According to Fox News President Trump is planning a visit to East Palestine, Ohio, next week to show support for the community in the aftermath of a massive toxic chemical spill, the result of a Norfolk Southern railroad derailment.
The East Palestine community and surrounding region are very concerned about the toxic chemicals that were leaked into the environment as a result of the decision to detonate the toxic cargo, and intentionally burn off the chemicals as a form of containment.
Despite state and federal assurances, small streams and rivers have shown major wildlife impacts including dead fish, frogs and other aquatic creatures. In turn, this raises alarms about water and air quality from the chemical release. “Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine requested HHS and CDC assistance on Feb. 16, after being denied aid from the Federal Emergency Management Agency. FEMA told DeWine Ohio isn’t eligible for disaster assistance, even amid the derailment.”
OHIO – Former President Trump will travel to East Palestine, Ohio next week to visit the area and members of the community as they grapple with the aftermath of the train derailment that led to a large release of toxic chemicals, Fox News has learned.
A source familiar with the former president’s plans told Fox News that Trump plans to travel to East Palestine on Wednesday to meet with members of the community. The source said Trump, who announced his 2024 presidential campaign in November, has a strong relationship with the people of Ohio.
Trump’s planned visit comes after a train derailment on Feb. 3, when about 50 cars on a Norfolk Southern Railroad train carrying vinyl chloride derailed in East Palestine, Ohio, a small community that is located along the Ohio-Pennsylvania border.
The company opted to release the gas from the derailed cars, releasing potentially deadly fumes and other dangerous chemicals into the air, to prevent a disastrous explosion. Local residents were told to evacuate the area during the release, but were assured it was safe to return on Feb. 9.
Residents of the East Palestine community have reported severe symptoms from toxins and chemicals that have seeped into the air and waterways since the derailment on Feb. 7. (read more)
The timing of the visit will be good for keeping public awareness of the issue at the forefront. I can well imagine this entire region will need a great deal of long-term support; especially if the railroad begins to soften in its obligations to the community.
We are always wise to look for info from those who suspect deception. I believe we have not been told the truth here. Some startling facts need further discussion, regarding contents of the train cars, why FEMA is not involved, why were train speed limits for hazardous materials (near populated areas) disregarded???
Consider this link:
Not defending the decision to burn off some chemicals….
Who am I kidding? Yes I Am….
There could have been a massive and extremely destructive explosion AND a huge cloud of toxic smoke….
Or just a cloud of toxic smoke…
Not minimizing issues but things could have gone a WHOLE lot worse…
Our atmosphere weighs a billion trillion tons…or so…
The burn is but a tiny speck on a tinier speck….
And avoided a true catastrophe on top of a catastrophe…
My two cents…
So, obviously, you must live there if your telling us it’s not a “true” catastrophe.
This was a momental disaster, but it wasn’t a true catastrophe. A catastrophe would have occured if the tanks had BLEVED. It’s called a Boiling Liquid Expanding Vapor Explosion. It happens when a tank car full of highly flammable material overheats, then explodes into a massive fireball explosion throwing debris up to a mile away and incinerating everything near it. It then continues to the other close to dozen other tanks.
It could have been much worse. As a former firefighter, I’ve watched video of tanks that BLEVED. Results are not good. We’re trained how to avoid the situations and what to do in a situation like they had in Ohio. It wasn’t their first choice, it was the last resort to prevent a much worse situation.
There could have been a massive and extremely destructive explosion AND a huge cloud of toxic smoke….
That was the justification for the controlled burn of chemicals in the trench
They said they were concerned with a particular tanker car (or maybe several) that they felt were in imminent danger of going off in a massive explosion that would send sharpnel a half mile away
So instead, they dug a trench, drained tanker cars into it, and ignited it
Despite the impressiveness of the mushroom cloud, I just today watched footage of ignition of the trench and it was a fairly benign explosion with a quick development of the fiery mushroom cloud with a rising column of fire and black smoke
The way I’ve explained it is that it probably was a loud ‘whoomp’ explosion rather than a catastrophic ‘bang’
So they prevented a contained, pressurized catastrophic explosion and replaced it with a big whoomp and a couple hours of burning trench
Think the difference between
1 — turning on your gas barbeque grill and the igniter switch goes click, click, click, click before it finally catches spark … whoomp; and
2 — sticking a fuse into the propane reservoir tank and setting off the tank … BOOM
Another aspect I’ve mentioned is that that trench burned for quite some time, not sure if it was as much as hours
But any of that chemical load that burned in the trench was a chemical load that didn’t go up in an instant, as it would have if containerized tanker-loads went up all at once … or even several successive individual tanker explosions
Again, the whoomp and lengthy burn of the trench vs the propane tank with a fuse
Take it or leave it, but that was the justification that was offered for the trench burn … believe it or don’t, but I’ve illustrated a few of the mechanics involved in the decision
Good points. A guy did some research and posted the references on a blog. What he found was that burning the polyvinyl chloride was better than letting it evaporate. Evaporation produces deadly gases. Also there was a number of overturned coal hoppers. Burning coal produces thick black smoke.
Problem is we don’t have a news media and get no information. So we are left to our own devices to try to find out facts. And it’s becoming harder and harder to do.
Big question is what is their motivation Not to cover this incident?
it happened on Dribblin’ Joes watch, that’s why they don’t want to cover it
A point to understand…
Polyvinyl Chloride is what to your garden hose or interior/exterior trim on your car may be….
VCM…Vinyl Chloride Monomer is a pressurized gas…meaning a liquid which will flash at atmospheric pressure…
PVC and VCM are not the same thing….
I think they would have been better off to bring in some liquid nitrogen or CO2 to cool down the VCM cars and reduce the pressure inside. Once that was done, they could have pumped them off safely into tank trucks.
There is just no way to “cleanly” burn VCM. All it does is convert one known carcinogen into many dangerous toxins.
You need a dose of reality, dude. Firefighters did a good job.
Keep drinkin the koolaid dude.
Not only did I make VCM for six years…I hauled millions of pounds of liquid nitrogen for eight years plus ran pampers for three years…
And you are right, Kirt
Pumpers….Durn spell uncheck
Or because Black Rock and Vanguard are owners?
polyvinyl chloride is made with vinyl chloride and are two different compositions….
An alternate explanation is that the rail company didn’t want a lengthy and expensive process of draining content tanker by tanker and trucking it away
Of course, they’re still faced with a lengthy and expensive process of dismantling and carting away all those railroad cars that are strewn all over the place
And payin for capture and remediation of contaminant plumes and excavation and aeration or disposal of a lot of soil and subsurface shallow sediment
So I’m not sure a careful draining of the cars would have been such a huge layer of expense
So it really hinges back on their assertion that there was imminent danger of a catastrophic explosion
I think they did what they thought was their best option. And they obviously wanted to do something quickly before the situation got worse. I won’t second guess the experts.
What I want is maximum transparency on what led up to the derailment and what kinds of precautions they take when they are transporting extremely hazardous materials. I would like a detailed explanation of all of that.
What we don’t need is an explanation that basically says, “well, there’s no need to go into how we got here. We just need to deal with the situation as it is, etc.”
I’m sure they are looking at what happened, but they need to share the information. We have a right to know. Coverups (and I’m not saying there is one) breed mistrust.
I was listening to a program last night and one of the guys said that he used to work on the railroad. He said that as the train is rounding curves that it was his job to check out the window for any type of problem with the wheels so he would be going back and forth, between windows on one side and windows on the other side, just checking and checking. He said in that area there was bound to be many such curves so for the wheels to be on fire for 20 miles meant that someone wasn’t paying attention. Maybe they’ve changed the rules since then–he’s probably in his late 60’s.
A controlled ignition and burn was the best option….
Kudos to the incident command and response participants
The next emergency that happens, we will tell them to get a hold of you first.
You know this, how?
I’d like to know who determined one or more of the 20 toxin-filled cars were in danger of explosion. I’d like to know that person’s qualifications.
Because I trust nothing from this government.
Firefighter Incident Commander. Let me help you.
If they had done as they did there would have been a BLEVE. It’s called a Boiling Liquid Expanding Vapor Explosion. It happens when a tank car full of highly flammable material overheats, then explodes into a massive fireball explosion throwing debris up to a mile away and incinerating everything near it. It then continues to the other close to dozen other tanks.
It could have been much worse. As a former firefighter, I’ve watched video of tanks that BLEVED. Results are not good. We’re trained how to avoid the situations and what to do in a situation like they had in Ohio. It wasn’t their first choice, it was the last resort to prevent a much worse situation. There was one and maybe other tanks overheating and getting ready to BLEVE.
And I should believe you why?
Zactly!
Lol…lol…Richard Cranium
And you know this how?
I don’t know if this many train derailments are normal and I don’t know if this is a normal way to deal with spilled chemicals. I know for sure it is NOT NORMAL for the media to ignore stories of plants and (cute) animals harmed by an environmental disaster caused by a corporation. It is also NOT NORMAL for FEMA to say anything ISN’T a federal disaster area.
Just how far are you from Paradise?
FEMA, upon hearing of POtus 45’s plans, announces they have changed their minds that the town doesn’t qualify for their aid.
That’s true leadership, by PDJT.
God bless and PROTECT the real President of the United States of America.
Thank you President Trump!
I just copy/pasted the titles of both pieces you posted tonight, Sundance, and texted them with site coordinates, to our friends in E. Palestine. They have a small farm just outside of town. Their principle business now is breeding dogs – wonderful, beautiful, healthy dogs. I have one of their English Springer Spaniels, who is 20 months old now. She’s the 4th Springer we’ve brought into the family over the years and she is a jewel.
They moved the pregnant dames and the current puppies to another location, but there are some farm animals as well as the other adult dogs still on the premises. These are hard working people and are doing their best to cope by keeping their heads down, taking care of all those who depend on them, and praying that this too shall pass.
Tonight, on air, Jesse Waters called on the big water bottling companies to donate and haul in fresh water in large volume.
Over the years I have questioned, quarreled with, doubted, and raged at the workings of our federal government, but until now – since 3Nov20, I and have never been ashamed of my government. The callousness, on display for the entire world to see, is a game changer.
One of the afternoon programs on Newsmax today did a beautiful tribute to Rush Limbaugh, on this 2nd anniversary of his death. R.I.P. Rush. You are missed more than you can imagine.
Thank you, Sundance, for ALL that you do.
And thank you, President Trump, for all YOU do. PDJT is doing this for all the right reasons, but I cannot help but enjoy the horror and dread that has surely penetrated every corner inside the Beltway tonight.
You present an issue which most take for granted but should most definitely not….
Water.
How many readers here now have ten days worth of potable water?
Ten days worth of food? Medications? Pet food?
My guess…less than ten percent and also guessing that treepers beat the national average.
Amongst my co-workers, best I can tell no one but me even gives a moments thought to any kind of prepping…and I am not a prepper.
I have about 40 gallons of bulk water in a food grade drum which boudain casings came in plus 36 two liter soda bottles full and stacked in milk crates…beans, rice and canned ham and such….
I have four cats plus feed the occasional stray so lots of dry cat food….
One never knows when…my “hurricane” prep has become year round now…
I urge readers to take a few minutes and ask themselves….
“What am I going to do if _____ happens?”
I have a well that’s 320 ft deep. How long would it take for chemicals like these to seep into the aquifer?
Probably not long. One of the scarier things, not to downplay the dangers of dioxin, but once the hydrogen chloride is created from the burning & it combines with the water vapors in the atmosphere, that creates hydrochloric acid. I wasn’t sure I spelled it right, so in double checking, this popped up…
“…Residents were told to evacuate for only three days, and many are questioning if it’s actually safe to return.
Even short exposure to hydrochloric acid can lead to blindness, severe burns, and internal damage – and now, it’s in the air and water in Ohio and Pennsylvania.”
https://wyrk.com/ohios-toxic-rain-cloud-new-york-state/
I couldn’t quickly find the bookmark, and I have collected quite a few, with the more scientific explanation of how might be in one of Mike Adams’ podcasts from this past week. (He usually only does them Monday-Friday.)
From the link below:
“…While vinyl chloride is a precursor chemical to making PVC, any time chlorinated compounds burn there will be dioxins created. And dioxin is a byproduct of any manufacturing process involving chlorine, from “disinfectants” to the bleaching of paper. There was plenty of dioxin in those tanker cars before they caught fire….”
https://planetwavesfm.substack.com/p/palestine-ohio-train-wreck-its-the
From another link:
“…Other toxins like hydrogen chloride were emitted in large plumes of smoke during a controlled release and burn, prompting officials to issue mandatory evacuation orders in a one-mile radius of the crash site.
Another of the substances released was phosgene, a gas deployed as a chemical weapon across First World War battlefields…
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/02/14/health-concerns-grow-as-more-toxic-chemicals-revealed-on-derailed-ohio-train-than-first-made-public/
Wasn’t that dog breeder lady on Tucker recently?
That is what has been missing in this incident, the American way of people showing up and just doing what needs to be done. All the water bottling companies should have automatically been sending water, no one should have to call them out. Same w/food distributers. It is the first time in a long while I not have seen the neighbor helping neighbor thing. Maybe because it is toxic disaster, but other natural disasters can be toxic too.
And yes, RIP Rush.
The peoples’ president ~ always. Thank you, President Trump, for caring.
God bless President Trump!!!
He is a true leader who is motivated by his love of we the people! This is one of the many reasons they hate him! He puts all the leftists to shame. The government and the railroad abandoned these people and lied to them! One mention of his visit and suddenly they are willing to help, only because he embarrassed them. Trump is truly a good person, whereas they are evil incarnate!
MAGA 👊👊🙏🏻🙏🏻🇺🇸🇺🇸
CALLING ON DC….WHERE ARE YOU
Where is Congress and the Senate on this disaster.
NO PROBLEM GIVING MILLIONS TO A COMIC.PORN STAR LEADER IN UKRAINE
CUT THE CRAP AND START HELPING THE AMERICAN S HERE AT HOME
TOTALBS
Where are all these so called environmentalists lecturing us every 5 min. I believe that everything that has happened in the last few years has been intentional. Starting with COVID. Call me a conspiracy theorist. It looks like their main goal is to get rid of as many Citizens as possible and replace them with illegals that they can control.
More confirmation that President Trump really does care about the American people!
sbrgirl, AMEN.
Rumors are flying that Eagles are now being found dead in and around the area. Not sure why THAT hurt me the most. Maybe because it symbolizes America. Who knows. I just know we are in a fight for our lives and our freedom, but not sure exactly what to do about it except just pray and then pray some more.
Our Precious Eagles, fish, chickens, hens, wnt about livestock, dogs, etc. people hv no where to go and no help. I didn’t think I could detest Biden or Harris anymore but now this. Pray and pray is wnt we are doing but it is getting to the point tht all is lost. The Evil is deep
I wonder if Trump will draw a huge crowd when he makes his visit to East Palestine? And I wonder if “Brandon” will now shuffle there because Trump is going. Do not forget that Brandon refused to help or give them aid during this nightmare.
I heard that FEMA is NOW making a visit after ignoring the whole traumatic ordeal for weeks. (surprise, surprise) wow, maybe the Butaguy will make a surprise visit too.
All while those unfortunate people in East Palestine are going half-crazy trying to figure out what to do now that their safe haven, their homes, their sanity has been torched and contaminated.
And all I can do is watch and pray.
So…why is most the media not covering this? If this was going on under Trump, or any other Republican President, the media would be all over this, especially because of the environmental impact. I thought they were so concerned about our environment? I guess not. They are hypocrites and we know they are liars. So they are covering for this regime and they don’t really care about the environment, just the power, money and control they can acquire through this climate change hoax they claim to care so much about. If There really were climate issues and they really cared about the environment…they would be on the story…and FEMA wouldn’t have had to be kicked in the ass to get to Palestine by a former President that obviously has more clout than the bafoon in the White House! Who by the way…seems to be going down like the balloons they just shot down…which might have been “hobby balloons!” What fools this administration is!
Dave, I am surprised you ask why the main media was not covering this. You know that the main stream media is in lockstep with the Cabal and the Globalist. right? But You are so right about them being liars and that the clown in the white house is a joke who ..LOL… shoots down hobby lobby boy scout balloons. blessings to you.
The narrative on this has been weird from the beginning
Both the squelching silence of the MSM and the alternative media pushing EXPLOSION without the context of a Burn off. So it’s back, truth manipulation to create drama, not from the MSM, but the ‘Truthers.’ Who to believe?
Are the owners really Black Rock etc? Was it usual to mix non and toxic cars, so safety controls would not be in place? Was EP OH the intended place of the ‘Burn Off’ or was an Explosion meant to occur earlier or later along the line? Why mention ‘went through’ Cleveland OH if it didn’t stop?
Was the capture of Project Veritas the end of the Truther Movement?
I read this week that the CDC put out a notice two weeks ago changing the maximum safety level of vinyl chloride in the air, from 10,000 ppm to 100,000 ppm. Is this true? Is there a link available?
Welcome president Trump we love you come here Ohio,
I hope Melania comes with him and I hope he rolls into town wiht
a huge tractor trailer truck full of bottled water.
While the folks in this region may have avoided one type of catastrophe, it will be a while yet before it is known whether or not another form of catastrophe is looming
The dead wildlife in the creeks and the different chemical sheens that appear on the creek water’s surface when the underlying sediment is disturbed, well downstream from the disturbance, is very concerning
Truth needs to be sorted from fiction as well and once Biden’s crowd gets into it, it will be considerably more difficult to sort
Reading thru this thread shocked me. I cant believe some say that burning Vinyl Chloride was the right thing to do.
That is crazy.
Burning VC and plastics gives off large amounts of Dioxins. That is why plastic is not burned. It is recycled or buried. It is why backyard burning of trash is banned most everywhere that has half of a brain cell.
Dioxins settle on the crops and in our waterways and soil, where they eventually enter into our food and hence our bodies These Dioxins are the lethal persistent organic pollutants.
This insane burning of all those chemicals could be the largest chemical disaster ever. Agent Orange, the defoliant used in Vietnam, Love Canal, NY, Times Beach, MO. Looks those up and see the effect of Dioxins. Inform yourself of what Dioxins do, and did to our environment, and to the human body.
This disaster could affect the health of 10 of millions of people. If I lived in that town I would never go back.
If you think that they did the right thing burning that poison. Keep drinking the Koolaid.