As expected, the lawyers representing Donald Trump have asked the Supreme Court to intervene in the DC appellate court decision on presidential immunity. [SEE pdf Here]
At the heart of the matter is really the intersection of politics and a weaponized judiciary. If presidents do not have absolute immunity while in office, then their political opposition can just threaten to file charges against them once their term expires. The obvious problems are easy to see.
WASHINGTON DC – Donald Trump asked the Supreme Court on Monday to block a lower court’s ruling that he is not immune from criminal charges stemming from his bid to subvert the 2020 election.
The 39-page motion puts the fate of his criminal case in Washington, D.C. squarely in the hands of the nine justices, three of whom he nominated.
[…] Trump’s new filing at the Supreme Court also asks for a step that could produce additional delay. He requests that the justices grant a stay and hold off on further action on the immunity issue until the D.C. Circuit decides whether to reconsider the immunity claim in front of that court’s full 11-judge bench. Such “en banc” rehearings are rare, but formal action on Trump’s request for one could take weeks, particularly if any members of the appeals court wish to file an opinion or opinions disagreeing with their colleagues.
“Allowing President Trump to pursue en banc review in the D.C. Circuit will provide an opportunity for … thoughtful consideration in the lower court before this Court addresses the novel, complex, and momentous issues at stake in this appeal,” Trump’s attorneys wrote. (Read more)
The democrats believe they are immune to any blowback because they own the judiciary.
“immune to any blowback because they own the judiciary”
Or they own the lawfare…
Or they own both
I suspect Biden will issue a blanket pardon for himself and all his family members as his last act in office. He probably already has it written up, signed and stashed away in a sealed envelope “just in case” he becomes incapable of signing things. He will want to take no chances of having happen to him what he is doing to Trump.
Can he pardon himself? That has tyranny written all over it!
From what I have read, the presidential pardon could be applied to oneself. The Constitution does not restrict that possibility.
The power of pardon is absolute. I believe Trump should’ve pardoned himself, but he probably weighed that this method (going through all this) would bring more of the scum to light.
Biden can absolutely pardon himself or anyone. Yes, there is a pardon review process but the decision ultimately lies with the President – its a check-and-balance against the other two branches: Congress creating questionable law and the Judiciary for convicting/imprisoning “wrongfully”.
Wouldn’t he have to have legal capacity to act? 😉
😆 🙂
Imagine that can of worms being opened.
😅 what an absolutely great observation
A president is no different from any other man though the power invested to pardon himself is supposed to work as a check-and-balance against questionable laws and Judiciary convicting someone for “wrongful” or made-up crimes and set ups .
However, there is no requisite for real contrition, which biblically is imperfect.
Attrition being the lowest degree of repentance, or a sorrow for offense arising from a sense of shame, any temporal inconvenience attending the commission of it or merely from fear of the punishment due to it.
All this, WITHOUT any resolution to repeat the offense/offenses no more: in consequence of which doctrine, what is argues is that after a wicked and flagitious course of life, a man may be reconciled to God, and his sins forgiven on his death-bed, by confessing them to the priest with this imperfect degree of sorrow and repentance.
Man making himself God. Hence we see the consequences of such an argument. No accountability for anything nor concern for harm/damage done to others for self interests alone. Any and everything goes for now.
It might, however, be easily shown that the mere pardon without justice for infringements on account of of its consequences, and NOT on account (of its evil nature, on some inferior though supernatural motive such as the loss of heaven, or the punishment of hell, or the heinousness of sin itself); is no more acceptable to God than hypocrisy itself can be.
Biden, like every other Democrat, do not apply to themselves, what they convinced themselves of where Trump is concerned – Trump is guilty, and if Trump is found guilty of a federal crime, he would be disqualified from being president again. Biden wanted his Justice Department to interfere with the 2024 election. He wanted Trump taken out of the running.
Correction : Double negative. This reads clearer …
“All this, WITHOUT any resolution which is …. (NOT) to repeat the offense/offenses
no moreSince the Dems are capable of and have demonstrated they will accuse PDJT of almost anything, then PDJT should have pardoned himself from “any charge the democrats are capable of dreaming up”.
It ain’t Biden. Biden has nothing to do with anything and hasn’t for decades. It was the bush cabal with their golden boy Obama who is doing this.
Stop pretending that this administration is rotten all the way from the head down – whether the guy has his head on head aligned to whatever cabal under whatever every-which-way names – Bush, BHO, the Squad, big businesses, big Pharma, Rinos, Hollywood, woke military, global elites, Soros, LBGTQ, DOJ/FBI what-have-yous.
Say what you will, the guy speaks from the podium of the WH as commander, legit or not. The guy has always been openly vocal anti-Trump – even blaming Garland for not going after Trump sooner.
Will Congress disqualify states from kicking PDJT off the ballot?
No he wanted to be reelected. The sad part is, trump took their bait. They counted on him to take this route so they could further weaken the voters choice of officials.
President Trump never “pardoned” himself because he believed — and rightly so — that he never did anything illegal.
Not for treason he cant.
I believe the only crime a president cannot pardon him or herself of is a state crime and something he or she has been impeached and convicted of. (A president cannot cancel an impeachment conviction via the pardon).
The only belief anyone should have is FJB is not a legit president therefore cannot pardon anything. Good grief can the Pretending Just Stop!
and?
Is he competent to issue a pardon?
Sign a will or a senate bill?
Are his executive orders even valid?
Or, perhaps this lawfare case being tried against PDJT, will be spun as giving Biden immunity for actions HE has taken as POTUS?
All well and good, but Pres. Dementia has a long list of things he did before becoming president that’s not covered under any immunity act.
When a man lacking the requisite character to hold great power is overwhelmed by his own moral turpitude, entire nations fall apart. We see and know without pretense.
Biden’s America ROTS from the head down. In every sphere, the American political system faces more and more each day a leprosy of rule breaking that threatens constitutional government. From Left-wing “Antifa” taking down Portland – many of whom arrested were all practically released with charges dismissed.
Millions invade our southern border and, instead of deporting them, the Biden administration puts them on charter jets to fly in the middle of the night to other states and as we see withint he last years, “and then some”.
The fart-4 witches.
Someone leaked a draft U.S. Supreme Court opinion that would overrule Roe v. Wade. We saw abortion supporters demonstrated outside the homes of conservative judges on the Court. Federal law makes it a crime to demonstrate outside the residence of a judge aiming to influence the judge’s decision. No one was arrested.
Meanwhile, stories leaked that the FBI is investigating as suspected domestic terrorists parents who spoke up at school board meetings against Critical Race Theory “lessons” and the sexualization of grade-school education.
Georgia’s 2021 election reform law has done zilch to stop organized election fraud in the 2022 and 2024 elections. You get the names of people on the voter rolls who have not been voting in recent elections. They are apathetic, dead or they moved out of the county. The data mining of their SSN’s and date of births, applied then for an absentee ballot with the signature on the absentee ballot to match the signature on that application. Then they did their mailbox stuffing at the local post office and paid people to stuff mail-in ballot collection boxes with the manufactured “votes”. BINGO.
All the constitutional officers in Georgia (governor, secretary of state, and attorney general) deserve defeat in the primary election. They did little to investigate election fraud in 2020. They did not push through systematic anti-fraud legislation.
Elections that are vulnerable to fraud schemes are not credible elections. It does not matter if the fraud schemes work or not.
Even the make believe Hollywood glitterati is lately conceding that Trump may be ‘the
answer’ without pretending.
All of a sudden, elite hip hop artists, Hollywood snobs, and even Jamie Dimon
of the upper crust JP Morgan have been shaken awake.
Biden can’t be held to account. They just went public with his mental disabilities the other day.
Harris will do that after Biden is forced out
For some reason, I dont think heels will see it.
I have long thought that Biden will offer a full pardon to Trump. This would happen once he’s nominated, and just before the debates. This would flip the energy of confrontation in front of millions watching and take the piss out of Trump’s message.
Trust me on this 😉
They would only offer that if he steps aside.
Joe doesn’t do quid pro quo.
“And I said fire the prosecutor or you don’t get the billion dollars, and son of a _ _ _ _ _, they fired him.”
Joe Biden, on video, inadvertently admitting a quid pro quo.
Debates? There is no way in he’ll Biden debates Trump, he doesn’t have the capacity.
They freaked out that Trump might do that, so that tells you it’s EXACTLY what Biden will do. Don’t be surprised if we see blanket pardons for people like Comey and Brennan. And anyone involved in Lawfare criminal conspiracies.
…but he forgot where he hid it, poor Joe.
My question would be, “What the flip don’t they own?” I’m more in awe of VSGDJT every single day, cuz he doesn’t need this ish….it is crystal clear that he is fighting for We the People, and he’s not bout to stop now🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Huh, almost like it was preordained years ago. 🥰
Basically, they own John Roberts! Amy Barrett is kinda iffy too. Turncoats!
Bob,
Change “ believe” into “ know”.
So what happened to all those judges that Trump supposedly appointed with the help of the sinister Mitch McConnell? Like where are they. My conclusion is all those positions were in meaningless lower level courts because Obama took care of all the important courts.
The 11th and 5th Circuits have been doing us up right for over a year now.
Or we would not have Missouri v Biden going as well as it has been.
As has the Ninth circuit.
No! The “RANDOM” selection process at the District Court
is corrupted just like the elections officials!
No. Not true. Trump appointed 54 Appeals Court judges. That’s about a third of all of them. The real problem is the DC Circuit. Many of these cases are being held in their jurisdiction. There are 11 judges on the court. Trump was able to put three judges on the court. Obama has four still there. Biden has gotten three and there is one left over from Bush the elder. At best it is 7-4 against.
Trump was able to make some of the Circuits very conservative. He transformed the notoriously liberal Ninth Circuit to almost normal from being far left, but a president can only fill vacancies as they come up. Unfortunately, Biden has been very busy himself, and he has been appointing far left, incompetent judges.
Right. The DC Circuit is the problem.
Time to change jurisdictional rules for that circuit.
Get the cases out of DC.
The only entity that can change those rules is Congress. Good luck.
The Democrats own the judiciary and 99% of the media. So yeah they’re pretty much immune to any illegal activity they undertake.
They are immune because Republicans are pansies.
Or on the take.
Lol
Demonrats would think that.
There are too many of us. Most of us are armed. We are the ones with families. We have the jobs, the companies and the property. They have pronouns.
They simply view the constitution as optional.
Anyone voting for this is voting for their own disempowerment. This is a direct assault on the voting peoples elected officials – this will begin a new era of presidents who are essentially there just for show with no power to reign in corruption. This is an attack on democracy.
Not just the demonrats, its the GOPe…..hence, the Uniparty!
If we don’t win the House again watch the Demonrats deny him the Presidency in January. And you can bet a few RINOs will join them for “bipartisanship” or some such nonsense.
Evil.
agreed and we are on target to lose the house thanks to the RINOS….
They are already screaming Russian interference again. They will do what they did to get Obiden selected in 2020, but this time they will reverse and “expose” it and claim it was Russia, and real votes were not real votes, and the election was flipped by Russia for Trump. Then they will manufacture votes to fit the narrative and this time they will have months instead of midnight hours to do so.
In effect, there is no presidency now and there won’t be one in the future.
While the Presidency has been invalidly occupied by an imbecile for more than three years, the other two branches of government have moved to eliminate it all together.
With this decision rendered by a Bush Family judge and two invalidly appointed judges by the Imposter President, the power of the presidency invested in Article II becomes moot.
Preemptive Impeachment is embedded in the Senate’s Super Bowl Sunday attempted Coup, passing a package of war funding that includes $60 billion for Ukraine.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/02/mitch-mcconnell-senate-rinos-help-pass-ukraine-funding/
Finally someone gets it
Any delay could cause weeks of increasing poll numbers
I’m not optimistic on this one.
You are wise.
I do not envy the Supreme Court either.
Stuck between a rock and a hard place, much a product their own doing.
Why should it be a hard place for them? It’s obvious to anyone that President Trump has immunity.
It is a plain thing.
Problem is they have played politics before, and pretended that they have not.
That should mean Joe also has it but vice versa could change that with Roberts meddling against Trump.
How hard is it to call balls and strikes then let the chips fall?
Roberts will not take it
How can he not. Too important with present and future ramifications.
Well, he certainly avoided any proceedings or decisions concerning the 2020 election fiasco and that was certainly also “too important with present and future ramifications”.
He doesn’t have a choice. The appeals court have decided on a fact of Federal Law.
Please go and read the Motion on behalf of President Trump, its very solidly drafted and cross stitched with historic precedent case law, pages 23 onwards gets into the arguments etc.
Yes, well worth the time.
The John Adams and Obama references made me laugh.
Great reading, if legal briefs are your thing.
It shows you what a monumental and historic president that Pres Trump is in that no other president in our history has been attacked as much as he has been since he came down the elevator…
The reason why? As Sundance says, there are trillions at stake.
Yes there’s trillions at stake, but ultimately PDT is a direct threat to their power and control
We are also a threat to their power and control. We just need to realize that like the EU farmers and truckers have already done to a large degree.
I am waiting for the pin to drop on the realization that without farmers, truckers and the working folk there is nothing for “the elite” to control.
Until then its just going full speed ahead with the destruction of Western society, I reckon.
“They” as in the Elite (or Special Services) have a semblance of control because “The Worker” each day goes to perform their job to provide for their family and pay their taxes.
The family unit being one of the things “they” are also destroying: They hate family, They hate you going to work (carbon), They hate you eating a Sunday meal with some meat. They hate you going to church and finding like minded community. They hate you breathing (CO2)
Going to get ugly.
As is Vladimir Putin.
As is control over all of the “West” and potentially all of the globe (remember most politicians are simply high paid prostitutes).
What a horrible insult to the oldest profession!
‘At the heart of the matter is really the intersection of politics and a weaponized judiciary.’ – Sundance
Precisely. Even in their ivory aerie, the Supremes must recognize that the weaponized Beria Garland/Smith ‘justice’ department is wildly out of control.
Well, maybe not the hopeless affirmative-action appointee Sotomayor. But the rest of them, even including the malleable John RINO Roberts, are struck by an unwonted feeling of disquiet. Something has gone badly wrong here.
Yeah…feelings of some disquiet. Indeed.
I recently opined on this issue:
We will find out just how corrupt/compromised our highest court is now.
This is the LAST opportunity to see if there is even a modicum of justice left in our system.
BINGO.
All the diamonds.
Cowboy Up, either way.
Nope, I am sorry to disagree with you but SCOTUS showed their true colors when they decided that the feds could cut razor wire in Texas…
BRING BACK TAR AND FEATHERING!!!🇺🇸
All good.
This is a defining moment case though, moreso than the border issue as crazy as that sounds.
If they rule against him in this one, there is zero chance they will ever ‘rule’ right again.
Constitutional Issue.
Yup
Agree. Saddle up anyway, it’s fun to ride.
Is there a statute of limitations for illegally taking the life of an America citizen, which the brief touches upon.
Funny that.
The Texas case is kayfabe, and that involved a temporary injunction.
Emotionally impactful. Legally, muh.
It was about procedure not the merits of the case.
Wrong and wrong again. The Court showed its true colors when it refused to hear valid cases of voter fraud which was used to rig a presidential election. The basis for refusing one case was that Texas didn’t have standing over voting that occurred in another state. Of course, that is preposterous because it was the office of the President which impacted every citizen. The court has been compromised since John Roberts took over as Chief Justice. A frequent visitor from what I understand to Epstein Palace.
There was no voter fraud . That was a diversion from the very obvious fact that the government stole the election via coercion and censorship in social media.
Quit perpetuating the fraud that the deep state came up with to screw us all.
Or that a dispute between states, the TX v. PA case, was not in their jurisdiction.
I’m of the opinion that Roberts and Barrett are more old-school traditional establishment in their philosophy.
Roberts does not want the Court to be demolished and he will do what needs to be done to protect it from going sideways.
When Roberts acts in that way, to protect the Supreme Court, Barrett usually follows his lead.
Even Kavanaugh, who also seems to follow the establishment route at times, will find common ground with Gorsuch (who is more Libertarian) and Alito and Thomas (who is actually leading this Court).
But, I’m not an expert, I just observe for fun and I have taken a few required law courses, along with working in the justice system (at the county and state level) for about 20 years.
I’m just not as certain as many of the Supreme Court naysayers.
They, most likely, will do what behooves them to move in a certain direction.
Agree.
Why am I not at peace with it finally getting to SCOTUS in all confidence the rule of law will be upheld? Instead, I’m holding my breath and we all know why.
If SC deciders are smart (at avoiding tough calls as long as possible ) they will move it back to DC en banc ~”such rehearings are rare” says article , but DYT this is a RARE case for Pete’s sake – the first in history … duh! …and SC can see what happens after that ( maybe Joe will help them out and pardon PDJT at same time he pardons himself and Hunter.. sarcasm tag needed ? )
They will also have to decide if this is an issue at law or if it is a political issue.
The court may not rule on political issues, but of course, they make that decision…Stop the pretending.
It is time to make a noise….just in case it is a political issue…./s
Beautiful, he effectively chose both options, SCOTUS and the Circuit Court en banc.
The three joke panel seemed to have been trying to steer him away from demanding an en banc request by the way they suspended their ruling taking effect, completely held if he went to SCOTUS, only maybe held if he chose to demand the full court attend the question, and as the last paragraph Sundance posted makes clear, the Circuit Court has the ability and the duty to flesh out as much of the argument as possible before it goes to SCOTUS, which is essentially standard practice for normal jurisprudence.
So PDJT now has the trial held by going to SCOTUS, but requested of SCOTUS to allow the lower court to do their duty first, which helps his case and also draws the process out, as well it should be, the panel sought to unconscionably abbreviate the process to our President’s detriment.
that is my understanding as well…it sounds like he will get the other 2 (or maybe just 1) positive ruling and they can use that for the SC case…
Brilliantly done by President Trumps attorneys. And the rest of Jack Schitt’s case in DC will be gutted by his misapplication of case law and malicious prosecution.
🙏
sounds logical
Yes, no Supreme Court should ever step on its lower court. They are they ones who prepare the cases for SCOTUS.
That to me looks to be the point as well: the aim is to draw out the process to a maximum extent.
Did not CNN (of all the publications) write an article admitting as such: if the Supreme court takes the case it would delay past the date where it actually matters for the election. Thus nullifying this particular instance of lawfare attack.
Now another question is what will the SC say if they do take it. Would they choose to undermine all future presidents immunity. Whatever the result it will be too late for this election as I then understand it — given current approach.
Yes, part of the point is drawing it out, but equally important is that he is striving to see that proper jurisprudence takes place and removes this fraudulent Constitutional hazard from all future Presidents.
Ain’t his fault that doing it right serves him well in slowing down this farcical judicial aggression.
If you remember back to the earlier SCOTUS comments Maquis, they specifically talked about the fact that the case should be thoroughly examined by the lower courts as a first step – in all but word indicating that they wanted an en banc review regardless of the outcome. Definitely think his lawyers will win that point – the question is will they give him the stay.
They already ruled the conditions of their stay, and he has met them, on two grounds, one, on taking it to SCOTUS, second, on entreating the Circuit Court to perform a full en banc; and while the second stay requires that they take it up, his appeal to the Supremes fairly chastises the lower court into doing its duty.
I may be wrong, but it was my understanding that the only thing which their self directed stay covered was an appeal to SCOTUS and that the stay would NOT be in effect from a simple appeal for a full district court review (which is why he is asking SCOTUS for a stay while he pursues such a review).
The en banc option had qualifiers, but it was indeed an included stay option.
Oh, come on, the repubs would never file charges against a ‘rat president after he or she left office. Don’t you realize, only the ‘rats can do this to a repub president after they leave office.
If Trump gets into office again, the pay back will be absolute fun to read! Karma baby, Karma! Even Mitch might decide to spend more time with his family!
Ken Paxton would do it. That’s why they tried to take him out
It’s also a major destruction of court procedure. Trump has an absolute right to request an en banc review and the DC court is denying him that right.
What the hell happened to the Presidential Records Act and what happened to our U. S. Constitution, Rule of Law, an equal system of justice and our Constitutional Republic? This case should never have been presented to a court.
We haven’t had a Congress that serves We the People and the legal voting majority since 2021. I agree with Life, Liberty & Levin that pudding brain’s classified docs case contains multiple violations of The Espionage Act. And if this serial liar was identified 2017 as already exhibiting serious memory lapses, how did he get 81 million votes???
They used it to wipe their own rears. Then they pissed on them for good measure.
We haven’t had a congress for decades that serves We The People. Almost all are bought and paid for.
So sad.
Almost all??
Yet, there are people on the comment board advocating for creating some body that oversees the three branches of government to make sure that they are following the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Our system of government only works if we have moral people in place. Otherwise, we turn into this cesspool.
Oh, goody, that’s what we need is another silo! Said no one. 😊
Just one.
We’ve a few that have suddenly taken it upon themselves to offer book length entreaties to follow their brilliant ideas, and promised to flood us with more.
Almost as if intending to steer this audience on wild goose chases for some reason . . .
The People rule, and are sovereign. While we have courts, legislators and an executive, it is the People who ultimately and necessarily, make political decisions….not legalistic ones. At that level, the decision making is supra-Constitutional. Let us pray those are not done in a hasty manner.
Is this Smiths case in Florida, which involves the Presidential records act or is this his case in DC which is about insurection?
DC Circuit, so the latter…
Easy to get confused, all of these different lawfare cases!
Thus, election fraud! Now, it looks like they painted themselves into a corner! To buy Harris out, it might take 3 summer homes, one in Florida, Hawaii, and Alaska, LOL!
its all breaking down now.
Again, IMO the single greatest act PT could do once re-elected President is to……..
Declassify with virtually zero redactions, all the communications from 2016-2024 of some key individuals and share them publicly with the world and let everyone see and hear if there were indeed any organized, groups that conspired to intentionally subvert a sitting President and the US Constitution while also trying to stifle and control free speech of many Americans.
IMO none of what we have been witnessing these past years happens without coordination and communication so IMO the real potential crimes and evidence are most likely in the COMMS and sitting in Utah.
You will never see the evidence stored in those giant server farms out in Utah, so long as the courts continue to defer to the agencies on matters of “national security” and “sources and methods”.
Declassifying anything would also require those agencies to oblige the act as they possess and effectively control all of that classified material. They will not as presently constituted. One must change that dynamic first.
You delete your text messages: the feds get them anyways.
Feds delete their text messages: oh well that’s that then, nothing can be done!
Plenty of US Marines and USSS agents capable of going into those organizations and taking the required information.
There will be resistance and casualties.
Many will volunteer knowing the cost of going against the Feds. The ones we need to do such, will do it anyways for principles.
Yes…an oath that was given that had no expiration date …
What, exactly, do you think the FBI was trying to locate at Mar A Lago?
A defendant has an absolute 6th Amendment right to introduce evidence (documents) in his own defense.
Who is a defendant in Florida right now?
What does he have in his possession that he declassified?
What did Judge Cannon just rule about the redactions that DOJ wanted and did not get?
What is President Trump going to show the American public through his defense case?
How do you introduce evidence legally?
“We caught them all.”
I’m aware.
They’ve created mountains of evidence in furtherance of siloing past misdeeds and ongoing conspiracies.
Exponentially more over time. This was about covering up those loose ends.
Snowden.
why do you think the democrats luv utah senator mittens R…
They are/will rue the day they passed The (Dis) Patriot Act..just a hop, skip, and jump at looking at the Cabal’s communications.
He tried that before and the FBI stopped it! Citing security concerns!
6th amendment right to introduce evidence in your defense and cross examine the witnesses against you.
Much better ground for the fight. Unassailable, pretty much.
Putin could do it now.
He could, but as he pointed out, with the Western media in full control of the propoganda and brainwashing, it would roll off like water off a duck.
I do wonder what was in that set of documents he gave Tucker Carlson though.
>>> I do wonder what was in that set of documents he gave Tucker Carlson though.
Bingo.
On-camera, no less.
He said it was, um err, history. That could cover a lot.
He also said he knew Tucker had, at some time in the past, tried to join the CeyeA.
So, if he did give the crown jewels to Tucker, he could have been covering both eventualities:
1, if TC passed it on to the good guys, all well and good.
2, if TC passed it on to the bad guys it let the bad guys know he had the goods on them, and could use it anytime.
Anyone here have any suggestions on how I can avoid feeling nauseous every time I listen to the despicable Andrew Weissmann on MSNBC commenting on Trump’s various legal cases? Also, the equally despicable Michael Steele? I know I could just not listen to them but I believe in keeping tabs on what the enemy is saying.
It is enemy propaganda. Nothing to be gained. Cancel the cable and tune in here.
Retired Magistrate here: You already know what the enemy is saying; i.e., “Orange Man Bad”, etc., etc. so why subject yourself to more misery by listening to them.
Remember, you control your mind and what you put into it.
CUT THE CORD
Just imagine a bullseye on the forehead. It does wonders.
Mute/closed captioning
And while you’re in settings in your TV, make them all look like oompa-loompas…fills the void for comedy until Andy Griffith is on. 😂
Andy is on every day in our home… black and white version, of course. Even have our 2 1/2 year old grandson watching when he’s here. He hears that opening song whistle and comes running.
It never gets old!
I love Andy Griffith!
And throw in some Gunsmoke, Bonanza and Columbo! 🥰
A little trivia…….
Andy Griffith was one of the most left wing people in Hollywood.
He and Ron Howard did a get out the vote commercial for the Dems and a promo for Obama.
Yeah, I pretend he wasn’t a lib. 🤣🤣🤣
Yee HAH!
Why didn’t I think of that.
That’s exactly why I don’t listen to them, any of them. I can’t stomach their lies.
Stop listening to it. Why are you doing that to yourself? Are you addicted to MSNBC?
Masocist.
🤣 🤣
There isn’t a day which passes wherein I don’t say (to myself and under my breath), my desire to stay informed is at odds with my desire to remain sane.
I really don’t have that problem .
My house is a Pravda-free zone except for whatever short clips my various favorite podcasters and Sundance choose to present, always framed with insight that might never have occurred to me.
And yes, muting and close-captioning are great tools!
I don’t consider it a problem, steph. Just life…
Eventually, Atlas will shrug.
pepto
Herr Weissmann is actually a seditionist and the type that would still be smirking at us as they placed the rope over his neck.
He takes great delight in prosecuting/persecuting the innocent.
He’s just going to lie, who needs to watch.
Sorry, I checked out at the mental image of Weismann smirking as we put a noose around his neck, and now my jaw is siezing, with an ear to ear grin,….you were saying,…?
drink heavily
I’m so sick of this feces.
it’s going to get worse. they haven’t even taken out trump yet.
Just another day in the show..
Dems know full well what they claim is going to get smacked down. They need it to be smacked back down. Or they will suffer the same fate. But they need this, the media needs this. Their base needs this. So nothing stops their hacktivist judges from acting on it while the courts sort it out. It’s all part of the show.
They already knew this from the start. The whole point being.. to use it as a weapon against Trump while they can. Drive the hostility and narrative in the media to polarize both sides. Meanwhile it’s obvious this would lead to the SC closing the loop and ensuring it won’t be used against them later.
While it vindicates Trump, it’s still a healthy reminder and rub in the face to the rest of the common folk how untouchable the rest of them are.
I would like to draw everyone’s attention to the question presented, and the standard that President Trump’s team is putting forward.
It is not absolute immunity for anything and everything. It is absolute immunity for OFFICIAL ACTS performed within the outer perimeter of his official responsibility.
This is the correct standard.
It is very important that the SCOTUS puts some meat on the bones of what that means.
President Trump is NOT arguing that the President is above the law. He is arguing that as long as he is carrying out the laws, as judged by him but also as existing within the reasonable outer interpretations of what can be an official act, other branches, including his subordinates in the executive branch, do not have the power to second guess his view.
I have not read the underlying brief, but how the questions presented are framed by a Petitioner is often the most important page of the brief.
When he questioned and called on Congress to review the 2020 election, he was carrying out his duties as President to investigate domestic and foreign interference in the 2020 election.
This much is clear to any sane person.
The more interesting question, which I hope SCOTUS will address, is what are those outer limits?
In particular, say a President determined that certain persons were a threat to “national security ” because they might become whistleblowers and disclose certain illegal and traitorous actions. Could he, within his duties as seen by him, order those persons to fly into a mission that he knew was compromised and would be guaranteed to kill them all?
(Cough cough, SEAL Team 6)?
Do be careful what standard you wish for.
I wish for Obama and Biden to not have immunity for what they did to SEALTeam 6. Not to mention, many other actions.
Quite the irony huh?
The left screaming that the Russians influenced the election in 2016, so PT investigates to the extent he could, and he has been facing lawfare since.
Unless they want to claim the Russians or any other foreign entity did not meddle in the 2020 election.
I am frustrated by the practical need for PDJT’s lawyers to go into that whole “outer interpretations of an official act” b.s.
He is under oath to see the Constitution and laws faithfully executed,..and that certainly includes the myriad of laws on conducting elections.
Its NOT borderline, or anything close to borderline.
Actually it would be a great idea to file murder charges against him while this case is pending full review. Put the pressure on those Lawfare bastards.
I like how you;re thinking!
Brilliant! Make noise.
There are over 2,200 counties in this country which could “empanel a Grand Jury.” What do you think would happen if any of them could “make a criminal indictment” against … Article 2 of the United States Constitution? And the “one person” whom it names to be “The [entire …] ‘Executive Branch?'”
“Obviously, in this new age of ‘Lawfare,’ All(!) of them would.” And they would do so incessantly. The Officeholder would then find it completely impossible to perform his duty. The entire Constitutional framework would thereafter very quickly collapse.
Believe it or not, the SCOTUS first ruled on this issue more than two hundred years ago.
Our Founders, such as Thomas Jefferson, immediately realized that “the Judiciary” was the Weak Link. (Maybe they had begun to regret having not spent much more time on what is the shortest and most vague of the three Articles.)
Mike,
Courts dismiss cases on the basis of official immunity or qualified immunity daily. If you are sued for or charged with an act done while you are still in office, DOJ comes in on your behalf to swap out personal jurisdiction for a governmental defense (unless it was in fact, ultra vires/ outside the scope of your official duties).
And, in the case of certain favored Obama officials, even once you are out of office 🤪
Also, if you are sued for or charged with a crime for an official act after leaving office, there are such things as Rule 11 sanctions, and disciplinary actions actions by the Bar if they are frivolous. Of the 2,200 counties, almost none is going to take on this tiger. Maybe 40, tops. Wherever you find a Soros prosecutor.
The threat you present is not non-existent, but its scope is nowhere near the magnitude you outline.
“Orange Man Bad,” Alex. Anything goes in his case.
“Lawfare” got their start by filing extortionary lawsuits against big corporations, forcing them to settle. But they will now found out that they just took on Article 2 of the United States Constitution.
If the appeals court had done their job
This simple. They either say he is immune or it will be settled on a hill. Lexington and concord style. Just my prediction
Immune for what?
As a person or for the act in question?
Ask better questions.
The act in question in this case was done by him as President in faithfully carrying out the laws.
Who decides whether it was within the scope of his duties? Him, or the court system?
And using what standard?
Deference, or de novo review with SCOTUS acting as a finder of fact?
This isn’t about whether the foot was across the sideline when the player caught the ball.
This is about where the sideline is placed, and who gets to referee.
Understand the difference between the rules of the game (this is the matter before the court) and the call itself.
Right now the rules need clarification. When they ARE clarified, I’m confident we win and the DS players really, really regret pushing this. they will be hoist on their own petard.
Ask the right questions; WHAT act?
Attending the stop the steal protest, and urging those attending to Peacefully and Patriotically go to the Capital and make their
voices heard?
And was THAT an “official act?”
“At the heart of the matter is really the intersection of politics and a weaponized judiciary. If President’s do not have absolute immunity while in office, then their political opposition can just threaten to file charges against them once their term expires. The obvious problems are easy to see.”
Yes, and there is more to expand here. Blackmail. Force of threats. The chilling factor/effect.
If this case holds the colorado argument, then ALL OFFICER, INCLUDING PRESIDENTS (I make this distinction because it is very important to understand that POTUS IS NOT >>I SAY AGAIN…IS NOT AN OFFICER OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT., then all of these elected and non elected people will be throttled by the direct an indirect threats of criminal prosecution once leaving said office.
Justice Roberts hit on this issue, while not diving deeply, but rather pressing the colorado reps to understand that states could under this kind of new precedent, make any allegations, minus an actual charge and conviction, to remove any president (and thus, ME: any minor officer of the federal government, be it elected or non.) In fact Justice Roberts gets irritated by the colorado agent who will not address this issue of “two accounts…two witnesses…two opinions, coming to different conclusions about the meaning and the interpretation of “insurrection”, “aid of foreign or insurrectionist operators (my words). Roberts presses this question because what he is driving at is the central question: absent an actual charge, a trial and conviction in the verdict of guilty, how can the Supreme Court on the United States perform a trial? Upon what evidence? facts? there are disputes to facts. there are disputes to evidence..there are even disputes over the meaning and intention/spirit of what President Trump actually said.
This is the state of the colorado black robes. they have departed the reservation way out beyond left field. rules do not apply in this safari they have created. I respect Justice Roberts (in this instance), that he seems to understand the fundamental flaw with the colorado argument.
President Trump has not been charged with insurrection…not one person has been charged with insurrection. Not one. Concluding he could have violated “the law” by giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists is categorically void of any merit. Even IF we set that fundamental flaw aside, we turn our attention to the reality that he has not been charged with insurrection…no trial has be conducted…no jury or judge has ruled. The colorado black robes AGAIN depart the field and into the jungle. A man is presumed innocent until proven guilty. period …end of story. there is no controversy to debate here.
THEN we get to presidential immunity. And i will repeat my own personal (informed opinion):
a president wields great king like powers. We can like or dislike it, but this has been the constitutional design and the practice. Presidents have POWERS that no other person on earth has. Period. The constitution is clear in this as well it is clear that they authority and power is also accompanied with a protection against liability. This does NOT mean the president is capable of murder or raping children (as one commenter supposed in an earlier exchange..no harm no foul…we are all here to exchange ideas…). No, the framers understood that while the president has king like powers, they can be checked…congress gets to decide that. impeachment. President Trump was “impeached” and acquitted BY CONGRESS (the senate) in this specific “allegation” of insurrection/aid to insurrection. That is done. It is over.
States do NOT have the power or the authority to impeach Presidents. Nor may states bring criminal charges to former presidents about conduct they are opposed to..or imagined and manufactured ‘crimes’.
If scotus fails to denounce colorado, then it has failed it’s oath. It will have committed a type of treason. If it supports colorado, then it will have signed its own death sentence. meaning, at any time forward, any state, any citizen may distort for any reason and manipulate compliant courts of any state to remove officers, judges, congress people, administrators, secretaries, cabinet officers, prosecutors, minor and major, officers, senior NCO’s with commanding officer status, flag officers, senior civilian/civil officers, directors, attorney generals, solicitors generals, governors and all the way down the food chain.
If you break protections of POTUS, you break the world.
Chief Justice Roberts understands what is at stake. He knows. They all know. Congress knows.
this case will be squashed.
President Trump will be on the ballot in Colorado and in every state.
WE WIN
God Bless America
Agreed on the case being squashed.
People seem to forget the corrupt intent of lawfare.
It’s not to win the case. It is to destroy the defendant by the PROCESS.
Smear the defendant. Try to sway poll numbers. But most importantly, drain them of resources and create distractions while the corrupt prosecutors do other dirty deeds.
yes, but lets also understand that lawfare wants to legal win. never forget what they want…the ability to engage the courts with manufactured theories about legal doctrine and to have the courts stand on those “arguments”.
lawfare is about power. they really do want to win these cases. I understand the point others make about the spectacle to poison minds and hearts, but that is only one part of the conspiracy. There IS a huge effort to push dodgy theories into the legal arena and win them.
we have already seen this….state election officials describing new election rules that should be governed by state legislature..but were not! So we understand the consequences of lawfare as a force to make “new law”.
they definitely want to win these cases. We can’t seem to register this, because the cases seems so incredibly shallow and utterly without merit. And that view, isn’t wrong, but it misunderstands the intention. We see these arguments as figments…lawfare sees them as a way to beat the door down…there is reason why they hammer at every angle.
A police officer has to “get it right, every single time”…the criminal only has to get it “right” once.
you can guess the mentality of lawfare when thinking about this axiom.
they are in fact, criminals.
God Bless America
Regitiger…..you are the book I always seek from the shelf.
One of our best.
yes he is
Well, let’s see what SCOTUS actually rules on whether impeachment and removal from office is the sole remedy for actual crimes committed while in office. My view is that is a bridge too far in the modern era of things like rendition, black sites, CIA child trafficking, and a black budget that has completely evaded congressional oversight.
I take the second clause of that section as better read as stating that a President who has been impeached and removed from office is still, even then, amenable to normal judicial processes for the underlying bribery or crime. In other words, it is not either or, it is this and also.
It’s an obscure and unclear area of the law. Thus the need for full briefings and an appellate court decision before SCOTUS gives its ultimate judgment as to what the Framers really intended.
” President who has been impeached and removed from office”
who, name one.?
Obviously, this is a case of first impression.
👏 👏 👏 👏 Perfect summary!
Screenshot being taken now!
The Hawaii Supreme Court just nullified the 2nd Amendment. Not a peep from the the professional GOP or even the voters or the US Supreme Court.
No one cares.
This case has flown below the radar.
It is the equivalent of firing on Ft. Sumter.
Constitutional crisis.
The Supreme Court will NOT let it stand.
Better hope so, otherwise you might as well take a paper cutter to our Constitution because the Experiment is over.
If the deep state succeeds in criminalizing the actions of a President while in office, resulting in a permanent crippling of an independent Executive Branch, the Judicial Branch will be the deep state’s next target.
The Supreme Court has one shot at this, at keeping the foundation of our Constitution intact, if they mess this up, the grand experiment has come to its conclusion.
I would like to think those people sitting on the Supreme Court, including that fool who doesn’t know what a woman is but sure likes to hear herself speak on and on while during oral arguments, will get this right and rule 9-o and end the whole lawfare tactics.
Bessie, I have sad news for you.
The DS built the DC courts to be a captured operation, and SCOTUS has been captured since at least the 1960’s.
From Chevron to eviscerating the 4th amendment to FISA, the evidence is such that you can be sure very few Justices have not had a leash around their necks.
There are a few exceptions (Justice Thomas).
Adopted kids crowd. Enough said.
But . . . Who holds their leashes these days?
“We caught them all” includes Roberts.
My view is that abortion / child sacrifice is so essential to the inner cult of the DS that Roe would never have been overturned except that some leash ownership changed hands.
Which means, I’m feeling quite comfy that the outcome here is going to be whatever the white hats want it to be, optics aside.
“Don’t throw me in the briar patch” said Bre’er Rabbit.
It seems to be a contest between “The Wise Latina” and Ms. “I Am Not A Biologist” on who can say so little by talking so much.
Note the language in the article: “criminal charges stemming from his bid to subvert the 2020 election.” He didn’t try to subvert anything. These “journalists” never miss an opportunity to malign Pres Trump.
They always do that. I like to have fun by reminding myself that the writer “claimed without evidence” that the President did something wrong.
kybeagle: Disgusting, isn’t it?
Exactly right. Election challenges are legal!
Did Gore try to “subvert” an election? Hmm?
How about JFK? How did he become president.
They are not “journalists”. They are “Special Services” propagandists.
Yup.
When it comes time to Thwart Your Local Derp State, your friendly neighborhood press is where you’ll find them.
also noting: for those of you wondering Pelosi chose to move a bill from the house to the senate in her final months before she was sent packing. This bill would “legally” establish that the Vice President of the United States, in the conduct of certifying elections as “president of the senate” would have no constitutional power other than purely ceremonial rubber stamping. I’ve written about this before as it was the AHA moment in my write up over j6 and the parliamentary misconduct and preceding manufactured crisis. Few know about the status of this bill. To be clear, this bill REMAINS in the senate. It has not been voted on. But understand what happens if this bill IS acted upon OR NOT.
think about what happened on J6 and what PENCE (edit for error) refused to do. Now understand the delimna facing congress if they actually make this in law…it means that kamala harris would not be able to pause the 2024 certification. She would have only rubber stamp power…ceremonial. See ? can you see it? just around the corner, focus. Why would the senate sit on this?
because congress expects to invoke constitutional power *president of the senate/VP Harris* to recognize challenges (as pence failed to do), on the floor to hear and to debate whether President Trump should be certified as President.
You think I am kidding…THIS WILL HAPPEN. IT IS PLAIN TO SEE.
congress WILL DO EVERYTHING IN ITS POWER TO REFUSE TO SEAT PRESIDENT TRUMP.
GET PREPARED.
January 6th will be a park walk by comparison.
I really do mean prepare yourself. this country is going sideways…it will happen suddenly and it will be tragic and horrible. But it will happen. This is stage 4 – transfer of power. Understand what this means. Fully understand what it means. Our generations has only spectated on stage 4 looking from the outside to other countries. We are about to have our own stage 4. Prepare yourself. Mentally, physically, emotionally, spiritually, economically. Be prepared.
Semper Paratus
God Bless America
so sorry to state that we concur with you 100% so well planned by our opposition but how can it be nullified?
I thought that change was already enacted?
Dave on X22 has been touting it as the perfect block to any Harris attempt to rule on Trump electoral votes for a couple of months now.
Wouldn’t they have had to vote on it during that session of con-gress, which expired January of 2023?
I agree.
However, do you NOT believe that President Trump, Senator Vance, along with many other MAGA Patriots are aware of this very issue and are plotting out their strategies, while keeping their mouths shut and their eye on their ultimate goal?
If we are not PRETENDING anymore, we understand totally what you’re putting down Regitiger. Semper Fi
Thank you for the reminder on what Nanzi Piglousi did with that proposed legislation. That slipped under my radar.
That would be racist!
Yet lawful.
Not if it’s only applied to his white half. /sarc
So glad that “our precious NORMS have been restored” per the #NeverTrump hard-on for Barack, Hillary, and now F. Joe Mugabe.
/sarc
Our Executive is not supposed to be a king, but due to the diffused power structure of the Articles of Confederation, the Founders astutely granted more power to the President so things could get accomplished.
Sundance is dead on, if any President can be criminally indicted, then the Executive Power is castrated. Why would anyone even want to be President, if that were the case?
Hilliary would.
She’s probably thrown all the precious china she stole at Bill since then, and needs to make a new raid…
My favorite part of the brief (pages 22 [last paragraph] to 23 [first paragraph]):
“American history abounds with examples of Presidents who were accused by political opponents of committing crimes through their official acts.” C.A. App.Br. 17. “These include, among many others, John Quincy Adams’ alleged ‘corrupt bargain’ in appointing Henry Clay as Secretary of State;4 President George W. Bush’s allegedly false claim to Congress that Saddam Hussein possessed stockpiles of ‘weapons of mass destruction,’ which led to war in which thousands were killed;5 and President Obama’s alleged authorization of a drone strike 23 that targeted and killed a U.S. citizen abroad (and his teenage son, also a U.S. citizen).6” Id. They also include, among many other examples, President Reagan’s alleged involvement in the Iran-Contra scandal,7 President Clinton’s last-minute pardon of fugitive financier Marc Rich,8 President Clinton’s repeated use of airstrikes in the Middle East in August and November 1998 in an alleged attempt to distract attention from the Monica Lewinsky scandal,9 President Biden’s egregious mismanagement of the United States’ border security, and President Biden’s alleged “material support for terrorism” through the funding of the UNRWA despite its documented history of direct support for terrorism.10
The President is checked only by Congress. If his behavior is so egregious that a deliberative body (*ahem*) such as that cannot abide it (for example, breaking the law), their option is to follow established procedure to remove him from office–if they have the numbers. Those numbers are a function of how egregious the matter is. A trifle, some may quibble. A major felony, most may act.
The alternative is a politicized (it IS a political objective, after all) prosecution and jury of 12, which is not representative of the NATION’s population and STATE representation in deciding to alter one third of the government body.
Thus, there is no way the Supreme Court could possibly rule that the President is subject to prosecution for acts in office.
The province is exclusively Congress’.
.
Sd?? Watch your 6,, your 3,,and your 9,, you stating truth here. Be careful…. Carry on
Expect to be disappointed.
“We do not have Obama judges”
John Glover Roberts Jr.
This precedence, like all lawfare, will only go one way.
The three judge Appeals Court decision was clearly flawed. The judges concluded that Presidential Immunity only applies to sitting Presidents not ones who have left office was wrong because sitting Presidents have absolute power to pardon anyone including themselves. That renders Presidential Immunity meaningless!
The 3 judge panel just got out maneuvered.
Janie Roberts will be ecstatic to throw this steaming pile of ca-ca back to the 11th circuit.
Anyone with the slightest knowledge of history knows that an INSURRECTION falls in the category of:
The American Revolution
The Russian Revolution
The Easter Rising -Ireland
From the movie Michael Collins the Easter Insurrection in Dublin actually was spread across Ireland…
The day Joe leaves office be ready and cuff him and indict him for numerous crimes. He beeter beg the High court to not declare Trump has immunity or he will be immediately taken down. This is how you play mutual assured destruction.
Don’t you mean Biden should beg the SCOTUS to declare Trump has immunity? If Trump doesn’t have immunity, neither does Biden.
Beware of Mitch McConnel and the Ides of March.
Let’s get ahead of these Democrat demonic monkeys. Why haven’t any Republican AGs brought charges for Obama drone killing an American?
Let’s go Republicans! Stop f’n around. They want it, bring it to them. In spades. Throat punch these mofos. Stop your pillow fight theatrics and ATTACK.
Do or die. The country is on the brink!
This ALL is in the hands of Yahweh, Almighty God. We know that we know that President Trump is NOT GUILTY in any of the prosecutions against him. This is pure evil against him and we the people. We are all praying continuously and our God hears each one. I keep having to remember–His will be done in His time, not ours.
God gave each of us a heart, a mind, and hands. A heart for compassion, a mind to think, and hands to do.
Demoncrats better watch out what the wish for!
My first guess was where the Truth Goes to Die – didn’t realize Polly-tic had gone that far into insanity.
“from his bid to subvert the 2020 election.”
PDJT never came anywhere close to trying to “subvert” the election. Note that the majority of MSM always heavily spice their stories – and almost always at the beginning to be sure its read – their propaganda to help beat it into the brains of the unthinking.
The fact of the matter is he was doing his job as the head of the executive branch, trying to ensure the Constitution had been followed and the people’s actual voices had been heard – and that the laws regarding elections had been followed. That is NOT subversion. Subversion is that which is done every single day by the media and the current administration and the DS.
(also note their choice to add the clause “three of whom he nominated” in an attempt to throw shade on their decision and/or apply psychological pressure on them to go against him. The should rename MSM “The Main Mind F*ers”)
The globalist technocrats are keeping a close eye on this. They are willing to do Anything to seize all power over humanity including releasing Pandemic X . These psychopaths broadcast their intent. If you have ever had the misfortune of being around technocrats you know how their hubris beyond comprehension. Trump stands in their way.
Too bad the three judge panel could not look past their bias, partisanship and hate towards President Trump.
The constitutional importance for immunity for any POTUS is obvious to all judges except those that suffer from TDS and/or are corruptly compromised by the deep state.
SCOTUS should make the immunity question go through en banc. Anything less will be looked upon as a lawfare judicial conspiracy, which it is.
“bid to subvert the 2020 election”
never happened.
Trump is being prosecuted for Biden’s crimes.
Any President could then be held liable and criminally liable for any action they take and for any law they sign while they were in office. Every former President would be bankrupt and in jail. Lawfare run-a-muck!
Love the reference in the brief to John Adams jailing his political opponents.
Top of the list, however, is the reference to Obama killing an American citizen.