This is alarming, quite alarming. [H/T Collin Rugg] In a recent J6 case it has been revealed that Liberty Safe Co. gave the FBI background access codes to the safe and vault owned by the investigative target of the FBI, Nathan Hughes.
As the story is told, the FBI (federal govt) contacted the safe manufacturer and asked for a secret code that would open the safe. The FBI had a search warrant for the premises. Liberty Safe Co. gave the FBI the access code that would allow them to open the safe, without relying on (or asking) the owner to open it.
This is alarming on a few levels. First, why does Liberty even hold an override code for their safes. Second, why didn’t Liberty just tell the FBI they do not own the safe, therefore the issue of compliance is between the owner and the FBI?
Liberty Safe Co. responded:
This is a ridiculous position easily avoided by saying, “we don’t own the safe.” The bottom line is to avoid all the Liberty Safe products that allow them to access your private holdings, including gun safes and personal papers. If you own a Liberty Safe, just get rid of it. It’s compromised. Write it off to a lesson learned and forget about it.
I am about to buy a safe. Perfect timing to say FLSC!
Me too. My son asked me if I want a keypad entry or old school. I couldn’t decide. This article has made my decision.
I will be going with old school.
Thank you Sundance!
I searched long for a dial combination type safe that would hold all my guns. Hard to find but fortunately Dick’s (I know they suck) had one they were clearing out.
I dont own any guns.
Not the point.
it’s a joke son
You completely missed the point.
😆 nor do I! Unfortunate boating accident.
Port side or starboard? Mine went starboard.
Did yours fall in the lake also?
Me neither. Guns bad.
And in response, the IRS will have ‘safe crackers’ on the payroll.
If they don’t already.
Okay, but…the IRS doesn’t seem to be the best and brightest.
Worrying, considering they have guns…lots of them.
Yeah, but do they know which end points away?
I’m guessing they are told the end the bullet-y thing comes out of…
Hopefully they are diversity hires who can handle complicated number sequences, like 2+2=5.
But, as the old joke goes, 2 plus 2 does equal 5 for sufficiently large values of 2.
Didn’t they bring a safe cracker to Mar-a-Lago?
Great move. In nearly all cases “ old school “ is best.
From foodstuffs, to exercise, health care money
management you name it.
Cheers!
Dekester: Agree. When it comes to survival and security, old school is the way to go.
Many of these safes use Securam* keypad/lock combo.
They have a “locksmith” code and to my knowledge if you document your ownership you too can receive a master code if you are unable to unlock. your device.
* https://securamsys.com/safelocks/?wpmeteordisable=1
BONGO!!!!
Retired Magistrate here: My husband and I are old and are old school. Both of our parents made it through the Depression and World War II and passed on valuable pointers on how to survive: make do, re use it or do without. It has served us well through the years. If something works fine, keep it. Just because a product is new does not make it better or safer.
I think we need to presume that all safe companies do this. Find a different way to protect your goods.
Exactly, and “old school” won’t really help, much.
As we saw with MAL raid, they just bring a safe cracker (locksmith) with them.
Good. Force them to bring the safe cracker and open the old school safe in an old school manner.
Just like all phone companies and all social media companies will willingly and indeed happily provide all your personal info and history without a court order compelling them to do so.
I would hold no grudge if a judge ordered Liberty Safe to provide and they complied. But they had no legal obligation to provide it.
Yeah, nowhere have I read that it was for the safe , or does that fall under premises. If was a FFL why wasn’t it specified.
D,
True but when we “ think out of the box” they are unlikely to find the safe of anyone that despises the government.
These fibbies aren’t smart, they have just been used to targeting the trusting.
F#*k em!
Cheers!
“These fibbies aren’t smart, they have just been used to targeting the trusting.”
Excellent statement, matches my experience so far.
Dek,
Yours is the astute observation of the day so far…. 👍👍
Thanks, but that observation came from our 3 year old grandson.😉
Wow. Pass along my sincere respect to your grandson for expressing “wisdom beyond his years.”
😎
This old lady says that in this day and age, TRUST NOBODY BUT YOURSELF.
Per the estimable and much missed B.B. King: “Nobody loves me but my mother…and she could be jivin’, too!”
BE CERTAIN this story has prevented you from using their products and that you are sharing this information with all of your peers and business associates.
FJB has ensured I no longer have anything of value…so “what difference does it make”?
How many of YOU have accounts with Bank of America, Chase Manhattan and others who gave up the ALL customer ATM, debit and credit card transactioins on their cards within a 20 mile radius of the capital on 6 January 2017? How about American and United Airlines who also gave it up to the jackboot? And to THIS VERY DAY still keep them? Too much “trouble” to get rid of them let alone tell them why? Oh, I see.
Not me said the mycroft. Local 5 branch credit union here.
Unfortunately my wife will not stop using chase. Sigh.
Here’s the deal, if you registered your safe with the manufacturer after purchasing it, that allows them to know what you have, serial # etc. etc.
A mechanical combination safe has a combination assigned at the factory, so if you register it, it is in their records!
Liberty uses a Sargent & Greenleaf manual lock.
And, for $20 you can buy a Combination Lock Change Key and enter your own combination, the key comes with instructions on how to do it.
Therefore, you can circumvent the whole issue, and “The safe must be OPEN to change the combination” so it can be defeated!! They can’t open it without the combination.
Make them work for it!! LOL
Elecronic locks?? I have no idea, however a cheap one I had years ago you simply lift off the face an remove battery holder and a skeleton key would open it that was furnished with the safe.
Never trusted electronics
How soon will the 3 letter agency will “accidentally” post the back-door codes online ?
Along with “accidentally” posting the safe’s owner’s addresses ?
Is there a unique secret code for each Liberty safe, or one master unique secret code for all Liberty safes? If the Feds now have the master unique secret code, then they don’t need to go through Liberty for each warrant.
Just a GUESS, but it’s probably based upon a safe’s serial number. At least that’s way I’d do it if I manufactured them.
If it’s my safe, I should be the only one with the relevant data/information access into it.
That said, my Ford truck has a keyless entry pad and the factory access code cannot be changed or disabled.
So much for “personal privacy” It ain’t no more.
Retired Magistrate here: Our 1990 Chevrolet Truck has a key, which we have, which starts the truck.
And only five keys. Does it time out if you randomly press the keys?
I think the bigger point here is – they *arrested* the man at *gun point* & cuffed his girlfriend. Arrested because of Jan 6th, 2+ years ago.
No doubt they would have gotten into his safe without the combo – however, still a message to all of us – we can do this anytime, anywhere!!!!!!
The girlfriend wasn’t even there on January 6. Under what authority did they arrest her?????
Guilt by association
And sent a man to prison for 22yrs who wasn’t even in DC on Jan 6th
Thanks for being so vigilant, Sundance.
Fools
They just Bud-Lighted their company.
Speaking of, did you see Bill Gates bought $100 million worth of a Budweiser stock?
Buy low. Disgusting man
https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/06/investing/bill-gates-bud-light-shares/index.html
Hope he “goes broke” also.
Unfortunately, that’s not likely. $100M is chump change to Gates, since he is currently estimated to be worth about $108 Billion (with a “B”).
Maybe we can Bud Light Bill gates too
One hundred million more reasons to never buy an A-B product.
As a major shareholder, he’ll force them to add some of his Maxine products into the mix???
The heir to the Anhauser Bucsh fortune has said the he seriously wants to purchase back Budweiser and to retire his ancestors’ legacy.
Not surprisingly Billionaire Billy probably knows some that we peons, peasants and servants are unaware of…..
Uhm…..
….to restore his ancestors’ legacy.
He is obviously distraught over what occurred.
Has Gates floated the trial balloon of putting vaccines in beer?
Sorry – didn’t see this before I posted similar comment.
whatever you do, don’t ask the other safe manufacturers what their policy is… i bet we will be disappointed.
Screw electronic anything. Old school is best.
IIRC, Trump’s safe was empty. How did the FBI open that safe.
At least it was empty
Sounds almost like he played them!
Obviously a rat or more at M-Lago. Trump employs a small staff there who are present at least M-F and besides them is assigned a secret “service” detachment. As an aside, the upcoming courtroom circus to include 19 or thereabouts dependent upon cases which may be severed from the rest as orchestrated by this marxist pig Willis (Atlanta) and the other “jurisdictions” I wonder how they plan to handle the SS who’s charged of course to be with PDT all the time. If one, and all it takes is one (1) conviction, what happens then. This is just more one thing that also doesn’t enter the minds of the normies.
I have always found that interesting.. It was empty so why didn;t they try to raid
BEdminster or Trump Tower as I would assume he also has safes there as well.
Likely he takes whatever is in his safe with him when he goes to his different
propertys for any length of time. Why would he leave anything of value in a safe
in a residence he is not currently living in…
It’s almost like they were looking for something specific. And they didn’t find it.
Empty or full it can be opened with a warrant.
The Liberty Unsafe Company
Timely article. Liberty off the list.
The lying and obfuscation in the response by No Liberty Not Safe is appalling.
I wonder if they disclosed to their customers that they can access their safes and will assist law enforcement accessing a safe that they no longer own?
No Liberty Not Safe needs to go out of business.
It is possible to to change the lock mechanisms. Best done by a locksmith
How is to say the new mechanism doesn’t have a master combination that it’s manufacturer will share with the Govies? This Digital Age sucks on many levels.
I repeat , do not store your guns on site.
I moved all my guns off site once I hired the sniper who lives on my roof…
Safes with mechanical Simplex locks are a good alternative
There are no safes that can not be opened, if someone is sufficiently determined.
If nothing else, cut it open with thermite, easily made in your kitchen, with readily available ingredients, and burns at just under 4000 degreesF. and the only thing that can withstand it is high temp ceramics.
If they have a warrant, there GONNA get in. Not sure I understand all of the outrage, frankly.
because no one should assist a fascist in any way.
This.
As I previously commented, two minutes and you can access most safes of this type. The reason for a lockable safe is not to stop the feds.
+1 Muley. You fixed it for him.
And if the company refuses then what happens?
Didn’t have a warrant, forcing the liberty safe company to give out the information.
because it’s morally equivalent to saying “the government is going to do evil so I might as well aid and abet them in their evil”
dutchman, this is the issue “They should have told the FBI to pound sand, but they didn’t and that is an issue”
Yes, DanQ. Never forget that the government works for us and that Liberty Safe’s business depends on making it’s customer’s privacy a priority.
The assumption that government knows best should have been laid to rest in 1776.
Wait, the government works for us? So I should just go up to any Armed Government Agent and just tell him to stop! And he has to stop ’cause I’m his boss!
Stop taking Blue Pills. The government doesn’t work for anybody – it is, by definition, a monopoly on violence in a given territory. Employees are voluntary, States are force.
Because they did not ask the owner to open it.. chances are the warrant did not cover the safe only the property the safe sat on
How is the safe NOT part of the property?
Liberty markets itself to people who do not trust the government.
Now Liberty has cooperated with the government.
Yes, if there is a warrant the FBI is going to get in. Liberty did not have to make it easy for the FBI to get in. By making it easy for the FBI to get in, Liberty decided to protect its corporate interests rather than the interests of its customers.
Liberty picked a side, and in doing so completely betrayed the values it built its public image on.
That is the outrage.
Outrage not? This is anything the Feds can gin up fake cases for warrants to go after everyone who own guns!
Burning bar cuts metal, concrete, mostly everything.
Mechanical locks where the combination can be changed by the user are the ONLY alternative because I suspect any electronic/electromechanical lock will have a unique for each safe “backup combo” for customers who forget their combination.
There’s a selling point for safe manufacturers who use electronic/electromechanical locks – advertise that with their mechanisms there IS NO cheat code they can give you or anyone else and that you should write down your combination, perhaps in multiple, non-obvious places.
In the end, though, forced mechanical entry will eventually do the job for anyone who really wants in your safe.
Backdoor code is for people who forget their codes.
What is concerning is if this “master” code will unlock all safes in their lineup or is specific to a serial # on a safe.
They should have told the FBI to pound sand, but they didnt and that is an issue.
One could get a locksmith to change out the locks as well and that is what I am going to ask Liberty to do…PAY a locksmith to install a different brand of lock.
Since I’m assuming the Feds hadn’t yet been on site, they wouldn’t have had the serial number for the safe. (But, that begs the question of how the Feds even knew the owner had a Liberty safe???) Also, since Liberty safes are sold by independent distributors, the company wouldn’t have had the serial number unless the owner sent in some sort of product registration form (unlikely). Therefore, it is safe to assume the trustworthy Feds now have the master code for all Liberty safes.
“…lesson learned and forget about it”?
Damn, Sundance, the ‘lessons’ we’re learning are growing exponentially every friggin’ day.
Sorry, not forgetting here.
(By the way, I’ll assume that same fbi already has copies of every comment I’ve made on this site).
safe assumption.
but i will not quiet down.
It’s “safe” to say you won’t “crack”? Sorry, couldn’t resist.
Charlie Kirk is all over this on his show today.
down goes liberty
Liberty’s lawyers were probably fearing an obstruction of justice or hindering prosecution charge against their client. As we have seen, nothing is off the table with those currently holding power. Surely this issue must have previously been addressed by some court in the country.
Now they’ll be fearing for their jobs as Liberty cuts its retainer fees due to lost business.
I will never buy a product from this company.
Here we go again…
https://www.theburningplatform.com/2021/07/19/did-black-rifle-coffee-just-sell-out-to-the-dark-side/
An article from 2 years ago??
Would you like a more recent article?
Never Gets Old
No link bur I had read about a year or so ago that they had already gone to the dark side.
Yes, thats why they are all naked and exposed in the picture. Just like ‘Liberty’ Safe is about to be exposed.
The metaphor
Youre referring to Black Rifle Coffee going to the dark side, right?
Time to make corporations realize their customers are the people and not the government. This goes for far more companies than “Liberty”. Imagine marketing yourself under that name as a safe company and then giving away the code to a product they don’t own once they’ve sold it.
In my mispent youth, I was a lifestyle thief, what they call a “career criminal” and at one point I burglarised a locksmith shop: got several sets of lockpicks, a complete set of “master” i.e. “bump” keys, a drill press with electromagnet mount, and a book that told surefire ways to drill/punch all major brands of safes.
In addition to owners losing the combo, amatuers try “cracking” and while unsuccessful, bungup the safe so the owner can’t get in, and needs to call a locksmith.
So, of coarse any safe company is going to have a “backdoor” way to gain entry, and of coarse they are going to give it to the FBI, with a warrant.
“Suppose it was a dope dealer, child pornographer or islamic terrorists safe?”
See, we already passed that barrier, sometime back, when we SHOULD have said “You mean ALLEGED drug dealer, etc. They retain a PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE!” But, we said “Oh, drug dealer, child pornographer, islamic terrorist you say? Well, then screw their Constitutional rights!”
And now, we pay the price.
“First, they went after the mafia, and I wasnot mafia, so I said nothing.
Then, they went after the drug dealers, and I was not a drug dealer, so entrapment was fine with me.
And then they framed islamic extreamists, for headlines and I wasfine with that,…too.
And then they came after me, for J6, and I said “Hey, where did everybody go?”
Food for thought…
you have their safe. Somewhere along the line, say, some expensive jewelry is stored in it and goes missing.
I wonder if the insurance companies, assuming one has the appropriate ‘riders’ on the policies…will cover the losses?
This is what happens when BHO and Congress at the time bestow rights onto Corporations as if they are in fact a single real citizen of the U.S.
Corporations should not have that status and it needs to be undone. That stops this dead in it’s tracks.
Corporations had those rights before Obama, but I do agree with you that they should be undone. The government also allowed these companies to get around paying taxes, and now they have amassed such wealth that is virtually untaxed. They have grown stronger, while we the individual is taxed greatly and grows weaker because of it.
You should all be careful what yo u say here. The 3 letters are here reading in and they can run your “stage name” icon right damn down to your ip address. They already know who I am. Though this will be lost on many here it is in fact a teachable moment by a guy I went to HS with years ago and to my surprise I found on ut00be about 3 months ago.
amazing how many people are so open to giving up their rights. first it was “don’t take the bait” by doing anything… now its “watch what you say” in your own home.
good luck out there.
Closer and closer to Soviet Tyranny.
I no longer care. And that’s the only attitude that works. Either we are quiet or we’re not. The Feds know everything about everyone. Just a Fact. Doesn’t matter how many firewalls you use.
Anyone lurking or posting here, that doesn’t realise this is a public forum, can be viewed by ANYBODY, and those you speak of can easily take a unique phrasing in your posted comment, do a search and trace it back to you, without ever bothering sundance, are too naive to pose a threat to anyone.
I had a TS decades ago so they know all about me therefore I don’t lose sleep over what I post.
We are puppies squealing in a basket.
The really dangerous people aren’t playing silly social media games.
I’ll say whatever I want, when I want, about whom I want…as long as I don’t threaten them direct harm….fudge off.
Those of us who have come here for a long time are well aware the government is here watching. But guess what our rights are God given, not man made.
Don’t let them scare you into compliance. Stand up for yourself. Speak up and speak out.
“Those of us who have come here for a long time are well aware the government is here watching. But guess what our rights are God given, not man made.”
The surprising part will be finding out just who might be who, should we be so fortunate to find out, that is.
Man has no God given rights.
Man only has the “rights” he is willing to fight for and who exactly fought for his rights in 2020?
What we have today is because people fought in the past. Who and how are we fighting for?
Well, let’s see here….. can’t trust that buying a 10K safe will protect your stuff from government thieves and you can’t trust a safe deposit box to protect your stuff from government thieves. You can also rest-assured the government can access your e-mails, computer, cell phone, etc directly and without a warrant any time for any made-up reason (lie) they concoct. ATT and Microsoft will see to that.
Maybe grandma and grandpa weren’t so far off stuffing that mattress…….
Mattress ‘banks’ will be worthless when they declare paper money is worthless and exchange it for digital currency.
Then they won’t even have to bust down your door to steal your money.
We own nothing… and as long as you aren’t aware of it, you will be happy.
They might as well put a “TSA” label on it… all that label means to me is “it’s not secure.”
Posted this earlier on the Pres page – Outrageous!
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/gun-safe-manufacturer-liberty-safe-gives-fbi-access/
I am a retired from an industry that uses safes. In no way should a safe company have any code to safes that they sell.
Deep state propagandist Sean Hannity promotes these safes.
Well I’ll be dipped
My grandma said the bra is safest safe you can have followed by under the mattress
Have you ever tried carrying a 44 mag. In your bra? Ouch….
FYI, I believe Cabela’s branded safes are made by Liberty Safe Company or at least they were the last time I checked.
I’m old enough to remember … as a I was taught at UC Berkeley … that corporations just; exploited workers, and existed only to profit from the labors of the proletariat. Now … corporations exist just to serve their government masters.
Kenji, I have long held the idea that the corporations would not pay the workers, if they could get away with it.
If you get paid a decent wage thank a Union member.
Or an ethical business owner who agreed to that wage. It almost alway depends on the employer’s valuation of your particular skillset.
Duly forwarded. Buh Bye Liberty!!!
Name of the company is false advertising.
I do not own gun safes. They are heavy, cumbersome to move, and not foolproof.
I built a false wall instead that’s rather well concealed.
Also, the choice to give the FBI a method to access this safe tells you just how many corporate bootlickers are out there.
Nice.
LOL “Liberty” safes. What a master trolling of a customer base!
The company has the liberty to open your safe whenever they want ha ha ha!
I used to have a liberty safe with dial lock and it came with the code printed on a sheet of paper. I ended up losing the sheet and had to submit a notarized form in order for liberty to send me another sheet, with the same code. There is no way for the customer to set their own code.
If the safe in question here had a dial lock, then liberty wouldn’t have given the fbi a backdoor code, they would have just given the code. So that might answer SD’s first question.
As for the second, couldn’t liberty been charged with obstruction or some such jazz if they had refused to cooperate, give that even though they didn’t own the safe, they did possess the code?
“… couldn’t liberty been charged …”
Sure. It requires a bit of courage to stand up for your rights and spending a few bucks for the lawyers.
I’m in the market for a gun safe and fireproof safe for my home office.
Now I know not to ever buy a Liberty Safe ever again.
More so, how is this legal? They don’t own the safe, why do they have an override code? So any Liberty Safe employee can open any liberty safe that utlizes codes to access. Thus not only has Liberty Safe shown themselves to be communists they also make safes that don’t keep things safe.
Whoever, has a warrant to search the property and people here think that a safe is off limits?
Does anyone here remember the mass murder of a dozen or so people at a company Christmas (?) party in California (?) and one of the perps had an iPhone and Apple refused to help law enforcement open the phone? The perps were believed to be part of a Muslim terrorist cell and that phone could have had evidence of immediate terrorist attacks and murders in the following days.
Apple was wrong and Liberty is right.
Liberty could only be “right” if they are served a warrant in their name for the code they are holding for safe with serial# xyz.
What they actually did was very wrong. They had no legal obligation to respond to a warrant for someone else’s property in someone else’s name.
The safe is owned by Nathan Hughes and not Liberty and it would seem like the only thing Liberty did here was keep law enforcement from destroying Mr. Hughes’ safe. Does anyone think law enforcement was NOT going to get into that safe? A search warrant for your premises includes a safe on your premises so why would law enforcement need another warrant to open the safe and why would a warrant need to be served on Liberty to open the safe.
Mr. Hughes’ gripe is with whoever signed the search warrant.
So why didn’t they just break into it? If the warrant covered the safe and they asked him to open it and he refused then Mr. Hughes had to know his safe would get trashed. And he was ok with that.
Another possibility is they didn’t even ask him to open it. Which brings up the question of, “Why didn’t they ask?” That brings up questions about the warrant itself.
So we know they couldn’t get the access code from Mr. Hughs because he possibly wasn’t forthcoming or they never even asked him for the code and for whatever reason the FBI didn’t want to crack the safe open (and it wasn’t to protect the safe) so they needed information from Liberty who held what they needed.
At that point Liberty needed to say without the owners permission you will need a warrant for that code at which point we will happily comply.
The FBI then would have two choices, crack the safe or get another warrant. For them, both were easy to do.
And yes they were going to get into the safe one way or another but Liberty was not obligated to comply to a warrant served to someone else for someone else’s property. They were a third party. Their obligation is to protect their customer’s information unless legally required to present it.
That’s why another warrant needed to be issued because what they needed was held by an entity that was not covered in the first warrant. Warrants are supposed to be very specific, what or who you’re looking for and where.
My two cents.
You are correct. I know someone who has worked on very high profile cases and he has had to get warrant after warrant or risk having his evidence thrown out in court (with an honest judge).
Because if you have a warrant for the premises you don’t have a warrant for the safe unless it is spelled out in the warrant.
Remember all the videos in Epstein’s safe in NYC? The feds said they didn’t have a warrant to remove the contents of the safe, so they left, and when they came back, lo and behold, everything was gone.
It doesn’t matter if they were going to get into the safe anyway. Liberty had no right to unlock it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_San_Bernardino_attack
Apple has cooperated with law enforcement and unlocked people’s phones.
And that is wrong too. Get a darn warrant. It’s not hard to do…oh, wait, unless you have no probable cause….dang that pesky probable cause requirement…pesky rights.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple%E2%80%93FBI_encryption_dispute
That was a baby shower. That they had to get into an iPhone was what the government claimed.
The same government that now claims that the third shooter everyone saw at the party was only the figment of their collective imaginations.
The government sure backed off in a hurry when Apple said no, didn’t they? Because they were full of crap.
The Fedz also allowed the crime scene and perpetrators homes to be compromised.
“The perps were believed to be part of a Muslim terrorist cell and that phone could have had evidence of immediate terrorist attacks and murders in the following days.”
Were believed and could have, eh? Believed and supposed by the FBI, that’s who.
Did you know that the FBI were told about the impending Boston Marathon bombing by the Russian FSB and that the FBI ignored the warning? True story.
Did you know that some people think that the FBI don’t have America’s best interests at heart?
I just read my Liberty Safe manual and instructions Mine is a 6 number electronic lock. No where in the manual does Liberty say they have a “backdoor” to open your safe. What they recommend (which I did not do) is when you register your safe, provide them with the new combination that you chose so in case you loose it or forget it, for $25 they will provide you with it. I think what happened is that this person provided Liberty with the combination when they registered it and that is what Liberty provided the FBI. If you have a Liberty Safe, and have given them your combination for safe keeping, change it immediately. A certified safe locksmith can still get in, but it will not be easy
My safe cost about $1900 and is not something I can just throw out (it takes about 4 strong men and a special cart just to move it)
I will add that I do not in any way agree with what Liberty did, like Sundance indicated, Liberty should have told the FBI it is not our safe, talk to the owner.
My neighbor has a key to my home. If the government has a search warrant for the premises, does my eighbor have to let them in?
How much money does Liberty Safe get from the feds in order to sell their product?
How many times in the last year, have they been faced with warrants? Last 3 years?
How many times have they “fought” the warrants signed by judges for what purposes?
What regulations have they agreed to, that are audited? How much money is at stake if the audit results are dismal failures? How often do they do audits to ensure compliance?
Their statement reeks…bad! Its a corporate fear type apology but yet they continue on….haha maybe its a Bud Lite moment, Target(ed)…?
My questions…asking for a friend…
I shared this with everyone that I know just in case
Already a 2 page thread on the Sig Forum and Sig forum has a Huge number of patriots
Unless you are purchasing a mighty expensive safe, no access code will be needed to get in it. I have a pistol safe. It’s there to protect the younger grandchildren from any possibility. Works great, fingerprint, code, or key.
I could get in it in 2 minutes or less with a crowbar. It is not a “Liberty Safe” and if it were I would trash it just as a gesture.
Well, now I have a secure place to store cat litter.
replace the lock w a hidden brand so they can’t know who to contact , pay cash for that so they can’t trace that contact > while at it, store a open box of black power inside <
Read this on another site and several there stated that you can change the locks and not all that expensive vs a new safe.
Fairly cheap to replace a digital keypad with a dial lock
Contact “ Tyranny Safes “ and tell them you will no longer purchase ANY of their products!
Build a secret storage/false wall in your home and make your own lock system. If anybody asks you for anything you claim you lost it when you were down that lonely road somewhere and forgot it on top of your truck. “Must’ve fallen off somewhere along that 5 mile stretch.”
Don’t bother making up a story. Your answer to any and all questions should be “attorney.”
Second word: warrant
A good locksmith can install a whole new lock set. No need to get rid of a perfectly good safe. If you got a harden for the name a $6.00 rattle can will fix that. Any whoo, Liberty is finished.
All my good stuff is buried out back in the green belt easement in a patch of poison ivy and Virginia creeper.
It’s under a piece of obsidian hidden at the end of a stone wall near an oak tree if anyone is looking my stuff.
(AI bot crawlers will love that)
I don;t know much about safes but don;t they still have the old fashioned ones
with the dials (like you see in the movies etc) what is wrong with those.
Nothing. Except slower to open. Heaven forbid one might have to exert oneself turning a dial.
Deep state/ Democrats compromise/ f. ck up everything.
Another “good guy” down the drain.
Your guns should never be in a safe. Store them off site. That is all I am going to say.
That’s certainly an option. Here in N.C. it’s a crime to store a firearm in such a manner a “child” can access it.
That is silly