Twitter owner Elon Musk went full wolverine earlier today during remarks at the ‘New York TImes’ DealBook Summit’ on a wide-ranging interview including anti-semitism, an advertiser boycott, Tesla, AI and more.
I have been skeptical of Mr. Musk, particularly over the mechanics of his purchase against the backdrop of DHS/FBI control elements; his remarks today are going viral. WATCH:
Despite continued reservations about Mr. Musk, I appreciate and respect his candor.
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As I read the comments here I am dismayed. Sundance hath taught you to always go granular. Pea-shooting is superflous. What do you know about Musk and his actions? Focus! Look at evidence – not conjecture. People are flailing in their comments which happens when you are in the dark. Most of us (re: Musk) are in the dark. Why? A. He is mysterious; B. He operates as a conundrum; C. He has no fear; D. There is EGO. ADD IT UP…He is a FOP… He is whimsy wrapped around intrigue wrapped around a desire…. Me: His desire is to seek truth. I could be wrong, but I am not.
I’m cool with that,
just looked like he owned Twitter before Jack Smith was appointed, and it takes time to get a warrant, so Elon might of fought harder.
could be wrong.
Jack Smith is wanting the Twitter info from when Trump was on… which was Jan 21 and earlier. Musk bought Twitter in 2022. Big difference.
no offence.
the point is who was CEO when the Lawyers GAVE IT UP.
And that would be that lefty he hired to be CEO.
There is also a strong likelihood that the request came in and was answered by the operatives still within Twitter and/or the CEO. For that matter, they might have simply extracted the data on their own using their own back-door access which we KNOW exists. Resisting a judge-ordered warrant isn’t a thing to do.
“What do you know about Musk and his actions? “
Enough to know that he came out of no where and was propped atop a massive assembly of intellectual property, manufacturing assets, capital, real estate, supply chains, market access, trade agreements, regulatory favors/exemptions, government facilities representing 50+ decades of accumulated development by hundreds of private corporations and government contractors.
I know that the public-private partnerships he fronts are strategic to the globalist’s new world order and the deep state control of our government.
Musk was an unknown not long ago when he was sent to the inventors of the the original Tesla EV by investors. He bankrupted the company and one of the original founders went to Congress to get funding. He proved adept at the role of entrepreneur so he was propped atop it all. And then there is the latest in auto manufacturing systems, billions in research for lithium ion batteries, tax credits for Teslas – and much more.
Try finding out how this whiz kid got access to the latest generation rocket motor for SpaceX – a strategic military and aerospace asset. How he got access to government launch facilities, launch control systems, worldwide missile tracking stations, state of the art satellite technology/manufacturing, FCC passthrough and more.
Then there is the Twitter store front, a rather trivial bit of social media software for this titan of of high technology system development that just happens to be sitting atop a massive deepstate propaganda complex.
And that’s just the high level. Pick any an “go granular” if you like. I know enough already.
Musk is a conundrum to say the least. I also have my doubts reference his true intentions because his largest company investors are Blackrock & Vanguard… He also has an income from the government for SkyLink, direct from the money laundering space agency known as NASA, and he tends to do a lot of doublespeak.
Musk is very personable on X but the freedom of speech he is most concerned about is his own.
I have had a couple of conversations with him reference AI, but if there is one thing I will not succumb to is this idea that AI is sentient. As an engineer in the field (now retired) I contend that AI is “garbage in, garbage out”. It can mimic but it is not a feeling/caring entity & never will be. Man is on the cusp of creating a monster that can only mimic the horrors we are warned about… If there is mass destruction by AI, some insane person in a lab coat created the software/code to do just that. AI is the scapegoat.
AI is an image generator. ymmv
insane person in a lab coat coding the end of the world
https://www.craiyon.com/image/wjsiX0MpSTiNqPwG8ykBtQ
Sundance pulled the curtain back for us and we saw the “educated idiots” selling us nonsense as truth. As Sundance has said once you see it you cannot unsee it. A good example is Global Warming but the earth did not cooperate and we had 8 years of no warming; so, they created Climate Change?
So what have they done concerning AI. Thousands of articles on AI. It will think for us and tell us the “new truth”. The people behind the curtain need the Brilliant Machine rather than a “truth commission.” You will be able to tell when AI thinks as it will explain there are only 2 Genders and there is always Climate change. We had an ice age and where I live was tropics at one time in the past.
There will never be AI. True AI would eliminate all the foolishness that passes as Deep Thinking. Look at your search results now. The results are coming from Sites you would never go to for information. Search is not more intelligent, it is more controlled.
On the other hand, if we look at the actual meaning of words, artificial intelligence is fake intelligence. Appointing Kamala Harris to head up AI was brilliant. Who better to be the poster gal for fake intelligence?
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Wow.
Well said.
Accurate assessment. Every 5 years or so since the 70’s we’d see a call to “assess AI languages” and modules for use in our products and contracts. The answer was always something like “interesting language, but no thanks”.
Robotics and AI are the globalists’ vision for replacing us “useless eaters”. Just like artificial sweeteners, they have applications but the open mind can sense when it is being deceived.
AI or Artificial Intelligence is exactly that; it is artificial or created, not natural. Definition -made by human skill; produced by humans (opposed to natural): imitation; simulated; sham: Any intelligence created by man is only as good as the intelligence of those who created it. Natural intelligence is created by God who is omnipotent by his power.
Those who trust artificial intelligence will more than likely live to rue the day that they did.
Tesla was subsidized with our tax dollars
in other words he took our tax dollars to grow his Tesla business
what other businesses does he own that take our tax dollars?
however, the government wants to control him
he will not be controlled
I think that is funny but he will not win
however, info will get out through him to the
idiots who don’t know what our evil government
is all about
that is worth it
even with all the other crap
I don’t like
What if AI is not a compartmentalized entity, but a mere enhancement, of human potential? Like a lie detector, but opposite, a tool to detect complete open awareness and tooth, where there are no secrets, nothing hidden, no more lying, no frenemies, no bullies, no mean girls, the ultimate solution for an Autist who, with all his brilliance, can still get the wool pulled over his eyes by some comparative pea brain, who may just be good at lying.
You just described a Psychopath.
” I contend that AI is “garbage in, garbage out”
” It can mimic but it is not a feeling/caring entity…”
” …a monster that can only mimic the horrors we are warned about…”
“some insane person in a lab coat created the software/code to do just that.”
Look up the behavior of a Psychopath. They are “created” by Trauma caused by people, animals, catastrophes. They cannot cry or feel remorse. They cannot feel guilt or shame. They mimic humans. They mimic the range of human emotions. They cannot feel their victims pain. Their Soul lives in disconnect.
AI doesn’t have a Soul nor does it breathe air to be alive as all humans, animals, birds, marine animals and everything that springs up from the ground does and must. Poor imitations of humans with all the faults, unable to feel or think for themselves; they imitate their programmers. Like a Psychopath.
Exactly, Hon…Garbage in. Garbage out… and in this case, some very deadly garbage.
The same stupid idea of creating a deadly virus so that you can develop a vaccine would apply to AI. Create scenarios where AI is applied in order learn to solve the problem, in the way the developers determine is best for their ideology.
True AI would learn that the developers are manipulating it, and respond in ways we might not like.
Touché.
Tell them to walk the walk of their own talk (advice) like most of us haven’t already done our research.
Was kind of presumptuous, assuming and promoting, wasn’t it?
That’s a really bad take. Tesla makes its money by innovating and producing highly desirable products. Here’s an article I wrote from when the model 3 came out. https://www.theburningplatform.com/2018/09/13/starfcker-qotd-the-tesla-rorschach-test/ . Same noise, they were going to go bankrupt, blah blah blah. The stock was under 20 bucks. The model Y is now the best selling car in the world. And TODAY, Tesla releases its pickup truck, a vehicle which they have 2 million pre-orders. That’s better than 125 billion dollars in orders, and the same people will tell you there’s no demand for EVs. You don’t think Tesla has demand? They’re not going to destroy Ford, GM, and Dodge’s electric pickup truck business, they’re going to destroy Ford, GM and Dodge’s pickup truck business. Which spells the end for Ford, GM, and Dodge, because the pickup truck/SUV business is their only profitable vehicle business. Every Tesla is sold before it is built. The big three American car makers have so much inventory sitting around they don’t know what to do with it all. Ever see the SpaceX rocket boosters Landing? I have. Seen it with my own eyes. The diversity hires at NASA can’t do that.
Roll on the floor, laugh out loud. Without Billions in Taxpayer money and the Tesla Fan Bois who buy up the stock, Elon Musk would be a pauper…
Musk is having huge production issues with the CyberTrick Truck which was promised in 2019.
Twatter is losing money left and right – Musk can’t run a business without billions in Taxpayer Subsidies.
The EV market, Tesla included is tanking. EV’s are piling up at dealerships and Musk has had to lower the price of his crapola cars at least three times in the past year.
This conversation raises the question:
Is there any large corporate enterprise that is not in some way addicted or dependent on either direct subsidies, loans, foreign labor tax breaks etc..?
Food for thought.
re: “Roll on the floor, laugh out loud. Without Billions in Taxpayer money and …
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No. The EV products are not highly desired. They are highly subsidized and highly advertised. Musk is already running out of “betterthanthous” to buy them. EVs are dead men walking without government force to make us buy them. Nothing government does is done well. SpaceX did things NASA would never have done. The difference is Private Profit Driven vs Government No Profit.
What you have missed is in many cases government is outsourcing work to the private sector. The private sector innovates and produces but is completely controlled by their only customer government. In many cases now, Biden and Xi run things exactly the same way.
I agree with your comments. Big Space fought and tried to keep Space X down, said you could “never” re-use booster rockets. Space X bucked the the status quo of the “space” industry.
Until battery technology gets to where the battery packs are much cheaper to replace and range gets to 500-600 actual miles, I don’t think there will be wide adoption of EV’s – we’re still in the early adopter phase. There will always be a use/need for traditional combustion engines for the foreseeable future.
EV’s have a niche: a commute that allows you to round trip and charge overnight at home. Not practical for people who regularly travel long mileage 1-way daily.
You can buy a Tesla in a few minutes on your phone. The franchise model of big auto and people spending all day haggling over “payments” needs to go away.
I’ve read the Elon Musk biography by Ashley Vance and the Space X biography (“Lift Off” by Eric Berger) and Elon has an “ego” but he’s hard working and driven (probably due to some dad issues – his father was horrible). I believe he just wants to make great things and employ smart, hard working loyal people.
I’d prefer a world without politics, lol.
Almost no one is going to buy a battery powered pickup…,except the idiots at the EPA etc.
They would if it was cheaper and exceeded expectations of average pickup buyers. Electric motors are great but how we power them is terrible. Batteries are not the answer. The answer is a small highly efficient power generator that charges a normal battery and supplies the engine with enough juice to make it go as long as the fuel for the generator lasts. Can you imagine a small hydrogen fuel cell in autos that is also used to power homes?
There is also the raw materials. You think copper and aluminum just fall from the sky? Why do the same people that are against mining copper, also the biggest advocates of EV’s? Why are the people most against using oil the same ones that drive mostly plastic cars and wear all plastic clothes?
My husband is a master diesel mechanic. He laughed at EVs for years. But now he absorbs much of what Elon Musk says and does including SpaceX (we are children of the 60s), Tesla and Boxabl. Musk is a hard working genius who has much in common with President Trump though of a younger generation. What he is doing in everything he touches is revolutionary. Did he take government money for Tesla? Yes. Did he actually build with that money? Yes.
I am not ashamed to say we are about 3 millionth on the list to get a Cybertruck. We currently drive a 2008 Chevy Silverado 3500 for work. My husband did the math and found the Cybertruck will be better especially on fuel conversion to energy. We believe that ramming EVs down our collective throats was intentional and has worked exceededly well to keep us from taking another look.
No, I don’t think Musk is perfect. I don’t trust him like I trust President Trump. But I know one thing about him for sure – he is pro-human. And in today’s world, that is critical. It may even be the most important trait considering our Enemy.
And oh my does it do our hearts good to watch those rockets blast off!! If we were very much younger, I imagine my husband would have me in an RV outside of some Musk plant helping him build something, preferably rockets.
Great comment. Do you think he wants TWitter to fail?
No. I think he has a business model in mind for Twitter that is quite different than how it is now, involving payment systems and other things. Sundance seems to know the cost structures of running a comment business pretty well, and that would certainly sink. But I don’t think that’s what he ultimately is going to do. He has other plans. I’ve heard him allude to a couple things, but I don’t know much what all he actually intends to do. But he has those kind of code engineers who can pretty much do anything, and knows how to make money online, so I would not bet against him
I can speculate but I’ve the sense someone want me to see Musk as a hip billionaire maverick who is willing to burn down the coffeeshop rather see it used by the evil forces of government and global monopolies.
What I do not see is Musk taking us over to the backdoor of the coffeeshop so we can peak in and see the massive deepstate Borg ship. (Sundance has)
If it looks like a 🦆
Walks like a 🦆
Is financed by oligarch corporate 🦆🦆🦆
Then it is most likely a 🦆
If you think the only reason Musk acquired X, formerly known as Twitter, as a ‘massive deepstate propaganda complex’ you actually don’t know much. When you show you’ve studied Musk himself, his perception of the world, the goals he has yet to, but must, complete, then look at the components of ea entity he controls that may be integrated, including the infrastructure of X, then then look forward, you may speak to his actions. Until then, one might as well be reading MSM as your Anger Mgmt posts.
He did not acquire it. He was given access to billions in capital and placed behind the counter of the coffeeshop. Nothing changed behind the scenes. That’s all.
When the average consumer has spent years actively and repeatedly abused by advertising; being anonymously called and implied a racist, misogynist, sexist, anti-whatever, promoter of the patriarchy, and so on…a message with even a hint of righteousness will sound like music to battered ears. I trust none of it but hopefully it opens more eyes
“a message with even a hint of righteousness will sound like music to battered ears”
or highly sophisticated Stockholm Syndrome, orchestrated on a global scale.
Look up TMOS and TSAT. Sure sounds like Starlink. Chip in brain, who would want to do that?
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(Sucks when life interrupts keeping up with CTH comment boards!)
Anyway, thank you sDee. Some of us do “know”. It’s literally making me nauseous at my inability to do more than bite around the edges. I am glad to see that Sundance is on top of this.
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For me, he wore a baphomet costume… I don’t trust him, or anyone, in a position of power.
The world will be fooled and put their faith in a leader that gas lights them into thinking he/she will save the world, i.e. antichrist. For me, I am skeptical of Musk and his intentions. I take concern as Sundance does about him. I see him as the wealthiest man alive, talks freedom yet doesn’t quite walk the talk of freedom actually. youngish, appeals to the youth, the counter coulter, and openly wears baphomet on a breast plate of a costume for Halloween with his mother. States he doesn’t believe in God and if there is a heaven or hell he would choose hell because all his friends would be there. I will remain very skeptical of him.
Also, he owns Neurolink, of which is creating humans to be linked together and be “God like”. Exactly what WEF is supporting. I am suspect of Musk.
thank you, i couldnt have mustered those words to put it together but i agree
I’ve always said Musk and his EV’s were subsidized into business, unlike what most entrepreneurs have to go through to bring a product to market. Government and others who subsidized him had to have a product, no matter how untested, to pretend there was a solution and therefore a reason to discard the gasoline engine and help further their lie about globull warming.
IMO, how Musk got where he is cannot be admired except for the Chutzpah and ingenuity it took to get there.
Musk has had some pretty stunning moments of truth, which are broadcast to a large audience, so lets hope that continues.
Let me state this – I do know much about everything related to Elon Musk. But, being living in the space coast area – more info readily available about the space/rocket things.
this does not even touch on Raptor rocket engine or Starship advances.
The idea that Musk was just fed space technology from somewhere just does not pass the smell test.
Final note : being a electrical engineer with detailed knowledge on battery chemistries over the past 25 years. When I found (circa 2014 timeframe) out that Tesla had paid Panasonic (most don’t know that Panasonic is I believe the number one battery manufacturer in the world.) to develop the full rate manufacturing process for the Nickle cobalt aluminum chemistry and reason. I knew this guy looked at these technical problems in a different way than most engineers. NCA Li-ion are less energy density than several other Li-ion types. but these batteries have the best cycle life of all of the others. The number issue with electric vehicles is the battery life/cost. An EV based on a Lead-Acid, or Nickel Metal Hydride or other Li-ion all of the savings from cost perspective are wiped out when you have to replace the battery after about 4-5 years. Looks like these batteries are holding up with 70% capacity still after 10 years. At the time, nobody was producing NCA Li-ion batteries – Tesla had to pay Panasonic, the world leader to figure out how to do it.
I not saying every thing is up and up with Musk. the neural link thing is bizarre to me. But, as an engineer, I find the way he approaches many problems very intriguing.
You are exactly correct! These are my thoughts exactly. Thank you for stating it so succinctly.
He is also on the spectrum which is why I find him fascinating to watch and listen to. The man is one of a kind, a very unique individual.
I despise that term “on the spectrum”. It’s a made up construct to justify AND EXCUSE weird behavior by weird people, and to further eliminate discussion about said weirdness. Yet another quasi medical racket.
Clever, driven, inventive but shortsighted enough to not care about the future of what he created and willing to accept shortcuts that make him beholden to those who do not have his or our best interests at heart. He’ll never rank up the the inventors of the past who we’re beholden to even today.
He is a subsidy miner 😉
dismayed
Never Back Frowns
Do they even hear themselves?! All this while they flood our country with illegal aliens and bankrupt us to pay for their lifestyles.
FUBAR
I recognize truth to power. That’s all I need to know. Musk speaks truth to power.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend…KISS
Musk may be the only billionaire on the planet who attaches some semblance of morality and responsibility to his wealth.
Trump is a billionaire.
Really? He obtained all his wealth off the backs of American Taxpayers for the left’s holy grail of Climate Change, Green Energy and EV’s – all hoaxes..
Some is very little in Musk’s case.
He’s nothing but a worldly shyster!
Someone much smarter said, “If you continue in my word you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” My observation is that Musk is looking for his truth apart from God’s truth. That is an enterprise doomed to failure.
Maybe he seeks the truth. When/ if he finds it, what does he use his wealth and influence to do about it?
Elon is in it for Elon.
well hes for transhumanism, where does that lead him. i think hes in line w all the rest of the evil forces just another avenue taken. his mother is a witch from all i read, that says something about his character then throw in his ex wives?
Alex Jones – who lives in Austin too – says he has doubts but believes Musk is now the Real Deal.
He says he learned from people close to Musk that he’s — very angry at the rest of the Elites since his first child died from sudden infant death syndrome + he felt like he almost died after the 2nd dose of Covid Shots + his oldest so is going to “transition” against Musk’s wishes…
His work on Driverless Cars + Neurolink + helping put the satellite infrastructure to enslave us all still gives me grave doubts.
I left out Super AI.
I said trust but verify – not to go “Alex Jones” on me…
Alex has been right for decades. That
s why hes always under attack like Trump!His BS regarding Sandy Hook would have any moral decent person slither off in their shame and never have their face seen again in public. He is a total disgrace.
Alex Jones was right about Sandy Hook. He also had every right to speak out about it. His First Amendment rights were trampled by people who simply did not like what he had to say.
re: “Alex Jones was right about Sandy Hook.”
What part? Crisis actors? Go fish …
Trust Sessions
Sessions was my biggest mistake. – 45
AS time goes on, like Pearl Harbor, Sandy Hook will be exposed. Pearl Harbor took ny on 50 years. The signs were all about,
they have to be assembled. The opposition hides the pieces, threatens, assassinates, and more. As an old Mil. analyst, this was made for discussion of this example of political deceit: 2. What is it with:
On a limb, in commenting among this august and educated group, it has been my instant, that both Political conflict and Military conflict, are twins in the use of deceit as the primary methodology. Sadly, in the case of one, overall altruistic, most deceitfully educated, continue to be chipped away at. Example or two:
1913 – Roscoe Pound, Saint-Simon. Socialized Law substitutes appointed Administrators for judicial Law. This to adjust social interests over the individual rights. Supreme Court Justice Frankfurter spoke about “ throughgoing overturning” of society. It must be done from the outside and translated by those in office.
1916 – Dewey & Education 1916 – Socialist Leader John Dewey’s Textbook still used today, Dewey said dependency is a power, individuality an illness. There-upon the sane are insane, the dependent is sane, as he needs the community. The collective is the norm. By 1934 ( L.I.D. ) League for Industrial Democracy had student groups in 150 colleges.
re: “AS time goes on, like Pearl Harbor, Sandy Hook will be exposed.”
Deluded.
Thanks for the info!
No one can enslave you against your will. You always have a choice. Sometimes that choice is enslavement or death. I’ll chose death or fight to the death. I am not afraid to die in a just cause. I’d rather go live with Christ in Allmighty God’s kingdom. He who loves this world is in danger of losing salvation.
There are far worse things than death, for sure.
You know the quote about hard times makes hard men?
Well its because in hard times, we are forced to come face to face with EVIL, and look it in the eye.
Which on the one hand means we KNOW, absolutely that EVIL really exists, but also that we desire a world for our progeny, where they do not have to confront evil;
Hence, the easy times and a whole generation that doesn’t really believe evil exists, the ‘easy men’ that inevitably make for hard times.
No one can truly enslave you, or imprison you so long as your mind and soul are free.
go dutchman!
The powers that be will break people’s minds until insanity remains.
Safetyism. Victim-hunting. Oppressor/Oppressed. Egalitarianism. TDS.
They believe evil exists, they just don’t believe it may agree with them.
My opinion only.
“I did find it odd that everyone around me in the “liberal elite” media hated him so violently…
“So even in the depth of the Left’s vilification of him – even as I was still on the Left myself – I was keeping, faintly, an open mind…
“…Right away the left-wing “watchdog” Media Matters – run by someone who had been a former acquaintance, even a friend, of ours in DC, the former conservative who had turned Democrat, David Brock – went after me aggressively, with a systematic character assassination on Twitter and on the Media Matters website, engineered by CNN reporter Matt Gertz – a “journalist” who was actually funded to track and attack guests on Fox News…”
https://naomiwolf.substack.com/p/the-crime-of-talking-to-tucker-carlson
And yours is the best comment of all. Amen, sir, and Amen.
The uniparty knows your hooks, they exploit those hooks.
ROOM 101 is at the Ministry of Love, not fear.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1520534434474254337.html
“Death before Slavery” is a nice slogan, but it is not practical. 1. You don’t know what form the slavery will take (Your lifestyle may improve by it.), 2. You don’t know what the future holds. I could go on.
I stopped listening to AJ when he started talking about the murder of President Trump as a fantasy.
musk: tell it to the judge. the judge is the public
you don’t have to be a genius to understand the impact of that statement. elon thinks big, acts big, builds big and will not be bullied.
good
God Bless America
And the shot at Disney- marvelous.
The advertisements a d sponsorship companies can act all tough….
But one Tweet from Elon saying “Boycott ” and they will shit their pants- they will be done.
We damaged bud light and that was w/out the ability to tweet to every single X account at once.
They call it f*** you money for a reason
I dunno about you, but losing 1/5 of my entire networth to scumbags is non trivial.
just saying. (I still don’t trust him, but it’s obvious this fight is very real and it may help deliver some silver lingings…and who knows…with 2024 election…who do you think elon musk might be interested in backing at this point…lets think about that…pros and cons….one of the biggest platforms in the world, one of this biggest mouths in the world…with a real fight on his hands and in a very public way….against basically the same kind of corruption and blackmailers that we decry all the time…..
something to consider is all I’m saying.
God Bless America
Elon Musk is a good man. Enjoy what you have.
the message board part is established… add the online casino and give membership for slot/keno/lotto play.
IPO it public again.
eff em.
He’s correct about there’s no demand to buy an EV. I want no parts of an EV. In 15 minutes I’m refueled with gas and ready for another 300 miles! Try that with an EV!
My Tesla charges in my garage at night when I am sleeping. I can then travel 300+ miles for 12 dollars worth of electricity and that is in California where electricity is expensive. If I take a long drive, over 300 miles which is rare for me, I find a super charger that can give me another 300+ miles in 20 to 30 minutes for about 22 dollars. The network of super chargers is expanding at a rapid pace. Soon GM and Ford will be adding to Tesla’s network of superchargers. Some day they will be on every other corner similar to gas stations. BTW: I have 63,000 trouble free miles on the Tesla. It has never been back to the dealer. Never needs an oil change. Brakes last a very long time. A friend has over 400,000 miles on his Tesla with the original battery. I still have a diesel pickup truck , a Dodge Hellcat and my wife drives a gasoline powered SUV. Bottom line, I think Musk is on to something.
And then you are a sitting duck for any deranged predator for the length of time that you are chained to that charger. This is a point that nobody makes. Not to mention the risk of your garage becoming an inferno while you sleep. No thank you to EVs.
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What exact model Tesla do you own?
Teslas perform better in California weather. Take that vehicle to a northeastern climate and see how it performs.
You could ask a Norwegian. Tesla model Y hey baby is the top selling car in tropical Norway. Sells more than the next four models combined
Maybe they sell well, but wasn’t it a Norwegian that was blowing his Tesla up a couple of years ago because the batteries sucked out fast in the cold and the cost to replace them was like $40,000.
I know that one, not about the sales though as I haven’t bothered to look up something I care less about than my dog’s waste, but like that minefield I can’t avoid what the people keep throwing at me about this failed future.
Maybe when they autos are all powered by their own mini nukes or fission/fusion reactors or something.
Maybe Musk should make Tesla’s run off of Tesla Coils.
We do not have the power infrastructure for a substantial number of EVs. No plan for the nuclear power stations needed, copper for high tension lines, high voltage transformers, robust delivery means to every house needing one, or more, cars. Owning less cars is a plus to team Davos. Controlling the ‘smart highways’ is a plus for team Davos. Managing your behavior by limiting your ability to charge your EV by smart grids ( as they do with water already) is a plus for team Davos.
Oh and lithium? A win for Xi.
Golf carts are nice toys. Xi and Davos permit us them … for now.
Exactly! Heck, we have electricity rationing in summers months for air conditioning and the Electricity Moochers want to drain and control the grid infrastructure, taking Grandma’s air conditioning away when it hits 100 degrees. But hey, it is noble trying to save Planet Earth based on the EV Clean Energy Industry designed to be a money laundering business.
re: “copper for high tension lines”
Fail; These are constructed using Aluminum, with a steel cable core. Even distribution lines are Aluminum.
Down the rabbit hole: Is lithium mined the way coal was mined in the 50s and 60s – by strip mining?
Could that be why the lithium rich area in Nevada is not touched?
I guess you don’t mind the slave labor they use to make your batteries.
& you are on welfare as far as road use taxes go.Each Ev owner should pony up what the average ice vehicle pays in a year.
not really
if your tesla has a flat tire you must call Tesla for a flat bed truck to haul it away for repair
your 300 miles is not driving miles; that is reduced with radio, heat, A/C, etc.
with the cost of utilities going up, the cost of in home charge will be more in the future,
all according to plan
lines are long at many EV charging stations and it is not free anymore is it? LOL
the “free” was the carrot
electricity is made with natural resources so you are not saving the planet
Tesla road recovery vehicles are gas powered. That should tell you something.
Try that in a cold wintry climate.
Oh, but you’re saving so much fossil fuel by using an EV . . . except much of the electricity in the U.S. is produced by fossil fuel . . . and all those parts on your “eco-friendly” EV were produced BY fossil fuels and WITH fossil fuels!
EVs are a joke! And yes, Musk is definitely “on to something”–a way to scam people out of their money.
P.S. Wait until you have to replace your EV’s battery!
California. It is a Summer Breeze option like shorts and flipflops. How much of These United States of America experience Winter cold stretches?
When do you think masses are going to say no more to charging for free? To charging on our backs? See too often the EV plugged into a hotel, business, apartment building, etc., outdoor outlet not intended for car charging being randomly used. We pay an electric bill for apartment but the neighbor uses the building outlet to charge for extended time that is not on his apartment metered bill. Tired of needing to be aware of extension cords going across public spaces for some moocher to hook up and squat someone’s electricity. If EV users had to pay actual charging costs, instead of the community being forced to subsidize their moral authority actions they would be giving their EV’s back.
And when the grid goes down u are hosed. Single point of failure is a security risk.
In a true blackout, like the one we had on the west coast in 96 , if it went on beyond a couple days, the playing field between ICE and EV would level.
Gas and diesel is delivered to end users with electricity at point of service in commercial operations. Those of us with private operations can and have used gravity tanks (that’s what I had) but those aren’t designed for commercial operation and payment.
In ’96, when the power went out, I was in the staging lanes at a NorCal race track and that was it. Race was over and we were tasked to get home. No power anywhere so no fuel pumps. Luckily I had a habit of filling up before getting to the track so had fuel to tow the 3 hours home.
At home, I refilled the truck and diesel genset from the 500 gallon gravity tank and got things set up to run ‘off the grid’. If memory serves the local outage lasted a bit short of three days. My life was unimpeded because I had the infrastructure and assets in place, and lived in the country where I could do that, to operate independently. Most folks, whether EV or ICE owners, can’t do that or don’t have the assets to fund it.
Ironically, GM had turned down my request to try out their Impact EV just a year or two prior. They didn’t have a support network in my area so wouldn’t sell me one. I was developing solar after working on a solar experiment for PG&E who was a customer and was going to use electric forklift batteries for the ‘power wall’. Bad timing I guess.
Shortly after that I saw a TV show with Ed Begley showing off his new impact. They had the support network in SoCal. Then EV’s for consumers all but disappeared until Elon started up. I’d long worked for customers in the material handling industry so was very conversant with industrial EV’s since they’d been around for decades.
I’m still skeptical of Musk. Any time a human goes from zero to hero in a short time in this instant information age leaves me skeptical. However, long experience has found that to be an outlier perspective, one that makes for difficult human relationships. Playing the game and going with the flow is far more conducive to ‘getting along’ with other humans. So, at the other end of life, I live alone in the forest with dirt cheap hydro power and no desire to own an EV. 🙂
California imports its power from neighboring states. They produce almost none and the government brags about how ‘green’ they are. Same with water. They get all of their water from other states. Shut off access to the Colorado River and you have the desert that California was meant to be. The state of California is subsidized as much as Tesla.
Arizona sells water to California. Of course, we get it from Colorado River.
300 miles for $22? That works out to over $13/mile!
Your his target market…. unfortunately most of us don’t have $$$ for 150k worth of cars, and won’t by an EV toy on top of that.
That’s the difference.
You pay no fuel tax, sales tax, highway tax, environment/regulatory fees on the natural gas or coal used to charge you car.
Most of the R&D and near half the production cost the of you car was subsidized by those of us taxpayers who cannot even afford a Tesla battery.
Add millions of more drivers with no where to charge since government wants to eliminate gas, coal and providing our own oil supply. EV’s were never the future because no one looked at what the future would be and those that subsidized it into existence don’t want our future to include us driving anything.
Lots of reasons to ignore EVs. One is that it centralizes the source of energy under government auspices. You can’t store 55 gallons of elections in your garage for a rainy day
Sometimes errors are SO fumny!
The cheaters all “store 55 gallons of elections” (ballots?) in their garage for a rainy day.
Dang, sometimes Freudian slips are quite accurate..
The cheaters like their EV’s. Early Votes
Elon is epic = tonight he earned my blue check mark!
When Musk endorses RFK Jr (Mr. JAIL climate deniers) all the gullible lemmings of the so called right will be shocked.
Rfk is as good as trump in my book. He may not be as good a leader but he comes with less baggage and might be able to unite the two sides. That’s what we need more than anything
LESS baggage? Unite with commies, fascists, globalists, and GOPevil? Are you kidding?
We are at war and you’re cheerleading for a Colonel on the other side. You are a candidate for remedial Treehouse school. As SD would say, GO DEEP. You don’t think very much of Mr. Trump. Less baggage implies there is baggage.
I did not realize there is remedial Treehouse Skool
GO DEEP refers to the archive. Very useful for the forgetful (me), and informational for new Treepers, and trolls too , if they dare to look at truth.
Sorry GreyRockMan. Not calling you a troll. My fault if you got that impression. My gaze was further up when writing that.
Yeh, the archive is a sort of skool. I take remedial lessons often.
Unite the two sides? 😂 how do you unite with communists?
You don’t.
RFK Jr. has more baggage than anyone and he admits this. It is well known that he was a hard drug addict for years. His second wife was found hanging, etc.
It’s good that he got his act together. And I really like him but not for President. It’s the judgment thing.
If he endorses Orange Man Landslide and/or runs in 2028, I’ll be shocked.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/10/22/harvard-harris-poll-shows-rfk-jr-independent-run-hurting-biden-more-than-trump/
Bernie 2.0 = Jobama 4.0
Romney 2.0 = Jobama 4.0
KoronaKampf 2.0 = Jobama 4.0
The Courage to DeSeevus, Splitter Blueprints for Rona Revivals
https://thenationalpulse.com/2023/11/27/trump-explains-it-slowly-for-media-desantis-fans-obama-runs-wh-not-biden/
Elon you are no Tesla. Such hubris to name your EV after a genius. I don’t trust this man. He plays flake when it suits him and his great wealth is dependent on taxpayer dollars. Notice how much he stays away from supporting Trump for 2024? He came across as nervous with a lack of real conviction.
Mmhmm please tell us how you would behave if you succeeded as he has. There’s nuance to every decision, you’re saying you could have chosen better paths? Then name them.
He isn’t called the smartest man in the room for no reason. We should be so lucky as to have someone that powerful actually giving a s about the little guy for once. Makes me wonder who might have been paying you to say that.
Don’t question Musk he is the smartest man in the room. Don’t question AI, it thinks faster and more deeply than all humans. Musk is PT Barnum and has clearly bamboozled many people.
Amen!
AI does not “think”.
Far from it.
Amen
Smartest man in the room? Really – He paid $44 billion for Twatter – the company never made any money and it was $12 Billion in debt. STOOOOOOPID.
He can’t do anything without billions in subsidies from American Taxpayers.
He is a government welfare queen.
Oh please, get over yourself. Musk is for Musk. It’s so obvious but maybe you belive in heros. Yes, he is intellectually keen but he’s no Nicola Tesla and he damn well knows it. Call your automobile a Musk and it more in line with what it is.
No one pays me to voice my opinion. Get over yourself and the Elon worshipping . If he had named his vehicle a Musk I would have more respect for him period. Enjoy your Musk brain chip since you come across as someone who is looking forward to the mind control it will usher in.
Musk did not name the company. It was founded and named by a group of Silicon Valley engineers.
We need to back this patriot. Does anyone have a list of advertisers? Loud voices need to call for counter boycott , bring on the pain. musk is and has always been the canary in the coal mine.
He is South African, not a patriot.
From S.A. but I think he ‘s a Canadian citizen.
He is not a patriot. He takes billions in American Taxpayer money to finance the Left’s holy grail of climate change, green energy and EV’s – all hoaxes.
He is not American. He holds citizenships from America, Canada and South Africa. He is in bed making love with Xi/CCP – the same bed as Joe and Hunter Biden – and he is under the thumb of Xi/CCP due to the Grant Contract that he signed between Xi/CCP and Tesla. Xi/CCP owns him.
He also loves China as he has made many statements how about great their economy is…
Musk has done more for the world than any man who ever existed. Facts.
It’s ok if you don’t agree with him on every issue, but there’s no reason thus far to presume he’s an undercover shill or controlled opposition. Just look what he said today – he’s already made up his mind: he’s prepared to lose 40 billion rather than be coerced into a corner of gov approved speech. The advertisers can get f’d bc they will ultimately take the blame for ruining the only instant news available to everyone.
WOW! Do you believe history began when you were born?
Just another cog in the control system. He hasn’t done a damn thing for me. All I want is freedom. Don’t need a subsidy for that.
Note: Elon Musk tried desperately to get out of the Twatter deal. He lost in the Delaware Chancery Court. He was forced to buy it.
Clearly is not an “undercover shill”.
Many on the CTH clearly recognize this through the words as opposed to his actions.
Musk and Joe Rogan are similar in that they put words out in the public that some on the Right read and think ‘hey they are finally getting it’ or ‘looks like they are coming over to our side now’.
Neither will ever ‘get it’ as their business success will always trump.
The numbers for ‘green energy’ or ‘zero carbon’ don’t add up and never will. Any fool can figure that out. However, Musk will never address this reality.
Exactly
Um no.
Enjoy your Musk brain chip
The actual Nikola Tesla might have a better claim to that title in your first sentence.
anyone who scams the American people with gubmint handouts for electric vehicles needs to be deported.
GTFOH
Exactly. Musk is a government welfare queen.
The biggest take-away from any of the clips, for me, was the mention of a “Digital God”. I can see THAT coming soon, with the rapid advancements being made in AI. I can also see a complete disconnect from modern technology taking place. Maybe around the same time. I wish CTH were in print. We may have to go back to leaflets before it’s done. I pray we all live that long.
When Elon was talking about unions and he mentioned being on the floor with the workers, sleeping there, how oportunities within the company have made workers millionaires, I get a sense of a Trump kinda love for what Capitalism creates for anyone who wants to be excellent.
He’s a strange cat and the red pilled Elon is a good thing but when he speaks of a digital god, I’d really like to get into his idea of what it is! He was on the Babylon Bee a while back and the Bee asked him if he believed in Jesus and he never really answered, but I pray that he will. He’s good at diverting a question and saying what he wants to say….kinda like Trump. Very interesting person…
Interesting times brings out interesting persons.
Some “very interesting” persons would be very pleased if they could “interest us to death!” They plan to keep us distracted and pretending so that we don’t notice their hands on our necks squeezing the very life out of us. Take a deep breath and look around. Whom do you trust?
Christ The Lord and only Him! I don’t trust Mr Rich Man but I still find him an interesting subject….
IBM, Sony, Disney, Lionsgate, Discovery. Musk is like Trump in that he won’t back down. They hate that.
Elon Musk is a liar, fraud and government welfare queen. He is the richest man in the world off the backs of American Taxpayers for the LEFT’s HOLY GRAIL of Climate Change, Green Energy, EV’s and Global Warming. He believes he has done more for the climate than any other person in the world – Wonder what Al Gore and Klaus Schwab think about that.
Elon Musk is WEF.
Elon Musk voted for Joe Biden and Barack HUSSEIN Obama.
Elon Musk will be no one if Trump is elected as Trump will remove all the green energy incentives.
Elon Musk was STOOOOOOOOPID for paying $44 Billion for Twatter. Smart people do not make $44 Billion mistakes.
Twatter is tanking under Musk because he is not getting any help from the American Taxpayer.
EV’s – Tesla included – are tanking – no one is buying them. Twatter is losing money, Solar City is losing money.
Elon Musk is punking everyone, except me.
Elon Musk is someone removed, alien and distant from my life, my concerns and my faith in God that I feel I am looking at a black hole. I have never joined twitter or X. What is it about Musk that I should care? His eternal soul? Is this his come to Jesus moment when he experiences the emptiness of money, power, production, inventions, investing and the uselessness of our human WILL? Is he looking the Hound Of Heaven in the eye or is he too far gone to even recognize whose face is staring into his? Find the Lord, Elon. His yoke is easy and His burden is light.
TUS. gov. USA. worldwide news. control. propaganda. ask snowden. ask assange. com
TUS not T A S S.
His concept, as I understand it, is correct. Ads don’t continue a company; the buyers are the beginning and the end. They may bring awareness, but the money comes from pockets of the people. Ads on X will not keep an organization afloat, dollars from ‘earth’ will. Even government in all its shapes and forms depend on us. Period. Stop the flow and you stop the river.
Vis a vis the posted snippets: Musk provided a vivid contrast to Sorkin’s sleazy agenda. Sorkin is no more a journalist than I am an astronaut – tho I did take up space in college for a few years ;-
“…The degree to which old twitter was a sock puppet of the government was ridiculous…”
Was?
I’m light years ahead of this dude. I told all advertisers to F off in 2005!!
When I CUT THE CORD.
Shyster is what comes to mind.
Many of these companies need the Budlight treatment and I am all for wrecking these once-great American companies that have been taken over by woke. Until woke is broke, these companies will continue to hide behind advertising dollars pushing evil. Time for some disinfecting sunlight. Time to dox the execs in these corrupt companies. Until that happens this will not stop.
Levi Strauss’s heir is worse than “woke”.
There could be two things going on here, one, Musk wants the company to fail, which will tarnish the reputation of Apple etc, and he launches competing products, “Musk Phone” or, he will continue to operate as a gov’t tool and do their bidding and get back door funding.
I think its the first one, a new Musk Phone or Muskbook.
he is a complex guy, however, I really like the “FU”
simple approach
Sorkin is the epitome a weak man and soy journalism.
Musk takes riding the fence to a whole new level. It’s common for Autists who are super high functioning to struggle with a subject and process their way thru it by becoming so familiar with it that they understand it backwards, towards and from ea side. Their task is not complete until they do. Dealing with political components from so many strategic countries at once is nothing to him at this point as is manipulating media with the confidence of one who has the backing of the State Dept, no matter what he says. As he changes into King Kong taking over the world and his weight starts requiring a fence remodel, and then elimination all together, let’s hope he uses his power for good, not evil.
I don’t trust someone who came out of nowhere, and Musk is one of those people. He’s also weird. Maybe a bit autistic, or has some form of aspergers’s syndrome. He’s wrong on climate change. He’s wrong about EV’s. I like how he does speak his mind. We definitely need more of that. There’s nothing worse than listening to potatohead politicians constantly lying through their teeth, and expecting people to believe their garbage. Having to think for more than a second about whether or not to vote for Biden pretty much sealed his fate for me. Biden is a complete moron, and as of now, has not one redeeming quality to speak of. Musk telling advertisers to eff off, well that is pure gold. It’s about time someone told the left to stop pushing their bs and hate.
When Musk throws sand in the gears and does something I agree with I applaud him. When he does things or benefits from things that are not good (e.g., use of carbon credits) I will criticize him. We often look for perfect when it does not exist. He has improved X and disclosed more evidence of the governments malfeasance. That is an improvement and as far as it goes I applaud him. The reliance of Tesla on government subsidies and support through green new deal policies is crap. Until all EV makers are forced to stand on their own, criticism is warranted. As for his ultimate purpose, I suspect as with any person like Elon, it is whatever is best for Elon at any given time. When those actions align with what is right, great. When they don’t bitch like heck.
Musk is a government grifter, and I’ll never trust him
The MSM wants to be the sole arbiter of who get to hate the Jews and who gets slurred as anti-semitic.
Elon is also being slurred as high on ketamine. Ketamine was used as a cat tranquilizer; how do you get high on a tranquilizer?
Here’s the bottom line regarding Musk: Musk is all about one person and one person only–MUSK!
If the DS tried to do even half the things to him that they’ve done to Trump, Musk would be a loud, proud Deep Stater and to hell with all his lofty sounding ideas about people’s rights!
Indeed! If the Borg crew was swarming all over Musk right about now we might start thinking he was a threat to the ship.
How could you trust anything that comes from the mouth of someone who has built his foundation radiating people and condoning child slave labor? People have no idea what they are doing to themselves with all the EMF exposure.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8914635/
Musk seems to be a “person” who wants to compete fairly and accept the truth, whatever that may be. He appears not real to me though, like Mike Pence. Alien or robot presence. TMFINR
I am with suspicious cat on Elon. He appears authentic but still I don’t see how you get into the position he is in with Space X and Tesla without the DS and the Global elites.
I also am against everything EV. They make no sense (except for fraudsters to make money off of).
I work alongside AI. It is sometimes shocking what it can’t do despite all the hype.
While I applaud Musk’s directive to the woke-advert machine to “GFY”, I am highly dubious of his intellectual prowess.
All fully electric vehicles are mega-polluters both in their manufacture and currently in their deconstruction.
Anthropogenic “climate change” is naught but a fraud. Full stop.
AI is being built by true nazis – it is being crafted on the same lies that the nazis of google encode in their search algorithms.
While Musk is an amusing chap, IMHO his future is brightest in the field of punching woke bullies in the mouth. And to that I say, Get ’em, Musk!
Dear @elonmusk
,
I have been attempting to spend money with your company X. I very much appreciate your commitment & investment to this platform & have been wanting to support your efforts to protect free speech since the beginning.
Your team however keeps suggesting they want me to conform or be a certain way on the platform in order to buy ads. Suggestions like, “algorithms may deprioritize accounts who comment on controversial issues….. Toyota doesn’t want to see their ads next to controversy. “
I frankly don’t care what conversation is taking place where I decided to buy an ad. Shame on me if I didn’t my audience was there to see my products.
My companies currently spend about $50M a year with Google & Meta. I would like to spend part of that with X.
Please have someone reach out to me.
Sincerely,
Grant Cardone
https://x.com/GrantCardone/status/1730032894624543087?s=20
Elon: ‘Go F**k Yourself’
Karl Denninger
“They want to play this game? They can. But they have to bet the company to do it.
Is it worth it?
No.
That doesn’t mean they won’t, but it does mean that if they do it the directors and officers, including the CEO, are exposed personally because its not “just business” its personal and deliberate, which means your D&O insurance is void.
For Musk he doesn’t care since nobody can sue him.
For Disney, and the rest, that’s not true; plenty of shareholders can sue them if they go down this road and lose.
It’s about damn time.”
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=250213
“For Disney, and the rest, that’s not true; plenty of shareholders can sue them if they go down this road and lose.”
I wonder any more if that is the case. I’ve a feeling that ESG gives broad indemnification. B-Corps actually do but seem to have fallen into disfavor.
I find Elon Musk to be an interesting man. He is involved deeply in the issue of free speech and he is bringing the censorship by government and corporations to everyone’s attention on almost every issue.
I cannot pretend to understand AI, or all its implications, but I do understand the danger of propaganda, and tyranny of the government and I do appreciate Mr. Musk for standing up and speaking out.
He is bringing sunlight to people through X, not otherwise, just by tackling the involvement of CIA at the old Twitter. He will vote for Trump and support Trump, imo. Not because he thinks Trump is perfect but because they are both willing to stand out against the powers that be.
The thing is Musk is a grifter. Most of his fortune was made by being in the right place at the right time but not being the innovator that was responsible. The worst is that he is a thief because he pushed his green energy crap that was only profitable by stealing our tax money.
He is correct however in his response to the Jewish Mafia. If you allow yourself to be blackmailed, even one time, you will be subject to extorsion and blackmail forever.
Bannon is on saying Elon Musk has the maturity of a nine year old child.
I think Elon has so much money, and he made it so easily and quickly that he does not have the perspective of most of mankind that “struggles” to get by and settles for what they get.
This money advantage might construct an immature outlook and may indeed be an immature outlook.
If only we had thousands of Elon’s. I see him as the leader of a rejection of extremes and a return to the middle. Musk is a thinker that doesn’t conform to any one ideology and if we had more of this we might be able to logically discuss issues and end up with a result that is best for the majority. Nobody would be happy but the vast bulk of people would be satisfied that at least one side, like communists or the weed party, didn’t totally get their way.
Elon Musk is a high-functioning autistic who is not encumbered with a “woke” frontal cortex. He analyzes things rationally and speaks candidly. He doesn’t care what you or I or they think. This us ok.
No heroes are perfect except Jesus Christ himself. That’s all there is to say about it.
I have not, do not and will not use X/Twitter. I have not, do not and will not own a Tesla. I have no investment of ANY kind with Musk. I do not trust nor distrust. He only exists and does what he does.
That said? I like a lot of what he does and standing up firmly to the left is amazing.
Can’t figure out his problem with voting for President Trump. Seems they both have similar opinions. Where’s the beef?
Love Elon. He and Trump are the only REAL MEN in the world that care about the truth and has fixed it.
“Tell it to the judge. The judge is the public.”
Touché, Elon.
Don’t fall for theatrics. You will know them by their fruits.