do about this
All I’m saying is, this is not a new position for PDJT. He had often stated he hates to see talent leave the country. This was an answer to a direct question this time and when he went further with, maybe green cards for all graduates, I did cringe. It is a blind spot for him. I hope this high profile comment spurs enough awareness amongst his team that the bases position breaks through.
All and all though—I think it is an honest answer. Thank you for that President Trump.
A lot to like here, but his answer on COVID is pathetic. It’s nonsensical and frankly pretty disingenuous.
the de-brief was the best summation of it. If you don’t have the time, just watch it.
H1B has been and is being severely abused to discriminate against native-born American workers in all of the Dow Jones Companies. Put an end to the H1B visas, whose output is more bluster and BS than actual technical improvement. I based this on 30 years in Big Telecom. H1B is a scam!
It looks like the biggest point of dissension in this interview is the proposal to keep foreign born college graduates, perhaps especially STEM graduates, after graduation.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/04/march-jobs-report-reveals-one-big-problem-bidens/.
https://x.com/RealEJAntoni/status/1776444388064813062?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1776444388064813062%7Ctwgr%5Ee32c2238798ca2759d7dd1f86cd6e71c243eb112%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thegatewaypundit.com%2F2024%2F04%2Fmarch-jobs-report-reveals-one-big-problem-bidens%2F
All employment growth has gone to the foreign born.
https://x.com/CIS_org/status/1757499410953429054?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1757499410953429054%7Ctwgr%5Ee32c2238798ca2759d7dd1f86cd6e71c243eb112%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thegatewaypundit.com%2F2024%2F04%2Fmarch-jobs-report-reveals-one-big-problem-bidens%2F
All Jobs Recovered Post-Covid Under Joe Biden Went to Foreign-Born Workers – Including Illegals:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/02/bidenomics-all-jobs-recovered-post-covid-under-joe/
When My family immigrated here from Canada in 1964, my dad had to have a job and a sponsor, who put up a 5,000.00 bond to cover us if my dad couldn’t work etc.
I was a teen so couldn’t be written onto my parents citizenship that took 7 years to get approved. We were here on green cards. When I got my citizenship, I had to take a citizenship class, graduate, take a test, and pass. I saw many in the basement of the federal building in LA while I waited to get approved, with their immigration lawyers who couldn’t even sign their names on the paperwork let alone speak any english. I was sworn in during an Amnesty year with 14,000 others in LA. The Judge actually said we all didn’t have to settle here in California. There are other beautiful states for us to go to. It was quite an experience.
the only way you will stop abortion is by changing hearts and minds. You can have laws against discrimination and that prevents discrimination but it doesn’t stop racism. You stop that by changing hearts and minds. Same with abortion. you want the laws changed then speak to people. start a pregnancy center that helps mothers and babies. Mark Levin asks for donations to provide sonograms because they often convince women to continue the pregnancy, We have to get the narrative away from the Democrats. Once we convince enough people to embrace life THEN we’ll get the laws changed. Just my .02 worth. it’s a shame it was ever legalized.