This is alarming, quite alarming. [H/T Collin Rugg] In a recent J6 case it has been revealed that Liberty Safe Co. gave the FBI background access codes to the safe and vault owned by the investigative target of the FBI, Nathan Hughes.
As the story is told, the FBI (federal govt) contacted the safe manufacturer and asked for a secret code that would open the safe. The FBI had a search warrant for the premises. Liberty Safe Co. gave the FBI the access code that would allow them to open the safe, without relying on (or asking) the owner to open it.
This is alarming on a few levels. First, why does Liberty even hold an override code for their safes. Second, why didn’t Liberty just tell the FBI they do not own the safe, therefore the issue of compliance is between the owner and the FBI?
Liberty Safe Co. responded:
This is a ridiculous position easily avoided by saying, “we don’t own the safe.” The bottom line is to avoid all the Liberty Safe products that allow them to access your private holdings, including gun safes and personal papers. If you own a Liberty Safe, just get rid of it. It’s compromised. Write it off to a lesson learned and forget about it.
https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2023/09/06/liberty-safe-caved-gave-fbi-access-code-january-6-n2163468
If the ability exists to unlock a safe over the owner’s objections, the ability to lock that safe over the owner’s objections is also possible.
A double whammy!
That’s a very good point
I don’t think that’s correct. Liberty provided a universal code that allowed the Feds to unlock the safe. There is no ability to lock/ unlock the safe remotely.
“Universal code”? Are you implying all Liberty sales have a back-door combo?
If it is electronic you can bet the Gov mandates a back door to “Everything” including all the antivirus Garbage that keeps us “Safe” no pun intended
Yeah, but that’s not true in this case. FBI had to call the Liberty Safe hotline and prove they had a proper warrant. The article on here is a little wide-eyed and reactionary. Read a different article on TGP that was a lot more calm and rational.
Yes. If you have the electronic keypad version that operates on a battery, then there’s a universal code to unlock it if the battery goes dead and it loses its memory.
He’s not IMPLYING in.
Liberty SAID THEY HAVE A BACK DOOR ACCESS CODE.
See the difference?
No. According to Liberty they have a unique code for each safe on file. I got them to send me a new locking mechanism. See my post above in the thread. The new lock needs a code from them and it is different from the old lock mechanism’s unique code. She said I could install myself but they wouldn’t send me the code to activate it or whatever, so I couldn’t go in and change to create my own password. So to complete I’d need to hire a licensed and certified locksmith to be physically on site to set it all up. Or, you know a county sheriff deputy.
The point of SD’s article is missed by you. And you further expose how the safe is not really yours with your own story. Which also goes over your head.
Regardless of the specifics in this instance the potential exists.
It is technologically feasible for any company whose products connect to the cloud or any online platform to remotely lock out the owner. This is true of any product and the risk is not hypothetical. Last summer a Colorado power company locked all the thermostats of customers enrolled in a “Smart Program” because there was a “heat emergency.”
The fact that Liberty complied with an FBI request to unlock a safe suggests it would be willing to comply with an FBI request to lock a safe.
The track record of compliance now exists. Therefore I would not trust Liberty if and when it has the ability to remotely disable their products. That goes for every company and every product which can be electronically accessed.
Right. It’s not a universal code however. If you and I lived next door had the same safe and both got locked out and we called the same lock smith or sheriff deputy they would have to talk to Liberty on our behalf and provide ID and what not. Each for each safe the Deputy or Locksmith would actually get a specific master code . At least this is how the gal at Liberty explained it to me a while back.
Don’t believe a word of it. No sheriff or lock smith would have to call Liberty. The safe OWNER would have to call and provide proof of purchase by way of safe serial number.
I keep saying that exact same thing about WALLS.
All that is really needed is the application of laws already on the books that abide the US Constitution.
This kind of happened to me with a Liberty Pro-Vault series. For some reason it stopped liking my pass code and would kick me out on the last entry. Then started to lock me out for longer periods. Changed batteries for fresh and the like and no dice. The only way they would help me to unlock it is if I had either a licensed and credentialed locksmith there in person to give it to or I think a County Sheriff or deputy. They flat out refused to share it with me. However, because this happened several times, I got them to send me a new lock mechanism, for free: but the only way to install it, involves the same process. I need to hire a licensed Locksmith to do the install and certify it, then he gets to talk to them on the phone and share some info and only then, does he get the master code to set it all up. After that, then can I set my own code. On the other hand, I could DIY the install and then call the Sheriff, so he knows what’s in the safe, where it is in the house, and he also gets a free back door in, any time he wants no warrant needed.
Anyway, after that, suddenly the old lock finally started working properly again. Beating on it must have helped give it an attitude adjustment.
Some of their older, but also more expensive models, that have a electronic key pad ,also have a physical key and I think you only get the one key as a back up, should the electronic pad ever take a Biden. Those saves may not have a master code on file that can be shared with LE warrant or not? They’d have to mail out a copy of the Master key or do a better job of turning over your house and destroying everything to find it.
I saw one hardware store selling safes like that using the one key to open safes for customers to peak in side. Real easy walk across the store and duplicate the key and then know where the customer lives when you deliver the safe. Really helpful if the customer asks you to install in the home so they know where it’s located later…
It won’t be long until they can remotely lock them and keep you out.
No, that is not how it works
Please read my response to rascal.
The concern is not regarding the technical method of it worked this time, it is Liberty demonstrating how it would act if it had the ability to lock out an owner of its products and a government agency asked them to do so.
To put it another way: if Liberty had the ability to remotely unlock the safe, and the FBI asked them to remotely unlock the safe, Liberty’s behavior indicates it would have remotely unlocked the safe.
The problem is not the method of how Liberty complied, it is the willingness of Liberty to comply in the first place. And if Liberty is willing to unlock a safe, it would be willing to lock a safe if it had that ability and received a request from law enforcement to do so.
Set aside the specifics of how safes work and apply the principle to “always online” items such as phones and newer car models that can be accessed remotely.
That is the larger problem I am pointing out. Any item that is “Smart” or “Always Online” or uses “Cloud Services” means you do not fully own that item: you do not full have control over it, and your access to its functionality can be terminated at any time.
Keeler, some people still are pretending. Let them be. It’s not worth your time.
if ifs and buts were candy and nuts we’d all have a Merry Christmas. Gun safe locks are not connected to the cloud or the internet – why deal with maybes and if comes, there is enough absolute treachery going on that hypotheticals aren’t necessary.
Incredibly excellent observation, sir.
Big Brother really IS watching…
I see a growing market for vintage safes.
For vintage EVERYTHING, including food!!!
Of course. Where have you been?
Normal would be the corrupt FBI presenting Liberty Safes with a warrant for the code and Liberty complying – this is anything but normal.
Would never do business with a company such as this.
This right here. And if they had the warrant to search the man’s property, they didn’t need to go to the safe company. This is more communist BS being perpetrated right under our noses.
I don’t care that the safe company has a code- albeit, a deal breaker for me. It’s the issue of how they complied, no warrant for Liberty Safe, only a warrant for the defendant. Incestuous relationship between government and large corporations.
Just like the bank in California that allowed the Fan Belt Inspectors to go thru all safety deposit boxes and confiscate (steal) beyond what they were looking for.
From Liberty Safe Co. to Liberty Unsafe Co. in the blink of an eye. . .
Looks to be the same potential for Winchester safes. You can get the original code from them… Not sure what their policy is for ATF warrants.
https://winchestersafes.com/support/combination-request/
I emailed Winchester, their response “ If a police send us a warrant, yes.”
The warrant should be specific for the safe, not just search the premises.
This is right up there with F.D.R. seizing your safety deposit box…
Exactly;
similar to when the FBI raided a privately owned safe deposit box company. The Judge explicitly stated that they could not take any items held in safes that were not specific to the warrant granted, and then the FBI ignored the Judge and took possession of all items in all safes requiring the owners of the seized items to sue the federal government to try and get their possessions back.
Are all companies that manufacture and sell safes in the United States required to have the same backdoors, similar to how Al Gore got the bill passed that requires all computers sold in the USA to have backdoors so the government can quietly gain access?
If not, are locking mechanisms between competing manufacturers switchable, for example, can the locks of a Liberty made safe be switched for the locks (same size, etc.) of a competing brand of safe? Anything that will throw sand in the machine?
I’d leave a surprise for who ever opened my safe.
Just to be noted, they want you to put your assets where everyone does so they can access them. Has nothing to do with safety. Even your kids, easy access at school. Cars have GPS tracking, phones, money has the strip which I’m sure is rif readable.
When they open their mouths it’s a lie, please remember that. Like “medicine is good” or “gun safes are good” good for them not you.
Think on this, GPS tracking can tell how fast you drive. See where I’m going with this? If they opened that can of worms phones would quickly be shed.
They play us as close to war as possible, own nothing and be happy? Seriously, what do you own now? They own your kids, your home, your car, your job, your health, your insurance, your water, your food, your money. Freedom is nothing left to lose.
This trafficking of kids is not new, they are showing the world we can’t do anything about it. Or excuse me WONT do anything about it.
this is the thing, it’s not acts of violence or hate speech, war or threats that change things, it’s an act of the heart. Just a minor adjustment and all of society values what is right, or what is wrong. The “big lie” ain’t so big. We are the prisms that make it what it is. Love, can be so overwhelming that life is created. It cannot be stopped only twisted.
Our society has been positioned to ignore the rights of others for our own comfort, which is really not pleasing to us. We March to where? Does anybody even ask that question? A senile old man and a government that is a cartel of criminals yet we March on paving the path with our lives of sweat and toil.
At the end of the March, when death sits on our chest was it better because we fed the crime our lives? Ask those questions and feel the pit that resides within because ignorance of these facts are intentional, these demons just capitalize on the facts. Why did we give up? Why is it our children go to school when we know hell resides there? “Cool” is not ok when it means morals are left behind. Used to be taught in school, now? How to have sex, where to get drugs.
The most potent weapon is thought, it breeds all sorts of motivation. “Think on these things” God says. The good things. Because if it’s not good, change it.
Amazingly the word “safe” is now against the law abiding citizen.
Something I noticed when meditating, our subconscious is not what we believe it to be it is what we are. “Ego” is not our subconscious it is our “fake” self. It is no wonder “ego” is what represents transgenders and furries the lie can be anything. That brings me to my conclusion. The subconscious is the part that determines your eternal destination, there is no falsities. It is not easy to look upon but it is essential.
Just checked on Rhino Metals (Rhino Safes). They maintain records of original/override codes/combos on both electronic and manual locks. They said they WOULD give out that info if presented with a legit search warrant or subpoena. Only option is to buy manual and have a locksmith change the manual lock. But do locksmiths keep records that would undo that privacy?
Bingo
Is locksmithing rocket brain surgery science?
There must be a do it yourself locksmithing u-tube to reset it yourself
It might warrant….
Calling a locksmith….
Replacing the digital keypad….
with a mechanical “turn dial” lock….
Last time I checked….~$400.
“…devoted to protecting the personal property and 2nd amendment rights of our customers…”.
My ass you are devoted–piss off Liberty Safe Co.
Committed to Fascism.
That company is TOAST.
Yet another Bud Light, shoot-themselves-in-the-foot, moment.
Very disappointing.
But how many other Safe companies would do the same? Refusing to open a safe for the Feds, would trigger at the very least a comprehensive IRS audit like you wouldn’t believe for that non complying business. One way or another (6 ways to Sunday), they would be out of business in a year.
That’s why individuals who hold their PM’s and other valuables in some kind of “secured” storage institution are just asking for their assets to be stolen by the Government.
The Banality of Evil.
Go along with corruption and fraud to help perpetrate corruption and fraud so long as you send your neighbors to the gulag instead of standing up for decency and moral righteousness yourself.
The TRUE ENEMY of the People, their weak willed foolish fence sitting cowardly neighbors throughout the local community.
Don’t forget he ever popular obstruction of justice charge.
Nope. Either the Feds have a warrant for the safe and its contents or it doesn’t.
It’s called the 4th Amendment
The 4th Amendment wouldn’t stop a “random” IRS audit of the company that refused to comply with the FED request for the info about opening the safe.
I thinking that the safes are to protect kids from getting to the guns and bad guys.
I guess I’m very stupid not to have put the FBI as the third reason.
I dunno, the FBI has been showing bad guy tendencies for awhile now.
Since J. Edgar
Weren’t they hawked by Hannity?
That’s like a builder saying, “I built this house and sold it to a homebuyer, but sure, here’s a key to the house, have at it! Is there something illegal about Liberty Safe giving this information out? They have ZERO right to offer up the access code, especially to a piece of equipment they don’t effing own!
Liberty just Bud Lighted themselves on fire sale…
Liberated Safety
Before the FBI could go to Liberty Shaft, they first had to know that Nathan Hughes owned a Liberal Shaft. Where did they get that information? Credit card company? Bank? social media? fusion center? informant? undercover FED? break into his home while he was not there and search it? Just a lucky guess? His Roomba vacuum? His Smart Phone? Alexa? Smart TV?
Unfortunately this knowledge was probably freely given to uncle sam because he wanted to buy it tax free and the cutomer info is automatically dispersed to all other gov’t agencies so – the IRS allows safes to be sold tax free – if – you willingly give up all personal info – Wallah – the entire info universe now has acess to all of your personal identifiers. So, an ex anything , partner, one nite conquest, long term ‘other’ or even boss that you didn’t give 2 weeks notice to, can sabotage the rest of your life.
Gosh! Even the safes aren’t safe anymore.
Did anyone else notice Jack Smith added two indictments. One was the so called illegal computer entry and I cannot remember the other except that one was also on Fanis list? I suspect they think her case is going T.U.
T.U.?
T*** Up..
Gun safes are really designed to keep out quick grab, common thieves that break into your house who want to get in and get out as fast as possible with as many valuables as they can grab and also to protect (as much as possible), valuables from fire damage in case of a house fire.
We are facing a new kind of thieves that are becoming more common. The corporate and the Gubmint agencies “public/private” co-operation against the citizens. There is no safe in the world that will keep the DOJ, judicial corruption, FBLIE and other alphabet agencies out of your private life and home with the “legal warrants” issued by partisan judges and “legal” power hungry, over zealous Gubmint brownshirt enforcers. Can you say banana republic?
However, we can fight back and send a message to these “corporate CEO” proxy tyrants like Bud Light and now Liberty Safes by not buying their products. And by, push the story every where we can.
This Liberty Safe debacle can be another “Throw sand in the gears, whenever you can” moment for constitutional freedom loving patriots.
Liberty Safes is owned by Monomoy Capital Partners and Libery is not what they are about.
You forgot that these safes are also a large push by government to keep your firearms stored where you can not easily access them and then if you follow their guidelines you will have to go to another safe to get your ammo.
You know, because “It’s to protect the children!!!” While they release repeat child offenders of homicide and say it’s “for the children!!!” as well.
…Is neither Liberty or Safe!
This revelation needs to be the death knell for Liberty (Un)Safe.
Happy to say I don’t know one person that works for or hired by the FBI that I am aware of.
“That I know of”. BOOM, Tim.
the reason they had to ask Liberty is that asking the owner would be a 5th Amendment violation. Usually, the cops are prepared to destroy the safe to get into it.
Where the hell do these stupid CEOs come from? The entire purpose of a safe is the integrity of its access. Follow BUD Lite.
Consider this another exemplar of why you need to use cash, as much as possible in all of your normal financial matters. The extent of your privacy is shrinking rapidly, and nothing is more private than the things for which you pay money!
That’s where CBDC comes in and why they want it sooooo badly. Everyone needs to contact our reps and put political pressure on them to not allow CDBC or we will literally become economic slaves.
More so than we are now
Yes and if you keep your cash in a safe???
Makes you wonder. I remember when they were sponsoring half the “conservative” radio shows. Was it because it was a good audience fit or was it because they were told to target that audience for the government?
Liberty needs to go bankrupt.
Looks they’re Liberty Lite Safes now
Notice the government has pushed gun safes and in many jurisdictions they are required by law and when not by law insurance companies push them.
Never assume unintended consequences exist when the government is involved.
Wait until “smart” safes are required by law.
Will never comply with anything SMART by the government when they are the retards of charge of their ideologies death and destruction SOP.
The most zealous ones pushing all of this are only the vanguard of the powers that be.
They will meet the same end as Mao’s Red Guard did after the Great Leap Forward.
It looks like they use SecuRam electronic locks. Maybe current safe owners could swap it out with a Sargent & Greenleaf. Better or worse? Who knows anymore.
I’m thinking that they need to change the name of their company.
Liberty Safe just unlocked the Bud Light treatment from their customers.
Liberty isn’t safe with Liberty Safe!
I would think so especially since they came out with that statement they could have
said nothing but they know customers will be like WTH..
Yet another example of Big Business and Big Government in cahoots, aka Fascism.
I believe the locks themselves are made by just a small number of 3rd party companies. Seargant & Greenleaf is one example. I wonder if they all have a universal back door access code.
MRC (Management Reset Code)
From S&G website…….
Problem:
I have lost the combination to my safe. How do I recover?
Cause:
Changed combination to an unknown code. Recently purchased safe from third party.
Solution:
You could possibly be in “Penalty Time.” Please wait 15 minutes and retry your code.
Please contact the safe manufacture to see if they have any information about the lock on that safe. You will need to reference the safe serial number when you call in. The safe company may be able to provide you with and Management Reset Code (MRC). This code will set your lock back to factory default 123456#
Rascal: The electronic inerds are probably all Chinese.
As I recall, Sean Hannity sells Liberty Safes. What a surprise.
Time to Bud Light Liberty Safe.
Surprised by all this shock and outrage.
With a signed warrant the government can get into your bank accounts, your cell phone history (not from the phone itself from the phone company), your house and anything locked inside of it, your google/search history, your computer and so on.
Even without the access code, if they have a signed warrant they can break into the safe. Now they are not supposed to take anything not listed in the warrant but oftentimes the listings of what the warrant is after can be rather vague and ambiguous.
I’m with you. I think people believe many illusions about safety. There’s no such thing as an inviolable lock, and keypads are easier to hack than cracking the rotary dial-type safes. Safe manufacturers adopted them because they are cheaper than mechanical tumblers. But people forget their own codes, just like they forget/mix up passwords. And people keep things like wills and deeds in gun safes too. Manufacturers HAVE to have unlock codes in case of legitimate need. Every company that makes any kind of keypad-based lock, for safes, doors or alarm systems has them. If there’s an issue with Liberty Safes, it’s only whether or not they gave the code out too easily.
Back we must go to digging holes in the south forty, and burying stuff in watertight containers.
And nobody found the ransom money …
Many of these can have the combinations changed. First thing I did when I bought a safe is the change the combination.
It is getting harder to rid this country of communism or it’s other many forms. The republic has been shattered no one has even put a speed bump in the way, Only Trump and a hand full. We are being steam rolled by the minority, media propaganda 24/7, common sense died with the union in the COVID WAR.
Apparently no lawsuit, subpoenas needed just an ask. Wow!
Strange! I had a safe with an electronic keypad and once the batteries went dead and locked the safe. I replaced the batteries but the combo had reset.
Point is, I was able to find the factory reset code on Google and reset the combo…
Promptly got a new safe with combo dial.
Liberty had 193 employees as of this past August. Wonder how many will be collecting unemployment by Thanksgiving?
What is the diff between Liberty safes, unlocking Apple phones, Cloud accounts, etc?
Crooked Judges, FBI, DOJ, CIA are all domestic terrorist organizations. Sad.
Note to self: never do business with Liberty Safe.
As far as I know, all safes with electronic locks also have a key that can be used in the event of electronic failure. Just disable the electronic keypad and use the key for access.
In case you want to throw sand, or be a pita:
Liberty Safe Products:
https://www.libertysafe.com/pages/products
CONTACT LIBERTY SAFE
[email protected]
1-800-247-5625
1199 West Utah Avenue
Payson, Utah 84651
SSOOOOO incredibly PO’d….spent $ 3400 on a Liberty Safe and have spent 1 hr and 40 minutes on hold listening to horrible music. They are NOT answering their phones.
FYI for all….Cabela’s safes ARE Liberty…also sell Browning.
False advertising and misleading advertising SHOULD results in the collapse of the company…Tractor Supply sells Winchester, LIBERTy and Cannon
On other sites…do Winchester, Fort Knox and Champion have same type of locks and policies?
The Bud Light of gun safes.
Wow!
Just before I saw this article, I had sent a text to my son asking him if he wanted to go in together on a gun safe.
I had just been shopping and stopped to check out gun safes.
The choice was between Liberty and another brand.
It sure won’t be Liberty.
Legal isn’t always moral, especially with this DOJ.
It’s all alarming seriously no f**** left to give