It was 34 years ago tonight when the Chinese government sent the Mongolian Army into Tiananmen Square to crackdown on the mostly student protestors.
It is against the law in China to recognize today, memorialize the dead, or even speak publicly of this bloody anniversary. Few people know the short and long-term political ramifications to this event which extended far beyond the borders of China.
Many people are familiar with this image:
However, not as many people are as familiar with the wide shot.
That’s some serious courage right there.
The June 4th 1989 anniversary holds a great deal of personal significance for those who witnessed the events. Many of us remember exactly where we were as the first reports started to leak out.
Few people know how most of the regular Chinese military refused orders to open fire on the protesting crowd. Hundreds of young Chinese military soldiers actually formed lines around the mostly student activists in an effort to protect them. The Chinese government eventually bypassed the regulars and instructed the Mongolian military divisions who carried out the orders.
No one really knows how many were killed, and even the families of the fallen were too scared to speak publicly.
Those who were lost live on in whispered memories of lore.
So many.
So young.
We remember.
…Then the tanks came….
I have been to Tiananmen Square. There are ghosts there. It will hold over a million people. We were told not to take any pictures of the soldiers. There were soldiers everywhere we went. The last picture says all one needs to know about Communism
And then we had a miniature version of it right here at our own Capitol.
And Canada’s Trucker Convoy.
Thank You Nimrod, for this image! Not too many here will realize what this truely represents.
If it was a Man, that was doing the “squealling” that would be logical, but since it is a Woman… it can be downright terrifying, if she’s not a good person!
A couple yrs. ago, Breitbart had a video that showed a Mexican Drug Cartel holding a man down while a Pit Bull was tearing-off his genitals. The story was that a Woman had told them that this Man had raped her!
No trial…Just Justice (for who?)!
Thanks to communist democrats cheating!
And the rest of us who sat by and said and did nothing. At least the protestors on January 6th did something.
The lesson I took from this article is that it depends on who is manning the military. If the every day soldiers joined the military to protect “their” people then you better be a member of “their” people.
That’s why when they come for American citizens they will use Canadian or other foriegn soldiers to do so. At the very least they will call up guardsman from our US territories like PR and Guam and the Left Coasties to come put down the resistance in the Heartland and South.
The soviets played this game several times.
Many if not most of the soldiers who were ordered to put down the Hungarian Revolution in 1956 were Mongols. One should never expect Christian conduct from primitive, pagan Asiatics.
Most people think that the majority of the USA military is Woke, but that’s not true. Nearly all the Marines, and special forces, plus 2/3 of the rest of the military follow DJT lead. WWIII is going on in the background, and it’s first about rescuing trafficked kid, and it’s second about shutting down labs that create disease, and third about stopping DS money laundering.
https://thehighwire.com/thegreatawakening/
This film speaks volumes about communisn, or as they coalesce the isms into one word…collectivism.
Very powerful film.
Fast forward past the first hour of interviews for the premiere….or which it.
Thanks
Yes I watched it & agree. Skip the first 90 minutes of red carpet interviews. It is infuriating to see the lies, brainwashing & manipulation via fear of the sheeples. I’m grateful the truth is coming out. I pray many will finally hear it & understand.
Eric Hoffer the Dock Worker writer talked about that in the 1950’s, “The True Believer”.
Commies and Fascists’ are cut from the same cloth.
. . . and the corrupt state here
And the CCP flooded Biejing with internal immigrants to break up the culture of resistance that created the protests
Much like the CCP flooded Hong Kong with internal immigrants to break up and dilute the HK culture
Mass Replacement Invasion works
We’d all better step up now, for something like that here is no longer a book of fiction.
Here they call it “January 6th”.
Just a precursor.
“We remember.”
Yes. Some of us do, anyway. And we will never forget, either.
All of our arguments, protestations, pleas, and demands in opposition to NAFTA, and giving China membership to the World Trade Organization, and granting it “Most Favored Nation” trading status, were all informed and measured against the events of June 4, 1989 and what happened in Tiananmen Square.
But, money. And thoroughly corrupt, morally bankrupt politicians, like the Clintons.
(SPIT)
And the Bushes. Poppy started it. W opened the floodgates.
They just wanted to sweep it under the rug and continue to get their checks from Beijing.
Nixon and globalist Kissinger opened door to China.
Yes, then Kissinger went on to mentor Klaus Schwab who subsequently created the WEF, which is suiciding the West.
Hard to see that organization as benefiting anyone more than China.
Recently heard that it was Prince Charles who, quietly “put” Schwab in as the leader of the WEF –that the Prince started.
True?
🤔
YES! I was a preteen at the time and thought WTF???
In Nixon’s defense he was trying to triangulate against Russia and end vietnam war at same time.
For those who are not old enough to remember, Nixon went to China & then the US started pouring money into China & outsourcing companies and manufacturing there. The lie we were told as an explanation for why our country was building up this murderous,ruthless Communist regime, which was very backward at the time, was that one day this would help transition China into a “Democracy”. After becoming wealthy they would “see the light” and convert to Capitalism. Years later, watching these young college kids demonstrating in Tiananmen Square to bring democracy to China, it gave us high hopes this was The Time it would happen & China would be turned around. Maybe I was young and naive then, but I remember people feeling uplifted by the prospect of the Chinese people getting their freedom. We watched in shock as things drastically turned around and the CCP murdered all of those children in cold blood. Horrifying and heart-wrenching. We then realized what we’d been told was a complete lie. Not gonna happen. Turns out this was all to make Americans docile as the traitors in our government and international corporations colluded to destroy the US & build up our enemy. Even after the Tiananmen massacre, the US didn’t wise up and US corporations kept moving their operations to China, converting US manufacturing areas & other industries to ghost towns across the country. Pouring money into the China.
And yet some people still don’t understand the level of betrayal of what continues to go on. Even after the ChiCom COVID19 bioweapon killed millions worldwide. Now it looks like the US aided and abetted this using our tax dollars for the research, done by Echo Health and installed one of the key players of Echo Health, Peter Dazak to the WHO team to investigate themselves. “No evidence here” they conclude. The Xi Biden puppet regime is dismantling our energy industries and passing “Green” laws that will make us dependent on the ChiComs for the rare earth metals needed for alternate energy technology, while our economy is in free-fall heading toward severe recession, possibly depression if no one will put a stop to Biden’s reckless, destructive policies. No one is. Dream on if you think the GOP is going to do anything about it. Witness their collusion with Biden on the debt ceiling agreement. Our military leaders allowed the ChiComs to surveil our nuclear response operations across the entire country with their spy balloon, completely unobstructed. Any one of these balloons could carry a nuclear weapon or EMP. Does anyone not understand what’s going on?
Son, you better study history. This all started in earnest following WW2. Where do you think the EU, NATO, The World Bank, IMF, etc. got their wings. And all those Germans and Japanese war criminals who absconded with riches to South America and other parts of th world while the M.I.C. traded scientific knowledge for “pardons.” People like Werner von Braun who killed many with his V1 and V2 missiles and who knows what other creations in his love “… of the stars.”
But actually goes back further to Woodrow Wilson and the creation of the League of Nations and Central Banks.
Rothschilds -> Rockafellers.
Wilson did so much damage to this country! If you look back, the presidenrs that did the most damage were democrats!
Please, M***52, who firebombed Dresden? Why should we continue to ignore Germany’s numerous attempts to end the conflict with England which her warmongering drunk ignored? Most of the “history written by the victors” is a lie. Anyone who would not be ashamed of having a paranoid, murdering psychopath like Stalin for an ally has some serious issues.
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Geo. H.W. was our first Liaison. Everyone concentrates on Kissinger, but Bush headed the CAI and also served as Liaison to China.
Back when the protests were happening, I had such high hopes that President Bush would help calm the Chinese and help to bring a peaceful transition to China, but it did not happen that way.
Such a let down.
Now Dubya, Buraq, and Billy are working together to fly illegal aliens all across the USA.
I guess they didn’t get enough illegal trash in when they were posing as presidents.
They’re asking for donations to fund the flights from Haiti, Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, etc etc etc.
https://justthenews.com/events/obama-bush-and-clinton-start-non-governmental-organization-fly-migrants-across-us
Prescott funded the 3rd Reich… those war criminals were brought here & given high-status positions & lives in US science, medicine, & academia… as ROI, apparently.
I’m not sure where I heard or read it so take this with a grain of salt, but didn’t Bill Clinton give China Nuclear Technology?
I remember it having to do with guidance technology enabling accurate deployment of multiple warkeads from a single ICBM. Acronym MIRV.
Yup.
Yes, slick willie green-lighted the sale of Loral’s MIRV technology to the chicoms…
FallBushes…
Fallclintons…
FDC…
FJB
LORAL technology
…The sign above me said cash and carry, so this land’s been sold for you by me….
Meant to add also, when this happened, I was in school, President of my college professional society, of which many members were Chinese nationals, appointed to grad school by our Department of State, usually phd candidates. Good people generally. A few told me privately that some of the students would be there as spies to keep track of the other Chinese nationals. They didn’t know which ones. They knew they were monitored covertly also, electronic and visually.
These people were indescribably brilliant, voiced support for the government stopping protest and disorder.
But all of them did everything they could do to stay here when they had their phd. I don’t know if many of them were able to stay.
You don’t want to know my major.
Still happening in universities where Chinese students come to study.. Australia, New Zealand, Uk etc
Chi-comm spies (scientists) at Los Alamos.
Satellite and missile technology too.
And Henry Kissinger, in the Shadows like a spider.
Remember always also the cultural genocide in Tibet.
Before the rebellion of 1959, there were 2,700 temples and monasteries with 114,000 monks and 1,600 “living Buddhas”. .. . After the Cultural Revolution from 1966 to 1978 there were only eight monasteries with 970 monks left.
The CCP is evil.
Taken by Chinese authorities at 6 years of age, the Panchen Lama has not been seen for 26 years.
Thank you for that reminder. Seems like most are not aware of that
Genocide.
Ookay. . . But.
What was Tibet like before this? Without excusing anything the CCP is doing there now, was Tibet a two tiered society with almost all the land held by those monasteries and the rest of the population basically held as slaves? How recently was human sacrifice practiced by those monks?
I have gotten to the point in thinking about history where I always try to measure the depth of my ignorance in relation to the narrative being pushed.
For example, we all know Ferdinand and Isabella threw all the Jews out of Spain. Oh, those horrible anti-semites!
We never ask whether they might have had a reason, like, say, the Jews having collaborated with the invading Muslims and having been handed over the city administration of conquered towns as a reward, and even having been rumored to have opened the gates to the invaders in at least one instance.
I have not assessed the historical validity of those claims. But, if that actually happened, it makes Ferdinand and Isabella the enactors of a very sane policy, not antisemitic monsters.
So, communists are monsters. Thst doesn’t mean those monks weren’t also.
Both can be true.
Not true.
Its a scurrlious statement you made Alex1689
Jews had no power in Europe in those times. They were constantly fleeing persecution. To justify and say Ferdinand and Isabella threw the Jews out is just plain wrong. They arrested and forced Jews to convert to Catholicism. Those who refused to do so were tortured and killed. Torquemada? Many Jews FLED to escape being killed. It was called the INQUISITION.
How is ‘flee or be killed’ any different than being tossed out? I see very little difference.
Spain cleaned house by taking their country back from the Muslims. Jews had been working hand-in-hand with the Muslims (albeit by adapting in order to survive). Jewish Money Lenders (Bankers) were frowned on at that time in history.
If the US ever decided to take back control of their government, how deep would the cleansing go?
No, they had good reasons to kick the Jews out.
Exciting to be on a site with so many experts on Andalusia the Reconquest the Inquisition and so much more.
Really intellectually stimulating. breathtaking stuff.
Yes, but to hear the CCP mouthpieces tell it, China has no history, none at all of imperialism, that is taking territory that is not “theirs.” The strongly protest any such accusation! Strongly! Bunch of liars and hypocrites and so many in the West believe them.
It always pays, “to believe.”
(“Gagillions” are at stake!)
Your friends at Apple and Tesla thank you.
The CCP has murdered over 75 million to date. The Russian Communist Party has murdered over 60 million people to date.
Communism equals mass genocide.
Planned Parenthood gives them a run for the money.
Incredible Bravery.
Don’t know much about Pakistan, but it sounds like there is J6’ing going in there? Going after political dissidents in Pakistan?
“Agency Men” Behind May 9 riots” — Dawn.com
https://www.dawn.com/news/1753763
Maidan, too.
I’ve been to China and can’t tell you who I know there but let’s just say that one of their family was intimately involved at the highest levels with the decision to use the military. 100000 were killed after they were warned to leave as the decision was made. Those that didn’t flee weren’t allowed to do so once the shooting started.
Take note, soon it will be against the law to celebrate much of America’s history too. Erasing it as fast as communist can.
30,000 digital erasers hired by the UN in Summer of 2020.
“This is Radio Beijing. Please remember June the third, 1989. The most tragic event happened in the Chinese capital, Beijing. Thousands of people, most of them innocent civilians, were killed by fully armed soldiers when they forced their way into the city. Among the killed are our colleagues at Radio Beijing. The soldiers were riding on armored vehicles and used machine guns against thousands of local residents and students who tried to block their way. When the army convoys made a breakthrough, soldiers continued to spray their bullets indiscriminately at crowds in the street. Eyewitnesses say some armored vehicles [inaudible] foot soldiers who hesitated in front of the resisting civilians. Radio Beijing’s English department deeply mourns those who died in a tragic incident and appeals to all its listeners to join our protest for the gross violations of human rights and the most barbarous suppression of the people. Because of the abnormal situation here in Beijing, there is no other news that we could bring you. We sincerely ask for your understanding and thank you for joining us at this most tragic moment.”
Maoist cowards.
and our country is capable of that same atrocity.
Thank you SD. As soon as I read your headline I knew you’d include the entire photo of Tank Man.
After a year of trauma and horrendous stress, my children and I took off for several weeks of camping across the United States. We never saw a television, read or heard news from later May through mid-July.
It had left the media news by the time we arrived home. So, I’ve only seen the footage and read about it as a historical event.
Whatever happened to Tank Man?
Not known. When he jumped down from the gun turret, two men approached (civilian attire, not military uniforms) and took him away. Not known if these two were fellow protesters or friends or whether they were government agents. There was no announcement of an arrest or execution. Today the extensive surveillance cameras would make it impossible to just disappear from Tiananmen Square. But 34 yrs ago … perhaps. I’d like to think he escaped.
😢
Claudia Rosett – RIP.
Realistically we many not even have an election in 2024.. All the fighting in the big cities all the trannisaries and political policies will likely fall by the wayside if things go the way I fear it will. May be a good idea to stock up on some 50Gal drums for water, food storage too and if you haven’t already, you may want something bigger than 223/556.
50Gal & 50Cal
I had no idea of the wider shot. That’s a lot of courage.
The part about regular Chinese military refusing to fire on there own people, so foreigners that would fire had to be used is a very important point. Was that fact kept out of our media reports?
I believe the regular Russian military refused to fire on Hungarian citizens in the 1950s. So the Soviets also brought in Mongolians and they were willing.
And over 1 million white Russians refused to fight the Germans for the Soviet Union. The Roosevelt administration sent them back to the USSR in chains after the war. I guess the moral of the story is, “be very selective about who man’s your military”.
Not sure true but I read posts about Canada bringing in foreigner ‘police’ during the truckers protest several years ago.
I saw some pictures from the Australian lockdowns where the LEO’s looked like Asians.
Yes in both the Canadian trucker protest and Australian Melbourne protest the central banks sent foreign soldiers, and in some of the European protests as well.
I’ve read reports of Canada allowing Chinese military to train on Canadian soil.
Don’t know if this was noted previously, but how is this for contemporaneous…….Tiananmen Square in June 1989……and the fall of the Berlin Wall and freeing of Eastern Europe in November 1989.
There are decades when nothing happens and there are weeks when decades happen – Lenin
I’m not sure many young people in America and the West are familiar with those images, even the famous “tank man.” Those images were once widely circulated. I remember them even being used in TV commercials to sell a “think different” theme. But today all the major media and all the major multinational corporations are too bought-off by China to dare to show these photos, even the milder ones. Most politicians are likewise bought-off and will not mention the anniversary. Thank you for reminding us who remember. You may have opened some new eyes who have never seen these.
The terrible truth is that if you show these pictures to a young liberal brainwashed person, they will identify Tank Man as being analogous to the antifa crowd. They have been persuaded that conservatives are the evil ones who want to rule the world and kill people.
Exactly. My Navy veteran daughter has used the GI bill to become fully woke and has also infected her college educated sister. My Navy vet daughter has said in a txt that my wife and I should be destroyed. you know, like rabid racoons or something.
Sleep with one eye open.
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One lesson learned from this horrible massacre is that the CCP used the Mongolian Army to murder the students.
This is not a far step from using UN troops to enforce World Health Governance in the US during the next Plandemic.
Worth remembering that some significant part of the Russian culture and mindset traces back to the Mongol occupation of the region around the 13th century.
The Russians have never forgotten. They still make chess boards with Russians and Mongols figurines.
Close. The PLA’s 27th Army had certain “characteristics” shall we say.
“The cable, which described the 27th Army as illiterate “primitives” from the northern province of Shanxi, commanded by the nephew of then Chinese President Yang Shangkun, said the heavily armed troops were kept without news for 10 days and told they were to take part in a military exercise.”
Easy to get to DGAF
Out of the 4-6 million illegal immigrants, what % do you think are 15-30 yr old gang bangers, criminals etc….
How many of them do you think understand the importance of the constitution to this country? How many of them do you think GAF?
Anyone else wonder whether we could be inviting, housing, feeding our own “27th Army”?
No bueno
Think they’ll stampede back south when the first few hundred get their heads blown off.
An alternative reality. Sundance, you may have unwittingly accepted the mainstream narrative of ‘The Tiananmen Square Massacre”.
I posted this yesterday, as a prelude to today’s anniversary of Tiananmen Square.
After watching/listening to this historical outlay from Matthew Ehret, I am not convinced that events on that day were really what we were led to believe.
“Multi-polar Reality w/Matthew Ehret: The Truth of Tiananmen Square”
Within this 1 1/2 hour discourse from Mr. Ehret, there are also some disturbing photos — photos of hung & burned unarmed Chinese solders, who were killed 7 miles from Tiananmen Square by an organized mob.
Description of the video: Matthew Ehret joins V to breakdown the truth of Tiananmen Square and what it means for us today. He breaks down why this was a Soros CIA plot.
Tiananmen Square may have been the first “Color Revolution” that we later witnessed play out all across the world.
The playbook is exactly the same.
Nothing would surprise me anymore. And here we thought we were the good guys all along. Ha.
TY Liberty Forge.
I just checked it out.
Sundance, I know you have limited hours in your day, but what is in this presentation fits the jigsaw puzzle we have collectively been assembling under your guidance. From Kissinger to Soros, the last 110 years of Russian history, the Ukraine, Tavistock, to the depopulation agenda to the real economy versus the computer economy, even your favorite, the Chamber of Commerce, it all ties in around Tiananmen Square.
I recommend you watch it.
Here is the start of the Rabbit Hole:
Tiananmen in 1989 was a textbook US-backed coup attempt. – Ben Norton, Multipolarista
National Endowment of Democracy:
TIANANMEN SQUARE MASSACRE ANNIVERSARY: NED STANDS IN SOLIDARITY WITH CHINESE PARTNERS
https://www.ned.org/tiananmen-square-massacre-anniversary-ned-stands-in-solidarity-with-chinese-partners/
“A lot of what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA,” said NED cofounder Allen Weinstein in 1991
I think January 6th, was just an internal version of what America has been doing for decades externally, complete with an MSM television production and puff pieces on 60 Minutes about Ray Epps. I also suspect that the Xi faction in China is the CCPs version of the MAGA movement. You can still be vehemently opposed to the CCP on authoritarianism grounds, and that they have been given our jobs and factories, (as Steve Bannon and DJT are) but there is something much deeper going on than we really understand. IMHO
This your guy?
In the following report, a strategic overview is laid out with the explicit purpose to inform and activate leading citizens and policy makers towards the strategy needed to re-align our nation from the shackles of the rules-based order’s collapsing monetarist system, towards the new paradigm exemplified by the BRICS/New Silk Road orientation of win-win cooperation and long term thinking.
This re-alignment is necessary not only to reconstruct our self destroyed physical economic base, but to lift humanity out of British geopolitics, and closed system thinking which is driving victim nations within NATO towards a thermonuclear world war.
Reads like a rabbit-hole with Chinese characteristics.
And the mystery deepens:
Wikileaks: no bloodshed inside Tiananmen Square, cables claim
“Secret cables from the United States embassy in Beijing have shown there was no bloodshed inside Tiananmen Square when China put down student pro-democracy demonstrations 22 years ago.”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8555142/Wikileaks-no-bloodshed-inside-Tiananmen-Square-cables-claim.html
For a close up photo of what bodies crushed by tanks look like:
https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2014/06/1989-tiananmen-square-protests-photos/100751/
For the first time, I am noticing what appear to be active Chinese paid influencers online trying to rewrite / vanish the events leading up to and thru the Tiananmen Square massacre. We need to archive the history of events, the photo evidence and the interviews with people who escaped China who were eyewitnesses.
If we go by the photo evidence “officially” curated for J6th, as it was officially curated in 1989, we would need to look no further. I have tons of progressive acquaintances who insist J6 is an open and shut case. Why? Because they tell me they “witnessed the whole thing live on CNN” with their own eyes as it actually transpired. So, when I bring up any objection, they tell me to “go watch the CNN coverage”. Without private recordings of J6th (like the Zapruder film and Nix film) and Revolver News, etal …J6 would be a done deal.
Furthermore, Bill Browder escaped Russia, but does that make his account of what happened to Sergey Magnitsky more credible than Andrei Nekrasov’s?
The Magnitsky Act: Behind the Scenes
https://swprs.org/the-magnitsky-act-movie/
And that ironically is the “jet fuel” that ignited the current world conflagration. “The Obama administration fought the bill until Congress signaled the 2012 Jackson–Vanick bill would not be repealed unless the Magnitsky Act passed.” Previously, the US only had the power to sanction individual countries, but the Magnitsky Act allowed them to sanction individuals. This was important because every country has factions (nationalists vs globalists), so they could go in and specifically target their nationalist oligarch opponents (divide and conquer). This is why Browder campaigned for global adoption of the Magnitsky Act. The Jackson-Vanick Act was a crude tool that blanketed entire countries and was not suitable.
Implying that I am a “Chinese influencer”, after posting here for years, is a sad tactic. IMHO
You are citing what are quite evidently Chinese revisionists.
Sunrei has not laid that appellation upon you yourself.
As per the Magnitsky Act, doubtless our Derp State was no more honest in concocting that weapon than they were in Maidan or their current adventurism against Russia, or in J6.
Nevertheless, the revisionism of Tienanmen bears the hallmarks of a self-interested rewrite of history, the other rewrites argue against the truthfulness of this, not for it.
The effort to draw The New Sill Noose across the American continent is quite an exercise in historical adventurism and for that reason alone I thank those that brought this particular farce to our attention.
I remember. I was 34, still a Democrat. The whole world gasped in unison at the barbarity & inhumanity yet look where we are a generation later. Our government went Stockholm Syndrome on us and fed this monster, in effect rewarding & encouraging them. It’s like saying, “Oh, hey, you’re willing to do that? Let’s do business! Can we buy some organs? Export our pollution to evade Environmental laws? Slave labor…”
This is what Garland has in mind for us
If he could, you know he would.
Remember wht happened to the Truckers in Canada! Supposedly Soldiers from Bolivia came in and squashed the Canadian Citizens. Horses killed citizens and it was covered up.Truckers were beaten bank accounts frozen. Justin is evil as well as the Government. Canada is not free
Ftrucastro
Here is the Posobiec podcast on the Bush Sr. secret deal after Tiananmen Square.
Never forget that the bush crime family did nothing to the chicoms after the tiananmen square massacre…
FallBushes…
FallotherRINOs…
FDNC…
FDC…
FJB
Our “Government” got in the tank with them.
Every hour, every day and every year the killing of other humans continue. Street level to World level. Nothing changes. Soros aims for no borders but human nature is to dominate. Weak countries succumb. And the winners raise borders.
Sundance…
I’d never seen the wide shot nor the other pictures.
I can’t find words… for how this feels. very moving…emotional even.
Thank you and God bless you and everyone you love and care about.
All Communists are the same … Godless and brutal. Makes no difference if they are in China, Russia, Cuba, Canada or America. Think it can’t happen here? Did you ever think free speech would be significantly suppressed here? Its happened.
interesting – I did a duck duck go search for simply the word Tiananmen – results came back variously as:
Tiananmen square
Tiananmen protests
Tiananmen incident
Tiananmen massacre
etc
just like results here in the US come back as
protest
riot
disturbance
hullaballoo
kerfuffle
(one man’s protest is another man’s riot … especially if they burned down the second guy’s storefront or residence)
you’d think that if a ‘massacre’ had happened there, that’d be the most notable label to apply, foremost
kinda like Rwanda … you know … them Tsutsi and Hutu fellas
“incident” is kinda slow-walking the news, right?
gnomesayin’?
but leftists and press (but I repeat myself) never like to admit fault, now, do they?
no
to a fault
It’s one of those moments in history heard around the world that effected us all.
cross posted at https://freedomaustralia.freeforums.net/thread/3501/tiananmen-34-years-ago
I wonder if it’s not just a bit more complex than this. We now learn how the CIA assisted in the killing of its own president, infiltrated the ‘student rebellion’ of the 1960’s, infiltrates uprisings against governments in just about every country you can imagine, the global political actions of the US since WW2, etc., Operation Yellowbird, etc. I think that there is more to Tiananmen Square than we know.
I was working with a Chinese student, about 5 years after it happened and in the United States there were a few magazines that covered the 5 year anniversary at the time. I thought Tiananmen would be a great conversation starter and that I could learn more from a first-person witness. When I brought it up, he basically asked why we ‘Americans were so obsessed with the topic” because basically “nothing happened” there. It was my thought at the time that the information space was so controlled in China, that he might not know or that he was not allowed to talk about it. I showed him the magazines and he was shocked by them and asked to take them home to study. It was like two people talking past one another. It went into my mental “weirdness file” and I didn’t think of it again until seeing that Matt Ehret special.
Now I search and find stuff like this:
How the Tiananmen Square Massacre Made Nancy Pelosi’s Political Career
Willingness to champion these Chinese students elevated Pelosi throughout the ranks of the Democratic Party.
https://observer.com/2019/06/tiananmen-square-massacre-nancy-pelosi/
Now I am wondering if this was not a US PSYOP? When I see that, I wonder if Liz Cheney was not doing the same thing with J6, for some similar reward? I wonder now if there are not two factions in the CCP, one globalist and the other nationalist? And that the globalist faction was the one we were manipulating and cooperating with to move all of our jobs and factories there? And quite possibly, the Xi faction was the nationalist one that finally won out? Obviously COVID19 was designed to take out DJT, but was it also meant to target Xi? And did Xi clean out the Soros globalist oligarchs, the same as Putin did in Russia? Which might explain the mixed messaging coming out of both the US and China regarding the pandemic origin. And prior to Xi, China could do no wrong in the eyes of our elites (Obama: the jobs are not coming back, no magic wand, no negotiating a better deal) but after Xi, we are expected to be rabidly anti-Chinese on cue? That would have been a nice sentiment to have when factory after factory went to China, but now I am supposed to be anti-Chinese/CCP because our elites no longer control it? I don’t think that changes the emotional valence of everything, as one can still oppose CCP authoritarianism and recognize it as a formidable economic rival as did DJT.
No answers from me, just a lot of questions. (sigh)
PS: No shame in not knowing any of this stuff, IMHO,even Jeffery Sachs had no clue when he appointed Peter Daszak (EcoHealth Alliance) to his commission investigating the origins of the coronavirus.
From another website some years ago, a post was written by a Chinese person outside of China, advising that during the protests in the Chinese city of Chengdu, those leading the crowd were speaking Mandarin with a Hong Kong accent, while others participating spoke Mandarin with a Taiwanese accent. The actual people of Chengdu NEVER speak like that, and actually rarely even speak Mandarin. The point is that while many Chinese speak English, very few Westerners actually speak Chinese, so it is easy for Westerners to be mislead by their media (and entities involved in spreading propaganda, etc.). I do not believe anything I hear about China, and have been advised that any reference to China using ‘CCP’ is actually from a western source. The Chinese themselves indicate CPC…..the Communist Party of China.
Years ago I did read that there was something amiss about this Tiananmen Square photo, not being legitimate, so who knows???
Courage – fear that has said its prayers. (Dorothy Bernard)
Wake up brothers and sisters. Focusing on the CCP is misdirection. Technically there is no CCP. There is only “The International.” And if you review Marx’s concept of super-structure, you learn quite quick “The International” already owns us. We have reached what Bezmenov called the “Crisis” stage of ideological subversion. Plan accordingly. Step 1 — look to Jesus Christ and Him alone as your savior. Step 2 — live a kingdom life (the abundant life Christ promises). Step 3 — share that abundant life with all who will listen.
Justice for the dead begins with remembering. On June 4 each year, may we remember the evil that communism is, the evil it does. May we remember those many souls that made a valiant attempt to win freedom for their people.
In spite of orchestrated efforts to suppress, rewrite and erase the events of Tiananmen Square, may we be the memory, the vessel of the truth of CCP’s monstrous actions on that date. And may we balance that horror with the memory that on that same day, on the other side of the world, the good guys won. Poland to peacefully freed themselves from communism.
Amen.
Please note: From the wide shot it is clear that the tanks are LEAVING Tiananmin Square!!!!
The Square is empty – no protesters. This photo is taken day after protesters left the square.
Most aspects to the story we received from the MSM and the Gov’t agencies were false – Propaganda.
If one is interested to research it – i give some leads from memory:
Students gather April 15th to honor death of reform-minded CCP General Secretary Hu Yaobang [’81 to ’87], who had been removed from power and placed under house arrest. He had been credited with many positive advances economically and freedom-wise in China in 1980’s. He died in april still under house arrest.
Former CIA Operative, Former Director of CIA, Former V.P. – George H.W. Bush was President of USA when “Someone” saw this as a great opportunity to stir up trouble & give black eye to China. From that it followed that on May 8th a new US Ambassador was sent to Beijing …. CIA Operative James Lilley ! And the Color Revolution Specialist Gene Sharp.
The National Endowment for Democracy (NED), Also regime change artists and a George Soros NGO were established in 1988. (They got tossed out of China soon after). And the CCP fellas that let them in Zhao Ziyang was placed under house arrest till he died and his advisor , Chen Zizi, fled to the USA.
Soldiers sent into square were unarmed. You see many pictures and videos of them.
June 4th, Kilometers away from the square – streets were barricaded in Beijing by special people armed with Molotov Cocktails. Wonder where they got the Gas from? And where they learned how to make and use them?] That’s were the violence occurred. Initially buses full of soldiers were ignited. Soldiers hung. There are many photos. About 200 soldiers killed. The APC’s sent to drive thru barriers set on fire. There are photos and videos. People were protecting the soldiers.
That.s where and when soldiers opened fire.
At tiananmen Square the protesters were asked to leave and they did so … peacefully.
I found a page on web that, after a short preamble, copies three very good write up’s on events.
https://www.criticalsocialworkpublishinghouse.com/post/1989-tiananmen-square-student-massacre-was-a-hoax
Also book
The narrative fed to the west was false.
“hoax” —chokdii8888
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I checked out the publishing house you link to including its attached blog posts. The site and publishing house you reference appears, in my assessment, to be a Chinese propoganda site. Not even a very well disguised one at that imo.
1989 was an Annus
Mirabilis of sorts: the year when the Warsaw Pact and USSR began its death throes, when the West won, when historians could claim that the end of history had been reached- with victory for the good guys.
But the Chinese persisted. They resisted. They oppressed and murdered. They co-opted the weak and mercenary and mendacious from the victorious west.
They aid and serve as inspiration to scumbags and Commie fascists types worldwide today.
https://www.allanfavish.com/index.php/communist-china/118-tian-an-men-square-massacre
[This letter to the editor was first published in the Los Angeles Times on June 10, 1989, part II, at page 9. The letter was in response to the Tian An Men massacre by Communist Chinese troops.]
Dear Editor:
Seeing the televised excerpts of demonstrations at the various communist Chinese embassies and consulates throughout the United States, I noticed that the demonstrators appear to be almost exclusively people of Chinese descent. This disturbs me. Although the fight for freedom in communist China is primarily the responsibility of the Chinese people, it is a fight that should be actively supported by all people who cherish freedom.
Personally, I believe that if freedom-loving Chinese citizens are willing to take a bullet in the back at Tian An Men Square, the least I can do is demonstrate in support of their cause in front of the Chinese consulate on a safe street in Los Angeles.
On June 4th I was one of the relatively few Caucasians at the demonstration in front of the Chinese consulate in Los Angeles. A makeshift memorial was assembled consisting of candles, flowers and a makeshift coffin. As I stood near the coffin, a young man of Chinese descent, wearing a black shirt, approached the memorial. On the back of his shirt was the color photograph that appeared on the front page of the Los Angeles Times showing the Goddess of Democracy statue in Tian An Men Square with the large picture of Mao in the background. After leaving a flower near the candles, the young man placed a small American flag on the coffin and quietly walked away.
My eyes were filled with tears.
Well, patriots all. Are you ready to save our nation from tyranny? This could very well be the USA in a few years.
I never saw the pulled back photo of a hundred tanks or the people laying on the pavement. I imagine there are many here that have not seen them either.
I bet there are a lot of photos that people have not seen.
In an article from June 5, 1989, the Wall Street Journal described some of this violence: “Dozens of soldiers were pulled from trucks, severely beaten and left for dead. At an intersection west of the square, the body of a young soldier, who had been beaten to death, was stripped naked and hung from the side of a bus.”
(photo is inappropriate to show here)
Wait, how could the protesters kill so many soldiers? Because, until the very end, Chinese soldiers were unarmed. Most of the times, they didn’t even have helmets or batons.
And not to forget the busses carrying unarmed soldiers which were touched with gasoline bombs.
The story of Tiananmen Square is no “vessel of truth.”
Are you working in tandem with commenter chokdii888 who references https://www.criticalsocialworkpublishinghouse.com?
The site appears to be a Chinese propoganda site in my assessment. Not even subtle about it. That site spews similar Chinese propoganda whitewashing Chinese treatment of the Uyghurs.
https://www.criticalsocialworkpublishinghouse.com/post/1989-tiananmen-square-student-massacre-was-a-hoax
I believe that you are part of an orchestrated CCP effort that shows up wherever people honor and remember the Tiananemen Square massacre in an attempt to rewrite history and smear the heroes of that day.
This accusation is so off based that it is ridiculous and absurd. Either the Wall Street Journal article is there or it isn’t. Even the pictures Sundance posted clearly show that the soldiers are unarmed. So, every picture you like is real, but every other picture is propaganda. I mean, where does it end?
Imagine a foreign country putting up a memorial to Ashli Babbit. Imagine sites like this memorializing her. Imagine commenters having to figure out how to comment without the standard “well they are communists.”
We’ve been watching a Korean TV drama on the local Korean language station that revolves around the May 17 1980 coup and the uprising in Gwangju. I take it as a measure of confidence that the production company was able to deal with this kind of sensitive subject for a commercial product (i.e., not as a documentary). Not on the scale of Tiananmen Square to be sure, but the same concept of military beating hapless civilians senseless.
To be fair, the last photo is deceptive.
In what way?
I thought the photo showed dozens of dead bodies lying on the ground. But if you zoom in, you start to realize that what looks like bodies are actually bicycles. There does appear to be about 7 people lying on the ground, but all of them except for one appear to have their heads up as if they’re docking for cover.
That having been said, I’m not trying to minimize what happened that day. There could be dozens of dead bodies outside the camera shot.
“British ambassador to China Sir Alan Donald wrote a secret diplomatic cable around 24 hours after the massacre, which was only declassified in 2017. The cable reveals stunning information previously unknown to most of the world, and likely, much of the country itself.
According to Donald, at least 10,000 people were killed. One of the Chinese army units was apparently so vicious that the former ambassador described them as “primitives” in the document.
The cable provides a hitherto unprecedented look at what really occurred that day. . . .
Donald’s cable to London described the “atrocities” against several thousand pro-democracy protesters as being undertaken by the 27th Army of Shanxi Province. He called this truculent group of soldiers “60 percent illiterate” and “primitives.”
According to Donald and his trusted source, however, the troops that entered Tiananmen Square prior to the 27th Army were unarmed. This was an initial attempt to disperse the massive group of protesters without violence, as most were students, unarmed, and non-violent.
Unfortunately, this approach rapidly came to an end.
“The 27 Army APCs (armored personnel carriers) opened fire on the crowd before running over them,” Donald wrote in his cable. “APCs ran over troops and civilians at 65kph (40 miles per hour).”
He explained that even though the CCP had provided protestors with a warning, even this small amount of leeway was underhanded, a lie, and viciously broken.
“Students understood they were given one hour to leave square, but after five minutes APCs attacked,” Donald said.
The group of protesters remained steadfast, even in the face of annihilation. Shots rang out, innocents were struck, and people began to die. Nonetheless — there was power in numbers, and solidarity that allowed them to find courage — and thousands joined hands as bullets flew.
“Students linked arms but were mown down,” wrote Donald. “APCs then ran over the bodies time and time again to make, quote ‘pie’ unquote, and remains collected by bulldozer.”
As if this wasn’t atrocious enough, the government’s criminal and brutal activity that day got even worse. With no regard for the families of these victims, not to mention their identities, what was left of them was disposed of — in an unspeakably callous manner.
“Remains incinerated and then hosed down drains,” Donald wrote.
Though it’s remained unclear why exactly the government implemented such horrifically brutal measures on its non-violent population of young students that day (besides the obvious fear of having citizens force nationwide change), the former ambassador’s cable seems to confirm that notion.
According to Donald, the violent attacks stemmed from a substantial portion of China’s State Council that was afraid of civil war breaking out. The nationwide tides seemed to be turning and those in power would certainly not benefit from a freer populous. Thus, clamping down forcefully on any kind of dissent was vital to their interests.
On top of that, the recently declassified cable stated that the 27th Army was called into action that day specifically because of its disregard for anything but orders. The troops were “the most reliable and obedient,” Donald explained.
“27 Army ordered to spare no one,” he wrote. “Wounded girl students begged for their lives but were bayoneted. A three-year-old girl was injured, but her mother was shot as she went to her aid, as were six others.”
The diplomat’s sources also told him that “snipers shot many civilians on balconies, street sweepers etc for target practice.” The declassified document also claimed that this excessive force continued even after the first wave of killings were completed during the Tiananmen Square massacre.
“1,000 survivors were told they could escape but were then mown down by specially prepared MG (machine gun) positions,” wrote Donald. “Army ambulances who attempted to give aid were shot up, as was a Sino-Japanese hospital ambulance.”
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Donald’s now-declassified assessment of the Tiananmen Square massacre and the resulting death toll aligns completely with a confidential U.S. government file reported on in 2014. This document quoted a Chinese military source and said the CCP’s own internal figures estimated the body count to be 10,454 people.
Donald’s cable has since found a new home in the U.K. National Archives. “
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https://allthatsinteresting.com/tiananmen-square-massacre
https://factsanddetails.com/china/cat2/sub7/item77.html
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Photos – victims’ bodies
Bodies of bicyclists bulldozed to side of street
Stacked dead bodies –scroll to halfway down page to reach
https://ciccib.wordpress.com/2013/06/04/today-we-remember-the-massacre-in-tiananmen-square-photos/
Smuggled long hidden photos
https://www.nzz.ch/english/nzz-publishes-long-hidden-photos-of-1989-tiananmen-square-protest-ld.1709973
China says it was a Soros coup…
Of course they do.
If they are going to erase their monstrosities it’s useful to employ the same boogeyman known to afflict countries with his perfidious Derp State ways.
I look forward to the Day when King Jesus Christ returns and wipes all evil governments off the face of the Earth… His Kingdom will be one of True Peace, Justice and Love… and those who refuse to repent and put their Faith in Him, their Creator and True King, will be no more.
” The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.” The Lord shall send the rod of Your strength out of Zion. Rule in the midst of Your enemies!.” -Psalm 110:1-2
“The Lord is at Your right hand; He shall execute kings in the day of His wrath. He shall judge among the nations, He shall fill the places with dead bodies, He shall execute the heads of many countries.” -Psalm 110:5-6
These are not idle threats…. these are not symbolic imagery…. these are not rhetorical devices…. these are prophecies, from God’s own mouth, and they will be fulfilled literally at Christ’s literal 2nd coming… just as Jesus Christ literally fulfilled multiple prophecies during His 1st coming.
We would all do well to remember what He has told us.
Never forget! The CCP, the utopian statists favorite allies.