French President Emmanuel Macron is reminding the European leaders of their responsibility to fund the multinational corporate war machine, especially if the United States doesn’t find a way to send $60 billion more in funding for the effort.
(Via Politico) – European countries must make bold and “innovative” decisions to help Ukraine even if the U.S. backs off from supporting Kyiv in the coming months, French President Emmanuel Macron said Tuesday.
[…] Europe must not delegate its security “to big powers, even if they are very good allies, because they live on the other side of the ocean,” he said.
Macron’s comments come as European nations grapple with the looming consequences of Donald Trump’s potential return to the White House, with the NATO-skeptic ex-president on track to win the Republican nomination. In the U.S., further military aid for Ukraine is also stalled in Congress, with Republican lawmakers reluctant to continue funding Kyiv. Ukraine has been fending off Russian President Vladimir Putin’s full-scale invasion for almost two years now.
“This is a decisive and testing moment for Europe. We must be ready to act to defend and support Ukraine whatever it takes and whatever America decides,” Macron said during a speech at Sweden’s Military Academy Karlberg.
Ahead of a key European summit this week focused on Ukraine, Macron also said the EU will have “to accelerate the scale” of its support, given that the costs “of a Russian victory are too high for all of us.”
EU leaders are hoping to agree on a €50 billion aid package for Ukraine at a European Council summit this Thursday, but fears are growing that Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán will use his veto to block the funds for Kyiv. (read more)
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Right…
EU got a troublemaker, tho
Eu Plotting To ‘Sabotage’ Hungarian Economy over Orbán’s Opposition to Ukraine Funding: Report
The European Union has reportedly drawn up a scheme to “sabotage” Hungary’s economy by attacking the country’s currency and access to capital markets over Prime Minister Viktor Orbán’s opposition to a further 50 billion euros in funding to Ukraine.
According to a report from the globalist Financial Times newspaper, a document produced by the EU Council — the agenda-setting federal body of the bloc — has laid out plans for Brussels to target the Hungarian Forint currency and scare off investors to “sabotage” the country’s economy in an unprecedented way.
The populist Hungarian leader has said that he plans to use his national veto power to block the funds, sparking outrage among globalist factions within the bloc that he would deign to use the democratic powers afforded to his country to oppose more funding for the war. There have even been suggestions of stripping away the national veto power within the EU to prevent further roadblocks to the neo-liberal agenda favoured by power players in Berlin, Brussels, and Paris.
Yes, I saw this earlier, and my thought is “Yes, cause it worked SO WELL when they tried it on Putin and Russia!” major sarc.
I hope Orban is able to not just defeat them, but to HUMILIATE THEM and reinforce a message that using a big club of economic sanctions backfires, and hurts the sanctioner, far more than the sanctioned…
as has happened with “Putins Russia”..
That would be justification for Hungary to leave the EU and join BRICS+
Why leave the EU & be forced into negotiating terms of surrender when you can get pushed out without surrendering anything?
We see the Dutch and Argentinians fed up with the BS. More world governments will fall in line once we align a clean up crew! The crowd “Down Under” seems ripe for the picking, as well as our neighbors to the north and south! We gotta start somewhere and the MAGA crowd now has a leader! Something the TEA Party did not! I’m convinced there are one helluva lot more of us than them! Our Heavenly Father works in mysterious ways! Prayers DO get answered!
22 million government employees in the US (D)
59 million small business owners in the US (R)
But the government employees have mega-powerful unions to keep them disciplines.
The rest of us have a loose coalition of MAGA and RINOs
Democrats are masters of divide and conquer. Hold fast team, we are on the right side.
Wasn’t that greasy haired lesbian Susan Powers over there stirring up shit too?
Samantha Powers = troublemaker.
Running more of her CIA fronted misinformation campaigns.
Why did Samantha Powers unmask hundreds of US citizens with FISA court orders in the dying days of the Obama administration. What did she do with that information?
Years later, multiple investigations of Obama deep state abuses, and we still do know why Samatha Powers did that.
Power is not a sister of Sappho, she is married to Cass Sunstein.
Does this need to be said?
Prime Minister Viktor Orbán didn’t kill himself.
France needs resources since it got kicked out of Africa.
Macron would do well to pay attention to his own house which is in flames, and those flames are spreading at the speed of necrotizing fasciitis into Germany and Belgium.
Niger might not be the only place he has been tossed out of…a merciful God willing.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/europe-erupts-widespread-farmer-protests-revolt-against-green-policies
I saw one report saying Macron had fled France, don’t know if it’s a fact or where he went, Davos maybe.
I believe he has…I did see where but at the moment I can’t remember.
Sort of like Abbott in India.
What did Africa do for France, that was worth the increased costs of maintaining overseas colonies in the dysfunctional third world and absorbing non-French immigrants at home?
Oil and lithium and other elements sought by tech.
China has practically colonized the whole continent for these things alone.
NOT one more penny to Ukraine
What about Hawaii and Ohio???
Who? They have long since forgotten them and could not possibly care less.
I saw that Biden is visiting the Ohio site on this mornings news.
No one’s talking about THEM anymore…..they’re all talking about Travis & Taylor Swift
no end the fed.
No one penny more to bail out the blue rat hole called California.
Good ZeroHedge article with the subtitle:
the war pig emerges, raising her snout to berate the US public whenever there’s rumor of withdrawal…
Nuland ‘Sets The Record Straight’ On US Forever Occupation Of Syria | ZeroHedge
That’s an insult to pigs!!!
My two pigs would be upset if I told them about it.
Why are so many ugly women war mongers?
Cause they have nothing better to do.,
Because they’re angry and can use war as an excuse to kill.
You’d think that killing the unborn would be enough.
50 million dead babies after to Roe v Wade makes Hilter look like a British game warden, in tweeds and jodpurs. .
More like 100 million. Just as they always cite 11 million illegals.
jaye…very wrong….50 millions(decade ago ???)…is now 65-70 millions at least jaye……
They’re in the Obama Cult, so it’s hard telling what they are.
Obama = Big Government Unions. Long the sole Democrat power base. Never overlook their reach and power.
We are paying for them – we are the sole source of their paychecks, perks and pensions. They treat us like garbage so it is time we withdraw our now mandated financial support for their continued shenanigans.
Why are so many ugly women democrats?
“Those women screaming for their right to abortion,…have you SEEN them,…who’d f*ck em, anyhow?” Andrew Dice Clay
or why are so many democrats ugly women?
one of life’s great mysteries.
Maybe a trait of alignment with the underworld?
OTOH why are only 10% of women among the most beautiful?
Show me the handsome male Democrats?
Schumer, Schiff, Nadler……
…do not forget …..Rastskin….
Getting hit with the ugly stick has left them bitter.
Instead of trying to improve themselves, they spend their lives exacting revenge on the rest of us.
why are so many ugly guys on the left? (Hehe)
Unions gonna union. Military industrial complex and their unions are a huge voting base, captured by Democrats.
I don’t comment on the appearances of other people generally, as I am no oil painting myself.
I saw a photo of Nuland when she was younger…
Pretty, bright eyed, sweet faced…
Evil changes faces like hers. A person like her who has sold her soul and delights in marinating in the misery and, yes, blood, of those in countries she wades through for the purposes of gaining power and control is fair game.
Evil has done a number on her.
Despicable woman.
Menopause was not kind to Victoria Nuland.
It is not kind to anyone. The body’s signal and preparation for death.
The EU needs WWIII so they can blame the war instead of their policies when they default on their debt and pensions.
Us too!
That`s the reason!
“When all else fails, they take you to war”, Gerald Celente.
It happens to be exactly true also. America, to the glee of Barack Obama and George Soros, is rapidly sliding into the sewer from their ongoing efforts, yet our politicians were so corrupted, blackmailed or greedy; they did nothing. Now that almost EVERYBODY knows America is in great risks of failing, they want these same politicians to “do something”. Now that we have ABSOLUTELY sealed the relationship between Russia and China to our exclusion, watch what the Russians do with their nuclear powered ice breaker fleet and Arctic oil discoveries. Trump was exactly right but the old WWII a hatreds of the geezers and war-mongers won out. In about 10 years, Americans won’t be able to afford NOTHING, be cold and hungry and just might be eating bugs, thanks not to Schwab but the US Kongress!
Barack and George need to take Bill Gates to the sewer with them.
It’s becoming clearer every day that our governments are counting on ww3 to bail them out. This sucks
“to accelerate the scale” of its support, given that the costs “of a Russian victory are too high for all of us”.
Go ahead, knock yourselves financially out but I think the costs of putting Russia in a position of defeat are too high for all of us.
The war between Russia and Ukraine is a meat grinder for the men on the front lines. … Our leaders in all countries need to serve on the front. Maybe, they wouldn’t start banging the war drums so often. [Unless they were lunatics, which seems to common now.]
Some call this Globullism “neo-feudalism”, but at least during the original feudal times, the King led his forces into battle.
A battlefield has a way of straightening people out! Saw it in Vietnam. War is Hell and Life’s a bitch! We (USA) kinda lost sight of that with the volunteer military.
Dont worry the Draft will be returning soon. Our young will be once again be forced to fight. Israel is calling.
Zzzzzz….
Fighting against Russia would be 20 times harder than Afghanistan. Just look how the whole western world threw everything they had at Russia and the result is that Russia is still incrementally winning. Slowly and steadily despite all the money and war gear in the world.
Get your Euro’s ready…cause WE’RE BROKE!!!
The problem is that Europe is also broke. China is in deep trouble and only Russia seems to be doing well. The world is upside down.
Kinda like Prime Time for a Trump, no?
maroon needs to draft all the muslims in france and send them. tell them putin is an infidel.
Reddit is a vile leftist website
Dude it just occurred to me what happened – Reddit is flooded with gov shills and bots and that’s why you can’t deviate from the consensus narrative without a hundred people coming down on you.
“Reddit is a vile leftist website”
So you never read “The Donald” when it was active on Reddit? It was very pro-Trump.
They got booted, didn’t they? Maybe because it was a vile leftist website. I still peruse The Donald on Score and they complain about reddit mods constantly.
They have turned everything upside down.
and we all noticed that it got taken off.
NO MORE !
NEVER, NEVER AGAIN
MAGA
HERE WE COME WOLVERINES
“……….reminding the European leaders of their responsibility to fund the multinational corporate war machine, especially if the United States doesn’t find a way to send $60 billion more in funding for the effort.”
Tell me you’re expecting Trump to win the 2024 election without telling me you’re expecting Trump to win the 2024 election.
A former comedian needing a new sugar daddy for weapons and cash.
Pure trash.
And another new mansion or two.
Preferring one not located in a war torn area.
I identify as a gazillionair. Show me the money!
“Macron is reminding the European leaders of their responsibility to fund the multinational corporate war machine, especially if the United States doesn’t find a way to send $60 billion more in funding for the effort.”
Let’s word that in a more truthful manner.
“Macron is reminding the European leaders of their need to steal vast sums from their citizens in order to fund the corporate (including bankers and other elitists) money making machine, especially if they can’t coerce the American taxpayers to have the next 3 generations of their family to be debt slaves in their place and further weaken their nation.”
Macron doesn’t know that most of us are rooting for Russia! LOL. Russia is the America of 50 years ago!
I would say less rooting for Russia, and more rooting for the downfall of the war mongers in the US and EU government and intelligence services who started this conflict.
If Russia is America 50 years ago then we SHOULD root for them.
AMEN!
It’s truly amazing, just how much of an impact, the real President Trump has on the world stage. He even has european nations, looking for their xanax.
And that is the Reason why Obama and the other globalists are so very afraid of President Donald John Trump.
They know that he knows and he is not afraid of the globalists because they are bereft of any substance and built on a pile of BS!
“… Putin’s full-scale invasion …? If this had been a Russian “full-scale invasion” it would have been over a year and a half ago. If this was a full scale invasion it would be more like Operation Barbarossa. This is more on the scale of the Nazi invasion of Denmark and Norway.
Nah I do believe Russia is spent – they put it all out there save the bare minimum needed to defend the country from a separate attack. They are still making money and their economy appears solid so they can keep going indefinitely , unlike the tattered Ukraine.
War would have been over in a week if they went in like we did in Iraq.
The likes of Stormin’ Norman Schwarzkopf do not exist in today’s military. Worldwide.
The Military Industrial Complex cannot allow quick, decisive wins in any theatre. Their business model says so.
Russia is not “spent”.
Their military munitions plants are running full-steam with plenty of inventory.
They are bleeding NATO and the Ukrainian military dry, while forcing the U.S. to go further into bankruptcy with our “funding” to Zelenzky.
the by-den geezer wants to drain us dry and put half of it in his coffin because he won’t live long enough to spend it all. Greedy bastard.
Not one penny more until Zelenski is gone.
On the other hand, it might be worth a few bucks to never see this little green excuse for a leader again anywhere.
They can’t get rid of him. He’s making too much money from US (the US) As long as the war continues, he won’t let them have an election.
Soon he’ll beat up school kids for their lunch money.
If not already…
Macron is taxing the French Farmers so The French/EU Union can afford to pay Ukrainian farmers for their produce.
French whine to complement the hoarded
Swissleft bank cheese.A second call for “let them eat cake” while they dine on eels and snails? First call didn’t end well.
Enjoy your farmers Macron. They’re gonna give you and the World a much needed lesson!
While the farmers in France dump manure on the streets of Paris and block the main roads after slipping through rural roads to avoid the barricades that Macron raised to try to keep them open.
This is another evil elite who sees that the defeat of NATO is his own defeat and that of that once-vaunted European “garden” by the belittled “jungles” outside….following the feckless and reckless US and WEF corporatists into destruction of his own people.
Traditionally the gutter/sewers all ran through the middle of European streets so they’re just returning to their heritage.
Love it
The EU is like a snot nosed kid who keeps throwing rocks at a dog but then retreats behind a bigger boy when the dog reacts. This time the bigger boy wandered off while the little kid goaded the dog. Where will he run to now?
It would be interesting to see the EU have to come up with funds the US sugar daddy didn’t provide. Then they would know how we feel as they don’t fulfill their obligations to support NATO, a largely European pact. Paybacks are hell, aren’t they?
EU is obligated to support a non-NATO country why? Has anyone thought of negotiating a peace? Maybe sticking to the deal where Ukraine would NOT become a NATO country?
They don’t have it – there’s no way they have $50 billion to spend. The people will revolt.
no govt anywhere has money to spend. it has to counterfeit it first or steal it from its people, which is pretty much the same thing in the end.
I’d like to know where all of that money has gone, and is going. And no, we can’t do this indefinately, I don’t care what foolish promises the Clinton regime made.
Let’s ask the pentagon to perform an audit of this money!
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/pentagon-fails-audit-sixth-year-row-2023-11-16/
Oh wait..
Hey Macron! => Sunk cost fallacy
The sunk cost fallacy is the improper mindset a company or individual may have when working through a decision. This fallacy is based on the premise that committing to the current plan is justified because resources have already been committed. This mistake may result in improper long-term strategic planning decisions based on short-term committed costs.
Throwin’ good money after bad
The Bible says it like this, make sure when you want to go to war you can defeat your enemy unless your enemy defeat you and you look like a fool. This is paraphrased of course.
Will someone please tell the tiny green poor excuse for a President to beggar off (as the English say) and find some other low-intelligence country to harass for money.
Bugger off 🫢
Actually, while the english do say “bugger off”, in this context “beggar off” kind of fits,…too, lol!
[…given that the costs “of a Russian victory are too high for all of us.”]
Exactly, WHAT is the actual “cost” of a Russian victory???
Have ANY of them actually ASKED Putin what “cost” he would demand, for a cessation of hostilities?
Cause really need to know that, in order to make such an assertion…
Actually, I am pretty sure Putin already clarified the goals for the Special Operation, and they don’t really seem to high for western europe to live with.
He told the entire world what the goals were, February two years ago, and they haven’t changed.
Macron must need more money. Another deposit into the coffers. Don’t worry, all this grandstanding will pay off, USA will find the dough, they always do.
How many dead Ukrainian troops are enough?
All of them for globalists’ profits.
You mean civilians? The troops themselves were wasted long ago. Average age of a Ukrainian troop is 40 something years old. I’ve never heard of such desperation.
Ukraine Corps or Ukraine Corpse?
Looks like they’ve conceded victory to trump as an inevitability, and they’re now looking long term to a hopeful turn back to the establishment in four years. There’s gonna be some pissed off europeans – idk how they plan to getaway with $50 billion being abjectly flushed down the drain, but it will be fun to watch.
If PDJT picks up where he
left off, when Covid hit he
was about to level the trade “playing field” that the EU has been using to screw America for 30 years.
They have huge tariffs on our products, as well as outright trade barriers while WE let theirs in with minimal restrictions…along with their underfunding NATO, this trade imbalance is how they were able to fund such generous social safety net programs, have excellent infrastructure, etc.
So, if they really are resigned to PDJT reentering the Oval, they have a lot more than just continueing to fund Uke war with Russia to be concerned about.
Balance trade and the EU can no longer afford to be so generous with its citisenry, but they are called “ENTITLEMENTS” because once a Govt starts handing them out, the citisens feel they are ENTITLED, and don’t accept the Giverment taking them back.
Can you say “Bye bye EU”?
–“that the EU has been using to screw America for 30 years.”–
I count 76 years as of April 3rd. That is when the Marshall Plan went into affect in 1948.
Didn’t any of these moronic ‘leaders’ see what Russia did to Hitler’s Third Reich?
And “Victory Day” is their most important and somber national holiday. Everyone brings black-and-white pictures of someone they lost … to the Nazis. Their “ghost army.”
What good will the money do for Ukraine when neither Europe or the US has any ammunition left to send them? There is none left to buy. The Russians have already won the war. The Ukrainian military has been almost totally destroyed with reports of a half million dead. There is absolutely NOTHING that either the US or Europe can do about it. It’s over!
You are my last refuge tonight but that’s a good thing. My thought’s on Ukraine were set in stone so to speak after watching Roger Stone’s “Ukraine on Fire” and the story below.
My former classmate in grad school joined the Peace Corps back in the “80’s. His father, Reverend J and I were friends. The Peace Corp wanted to send his son to the Ukraine. Reverend J whose story of escaping Hungary is too long to post here, but he called me and begged me to stop my friend to not go into Ukraine. At that time he said to me “they will kill him to get his blue jeans .” My friend did not go there.
The war in Ukraine became personal a long time ago. Its a crock of shit money laundering machine gone full Jackal. I can’t wait to see what happens to Nuland. Can’t remember a WAR that she didn’t LOVE.
Trailer – Ukraine on Fire worth watching:
It`s excellent!
Let the EU pish their money out the window if they want, not one more red cent from America. Email, yo. They have dimplemats and those people know how to talk with russia to negotiate treaties and stuff, and if they don’t they need to figure it out. Zelensky is a crook and a ripoff artist.
Fake War
I recall them saying that a part of the aid package from the U.S., is payroll for the Uke buerocrats, WE are paying the SALARIES of everyone from Zalenski down to the lowest clerk…although I don’t recall anyone trying to explain exactly WHY?
So, IF the U.S. actually stops picking up that particular tab,….is the EU going to?
I’m thinking it was $60 million/month, but my memory could be wrong…
Bingo. Ukie is a zombie govt. We are paying for pensions even. Drop that cash flow, and the pimp Z gets a bullet instantly and the war ends.
Macron can have Ukraine.
NATO General Secretary Goes Rogue – Says “No Threat of Russian Expansion Beyond Ukraine” from ConservativeTreehousedotcom. 91,000 NATO troops doing war games, USA sending nuclear weapons Britain even thought they have them deployed in Germany and other NATO countries already, Macron’s call for support against Russia, etc. is a scam to cow everyone so they can accumulate more power and siphon off more tax monies. If there ever was a war between NATO and Russia, it wouldn’t last long enough to make the newspapers. Warmongers are evil.
A truly defensive alliance wants “neutral buffers” between itself and its purported enemy – not to be adjacent to it on as many sides as it can reach. The only reason to do this is to prepare for offense.
But, Russia is now demonstrating that this idea is not a good one. USA/EU/NATO gave up its general industrial power, choosing instead to “outsource” everything, but Russia did not. For this reason, Russia can entertain the prospect of “a Real war,” and USA/EU/NATO cannot. America’s “Arsenal of Democracy” is long gone.
Eff those crap weasels! Start looking into charges against them! Start at POTUS Biden on down! Especially Jack Smith and Hillary Clinton! Get a real Special Prosecutor and get them all! The money laundromat is shut down! Get our Sundance on board to create direction! Time to clean house and start anew! Share the wealth, including the Kenyan. Make sure their kind never has a chance to be reborn! Start naming names so Americans can clean house together! This took decades to get to this point, so it will take many decades to clean up! Rip apart that elephant and replace it with the Lion! Cutesy time is over! Don’t let retirements go scot-free! This can’t be a 4 years and it’s over kind of thing! Heads, and lots of them, gotta roll!
We need to recall/”no-confidence vote these RINO whores. We also need to prosecute Those who sell out the Country in exchange for a paycheck after their government gig.
Kindly notice that the only thing that any of these people ever talk about is: “M-O-N-E-Y.” People only talk this way when they know where “all that money” is really going.
Their rhetoric also reveals that they learned nothing from what Putin said that February day: “demilitarize” and “deNAZIfy.” Russia did not “launch a full-scale invasion,” although they could have and still could. Instead, they set up a meat grinder and slowly turned the crank. They are going to grind down the military capability, not only of Ukraine, but also all of NATO. Which threw every wunderwaffen they had into the contest, and all of it burns well.
And, they will never permit a “Nazi” state to exist along their border. Those “Nazis” are real.
Waste all of the French money you want Macron, just stop asking We the People to continue wasting ours. Not another bloody dime to the zelensky scam.
What fashion house is Macron’s sweatshirt from in the picture? Is that the new “serious war president” look?
I’m amazed how little coverage there is of the Dutch, German, Belgian, Spanish, protests and French borderline riots are getting anywhere including most US independent sources.
it’s pretty serious and huge, the French farmers are pumping sewage all over government buildings in addition to blockades fires and general mayhem- there are some videos on utube
Macron is a WEF puppet, but he does serve as a useful windvane for us, showing us that the globalists see their construct in jeopardy. Plus, they have nobody of stature to speak for them, obviously.
Hurrah Viktor! F these Crap Weasels, Nuland, Blinken & Sullivan
Macron is a weasel of the first order. He sent the Foreign Legion to Ukraine to, among other things, carry our covert missions inside Russia. He said these operatives were mercenaries but that is not likely, see the credentials of some of the people who were killed. Then he lied about it. Of course when you lie to Putin he usually responds these days. So the gloves came off and the Legion lost a lot of soldiers and officers via Iskander missiles.
There are reports that Putin was quite incensed that the French had sent in the Legion when the general understanding was that no official NATO personnel would take part in the conflict especially on Russian soil. So when officers and soldiers as well as other French officials arrived in Kharkiv to sort out the bodies another Iskander missile or three arrived to kill many of those people as well.
It seems the Russians are demonstrating that if NATO wants to play dirty then the Russians can do so as well.
Sounds good to me. Frankly, the whole kerfuffle should have been a purely European matter. We do not have a dog in this fight. Unfortunately, though, we established the conditions that made it happen.
I’m ignorant about Ukraine compared to other “issues”–I know it needs to be kept going because it’s a handy place for money laundering and because a lot of “important people” are tied up there — and because it’s a globalist center of money laundering and globalism.
But I just don’t understand why it’s so important to keep giving it billions and billions. Until I read this, I thought it was so America could be taken down in order for globalism to work. But now I see this about europe taking over if America does not continue “giving”– so it’s NOT just to destroy our middle class. ?????
I don’t understand what the end-game is here for western nations, and haven’t since Russian tanks rolled across Ukraine’s border after being provoked by NATO.
What’s the end goal? I don’t think this is just about laundering money or financing corporate war machines, although that’s certainly a benefit.
There’s a ubiquitous desperation here among all western nations that belies an underpinning of something bigger than greed or personal gain and it was obvious from the start Ukraine couldn’t defeat Russia militarily, and they know that.
So what gives?
The neocons and their rulers thought that their proxies, supplied by the West, would win easily against the Russians. They also thought that Putin would be driven from office and a coup, similar to Maidan, would eventually give Russia over to Western control as was happening under Gorbachev and Yeltsin.
Clown World deludes itself. It is high on its’ own supply.
Froggies, it is not our war. It is your war.