I hate to be captain obvious again, but maybe people have not noticed this story. Something isn’t right and just doesn’t add up. The events took place last Thursday, the comments by National Security Council spokesman John Kirby are today.
Look at the contrast between what U.S. Central Command put out -vs- the first AP report on the same incident.
Now look at the AP FIRST NOTICE reporting:
Two U.S. Navy SEALs are missing after conducting a nighttime boarding mission Thursday off the coast of Somalia, according to three U.S. officials.
The SEALs were on an interdiction mission, climbing up a vessel when one got knocked off by high waves. Under their protocol, when one SEAL is overtaken the next jumps in after them.
Both SEALs are still missing. A search and rescue mission is underway and the waters in the Gulf of Aden, where they were operating, are warm, two of the U.S. officials said. (read more)
We are supposed to believe that two naval special force operators, Navy SEALS, doing a ship-to-ship transfer, fully kitted, fell into the water, suddenly disappeared and could not be located in the two days between the CentCom announcement (Jan 11) and the AP report (Jan 13).
Eh… nope. Sketchy!
So, here’s National Security Council spokesman John Kirby today. WATCH:
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Notice the emphasis on…. “The mission was not related to Operation Prosperity Guardian, the ongoing U.S. and international mission to provide protection to commercial vessels in the Red Sea, or the retaliatory strikes that the United States and the United Kingdom have conducted in Yemen over the past two days.”…
Sorry, but when you spend so much time telling me what it is not, I suspect it is exactly what you say it isn’t.
So, my non-pretending Occam’s razor takeaway:
They lie. They have to lie. They always lie. It’s what they do. Its who they are.
They don’t care if they lie because they get away with it. They suffer no consequences…..ever.
Not yet
The consequences will come “slowly at first, then all at once.”
Did not mean to flag. Sorry admin and CCV!
No worries, takes a good number of flaggings before it comes to Admin’s attention.
In fact, you are the only one that can see that flagging at the moment, not even CCV can.
So my policy is to quietly tiptoe away with none the wiser . . .
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Why did the military release the info at all?
If you are doing special ops you tend not to blare your successes, let alone your failures.
Keep everyone guessing, and filling their drawers in fear.
I’m a former Army officer, and I had some brown-noser and dunce leaders, so I see where this kind of idiocy in the higher ranks (info release, even as a poor deception effort) might have led to the release.
Sundance is probably close to the truth …. or even worse, they survived, only to be captured by Mos lems.
If so, we’ll see them on Al Gorezeera real soon.
We have no military.
Why tell the truth when a lie will do as well.
Small lies bring on bigger lies, which in turn bring on even bigger lies, which bring on still bigger lies and so on ad infinitum.
They don’t know how to tell the truth.
Like all the US military personnel killed in Alaska aircraft/helicopter crashes.
Still haven’t heard from Lloyd Austin, eh?
Costco called him back
Supposedly: White House National Security spokesman John Kirby on Sunday said U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin’s doctors think he may need additional care.
“We’ll see, you know, when he can be released, but obviously they still feel like he may need some additional care. … Part of that is just physical therapy,” Kirby told CBS’s “Face the Nation.”
Quite a change from “an elective procedure that had complications” eh?
Are they going to rename him Steve Austin by the time he’s released?
Lol, they need more time to work up the body double…
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This situation has gone long past $6 million dollars . . .
Stone cold.
Hiring “Stone Cold” and bringing him out in blackface, would unironically be the best thing they could do.
I’m thinking of an earlier Steve Austin.
They rebuilt him, made him faster, stronger, and very expensive.
Right?
Soon it will be he “passed” away from complications.
PT for a UTI? Maybe someone that also had undisclosed ‘stroke like’ symptoms while septic? Granted, an elder on bedrest for an extended time period may need PT to get jump started.
There is something far worse happening here. Kerry steps down and Austin is silent. Nothing happens in a vacuum without cause.
I had radical prostate cancer surgery and believe me when I say…nobody is getting near you for physical therapy!!!
Me too and absolutely. I’m not as obese but 7 years older at time of op a year ago. Here in the UK its 6 weeks before PT gets involved and it is mainly all about pelvic floor exercises.
Part of his problem may be all his internal organs have shifted. This is due to the bodies position during the op with the legs in the air and ones groin pointing upwards, the body then being pumped with gas. This is all about making as much room as possible around the prostate for the surgeon/robot too operate within. This, as you can imagine, can cause all kinds of issues post op like his stomach (small intestine) problem.
In my case, 12 months later, I am still not back to normal lung capacity.
The last thing he needs is any stress caused by the semi war footing the US is on currently. He doesn’t strike me as a man who would lay down his life for the country. WTF doesn’t he bail out on health grounds? Does someone hold his ‘naughty boy’ file over him?
Additional care and physical therapy? Is he talking Kegels?
Additional embalming is what they meant by care.
Agree 100%. Maybe they were killed by Chinese “sailors.”
There have been plenty of rumors over the years about illicit off-shore ship-to-ship transfers of various “contraband” items involving Iran, China and various terrorist/pirates/insurgent groups.
I’m an elderly grandma, not a Navy Seal, but does it make sense for the one guy who knows his compadre has fallen over to jump in after him?
That seems weird to me.
Then again just because Lassie never jumped in after Timmy and instead ran for help, doesn’t mean Navy Seals do the same.
One might suppose that an American military institution as old as the US Navy understands why they have protocols in place to save the lives of men lost overboard.
What I am saying is, how do we know that is the protocol?
I’m not taking Kirby’s word for it.
I hear you.
As a retired military man myself, Airedale persuasion, it seems entirely credible to me that such a policy exists, a man that has fallen might be injured or incapacitated, the man that follows him surely enters the water in a fashion meant to avoid sharing said injuries so that he can save him.
I don’t doubt the policy, I doubt the event ever occurred.
Gotcha! That makes sense. The guy jumping in would presumably have his wits about him and the communication gear to get help.
Yep.
They are extraordinarily well trained, this event actually makes so little sense as all the resources needed to mount a search were already on hand in terms of personnel and equipment, simply by virtue of the naval vessel conducting interdiction and boarding operations.
No way this makes sense without first activating SOS procedures and resources with the kits they are equipped with (that is if they are properly equipped); before following the injured, incapacitated shipmate for such events.
If this event did not occur what then is this trickery?
A story to hide the true cause of death in other circumstances they wish not to reveal.
I could spit!
Thinking of their families
Exactly!!
SOS is a “save our ship” protocol, not man overboard.
And we don’t know if they were on a ship.
Many SEAL operations are conducted out of speed boats.
Those boats would have approached the vessel, attached itself to the side and boarding procedures would have commenced.
Had one fell off the side of the shop on question, the protocol would have been for someone in that boat to go in the water to retrieve, particularly if that sailor was suspected of being injured or unconscious, and or weighted down with equipment that could drown him even with life saving vests, even if this story is true.
Just stop because you apparently don’t know what you’re saying.
“And we don’t know” says it all. SOS is a Morse Code distress signal.
The phrases “save our souls” and “save our ship” came later, through popular use outside of marine communication.
And the first vessel to ever issue an S.O.S. was…?
…RMS Titanic.
SOS is the method – by wireless telegraphy – “S. O. S.” (Send out Succor)
1912
Titanic SOS messages: The last wireless messages: CQD & SOS
In 1912, one might have said that if marine wireless communication was no longer in its infancy, it certainly wasn’t very far into adolescence. Rival wireless companies from different countries often refused to relay each other’s messages (except for emergency situations), and international standards for such important matters as ship identification and distress signals had not been enacted. A 1906 International Conference on Wireless Communication at Sea held in Berlin attempted to sort out some of these issues, including the standardization of the call letters to be used by ships in distress.
At the time, British wireless operators generally used the call letters CQD as a distress signal: CQ representing the general call for other ships in the area (i.e., “seek you”), with a D added at the end to signify “danger” (followed by the latitude and longitude of the ship in distress). The Germans disliked this method and countered by proposing SOE, but this offering was rejected because the final E (represented by a single dot in Morse code) could too easily be lost in transmission.
The solution the conference finally settled upon was the signal SOS, its dot-dot-dot-dash-dash-dash-dot-dot-dot forming a distinctive pattern that even novice wireless operators could easily recognize and transmit.
Contrary to persistent belief, the letters SOS were chosen simply due their ease of transmission, not because they represented “save our ship,” “save our souls,” or any other phrase. As an account of the time noted, “The combination of letters have no especial significance except that they are easy to sound and click out strong and easily read.” (In any case, an international conference held in Berlin and featuring representatives of several different European nations was unlikely to have opted for a distress call that abbreviated a phrase significant only to English-speaking mariners.)
Great Britain and several other nations had voted to adopt the Berlin conference’s proposals by 1908, but wireless operators on British ships largely ignored them. Thus when the Titanic struck an iceberg and started to sink in April 1912, Jack Phillips began transmitting the older CQD distress signal to other ships in the area.
The Titanic’s junior wireless operator, it was not until he jokingly suggested “Send SOS; it’s the new call, and this may be your last chance to send it!” that Phillips began to intersperse SOS with the traditional CQD call. Although SOS may have been a “new call” to British wireless operators in 1912 because they had not previously been using it, SOS was far from “new” in an overall sense — it had been proposed, adopted, and used by other ships years before the Titanic sank.
An article published in the New York Times in February 1910 (if you look it up) – more than two years prior to the Titanic disaster, detailed the origins and uses of SOS as a distress call, and in the pages of that newspaper one can find several examples of ships’ employing the SOS call that antedate the 14 April 1912 sinking of the Titanic.
On 11 August 1909, the steamship Arapahoe, plying a route between New York and Jacksonville, Florida (by way of Charleston), broke a shaft and began drifting off the North Carolina coast. Help was summoned via an SOS call:
The first news that the vessel had met with an accident came to the United Wireless station at Hatteras when P. B. Haubner, the wireless operator on board, began sending out “S.O.S.,” the United Wireless Company’s signal of distress. The shore station soon got into communication with the disabled vessel, and in response came a message stating that the Arapahoe had broken her tail shaft.
The United Wireless Company explained last night that “S.O.S.” was really the signal for help, and that it was the one adopted by the International Wireless Congress held in Berlin in 1906. The company disowned the now famous sea call “C.Q.D.”
On 3 December 1911, the U.S. naval collier Sterling collided with the coal steamer Dorothy off the coast of Virginia. The Sterling’s captain ordered the summoning of aid with an SOS call but managed to safely run his ship ashore just west of Cape Henry:
A majority of the men on the Sterling were asleep when the accident occurred. They were hurled with great force from their bunks or hammocks. Consternation reigned for a second, but Capt. Edward V. Keene was quick to grasp the situation. Recognizing that the ship would sink, despite the efforts of the pumps, he had the “S.O.S.” signal flashed out by the wireless operator, and ordered the vessel headed for the beach, nearly two miles away. In was the only chance of saving the vessel and the men aboard. It was a race for a few minutes, as the vessel was rapidly settling.
The revenue cutter Onondaga, the battleships in the Roads, and the naval tugs Mohawk, Hercules, Wahneta, and other steamers in the vicinity promptly answered the calls for aid and stood by the stranded ship until daylight. The life-saving crews from the Cape Henry and Virginia Beach stations were also rushed to the scene, but their services were not needed.
On 9 April 1912, a fire broke out in the hold of the coastwise liner Ontario while the ship was en route from Baltimore to Boston in heavy seas, but the crew stuck to their posts and battled the flames until the ship was safely beached on the Long Island coast near Montauk. The Ontario’s passengers were never in any real danger, though, because numerous tugs and cutters summoned by the ship’s SOS call were standing by to ferry them off the burning vessel:
Hubert Ingalls, a wireless operator, still in his teens, whose home is in Lynn, Mass., stood by his key flashing the signal “S.O.S.,” the wireless call for help, until the flames reached the wireless house, with the result that the intense heat to which the apparatus was subjected rendered it useless. The wireless room was black with smoke for fully fifteen minutes before Ingalls left it, but he stuck to his post as long as the instrument worked and even then protested against leaving, hoping against hope that something would happen to put his key in commission again.
The crew chopped great holes through the deck, and into these tons of water were pumped on the flames, but, fight as they would, the fire gained headway, and Capt. Bond soon realized that he would have to beach his ship.
In the meantime, Ingalls, the wireless lad, was sending out the “S.O.S.” signals for help. His little wireless hut on the deck was almost directly over the burning part of the ship, and life within it was almost unbearable. But that had no effect on Ingalls. At intervals of a few seconds the signal for assistance was repeated. The first station to hear the call was Point Judith, the message the Point Judith man received being, “Ontario, big fire below,” and then followed the vessel’s position.
Within an hour after the “S.O.S.” was received relief was on the way to the Ontario. Tugs went out from New London, while every revenue cutter that could be reached immediately on receipt of the news steamed for Montauk Point. The derelict destroyer Seneca from New York also got word, and she, too, headed for Montauk . . .
The Titanic’s sinking may have marked the turning point after which everyone (including the British) finally adopted SOS as the primary distress call of the seas, but it was by no means the occasion of “the first SOS in history”: Ships had been using the SOS distress signal for at least three years prior to the Titanic’s fateful voyage in April 1912.
It’s definitely not the protocol the Seals have trained with for decades now.
When the Lone Ranger fell off a cliff, Tonto didn’t jump off the cliff too, he threw him a rope and Silver pulled him up.
These were USA SEALS. Not a movie or TV show. How about some respect…
Oh no, another lecturing nanny virtue signaler!
Soit genti.
I promise 😍
Triggered?
At least I can distinguish between Tonto,The lone Ranger and 2 perished American Patriots. What have you done for your country lately?
That is never something to contemplate in the first place. The first rule at sea when attempting rescue for man overboard is not to do this! And to say this is the Navy Seals’ protocol is an outright outrageous lie!
No it’s not. This is not a typical ‘rule at sea’ protocol.
All special ops units train to work together, stick together and look out for each other.
And a core value of the military in general is the ‘buddy system’ and never leaving anyone behind.
Which is “a typical ‘rule at sea’ protocol”when you say no it’s not. I know the work together, stick together and look out for each other, never leaving anyone behind.
Please detail procedures for land, air, sea?
but you cant save someone else if you put yourself at total risk.
Best comment.
This former Army SF soldier will tell you that you that I would not 2nd guess that detail without further information.
What is done, or not done, is highly situational dependent and we simply don’t have the data.
Allow me to expound on that.
Part of what makes a special operator “special” is a proven ability to assess a situation and the contingencies, and select the proper action on the fly.
But always at the top of the list of priorities is achieving the intermediate objectives alto accomplish the mission. Some objectives are absolutely imperative to mission accomplishment. Failure to achieve a critical objective, especially early on, can make aborting the mission the only rational choice.
18 series. Cool.
Glad you’re here!
8 1/2 years team time. 18D4HW primary.
Wow. Impressive.
You guys were/are better than most doctors I’ve known.
Went to DLI (SF when it existed) many moons ago with a few 18 series guys. My favorite one was a friend while I was there that was a medic. Damn smart guy.
Pulled TDY a few times with 7th in Central America back in the 80s. Always thought you guys were never given enough credit compared to other “units.”
But I suppose most of y’all liked it that way.
Always admired all of them.
Outside of Delta and that ‘bunch’ up at INSCOM that they kept changing the name, y’all were the best. And those CCT guys in the AF.
Yes, the other man would have gone in after his team mate. No man left behind.
Lying is ALL they ever do!
To them a lie is truth. These word smiths have no shame.
I hope history corrects the true causes of loss of life of the very many reported killed in training accidents that began once the US provoked the Ukrainian war, and, it surely appears, of these two men lost near Yemen but definitely not related to Yemen…
Our military deserve better than this, but they’ve been played for pawns as long as there’s been a military it seems.
Like my uncle
Did your family ever get resolution in terms of understanding what transpired?
It’s a source of anguish for me. But no. Thanks for asking.
I tend to think this is true. Especially looking at the Albanian/Kosovo war connections.
OPIUM’ REAL REASON FOR AFGHANISTAN WAR: Why Pat Tillman Was Killed / CIA Suiciding US Soldiers Overseas For Bankers
https://boydenreport.com/2021/05/02/13850/
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Sorry to hear this
Been going on longer than Ukraine.
Honduras and El Salvador during Iran Contra days.
All kinds of training accidents. You know like the kind where Purple Hearts and Bronze Star medals (maybe a Silver Star or two) are awarded but no NDM nor campaign or expeditionary ribbons created, authorized or distributed. Only unrecognized campaign in last century.
If they did that, they would have to admit we were in armed conflict and the DS violated Congress denying funding and Reagan’s orders not to engage.
You know kinda like ever since.
Cannon fodder to make the politicians rich.
All they do is lie, cheat and steal…it’s pathetic…
Dear Lord I’m soo weary of being lied to(gaslighted)by the bloated-bureaucracy gangsters masquerading as our leaders.
Lying Liars lie.
My heart goes out to their families who may never know the truth.
I will continue to pray for their safe rescue but it doesn’t sound good.
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Jesus, Brother, Please Shepard these two According to the Will of Our Father.
They may be hostages for all we know. Captors would know, or soon figure out, the bargaining chip that would be . . .
Oh Heavens, that hadn’t occurred to me, I surely hope not, what a travesty it would be to see proof of life being suppressed in order to cover up their cover up?
John McCain would surely approve though.
I must say, as far as marionettes go, Spanky is quite animated.
Wonder how long before he is called upon to exercise his verklempt skillz?
😅😂😅
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My first guess was they were trying to retrieve Austin’s sorry dead ass somewhere in Ukraine, but you’re probably right.
Or trying to rescue a downed pilot that hasn’t been reported from those air strikes in Yemen.
He’s the newest Weekend At Bernie’s Biden house party guest.
Here is Austin’s cousin in Africa. He’s a incompetent, communist also,that murdered thousands of Rhodesians
Hail Girth Vader!
Or not, whatevs . . .
Brother, why is it that First and Worst so frequently go hand in hand?
LOL. Or I should really say “Tragilarious”. I never thought of it that way, but how right you are my friend!
It would take an entire team to retrieve Vader’s lard.
Another possibility is that the two SEALs were somewhere else entirely, doing something TPTB do not want to admit to, and were killed by those defending wherever they were attempting to infiltrate. Somewhere like Yemen. Or, who knows, Bandar Abbas.
Boots on the ground, can’t admit that, wouldn’t be prudent . . . said some spook or other.
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Let’s call that David Spade . . .
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Or even Gaza.
Yea most of what they have been sayin about the ship traffic in the area doesn’t add up either, and if there’s a search and rescue operation going on the AIS system doesn’t show it. Link to a free one for those who want to see for themselves. https://shiptracker.live/
Of course it’s a lie. My first inclination is they were protecting Lloyd Austin and got droned all at the same time. In Ukraine.
Note Somalia is on the Neocon hitlist that was pushed immediately after 9/11
Make the connection.
Compromised Batard
I’m so glad you said something Sundance for I too found the story wanting. I just had no idea about the why of it.
Hiding casualties was my first thought last night when this was reported on the Presidential Thread, well, after prayers that if two Seals did go in the drink they’d be promptly rescued, gotta cover all your bases with these characters.
Good ole war criminal Clark told us all what it was about after 9/11. The Neocon war criminals are back with Biden clown show looking to finish up their plans, now that they got PDJT & the MAGA policies which were thwarting their plans for Iran & WWIII, and these other wars leading to their big one. PDJT’s peace through strength was thwarting them and exposing the fake Israel/Jewish community supporters. Biggest political development here in politics in decades. They used that anti-Israel/anti-semite Alinsky canard to destroy many political opponents of the Globalists over the years.
Look at the Dinko Sakic situation during illegal US/NATO operations/wars in the Balkans to really see how full of bs they really are.
I see the Iranians are putting those billions gifted to them by Joebama to good use…/sarc
John Kirby’s dissembling has improved greatly, but he’s still a far less facile liar than Karine Jean-Pierre. She’ll say anything without a stumble.
If she was as physically active in her presentations as he is, she’d have to wear a sports bra.
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Google
Sgt Jerry Michael Shriver
Army Special Forces
S O G
Vietnam
MIA
Cambodia
If you look at a map Yemen is “Off the coast of Somalia” . The Houthi claim to have shot down a large drone and hit a vessel during the attacks.
Saw a vid of people showing pieces of the drone. Seals are commonly associated with Vessels and covert operations.
You can draw your own conclusions.
fobdangerclose. Meant this post to be on its own. Reply to your post was accidental
Googled…did not get past Sgt Jerry when his info popped up….still MIA…wow and wow.
https://www.pownetwork.org/bios/s/s139.htm
Nailed it again Sundance
Spot on Sundance!
Google
Sgt Jerry Michael Shriver
Army Special Forces
S O G
Gone MIA
Cambodia
They never change
Read the entire article. At the ending was a picture of Sgt Jerry Michael Shiver. Such a handsome boy. I lost my cousin, one day before he was to come home..to a sniper. 25 years old and the last to carry on the family name.🙏
Imagine what they’d do if this were to happen under a Trump administration!
Military Tribunal in 3, 2, 1….
Call Me Lieutenant Colonel Vindman is on it!
Test
We see you!
I posted to you upthread a bit…
Travel well, Soldiers.
You didn’t question the orders of your government no matter how corrupt our government is.
What the heck.
Odd
You can’t believe ANYTHING this Administration puts out! They lie, they cheat, they misdirect, and probably no telling what is really going on, except that we the American citizens are being screwed. I’m tired of hearing “gas lighting” or any term that softens the truth.
The treasonous traitors in the JoBama administration are malicious and malevolent beings with an agenda that only includes our destruction and they don’t care about or “respect” the members of the families. These people are EVIL beyond description and should be eradicated; root and branch.
If they were missing, they never would have announced it, definitely not in less than three days.
Why wouldn’t they?
Seal ops are Top Secret, Need to Know, Eyes Only.
I wouldn’t want the enemy hunting for them. Especially since China is in the region.
I’m with others who think they’re already dead and it likely didn’t happen “off the coast of Somalia.”
P. S. They “lost” SecDef Austin for 5 days after all, so what are a couple of “seals” to them?
To be fair, no one knew he was lost.
Like, you never know your car keys are missing until you go looking for them.
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Lo…L????
Referencing our esteemed Secretary of Defense who went missing for days over the holidays and the White House didn’t know about it . . . currently supposedly hidden in ICU but just as plausibly maybe in the morgue.
Has anyone seen the former head of cia
Gina haspel
jimmy carter all over again… but worse..
Didn’t Jimmy lose an entire plane?
He lost our street cred writing begging letters to the Mos lems.
He was a Biatch at heart and anal retentive at that.
He lost multiple aircraft in an ill-conceived hostage rescue fiasco in the Iranian desert.
First off Seals are all exceptional swimmers, one of their primary skillsets. Secondly, standard protocol is the ship immediately sounds man overboard and commences their search/recovery. Smoke float deployed to mark the spot, ship turns and comes back around to the spot, small boat deployed, helo launched if aboard and they stay on station for hours. Spent 20+ years in Navy and did hundreds of drills/real events. Their entire story was written by non-navy people. Total BS.
Certainly seems so.
I didn’t spend 20 years in the Navy like you, but I did spend long enough in the Navy to participate in countless man overboard drills. You correctly describe the protocols. If they were conducting a boarding, their ship would have been at a close distance. Additionally, did I miss a mention of the number of Seals involved in the mission? Are they wanting us to believe that only two Seals were sent on a boarding mission? And who was piloting the small craft? They certainly didn’t swim from their ship to the ship being boarded. This story totally reeks.
I posted earlier that sounded strange. 2 Seals to board a ship??
That is on the assumption that they were boarding a friendly ship, or the ship knew what they were up to.
Initial reports were that it was part of a hostile action.
“…..we’re trying to get these attacks to stop….”
Beta male watching himself in the mirror as he practices making declarative statements.
To think that Navy Seals who should be “fully kitted” (as described here), have no radios, no flares, no lifelife, no nada? What kind of “Protocol” as described is that the one not in trouble is “supposed to jump into the water”? Now, we have 2 people in the water without lifelines, radio, flare.. nada.
That is NEVER how any sailor would do at all – to jump into the water when attempting a rescue operation concerning someone who’s gone overboard even by non-military standards.
That’s the greatest BS ever concorted.
Would you jump in to save your brother if in that situation? These team members are probably closer than brothers because they depend on each other for their lives. People who have never served can’t fathom how close you get to others when your life is in their hands.
back in “the day” special team (maritime ops) wore special elt type transponders. basically it’s a pinger. But you don’t light it off constantly. it functions as a epirb but in a military mode. There are also radio and laser reflectors literally a part of the suit. In addition communications is key…this isn’t a james bond movie. You don’t send “frogmen” untethered into ANY situation without a means to communicate. These are usually burst single side band encrypted radios. can be surprisingly small sized and still produce effective comms in nearly any kind of weather…supported by line of sight, high fliers (cap patrol and drone) as well as low earth vehicles.
So the idea that they could not be located after a 2 day search is telling ME things about the size of this story. I suppose it is possible they could have drowned, but then how do you explain that the pingers were not working…you turn a search and rescue into a recovery operations upon detection of a certain type of submerged pressure related signal. it’s how these devices work. similar to elt/epirb type pingers on commercial aircraft, just much smaller/compact.
anecdote: in 1993 we had to respond to a sailor out in the marianas who became septic from a hook wound. An American. We established comms by radio but he had no epirb. The C-130 located him at 28 hours mark from time of launch…we asked that he tape the mic closed to transmit. it was sufficient to locate his position and the the observers in crew took over once we got them to the area. Once spotted (which was nothing short of a miracle..it was a 30 foot sailboat and the main rigging was gone from the previous days storms..the sailor was too incapacitated to haul down the boom and sheets and stow things…so this is a very tiny object in a ocean desert with zero identifiable sea features to help recognize the kinds of patterns an experienced mariner would identify and help deduce where the sailboat would have drifted. We did not have weather buoy data for the area either..) Anyway, we get on scene and drop 5 Air Force parajumpers. These are very specialized trained medics who fly around the world on a moments notice and then literally drop from the sky and rescue lives. They were able to save this life and rigged a makeshift sail sheet and started heading out. We were able to recover the entire crew and had zero problems finding them because they all were geared up with the devices that I mentioned above. precisely. with comms…no signals flares involved…no sea streamers of smoke or sea paint. Just regular issued military hardware that gives the airmen and vessel operators all the information they need to find them rapidly and safely.
There are some other stories less classified..involving a famous CG rescue swimmer who was intentionally left behind in the open ocean in hurricane conditions, several hundred miles from shore…so that the persons who were recovered could all be hoisted in the limited capacity helicopter together in one trip…most suffering from exposure/cold/hypothermia. He was out there for around 30 hours, with his survival suit in a sea state of around 15-20 pitching seas, and 80 knots of fetch. Using similar CG issued devices, he was recovered quickly and other than being a bit cold and hungry, he was back in rotation inside of a week. 24 years old and fearless and of course in world class fitness.
I guess the point is: it’s pretty damned hard to imagine seals with proper training and gear would go missing and not be recovered. I’m sure there is more to this story …of course there is…this joe malarkey circus has been nothing short of a dumpster fire. I mean, at this point, it would not surprise me that the seals were recovered but this pentagon asshole just could not wait to walk the unnecessary cover story about it.
or as others have speculated…combat related and possibly captured.
God Bless America
Treepers flesh out stories and situations with real life experience so quickly it’s amazing!
Treeper-sourcing rocks!
Thank you
With the info you shared that most of us landlubbers don’t know about or understand…it does give a breath of hope for them. I was getting sea sick just reading about the young man in the water for 30 hours….
God Speed these two Seals….
Thanks so much for sharing that Regitiger ! I learned a lot and boy it sounds as though you flew some really, really neat missions. I have worked with a couple US Coast Guard pilots after they came to the airlines, and these guys are really really focused ! Also full of lots of neat technical knowledge – just like you ! Absolutely amazing !
Not an aviator myself. an operations and planning officer. I’m the guy who teams up with other watch standers establishes clear plans and coordinates all of the logistics so that crew and airman can focus on aviating, searching, and performing the mission and making sure they have everything they need to do it as safely as these things can be made safe. it’s all about team work. Small tight knit group of operators similar to I am sure just about any other specialized group of rescue operators and special teams. We occasionally worked with this war fighters also. It’s impossible not to in Hawai’i….lots of missions going on and we all work together to make sure our people are safe and effective. No longer doing that job. I repair aircraft now. Avionics specialist. same kind of culture though…zero tolerance for quality escapes. I don’t fly em, I fix em.
Thank you. Very riveting stories.
Does anything come out of their mouths that isn’t BS or outright lies. Heard about this earlier today and it did not pass the smell test.
I am not a SEAL, but I would suspect that they would or should have some type personal location device as part of the gear they wear when at risk of going in the ocean. I have a Personal Locator Beacon (PLB) that can be used to summon help if SHTF while out boating or fishing. It cost $600 around 6-7 years ago. It can be attached to your PFD if you need to abandon the boat.
Sundance is likely correct to be suspicious of the story.
They would still be KIA’s . Even if it wasn’t related to the strikes or operation vessel protection, they were in the process of a military interdiction of a non-friendly vessel.
IF, if that’s how they were lost, and if they are lost, the interdiction was certainly in support of those military operations, seeking weapons being transported to Yemen.
About the only thing we can be sure of (99.9%) is that they are dead.
Could it have been “Friendly Fire”?
That is how Tillman was killed and the Army covered it up until they couldn’t any longer.
“In April 2004, the Army reported that Tillman had been killed in action after saving dozens of comrades from an enemy ambush, an act of bravery that earned him a posthumous Silver Star. Astoundingly, almost nothing about this inspiring account was true, as his family first found out five weeks later following another official announcement. In fact, an investigation had revealed that Tillman was killed by friendly fire as members of his unit shot indiscriminately at him and a couple of other soldiers separated from their unit and believed to be guerrillas.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-film-tillman/tillman-story-sad-tale-of-a-military-cover-up-idUSTRE61305320100204/
I love the look on this disbelieving kitty.
Backpackers carry PLB’s,
Personal Locator Beacons, in the event that they get lost and are in distress, or are injured and cannot self rescue.
Boaters carry EPIRB’s
Emergency Position Indicating Radio Beacons, for emergency situations.
Am I to believe that US Navy Seals, conducting over water operations are ill equipped and are not outfitted with marine grade PLB’s, for just such a scenario?
Also, were they not equipped with personal flotation devices, otherwise known as life vests?
I am a former sport skydiver and military parachutist. Planned water jumps required PFD’s, for obvious reasons, and operations near a body of water, even though the drop zone was on land, but posed a hazard due to the proximity of the water, required PFD’s.
Suspicious cats unite!
Biden cannot afford to have a Jimmy Carter 1979 moment….the “hostage rescue” that failed just showcased how badly he was doing as Commander in Chief and on top of out of control inflation, he had no cards left to play! Biden (and honestly ANY Democrat at this point) is in the same position. I am just wondering when ANYONE in the MSM is going to start asking exactly where Lloyd Austin is and when we can expect to hear from him DIRECTLY!
They can rebuild him, make him better, maybe even sentient.
Takes time though.
Biden already had his Jimmy Carter moment with his ill-conducted Afghanistan withdraw which cost many more American service members lives than the Desert-One SNAFU.
AI!
There’s a big difference between protecting shipping in the Red Sea and interdicting weapons headed for Yemen. Some of the countries who agreed to support Opertion Prosperity Guardian may have an issue with taking direct action like interdiction weapons shipments, which is why the distinction has to be made clear.
I’m not a SEAL, but I could see why one would go in after a teammate. It’s drilled into them from the first day of training when they’re required to stay within feet of their swim buddy.
The AP story has more details from anonymous sources than the earlier CentCom release because the AP reporters hit up their sources after they read the CentCom release.
Maybe the search and rescue effort is to cover up deaths somewhere else, but there are too many people involved for it to be fake. I’m a skeptic, but based on what’s been officially released and the follow-up AP report, it sure looks exactly like what they are claiming it is.
Many nations already backed off their initial “coalition” of the coerced, as it was so scatterbrained.
As far as being exactly what they claim, look upthread, their load out and gear, on top of the training, is unreal.
Just what the HELL is going on here??
HELL, bien sur.
Touché!
almost as fake as the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the Great Covid Pandemic and even the 2020 and 2022 elections results.
I come to the Treehouse so I don’t have to listen to those people speak (lie). I just let Sundance do the analysis and enjoy the insightful comments. Thank you to all of you.
Wouldn’t surprise me if they were KIA and buried at sea and the Navy then lie and claim they were lost at sea to avoid any political blowback! Just my guess?
I didn’t really want to go there, but yes, I have wondered if they were “buried at sea” to support the claim of lost at sea.
Not in the least beyond those running this merde.
Indeed.
Probably correct.
They lie and we have to be merciful.
If they were lost at sea story is true…..
We don’t have technology to track soldiers in the sea to be rescued??!! Wow.
Where’s Austin?
These fools walked us into WW3 and then realized oh crap look what we did!
His pieces are being put back together in the Ukraine for transfer back home to die of prostate cancer! Just a guess?
Read that yesterday and knew something didn’t SMELL RIGHT!!!
Yes. I’v hanging around SD too long because when I read the USCENTCOM Statement, I said to moi: lying to me. It’s the opposite of what they are saying.
Same here, actually I caught it when flipping TV-news channels (several in a cluster). I don’t even usually channel-surf, but I managed to catch the big box headline (what’s it called?) and paused to catch a little more. And then thought, okay, what exactly is it that’s fishy about this… beyond the fact that this kind of “disappearance” just shouldn’t happen to a couple of SEALs.