This is alarming, quite alarming. [H/T Collin Rugg] In a recent J6 case it has been revealed that Liberty Safe Co. gave the FBI background access codes to the safe and vault owned by the investigative target of the FBI, Nathan Hughes.
As the story is told, the FBI (federal govt) contacted the safe manufacturer and asked for a secret code that would open the safe. The FBI had a search warrant for the premises. Liberty Safe Co. gave the FBI the access code that would allow them to open the safe, without relying on (or asking) the owner to open it.
This is alarming on a few levels. First, why does Liberty even hold an override code for their safes. Second, why didn’t Liberty just tell the FBI they do not own the safe, therefore the issue of compliance is between the owner and the FBI?
Liberty Safe Co. responded:
This is a ridiculous position easily avoided by saying, “we don’t own the safe.” The bottom line is to avoid all the Liberty Safe products that allow them to access your private holdings, including gun safes and personal papers. If you own a Liberty Safe, just get rid of it. It’s compromised. Write it off to a lesson learned and forget about it.
Well, there’s another one biting the dust!
I never did get one of those – is that the one Sean Hannity touts?
He’s pushing Rhino safes.
Rhino or RINO?
Yeah Lev, the kind Cheney had in his office. RINO!
No need to get rid of it, just get a locksmith to change the combination, or the entire lock. Sergeant & Greenleaf makes the best locks.
Nope, there’s a manufacturer override in the digital lock. But there is a key, one could discard the keypad and have a locksmith re-key the old school lock.
The locks on liberty safes ARE S&G locks, it appears after some research.
Also I’m pretty sure this is for digital. However you have to assume both Liberty and S&G have a similar system for the dials in place.
If you didn’t comission/build the lock and safe both yourself/the individual artisan who you commissioned, there won’t be a thing safe about it.
Even then I mean any power tools can get in a safe even old school ones with concrete; diamond tip gets right through it all.
That said, that’s preferred. If the American Gestapo Nazis want in they will get in. But we should be making them do it the hardest way! Make them take all that time and money to brute force their way in.
The point is to make the entry obvious to the owner. This was (I’m sure) a sneak and peek warrant. (Did the safe company verify it in case they get dragged into court? They should demand a copy of it with the judge’s signature on it.
I’m incidentally in the process of doing that.
I will never purchase a Liberty Safe ever again.
I’m an avid shooter and collector, so I’m extremely familiar with the overall Zeitgeist of the 2A community, and I can assure Liberty that it is unforgiving and that its members never forget something like this.
From a purely business standpoint along, this is an incredibly foolish (we’re talking about Bud Light level marketing inanity here) move on Liberty’s part.
If it wanted to get some effective marketing out of this opportunity, it would have told the FBI to spoon a goose and defend itself in court if the FBI tries to obtain some type of compulsory discovery against Liberty.
And forgive the the marketing BS about Liberty caring about the privacy rights of its customers at the same time that it compromises them in favor of a government request.
Liberty won’t be selling safes to gun owners for a long, long time.
Meant to say “forget” instead of “forgive” in the penultimate sentence.
I grew up in that community and can’t imagine any gun owners buying a Liberty safe.
I’m in total agreement with you. I’ve owned a Liberty for almost ten years and I LOVED it until today.
Never Again…
Sundance is right, why not respond that they didn’t own it.
The FBI has their own locksmith’s on hand. They can seize/store a safe if their warrant outlined as much.
This reeks of more abuse/overreach by the bureau. Because their warrant didn’t stipulate their access into a secured safe, they contacted Liberty for a workaround.
What a disgraceful decision by Liberty’s management. Talk about a disconnect between company and customers. SMDH
Actually, Liberty is doing you a favor. If the FBI comes to your house with a valid search warrant that includes the safe and you don’t open it up they will either call a locksmith that specializes in safes or uses cutting tools to open the safe in which case it will be useless!
The 3 letter agency will “accidentally” post the codes online.
Every one of those “safes” is already useless.
Yes, that’s exactly what I did. Got rid of the electronic keypad lock and replaced it with a combination dial lock. I doubt they have an access code to that. SMDH
Question for the group: if it can be opened at any time without the owner’s approval, can it be called a “safe?”
Great point…..
Hilarious, actually…
Understand clearly folks:
If there is a “back door” into something you “own” or use that does not require PHYSICAL breaking in to access it is (1) NOT secure and (2) whoever sold it to you as having a SECURITY DEVICE WITHOUT disclosing that DEFRAUDED YOU and must be DESTROYED.
He should get his money back.
And sue them!
No. It is an illusion. Probably the access code will be leaked on the net. Or the FBI will use that as leverage on Liberty.
1. Appropriate response: If the owner not under duress requests help, we will consider it.
2. If FBI insists, then we wish to review the affadavit om support, and the scope of the warrant. Our legal counsel will discuss with whomever signed off. Imo probably a magistrate that would sign a leaf if it blew on his/her desk.
It’s owned since 2020 by a NYC based private equity group. Knowing that now, are you surprised at this situation at all?
Original owners not in the picture at all.
Thus, a 10 year old model is high quality. Current models are total trash and made with junk. But they still charge you 7k.
Too much credit in that given to the goobermint goons. Tell them nothing. Ever.
It’s a LIBERTY STORAGE CABINET!!!
can it be called a “safe?”
Or Liberty?
Checked quick, and that’s not our brand. Doesn’t mean ours isn’t just as spineless…
OK, I’m pretty dumb about these things. Ours is combination lock, not electronic. I remember when we bought it, the salesman asked if we were keeping the grandkids or the burglars away from what’s in there. We said burglars (or the government, but I repeat myself!) He says Walmart safes can be accessed with an axe.
In this video about another safe brand, the guy shows how to use the “manager code” to open a safe when you’ve lost your combination.
So, Liberty isn’t the only safe manufacturer with these company-held access codes.
But they shouldn’t disclose it to the damned enemy!
We have a Liberty safe. After receiving our safe a number of years ago, we programed our own code. How the hell could they even know what code we entered? Our safe is probably 15 years old and is free standing with no internet connection. This does not make any sense.
There could be a manufactures code. We used to have one on touch screens for packaging machinery.
They don’t know unless you tell them. In my manual it says when you program your code when you first get it, you may send them the code where they will keep it on file. If you forget it, they will send you your code for $25. I never gave them this code for this very reason
It’s called a “backdoor”. Basically, the manufacturer hardcodes a nonvolatile secret combination into the software that allows them to open the safe whenever they want.
I’m sure most companies in Germany accommodated the Gestapo’s requests for information. As most companies do for the FIB today. History repeats is cliche for a reason.
if only there was a word for when authoritarian governments and private business collude together against their own citizens….
If only there was…..
Small companies in America are under the lawfare guns of the deep state. Comply or you’ll fold.
This is global fascism or what I call neo-fascism.
Those who control the world’s money supply control Blackrock, afforded unlimited capital to create multinational monopolies, which control all politicians and the Stasi, which put non-compliant corporations out of business and any threats in jail.
For now, they need us only to keep their the machine running. Soon, very soon, we need to turn the tables. Where is the weak point?
Electrical transformers. The big ones.
Wait until tommorrow and see stock price.
The company below owns liberty safes.
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/CODI/
Liberty has already been assimilated into the global trash compactor. CODI sold them.
WESTPORT, Conn., July 19, 2021 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) — Compass Diversified (NYSE: CODI) (“CODI”), an owner of leading middle market businesses, today announced it has entered into a definitive agreement to sell its majority owned subsidiary, Liberty Safe Holding Corporation, the parent company of Liberty Safe and Security Products, Inc. (“Liberty” or “the Company”), to an affiliate of Monomoy Capital Partners (“Monomoy”),
Monomoy specializes in gobbling up “Family Owned, Carve-Outs, and Take-Privates”
And Monomoy has been fined bigly in the past. https://www.sec.gov/enforce/ia-5485-s
Declared a dividend on 7/19/23…am sure by now its been paid?
The following article appears after the quote:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/compass-diversified-nyse-codi-could-185358134.html
And a high level of debt to equity…not good to start with.
So a Bud Light move on them kills them. Unlike with Bud Light, this company, or subsidiary goes under. And…yeah people lose their jobs. Maybe people will stop siding with communists if they know they can lose their job. Yeah, its not as flashy as what the left does to INDIVIDUALS but unlike the left, we take out hundreds of drones.
Oh, they may not know…..please…they know, they work there.
Keep your Liberty safe. Take everything out but leave a simple sign, “F*** You FBI.”
Let the FBI waste a lot of time breaking into empty safes.
Hide your stuff elsewhere.
More than 100 years after the Civil War, an excavation in downtown Nashville revealed a complete Confederate cannon with wheels still attached.
If someone wants to get into your safe, all they have to do is hold a gun to your head or a family member and Say “Open the Safe”
What do you do then?
My answer – go ahead shoot! Anyways there is no guarantee that you or your family will be spared once the criminals get what they want.
Call me callous, but brave man dies only once.
Unless you are resourceful enough to bring down the hammer on the criminals holding you hostage, I will call it an end.
Bravery in my book is to stand up for what is right … no matter how trivial!
So…safes can be “hacked” but voting machines can not.
I learn something new every day.
and both are for your own good. because they care about your rights.
No different than Apple freely handing passcodes of iPhone users to federal authorities.
Thank you for the sunlight!
MAGA 🙏🏻🙏🏻👊👊🇺🇸🇺🇸❤️❤️
From a customer service standpoint, these “managerial” or “administrator” codes make sense.
Think of them like network passwords with multiple passwords all providing access to the same thing.
There are at least a hundred videos on YouTube showing how to change the digital combination on a gun safe.
The safe could change hands and/or combinations multiple times, from the time the original owner submitted their combination with their registration.
It stands to reason that the manufacturer would have a safe-specific overriding code or combination, which could be provided to the current owner to allow them to reset their combination.
The issue here is what Liberty did when they provided that code to the FBI and it creates a certain level of distrust in the minds of past, present, and future customers.
Not a great marketing move, in my opinion.
Budweiser executives: “Hey, lets see if we can trash our corporate brand name and reputation!”
Liberty Safe: “Here, hold our beer….”
fbLIE are not law enforcement! They are tyranny enforcement.
They stole my wife’s 12ga earlier this year.
This gestapo-esque group of damned traitors has no authority to exist, much less to harass, arrest, & persecute patriots.
How can anyone at Liberty Safe pretend to be unaware of these blatantly obvious facts?!?
there are a lot of people still coming to terms with where we are as a former republic.
i can also appreciate that the fascists have their tentacles in enough places they could make life very difficult for any company that refuses to comply.
but eventually we are going to have to realize that withdrawal of consent involves a lot more than just saying it is so.
They can’t provide a “manufacturer’s” code to a safe that doesn’t have a serial number.
Think about it.
You probably have the fix to the problem in your tool box or work shop.
Unless it is the same for all safes
Imagine if they had a single code for all their safes.
The first time they gave out that code, EVERY safe they ever made would be vulnerable to anyone with that code.
No, each safe would need to have its own “manufacturer’s” code or combination in addition to the customer-assigned combination.
No more electronic locks: everything can be hacked.
How many think the company should be sued for selling safes and not disclosing the back door business up front. They might as well say they are selling safes for the policing agencies. I believe this also violates our rights to privacy in our homes. I see a class action law suit coming and a bankruptcy.
How do you say too big government! It don’t matter, just do it!
Andrew B.”WAR”
Who’s willing to stop this?
tacticalcivics.com
Wow! I can’t believe the company would both do this and issue the statement that it did.
Boating accident
This country’s going tiiits up in an awful hurry…..I almost don’t want to read the news anymore.
Keep in a non digital safe enough valuables to satisfy a search.
Hide the rest in a few spots only you and persons you trust know about.
Be advised that anything you own manufactured by any company that requires a code to open it has a universal backdoor code.
Your electronic locks, your safes, your wireless router, the broadband modem wireless router from your cable company if you have one.
All of them.
Just replace the brains of the lock. The safe in-and-of-itself isn’t the problem. If you want a plug-n-play solution, likely it will always have a backdoor. If you are an adventurous soul, look into ‘Arduino’, you can make something but remember to take excellent notes and make yourself a drill diagram just-in-case. Pro-tip, make sure to internally ground whatever you put inside & shield it else you risk the safe being opened by static/distance lightening flashes etc.
It would be nice to have a “honey pot” safe anchored and filled with scrap cast iron while all your cordless hole punchers are in a safer location.
Can the lock be replaced with a mechanical lock? I used to work for a bank that would reset combinations. But if the combo was lost they had to drill out the lock.
If anyone wants to get rid of a Liberty safe in the NOLA area, hit me up. I’ve been wanting a decoy for a while. I’ll put some bricks in it and lock it up. Meanwhile, anything important I own will be secured/concealed elsewhere, where I can get to it quickly. Guns? Don’t know what ur tawkin’ bout ocifer!
I have an old Liberty, I think before they had digital anything. It has the ordinary dial and key. Don’t have a problem with it but wouldn’t buy a new one from them. If the government wants to get into your safe it going to happen. Liberty just saved them a few hours.
Exactly. They want into your property, then make them work for it.
Doesn’t matter what the safe is if law enforcement has a warrant. If the can not open a safe they will just seize the whole safe.
So be it. The issue is Liberty Safe has sold a product to you and now it’s your property…it doesn’t belong to them anymore. The warrant would only apply to the actual owner of the safe and Liberty should be hands off at the point of sale.
This. And this is the issue.
Notice they also don’t say they’re eliminating the practice of back door safe codes…
The best way to refuse a warrant like this is to simply NOT HAVE A BACK DOOR in the first place.
A stupid practice and an utterly tone deaf explanation.
Every safe manufacturer has a record of the combination that the safe came with, and if the owner doesn’t change it, then it will continue to work. I’m pretty sure that there isn’t some override code or backdoor that works on all safes from Liberty safes.
I don’t know where Last Refuge got the part about an “override code”. The tweet that Last Refuge references in the article says, “In a statement Liberty Safe confirmed they gave the FBI Hughes’ code:”. It says Hughes’ code, implying his specific safe’s code, not an override code.
Liberty safe doesn’t make their own safe locks. I know that they use/have used both Sargent & Greenleaf locks and Securam locks. If there is some kind of backdoor or override code that works on these locks, then any safe manufacturer that uses these locks would have the same issue. Since this would severely impact the security of these locks, I find it exceedingly unlikely that any respected lock manufacturer would do this. Sargent & Greenleaf are generally regarded to be among the best; I don’t know about Securam.
When presented with a valid search warrant, if a safe manufacturer doesn’t provide the government with the information that they have, they would be in contempt of court. I doubt that any other safe manufacturer would respond differently from Liberty when presented with a search warrant.
If the government has a search warrant and wants to get into a safe, they can just brute force it. An angle grinder or cutoff saw will make fairly quick work of most consumer level safes. They aren’t really designed to stand up to such an attack. The idea that a safe provides security against a government search warrant is nonsense.
If you’re going to throw out a Liberty safe because they comply with search warrants or because they have a record of the initial combination for a safe, then you may as well throw out every mass produced safe made. Consumer level safes are designed to provide a basic level of security from most amateur attacks. They won’t stop professionals, the government, or amateurs with the proper tools who don’t care about making a lot of noise.
No. They are shipped with code 123456. There is a safe specific code. They are tied to the purchaser and shipping address. Partner with another. Swap safes, grind off the serial number.
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Total backdoor.
I have a Liberty safe. The original combination wasn’t 123456. I believe that there is a 7 digit maintenance code which is unique to each safe. It’s primary purpose is to assist people who change their original combination and then forget it. I don’t think that Liberty would give the safe specific maintenance code to anyone without adequate proof of legitimate ownership, or to the government in the case of a search warrant.
That’s disappointing!
Read every single word of this article and you’ll see what’s coming.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/08/state-rep-demands-investigation-after-seven-vehicles-carrying/
The rights of the Muslim terrorists in San Bernardino were more protected. Apple should make their move into the safe business.
I guess there are two things I’d like answers to… How did the FBI know that he had the safe to begin with?
Was it an electronic safe? How did they get a separate pass code? Aren’t they set at the persons home?
Someone who has been in his Home undoubtedly told them during interview/ questioning.
If someone in his home told the FIBs the code, Liberty would not be putting out a lame statement.
I think a knee jerk reaction is unwarranted. Perhaps a better course of action would be for the owners of Liberty Safes to file a class action against them to stop them from giving access to safes the customers own.
Safes can be broken into just by drilling. It might take a while and involve several drill bits, but just drilling into a safe will work.
Now, why would a safe company have a way to override their customers’ codes? That’s the question.
Just why? Worse, how can this actually happen? Seriously? The safe company sells the safe, but has no way to get back into your safe by codes. Or, should not.
Are these safes linked to the internet? Or, what I suspect, is that these safes have real vulnerabilities that are built in and available to anyone in the know.
you destroy the safe but the sides can be opened like a tin can when you swing a sharp axe.
I am not gonna throw the Baby out with the bathwater! LOL
Here’s the deal, if you registered your safe with the manufacturer after purchasing it, that allows them to know what you have, serial # etc. etc.
A mechanical combination safe has a combination assigned at the factory, so if you register it, it is in their records!
Liberty uses a Sargent & Greenleaf manual lock.
And, for $20 you can buy a Combination Lock Change Key and enter your own combination, the key comes with instructions on how to do it.
Therefore, you can circumvent the whole issue, and “The safe must be OPEN to change the combination” so it can be defeated!! They can’t open it without the combination.
Make them work for it!! LOL
Elecronic locks?? I have no idea, however a cheap one I had years ago you simply lift off the face an remove battery holder and a skeleton key would open it that was furnished with the safe.
Never trusted electronics
So basically if you bought one of their safes you didn’t actually buy it if they can access everything in it.
Demand a refund.
If your looking for protections GET RID OF YOUR DAMN phone. Both iPhones and androids are privacy and security risks.
Get a de-googled privacy phone. Buy a Google Pixel and go to https://calyxos.org/ to get the operating system.
If those 1000 J6 attendees had privacy phones they would have never been caught!
Why are you kvetching about a safe when you all carry spy devices in your pocket?
I own two Liberty safes. They came with the house when I bought it. The owner gave me the codes to it and said I could call Liberty for instructions on how to change them.
I called Liberty and verified the model and serial numbers, and they told me how to change the code.
I suspect they either have a backdoor code or a way to put in a generic code that they gave to the FBI. I also suspect they compromised every Liberty safe of the model this guy had.
What a rotten company.
Regardless of the warrant, if the owner refused to provide a code, wouldn’t the FBI have to go to court to compel the owner to provide the code?
It really doesn’t give me a warm fuzzy to know they will so readily hand out a code to the feds.
That sucks they were put in that position but the fact remains they are saying that there was an ORDER signed by a judge. So they were in a no win situation at that point. Did anyone ever consider the 2 birds w one stone theory? Liberty has been considered an ardent supporter of 2A and now their business is trashed unless they come out with a statement saying they will no longer keep emergency access codes for their safes. I can see a poor widow or 2 being very grateful they had an override, or there’s another government regulation we’ve never heard of that requires all safe makers to have an override of some sort. Either way they had an order from a judge commanding they to give the codes to the feds. Someone would’ve went went to jail had they not complied. So ask yourself, if you were an owner of a multi million dollar business are you going to risk being shut down for not following a judges order? The Bud Light thing is apples n oranges. And btw,the feds could’ve “searched” their premises for the codes if they didn’t comply. Which means they shut down all business until they find them. Which could’ve taken days, weeks, months. Lose/lose situation for them.
“That sucks they were put in that position but the fact remains they are saying that there was an ORDER signed by a judge.”
If by “they” you mean Liberty Safe, then NO there was no order signed by a judge forcing Liberty Safe to give the FBI access to Nathan Hugh’s property.
I seriously doubt that any judge could even legally order a business to give the FBI access to some other private individual’s personal property.
Have you by any chance heard of the 4th Amendment to the United States Constitution?
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized
Yeah, warrants are not permitted to be issued for a fishing expedition.
Yea, actually I was a cop for 25 yrs so I’m very familiar with the constitution you condescending dimwit. If you can process your simple reading skills you would see that their statement says they were presented w a warrant. A legal warrant is an order signed by a judge ordering the officers to execute the indtructions therein. As well as ordering the named business and or person to allow a search of and for the things described in the warrant. If they do not conply they could be jailed and fined and the LE agency can use the amount of force necessary to execute said warrant if the entity does not comply. I’m pretty sure Liberty Safe’s statement said they were presented with a warrant. So imo they were in a very precarious position. And yes in this country a safe can be sesrched given probable cause.
With the search of the real POTUS residence for a contrived investigation that had no basis in law, the search of candidate Trumps communications as well as all of his close allies communicatons from a sedious conspiracy contrived by his opposition, a number of false and sedcious impeachment hearings, and a stolen presdiential election you don’t believe someone who is accused of wrongdoing in J6 could have his constitutional right trampled on? Then you a lot dumber than your comment discloses.
This is the problem with Americans today on both sides. People can’t just be civil in their debate. You are part of the problem and that’s why our Republic is dead. Just because you can recite an amendment to the constitution doesn’t make you an intellectual.
And for the record I’m not sticking up for them I’m just looking at the other side of the coin. The government is off the rails and because the people are not telling them no, we are allowing them to be corrupted. With that corruption they have the power to swallow the weak and the strong with one bite unless we stand together. Then and only then can we defeat this evil. Condescending comments like yours are what devides this nation.
I don’t own a Liberty Safe and now I’d never buy one. But obviously the globalists plan is working out on this one. They are destroying a safe company once thought to stand for freedom that is now obviously run by corporate lawyers. They made it public to make the people argue and frightened. And you came at me in a foul manner without any justification. I don’t really care about what you said, except for your tone. You’ve already lost your fight. But like you I’m frustrated with the people and why we are allowing this to happen. We should all be more respectful and work together to try to take the power back from this evil and not fight amongst ourselves.
And one last thing, this is kind of a gift from Liberty and the government if you think about it. If you have a digital lock on your safes I would bet there’s a backdoor now to almost every mass produced safe in this country. The government revealed a secret. You all might want to capitalize on it if you don’t want them or some criminal waltzing in and taking your stuff. More for criminals than the government, because the government will take it if they can any way they can with a warrant. They’ll get it open, just how hard do you want them to work for it is tge question? So more for the criminal who isn’t supported by the government I guess. If I had a safe w a digital lock that is mass produced I’d find a lock that has some guarantees behind them and maybe go old school.
From an article on thefederalist.com:
“A spokesman at Ft. Knox, a national gun safe and vault company, told The Federalist his company would only divulge safe combinations to law enforcement if a court specifically ordered it or a search warrant specifically named his company. He reiterated flatly that his company would never do what Liberty did without a court order.
Browning Safes, Champion Safe Co., and American Security (AMSEC) did not immediately respond to The Federalist’s request for comment. Their websites also did not explicitly state their policy on granting federal officials entry into their customers’ safes.”
Full article here:
https://thefederalist.com/2023/09/06/liberty-safe-let-fbi-seize-customers-gun-safe-contents-without-a-court-order/
Since the FBI went to Liberty Safes it would seem that it was specifically named in the search warrant.
Link video clip
They are now toast! Maybe they can polish up their current image with a Dylon Mulvaney plug and a stock buy up by Bill Gates..